h1-builds-and-combat

[magic dagger]

@Tailesque#4664

o0f

[mighty ermine]

lol

[silk anvil]

as stygian casts just dislodge invisibly and disappear
@mighty ermine
Oh, I was thinking stygian blade, not the dark mirror buff

[fervent canyon]

One other build I want to try that I haven’t messed with is a revenge focused build

[magic dagger]

they work

[fervent canyon]

Just punish anyone who touches me lol

[magic dagger]

vengeful mood and you're set

[silk anvil]

punish people even without touching you

[fervent canyon]

Hey guys chaos buffs don’t work well with flat damage like Zeus, ares, Dionysus do they? I’ve noticed if my build is built around status effects I don’t always go chaos because I assume the x% damage applies to the hit itself, not any damage apart from that

Is my thinking correct?

[ebon tinsel]

which of the hidden aspects are most worth investing into? i jave all unlocked at lvl 1 (bow at 2)

[livid comet]

spear

bow ig

the others are meh

[ebon tinsel]

is shield even worth using over chaos even post nerf?

[livid comet]

actually, not sure about wulf shield

[ebon tinsel]

hidden shield i mean

[spark lotus]

@fervent canyon chaos boons are for pure damage, that's true

[fervent canyon]

Got it

[spark lotus]

or for gold

[fervent canyon]

So if I’m leaning hangover or doom prob not worth taking chaos most times

Maybe for extra health but other than that

[livid comet]

Doom was pretty good on chaos shield

[spark lotus]

yes. sometimes SOME additional damage is still good, but it's a rare case

[livid comet]

not sure what's changed about shield now tho

[spark lotus]

Chiron can have good pure damage on its' own and have other types of damage

[ebon tinsel]

like what is the best investment for shield rn?

[livid comet]

uhh

don't?

[ebon tinsel]

lmao

[fervent canyon]

I still think chaos is best shield, they nerfed it a bit but still good

[livid comet]

fists are better at what shield used to do

[fervent canyon]

You just have to try and stop right in front of people now and then throw

Rather than rush past them

[unkempt pagoda]

honestly i'm thinking zag shield is the best investment rn

[livid comet]

yup

zag shield was my first ever win

[unkempt pagoda]

beowulf's best build has nothing to do with its blood upgrades

[livid comet]

man I remember those days

[silk anvil]

I really need to try out Shields huh ;-; the method is just throwing it everywhere?

[livid comet]

but also, you no longer have to use heat to get more blood

[ebon tinsel]

zag shield really?

[silk anvil]

I do like the charge-n-targe rush of it, though it takes a minute for the casts to go off

[livid comet]

so things have changed significantly since the days of early access

[ebon tinsel]

w what build?

[silk anvil]

but also, you no longer have to use heat to get more blood
@livid comet
Also what?

[livid comet]

yup

you can farm up blood and diamonds on 0 heat

[unkempt pagoda]

beowulf is just using charged throw and spamming special

[silk anvil]

Not just talking about buying it with other materials, are you?

[ebon tinsel]

and what is beo's best build? cast?

[livid comet]

yup, and fishing at the end zones

[fervent canyon]

@silk anvil for chaos aspect method used to be just spam special

Because they would shoot out from you at every direction

Now they shoot out in front of you like a shotgun blast

So you just have to be more precise

[unkempt pagoda]

and what is beo's best build? cast?

beowulf is just using charged throw and spamming special

[fervent canyon]

It’s pretty fun if you get Zeus special, ares special

You still spam special, just a bit more precisely now

[unkempt pagoda]

beowulf's actual intended playstyle is underwhelming imo

[worldly trellis]

Okay I just got lucifer and I need a hand figuring this out. Does each tick of damage count as an attack?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[silk anvil]

Another pain with trying out new weapon aspects is that I think something is underwhelming because its damage isnt there unless its upgraded

[worldly trellis]

like if I took artemis attack each tick would be able to crit?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[worldly trellis]

jesus that sounds insane

[unkempt pagoda]

get support fire and/or lightning strike

[magic dagger]

and what is beo's best build? cast?
@ebon tinsel if you use it right, cast builds with beo can be really good

[unkempt pagoda]

lucy is the epitome of "lightning strike go brrr"

[worldly trellis]

LMAO

[magic dagger]

special is easier, but casts work

[fervent canyon]

Lightning strike and pressure points right?

Prob a good combo

[unkempt pagoda]

support fire

[fervent canyon]

Por que no los dos

[silk anvil]

That being said, why is Beowulf in particular good with charged shield throw? I dont see its damage inherently being better on all attacks, I thought it just modified the charged basic attack to be like Hera's bow?

[unkempt pagoda]

if you use it right, cast builds with beo can be really good
from what i hear, passion flare is the best cast on it

[prisma dove]

Which weapon is better suited for a Poseidon Build?

[ebon tinsel]

thanks for info everyone

[silk anvil]

his sword obviously @prisma dove ||this is a joke, ofc||

[unkempt pagoda]

beowulf has bigger base damage across the board, but also slower recoveries. charged throw takes advantage of the bigger base damage while also getting rid of the slow recovery if you just tap it

[prisma dove]

oh my god i forgot it existed

oh my god im dense

[unkempt pagoda]

or you can charge it and deal mega big damage

[prisma dove]

you can charge it

??

tf

[unkempt pagoda]

Which weapon is better suited for a Poseidon Build?
pos sword with blizzard shot (demeter duo)

[mighty ermine]

with the charged flight hammer yes lol

[unkempt pagoda]

apparently it's actually charged throw, not flight lol

[mighty ermine]

oh oops, was prob thinking of dashing flight and mixed up the names

[unkempt pagoda]

don't know how that caught on but

[prisma dove]

hmmmhm

[charred ruin]

I've been working on an "advanced" video guide for Hades, covering the ranges of 0-20 heat. How to build the character during a run, how to avoid getting hit etc.

I could use some peer review from other experienced players to make sure I didn't write anything inaccurate or forgot something important.
^ Any help on this would be very appreciated. Just reading the script and making sure all the info is a-ok.

[unkempt pagoda]

blizzard shot is already one of the best casts in the game, pos sword just increases the damage too

[prisma dove]

Oohh

Is there a graph with tiers for which boons are overall better?

[unkempt pagoda]

this can also work with achilles spear but then you have to play achilles spear

[prisma dove]

yeah i never use the spears save for Guan Yu's

[silk anvil]

Guan Yu is just fun

[prisma dove]

Even then its because i really like spamming the dash attack with the Daedalus enchantment of three dash attacks

[mighty ermine]

rest in peace 40 shard damage blizzard shot

[sharp shadow]

I'd like pierced butterfly a lot more if magma didnt exist lol

[unkempt pagoda]

did it get nerfed

[ebon tinsel]

well i got charged flight on second room what boons pair well with it (beo shield)

[magic dagger]

damage

[mighty ermine]

yeah, back in blood price, went from 40 per shard to 20

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis or aphrodite

still really good though lol

[magic dagger]

blizzard shot is good

but it was better back then

[unkempt pagoda]

i can say the same for quite a lot of things now

[prisma dove]

I don't think i have seen that Duo boon yet, what does it do?

[magic dagger]

you know what I really miss though?
dual shot

[unkempt pagoda]

I don't think i have that Duo boon unlocked yet, what does it do?
makes your flood shot slow, pierce foes, and fires icy shards that deal 20 damage each

[mighty ermine]

proxy getting a workout today

[magic dagger]

[prisma dove]

Im so used to cursing

[unkempt pagoda]

dual shot lives on in artemis/pos

[prisma dove]

But that sounds great!

[unkempt pagoda]

and any of their adjacent cast duos love it

[magic dagger]

dual shot lives on in artemis/pos
it does not
the true dual shot has perished. It lives on in my heart, but cannot be found in the world without.

dual shot was attainable on the first run

[prisma dove]

Im assuming Dual Shot just let you shoot two bloodstones instead of one

[magic dagger]

it was my friend. it accompanied me on my first true journey

[unkempt pagoda]

dual shot is now the artemis/poseidon duo, mirage shot

[magic dagger]

the first time I won on the first run in a file

[unkempt pagoda]

any cast you shoot has a secondary cast that deals less damage

[winged patio]

is dual shot the double arrows or na

[magic dagger]

twin shot is double arrows

dual shot was patched out of the game

[prisma dove]

God i want the screen to fill with green arrows

[unkempt pagoda]

it was just turned into a duo boon lol

[magic dagger]

dual shot was patched out of the game
this pale imposter will never truly replace it

[pallid veldt]

I hadn't seen double cast in so long

and then it popped up as a duo

[mighty ermine]

God i want the screen to fill with green arrows
you can still do this with +attack speed fists or hidden rail

[unkempt pagoda]

or true shot pos sword

fully loaded, mirage shot, flurry cast

true shot go brr

[modest saddle]

Am I the only one feeling somewhat underwhelmed by most of Aphrodite's boons? S:

[solid cairn]

It’s raw damage and a free status effect

[modest saddle]

So are a lot of other boons tho

[fervent canyon]

Aphro has highest damage mod I think

Unless they nerfed for 1.0

[silk anvil]

Am I the only one feeling somewhat underwhelmed by most of Aphrodite's boons? S:
@modest saddle
It's fun when you can charm bosses the entire fight

[jaunty solar]

highest damage call yes

unless artemis crits like 9x

[unkempt pagoda]

aphro has the largest damage modifiers for both attack and special i believe

[solid cairn]

Si

[silk anvil]

love hurts

[solid cairn]

I mean if you run nemesis you can go Artemis attack and aphro special

Did they nerf the Artemis aphro duo

[modest saddle]

Idunno, I've had way better runs using other's boons than hers, tbh. I dread being forced to go into an aphro chamber because more times than not, her abilities don't really work with the builds I make.

I've tried diff builds and like hers only really fit in a situation where you wanna do tons of damage, but you're only focusing one enemy at a time which is good in certain situations.

[mighty ermine]

her base attack and special boons are so strong on high base damage weapons/moves that she can pretty much work right outta the box by herself

[solid cairn]

Did they nerf heart rend at some point

[mighty ermine]

nope

still turns crits from a 3.0x mult to 4.5x

[fervent canyon]

Aphro attack on nemesis aspect

[modest saddle]

I've never had any situation where her boons helped me effectively, tbh.

[fervent canyon]

Ez

[mighty ermine]

that was exactly what i did on a recent 45 heat run lol

crit machine go brrrr

[solid cairn]

Wouldn’t you take Artemis attack on nemesis doe

[silk anvil]

I've never had any situation where her boons helped me effectively, tbh.
@modest saddle
I will say, it can be hard to appreciate a measly 10% damage modifier on enemy damage, or 30% more heals etc from her; and if you're trying to get damage from other gods, it can be a toughie to put up with her non-synergistic boons

But if you lean into her stuff, I think she has good self-synergy

[mighty ermine]

not if you can get aphro instead, since the higher additive damage benefits way more from frequent crits, which nemesis can get plenty of even without any artemis

[fervent canyon]

^

[magic dagger]

Wouldn’t you take Artemis attack on nemesis doe
it's pretty good, especially with aphrodite special and heartrend

[silk anvil]

And if you're mainly using it for just a base DPS increase, ^^

[narrow rampart]

her t2s are great imo

[fervent canyon]

Fully upgraded nemesis Crits so often

You just want high base damage

For the crit to multiply on

[narrow rampart]

make weakened enemies deal even less damage, make weakened enemies take more damage, make weak last longer

all good in my books

[magic mountain]

does aphro have highest base damage on attack compared ot th eother gods?

[magic dagger]

yep

[narrow rampart]

yep

special too

[solid cairn]

Man I missed playing this game

[magic mountain]

you probably jsut want it for the weaken right. i dont really get her that often so i dont know much about her duos and synergies

[solid cairn]

Ah back when the boons were just floating pngs

[silk anvil]

TFW I wanna play right now, but have real life stuff to do right now >:c

[solid cairn]

The game started to feel samey but I think I was looking at it the wrong way

[modest saddle]

@silk anvil I usually go for an all-round build if I can. My best build is chain damage with zues/Artemis crits and support fire. I'm pretty bad at dodging so I usually do deflect dodging. Lol

[silk anvil]

@livid comet , did you ever say how to farm diamonds/blood on 0heat? If so, sorry I missed it

@silk anvil I usually go for an all-round build if I can. My best build is chain damage with zues/Artemis crits and support fire. I'm pretty bad at dodging so I usually do deflect dodging. Lol
@modest saddle
No shame in putting deflection on a fast attacking weapon yo

[solid cairn]

Guan yu speen Artemis attack

[silk anvil]

2k crit spear thrower

[magic mountain]

I've been doing runs just to get my gil aspect for my gauntlets so i can try them out. rn im running a demeter and dio with beo aspect shield

[bright flint]

about the new fist aspect ||anyone press dash only once but Zag dash twice? Is this a bug or is that how the weapon works?||

[silk anvil]

about the new fist aspect ||anyone press dash only once but Zag dash twice? Is this a bug or is that how the weapon works?||
@bright flint
The interaction between its dash modifier and your default dashes is a bit odd

I thought my friend and I figured it out to basically be +3 to the number of dashes you have, but I could be wrong. Either way, they were just a bit clunky to use I feel, felt like a slightly off zag aspect

[bright flint]

so it register my dash and its dash at the same time?

[silk anvil]

Maybe your input gets held a bit longer than you think it does, is my only thought @bright flint

[bright flint]

it's super inconsistent too if that's the case

[onyx parcel]

Dark regen or vitality?

I use to think regen is good

[silk anvil]

Are you on computer? If so, bust out an oscilloscope and determine your keyboard output timings

[onyx parcel]

But it seems like I would heal more with vitality

[bright flint]

sometimes it dash twice sometimes it dash once, and I waited around for the dash to refill

yeah i'm using kb + mouse

i like vitality more

now that i don't pick the darkness that often

even when I first played the game I still went for vitality

[onyx parcel]

Yea I prob should pick vitality huh? Especially when I have dark foresight

I’m using dark regen and most of the times I skip other meta currency for darkness just for the heals

And now I have a lot of darkness

But no gems and keys

LOL

[magic mountain]

just finished my shield run, going to do a guan yu. whats the best thing to do for that aspect?

[marsh dawn]

Don’t get hit

[onyx parcel]

just finished my shield run, going to do a guan yu. whats the best thing to do for that aspect?
@magic mountain have u tried dodging the enemies’ attacks?

[magic mountain]

i got that

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis charged skewer

[onyx parcel]

Go for quick spin hammer upgrade

I think

Quick spin always good

[magic mountain]

just got to pray to the gods that i dont get hit then

[silk anvil]

Been a minute since playing with it, but Guan Yu had a fun spear throw with crit build, or you can slap deflection on your main attack to have a deflecting spin to win

Beyond that, get some hearts of terrasque to avoid getting one-punch-manned

[magic mountain]

that sounds like fun, havent used the aspect since it first came out tbh. wasnt good at the game at the time so i think i can make it work now that ive gotten a lot better since then

[bright flint]

also get the Ares boon where you get increase dmg for killing enemy

you basically one shot everything

[magic mountain]

does that stack?

[prime berry]

Can you get Curse of Drowning on Hera bow?

[magic mountain]

i cant imagine that it does

[silk anvil]

No, I believe damage applies to next instance of damage you di

So kill something, and then throw your spear for some big numbers

[marsh dawn]

Which cast do you guys typically prefer?

[silk anvil]

and hopefully that will kill something, so you can just do it again until the room is cleared

Which cast do you guys typically prefer?
@marsh dawn
Playtime will say aphrodite for my Poseidon sword, but recently I wanna be an AOE spammer and go for dio boons and duos

party cloud of lightning and ice

[marsh dawn]

Aphrodite? Interesting. I usually see that as one of the worse casts

[ember ermine]

I like the Artemis cast a lot

[bright flint]

how does poseidon works with dio cast though? do you hit the cloud and it becomes cast again?

[magic mountain]

Which cast do you guys typically prefer?
@marsh dawn I like using artemis cast compare to the others

[marsh dawn]

Do you run multi cast or regen cast?

[magic mountain]

i dont think so

[silk anvil]

I would equip aphrodite trinket, grab her cast, pom of power it to do like 250 damage by room 2, then hit people with a casual 750, and use Pois sword to do it all again @marsh dawn

[bright flint]

so it just increase the damage then?

[silk anvil]

With pois build, I would do multicast

[magic mountain]

so it just increase the damage then?
@bright flint i think so, since poseidon aspect dislodges them from physical enemies

[silk anvil]

For AOE I kinda enjoy the timer cast, but I've not experimented as much as I would want, recently

[unkempt pagoda]

trippy shot doesn't lodge, so pos sword's dislodging function wouldn't work

[magic mountain]

Do you run multi cast or regen cast?
@marsh dawn I like going for multi cast with artemis

[unkempt pagoda]

the only use would be the damage increase

[marsh dawn]

Aphrodite cast lodges?

[magic mountain]

its like a shotgun blast

[ember ermine]

What's a fun build for the adamant rail. It's the one that I just haven't found very fun to use so far and was wondering if there's like boons and stuff that work well with it to make it feel more, useful

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[marsh dawn]

I thought it was just a shotgun type

[unkempt pagoda]

only dio cast, ares cast, and demeter cast explicitly do not lodge

[marsh dawn]

@ember ermine Dio on special. Hammer upgrades for slow and cluster bomb

[unkempt pagoda]

there are some duo boons that also don't lodge, but for base casts those are the only three

[ember ermine]

thanks

[magic mountain]

What's a fun build for the adamant rail. It's the one that I just haven't found very fun to use so far and was wondering if there's like boons and stuff that work well with it to make it feel more, useful
@ember ermine zeus attack with jolt and boucing lightning bolts is fun. other than that you can go spread fire with artemis attack

[unkempt pagoda]

What's a fun build for the adamant rail. It's the one that I just haven't found very fun to use so far and was wondering if there's like boons and stuff that work well with it to make it feel more, useful
flurry fire, zeus attack

[silk anvil]

I just want adamant rail to automatically reload ;-;
Idk what it is about hades, because I reload constantly in every FPS

[marsh dawn]

It should reload on a near miss dodge imo

[magic mountain]

wasnt there an old hammer upgrade for rail that you didnt have to reload at all lmao

[silk anvil]

But something is very maddening about being able to continue holding down the trigger to click click click at enemies until I remember "oh right, I have to reload"

wasnt there an old hammer upgrade for rail that you didnt have to reload at all lmao
@magic mountain
Yeah, that makes it objectively terrible and slow

[unkempt pagoda]

when you run out of ammo, you already reload automatically

[magic mountain]

yeah i remember lmao

[silk anvil]

when you run out of ammo, you already reload automatically
@unkempt pagoda
When you let go of the trigger, yeah

[unkempt pagoda]

wasnt there an old hammer upgrade for rail that you didnt have to reload at all lmao
this is delta chamber now it's a trap option

[silk anvil]

too many button
grug man cant compute
grug man anger at game >:c

[bronze geyser]

I think it also reloads when you dash, unless that's me subconsciously letting go of fire for a sec

[unkempt pagoda]

the reload animation can be canceled with dash, but the dash itself doesn't reload

[silk anvil]

See with fists I'm constantly holding down fire and dashing between people; I just cant extend the same courtesy to my gun skills ;-;

[marsh dawn]

I almost always run special for damage and just use the attack for debuffs with rail

[worldly trellis]

my god, is lucifer broken or does it just feel broken?

[marsh dawn]

Because the reload is rough

[ebon tinsel]

i find lucifer feels weak but im kinda bad so XD

well new rather than bad

[magic mountain]

what do you normally run on lucifer?

[unkempt pagoda]

lucy's alright

[magic mountain]

i like lucy

last time i used him I did dio and aphro run on him

[unkempt pagoda]

tried to make hazard bomb lucy work for a while but it didn't work out

[magic mountain]

with dio attack since i took the hammer that lets me shoot it infinitely but with no ramp damage

yeah i tried that too but never had any winning runs with it

[unkempt pagoda]

the idea was getting flash fire later to safely activate the bombs, and using infernal soul beforehand

[bright flint]

Get zeus attack on lucy for a good time

[quiet maple]

what do you guys suggest between priviliged status/family favourite and olympian favor/dark foresight?

[magic mountain]

depends what weapon im usaing tbh

[spice rover]

for PS/FF - depends on what kind of run you're hoping for. If you're just running and not really working on anything specific, probably FF. If you're looking to go fo specific boons like trying to get Merciful End or Ice wine or something where you're going for gods that have active debuffs, go for PS.

[quiet maple]

I haven't been playing for long, so I'm trying to max out one of the two passives in the mirror and stick to that

[spice rover]

For the other option, I tend to stick to Olympian Favor. +rarity on boons is super nice.

[quiet maple]

rarity means better damage/stats right?

[ebon tinsel]

Yep

[quiet maple]

I just got to ||hades|| for the first time with a hungover shield build

quite tough

[spice rover]

yeah, each boon has different ranges on whatever it is modifying based on rarity for whatever the effect is.

How many attempts are you at now?

Also, might want to spoiler tag the boss

[gilded orbit]

Hello everyone, question for you

[quiet maple]

31 on hell mode

[magic mountain]

hi pino

[quiet maple]

Is it bad? D:

[gilded orbit]

If my attack and my special both inflict hangover, at different damage, will they stack separately?

[magic mountain]

nah they stack as one

[gilded orbit]

At what damage?

I have attack 5 and special 7

Will it stack based on first hit, maybe?

[pseudo stream]

any secret new fists stuff other than extra dashes, slow punches, and the cool dash upper?

[magic mountain]

hmm thats a good question. maybe it overwrites once you hit with the higer one

might ask one of the QA guys

[spice rover]

@quiet maple not bad. I haven't run hell mode tbh so not sure about what all is different, I just imagine it's generally harder. For me, I made it to the final boss a few times but didn't actually get a clear until like attempt 31 or 32, so you're def getting there.

[gilded orbit]

Where to ask?

I'm very curious now

[marsh dawn]

I think hell mode is only harder due to the 5 permanent heat right?

[quiet maple]

yes I believe that's the difference

[worldly trellis]

yea

is personal liability available on normal mode?

its locked by default on hell mode

[quiet maple]

When I created the save I didn't think the game would already be a challenge on standard, so I selected hell mode

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, it’s an option

[mighty ermine]

@dire pasture the bow special and chiron are working as intended there. bolts from thunder flourish have an internal cooldown of 0.2s, meaning that you will not get a bolt strike for every single arrow in chiron's volley because of how quickly they hit in succession

[marsh dawn]

It took me twelve attempts to finish a run on normal mode. Wonder how many it will take for my hell save later on

[worldly trellis]

took me 54 on hell mode

[quiet maple]

Sometimes I really can't get a decent build and know I will fail early on

[worldly trellis]

but it was my first save

[dire pasture]

Working as intended, but not intuitive and that was the root of my feedback. There's nothing in the rules conveyed to the player that it won't work, and then you try it and go 'Oh, where's the rest of the damage?'

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, I kind of regret not starting on hell

[magic mountain]

what does everyone think about Pino's questino. does hangover stacking overwrite eachother?

since one does 5 and the other does 7

[marsh dawn]

No, the timers are separate

[magic mountain]

wait really?

thats great

@gilded orbit the timers are seperate

I legit didnt know that

[marsh dawn]

To my knowledge^

[spark lotus]

@mighty ermine I think the problem is that cooldown is never mentioned in-game

[magic mountain]

im gonna try it out after this guan yu run

[marsh dawn]

I just did a Dio rail build and that seemed to be the case.

[spark lotus]

Or at least not somewhere visible

[livid comet]

@silk anvil yeah, it's Charon and fishes mostly

[worldly trellis]

I'm trying a doom lucy build right now. I have garbage aoe but my single-target dmg is insane

[marsh dawn]

Doom can be so fun

[magic mountain]

maybe you can run that with aphro since the duo boon for ares and aphro is good for doom

[spark lotus]

I'm guessing that Lucy doom with Dire Misfortune could be insane

[magic mountain]

sounds broken

i like it

[worldly trellis]

thats exactly what im running lol

[magic mountain]

lmao

[worldly trellis]

dio offered my trippy shot and I wish I'd taken it tbh, my aoe is really lacking

[magic mountain]

im doing that with guan yu atm too

[spark lotus]

But I'd try putting Doom on special for best initial doom damage

[magic mountain]

ya

[mighty ermine]

@spark lotus fair, and i'm not opposed to that information being conveyed ingame! but i don't think zeus bolts could be changed so easily (especially now after 1.0) to feel more "intuitive" since the internal cooldown exists already, likely for balance reasons

[marsh dawn]

The aphro/ares duo is only good if you have a consistent way of applying weak

[magic mountain]

ive got aphro attack and ares special

The aphro/ares duo is only good if you have a consistent way of applying weak
@marsh dawn very true

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, when I had that duo I only had weak on my revenge, which only applied near me every three seconds.

Wasn’t great

[spark lotus]

Aphro has weak prolongation

[magic mountain]

yeah i can imagine since proc on it is every three seconds and thats on the enemies around you

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, but when your only source is the revenge tick it’s rough. You have to stay right next to the enemy and hope it hits them instead of another one.

[spark lotus]

I'm also inclined to try to improve my Chiron doom build with Ares-Aphro duo with weak on Attack, just to stack dooms to the hell

[gilded orbit]

Ok I found out how they stack. Exactly depending on each single hit.

[onyx parcel]

Is there a list of debuffs that can proc privileged status??

[marsh dawn]

Every debuff that says “status curse” @onyx parcel

[onyx parcel]

Chill, hangover, weak, jolted are only the ones I can think of on top of my head

Every debuff that says “status curse” @onyx parcel
@marsh dawn where does it say that? On the boon selection screen?

[gilded orbit]

If in first two hits are a 5 hangover and then three 7 hangover hits, the enemy will get 5+5+7+7+7 damage

[spark lotus]

@onyx parcel https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects

[marsh dawn]

Yes

[onyx parcel]

Yo thank you

[marsh dawn]

It’s listed in the description of the effect

[onyx parcel]

I need to look for debuffs under that wiki page, correct?

Specifically status curse?

[marsh dawn]

Yes

[magic mountain]

If in first two hits are a 5 hangover and then three 7 hangover hits, the enemy will get 5+5+7+7+7 damage
@gilded orbit since the timers are different that would be the case

[onyx parcel]

Privileged status actually seem really good

Only requiring 2??

[marsh dawn]

It’s stupid good

[onyx parcel]

Never realized that

[unkempt pagoda]

it's great for many builds

[onyx parcel]

What about favor vs foresight?

[magic mountain]

priv status is op

[marsh dawn]

Favor is the rarity one right?

[magic mountain]

ye

[unkempt pagoda]

it's a question of whether you want less boons that are higher quality, or prefer more boons, hearts, and poms in general

[magic mountain]

foresight si for gold, ahmmer etc

[marsh dawn]

Favor is definitely better imo

[magic mountain]

it's a question of whether you want less boons that are higher quality, or prefer more boons, hearts, and poms in general
@unkempt pagoda this

[onyx parcel]

Vitality vs dark regen then?

[marsh dawn]

Vitality

[unkempt pagoda]

dark regen, always

[onyx parcel]

I always took dark regen but I think I need to switch

Seems like regen doesn’t synergies well with foresight

[magic mountain]

i take dark regen mostly since i run foresight

[hard holly]

Goddammit

[unkempt pagoda]

once you stop doing bounties for heat, dark regen always wins over vitality in terms of which heals more

[onyx parcel]

Wait what

[hard holly]

I lost to Hades

Just couldnt get Athenas call

[onyx parcel]

once you stop doing bounties for heat, dark regen always wins over vitality in terms of which heals more
@unkempt pagoda ah ok I’m doing bounties so

I should prob take vitality

[unkempt pagoda]

bosses drop a lot of darkness when they don't drop bounty rewards

[marsh dawn]

Yep

[mighty ermine]

even with dark foresight, darkness troves that may pop up will grant huge heals assuming LC isn't active

dark regen is just really good overall

[unkempt pagoda]

are you perfectly clearing each heat level in one run?

[onyx parcel]

If u take foresight, why would u take dark regen

[worldly trellis]

Yea, I prefer dark regen because most of the damage I take is from bosses.

[unkempt pagoda]

cause even fury/hydra darkness drops are great

[marsh dawn]

So far, yes. @unkempt pagoda

[onyx parcel]

are you perfectly clearing each heat level in one run?
@unkempt pagoda welllll I am on heat 1 and 2 and stuff like that, do I thiiiiink so?

[worldly trellis]

So that huge darkness boost + well is usually a full heal

[onyx parcel]

At least I got heat 1 (EM1) first try with shield

[hard holly]

Im actually so tilted

I had a good build, everything except the stupid Call

[onyx parcel]

Yea, I prefer dark regen because most of the damage I take is from bosses.
@worldly trellis same, but bounties don’t give darkness unfortunately

[hard holly]

None of the gods offered me a call

[unkempt pagoda]

fountain plus darkness drop, even for furies and hydra, usually get a full heal

which will help with getting the rest of the bounties too

[hard holly]

And then I messed up the dodges a few times

[onyx parcel]

Yea this got me torn rn not gonna lie

I’m tempted to go back to vitality

[marsh dawn]

Vitality is far more consistent for bounties imo

[orchid wasp]

https://imgur.com/a/asSXtFk this is absolutely insane, I was hitting fogs worth 1300 damage... 4 fogs hit per empowered dash

[onyx parcel]

Actually imma keep using dark regen until I max out foresight. By then I’ll take vitality cause regen and foresight kinda counters each other

Vitality is far more consistent for bounties imo
@marsh dawn probably true

[mighty ermine]

the majority of noticeable darkness healing throughout a run barring bounty progression will be from bosses and troves

[unkempt pagoda]

it also turns:

• darkness troves into good heals
• darkness from wells and charon into heals
• sunken treasure from poseidon into extra heals on top of what you already get
• chaos eclipse/ocean's bounty into great healers on top of being great resource grinding boons

[mighty ermine]

which are unaffected by dark foresight

[onyx parcel]

it also turns:

• darkness troves into good heals
• darkness from wells and charon into heals
• sunken treasure from poseidon into extra heals on top of what you already get
• chaos eclipse/ocean's bounty into great healers on top of being great resource grinding boons
  @unkempt pagoda that’s true

[unkempt pagoda]

darkness from wells especially are cheaper than regular healing items, which can be great pickups to top you off if you're just missing a little bit of hp

[rugged oyster]

when you hit the Daedalus anvil and throw away your build 😄

[marsh dawn]

I typically avoid darkness rooms most of the time.

[mighty ermine]

also bouldy darkness drops if you run with him

[marsh dawn]

Hmmmm

[rugged oyster]

unless im low, i have no major need for darkness however it sucks when the Broker is doing a good deal for hundreds of darkness i dont have

[marsh dawn]

Just use a key?

Or does that not work

[rugged oyster]

oh true Xd

[unkempt pagoda]

anvil is a real gamble, i never consider taking it except for fists

[rugged oyster]

i guess it would

[unkempt pagoda]

bc all of fists' hammer upgrades are interchangeable imo lol

[rugged oyster]

i was like "50/50 this ruins my build" and i did it anyway and now i have to fight hades with a crit build that has low base dmg 😄

[marsh dawn]

Anvil only worth on bow for me, but it’s by far my worst weapon.

[mighty ermine]

eh, i'd disagree with fist upgrades being freely interchangeable. i don't like rush kick or flying cutter being there, really

[dense star]

Anvil's an amusing last ditch gamble for me if I just straight up whiffed hard on the earlier hammers

[hexed leaf]

Hey mind if I interrupt?

[rugged oyster]

it is also interesting, i just find it odd because the temple rooms dont really allow you to see what exactly you've done, if that makes sense?

[torpid wren]

I'll never take Anvil with Sword ever again, because Hoarding Slash exist and it loves giving me that every time time

[onyx parcel]

How much currency for a key at the trading?

I can’t remember on top of my head

[rugged oyster]

Hey mind if I interrupt?
@hexed leaf absolutely not

[unkempt pagoda]

what results i get from explosive upper would be the same if i got rush kick or kinetic launcher or etc

[rugged oyster]

10 gemstones = 1 cthonic key

[marsh dawn]

10 gems @onyx parcel

[hexed leaf]

I wanna talk about aspects!

[onyx parcel]

Sick

[rugged oyster]

go go go

[marsh dawn]

I’m gonna dip out in fear of fourth aspect spoilers!

[hexed leaf]

Well what are your favorites? I'm trying to decide what I want to invest my hard-earned blood into.

Ohhh okay sorry Flyinx.

[onyx parcel]

All aspects at low level is bad

[rugged oyster]

can we use | | <text> | | so flyinx isnt spoiled?

[onyx parcel]

So choose whatever on ur fav weapon

[rugged oyster]

like ||this||

[onyx parcel]

That sounds the coolest

[mighty ermine]

rush kick makes dash-strike and dash-upper weaving outside of charged demeter uppers pretty awkward

[onyx parcel]

Well what are your favorites? I'm trying to decide what I want to invest my hard-earned blood into.
@hexed leaf here’s a neat trick: buy an aspect, go to a run and try it out. Don’t die. Select the option “give up” and then you’ll be back to the state where u haven’t spent ur blood yet

[rugged oyster]

damn that's really helpful

[torpid wren]

There's some i feel aren't worth putting blood into depending on what you wanna do with it... Like Excalibur

[rugged oyster]

excalibur is siiiiick wym

[onyx parcel]

rush kick makes dash-strike and dash-upper weaving outside of charged demeter uppers pretty awkward
@mighty ermine rush kick is the one that does 2x40 damage?

[hexed leaf]

I'm trying to figure out the spoiler thing

[rugged oyster]

it's || that no space

[hexed leaf]

|| these?

[rugged oyster]

and then another at the end

[onyx parcel]

Does rush kick actually increase Demeter dps?

[rugged oyster]

i am ||pee woman||

[worldly trellis]

or just highlight the text you want to tag

and then click the eye

[onyx parcel]

Some good low level aspects are chaos shield

[hexed leaf]

Frick

[rugged oyster]

2 lines!

|| ||

[hexed leaf]

Gonna kms

[onyx parcel]

||dont||

[rugged oyster]

if you highlight the text and click the eye that works too

[hexed leaf]

||Beowulf|| ?

[unkempt pagoda]

||spoiler||

[rugged oyster]

i dont have that aspect yet so im not sure on it's effectiveness

[hexed leaf]

||Ah I just reached the true ending earlier today||

[rugged oyster]

'grats!

[hexed leaf]

||Decided to really start looking into the fourth level aspects||

[rugged oyster]

do you know of them all?

are you asking which one's are the best/most fun?

[hexed leaf]

More or less.

[fervent hare]

on the subject of fourth aspects, ||rama seems OP from the little that i've tried of it.||

[hexed leaf]

||ooooo okay||

Wait I don't think I had to spoiler that.

Anyways, cool! I'll look into it.

Do you guys have an efficient way of farming blood for all these upgrades?

I been saving all the gold for final shop every run.

[magic mountain]

just unlocked|| the ability to summon my companions on the hades fight||

[hexed leaf]

What do you have to do to unlock that?

[fervent hare]

i just try to fulfill fated prophecies, heat clears and gold investing for the ||styx||

[hexed leaf]

Riiiight ok ok

[spark lotus]

@pallid dagger maybe you could split your feedback so I can upvote the ones I like

[fervent hare]

for ||companions||, you have to max out relationships with certain individuals

[hexed leaf]

Certain ones? Like

The ones it come from?

[magic mountain]

specific ones

yeah

[hexed leaf]

Cool cool

[magic mountain]

getting the alst one rn actually

[fervent hare]

if you want a specific answer, ||skelly, meg, thanatos, sisyphus, achilles, dusa all give companions||

[pallid dagger]

hang on, i'll go in and redo it.

[hexed leaf]

I've been hard at work trying to unlock ||Antos||

Best companion?

[magic mountain]

I like ||meg||

[fervent hare]

depends

||skelly and sisyphus|| are the only ones that work on the final boss iirc

[magic mountain]

@fervent hare I just managed to unlock the ability to use them all in final boss

[fervent hare]

oh they can all be used? good to know, might make me change my priorities in unlocking them

[magic mountain]

yeah, just got it actually. was really surprised

[hard holly]

What the hell

How does Athena offer me everything but her call

[hexed leaf]

[worldly trellis]

how spread is the pattern on triple beam?

is it like the triple shot on the bow?

for lucifer I mean

[unkempt pagoda]

it's pretty close, yeah

you're not gonna easily shotgun with it

[worldly trellis]

gotcha, thanks

[fervent canyon]

quick question, just started a run with luci aspect

how does targeting system hammer upgrade work?

it doesn't exactly target does it?

[worldly trellis]

should work the same way as usual

it still has that targeting circle same as the other one

[unkempt pagoda]

you can still aim it, it's the reticle

[fervent canyon]

ohhh

it's smaller though right?

[worldly trellis]

now the real question is, does the ball apply the slow once its placed?

[fervent canyon]

can't check cause i'm on hammer page

the reticle I mean

okay yeah reticle for special is def smaller on luci

but the slow buff applies even after they step out of it

so not terrible I guess

[lethal chasm]

god pray for me, 3rd time going into hades, only 2 death defiances but i have a godly railgun build, ff

[pseudo stream]

Do individual biome 4 rooms count for levelling keepsakes?

[worldly trellis]

you got this

railgun power my man

athena call or athena dash?

[mellow sierra]

You guys like the lucifer aspect, what your favorite hammer upgrade you use with it?

[worldly trellis]

havent gotten enough of them to say

[dry ember]

After 3 runs on Hell Mode I'm about to face Hades

God bless

(not my first save, ofc)

[blissful barn]

Hello, do +damage effects affect hangover damage ticks?

[brittle wind]

hell's mode sucks... I hope there is a button to change it somehow

[dry ember]

I did it :D

[unkempt pagoda]

if the +% damage is global, then yes it should work on hangover

an example being eris aspect

[random light]

i asked this before but i don't remember what the answer was
do modifiers for attack affect the dash attack (e.g. would Artemis Attack boon give crit chance and damage bonus when i dash strike)

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

for boons, dash attacks are considered attacks (like squares and rectangles)

[worldly trellis]

What are your favorite casts to use on Hera?

I usually go for artemis

[unkempt pagoda]

full wine build (trippy shot + scintillating feast + ice wine)

[brittle wind]

Increase attack also increasing dash attack but not the other way around

[unkempt pagoda]

true shot is great too, easy access to exit wounds and fully loaded

[worldly trellis]

oooo, maxed trippy shot sounds fun

[unkempt pagoda]

crush shot would be good too if it weren't for the janky interactions between hera and its hitbox

sometimes it just misses entirely? it's weird, but when it does hit, it's great

[proper lagoon]

Started out as a doom build but then I got lucky with the boons had to switch it up

[untold vortex]

Please post that in #self-promotion @proper lagoon

[proper lagoon]

Ok

[lyric bloom]

god the aspect of arthur is stupid and fun wow'

I just unlocked it

dealing 600 damage to tisiphone on the third hit was fun

[hazy slate]

which boons do i look for when using the twin fists 4th aspect

[worldly trellis]

dio is refusing to give me trippy shot

jerk

[untold vortex]

You're more than welcome to discuss the build here but any videos/self promo goes in #self-promotion

[worldly trellis]

he offered me trippy flare

are you kidding me

[hidden pike]

@hazy slate I usually capitalize on attack damage with those, so Aphrodite works very well, especially if you also get the "weak enemies take more damage" boon
Not to mention that weakening enemies helps lower the increased damage they get from being maimed

[potent ember]

crit builds never hurt anyone

[hidden pike]

taking some athena boons is also nice

[potent ember]

doom-focused builds work well with maim

[hidden pike]

usually I think that artemis attack boon (small damage, can crit) = aphrodite attack boon (huge damage, never crits)
but with that aspect I think aphrodite is better because of enemy damage reduction

[potent ember]

mm i see

[random light]

I swear the game offers me Kiss of Styx from the Wells specifically because I'm down a Death Defiance and just under 200 coins

the game knows

[rugged oyster]

You guys like the lucifer aspect, what your favorite hammer upgrade you use with it?
@mellow sierra i love the +100% ramping damage hammer paired with artemis' attack boon + support fire boon. gives so much dps between the crit and arrow damage.

also, the 3 casts of Special before reloading is super amazing as you can setup a chain very easily or just nuke 1 spot for 5 billion damage

[random light]

it's MOCKING me

[potent ember]

the game does know

zag's line doesnt help either - "bad time to be a bit short on coin" ya think

[random light]

:^) Supergiant why you gotta do me like that

[rugged oyster]

i tend to hoard coin and keep it above 200 just for that exact purpose

[dry ember]

:^) Supergiant why you gotta do me like that
I watch Amir and Greg stream their development of the game this one time. They have a spreadsheet of every time that happens. In that stream, they broke into a maniacal laughter as they watch a player die after not being able to buy the DD. They said they keep the spreadsheet very up to date and check it every day. They have a pinned message in the middle of the office with info to keep morale up.

[hidden pike]

the fated list of major fails

[random light]

I beat Hades even without the DD just now because Artemis+Aphrodite crit builds very balanced on Nemesis sword and also that Aphrodite max gauge does dummi damage

but

i felt the sting

[rugged oyster]

"the son of the god of the dead shall perish after failing to make the coin needed to purchase the Kiss of Styx"

[random light]

of the game going "haha no second chance for you :^)"

[potent ember]

"The son of the god of the dead shall some day desperately require a kiss of styx but be a bit too short on coin to afford one, thus dying to the wretches of the underworld thanks to Charon's stingy prices."

[rugged oyster]

okay yours is better

I beat Hades even without the DD just now because Artemis+Aphrodite crit builds very balanced on Nemesis sword and also that Aphrodite max gauge does dummi damage
@random light artemis + aphrodite? what build are we talkin

[dry ember]

Charon is the real villain

[rugged oyster]

charon, more like, karen

[dry ember]

Another reason why capitalism is evil

[potent ember]

What DOES Charon use that coin for anyways?

[hidden pike]

probably swimming

[potent ember]

spite?

[rugged oyster]

"the son of the god of the dead shall find that there is no ethical consumption under late stage captialism and fall to the wretches of the underworld due to falling impoverished and failing to purchase the Kiss of Styx from the Well of Charon"

[potent ember]

come to think of it, what incentive is there to have a job in the underworld?

[rugged oyster]

there are carts of food around and whatnot in elysium

[potent ember]

could u just steal that tho

u might be thrown in Tartarus actually huh

[rugged oyster]

||charon will spank u with his paddle||

[potent ember]

the market must be bonkers due to how many dead ppl there are

[rugged oyster]

you've been a very naughty little shade havent you 😳 *** SMACK***

actually the ratio to alive and dead people is smaller than you'd expect

[potent ember]

thats all gonna add up as time goes by tho

[rugged oyster]

that's due

its around like 11 Dead people for every living person

like, there's still over 100 billion dead people but its interesting to think that that's how much human population has boomed recently

also im really sad i still dont know the artemis aphordite crit build

is it special gives weak > nemesis aspect, special also gives crit > weak makes enemies more susceptible to damage > artemis crit attack boon?

[potent ember]

aphrodite and artemis duo boon too

[rugged oyster]

what does that do?

[potent ember]

weak enemies take more dmg from crits

[rugged oyster]

woah that actually sounds disgusting

[untold vortex]

heart rend is great :3

[rugged oyster]

imagine an excalibur crit build like that

3rd hit for like 1.5k

[untold vortex]

1.5x crit damage on weak enemies :3

[potent ember]

mega chunk damage

[rugged oyster]

infinity edge from League of legends 😄

[untold vortex]

combine that with things like hunters mark and other crit damage increasing boons

[dry ember]

sorry I just can't help posting this when someone mentions big crit

https://imgur.com/a/u9qzRch

slightly more reasonable one

[rugged oyster]

😮

[dry ember]

https://imgur.com/a/atXIPVq

[rugged oyster]

i dont understand why people crap on excalibur

like the special isnt amazing but are you kidding me with that 300 base damage

[bronze sorrel]

Dasabigcrit!

[rugged oyster]

double a full aphro call

[potent ember]

"i like ya cut g"

[hidden pike]

to show the power of the flex tape, I SAWED THIS WRETCH IN HALF

[bronze sorrel]

The special is great. I don't think anyone is really crapping on on Arthur, its just overshadowed in a lot of regards by nemesis.

[potent ember]

arthur fun af tho

[bronze sorrel]

Its fun, its pleanty good, I love Arthur

[hidden pike]

my hands get tired pretty easily so I prefer Arthur as I have to mash less

+50hp and damage reduction aura is a nice bonus too

[rugged oyster]

my only issue with arthur is the arrow traps in elysium getting slowed down

their hitbox extends 5 lightyeards behind them

it makes me so so sad

[random light]

just use Athena Dash™️

[rugged oyster]

Athena Dash™️ very op, will save every run 5 times over

[bronze sorrel]

Use divine strike

[dry ember]

Crutch™

[rugged oyster]

^

its nuts how good athena's dash is

i dont know how they could nerf it

maybe make it drop a deflect zone?

[ruby nebula]

athena dash is really, really good especially with malphon because you can just mash dash attacks

[bronze sorrel]

I proposed 1-4 randomly assigned heat the other day. People hated the idea so that tells me it's a solid nerf

[rugged oyster]

everyone else's dash boons are like "yooo have a lil bit of damage and a short status effect :3" athena be like "literally never ever get hit unless you have a monkey brain idk lol"

[bronze sorrel]

Like common rarity gives 4 heat, heroic gives 1 etc

[rugged oyster]

so that heat nerf, people couldnt abuse the timer one for instance?

[untold vortex]

I think people moreso don't like the idea of randomly assigned heat

[bronze sorrel]

It'd be randomly assigned heat
😈

[lethal chasm]

i wil never beat redacted f

got to him 4 times today

[potent ember]

I think its more the idea that heat is arbitrarily assigned to a thing completely unrelated to the heat mechanic. It makes it feel artificial

[untold vortex]

you getting to em 4 times today means you'll get there mate ^_^

that too Witty

[hidden pike]

i'd use the point up emote if I had it rn

but yep, you're getting there

[bronze sorrel]

I'm not saying my proposal is a good design choice. I'm just saying, it is in fact possible to nerf divine dash. Random heat would make anyone think twice

[rugged oyster]

i wil never beat redacted f
@lethal chasm the redacted fight is difficult, just dodge ||boiling blood and the spin dash||, focus on windups and take out the wretches!

[hidden pike]

Also, getting the hermes +1 dash boon is what carried me when I struggled initially

3 dashes mean you get out of the spin no matter what

[rugged oyster]

I'm not saying my proposal is a good design choice. I'm just saying, it is in fact possible to nerf divine dash. Random heat would make anyone think twice
@bronze sorrel so if you take divine dash, you get 1-4 random heat added?

[bronze sorrel]

Correct

[hazy slate]

thats a bit harsh

[rugged oyster]

i think if they're to nerf it, they'd change the way the deflect aura moves/doesnt move with you

[untold vortex]

and arbitrary to apply it to a singular boon

[tardy dragon]

What do I spend my blood on

[dry ember]

why would you want to nerf Divine Dash?

[rugged oyster]

your favourite weapon

because a dash boon should, atleast in my opinion not be THAT strong

dash is already I frames

[tardy dragon]

I don't have a favourite i just pick which one gives extra darkness

[bronze sorrel]

I don't, I'm just responding hypothetically to "is it possible to nerf"

[hidden pike]

just making the deflect stationary on where the dash started would already be a good nerf
you'd have to dodge AWAY from things instead of into them

[rugged oyster]

I don't have a favourite i just pick which one gives extra darkness
@tardy dragon surely there's a mvoeset you like a lot, if not give the aspects a read and see what stands out to you

[dry ember]

then no one would pick divine dash

[brittle wind]

The problem with athena dash is it can do damage and defend at the same time

[tardy dragon]

I mean I'm asking because I don't know what stands out

[dry ember]

there is nerf, and then there is removing the thing entirely

[brittle wind]

just remove the damage stat and I think it will be fine

[bronze sorrel]

A better designed alternative for aore serious proposal would be to reduce the deflect window.

[hazy slate]

that actually sounds not that bad

[rugged oyster]

I mean I'm asking because I don't know what stands out
@tardy dragon Nemesis aspect on the sword, Chiron aspect on the bow

[tardy dragon]

Bet

[hidden pike]

makes sense, like the deflect would only be active during iframes, or a bit more frames than the iframe window

[rugged oyster]

it should be like zues' dash boon, drop a deflect zone where the dash started, in my opinion

[hidden pike]

ye, that's what I suggested too
there are lots of ways of nerfing it, if sg so chooses

[dry ember]

ik we are theorycrafting, but there is a certain skill in using divine dash to deflect melee attacks

divine dash isn't a free win ticket

[rugged oyster]

there is, but that functionality wont be removed by making it a deflect zone where the dash started

[hidden pike]

definitely, ||charon ||already bonked me to styx jail multiple times while I tried to deflect the bonks

[rugged oyster]

maybe they could make Athena Dash™️ only block melee attacks?

it doesnt super make sense to me that me moving sends projectiles back at whoever shot them, smacking or shooting them away does though, parrying rahter than yeeting

[hidden pike]

I think it'd be weird for deflect to work one way on some things, and differently on others

[rugged oyster]

good point

finally got the pierced butterfly achievement intention gets you places

[hidden pike]

nice, I want to get it some day, but I can't avoid to get hit at least once on rooms

tartarus is okay though

[rugged oyster]

the lava in asphodel complicates things

but utilising ranged attacks and staying away from aggro is super satisfying

[hidden pike]

yep, always get hit by it with slow weapons

I forget I have one foot in it when I start the combos

[rugged oyster]

yeah

dashing right back in after you dash out

😂

[onyx parcel]

Can someone explain why Athena dash is good

Other than deflecting projectiles

Does it give u increased I-frames??

[rugged oyster]

it's the easiest deflect on an ability that already gives i frames

it's consistent, incredibly low cooldown and tied to movement

and it also deals damage itself

[stray holly]

And deflect seems to affect things other than projectiles
Like the final bosses spear attack...

[onyx parcel]

But it’s the same as normal dash

Normal dash can negate damage too

...cause it has i-frames

[rugged oyster]

deflect means it reflects the damage back

not just invulnerable

[stray holly]

Ending the dash inside/near a projectile wont repel it though

[onyx parcel]

I don’t see why Athena dash is so good other than countering projectiles

Does it actually??

Does it actually do damage?? Even if the damage is melee??

[rugged oyster]

yes

if you time it correctly you can deflect melee

[onyx parcel]

Wtf

So u do damage back at him?

[rugged oyster]

yes

[onyx parcel]

Didn’t notice that before

[sharp shadow]

What's the best gauntlet aspect?

[onyx parcel]

I mean I always took Athens dash if I got it bc people always say it’s good, but tbh I don’t see how it’s good other than countering projectiles

[stray holly]

Talos

[onyx parcel]

What's the best gauntlet aspect?
@sharp shadow the one u enjoy the most

Which happens to be Demeter for me

[rugged oyster]

if we arent talking final aspect, the magnet one is great, and so is demeter, it depends on if u want more punch damage or BEEEEG smack

[onyx parcel]

Cmon

If ur playing gauntlet

U GOTTA go for one punch man

The speed

The violence

The momentum

The sheer amount of power

[sharp shadow]

so is the zag just eh? Im not sure how useful the dodge actually is

[onyx parcel]

Zag is good actually

U could go for a dodge build

[rugged oyster]

zag is good teid with hermes boons and the feather

[onyx parcel]

Which could end up really OP

zag is good teid with hermes boons and the feather
@rugged oyster this

[stray holly]

Sorry can't hear you from over there, why don't you GET OVER HERE

[onyx parcel]

Why don’t u DASH over there to them

[stray holly]

Dash is reserved for beyblade stacking

[rugged oyster]

well, if you go for the pull and then go crit the dps is just insane

[onyx parcel]

Pull dps is good I’ll def admit that

But Demeter is not any less

[rugged oyster]

yeah the fists have just amazing aspects across the board

[stray holly]

All in all depends on style

[onyx parcel]

Yes

I can’t really complain about fist aspects

Unlike other weapons

[rugged oyster]

firsts lowkey BUSTED when people have no armor

[onyx parcel]

So really, @sharp shadow , go for whichever one sounds cooler to u

Do u know about the give up trick

[stray holly]

god the last spear aspect sucks

[rugged oyster]

you take that back

[onyx parcel]

Eh some people enjoy that

And I can see why

[stray holly]

Slow, penalizing, and heavily reliant on certain upgrades which you may not even get

[onyx parcel]

But personally I hate sitting like a duck and charging a spin

That’s why I barely play spear

[stray holly]

The spin is fun, but the penalty for using it is absurd

[rugged oyster]

i dont like the spear because i feel like the special does nothing honestly

hurrr free backstab nya~*

not worth

[onyx parcel]

Nothing about spear playstyle really attracts me

Doesn’t have fists’ consistent damage and mobility

Doesn’t have shield’s blocking and AOE

It’s just so... clunky to play

Not smooth 1/10

[stray holly]

Yeah I don't see the appeal in its special either
Sure it makes dealing with shields slightly easier, but c'mon

[rugged oyster]

credit where it's due, the combos are fun

[stray holly]

Hey, Hades aspect is hella fun

[rugged oyster]

1 2 3 4 dash strike nya

[hearty elbow]

GY spear and Exploding Launcher are extremely buttery smooth to play

[rugged oyster]

GY spear special is lovely

[stray holly]

Bonus damage for days

[hearty elbow]

And Hades aspect in general has a smooth playstyle. It's not terribly easy, there's a lot of spacing and timing involved, but yeah the end result is very smooth and effective

[stray holly]

Hugh Mungus Spin + Speedy McSpin are hilarious on it

[hazy slate]

i like spear, I was able to get my first escape with it

[hearty elbow]

I prefer using baby spins with Serrated Point or Exploding Launcher, since they benefit from the debuff

[stray holly]

Don't think I've encountered those

My hammers are cursed, I've been through ~50 runs and I'm almost always getting the same choices

[worldly trellis]

Does Lucky Tooth cancel out Stubborn Roots?

thats the athena/demeter duo

yes it does nvm

[tardy dragon]

What are u meant to do in all witch rooms in esphodel

[stray holly]

Would be broken if it didn't lol

[tardy dragon]

How do u come out of that without taking damage?

[worldly trellis]

git gud

but in all seriousness u just gotta keep moving behind them

as soon as they commit to a direction you go around

its hard but its possible

[rugged oyster]

trying to come out a witch mini boss room unscathed is... hard.
focus on their direction as Matt said above, and remembed you can hit their attacks away

AOE boons help a lot too, like zues' chain lightning

[stable grotto]

So i have a very intersting problem I keep getting hit by "screen entering attacks" The act 3/4 bosses have these lunge attacks where they enter the screen with them and hit me and this happens cause im focusing on minions or other elements that prevent me from keeping them on the screen

when they leap on scream its too late and i eat damage, it doesnt help that act 4 boss has a sweep attack that where if i dash twice i still get hit by it

[rugged oyster]

act 4 needs 2 dashes in the correct direction but your screen attack issue seems really unfortunate, it could be your aspect ratio though im sure you've already messed with that

[stable grotto]

i mean no ration will allow me to see the whole entire arena

[rugged oyster]

i guess then it's more a matter of positioning, in most bossfights the screen zooms out a considerable amount, is that not happening for you?

[worldly trellis]

Is Lucifer worth maxing out? Seems like all it does is increase the hellfire damage, which isn't really what makes it good

I really like it but i feel like the titan blood is better spent elsewhere idk

[rugged oyster]

the hellfire damage can be very strong

if you get certain hammer upgrades that is

it's up to you

i personally havent

---

i have a question about crit builds, is it standard to go for Aphro Attack and find crit elsewhere? (artemis mark chance and flat crit chance)

or artemis attack for the crit chance there but less damage

[covert hatch]

Speaking of Spear, I'm running Hades aspect, should I take Poseidon or Dionysus early on?

I already got a hammer for the bigger spin

[rugged oyster]

then poseidon for the knockback addition and wall slam (havent tried it just what i think would work)

[covert hatch]

Is Hades aspect debuff just attack and special damage, or all damage?

Why am I asking I have the game open

[hazy slate]

i think just attack and special

[covert hatch]

That makes sense to me then, yeah

[hazy slate]

not certain if the buff applies to the spin though

[covert hatch]

If it were all damage, increased poison damage would be primo

[stray holly]

I've found Dionysus to be great since you basically cast mass hangover with each full spin

[rugged oyster]

^ that sounds great actually, if you have the talent that gives dmg to status affected wretches it could be an amazing build to look for dio and poseidon

[stray holly]

If you're feeling lucky enough, could aim for the legendary where you deal more damage to the hangovered in the festive fog for even funnier damage numbers

On the subject of funny, anyone else finding Aphrodite to be kind of weak in comparison to everyone else?

[covert hatch]

I went for Poseidon because I realized I had maxed out Dio's hearts already

[kind cloud]

I currently have zeus attack, poseidon special, and sea storm duo boon on zeus shield.

Question: What would happen if i sold the zeus attack? would the duo boon still trigger on special?

Respond.

/chaos impersonator

[covert hatch]

Can't see why it wouldn't

[hazy slate]

I like aphrodite's boons, i was able to deal big damage with sword and nemesis aspect

[tough goblet]

can someone tell me what combos well with the sword, ive been messing around with different ideas, and i cant really tell

im assuming artemis

[fervent hare]

nemesis -> artemis

i also like posiedon in general cuz of knockback

[pallid dagger]

The Sword's nemesis and poseidon both work well with artemis

[fervent hare]

posideon aspect, is just make a cast build

[tough goblet]

i feel like posideon doesnt have the better payoff with bosses tho

[stray holly]

But most of Aphrodites stuff is centered around reducing enemy damage?

[fervent hare]

knockback doesn't effect bosses but rupture can, there's also a boon that makes them take more damage instead of knockback

[tough goblet]

oh right, rupture

i keep forgetting, thank you

lol

[kind cloud]

Can't see why it wouldn't
@covert hatch
For a duo boon to remain active...one of the inputs (albeit ancillary) don't need to remain? Otherwise, feels like a massive exploit.

For instance, I can't imagine sea storm would trigger if I sold poseidon special. but something tells me that zeus attack can be discarded.

[hidden pike]

You can discard it, the duo will remain

[tough goblet]

im just trying to change up how i start the run, i usually take the coinpurse but i noticed my last run i was over 1k orbols

[hazy slate]

yeah but it gives pretty high damage percentage and i like weak effect with some other effect to get privelegd @stray holly

[stable grotto]

Is there any point of having multiple sources of hangover for Dio?

like does it increase the amount of stacks?

[stray holly]

oh didn't consider the damage percentage

[fervent hare]

it can help stack them more quickly

[kind cloud]

You can discard it, the duo will remain
@hidden pike
Interesting. Thanks.

[fervent hare]

also depends on how reliable it is to get stacks, once you have priveleged status unlocked

since it seems like most of my victories now are basically centered around that single mirror talent

[livid comet]

always go for status curse

[hazy slate]

its pretty strong

[smoky atlas]

so im exploring cast builds rn, so far have tried homing blade rifts, poseidon kb/rupture, and demeter/poseidon duo cast

any other good casts around?

[tawdry holly]

zues cast with his upgrades

[smoky atlas]

its the bouncing bolts right

[tawdry holly]

yeah. pretty fun

its a sometimes satisfying one shot at tomes

those rats dont stand a chance

[stray holly]

Zeus/Artemis Duo + Any cast count increases + Any cast that doesn't stay in its target
Spread em' all around and watch the light show

[smoky atlas]

tried ice lance duo cast today and it was bonker (3 casts do as much dmg as an aphro call)

will give zeus a try

[stray holly]

Hilarious with chasing rifts

[hazy slate]

I feel like doing a cast build with Poseidon aspect and hopefully the artemis boon which deals damage when the ammo is dislodged from enemies, which cast should I be looking for the most?

[covert hatch]

Hey can the Ares/Poseidon and Demeter/Poseidon boons stack

I'm guessing no

[smoky atlas]

for that i usually start with poseidon cast and get as many poseidon/artermis/extra cast boons i can find @hazy slate

[hazy slate]

what do you mean by stack? cause you can have them on different slots

[covert hatch]

Curse of Drowning and Blizzard Shot

[hazy slate]

i dunno

[covert hatch]

I'm going to go with the safe bet of no

I am having the Unlucky trying to get Blizzard Shot

And we got there

[idle oak]

is it just me or is smouldering air just really bad?

[covert hatch]

Depends on what Call you have

[brittle wind]

If my bounty at 12 heat and I make a 13 heat on that run and finish it... What's my next bounty 13 or 14??

[onyx parcel]

If my bounty at 12 heat and I make a 13 heat on that run and finish it... What's my next bounty 13 or 14??
@brittle wind 13

Bounty increases in order by an interval of 1

If u clear on 13 and ur bounty is on 12, u collect reward for 12

And ur new bounty is 13

[brittle wind]

Okay

[bronze sorrel]

is it just me or is smouldering air just really bad?
@idle oak

Smouldering air can be awesome. Try it with say Zeus aid and add in second wind, billowing strength, etc.

[hearty elbow]

I think Smoldering Air is the best duo boon in the game

Better than Heart Rend

Or Hunting Blades

Smoldering Air + Aphro Aid completely invalidates every boss encounter, + Athena's Aid is as broken as it sounds, + Dio Aid is like, what, 15 * 2 * 5 * 4 = 600 AoE damage every 5 seconds? At level 1 common? + Zeus' Aid is similar, + Poseidon's AId (especially with Rip Current) kind of totally breaks normal encounters. The only real miss is Artemis. Demeter is also kind of medium

[hard holly]

Whats smoldering Air again?

[hearty elbow]

1 Call charge, fills every 5 seconds

[magic dagger]

but ice wine

jk smoldering air is better

[median oar]

hello is this an appropriate channel to ask: at my stage in the game, I'm still slowly accumulating Titansblood, as it's non-refundable I'd like to suss out from the community which of the 3 first available aspects they'd recommend investment in for: shield, bow, rail?

[magic dagger]

zag shield

eris rail

[hearty elbow]

Zag Bow is a sick 5 blood expenditure IMO

[magic dagger]

probably zag bow

zag's bow is really good

[median oar]

aighty I'll give zag bow a shot. I've read a lot about chaos shield but I also heard recently it was changed a lot or something?

I picked up the game 3 days/30 gameplay hours ago so it's all fresh still

[bronze geyser]

Yeah, chaos shield was changed a bit in 1.0, but imo it's still really good

[hearty elbow]

When you're starting out, 15 blood is a LOT

[onyx parcel]

aighty I'll give zag bow a shot. I've read a lot about chaos shield but I also heard recently it was changed a lot or something?
@median oar not a lot

When you're starting out, 15 blood is a LOT
@hearty elbow where the hell do u get 15 blood from

[median oar]

yeah I've scooped together 15 blood and I'm trying to decide what to put it in basically for no regrets

[onyx parcel]

Oh shoot 15?? That’s max any aspect isn’t it

What’s ur fav weapon

[hearty elbow]

What do you mean? Like every non-Zag aspect in the game is 15 or 16

[median oar]

I already maxed out my zag fists prior and I like that well enough, and I maxed my zag rail which is merely OK to me. I was looking around on it and chaos shield gets recommended a lot

[onyx parcel]

IMO zag shield is a steal for 5 blood

[hearty elbow]

Oof, max Zag rail is bummer town

[onyx parcel]

Max zag fist is really nice

You could prob go for max chaos shield if that’s what u like

Or max zag shield

And invest the rest in something else

[hearty elbow]

Bow, shield, and fist have the spiciest Zag aspects, probably in that order

[median oar]

see I like shield but I don't know if chaos shield is as good as people were saying it is before it was changed (?)

[onyx parcel]

It’s still really good

[median oar]

(I was just scooping around on the reddit and there's no detailed post-launch aspect discussion)

[finite helm]

i luv zag bow

[onyx parcel]

Didn’t change a lot it’s prob more consistent now actually

Zag shield and zag bow are good choices

That’s 10 blood only

[hearty elbow]

I don't think you could beat the consistency of something that hit in all directions, ricocheted, off-screen

[onyx parcel]

It goes in front of u now

[hearty elbow]

But it's still fine now, you're still invincible half the time., by existing.

[onyx parcel]

Isn’t that more consistent

Cause u actually hit stuff that u want it to hit

[hearty elbow]

Now you can miss,

Right, but before, you hit everything, always

[onyx parcel]

True

It’s still good tho

[median oar]

alrighty then, reckon my next purchases will be: Chaos Shield, Zag Bow

[onyx parcel]

Actually zag shield might be better

For 5 blood

That’s a steal

[hearty elbow]

yeah, 15 is a LOT more than 5 when run completions with bounties are far from guaranteed

[onyx parcel]

^

[hearty elbow]

Just avoid Sword, Spear and Rail (too late womp womp) Zag aspects like plague

[onyx parcel]

I should’ve gotten zag shield instead of chaos

Chaos still works phenomenally but cmon

It’s 5 blood

Lol

[untold vortex]

ngl I quite like zag sword

[median oar]

it's a mutually exclusive 5 blood to me right now, since I'll want to invest in some other weapon with the blood from future runs once I've maxed out my first aspect on shield, so if chaos will be 'better' for me in the long term insofar as heat progression

im happy to put the blood in there and see what all the fuss is about

[hearty elbow]

Zag shield is excellent in its own right

But it's not Chaos. Chaos' primary advantage is that you get an aribtrary amount of invincibility as part of your main damage loop

[onyx parcel]

Both works, really

Both are good

[hearty elbow]

Even with Beo, you kind of have to derp around for a second or two to pick up the stones then shield again, but its base attack animation is also a lot slower

[onyx parcel]

And in terms of long run, zag shield is actually good now

But I still see more people going for chaos

So if u are patient with ur blood spending and really wanna focus on one weapon

Chaos is an excellent choice

[hearty elbow]

It was by a fairly wide margin the best aspect in the game at all levels of play in Blood Price.

[onyx parcel]

If u wanna spend it on other weapons too

[hearty elbow]

It is a lot more of a conversation now

[median oar]

maybe a better question is if not chaos, what weapon gets the most dramatic improvement for a 15/16pt investment?

[onyx parcel]

Go for 5 blood zag shield

[hearty elbow]

Guan Yu

Is the most dramatically improved aspect at Level 5 lol

[median oar]

I haven't unlocked fourth aspect on anything yet but I'll bear that in mind

[bronze sorrel]

I'm a big fan of Zeus shield myself

[onyx parcel]

Wdym by the most dramatic improvement at max level

Like, compared to the previous level?

Or compared to 0 upgrades

[median oar]

compared to the base weapon

[hearty elbow]

Compared to base, no blood

[onyx parcel]

Chaos shield is pretty dramatic