Talos and Demeter fist is also dramatic
#h1-builds-and-combat
hearty elbow
An unfolded paper clip will kill you with level 1 GY lol
onyx parcel
Max level Demeter destroys
hearty elbow
Also level 1 GY makes hearts and healing next to worthless
onyx parcel
Val I’m not sure if u decided but zag and chaos shield are both good choices
So is Demeter fist in my own opinion
If u enjoy fist
median oar
I do like fist, got my zag fist for now which serves, but when I'm looking at my next for it it's gonna be demeter
oh, zag aspect for shield is also offensive, I don't know why I got it in my head it was like damage reduction
oh I know why I got it in my head it was damage reduction
the wiki says so
hahaha
onyx parcel
oh, zag aspect for shield is also offensive, I don't know why I got it in my head it was like damage reduction
@median oar it used to be
Which was probably ass
And wiki isn’t updated
Now it’s +15 base damage
Which is pretty great
median oar
okay so you think offensively they're in the same ballpark, chaos and zag? ignoring price
onyx parcel
Depends on ur playstyle I guess
If u go in their faces you prob want more damage
If u like going on and out, weaving between enemies
median oar
I tend to play pinball
onyx parcel
And bull rushing and big AOE
prob chaos would be better
Depends on how much you attack. Basically
Do u attack a lot? Or do u bull rush and special a lot
median oar
my general MO with shield is bull rush between attack/dash cycle
so throw myself into a clump with the rush then dash attack my way out to bull rush back in again
onyx parcel
Then chaos shield might be the pick for u
Bull rush in and then an explosive special
And dash out
I find it to be fun as hell
median oar
aighty. I'm locking it in. and at worst if I decide it's not the shield for me the next thing to try is only 5 blood
median oar
give up trick?
onyx parcel
U can invest in an aspect, then immediately go in a run and try it out. Don’t die. Select give up on the pause menu
And you’ll be back at the state where u still had ur blood
So it’s basically a free trial for aspects
U can try out stuff and then go back
And decide if u wanna keep it
Just make sure u don’t save the game during that run or else it’s locked in
median oar
good to know
time to give chaos shield a few goes, then zag bow after, thanks everyone for the discussion
can artemis' hunter's mark target the same foe it triggered on?
glass ether
I have a feeling backstab sword build ain't that good. Elysium boss took more time than I hoped. And I have +200 from the hammer, 76 from chaos, and mirror upgrade
And artemis attack buff
glass ether
This give up trick is 200 iq
neat rapids
So... I currently have both caustic affluence (common, +40% obol) and slothful affluence (epic, +75% obol)
Was not expecting it to be possible to get multiple of the same blessing
Maybe would have reconsidered taking the slothful if I had known I would have 50% move speed during the bone hydra fight but it worked out
Love 2 pick up 215 obol from a regular chamber reward
tardy dragon
Is relentless or concentrated volley better for chrion bow?
thorn jolt
is relentless the piercing one?
I feel like concentrated is the stacking one which seems nutty with chiron if all your specials hit the boss guy
limpid wyvern
I just got the Aegis Zag aspect up to legendary and I was wondering what gods I should focus on
tardy dragon
Im just gonna go relentless
hearty elbow
Concentrated with 7 arrows, so 0 + 3 + 6 + 9 + 12 + 15 + 18, or +72 base damage (wow). Relentless Volley is +4 Arrows, which +40
Is Concentrated really +4? huh
So even more
hearty elbow
So yeah, Relentless is just 2x damage then, in your case
tardy dragon
Bet
tawdry holly
aspect of hera bow with doom cast is OP with the other doom boons. paired with demeter attack.
killed last boss in 30 secs
broken karma
i have a question regarding the keepsake ||pom blossom||, with it work in the styx maze rooms?
median oar
hahahah, so for anyone who was interested, I ran with my newly-unlocked chaos aspect shield, ||got to the real test that is Hades|| but ||he just went "ok, go" without fighting me so I didn't get to see how my build would go|| and I got the epilogue
tawdry holly
nah bro. its because you progress the story far enough to get there.
its a 1 off thing
livid comet
is there anyone who actually uses the green boon talents?
dark foresight and the other one
that gives more chance for legendary and duo boons?
hearty elbow
Persuasion and Dark Foresight are some of the best talents period
Stubborn Defiance is kind of necessary for high high heat
livid comet
I vastly prefer the red versions for the boon upgrades
hearty elbow
I like the Duo boon talent personally, but that's preference.
livid comet
hmm
hearty elbow
Family Favorites is just more flexible than Privileged Status. They're both additive, so the approx. 15% increase of PS is really just not that relevant for the cost of maintaining it
PS is great though if you're starting Aphro, Demeter, or Dio
Abyssal Blood is good for builds that don't expect to deal any attack or special based damage, like most Lightning, Doom, or Hangover builds.
Oh, right, and Dark Regeneration is pretty close to strictly better than Chthonic Vitality once you finish the bounties and max the Infernal Troves
dense star
Weirdly enough I've lately been liking the +15% gold interest at end of a floor
hearty elbow
It's kinda sweet for getting the blood or diamond in Styx, yeah
dense star
^ yeah it's very good at that
hearty elbow
Though 100 gold in the hand is generally better than 1200 in the bush
dense star
It does want you to skip 1st sector shops, and usually 2nd floor ones as well
Probably also gets worse if you use the +shop cost heat mod as well, since the gold it makes translates to lesd stuff bought later
serene phoenix
hearty elbow
Nope, you always could
dense star
It does kinda combo with Underworld Customs, since that generates some money (though it procs for that floor before you purge)
median oar
Mechanical question, if you have +attack% damage modifier, and a debuff is on attack e.g. Doom, does the +attack% affect the Doom damage value or is it absolute
hearty elbow
Only direct damage from attacks or specials are multiplied by those mods
Global damage, like from Privileged Status, Family Favorites, or the Eris buff do apply to everything.
median oar
OK, thanks
sterile comet
So
I got my ass thrashed with Aspect of Lucifer
Any advice on wielding it properly?
hearty elbow
You lose iframes if you dash while attacking, so don't forget to stop attacking if you want to leverage that. Divine Dash comes at a very high premium because that aspect has no intrinsic way of dealing with projectiles
Be careful, Divine Strike on paper seems like it would be sweet, but your laser does not deflect. Deflection only happens for that weapon at the gun itself
sterile comet
that is silly, but thank you for telling me of it
hearty elbow
Eternal Chamber seems nice but I've found it to be a trap because of the total loss of iframes with that playstyle. For that reason I prefer Flash Fire because it gives additional range and faster startup on the laser
Also the damage buildup, even if you're going Lightning, isn't nothing. The damage does add up pretty quickly
livid comet
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318468047407022090/758567595468914728/unknown.png|| I have so many casts put in him
broken karma
so uh what is Ambiguity Bonus?
broken karma
dangit
quasi folio
breaching cross flying knuckle of colossus strike on the knuckle?
fast gyro
Hello, i have a question : how damage is calculated?
I wright with the fist
I have daedelus kick (40*2)
Aphrodite boon on attak(+ 115%)
Hermès gift (13% avoid and ms)
Hermès boon (+50% dmg for EACH % of ms)
quick valve
ebon tinsel
does each of chaos shield proc zeus special lightning? and can it proc more than once on the same target
mighty ermine
each shield is capable of bolt procs, yes, and they can proc more than once on the same target, but with a minimum of 0.2s between bolts
since thunder flourish bolts have an internal cooldown of ~0.2s
so you can shotgun all shields into an enemy, but since they all hit at around the exact same time, you won't get a bolt for every shield that hits in that moment
ebon tinsel
dang feels bad, thanks for info
mighty ermine
yee no problem
vocal thunder
So am I the only one usually doesn't get much benefit from Aphrodite boons?
Or is it just bad luck every time I happen to get her as a room reward?
ebon tinsel
was hoping to shotgun for like 270 lightning damage
small stirrup
There is always a benefit from lady aphrodite
stable urchin
Aphro just like
small stirrup
Aphrodite is one of the best gods for boons
stable urchin
Is boring
small stirrup
You can slap her on anything and it will work
ebon tinsel
artemis call gang
small stirrup
Aphrodite is one of the most useful olympians not because of the weak debuff, but she gives the highest damage increase as well
robust anchor
looks like im messing up the auto aim. sometimes it hits an enemy sometimes it aims where im moving. any fix?
small stirrup
On top of that all her duos are amazing (Except the one with demeter)
stable urchin
:/ I've never had art call be that good for me compared to Aphro.
vocal thunder
I guess it's just bad luck then?
stable urchin
Are you supposed to spam art call?
vocal thunder
Because usually by the time I get her I have a set and slotting a boon in from her doesn't give me much benefit.
small stirrup
Yes and no?
ebon tinsel
no fully charge then shotgun a boss and win
small stirrup
The arrow can crit for a lot of damage
Also the small amount needed for the call makes it great for dodging
stable urchin
Idk, it just never seems that good compared to Aphro Nuke
stable urchin
What? Why not?
small stirrup
Charm is just better =/
loud hearth
do several casts on enemy have an impact on calculated damage or does it cap with one?
small stirrup
Charm not only intrupts a foe but also makes them do massive amounts of damage to each other
stable urchin
Charm never seems to work well for me beyond the interrupt
I save it for the 3.5k dmg and then blast thru a phase of a boss
small stirrup
It has helped a lot in the Theseus and Asterius fight
ebon tinsel
i think aphro is 2500 damage nuke but artemis is (17*100 but each 100 can crit)
small stirrup
Whenever Asterius spins I just drop it and he caves through theseus' chariot
stable urchin
Lol maybe your way is how it's gotta be done to stop the rush
ebon tinsel
14*100 not 17 sorry
stable urchin
But the NUKE is so satisfying to insta kill Thesius when he goes super saiyan
It's 10 arrows isn't it?
stable urchin
I looked it up, I thought it meant 10 in total.
ebon tinsel
doing the math tho i think aphro deals more damage (on average) with max rank?
stable urchin
Yeet, get rekt arty nerds.
small stirrup
Excuse me?
stable urchin
Oop
small stirrup
ebon tinsel
does a 100 damage crit deal 200 or 300 cuz it says crit is +200%?
stable urchin
It does double
small stirrup
Critical is three times the damage output
mighty ermine
crits are 3x
tacit dirge
(Except the one with demeter)
tell me about it, wiped out on a run because i picked that boon
stable urchin
Wait yeah you're right cause it says +
ebon tinsel
ok so then arti still has the potential to outdamage aphro
small stirrup
It's not that unlikely
And pressure points looks useless to many people cause of the really low crit chance
But people forget it says any damage can be critical
stable urchin
It's what, a 35% chance for 10 arrows that do 100 base?
ebon tinsel
i think the reason id take aphro call over artemis is that 1 charge of aphro is what better than 1 of artemis
small stirrup
the base arrow is 110 on rare
ebon tinsel
i think its 13/14 arrows cuz it says bonus?
stable urchin
Yeah true, it's a lot more versatile than art anyways
ebon tinsel
so 3 normal and 10 bonus?
stable urchin
Is it? I've never been able to count how many arrows are shot.
ebon tinsel
me too so im hoping for confirmation XD
stable urchin
Aphro 1 - Arti the Farti 0
small stirrup
(asumuming rare)
small stirrup
Aphro is great
small stirrup
Every call is great
stable urchin
Aphros call is the best thing about her
small stirrup
...
ebon tinsel
good point, this game is really well balanced hence why i'm no-lifeing it lol
stable urchin
I'm tellin ya, NUKE is the G
ebon tinsel
nooo aphro has best damage throw it on a nemesis dash strike build and ur good to go
stable urchin
My issue with picking Aphro is that she's kinda lame. Like, jolt or chill is a lot more fun.
turbid needle
Is stygian soul (the regenerating cast) worth it at all I think that having three casts but having to pick them up works better? Is it just because I'm not used to it?
small stirrup
Aphro isn't loved for the "weak" aspect but on how strong she makes your attacks
Stygian soul is worth it on certain weapons
drifting vale
Arti call is really easy to get going because damage gives gauge i'm pretty sure it can give itself gauge because it's used as soon as it fires i don't think theres a duration on it like say zeus
I don't really like aphro call cause it's really only useful on bosses and even then it's meh
Personally the one thing i like aphro is weak lets you be more careless and just enjoy the game shenanigans
stable urchin
:( but the pew pew ⚡ is cool
turbid needle
my fastest run was with fully stacked aphrodites thanks to the weak enemies taking more damage boon, together with zeus jolt and the mirror buff that gave +40% damage against enemies with two statues effects. 22m run.
drifting vale
It is and a lot of aoe damage but i don't think it can charge itself
stable urchin
Fists is how I got my fastest run
drifting vale
Same
stable urchin
18 min
small stirrup
My fastest run is surprisingly with Excalibur
drifting vale
Mine is buried in victory boasting but it's like 16:30 something
turbid needle
I still have to win with excal, i did unlock it
drifting vale
Yeah authur is my second fastest
turbid needle
next up i'm unlocking the rail aspect
stable urchin
Yoooo 16?
drifting vale
Yeee
stable urchin
That is dope
turbid needle
also, opinions on +3 hp per room v +60% darkness healing?
median oar
how are dudes getting like 15-20 minute clears
small stirrup
It was Chaos aspect which was my fastest and then I just got a new record when I finished my run and I was like "
"
stable urchin
One thing I've noticed is that satyr sacks can be in the skull rooms now. I think that's going to make future times a lot slower.
Since it's 1/5 instead of 1/3
small stirrup
They always could be in miniboss rooms
small stirrup
Satyr sacks have an equal chance of spawning in rooms after the first one
turbid needle
I also thought it was only non-skull rooms
small stirrup
It'll never be found in the first one
stable urchin
Are you 100% sure? I had never seen one in like 60 runs in a skull room.
Also HOLY @drifting vale
turbid needle
Getting the Demeter legendary with Demeter aspect is pure lore lol
drifting vale
It was amazing
I literally got it in the styx shop praise demeter
small stirrup
I have to hunt down the screenshot for my fastest run but sub 17 is super impressive
ebon tinsel
does chiron beat the 0.2 sec timer for zeus lightning?
fleet patrol
I stumbled across the rocket shotgun with Adamant Rail
fleet patrol
whoops lmao
small stirrup
Woah there
ebon tinsel
so you with 7 shots at level 5 chiron youll get like 3/4 strikes?
small stirrup
Language
drifting vale
You get like 2 strikes
ebon tinsel
mahn, what actually works well w zeus special?
drifting vale
Spear shield
stable urchin
Aegis!!!
drifting vale
Gun
stable urchin
It's so much fun to Zeus aegis and see the enemies get struck as the shield chases you.
drifting vale
Theoretically demeter fists if each shot kill someone
Although not practical without kinetic launcher
turbid needle
I might go back to the default mirror
Not feeling this regen cast
Maybe with festive fog
stable urchin
Yeah I tried it out for a few runs, but 3, just let's you spam it.
ebon tinsel
well at max rank chiron if you only proc 2 zeus per special thats 60 damage which is the same as ares
turbid needle
I tried ares cast and it was nice not chasing it but I like to make whirly death room with three spinning blades
ebon tinsel
so can you special faster than an ares proc? if so then it should be decent damage
drifting vale
I switched to stygian cast because i got tired of having to pick up the things sometimes them ending up in water/lava and having to wait out the timer
So i just learned to go for Hermes reduced timer on regen every run if possible
Nice thats super good!
Talos is a fun one
turbid needle
I got
Draining cutter at start
The rooms with skulls were basically free health
I killed the last boss without using a single death defiance
I know it's heat 0 but eh
Still felt good
Weak+reduced damage from Athena+dodge from Hermes
If you give up on a run does it reset your streak?
ebon tinsel
why is aphro chaos shield shotgun blast not a thing?
drifting vale
It could definitely work just fine but because Zeus is able to hit basically the whole room its popular
turbid needle
question since you have it @drifting vale, does the boon swap thingie randomize rarity too?
drifting vale
What do you mean
turbid needle
you have the mirror bonus that you cna change 1 boon when you select them from a god right
turbid needle
if you use it on a common boon, can it reroll on a rare/epic one?
turbid needle
deffo gonna take it, fated authority is near useless
drifting vale
My only gripe with FA is that darkness, gems, keys, obols are a separate pool
Boons, hammers, and poms are another pool
So you cant change gems to a boon or at least it never happened for me
If it could i would definitely take it more often
turbid needle
yeah they just reroll on the pool
i usually use it to switch gems into darkness/keys/obols
drifting vale
I just wouldnt use it on those at all tbh unless you really needed hearts but im not sure which pool those are in
And of course you cant change shop sometimes i just dont want to spend on obols cause golden touch or nothing i want for the amount i have
It just feels lackluster and far more situational than getting a bunch of commons and rerolling it and getting a legendary
turbid needle
that's why i asked
if it kept the same rarity i dunno if i'd take it but
if i can reroll a common while hoping to get an epic call or something
drifting vale
One thing i have noticed in general is you cant just get a heroic boon you have to force it somehow
Either trading an epic boon or
Upgrading rarity from rare crop or refreshing nectar
Also if you get a common of something you want you can reroll to hopefully get a higher rarity a gamble for sure though
turbid needle
i got rare crop as my 3rd boon with demeter, was nice resetting the other 2 i had to common and have them ebcocme heroic
i feel getting it in elysium is too late, but up to elysium should be fine
drifting vale
Actually youll see a lot of people disagree because the sytx rooms count individually
drifting vale
Yep each room is a separate encounter for most things
turbid needle
makes sense since they count individually for side hustle
drifting vale
Yeah thats a real nice one to have
turbid needle
I almost bought out charon's shop on the run i had it
beside the titan blood he offered
my longest run i almost gave up on, but i had side hustle, but i died a lot in elysium
got saved by kiss of styx + from patroclus and being able to just buy a lot of stuff before the last boss
drifting vale
Im so glad they lowered the blood to 1200
1500 was just too much
Yeah kiss of styx premium has saved a run or two for me
turbid needle
which gods go well with ares?
I usually just focus on him if i get him first 'cause most of his stuff seems stand alone
unless you get artemis, i guess, for the blade rift tracking
drifting vale
I personally dont really like ares but ive seen it do some damage
Just doesnt work well in my hands so i cant give any good advice on it
turbid needle
one time i got demeter+artemis in my run
and the laser beams tracked the enemy AGGRESSIVELY
like, full on 180 degree spins
drifting vale
I love that duo so much
turbid needle
especially if you get it with the 10 stacks of frost exploding and cast applying frost
it becomes a death beam that melts enemies
drifting vale
Theres another i think demeter athena? that has them track on you and with fists since youre inside them the whole its stronc
turbid needle
it's aphrodites
robust anchor
are we allowed to talk about final boss here without spoiler tag
turbid needle
Cold Embrace Your Cast crystal fires its beam directly at you for +4 Sec
Bonus Cast Damage: +30%
Aphrodite / Demeter
Aphrodite: Passion Dash, Aphrodite's Aid
Demeter: Crystal Beam
turbid needle
you can also get from aphrodite the
max health give you more
and demeter increased healing
you can play more aggressively
drifting vale
I mean yeah but thick skin and the occasional forced heart is good enough for me
turbid needle
yeah, i take the max health increase from aphoridte only if i don't really need the othres she offers
drifting vale
I really only take it pre elysium after that point i will take anything else
drifting vale
It is
It shreds
Its like refresh every second
And if you have a high doom damage
Spicy numbers
turbid needle
i had a full on ares run once
it was neat
rifts pulling foes in with increased range, tracking, more damage the more they got hit and epic rarity call meant spinny whirly death for everything
median oar
does give up break streaks
fluid scaffold
I assume it does, why else would there be a streak
limber pine
I don't think so, gave up a few times and my streak still stayed
waxen imp
i failed my run against super hades but i had this
turbid needle
i just got saved by aphrodite's legendary and having weak on special
waxen imp
waxen imp
i forget but i was doing 261 ticks
curse of nausea as well
super hades is difficult
waxen imp
it's not even hades himself that's too difficult
it's the phase where the map gets dark
tried against him both times and failed both at last phase
also dio op
turbid needle
question, do i need to unlock at least 1 aspect of a weapon to unlock the legendary? (I already have guan yu, but I'm putting blood into Zagreus aspect for Exagryph since I don't like the others to unlock lucifer)
Like, can i just max out aspect of zagreus with 5 blood to qualify for the legendary?
median oar
do you need to play spear to unlock guan yu
turbid needle
you need to unlock 5 aspects among all weapons and confront hades at least once
i did that with the spear so dunno if it's a requirement or not
median oar
when you say unlock aspects does that mean plinking 1 point into each zag counts as "unlock"
turbid needle
unlock as in putting the 1 or 2 blood into something that isn't the aspect of zagreus
(2 for the one that reuire 2)
you need to have 5 among all weapons
ebon tinsel
Does the zeuz Poseidon duo have an internal cooldown ?
median oar
kk cheers
next moss
i'm warming up to the patroclus keepsake
temporary invincibility after damage is pretty damn good
turbid needle
i still have 1 keepsake "locked" in the screen, but i think I have all of them?
like, I can't imagine which one it is unless there's a secret one
charred ruin
I feel like the new keepsake overshadows almost all of the rest. No reason to take them anymore.
turbid needle
can you pm who gives it to you?
half crater
it doesn’t let you get started on your build like a god keepsake, and it doesn’t grant a good defensive buff for bosses like the acorn or tooth
charred ruin
i know
half crater
there’s basically no reason to take it in styx, where it will barely do anything and you could be rocking acorn instead
and the rest of the time? eh, it’s decent
charred ruin
in styx it does enough because of the small rooms
but i'd rather have somehting for the boss
turbid needle
good boons to take with Excal?
half crater
i certainly like it, and it’ll be my go to for when i’m doing runs where i don’t care what boons i get
charred ruin
it's a good keepsake for after you switch out the god one at the start
but like, why take the coin purse for example?
why take most of them?
half crater
wait do the small rooms count?
i assumed they wouldn’t
even so, it’s competing with acorn
charred ruin
it's not
turbid needle
i did it in a run where i lost my death defiance and the coin purse bumped me to enough gold for kiss of styx, then replaced it in styx
charred ruin
i did it in a run where i lost my death defiance and the coin purse bumped me to enough gold for kiss of styx, then replaced it in styx
@turbid needle you could have sold a boon
half crater
sometimes the boon sell options will cripple you
charred ruin
that's like a very specific scenario
turbid needle
I was just saying when i used it lol
half crater
but yeah, it’s solid competition in the “i don’t really need anything” situation that coin purse dominated
i’ll basically go with it or hourglass from now on prolly
in that situation, at least
charred ruin
god keepsakes->the new keepsake->acorn/tooth for bosses. I don't see much of a reason to run anything else.
half crater
phrased like that, i broadly agree
turbid needle
Anyone have a recommendation for gods that work weel with excalibur?
half crater
i usually grab arty attack+aphro special and shoot for heart rend if i can
fervent mural
just got an|| arthur ||hoarding slash run and i stand with 2200 gold before last boss
thats a lot of damage#
half crater
then just try to collect as many arty crit buffs as i can
fervent mural
but now i am kinda tempted to buy the titan blood
half crater
hunters mark is top of the list
oh also demeter call is hilarious when combo’d with holy aura
especially with greater consecration
enemies basically just stand still lol
just got an|| arthur ||hoarding slash run and i stand with 2200 gold before last boss
nice!
i try to do this but then i always forget and accidentally buy stuff
turbid needle
i just took +200% damage from behind witht he hammer
and i just crit for 1200 with the last slash with backstab
turbid needle
i just got
aphrodite's special
lol
i might try to get heart rend then
swap arrowhead for rose on next floor
barren otter
omg, Zeus' chain lightning absolutely shreds ||the skulls of the Doomstone miniboss|| in EM4 fight.
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329633264258252803/758632725828599858/2020-09-24_16-04-34.mp4 ||
empty veldt
Is it possible to get the the Flurry + Twin shot combo on aspect of rama?
barren otter
I think flurry is not even offered on Rama.
half crater
i was gonna say; i’ve never seen it
but i’ve only recently started playing rama with any regularity, so i dunno what that’s worth
empty veldt
is it not? i'm basing it off what i'm seeing in gamepedia and it doesnt say that flurry shot is incompotible with Rama
half crater
that could be a mistake
a lot of the data on the wiki is incomplete or out of date, due to the nature of early access
now we have 1.0 it will probably get a lot more reliable ofc
empty veldt
i mean it makes sense for rama to have flurry, its so strong
brittle wind
How to trigger privilege using artemis?? Is it only the marked ones??
half crater
i'm pretty sure marked counts, yeah
they obviously its not great for PS
there's no other way, no
crystal flare
Hey, I just reached Elysium for the first time and I'm being indecisive on something..
Which of these Daedalus upgrade on Stygian Blade should I pick:
Flurry Slash : hold attack for rapid strikes, 25 base dmg
Double Edge: dash-strike hits twice, +20% dmg
Dash Nova: Special makes you lunge ahead, sturdy for 0.6s
Boons I have:
Heroic rarity Aphrodite Boon on Attack
Rare Poseidon Boon on Special
none on Dash-Strikes
half crater
i mean, your heroic aphro boon still effects your dash strike
sullen plaza
hey everyone, i keep seeing people say how good the chaos shield is, so i leveled it up to lv3 and have decent success with it, but i'm not understanding how it's so good or how to get the best out of it, any tips/advice?
sullen plaza
so just bull rush -> throw -> repeat and spam lightning strikes?
half crater
specifically you're looking for Static Discharge, as well as either Double Strike, Storm Lightning or High Voltage
any of those three will qualify you for the zeus legendary, splitting bolt
yeah pretty much
this isn't the only chaos build that works, but its pretty dominant in the meta for good reason
untold quiver
@sullen plaza also as you increase heat levels, room clear difficulty increases at a much greater rate then boss difficulty, so something like the Chaos Shield that has high AoE potential becomes more desirable
sullen plaza
ah ok that makes sense
at low / no heat i wasn't seeing the value of the multiple shields that much
half crater
it certainly does shine more at higher heats, as it can be very safe
but its still solid at low heat as well
untold quiver
Yeah at low heat, the things that are great in high heat still do very well, but so does a lot of other stuff, which is awesome, but can lead to some confusion. (Like merciful end)
half crater
there are high heat merciful end runs, tho, aren't there?
i do get what you're saying tho
turbid needle
what heat modifiers should i apply for heat 1 and 2?
EM1/2?
the em1 fight seems really easy still so
half crater
for 2 i'd go EM1 TD1
turbid needle
9m per floor seems lenient so yeah
half crater
yeah its basically free for most people i think
turbid needle
i guess
i'll worry about heat 3 once i beat heat 1 with all weapons
i'm trying to do things properly
lol
turbid needle
I'm gonna just experiment with the heat gauge afterward
I do wnana see all the em fights eventually
And middle management seems fun too
next moss
which one is MM again
turbid needle
minibosses have additional enemies or differnet conditions?
elder tinsel
what is the fire bar on bottom left
next moss
oki
turbid needle
@elder tinsel it's the call bar
elder tinsel
ahhhh
small gorge
combo cluster bomb and rocket bomb is something beyond limit tho
turbid needle
you use right trigger wen you have 1 or more segment filledo r it's entirely filled to use the god's call
untold quiver
@half crater that's what I mean, Merciful end is crazy strong, and tied for the highest damage output with some weapons, but on low heats you might not notice it as much because while it shines, so do a lot of other things
hollow sage
does Doom stack?
half crater
ohh i thought you meant it was good on low heat only and was very confused lol
yeah you're right
untold quiver
I might need to figure something else out for my blade runs, I did not have a good time fighting EM4 final boss with the Artemis Pblade
On the flip side, I got my new heat record AND EM4 clear with The new fists
small gorge
so i got crit special build on rail with cluster bomb and rocket bomb
next moss
lul
untold quiver
I don't like how long you get locked I to the animation with cluster + rocket, but that's just a taste/playstyle thing
untold quiver
Oh yeah that will solve that
turbid needle
i have to say, i'm always impressed by the hermes buffs
they don't seem like a lot but they are actually amazing most of the time
untold quiver
It's why he's limited like the hammers, crazy strong
small gorge
lul so true
turbid needle
i do think i overvalue teh dodge
torn sparrow
Athena's dash and game is a lot easier
untold quiver
Athena's dash is fantastic......forgiving early, strategically punishing later
turbid needle
when you have athena's attack and the challenge room in asphodel is witches
and you just stand in a corner and spam attack until they're dead
next moss
when you have athena's dash and the challenge room in asphodel is witches
small gorge
you know the best offensive is defensive
next moss
i beat that room pacifist once
next moss
i wonder if a pacifist run is possible
small gorge
and he take back tons of damage
half crater
Haelian once won a hades fight without doing anything
like, he didn't even move
he'd stacked revenge a ludicrous amount
half crater
i mean, he definitely took a bunch of damage lol
torn sparrow
And without it ||Charon|| fight is nightmare
half crater
ignore the first 5 hits from a boss
half crater
from eurydice iirc
small gorge
i mean|| charon ||fight isnt that hard if you met him in elysium
when you almost finish your build
next moss
this keepsake is still unused in my save
im gonna start running it
tbh 5 hits seems not better than patroclus for hades
half crater
he does a lot of big hits
next moss
ok i guess that's right
half crater
patroclus would be better if he attacked very quickly
untold quiver
If you get caught up in the adds or the lasers a lot Spearpoint will be better
next moss
lasers are fine
half crater
yeah
next moss
the hands depends on what dash i'm running
turbid needle
is legendary aspect rail with zeus still insane?
hollow sage
patroclus is better for rats and poison, acorn better for hades himself imo
half crater
is legendary aspect rail with zeus still insane?
@turbid needle yup
doing a run with it rn
amazing for any non-hestia rail, basically
half crater
oh man i gotta try and get support fire ofc
lol its been too long since i've done this build
even with just zeus attack, jolted and cold fusion what i did to meg is probably a crime lmao
hardy dragon
so for talos fists I am trying to decide between artemis attack or ares attack. I don't know whether to aim for the artemis/ares duo boon or the artemis/aphrodite, or even the aphrodite/dionysius one
half crater
if you go ares on attack you wanna look into merciful end
ares/athena duo
but hunting blades is never a bad option
warm snow
Fist attack go for cumulative ones such as Dionysus, Demeter Attack
Gun also
For 1 hit like spear special go for Ares
hardy dragon
how about aphrodite attack?
cunning urchin
Nah. None of that.
untold quiver
I have my highest heat run with Aphrodite 4th aspect fists
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike, Curse of Agony, or Divine Strike for Talos.
warm snow
For 1 hit is the best
untold quiver
For the weak application, but granted it's only 13
cunning urchin
Spear Special meta definitely isn't Curse of Pain.
hardy dragon
ares zeus seems good
warm snow
In general, fast attack should go with cumulative effects like Dionysus or Demeter
warm snow
Good
cunning urchin
Just go Lightning Strike + Divine Dash.
warm snow
Go for duo coz they're rare
hardy dragon
what should i get on special?
cunning urchin
It honestly doesn't matter for Talos.
warm snow
What's ur weapon?
cunning urchin
You can splash Lady Demeter on Special to unlock Cold Fusion.
hardy dragon
talos fists
cunning urchin
Need Static Discharge (Jolted) for that, though.
You could splash Lady Aphrodite for Smoldering Air.
hardy dragon
the current seed I have is choices for cast, special, or dash
half crater
poseidon special on talos is hilarious
hardy dragon
so its a question of which god to pick but the options are going to be one of those unless i go out and die
half crater
pointless, but hilarious
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish is a gimmick on Talos.
warm snow
Push ur enemies into traps. Very funny
cunning urchin
Well, easy choice. I would start with the Owl Pendant 100% of the time on Talos. Pick up Divine Strike or Divine Dash or both.
warm snow
Or walls, maybe
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Tempest Flourish is just for memes. It's not very effective.
warm snow
Divine Dash is a must have for me to win
half crater
good meme tho lol
cunning urchin
You can pull enemies into traps just fine with Talos. You don't need knockback boons for that.
half crater
Divine Dash is a must have for me to win
same tbh
cunning urchin
Let me be clearer, the best use of Talos's Special is immediately canceling into Dash after applying the debuff/pull.
Well, like I said: Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike.
Any of those.
warm snow
For high dmg, like gun + 5 bombs, try artemis
cunning urchin
And that's why the Special boon doesn't matter on Talos. You should just use it for the pull/debuff.
half crater
and if you get curse of agony you prolly want merciful end
cunning urchin
It's basically a free slot for you to splash whatever god you want to unlock a Duo Boon you want.
warm snow
Yeah, I just need fast attack Dionysus or Demeter
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike is probably the weakest pick on Talos.
warm snow
I attack a lot so no worry
cunning urchin
By "probably" I mean definitely, to be honest.
hardy dragon
i just got divine dash
warm snow
special is just for fun
cunning urchin
Frost Strike is on the level of Divine Strike in damage, which is okay, but it doesn't provide anywhere near the same utility that Deflect does.
Get Curse of Agony then.
warm snow
For slowing enemies
cunning urchin
Then aim for Divine Flourish next to unlock Merciful End, then go for that.
Yes, slow is okay. Deflect is way stronger, though.
warm snow
Combine with divine dash for defense
untold quiver
Yeah I like Demeter, but she wants a lot more of her boons whereas Athena shines individually
half crater
yeah the answer is FO2 to make them even faster athena
cunning urchin
@hardy dragon anyway, Curse of Agony + Divine Dash is what I did WR with on Talos, so you should be good to go if you have that now. Top priority once you have that is Divine Flourish, so that you have a chance to get Merciful End, which speeds everything up a lot.
hardy dragon
okie doke ill give that a shot!
cunning urchin
warm snow
My favorite god are Ares and Dionysus (just after to those goddess)
Reduce enemies attack
hard holly
Weak doesnt matter
warm snow
So you can survive longer
glass ether
Ah
warm snow
And buff ur attack at the same time
warm snow
Huge advantage
turbid needle
Weak is pretty excellent.
glass ether
Also, is aphrodite call any good now? I think it was rather useless a while ago
turbid needle
Charms one enemy for 5+ seconds, full bar drops 2500 base damage on something.
hardy dragon
uh divine dash or flourish? both are available and are rare quality
glass ether
But Weak is asking for you to get hit, otherwise it doesn't do anything
hardy dragon
okie doke
glass ether
Well, aren't we all
hardy dragon
caustic ambush or caustic favor?
untold quiver
With additional boons Weak also increases damage enemies takes, causes additional hangover stacks, causes additional doom hits, increased critical damage
warm snow
If you chose Divine Dash, try to get Hermes you can dash +2 or ... more times
silk anvil
plus you can build for charm to stack and make bosses almost 24/7 complacent with being punched/shot in the face
(Unless they changed something)
silk anvil
I have some darkness from Poseidon that would beg to differ with you @warm snow
(I swear on me mum, he only ever tries to get me to take his treasure boon. Is this supposed to happen?)
chrome geyser
high damage is survival except bosses
hardy dragon
should i pick caustic ambush or caustic favor?
chrome geyser
depends on your build
chrome geyser
from the wiki for chaos favor; Also increase the chance of Epic and Legendary boons by +10%
Is this really true?
warm snow
The rest are boring now
Maybe
Chaos are super duper if you get luck
I long for Chaos gates
hardy dragon
its the talos fists merciful end
keen carbon
any tips on builds with excalibur?
warm snow
Ares attack
hardy dragon
thats why i am trying to figure out which chaos boon to pick
chrome geyser
If its +legendary; then it needs to be known. I thought only chance to level a boon up by %
silk anvil
from the wiki for chaos favor; Also increase the chance of Epic and Legendary boons by +10%
Is this really true?
@chrome geyser
Big if true; it would mean you could do flip-side mirror and not sacrifice rare+ boons
chrome geyser
Ares attack?
warm snow
Try to stand in the aurora (special)
keen carbon
artemis attacks?
lunar salmon
holy heck ||em4 is dirty||
silk anvil
It hits hard at base value, just hits harder with crit @keen carbon
chrome geyser
I go for athena attack; to get good % increase on the main attack and possibility of deadly reversal which is great
keen carbon
ah makes sense
warm snow
The time is tight, I can attack 1 time and run. No room for 2nd, 3rd attack
chrome geyser
is it spoiler content?
Ares is good if you can apply it regularly on long intervals
warm snow
So no buff for high dmg
chrome geyser
Like the bow volley, or rail bombard, or fists strike
Yeah; if the base damage is high; the % and some way to crit on that is the way to go
chrome geyser
i feel like elysium is not spoiler material
warm snow
so my best tips are
- press special to create the ||aurora|| and try to stand within it to reduce damage
- run to somewhere safe, press special then dash to your enemies
that's way you can make the || aurora || near your enemies without taking a lot of damage
the boon for attack, special is your choice
this sword is so powerful but only if you use it the right way
for dash, my favorite is always Athena's Divine Dash (all the time)
hardy dragon
concentrated knuckle, quake cutter, or breaching cross for talos fists?
hardy dragon
kk
hardy dragon
breaching cross is dash strike that deals 900% dmg to armor
warm snow
dash attack is also very good
hardy dragon
hmm well i need breaching cross for prophecy
warm snow
go for it if you want
but armor is not the biggest threat
not hard to beat
even Theseus
the biggest difficulty is in the region after Elysium's Theseus and Asterius
don't worry about the armor foes
I can beat them without too much effort
hollow sage
i feel like anti armor is a crutch
i haven't taken any in a while, if your build is good you don't need it
warm snow
I have problems with Elite foes in the Styx Temple and the last boss - || Hades ||
the rest are pretty easy to beat - just observe their attack patterns and react accordingly
chrome geyser
anti armor is good if you don't have good insulation for elysium foes; and can be very useful in clearing that part. It becomes better if you have a couple heat options on that makes armored enemies really challenging.
But I agree that I rather pick something that applies all the time; and not just towards elite enemies.
cunning urchin
@hardy dragon Breaching Cross is the best hammer you can get on Talos.
cunning urchin
Because you do +900% damage to armor?
cunning urchin
That's fine. A couple dash-strikes is all you need to break any armor.
It's not "better" on Talos, that's just the aspect Dedmosh is using.
hardy dragon
why is armor breaking so good tho
chrome geyser
ok i got you
hardy dragon
is what i really shouldve asked
dammit
should i choose hermes or hammer?
i already have greatest reflex
cunning urchin
You can't stun enemies while they have armor.
cunning urchin
I'd take the hammer.
chrome geyser
i try to max out on hermes early so he doesnt occupy a slot in styx. But hammer takes precedence
thoughts on kinetic launcher on fists?
hardy dragon
yea id say especially bc i already have extra two dashes
ruthless reflex dashes i mean
cunning urchin
I don't care for Kinetic Launcher, personally. It's not bad, it's also not my first pick ever.
chrome geyser
hermes has a lot of good stuff going on. he is not only your source of dash
warm snow
I love side hustle
cunning urchin
Side Hustle is trash.
warm snow
Obol = diamond or titan blood
chrome geyser
I have so much of those
warm snow
coz I spend all my Obol for boons
chrome geyser
I wish i never tried to buy them. I have too many
Its much easier now with all the new prophecies
void fjord
side hustle is a good UC boon
lol i have a ss of cleaning up the final shop
bought everything
cunning urchin
You're saying the best thing about it is that you can sell it?
I can agree with that.
void fjord
i only take it if its epic
chrome geyser
They reenabled it?
chrome geyser
That was fun
empty veldt
Is aspect of lucifer's special useful or am i just using it wrong
chrome geyser
It is useful if you get cluster or triple
cunning urchin
So, there you go. Side Hustle is for whenever the other options are worse and you want to sell it.
chrome geyser
other than that i use it only for status application
I try to make it explode using dash
and just drop one when im reloading ammo
void fjord
or if AP2 screws u over
covert grove
AP2 
chrome geyser
AP is straight out not fun
cunning urchin
There's quite a bit of strategy in dealing with AP2. That's fun.
chrome geyser
only tried it for the fates. Takes building out of the equation which i dont think is fun
What is the strategy to deal with?
cunning urchin
You can still do builds with AP2. You just can't easily build whatever overpowered build you can think of.
chrome geyser
I like gameplay wise difficulties more
chrome geyser
Satisfy requirements; then pray to rngesus
brittle wind
I got tons of duo but only one legendary for my fated list
void fjord
have you gotten the codex upgrade for boons?
brittle wind
yes
void fjord
refer to that
and get the mirror upgrade that helps getting duos and legendaries
even though u dont need it
brittle wind
done that too... still too hard lol
chrome geyser
You can still do builds with AP2. You just can't easily build whatever overpowered build you can think of.
@cunning urchin while i strive to get broken builds; that's usually what I end up building anyway. No forcing gods with trinkets for example.
void fjord
lol then pray to rngsus
brittle wind
lol yeah
random hull
Use Fated Authority to change room rewards into the god you are after.
brittle wind
I though there is a secret to getting one
Use Fated Authority to change room rewards into the god you are after.
@random hull hmm... this sounds interesting
lemme try next time
chrome geyser
there are requirements; and it was made more difficult on the game release
cunning urchin
Honestly, when I don't run AP2, I just build for Smoldering Air practically every time and waltz through the whole thing spamming some broken Call every 5 seconds lol.
chrome geyser
for most; you need two more boons on top of one of the main boons that enable it. For demeter; for example; you need her on either attack, special, dash or call AND have 2 out of three for artic blast, killing freeze, ravenous will
cunning urchin
Using Persuasion for a chance at a better boon or saving it to avoid forced exchanges is something you really need to consider with AP2. Also, whose boon you choose out of 2–3 options or whether you choose a boon at all matters a whole lot more.
chrome geyser
Which calls are good in your opinion
cunning urchin
Anything that isn't Demeter's Aid or Artemis' Aid, to be honest.
chrome geyser
And i don't understand why smouldering air caps your bar at 25% while there is a hermes boon that does the same without capping
brittle wind
I loves poseidon at first... then dyonisus actually better... but later athena seems broken
solid cairn
should I be building nemesis around the dash strike
brittle wind
24 second invincible is not funny
chrome geyser
Athena is better than ares and poseidon; cause you can attack
With smouldering air; you can't do the greater call
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air charges your 25% in 5 seconds. Quick Favor in comparison takes forever.
void fjord
https://imgur.com/a/tys4wfH @brittle wind heres me getting aphro legendary inn tartarus lol
reef galleon
How strange
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, Ares' Aid is also meh. It's a lot better than it used to be, though.
brittle wind
LOL yeah
reef galleon
I got the same boon in tartarus recently, legendary too
kind glen
What build/boons do you guys aim for with Aspect of ||Arthur||? As much as I enjoy the weapon I can't clear my runs with it. I'm on Heat 6 if that helps any, thanks!
chrome geyser
which weapon? It's great cash for selling actually
solid cairn
on arther you want phat crits
chrome geyser
Either artemis or athena on attack; try to go for deadly reversal
empty veldt
@kind glen i do artemis on attack boons and try to get attack speed on hermes
kind glen
Oh okay cool, thanks guys
void fjord
or aphro attack
solid cairn
oh ye attack speed is huge
chrome geyser
And try to add some weak for heart rend
brittle wind
arthur you can go aphro and athena... full on defense
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid is arguably the best Call in the game. I think Athena's Aid is good but very overrated.
void fjord
i enjoy ares aid
brittle wind
I love poseidon call
kind glen
I lucked out too I had 30% speed buff but still couldn't clear it.. Too used to cheesinf with poseidon sword/Artemis cast
chrome geyser
Both dionysus; athena and aphrodite gives good damage resistance; to go along with your extra hp and damage reduction for arthur
kind glen
I'll try both crit build and defense build and see which works best for me
empty veldt
i got heart rend on arthur sword and the back attack daedalus crit for 3k on the final combo iirc @kind glen
cunning urchin
@kind glen Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike or Divine Strike.
chrome geyser
YOu can add evasion when you can; arthur long backswings mean you get hit more often
cunning urchin
And . . . that's it. That's the build.
solid cairn
slash binches
cunning urchin
Divine Dash.
empty veldt
just to confirm, does heartbreak strike have the biggest raw damage multiplier?
kind glen
Haha okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for all the good info guys
cunning urchin
@empty veldt yes.
void fjord
Can i get in the hall of fame if i do a run solely with dio dash
chrome geyser
aphrodite has thebiggest raw increases
cunning urchin
and girl*
chrome geyser
probability wise artemis outdamages aphrodite though
cunning urchin
@void fjord pretty sure that's been done.
solid cairn
nemesis sword is a beast with the double dashstrike
empty veldt
oh yeah for sure @chrome geyser
chrome geyser
not sure how it works with pressure points; probably aphrodite wins
empty veldt
also i tried asking this before
void fjord
not dio
empty veldt
but can aspect of Rama have flurry upgrade?
chrome geyser
All my poms go to pressure points if I get it anyway
void fjord
i dont think so
cunning urchin
Lady Artemis doesn't outdamage Lady Aphrodite, no.
chrome geyser
wiki says it's kosher
empty veldt
gamepedia says its compatible but not sure if its right
cunning urchin
You'll need quite a bit of extra +% sources for Deadly Strike or Flourish to beat Heartbreak.
chrome geyser
at base; i remember some calculation that artemis outdamages aphrodite without anything else
cunning urchin
She doesn't.
chrome geyser
but barely
cunning urchin
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
void fjord
if you want a stupid spear run get 3 things. Hammer that makes you do triple dash attack, arty attack and athena dash
attack is what ever you want
empty veldt
which is best bow aspect?
solid cairn
chiron is big underrated
empty veldt
chiron pretty fun
cunning urchin
Second sheet compares +% Attack boons averaged for crits.
void fjord
for me its between rama or hera
solid cairn
I don't really enjoy the bow though
cunning urchin
Third sheet is averaged for crits on Nemesis.
hearty elbow
Artemis will vastly outdamage Aphro if you start getting external % damage sources
But never at base
chrome geyser
well apparently it does on common
void fjord
you'll need chaos boons for that
chrome geyser
but who gets common
cunning urchin
I wouldn't say "vastly", it's still pretty close. Unless you're speedrunning with 3–4x Lunge boons from Master Chaos or something.
chrome geyser
but for sure; with a chaos artemis is better no?
hearty elbow
A lot of hammers give additive % bonuses too
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's true.
chrome geyser
If you can get other crit sources aphrodite and chaos will also outdamage too
empty veldt
what about base bow vs rama fully upgraded. which is better?
cunning urchin
But Heartbreak Strike also benefits more from poms.
chrome geyser
Oh its pom scaling is better hmm
hearty elbow
Pom scaling is near non-existent on Artemis lol 😦
chrome geyser
I wish poms scaled crit chance instead with artemis
cunning urchin
Not exactly non-existent.
chrome geyser
which duo needs artemis on attack or special?
solid cairn
that would probably be too good
hearty elbow
It's like +6% from 2 -> 3 isn't it?
solid cairn
arte is good as is
cunning urchin
At some point, Deadly Strike gets +5% average damage from each pom while all the other +% boons only get +4%.
chrome geyser
I know merciful end and deadly reversal needs athena on attack or flourish now
cunning urchin
Basically, because they all get +4% base damage, but for Deadly Strike that's +5% on average due to crits.
hearty elbow
Oh that's cool, didn't know it had a higher floor than the other God[desses]
solid cairn
hunter dash giving just a damage up is great
cunning urchin
So it catches up if you go high enough.
chrome geyser
Getting to levels higher than 4 are pretty inconsistent though