Snap Nova was great.
#h1-builds-and-combat
main citrus
Zag sword still better than Nemesis :v
cunning urchin
The potential was amazing.
small stirrup
For snap?
cunning urchin
Yes, for Snap Nova.
cunning urchin
S tier hammer that I think only @neon bramble and I ever truly appreciated.
dawn solar
Oh crap sorry!
small stirrup
Nah its chill
magic dagger
It's been like a week right?
not really any more of a spoiler than the other secret aspects by now I think
cunning urchin
I've legit just started calling all the 4th aspects "shield 4" etc. now that there are so many new players.
Unless it's the high heat channel.
magic dagger
anybody spoiled by that is also gonna be spoiled by sword, rail etc.
small stirrup
cunning urchin
main citrus
Hades vs Hades fight
magic dagger
ah, foxhope
that reminds me that I still need to make the Do More Runs thing
main citrus
I feel it's underwhelming. You usually get the bang of the fist's attack via status stacking.
dry ember
whow mods truly are asleep huh xD
small stirrup
Damn
ionic kettle
i dont like that its so slow
small stirrup
You think we can spam the swear filter and they won't notice?
NOT that I was gonna try
pallid dagger
....noooooot sure i'm into the gilgamesh aspect
magic dagger
You think we can spam the swear filter and they won't notice?
@small stirrup I'll Notice.
as will the champion
small stirrup
What will you do? 
main citrus
I got the hidden aspects to the final boss and then went back to my favorite aspects. So far I only run Arthur now lol
pallid dagger
it's not just that it's yet more big-but-slow stuff
it feels a bit heavy on the mathematics
main citrus
I'll probably try to main Rama as well, but the slow shot is taking its toll on me >>
small stirrup
Ah shades
cunning urchin
it's +5 damage for each consecutive hit right?
It only applies to the 5-hit combo, and it resets after the combo.
magic dagger
I'll probably try to main Rama as well, but the slow shot is taking its toll on me >>
just dash-strike at point blank and don't bother with powershots
small stirrup
Just unbind m1 for rama
cunning urchin
So it adds 0+5+10+15+20 damage for a total of 50 damage in a combo.
magic dagger
it's good with twin shot, and if you also take explosive shot you have a melee build
magic dagger
50 damage is actually horrible lol
small stirrup
Jeez explosive on rama was absolute hell when it dropped
proven sierra
well it's not exactly that
it's to the base damage
so, let's say you have a chaos boon that increases attack power 50%
and an athena boon that increases it by 75%
magic dagger
ah
pallid dagger
you think we can convince supergiant to just put the special feature on the regular upper?
proven sierra
that all applies to the +5/10/15/20
magic dagger
that's significantly less horrible
proven sierra
it still feels not the best though
small stirrup
Are you running fists?
But yes ME is pretty good
It got nerfed but is still viable
pallid dagger
i am running the gilgamesh fists.
do i have to use the attack that initiates doom, then use the ability that deflects?
main citrus
Merciful End + Dire Misfortune + Max Athena Aid must be a treat to use
pallid dagger
i'm so sluggish with this on that that might not work
main citrus
Just facetank the boss and let the doom stack
pallid dagger
i do have Dire Misfortune!
magic dagger
merciful end does not make deflect attacks inflict doom
it makes them proc doom effects
so you hit with a doom attack, then a deflect attack
doom goes off instantly with some bonus damage
pallid dagger
yeah, i can see why that would work on other fist aspects
main citrus
Ahh, it just makes it proc faster
Been a while since I got that one, to be honest. I don't run Ares that often without Artemis >>
proven sierra
i keep running gilgamesh and hoping for Epic hermes +dash bonus plus a good dash boon
i keep getting one but not the other
😢
pallid dagger
i feel like supergiant blocked off certain boons like "swift strike" when using the slow final aspects.
in which case, eat me, i was having fun >B[
main citrus
I found Dio Dash works pretty well with the alternate gloves.
Since you'll proc the stacks fast
pallid dagger
i certainly never got flurry shot with rama, which is regret incarnate
cunning urchin
You think we can spam the swear filter and they won't notice?
NOT that I was gonna try
@small stirrup I shall make you eat those careless, inappropriate remarks! Come, @magic dagger, to war!
🔫
proven sierra
@pallid dagger i've gotten swift strike with Excalibur at least 3 timse
small stirrup
OH NO
pallid dagger
....what rarity....
white swan
Finally maxed out my aspect of chaos. Any fun builds you guys recommend?
pallid dagger
ooooh!
proven osprey
Damn, I picked fists and every single boon of Zeus could offer (got splitting bolt too). It is SUPER strong
pallid dagger
aphrodite or sea storm
chaos aspect on the shield is wonderful
small stirrup
HAVE AT THEEE
pallid dagger
i saw they un-nerfed it, too!
main citrus
Chaos Shield? Sea Storm + Charged Shot
desert nacelle
Was going to do Zeus railgun run, got 2 zeus boons and 8 Athena's boons
white swan
so poseidon special or zeus special?
main citrus
And put some benefical stuff in your special to spread it around.
pallid dagger
poseidon special, plus some zeus ability to make the sea storm duo show up
cunning urchin
Naught but a scratch!
pallid dagger
after they starfished the chaos shield i thought they'd never go back. but they did.
❤️ ❤️ ❤️
white swan
I've tried poseidon special on chaos shield before and it felt kinda underwhelming but i'll give it another shot
small stirrup
Dammit
main citrus
If you get the hammer upgrade that makes the special bounce more, better
pallid dagger
nah ah
small stirrup
You have invoked my secret weapon
pallid dagger
the hammer upgrade that does that is incompatible with chaos
still very strong though
main citrus
Try Poseidon Attack on any shield, but with Charged Shot. If you get the faster BUll Rush as well, GG
🔪
magic dagger
🪓 🐄
cunning urchin
🔫 Your foolish attempts shall get you nowhere!
worldly trellis
Thoughts on excalibur? I've got 3 blood and looking for something interesting
pallid dagger
it needs a lot of practice to work
cunning urchin
@worldly trellis it's gud.
pallid dagger
look at something more viable
cunning urchin
That cheering's not for you, monster!
worldly trellis
teach me your ways
cunning urchin
Nothing like battling before an audience!
desert nacelle
@worldly trellis copy the image link
stable grotto
I keep getting "incidentially" hit on the final boss
magic dagger
you're quick.
stable grotto
I dodge an attack and he lines up his attack perfectly to hit me
cunning urchin
@small stirrup you should have stayed down in the depths of hell. 🔫
stable grotto
or ill go and doge backwards through his 360 swipe and it still hits him after dashing twice
proven sierra
i am giving up on finding Epic Hermes "Dash more times" while running Gilgamesh
it just won't happen
cunning urchin
boom goes the bomb
cunning urchin
💣
magic dagger
the hive cluster is under attack
cunning urchin
🎆
small stirrup
BLOOD AND DARKNESS AHHHHHHH
marsh dawn
Is butterfly additive like most damage increases?
cunning urchin
@marsh dawn yes.
pallid dagger
flat damage upgrade across the board
marsh dawn
And you lose it if you change keepsakes yeah?
magic dagger
yes, but it applies to all damage iirc
small stirrup
🛡️ 
acoustic venture
Does Charged Volley not appear on Rama?
magic dagger
so that's pretty good until you remove it in styx for the acorn
cunning urchin
@small stirrup you had no chance against the Champion. 👸🏽
small stirrup
I CAN STILL FIGHT
acoustic venture
been fishing for it for fated list and not finding it
marsh dawn
Yeah, butterfly would make elysium easier for sure
acoustic venture
or is it just Chiron that it doesnt show up on
small stirrup
Chiron isn't in the game as an npc
limber flax
oops
marsh dawn
Probably best to stick with Pom. So consistent.
acoustic venture
Chiron isn't in the game as an npc
@small stirrup Apect of Chiron
acoustic venture
Concentraded
pallid dagger
concentrated knuckle
limber flax
fist boon
ashen ginkgo
depends on what you want to do imo
pallid dagger
i tried both the others and they....didn't work well.
limber flax
okay
pallid dagger
it does that sometimes
ashen ginkgo
random chance to happen
next moss
Cool 😄
pallid dagger
@ merciful end crowd, are there any specific builds you'd recommend for the fists?
magic dagger
ares attack athena special athena dash
marsh dawn
You can also get diamonds from Poseidon bounty @pallid dagger
magic dagger
don't use your special
pallid dagger
no kidding?
marsh dawn
Yep. 0.5% chance I think
cunning urchin
Err... don't you already know the answer when you're asking the ME crowd?
Build is ME.
pallid dagger
no? I don't think I've ever intentionally tried to get Merciful End before
cunning urchin
Oh.
pallid dagger
it was an accident this time
cunning urchin
ME melee builds are really all Curse of Agony + Divine Dash.
Then get Merciful End, and just spam Dash-Strike.
small stirrup
Pretty much
cunning urchin
But Divine Dash doesn't work as a requirement for ME anymore.
That's why you need to throw in Divine Flourish to unlock it.
Divine Dash will strill trigger it, though, so you never actually need to use the Flourish.
magic dagger
all right
1 dash
epic dio attack, epic curse of pain, athena dash
curse of nausea and merciful end
is this a good idea
cunning urchin
Honestly, I think it's kinda stupid that the way you use the build hasn't changed at all, but you need to add a boon that you don't intend to use at all to unlock ME? It's just weird idk.
small stirrup
Ikr?
I was still under the assumption that divine dash counted and was so confused when I wasn't getting it
cunning urchin
It's like if for Smoldering Air, you now need a Cast boon.
cunning urchin
I'm saying it's like if that was the case lol.
magic dagger
exactly
that would be horribles
cunning urchin
It makes no sense.
small stirrup
Oh lmao
pallid dagger
anyone know if maim stacks?
worn sand
How does Demeter's boon Ravenous Will (deal more dmg/take less dmg when you have 0 cast charges) stack with the 4th shield aspect's cast? If you load up all your cast charges, do you get the bonus dmg on all of them when released?
small stirrup
Nope @pallid dagger
worn sand
or is it only when they are lying on the ground
magic dagger
the only purpose to it was to add a step to getting the build
hazy slate
what boons go well with sword's hidden aspect?
magic dagger
not sure @worn sand
fastest way to find out would be to test it yourself
arti attack
shadow slash
covert cargo
It feels like Athena's dash beats out all the others simply because it deflects
small stirrup
I think I switch between Athena, Ares or Arty on my dash
cunning urchin
It feels like Athena's dash beats out all the others simply because it deflects
That's exactly it.
It's true the first time you try to beat the game.
It's true for many speedruns.
vague ledge
Am I the only one who thinks that second phase final boss is way easier that the first phase?
cunning urchin
It's true on the highest heats.
I think it's the common concensus that phase 2 is easier.
small stirrup
@proven sierra ||I'm sorry Phase 4?(from #hades-feedback ||
pallid dagger
anyone know any boons that affect Maim? would that be dash attack boons, flourish boons, etc.?
small stirrup
Any form of damage affects Maim?
cunning urchin
But it can get more difficult than phase 1 if you have HS + DC2 and stuff enabled and you don't have a lot of practice in the fight.
marsh dawn
Divine dash is so good because is allows you to dash attack and keep your iframes
mighty ermine
maim damage itself is a static, flat value affected only by weapon upgrades
cunning urchin
Divine dash is so good because is allows you to dash attack and keep your iframes
That's not true. It doesn't do that.
pallid dagger
well.............................i see.
no no no no supergiant this is not going to work
marsh dawn
It’s the only dash that stops me from taking damage mid dash though?
cunning urchin
It's a common misconception that Deflect somehow gives you i-frames. It doesn't.
marsh dawn
Well, mid dash-attack
cunning urchin
Yeah, it can do that. But it's not i-frames.
ashen ginkgo
every dash has iframes, they just go away the instant you start to attack
marsh dawn
The deflect persists though
ashen ginkgo
far longer than the iframes yes
cunning urchin
It's just that Deflected attacks can't hurt you. But you need to deflect an attack without that attack touching your hurtbox.
rugged oyster
okay, crush shot and blown kiss both at epic rarity in tartarus should be illegal
cunning urchin
So you can still get hit out of Divine Dash if you Dash-Strike.
worldly trellis
YO, piercing attacks penetrate shields??? that is godly
ashen ginkgo
i like to just slightly delay my dash attacks so that i get through most/all of the i-frames and barely lose any time
marsh dawn
So why does divine dash feel so much safer compared to every other dash? I feel invincible dash attacking with sword if I have divine dash.
rugged oyster
So why does divine dash feel so much safer compared to every other dash? I feel invincible dash attacking with sword if I have divine dash.
@marsh dawn because its overtuned 🙂 fr tho, the deflect is incredibly easy to execute on the dash and it also has offence
hard holly
Was there an update?
pallid dagger
divine dash lets you surf the chaos of battle a lot more easily.
you can speed across the field without catching a hundred stray bullets from witches and dracons and satyrs and numbskulls
worn sand
because you dont feel irrationally scared of dodging into attacks/projectiles
ashen ginkgo
that's because the deflect of divine dash starts at the very beginning as far as i can tell, and normal dashes only have i-frames for a few frames around halfway through the dash
marsh dawn
I mean, if you lose the iframes like every other dash... it should feel the same.
pallid dagger
it's not overpowered it just takes a lot of weight off of you
rugged oyster
compared to athenas other boons its nuts
ashen ginkgo
yeah, imo that's easily the best dash in the game
i don't even see much use out of any dash that isn't athena's or artemis'
rugged oyster
athena has a rarer boon called "holy shield" which is just a much worse version of divine dash where you need to get hit and it barely lasts longer
marsh dawn
Poseidon’s has use as well.
cunning urchin
Well, because Divine Dash can completely negate attacks when you empty dash that would otherwise perhaps hit you on dash recovery, it can deflect some attacks that would otherwise hit you, and it easily protects you from pretty much all projectiles.
rugged oyster
poseidons dash is great, and so is aphro's if you have a weak build
cunning urchin
Deflect damage can also be very high.
ashen ginkgo
i just don't like the knockaway effect of poseidon's most of the time, i'll take it on bow/spear/rail sometimes but i like to be up in their face a lot
rugged oyster
yeah deflect damage is nuts its crazy to me that ontop of deflecting attacks the dash boon ALSO gives damage
ashen ginkgo
yeah, if you have deflect against any projectile user it's crazy
worn sand
Epic poseidon dash with +3 dashes from hermes is a loooooooot of fun
pallid dagger
poseidon's is the second best because it's so big
rugged oyster
it removes any form of thought when dashing, you dash into danger and are rewarded with invincibility on recover
💦
pallid dagger
and with knockback, nothing will get close enough to hit inbetween taking damage
rugged oyster
with melee weapons, poseidon's dash is amazing, you get to slap people into walls for mega damage
marsh dawn
It removes basically all risk. Fighting redacted with sword is a total joke on heat 12 if you have divine dash
pallid dagger
not only is it godlike but the other two are....blegh
limber flax
okay
ashen ginkgo
i power shot all the time so i usually don't take it
rugged oyster
concentrated volly is good if youhave upgraded chiron
ashen ginkgo
if you have chiron bow i love taking concentrated volley
cunning urchin
He's kinda a joke anyway at 12 Heat if you have 2 dashes or more—Divine or not.
rugged oyster
powershot is the bows flavour and removing it makes it a worse exagryph (that was hyperbole but stull)
ashen ginkgo
triple shot isn't bad either imo
worldly trellis
time for thesius with no DDs, yaaaaaaayyyy...
rugged oyster
:^) good luck
marsh dawn
Yeah, but I’d usually take a fair amount of damage with other dashes.
cunning urchin
Anyway, Divine Dash is easily the best Dash in any build. The only Dash that in rare cases rivals it would be Hunter Dash for the massive DPS boost it can give.
marsh dawn
True. I’ll leave it at that.
proven sierra
favorite daedalus upgrades for Aspect of Hera?
more to the point: chain shot or explosive shot?
rugged oyster
is there any way to increase the chances of finding a deadalus?
marsh dawn
Nope
pallid dagger
nope. i kept yelling "hephaestus boon!" but no one listened.
marsh dawn
I guess rerolling gold laurels
ashen ginkgo
i don't think so, you can only get 2 hammer upgrades per run and one anvil
proven sierra
One of the mirror upgrades
rugged oyster
im tryna get shotgun on aspect of hestia (exagryph)
proven sierra
oh, you can increase rates of hammer but you cannot get more than 2
(or 3 if you count the anvil)
marsh dawn
Rerolling is the only way I’d guess
worldly trellis
acorn saved my life with 13 hp
rugged oyster
okay thanks ladies
marsh dawn
And go back to common boons
rugged oyster
i think i already am but ill check
pallid dagger
alright
ashen ginkgo
personally i take the run rewards more frequently because i almost always try to force the game to give me a duo
pallid dagger
I am going to give Gilgamesh a shot on my usual heat, once, just to give it a fair chance.
then if I'm not swayed I am going into the feedback channel and posting something rational but annoyed that will in all likelihood go unheard.
marsh dawn
This is the Way.
covert hatch
I might give ||EM4|| another shot tonight, what do y'all suggest for a weapon/mirror setup
ashen ginkgo
||em4 was super scary first fight not gonna lie|| good luck
cunning urchin
You are guaranteed to see 2 hammers before the Temple of Styx.
So there's no need to increase the odds.
marsh dawn
Guaranteed?
cunning urchin
Yes.
rugged oyster
kinda love how i suggested posible routes to nerf athena dash IF sgg wanted to and literally everyone hated it even though it would retain its ability to deflect melee and ranged attacks
magic dagger
You are guaranteed to see 2 hammers before the Temple of Styx.
@cunning urchin not quite
marsh dawn
Does shop count as guaranteed?
ashen ginkgo
i think if you removed the damage on divine dash it would STILL be the best one
rugged oyster
most times i feel like i get one first elysium chamber
cunning urchin
You probably skipped some without seeing it. It's especially easy to skip chambers in Asphodel.
covert hatch
But hunter dash big damage tho
ashen ginkgo
tru
rugged oyster
i think if you removed the damage on divine dash it would STILL be the best one
@ashen ginkgo exactly, a hit to its power does not mean it becomes obsolete. its just unhealty for other boons if you realistically should only take 1
it just does soooo much
marsh dawn
Divine would be worth taking if you removed reflect damage as well, it just wouldn’t be the always choice
ashen ginkgo
yeah, oh, it sould have a short cooldown on the deflect on divine dash, like only once per second so you can't literally become invincible by dashing multiple times
rugged oyster
there are just too many ways that it's super strong, its nearly impossible to lose, and its the least satisfying deflect imo
ashen ginkgo
yup
cunning urchin
I'd rather they just buff the other dashes.
ashen ginkgo
^i'd agree with that
marsh dawn
Yeah. Think I’ve won every time I’ve taken divine dash.
bronze sorrel
Is there any practical use for ||Sigil of the Dead||?
rugged oyster
2 words, power creep. you dont want everything OP trust
cunning urchin
I dunno, if you think it's impossible to lose with Divine Dash, increase the heat.
marsh dawn
Meme runs @bronze sorrel
marsh dawn
I don’t need to increase the heat over my bounties. I’ll get there in time.
rugged oyster
it's unbalanced.
bronze sorrel
its fine
ashen ginkgo
@bronze sorrel ||look at the buff the call gives you, it's a pretty big damage buff and a get out of jail free card with the invisibility/invincibility||
rugged oyster
its fine to be a little stronger but you're picking for flavor if you dont take it
ive taken it 3 times and it removes the challenge, just gives a tiny hit of dopamine when i deflect a melee attack with it
cunning urchin
Divine Dash nerf would hit melee a lot.
bronze sorrel
There are definitely builds where I'd rather have Hunter's Dash or Splash Dash
cunning urchin
Like I said, increase the heat if it removes the challenge for you.
rugged oyster
poseidon does the same thing for melee honestly
marsh dawn
Splash dash. I like that. Is that the actual name?
rugged oyster
i cant increase the heat mid run just cos i get an op boon
ashen ginkgo
*decrease
analog sail
If most other dashes had the same on hit effect as divine dash plus their current effect it would already be enough. The status (or knockback) is what you use dash for anyway.
worldly trellis
poseidon doesnt let you ignore ranged attackers
bronze sorrel
@bronze sorrel ||look at the buff the call gives you, it's a pretty big damage buff and a get out of jail free card with the invisibility/invincibility||
@ashen ginkgo
||There's a damage buff?||
magic dagger
yep
rugged oyster
poseidon doesnt let you ignore ranged attackers
@worldly trellis you shouldnt really get to ignore them
ashen ginkgo
@bronze sorrel ||yup, when you go invisible it gives you up to a +75% damage buff on your next attack, the greater call makes you fully invincible with a perma buff to damage for like 7 seconds||
cunning urchin
It's not OP. If it was OP, people would be sailing through 40+ Heat just because of Divine Dash. That's not what's happening.
marsh dawn
Honestly every other dash would be good if the damage effects they had destroyed projectiles.
rugged oyster
that's the point of heat.
cunning urchin
It's incredibly easy to force Divine Dash in Tartarus or Asphodel.
rugged oyster
your idea of balance should not be "well people lose when the game is at its hardest" but to each their own
worldly trellis
I don't think you should get to ignore them either I'm just saying poseidon dash doesnt do the same thing for melees as athena dash
rugged oyster
still a testament to athena dash that you get to deflect melee and ignore ranged
cunning urchin
I don't think your idea of balance should come from doing 3 runs with a boon.
analog sail
Well Nyaanyaa would you use literally any other dash rather than divine or hunter given thr option?
proven sierra
Poseidon dash is really good
magic dagger
flurry shot is pretty nice
marsh dawn
Flurry is great with Artemis attack
magic dagger
but
rugged oyster
I don't think your idea of balance should come from doing 3 runs with a boon.
@cunning urchin i respect it
magic dagger
you have brought swears from the bowels of hell
limber flax
i have flurry shot with poseidon pushing away and explosions on wallslam from poseiden
that seems pretty goot with flurry shot
rugged oyster
poseidon dash is so fun, wallslam and rupture make it such a good dps dash
cunning urchin
I already said Divine Dash is the best Dash. That doesn't mean it's OP. The problem is most of the others matter so little you don't even notice the difference if you sell them.
ashen ginkgo
^
proven sierra
Divine Dash is the best universal dash. Other dashes are better depending on builds - IE Ares and Posedion have a lot of potential if built around
small stirrup
As you should
proven sierra
but Divine will be good on any build
marsh dawn
It’s universal, yep.
bronze sorrel
Ya, I'd like to see a buff or rework for Drunken Dash esp. I never find myself taking that
rugged oyster
i just feel like other dashes should be fair choices without boons that give them 2 extra effects. nonetheless there will be standout boon choices in every category
bronze sorrel
its not even good hangover damage
ashen ginkgo
I'll agree other dashes have their uses, i don't think there's a thing as a useless boon, but yeah the other dashes really need buffed for me to consider running them more frequently
marsh dawn
If they made Divine Dash require another boon for melee deflect it would be more balanced.
analog sail
I guess it's a matter of perspective, cause that sounds like Divine dash is literally the only option and that would make it nerf worthy or reason to buff all othet dashes depending on how you look at it
rugged oyster
^ it should not be as good as it is at common rarity with no levels
pallid dagger
if supergiant nerfs divine dash because y'all went too hard on it i am holding all of you very responsible
ashen ginkgo
i feel like SGG was afraid that if they put too much power into dashes that you could to a run where you literally just dash around 24/7, that may be the reason most of the other dashes are super lackluster
marsh dawn
You can do that
small stirrup
Someone did do a dash only Hades fight
rugged oyster
I guess it's a matter of perspective, cause that sounds like Divine dash is literally the only option and that would make it nerf worthy or reason to buff all othet dashes depending on how you look at it
@analog sail it all really just comes down to the build i guess. i used to think Zeus was a trash filler god but then i got lucifer and felt like i was cheating
analog sail
I feel like that for Poseidon and I have yet to be proven wrong on any weapon that isn't bow
rugged oyster
and really at the end of the day this isnt a pvp game and balance isnt really something to be strived for neccesarily
player choice guides the power of builds so it'd be really hard to balance
pallid dagger
no. you are not.
rugged oyster
i want to disagree
marsh dawn
Strong stuff is fun to use.
bronze sorrel
why would you hate hermes?
rugged oyster
side hustle is good but his attackspeed/special speed boons SUCK unless they're epic
and they cant be upgraded
so like
bronze sorrel
Hermes' boons are great
marsh dawn
Extra dashes are always nice
marsh dawn
That 10% dodge can save a run
limber flax
cool
rugged oyster
hermes is an all rounder, the dashes ar elovely, dodge chance and Cast cooldown things are good but he has so much filler and low rank boons feel like they have no impact
cunning urchin
Swift Strike and Swift Flourish are always amazing for Attack or Special builds, respectively.
Side Hustle is bottom tier.
pallid dagger
Swift Strike and Dodge chance are amazing.
Everything else...............................leave him in the bin.
rugged oyster
if i get side hustle early and a pauper chaos boon, yummy
proven sierra
Build specific, Grimmjow.
marsh dawn
Instant cast return can make cast builds infinitely better as well.
proven sierra
Quick Reload/Bad News/Auto Recall are incredible on cast builds
pallid dagger
yeah yeah i know
bronze sorrel
So, one thing with hermes is that like chaos, you can't Pom his boons, which means you can safely take them without risking not getting your poms on your core boons.
proven sierra
Most Hermes boons combine really well with "bonus damage based on move speed"
pallid dagger
his boon list is just full of general filler
analog sail
Why does everyone not like side hustle, it pays for itself and then some
analog sail
I guess I don't run CF often
marsh dawn
Because side hustle in Styx is a slap in the face
proven sierra
VERY good
rugged oyster
i just wish swift strike/flourish felt impactful at the earlier boon levels because attackspeed is one of my favourite things to max out
proven sierra
what? flyinx you get bonus gold every mini chamber at Styx
no slap
very good
styx is at its best
rugged oyster
Because side hustle in Styx is a slap in the face
@marsh dawn the point of it (imo) is to be stacked by styx
ashen ginkgo
i usually only take side hustle if i get it super early in asphodel or somehow in tartarus, AND he isn't giving me the other boons i wanted
cunning urchin
It doesn't pay for itself really. His boons are worth 500 obols, way more than that with Convenience Fee at 1 or 2.
rugged oyster
HAHA
pallid dagger
wait
maim could probably be affected by peer pressure.............right?
.....eh, who am i kidding
marsh dawn
Peer pressure is top tier imo
analog sail
His boons at Styx are empowered, usually they cost as much as a normal boon
pallid dagger
i need something that synergizes well with slow attacks
i never know what to look for with that.
bronze sorrel
Herme's boons are only at 500 obols in Styx. They're base 150 everywhere else
analog sail
Weak and doom
pallid dagger
already did doom, will have words on that later
analog sail
Also you can run demeter and just spam special, the normal special hits twice so it's not bad for stacking
proven sierra
@analog sail around these parts we call that "love and war"
analog sail
No that's the duo
proven sierra
that's "Curse of Longing"
building around weak and doom together imo is a "Love and War" strat, of which Curse of Longing is the culmination
analog sail
I think I can count the amount of times I have used that combo on one hand
I didn't know it was popular
cunning urchin
I don't care what the price anywhere else is. The point is that you can only get 2 boons him from before the Temple of Styx. Taking 1 boon away from that means you're paying 500+ to have 2 boons from him that actually do anything. And there's the risk he doesn't show up in the Temple, and you will only have one boon from him.
pallid dagger
i maintain that Ares is a generally poor asset. almost everything that feels good to use when it comes to him involves fixing a weakness his boon builds has.
cunning urchin
It's really just a choice when his other boons do nothing for your build somehow.
But if it wasn't in the boon pool, you wouldn't be in that situation in the first place.
proven sierra
is it really only possible to find Hermes twice before Styx? I could swear I've done more than that before.
cunning urchin
Yes.
proven sierra
huh
analog sail
I would personally be fine if I had just side hustle. It's that good to me.
Would never take it in Styx of course.
I suppose we just have radically different playstyles and mine really enjoys having a lot of gold.
proven sierra
Ares and Zeus are poor assets as one-offs, generally speaking. But if you get 3-4 of their boons that synergize with themselves they really pop off
cunning urchin
You can see him more, I think, if you skip him. You can't have 2 boons from him before the Temple of Styx.
pallid dagger
you can get two hermes boons and two dedalus hammers maximum. Whichever one you don't get two of will show up on Charon's endgame shop. If you already have two of both, the usual spot will be occupied by a "dedalus anvil" that drops your first two upgrades and gives you two new ones.
analog sail
Zeus is generally good on some weapons and really needs help on others
proven sierra
ah, the hammer rule. got it
cunning urchin
You can see a 3rd boon from Lord Hermes in the Temple shop.
I.e., you can have 3 boons from him.
One of his legendaries requires 2 boons from him, after all.
pallid dagger
oh yeah, that's right
analog sail
Ares heavily depends on what kind of build you're going for and if you can get dire misfortune.
cunning urchin
Dire Misfortune is kind of irrelevant. 
analog sail
It's basically zeus lite and makes Doom a viable thing to do if you use that attack more than once every 2 seconds
magic dagger
tailesque! 👋
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony ore Curse of Pain damage is perfectly sufficient for TD3. Merciful End seals the run. His t2 Doom boons are kind of irrelevant.
They're just some sparkles on top that you don't really need and that don't really change much.
mighty ermine
@cunning urchin greater recall and bad news only require one prereq boon each, aside from lambent plume which overrides even that step
analog sail
In a world where you always get the duo, sure, but I don't always get the duo
mighty ermine
hey lysol 
small stirrup
It's easy to force ME.
I did not read that correctly...
analog sail
Same man
teal wren
how's it easy?
analog sail
The prerequisites are very low
pallid dagger
it's not easy to force any duo, no matter the prerequisites
small stirrup
I agree Nyaan it's really hard to force you 😔
pallid dagger
you can spend all day getting nothing but boons from two gods and the duo will never show up
same with legendaries
cunning urchin
It's really easy to force any Duo.
small stirrup
Agreed ^
cunning urchin
I get Smoldering Air practically every run if I want it.
magic dagger
you just have to know prereqs and not have AP2
cunning urchin
@mighty ermine you're right, I thought Greater Call needed both Flurry Cast and Quick Reload instead of just either of them. I don't do cast builds. 
analog sail
I regularly end runs with 3-4 duos so I can't argue with Nyaanyaa here
mighty ermine
unless AP2 forces it away again 
pallid dagger
you can only get three boons at a time. most gods have fifteen boons to speak of before duo boons come into play. the chances are low, and you can't change those.
teal wren
im 115 runs in and yet to get every duo boon >.>
pallid dagger
there are only 30-odd rooms in any run.
teal wren
still missing some 6-8
mighty ermine
yeah i think i've gotten each of hermes legendaries only twice ever, maximum
magic dagger
you can only get three boons at a time. most gods have fifteen boons to speak of before duo boons come into play. the chances are low, and you can't change those.
@pallid dagger you can, actually
miniboss chambers, yarn, and the nectar from eurydice make duos more common
proven sierra
I was missing two duos until my 80th/90th runs
pallid dagger
.........................no they don't?
pallid dagger
i don't know about miniboss chambers but yarn and nectar only increase rarity.
there's nothing that says you can't get any of all fifteen boons at epic level, sure...
proven sierra
i was under the impression yarn and nectar only increase to epic, not heroic and not legendary/duo
teal wren
huh yarn affects duo chance? that would explain why I have trouble getting those
analog sail
Don't things basically remove common rarity chances thus raising everything else?
proven sierra
let me just say this: i've been trying to force the Artemis/Poseidon dual cast boon OR the Hermes legendary boon on the current run i'm on. i've used Fated Authority something like 6 or 7 times on Posedion/Hermes/Artemis combined. no duo boon.
i think you are overselling how easy it is to get duos
limber flax
do keepsake work ones per run or once per act?
cunning urchin
Yarn and Nectar give you at minimum a rare boon, and they both increase the odds for Epic and for Legendary/Duo boons.
small stirrup
I don't think she is overselling it
rugged oyster
just got offered Epic rare crop, as my second boon 🤠 🔫
small stirrup
It really is easy to build for duos and legendries
pallid dagger
it's perfectly possible to get a duo or legendary halfway through tartarus!! it is!!
but it's no more likely than seeing them ten seconds before Redacted
proven sierra
(and im out of artemis/poseidon/hermes in styx)
i literally ONLY took boons from Poseidon/Artemis/Hermes this run
i only took boons that could count towards prereqs
limber flax
i can use up lucky tooth and just switch it ?
proven sierra
i used fated authority every time only after prereqs were met
i got no duo, no legendary
limber flax
is there any downside to that
pallid dagger
i have spent too many runs dragging the dead around for a sea storm to hear this.
rugged oyster
it shows up in the boon menu as a common rarity boon even tho it was epic because it only did 1/3 of what it was supposed to 😩
limber flax
??
analog sail
Lucky tooth's defiance gets used last
limber flax
wym
analog sail
But other than that yes
cunning urchin
No, you wouldn't have because you don't understand the game well enough yet.
proven sierra
............................................................................................................................................
analog sail
No
limber flax
huh
proven sierra
That's super patronizing and also untrue
I've been buying yarns every chance I could get.
I know how prereqs work.
I took the next 3 boons are rare from Eurydice.
fickle depot
I don't know if legendaries are linked to bonus rarity
proven sierra
I only took boons from those three Gods
small stirrup
They are @fickle depot
fickle depot
That seems unfortunate, were you using god's legacy?
rugged oyster
OH COME OOOOON
aspect of hestia doesnt combine with the shotgun hammer upgrade. this is rigged against fun, aspect of hestia's reload sound is literally a shotgun sounding chk chk
proven sierra
Please explain what you would have done differently, Nyaanyaa, oh master of Hades
I don't understand the game very well you see 😦
analog sail
Hestia doesn't combine with basically anything
rugged oyster
i actually hate it here
analog sail
I wanted to like Hestia, I know how you feel
fickle depot
What is the best companion to get first?
rugged oyster
i was so ready for aphro attack huge bang bang oneshot shotgun emopowered attack
fickle depot
I've been going towards bouldy
pallid dagger
hestia's awesome
used aphro and artemis on her and was getting upwards of 1,000 damage per hit
rugged oyster
that's the point
magic dagger
no other build would ever be worth it
analog sail
Bouldy has the best utility, but really, any you can get as first beats not having an6
hazy slate
what boons go well with bow's hidden aspect?
rugged oyster
tbh it's base damage would be like 140 (atleast at my hestia's level)
small stirrup
Dio or Demeter on special @hazy slate
magic dagger
it would be like Kane's max heat run except with only one boon
fickle depot
it takes so long to get companions compared to other types of items
rugged oyster
they're super strong tho
analog sail
They are very powerful
proven sierra
hestia + shotgun SHOULD combine i put that in the feedback too
like, the point of builds is to synergize!!!
not like there aren't other OP builds lol
though i've only put 110 hours into this game
i dont understand it very well 😦
analog sail
But not Hestia, she's very picky
rugged oyster
if i can have like, ||200 base dmg on an excalibur 3rd hit|| then i can have <200 on a shotgun after reloading
cunning urchin
I don't know where you're trying to go with that sarcasm lol.
proven sierra
You explicitly stated the only reason I didn't get the duo or legendary I was hunting is because I don't know the game well.
cunning urchin
Yes.
proven sierra
I told you everything that I did and asked what you would have done differently to guarantee the duo, since you understand the game so much better than me.
You... didn't respond.
small stirrup
Is this a fight?
rugged oyster
the fullstop makes you seem incredibly pointed.
small stirrup
🍿
drifting vale
This is a trainwreck just stop responding
analog sail
You just called everyone who can't force duos "not good enough", so what did you expect
small stirrup
No continue please
rugged oyster
🍿
fickle depot
Anyone got a good build to chase with arthur?
drifting vale
Crits fun
analog sail
I would gladly take this to DMs but it's way too late and I should probably go bed
pallid dagger
none of the final aspects really change all that much from the normal ones besides doing more damage
so take it however you like
magic dagger
@fickle depot artemis attack, shadow slash
pallid dagger
well.....they do change a lot but not in super different ways
fickle depot
I'll try and get some artemis
small stirrup
I agree with Nyaan here though, Duos and legendries arent that hard to build towards
analog sail
What.
All the final aspects are decisively slower than the others
magic dagger
dash between the hits in your combo so you can get giga crit backstabs
drifting vale
4th sword make big number already so crit make number bigger and lizard brain happy
small stirrup
In the end that's my opinion though
rugged oyster
you can build towards them with all the prereqs but at the end of the day its still luck
small stirrup
Take it as you will
rugged oyster
saying someone doesnt know what they're doing is clownery, sorry, like, just press C and B
proven sierra
Sure, they aren't hard to build towards. You just need to learn how to read basic prereqs - not that complicated - and stay focused on the Gods you're looking for, use your Fated Authority well, increase boon rarity when you can.
But that doesn't guarantee anything. You can do all the right things and still not get the boons. That isn't because we're dumb, lol
rugged oyster
^ this
pallid dagger
a person's personal experience with the game doesn't reflect the game on its own.
that applies whether you find the game harder or easier. it is kind of rude to sit there acting like someone just isn't getting it.
magic dagger
most people don't know what they're doing
that's most of why the game is fun
rugged oyster
not everyone checks the codex! but when someone's saying "im doing everything right and im frustrated with the RNG" saying they're doing it wrong or dont understand is just yuck
brittle wind
is EM 1 through 3 empower hades in some way??
cunning urchin
Dumb and not knowing the system well are very different things. I never called anyone dumb.
fickle depot
Is there a good website for builds? I treid looking through reddit for good threads but its a bit hit and miss.
magic dagger
is EM 1 through 3 empower hades in some way??
@brittle wind nope
brittle wind
I'm pretty sure he's getting stronger after 8 escape streak lol
analog sail
He isn't
brittle wind
maybe i'm just sucks lol
analog sail
You have good streaks and bad streaks
analog sail
No he still sucks.
analog sail
Being a great fan of fisting things I don't like pushing things away from me
rugged oyster
poseidon, hot, financially inclined, hot, satisfying boons, hot wym sucks?
you know what, that is understandable
pallid dagger
^
small stirrup
Being a great fan of fisting things I don't like pushing things away from me
Phrasing
analog sail
I know what I said
rugged oyster
💦 😩
polar vale
profanity filter isn't smart enough
analog sail
I don't know what you're talking about
proven sierra
that reminds me of a good old meme
that literally like Walmart algorithms put on their tote bags
(or something equally as mainstream as Walmart)
and it was an image called King DeDeDe drooling while eating
don't google it
rugged oyster
bruh
tidal edge
does dash striking cancel dash i-frames on all weapons?
pallid dagger
small stirrup
Ayo what on earth...
drifting vale
Semi offtrack but Warframes profanity filter recongizes "fisting" so it becomes an * so anytime someone talking about punching its just * and its hilarious
Nah too ez gg
small stirrup
Git gud
hazy slate
you'll eventually get him
drifting vale
Did you have rupture
mighty ermine
@tidal edge yes
worldly trellis
does the dodge chance from plume stay even if I change keepsakes?
hazy slate
i don't think so matt
tidal edge
thanks
drifting vale
Oof unfornate
worldly trellis
damn that blows
pallid dagger
ran into patroclus tho im gooD!
cunning urchin
@fickle depot is this something like what you're looking for? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
proven sierra
Until Styx, I took only boons from Artemis, Poseidon, Hermes, and Chaos. I tried so hard to force Artemis' legendary, Hermes' legendary, or Artemis/Poseidon's duo. No luck.
RNG gods not with me 
https://i.imgur.com/4yvoUoU.jpg
fickle depot
@cunning urchin thanks
hard holly
I wonder if EM4 is gonna affect the high heat meta
cunning urchin
Still haven't unlocked it.
proven sierra
Maybe you just need to learn the game more 
(((((i really do mean this in jest, trying to make light of our earlier exchange, and not to be an a hole by the way)))))
waxen imp
jUsT pLaY sHeiLd LuL
pallid dagger
i mean, that's how i won my first run before i realized you could hook a controller up
shield kind of is all-purpose easy
cunning urchin
You can affect and alter doom, which is kind of the lowest-tier status curse
?
waxen imp
Lol yea
pallid dagger
are you questioning the tier i gave it or that you can affect it
waxen imp
Was saying yea to shield being easy
clever matrix
doom is good if you pair it with another status effect for privileged status but that's all i can think of it being useful for lol
cunning urchin
Dash-Upper on pad is just a matter of practice. The input is very lenient.
Doom is great all on its own.
waxen imp
Doom is good with attacks that can hit a large area
pallid dagger
doom doesn't stack unless you apply another boon to it, and doesn't last (1 second and then it's gone, and you have to reapply) so it doesn't synergize well no matter what you do.
it's a lot of damage, but nothing that'll outshine hangover, rupture, or jolted.
clever matrix
I like doom on the shield toss for cc
waxen imp
Like bow special
pallid dagger
but like, i'll take vanilla doom over maim any day
magic dagger
doom is good.
pallid dagger
i can use doom. i just....didn't get to see maim in action very often. even against the bosses, it wasn't that helpful. generally did more damage with my basic attack.
waxen imp
Plus it helps get that ares dio duo because dio op
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony is the best DPS you can get on Malphon, potentially tied only with Lightning Strike.
pallid dagger
best dp--what? Aphrodite is over here with her fine, fine damage boosts, and you say that?
(also Zeus.)
hushed ledge
Can't argue with maths
pallid dagger
also i was going to do this earlier but i got caught up in playing
even if you like ares, @ anyone who reads this: hit me up with ways you would revamp him
magic dagger
aphrodite gives you +15 damage per hit at epic rarity
hard holly
Not on ||Gilgamesh||
Doom is outclassed by Aphro there as far as I can tell
I wouldnt revamp Ares tbh
I think Doom sucks, but enough people like it
Soooo
magic dagger
If I could alter ares I would alter the prereqs for his duo with athena
cunning urchin
@pallid dagger yeah, I'm talking aspects 1–3.
Woops.
@hard holly
Wrong ping lol.
hard holly
Yeah Im just adding
cunning urchin
Anyway.
Heartbreak Strike is only on par with those two on single targets, and only if you attack relentlessly and spam Dash-Strikes (which leaves you vulnerable).
hard holly
Anyway, Doom is in a weird spot where, without a duo boon, the stars have to kind of align for doom to not be outclassed by others
Well, without the duo boon
Apparently the stars may have aligned on Malphon
cunning urchin
It's good enough on its own to beat TD3.
hard holly
For other weapons, either their individual hits are too meaty, or their attack speed too fast to make Doom a good choice
pallid dagger
can you guys say what these things mean like what the hell is TD
cunning urchin
With JS3 CP2 DC2.
hard holly
Tight Deadline 3
pallid dagger
ahhh
lyric bloom
I just really don't like doom, I don't find it to be a fun status/boon
hard holly
Those 3
Well DC is damage control
I got no clue on the other 2
Oh wait
Jury Summons and Calisthenics program
cunning urchin
Yep.
pallid dagger
Dionysus, Zeus, and Ares are all at an unfortunate tier where they offer no percentage boosts and just grant flat damage inflictions. Ares gets the short stick on that.
pallid dagger
^ @lyric bloom you said it
hard holly
Dionysus is often outclassed by Zeus but has his perks
lyric bloom
Zeus is cool and also instant
that's the worst thing about doom, I have to wait for the big numbers
pallid dagger
it depends on the weapon
hangover with a high stack eats away at things really quickly
hard holly
I dont ever pick Doom effects
clever matrix
pallid dagger
you know the big thing?
hard holly
But Im a bit more mellow on them nowadays
clever matrix
I did get this yesterday with doom paired with crit though
hard holly
Used to think theyre the worst, now theyre just something I aint gonna pick
That seems to not be doom doing the damage
Its not red
pallid dagger
both dio and zeus can eat through armor and keep going.
if you apply doom, it just hits the armor and stops. very good example of it not measuring up.
hard holly
Kind of a niche situations though
lyric bloom
I like blade rifts a lot but doom is stinky
clever matrix
damn I didnt know that
hard holly
Blade rifts are sweet
cunning urchin
Doom is featured prominently at high heat and in speedruns, so I don't know what you're basing on that it gets the "short stick".
pallid dagger
i don't like doom or blade rifts
hard holly
Anyway I cant guarantee it, but Im pretty sure even with crits, damage from boon effects is coloured according to their god
lyric bloom
yeah armour has a sort of one shot protection to it
lyric bloom
the last hit of armour absorbs all of the damage in the hit that breaks it
pallid dagger
i'm basing it on my play experience. I don't sit here looking at what goes on for people who do runs on heat levels I'll never try or go for time records I'll never exceed.
lyric bloom
*there might be some exceptions, correct me if there are
clever matrix
what does an exclamation point on a damage number mean
paper forge
critical hit I believe
pallid dagger
a critical hit, i think.
lyric bloom
factorials, of course /s
paper forge
lol
hard holly
Yeah it signifies a crit
steel sable
Alright, so, I have a good amount of time on Hades, and I decided I wanted to check over my mirror upgrades (since I have about everything maxed, well, except for Fated Authority, obviously.) But I've run into a stumble, Olympian's Favor vs. Dark Forsight and God's Pride vs. God's Legacy. Especially since when I last played more (before 1.0) they weren't arranged in that way. So, what's the common opinion on it?
pallid dagger
i generally stick to the first set of mirror upgrades but i think i took dark foresight just cuz i felt some boon starvation after awhile. keep God's Pride, though.
clever matrix
I usually go with dark foresight and god's pride
cunning urchin
Maybe you should watch some high heat or speedruns to see its potential, then. Doom does a lot of damage without any extra requirements, and it synergizes with Deflect for one of the very best DPS boons in the game that can effectively seal the run even at 45+ Heat.
hard holly
Gods Pride and Gods Legacy for me
cunning urchin
There's a reason they nerfed Merciful End and made it harder to get.
And it's still one of the very best boons in the game.
clever matrix
what's Merciful End? a duo?
cunning urchin
Yes.
pallid dagger
Well, good for those people. I am sure there are plenty of people who play at similar levels who could report back similar things about a variety of other boons or statuses.
I'm going to be frank though, and say you maybe need to cut back on the "well, I / other people didn't have a problem, so there isn't one" stance. It's a condescending attitude at its nicest and most people don't take well to it.
cunning urchin
?
lyric bloom
I just don't like doom bc it's not instant, and I like seeing my big numbers now, I don't want to wait for them
covert hatch
See I like doom because You Are Already Dead
hushed ledge
I enjoy doom because it's a unique form of damage that creates really interesting situations during the early game
lyric bloom
it also doesn't fit my playstyle of flail around until everyone dies, that too
cunning urchin
I think this channel is for discussing builds, no?
lyric bloom
yeah probably
cunning urchin
Explaining the potential that Doom has both on its own and in combination with Deflect falls into that, no?
lyric bloom
yeah I think so
so is doom better on strike or flourish in the case of using it with the athena duo?
it probably varies by weapon so this might be a dumb question to ask
cunning urchin
Depends on the aspect, yes.
For Malphon and Stygius, you want to have Doom on Attack.
lyric bloom
though, I guess in the right run you could even get the duo, then replace the athena attack/special with the other doom one and then deflect with the cast/dash
cunning urchin
Zeus Aspect can have it on either; Chaos Aspect probably on Special, but the aspect was changed a lot, so I dunno; Zag Aspect shield on Attack.
though, I guess in the right run you could even get the duo, then replace the athena attack/special with the other doom one and then deflect with the cast/dash
That's kind of relying too much on RNG.
hard holly
Doesnt Zag shield add base damage?
Aphrodite and Artemis are better there again I imagine
cunning urchin
You want Divine Dash in any case.
hard holly
Certainly if you get pulverising blow
jaunty solar
zeus shield merciful end is overpowered btw
with doom on special and deflect on attack
lyric bloom
yeah it would require quite a bit of good rng to get that build
cunning urchin
Zeus Aspect can trigger ME easily and a lot. I know Vorime was using it for speedruns with it.
jaunty solar
as long as you can manage to get ares or athena for a second time in asphodel you are good to go with that build
cunning urchin
I don't use the Zeus Aspect myself really. But even if there's a higher DPS build, ME is up there, and it has Deflect.
jaunty solar
i did like 3 clears with the shield all on zeus
just feels so much better to me than chaos
i just wish i didnt need daedalus to remove the knockback on attack
also zeus aspect and support fire is bugged but its really minor and player favored so whatever
mighty ermine
the solution to that is going completely into special and ignoring attack
jaunty solar
you dont understand i NEED to click
but actually good advice ngl
one cheese build i like is taking deflect on special with zeus aspect
two block shields lmao
proven sierra
ugh come on. another focused build (artemis + ares + demeter, took a one-off Athena and Aphrodite when forced), 5 fated persuasion rerolls on the Ares/Demeter reroll boon, AGAIN no luck
two runs in a row where i cant get the duo i want to pop ugh
at least i got artemis/ares
pallid dagger
am I the only one that kind of doesn't like the Eris aspect?
proven sierra
but i wanted that artemis/ares + ares/demeter
mighty ermine
you're not running with olympian legacy though, are you reli
proven sierra
no
cunning urchin
I wouldn't use Authority.
proven sierra
i meant persuasion
mighty ermine
if you're gunning for duos specifically, you probably should just go legacy
proven sierra
the ones where you reroll on the boon select screen
cunning urchin
That's Persuasion, yes.
proven sierra
i wasnt initially going for it, my Tartarus RNG just led in that direction so i decided to focus is
covert hatch
I feel that, it took forever to get Ice Wine for my list
onyx parcel
Does hades aspect
Actually give u reduced charging time?
I feel like it does by watching other people play?
Might actually have to get hades aspect
proven sierra
the hades aspect mini-spin is bigger than the regular mini-spin
so it might seem faster
rare topaz
Hey guys~
onyx parcel
Ah
So it must be the radius increase
That made it seem like it was charging faster
Makes sense
mighty ermine
mhm
tidal edge
my first hades clear was with hades spear, exploding launcher, and quick spin
such a fun aspect
tidal edge
I felt a big difference at 60% fwiw
mighty ermine
if you're going for a spin-centric build, it's fine
but if you actually want to make use of punishing sweep's effect, don't bother
onyx parcel
Hm
rare topaz
I'm finding it hard to return to the game ngl. Have about nearly 90 hours logged into it, wanna aim for the ending but uh, meesa struggling xD Any ideas for fun builds that can get me back into the groove of the game?
onyx parcel
Yea idk I’m not sure if I’ll enjoy the spin focused playstyle
lyric bloom
if you plan on going spin, know that you can dash out of it to bring the spin with you on your dash, effectively extending the range on it
made spin way more appealing when I found that out
onyx parcel
Wait what
mighty ermine
yep
onyx parcel
How do I execute that
mighty ermine
you rarely ever want to do standstill spins
lyric bloom
charge the spin, and then dash
any direction
it also has two tiers of charge, if you didn't notice
I didn't
mighty ermine
dash out of your spin at any point while holding it
onyx parcel
Dash while charging? Or dash when releasing the charge?
cunning urchin
@proven sierra Attack, Special, Dash, Cast are priority slots, they'll have priority in the boon pool until you fill the respective slots.
tidal edge
while charging sauce
cunning urchin
Dash to release the charge.
cunning urchin
Also, you can charge from Dash-Strikes.
tidal edge
the only thing I find kinda awkward is spamming the dash strike since it doesn't hit immediately in front of you like with sword
gotta space it kinda
onyx parcel
Might screw around and get hades aspect and never touch the spear again 😳
mighty ermine
you can also perform a dash-strike immediately after the dash spin
onyx parcel
So should I be dash striking and spinning all the time
Or should I also be attacking
Honestly I’m liking this new spin tech
I might get hades aspect and do the give up trick
tidal edge
my understanding is that you focus on either the dash strike or the special depending on what upgrades you get
main anchor
I took World Splitter on Stygius for the first time tonight, does it remove aim assist for melee attacks? I was absurdly strong that run but still lost because I found myself missing enemies by 100 degrees in the wrong direction everytime I went in and mashed attack.
mighty ermine
with hades spear, the hammers you want the most are serrated point and exploding launcher, depending on whether you go for an attack or special oriented build respectively
quick and massive spin are both nice, for sure, but not as needed for damage
tidal edge
Tailesque is there a trick to spamming dash strike as quickly as possible without dashing into the enemy? do I just need to flick faster?
tidal edge
serrated point lets your dash strike hit 3x but shorter dash range, exploding launcher makes your special a ranged aoe with no need to recall it
mighty ermine
@tidal edge you can dash in one direction while aiming your dash-strike in a different direction, which does take some quick stick-work on controller at least
clever matrix
ok now that I know you can dash with your spin attack I'm enjoying the spear way more lol
shadow ridge
How is crit chance calculated in this game? My friend claims they have 60% crit chance and "never crit"
and it's babyrage city
tidal edge
do you use controller Tai?
mighty ermine
yeah, 100% controller personally
tidal edge
gotcha
onyx parcel
DEAR LORD aspect of nemesis is STRONG
shadow ridge
now they're doing napkin math and raging even more
tidal edge
oh I remember someone spamming sword being garbage before, was that sauce lol
lyric bloom
exploding launcher is really strong by the way, it sets the thorw's base damage to something like 90 IIRC
proven sierra
I think I'm encountering a bug where the rare/epic bonuses from the mirror are no longer working. I was just messing with them, refunded/respeced a bit, and on my last three runs I've gotten far more commons (and far fewer epics) than in the preceding ~~70 runs or so. But they should be maxed out.
hushed ledge
Sword hasn't been garbo for years
worldly trellis
@onyx parcel what did it?
mighty ermine
@lyric bloom it's 50, which is still strong for how quick it comes out
onyx parcel
Rebinding my dash to shoulder button
Opened up a whole new world
I can actually dash strike with the sword properly now
Can u believe that
worldly trellis
for me it was rebinding my special to a side mouse button
mighty ermine
wait but dash and attack buttons are right next to each other by default
that's an interesting remap
but if it works it works
cunning urchin
@shadow ridge there have been complaints that Deadly Flourish + Vicious Skewer doesn't stack properly. So maybe there's some bug there. Crit chance should work just as you'd expect, anyway.
covert hatch
Is it additive or multiplicative?
clever matrix
oh i love aspect of nemesis
mighty ermine
the crit chance or crit damage?
covert hatch
Chance
shadow ridge
They have an artemis blessing and the sword upgrade that increases crit on the 3rd hit
They've crit like twice out of 20 times with the thrust
tidal edge
actually, is doing dash strikes out of dash as fast as possible even optimal for damage?
if the dash reset timer starts on the first dash use, wouldn't that mean the dash strikes can come out slower as long as it doesn't run into when the dashes reset
cunning urchin
Could just be bad luck and it evens out.
tidal edge
please correct me if I'm wrong
shadow ridge
Maybe, I've just been hearing babyraging for the past 20 minutes
and furious napkin math
cunning urchin
But maybe there's a bug with crit boons and crit hammers in the current build. I wouldn't rule it out since I've been hearing multiple complaints lately.
mighty ermine
@tidal edge hmm, i might be misunderstanding what you're getting at, but spear dash-strikes with serrated point are unaffected by dash cooldown that normally happens for e.g. sword which uses special to fill the gap
so every dash-strike has its own mini cooldown right after, which makes it so you can keep doing them at the same pace
austere axle
Should I start selling my boonies when I get to the 2nd part
Like is there a reason to do it except gold
tidal edge
oh okay, I see what you're saying
does that cooldown start with the dash or the dash strike? for the situations where I dash one direction but take a moment to strike in another, if that makes sense
hushed ledge
Isn't sword optimal something like da da a1 special? Or can you only fit A1 with zag
lyric bloom
you can get rid of boons you don't really want to use, or free up main boon slots to replace them sooner (gods offering a replacement is fairly rare in my experience)
austere axle
What boons do I want for bow?
lyric bloom
so if you get a common tier boon, but would rather get a rare/epic tier one in the same slot you can sell the common boon