h1-builds-and-combat

[carmine rivet]

the range on even basic spear's normal Attack is nearly half of the bow now

at least from my last run with it, Rama also seems notable quicker to charge up. i think it's more like base bow with Explosive shot now?

[rare kayak]

havent played rama recently

[cunning urchin]

The range feels really good now.

It feels like you're using a spear.

[carmine rivet]

alright well now that the patched weapon testing is finished and updated to the wiki I want to test out a Hydro Pump run

Hahahah Damage Control is a joke with Igneus

[random hull]

I tried that today as well, but EM Asterius was utterly unimpressed by the garden hose.

Don't you think it would be funny if L had custom weapon SFX depending on the attack boon? The Poseidon one gets... flushing noises.

[cunning urchin]

Does the beam change color?

I haven't used the weapon yet.

[random hull]

It does! And sweeping the beam gives some additional effects.

[cunning urchin]

Nice. So I can color everything pink.

[random hull]

Igneus Eden with Zeus really looks like some sort of white hot welding torch.

[rare kayak]

didnt realise the special pulse actually inflict status effects

its not bad for special effects honestly

[turbid needle]

It's not terrible.

[cyan canyon]

with zeus it blows itself up when an enemy gets near

[rare kayak]

i mean the pulse comes out immediately upon hitting the ground so with the one upgrade to it its pretty reliable at inflicting the status

the one with bigger pulses

took hazard bomb with it once though and that was a mistake

hard to gauge just how big the explosion on the bombs are with hazard bomb on

[carmine rivet]

heheh. Hydro Pump was very satisfying against Bloodless

hah, suck it exalt spears, you can't even reach me

[zenith jay]

What god is good with guan yu

[carmine rivet]

Spin Attack build? Heard Athena is good. Special build? Aphrodite.

heck yeah, managed to proc Secret Boss in Elysium

[zenith jay]

Aleight, I will give it a shot

Oh yea athena is good

I didnt really appreciate athena before, but it was OP with excalibur attack

[carmine rivet]

Bruh Charon just sent me straight to Asterius

[stoic thicket]

Oh my goodness... didn't have time to play all day and just checked out the Hades spear.

That spin attack is humongous.

[carmine rivet]

Some might even call it....godly.

[stoic thicket]

I love it. Hades Aspect with the right hammers was a ton of fun to play anyway, now you probably only need one good one.

[unkempt pagoda]

oh my god i just used hades aspect spin attack

when they said it was bigger i wasn’t expecting that

[stoic thicket]

Wasn't expecting it by I sure as hell am gonna take it. That is awesome.

For an aspect that is this dependent on the spin attack it just needs something like this.

[unkempt pagoda]

charmed a bone raker during the hydra fight and it did 560 damage per swipe

thank you aphrodite

[inland meadow]

Question is love triangle still a thing or no?

[turbid needle]

No.

[inland meadow]

Rip

[vague hearth]

Hades aspect is genuinely insane

The only downside it has for me is that I really like the flurry hammer

[urban lily]

if i equip the hermes or thanatos trinkets early in a run and then switch them out, do the +damage/+dodge buffs stay?

[turbid needle]

No.

[urban lily]

damn

thank you

[lost cairn]

Is Lucifer worth using on lvl 1?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

Its greatest strength is the laser.

[lost cairn]

Yeah the special looks damn slow

I guess it has tons of hammer mods but still

[grand cedar]

I just launch the special whenever I can to have field coverage on key zones. I don't really target enemies with it (unless I get that awesome hammer boon that adds bonus damage and slows)

[thick raptor]

I do love getting triple rockets and artemis special tho

[lost cairn]

so Lucifer lvl 1 to lvl 5 is only 100% Hellfire blast damage

that doesn't seem much value

[turbid needle]

They do inflict pretty good damage, but it's definitely more heavily skewed towards the laser.

[main osprey]

do you need a core artemis boon to get mirage shot?

[turbid needle]

Anything except Hunter Dash.

[main osprey]

ah, well. That was the only core boon she offered me anyway

[main osprey]

is Aphro cast supposed to Lodge from Hera Bow?

[dry ember]

Don't think so

It also doesn't lodge on Beowulf

[modest urchin]

Does anything lodge on Beowulf

[untold quiver]

Nothing lodges on Beowulf

[main osprey]

huh

because it is lodging, but inconsistently

I submitted a bug report, but it was either

1. Lodging (usually only one out of however many bloodstones were loaded, but sometimes all 5)
2. Dropping next to where it hit
3. Dropping in front of me

[main osprey]

So...uh...wish me luck
https://imgur.com/PsPDRfG

[dry ember]

bruh

[gusty elm]

if i boost my attack damage, does that also increase dash attack damage?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[gusty elm]

nice, thanks

[main osprey]

tada~

[dry ember]

Dash attack and attack are like the square and rectangle thing

[main osprey]

I would also like to note, this was my first time trying out the Hera Bow

[dry ember]

And you go crush shot

Wow

[main osprey]

hahaha

a common crush shot, no less

[serene nexus]

I just unlocked ||Arthur and Lucifer aspects|| Any tips for builds for the both of them? I like the sword a lot but the gun aspect feels kinda clunky? Or maybe I just like Hestia aspect better.

[main osprey]

For Sword, Artemis crits can get some crazy high damage

I like Hazard Bomb on the new gun, but that can be a bit tricky

[manic crest]

Doom and Homing Shots all the way

[main osprey]

definitely Doom

[serene nexus]

My first attempt involved me running Aphrodite attack on the Sword

[main osprey]

for the Sword, basically anything that doesn't require fast attacks works at least decently

[serene nexus]

Dash canceling the swings actually boosts up your mobility A LOT

[manic crest]

I used Demeter's Special on the Adamant Rail, along with Doom and Homing

Made really quick work of the final boss

[serene nexus]

Not sure how the strategy of “place Q and tank everything” is going to work though

Doom on the rail primary?

[manic crest]

Yep

[main osprey]

or the special, actually

that's what I did

[manic crest]

I prefer on the primary, it's more frequent

[main osprey]

it can permalock enemies with the special though :P

[manic crest]

You can deploy and trigger doom much faster

[serene nexus]

I’d imagine something like Demeter would be better on Rail primary

Unless you get the stacking doom buff early

[manic crest]

Probably

The slow effect on ranged weapons are really good

Both bow and Rail

[serene nexus]

Plus the explosive frost boon would make it amazing

[manic crest]

Oh yes

That was amazing

[main osprey]

I gtg now, good luck! ^.^

[manic crest]

Cheers!

[magic dagger]

@naive tusk for this week's challenge, can we use fated persuasion from keys to force Light of Ixion in wells? I've lost a lot of runs by not getting any chaos

[naive tusk]

@naive tusk for this week's challenge, can we use fated persuasion from keys to force Light of Ixion in wells? I've lost a lot of runs by not getting any chaos
@magic dagger yes

[dry ember]

Peach 🍑

[magic dagger]

heroic sure footing feels pretty good

[turbid needle]

Got that once, decided to test it after the Lernie fight.

Stood in magma for five seconds before I started taking damage.

[gusty elm]

this was nice lol: https://i.imgur.com/eD24xPr.jpg
(the boons involved: https://i.imgur.com/8SrpUvk.jpg)

[turbid needle]

So it occurs to me that Achilles now has a much more viable Serrated Point build.

[toxic wolf]

Achilles spear was one of my favorites in concept but I felt like I wasn't winning with it as often as I expected

hades spear seems like it's a lot better now though I feel like the spin isn't gonna be as useful the higher heat you get

[turbid needle]

I love getting Enshrouded Curses in pre-boss-shop Chaos boons.

You get one room at the start of a biome that you can't decipher and then poof, Epic Affluence.

I lied, a 4 Chamber curse expired as I entered Elysium's overlook Chamber.

It's just a free boon (if you have Fated Authority to check the shop exit in Chaos).

[next light]

uh, thanks POM boon?
https://i.imgur.com/WCfespG.png

a whole .93%

[dry ember]

you should f10 that lol

[lament coral]

they improved pom scaling on it

which rarity Bronze Skin is this?

[dry ember]

I don't think can level up bronze skin, can you?

[lament coral]

you can

I know that Common is 5%

you can level Aphrodite's DMG resistance, too

[dry ember]

well with 1% damage reduction, I would wager you take around 1500 damage ish throughout the run ( assuming consuming all 3 DDs and healing, etc.) that pomp just gave you a whooping 15 damage reduction for the run

appreciate it while you have it mate

[turbid needle]

Does Double Strike affect Lightning Strike and Splitting Bolt?

[lament coral]

anything that does lightning damage (yellow numbers)

so yes

[cunning urchin]

@next light what rarity is that Bronze Skin?

[next light]

Bronze skin is Rare (blue) 7%

[cunning urchin]

Thank you.

[civic barn]

How do people feel about divine strike on sword? actually, now that I'm actually raising my heat, how well does arthur do with full Hard Labour and Forced Overtime?

I don't think I can dodge properly with Nemesis on high heat, so I might as well tone it down but I really don't like Poseidon's aspect the way I play

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike on Nemesis is really good. Its damage is already so high, you don't even need Hunter Dash. You can just get Divine Strike + Divine Dash.

[civic barn]

🤔 maybe i switch to priv status if I do that then

[cunning urchin]

I'd probably not do that. Divine Strike doesn't reliably apply any status curse. You need Blinding Flash for that, but you don't always see that, and it's not always the option you'd want to pick.

And if you get Deadly Flourish for Deadly Reversal and t2 crit boons, that doesn't apply a status curse either.

[turbid needle]

Stygius's Dash-Strike can backstab, though, and that's very quick way to pick up damage.

Heartbreak Strike is the most optimal, but Divine Strike and Exposed have a niche.

[cunning urchin]

I probably wouldn't call it niche. Duckterror did 40 Heat with Divine Strike + Divine Dash and Double Edge.

[civic barn]

right, i figured exposed wouldn't be that hard to get; but I'll give these few options a juggle and see how it goes

i did try it with heartbreak but i start running into issues with witches

witches...witches everywhere 😩

[cunning urchin]

The way I see it, I'd rather get Brilliant Riposte than Blinding Flash if I see both, for example. But with Privileged Status, I need to get Blinding Flash and another status curse to get any bonus from it.

Yeah, projectile spam is just hard for Stygius without Deflect.

I should probably post this here, too, for anyone who's interested. Pom and rarity scaling for all +% Attack boons up to Lv.25. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[hushed ledge]

omg

it's so good

[cunning urchin]

Thank you.

[hushed ledge]

i hadn't realised just how well divine strike was in damage terms

it's middle of the pack

but you get this huge utility

why is pos so bad

[cunning urchin]

Because he has the best single-target call and one of the best casts, maybe.

[hushed ledge]

yes but the attack is just sooo bad

[cunning urchin]

Still trying to make Tempest Strike work on Malphon lol.

I see a lot of people using Tempest Strike on rail 4, though.

[merry oxide]

what's a good build for hades aspect

[cunning urchin]

You have a lot of options, really. Deadly Strike is very strong once you apply the debuff.

Divine Strike gives you some safety.

[merry oxide]

maybe aphro and someone else?

[cunning urchin]

Quick Spin, Massive Spin, and Serrated Edge are probably the best hammers for it.

Heartbreak Strike works, too.

[merry oxide]

what would you say is the best overall build for it?

in your opinion

[cunning urchin]

Hmm that's really out in the open still. And it depends on your pacts etc.

[merry oxide]

just doing em1

[civic barn]

I like demeter attack on hades

I feel like the issue isn't so much you can't dodge with hades, but you kinda need to apply the spin often

so that really helps

though if you can get quick spin heartbreak definitely feels better

[cunning urchin]

With only EM1 and nothing else, I'd just go with Deadly Strike, Hunter Dash, get Attack damage or Dash-Strike damage from Master Chaos.

Basically, just push my damage higher.

Maybe Passion Dash to apply Weak and proc Heart Rend or Crush Shot for that.

[serene nexus]

The fact that they buffed the spin radius massively for Hades Aspext helps as well

Quick question. Can you even get Fully Loaded with Stygian soul?

[cunning urchin]

But that's also because I'm confident I can clear without any boons, so I would just stack damage to clear faster.

So maybe put Deflect on your attack or dash to be safer.

[serene nexus]

Deflect on dash or attack is nice.

[merry oxide]

quick spin

[cunning urchin]

You can get Fully Loaded with Stygian Soul, yes.

[merry oxide]

nice

[serene nexus]

Also Athena Attack and Artemis special with their duo on Demeter Knuckles is broken as heck

[cunning urchin]

Sounds like a good start.

[serene nexus]

If you time the specials right you can chunk a great deal of HP off of bosses

[cunning urchin]

@serene nexus that's what I use. Make sure you get Hunter Dash, too.

[serene nexus]

Might try that combo more melee builds... maybe Nemesis with Athena special and Artemis attack

[cunning urchin]

If they're open, just spamming Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper combos does the most damage.

[serene nexus]

For even more crit chance

[cunning urchin]

I'd rather put Divine Strike on Nemesis than Deadly Strike.

[serene nexus]

Good point. Athena can’t usually crit but Artemis can

The deflect on attack is easier to procc too

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

And you have Deflect on Attack for utility.

[serene nexus]

I really like the fourth sword aspect though. Although I am unsure if it’s a good idea to bring it to a FO2 run

[cunning urchin]

With Brilliant Riposte and Deadly Reversal, those Deflects will do a ton of damage.

[serene nexus]

Right. I use that on Athena Dash all the time.

[merry oxide]

any interesting luci builds aside from the obvious?

[spring turret]

Had an amazing time with parting shot, crush shot and the poseidon sword

Did 3308 dmg per cast on backstab

absolutely murdered hades

And that was without shadow slash

Basically had Aphrodite's Greater Call levels of Dmg on each cast amped with priv status

[inner patrol]

Don't know if this is a bug or feature, but Exit Wounds doesn't work with Stygian Soul bloodstones anymore

[unkempt pagoda]

likely a bug, stygian soul bloodstones still dislodge

haven't seen anything about that changing

[inner patrol]

I'm leaning more towards that, too. With this week's challenge out of the way I might see if I can get some more runs in to see if I can't find it again to

[grim loom]

is this where i might ask about particular mechanics?

[unkempt pagoda]

sure, go ahead

[grim loom]

does Sure Footing (athena's reduced damage from traps) have any effect during the final boss fight? im not sure what things technically count as 'traps'

[unkempt pagoda]

the urns count as traps

i'm not entirely sure of the waves do, but the urns do big damage (especially with heightened security), so sure footing is a nice pick-up for them

[grim loom]

oo ok

im torn between a free 25% on my god gauge (aphrodite) and that reduced trap damage

[unkempt pagoda]

ah

if you find yourself getting hit by traps a lot, or just want to increase survivability, i'd go sure footing

[grim loom]

still a very low heat boi tho

[unkempt pagoda]

a free aphrodite call can be useful too, and can stunlock bosses (and gets you closer to the max call quicker)

[grim loom]

yeah im just wanting it for the free damage chunk

[modest urchin]

hera and aphrodite feels like the most infuriating combo to play with

[grim loom]

whyzzat?

[modest urchin]

sometimes my aphrodite cast just shoots through the enemy

[unkempt pagoda]

wait, now that thunder flourish has an internal cooldown

can we get assault flight back sgg

[grim loom]

ended up going with free god gauge cus im pretty good about avoiding the urns now

and it worked out!

am i being cheap by relying on shield and aphrodite call

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

If it works, it's good strategy.

[grim loom]

cool

[unkempt pagoda]

if it's not an exploit it's fair game, and even then it's not like hades is multiplayer

[cunning urchin]

They put those aspects and boons in the game for you to use them.

[hexed fable]

Don't feel shame for doing thing

[cunning urchin]

When the run comes together, it might feel like you've 'broken' the game -- but you're a god in this one and that's what we're going for!—Amir

[grim loom]

😄 fair enough

[cunning urchin]

I break no-EM Asterius by just deflecting ~99% of his Attacks with Malphon and Divine Strike, and they haven't shown any interest in nerfing Deflect yet lol.

[grim loom]

no-em?

[unkempt pagoda]

extreme measures

[cunning urchin]

As in, no Extreme Measures.

[grim loom]

ah

[hexed fable]

Yesem

Followed by the legendary

Gottem

[grim loom]

havent gotten up to third layer of EM yet so thatd just be asterius to me lol

[hexed fable]

I am little by little adding more and more heat to each weapon

Gotta say the extra gold increase hurts

[grim loom]

ive been slowly adding more to extreme measures and benefits package and finally got 3, 4, and 5 heat for the first time today

found a stride w chaos shield

[hexed fable]

the extra specials really do make the build

[hushed ledge]

nice!

imo it's worth doing FO fairly early as well

[grim loom]

hhhh but i dont wannaaaaa

[cunning urchin]

No need to force yourself.

[mighty ermine]

it's easier to acclimate to than you'd think

if you do decide to go for it!

[spring turret]

heat is purely choice-based so do whatever floats your boat

[grim loom]

no yeah i know i should

[spring turret]

that being said some options are more gruesome than others

[unkempt pagoda]

maybe unpopular but i quite like middle management

adds a nice spice to the gameplay

[grim loom]

which ones that again?

[mighty ermine]

i don't think that's unpopular

it's good

[unkempt pagoda]

miniboss variants

[spring turret]

makes minibosses harder

[grim loom]

ahh

[hushed ledge]

FO is really fun imo!

[mighty ermine]

similarly to EM and BP

the spicy options

[hushed ledge]

I need to start using BP more

[grim loom]

i have enough trouble w the minibosses as it is .-.

[hushed ledge]

MM is hard

definitely

[spring turret]

BP becomes an rng fest at some points

[unkempt pagoda]

well, depending on which minibosses you get

[grim loom]

benefits package actually isnt as annoying as it might seem

[unkempt pagoda]

some are more difficult than others

[hushed ledge]

imo wait until you unlock c||ompanions|| before doing MM

[mighty ermine]

i have a soft spot for pact options that aren't just "you can't do this" or "stat increase"

[unkempt pagoda]

i have a soft spot for middle management barge of death

[spring turret]

Oh boy have you never seen the speed bruiser, gravity lava slinger, or teleporting comboes before

they are nasty

[hushed ledge]

boat is still easy with MM ngl

[unkempt pagoda]

really takes me back to the old days

[grim loom]

||oh ive been holding shady tight to my chest ever since i got him||

[hushed ledge]

like it's always been easy since day 1

[unkempt pagoda]

honestly it could have more

[hushed ledge]

boat is just a mess

it's so chaotic but it's never going to be hard in a fair way

[spring turret]

Boat and witch circle are the two ones you want

[grim loom]

is the boat legit supposed to be a miniboss encounter? ive never found it very difficult

[spring turret]

power couple is brutal without good dmg

[mighty ermine]

at least JS can't make MM boat even worse

[hushed ledge]

boat is a miniboss

[unkempt pagoda]

old, old boat was quite difficult but it was really fun and blood pumping

[hushed ledge]

it was the miniboss in ash

[grim loom]

witch circle has nearly killed me every single time i come up on it

[mighty ermine]

as in potentially bombs exploding at all possible times

[unkempt pagoda]

MM boat comes close but not quite

[hexed fable]

Oh man Power Couple is my least favorite

[hushed ledge]

i have no memory of how old boat was different sadly 😦

[hexed fable]

Mainly cause the head always flys away

[spring turret]

i agree that boats easiest one though

[mighty ermine]

i actually find witches easiest now

[unkempt pagoda]

more enemies than now

and i think back when wave makers were still op

[spring turret]

Yeah in some cases witches can be easier

since its just shorter

also can destroy most projectiles

with quick hitting weapons

[mighty ermine]

yeah, it's not so bad if you focus them down methodically

they don't have much health at all, really

[spring turret]

or just use deflect

heh

[grim loom]

i can barely tell whats going on through all the projectiles

[unkempt pagoda]

the walls are your best friends

[spring turret]

non MM you can destroy all of their projectiles

[mighty ermine]

i hadn't taken off MM in so long that i didn't even think about what non-MM witches was

i guess that makes sense lol

[spring turret]

MM they get one more attack which is honestly easier arguably since it does less dmg than a spread

but u cant destroy it

[grim loom]

ah

[mighty ermine]

it can still be deflected though

which is funny

[spring turret]

yeah

Asphodel got somewhat easier because they added witch circle so now you have two good case scenarios for mini boss

boat and witches

[unkempt pagoda]

it balances out the quite difficult mm power couple

[grim loom]

maybe im just getting bodied by the new minibosses cus im not used to them at all

i got killed in tartarus twice by the sneak

that was. bracing

[spring turret]

depends on the weapon really

[unkempt pagoda]

the sneak is annoyingly difficult lol

[spring turret]

with melee weapons actually not too bad, but with bow its a bit harder atleast for me

[grim loom]

i think it was like, bow and gun

[unkempt pagoda]

however i will concede that its room is the coolest looking

[hexed fable]

I dread the stone on any bow run or rail run

[spring turret]

but there will be someone here who finds bow easier with sneak

[mighty ermine]

sneak on FO2 is such a pain

please stand still

[unkempt pagoda]

the sneak is just playing by zag's rules

[spring turret]

Good thing it doesnt have too much hp, only problem is getting hits in

the bad thing is that when it teleports it loses debuffs

so shared suffering/statuses are removed

[grim loom]

golly i cant imagine BP elites w the speed thingie plus forced overtime

[mighty ermine]

yeah, it's obnoxious with hades aspect

losing the punishing sweep debuff

every time it goes away

[unkempt pagoda]

BP speed chariots

zoom

[mighty ermine]

please no

[hexed fable]

[mighty ermine]

i just had a horrible experience with them today

that i never want to relive

[spring turret]

nemean chariots are really scary honestly

[unkempt pagoda]

with +damage for an extra kick to the knee

[spring turret]

they have high hp, high dmg and high speed

they have like every rpg element squashed into one enemy

[mighty ermine]

and their whole body is an active hitbox when they start going

which is whenever they feel like it while armored

[spring turret]

like you dont just make an assassin tank

[grim loom]

i dont know if i love or hate the fact that theres literally a well of charon item that makes flame wheels go away

[mighty ermine]

i wish it worked for the big boys too

[unkempt pagoda]

i hate the fact that it hasn't actually shown up for me yet on this update

[spring turret]

wish i could even get it consistently

have never gotten it yet

[unkempt pagoda]

i just want the prophecy

[spring turret]

haha same

[grim loom]

ive seen it like four times but only bought it once, after which i realized the next room was the pre-boss room

[mighty ermine]

oh look, no flame wheels in the temple of styx

surely it worked perfectly

[grim loom]

i mean, fair

[spring turret]

Must have been retroactive too

[dry ember]

How does Artemis cast work with Beowulf?

[spring turret]

none in tartarus and asphodel

[unkempt pagoda]

it's a generic flare that can crit

[grim loom]

^

[spring turret]

bigger aoe

used to be better before they nerfed the dmg

[dry ember]

So it is AOE still

[grim loom]

damage bonus, yadda yadda

[unkempt pagoda]

low base damage like the regular artemis cast

[spring turret]

on flare

[grim loom]

but yeah it's just a burst

[unkempt pagoda]

all the flares are aoe i believe

[spring turret]

they unnerfed the aoe too, used to have no range, now its respectable range

[unkempt pagoda]

though i haven't tried zeus yet

[dry ember]

Ok

[grim loom]

i actually quite liked artemis cast on beowulf when i got it

[spring turret]

Yeah its pretty good since it acts as a prereq for mirage shot too

[neon bramble]

Demeter cast (icy flare) is huge

[spring turret]

so u can get that one too

[grim loom]

it does also get mirage shot

mhm

[mighty ermine]

is crush shot still weird on beo like normal casts that come out and can lodge

or did that get fixed

[unkempt pagoda]

had an amazing mirage shot passion flare run earlier

[spring turret]

ask @dry ember apparentally he used it

[mighty ermine]

oh right

[unkempt pagoda]

i don't think any casts can lodge on beo

[mighty ermine]

ideally, yes

they used to with crush shot

[spring turret]

wait can they

[mighty ermine]

it was annoying

[spring turret]

wow

[mighty ermine]

they're not supposed to

[unkempt pagoda]

i used it and it didn't, so it must've been fixed

[spring turret]

yeah that would be awful

[neon bramble]

Whenever I see passion flare, I swear I read it in Borat voice.

[mighty ermine]

i completed the run at the time

but yeah it was very awkward

[neon bramble]

I have renamed it Romance Explosion

[dry ember]

Crush shot works on Beowulf

It's just aoe pulse

That's it

[spring turret]

same dmg

right

[dry ember]

Yeah

It also doesn't lodge, which is great

[mighty ermine]

perfect

[spring turret]

I tried crush shot with poseidon sword and the athena aphro duo and it absolutely destroyed hades. Blown kiss helped with increasing the range and I had blinding flash and a bunch of chaos boons which gave backstab bonus

3k dmg per cast

[mighty ermine]

though it seems crush shot is unfortunately still being weird on hera, which is funny

[dry ember]

I've been testing it at around 37 heat, so no rng stuff

[unkempt pagoda]

that reminds me, i should try out blown kiss on hera

[dry ember]

It works great

[spring turret]

I cant tell the range difference

but the dmg is there

[dry ember]

That and some status on attack like doom frost or hangover

[mighty ermine]

it doesn't feel like a big range diff in practice, yeah

[dry ember]

And yoy can trigger Priv Status

You can average 700 damage per bullrush easy

[spring turret]

If it was a bit more and if the range was better indicated by the cast charge arrow

[unkempt pagoda]

did they change demeter's cast to icy flare on hera (like how trippy shot was changed to his flare), or is it still crystal beam

[dry ember]

Big potential for high heat

I'm excited

[spring turret]

cuz the arrow happens behind the cast

this is non-beowulf btw

[neon bramble]

I hope they kept it as crystal beam, only because I can see some interesting combos with cold embrace on Hera

But overall, icy flare would be ideal

[spring turret]

How does it work

just aoe dmg with chill

[neon bramble]

No

The beam creates a laser link to you

And follows you

[spring turret]

wait with beo?

[neon bramble]

No

[spring turret]

oh i was asking about icy flare

[unkempt pagoda]

icy flare is an aoe chill

[neon bramble]

Beo won't get cold embrace

[spring turret]

whats the dmg on it

[neon bramble]

https://imgur.com/a/CuRlPEo

It works best with support boons

[mighty ermine]

i legitimately really like snow burst on beo

[spring turret]

not as good as i thought but still not bad

[mighty ermine]

on anything else, it's just okay

can work with some poseidon aspect builds too

[neon bramble]

Dude, even at LVL 2 I was shredding everything with all the support boons

[spring turret]

oh you have 5 casts

[neon bramble]

Yeah, chaos was nice to me

[spring turret]

How big is the aoe on icy flare

[neon bramble]

Huge

[spring turret]

bigger than the snow burst?

[neon bramble]

Yes

[spring turret]

damn need to try it then

[urban lily]

RRRG!! twice now i have fucked up a run by taking the anvil and losing an important augment for basically no gain

[neon bramble]

If you were set, why take it?

[spring turret]

I had bad hammers and it didnt even spawn

[urban lily]

wasnt thinking

[spring turret]

for one run

[urban lily]

i got the one that makes shield charge into a ranged attack

which was doing wonders for me

and lost it

[neon bramble]

That's a good hammer

[spring turret]

makes beo into better hera

[mighty ermine]

oh huh proxybot is sleeping i guess

just a warning that swearing generally isn't welcome because the server is open to all ages, etc.

[spring turret]

oh i didnt even notice

[unkempt pagoda]

lmao just realized something was off

[clear dome]

huh Rama + relentless volley + demeter is p good

[unkempt pagoda]

did you watch that one heat 48 rama video

[clear dome]

no, i dont watch hades

[urban lily]

i think this is gonna be the runkiller for me

lost a death defiance in a satyr chamber because of this

didnt luck into a refill

[neon bramble]

What hammers did you get in return?

[urban lily]

stuff that augs my special

i never use it

[neon bramble]

Which ones?

[urban lily]

im not very good at the game

uhhh

[neon bramble]

Tell me

Dashing flight and charged flight?

[urban lily]

charged flight and explosive return

charged flight basically useless vs hades

[neon bramble]

Ok... What's your flourish?

[urban lily]

..flourish? sorry i am kinda new

[neon bramble]

On your special. What boon?

[urban lily]

none

i dont really use the special

[neon bramble]

Can you get one?

[urban lily]

no

[neon bramble]

Because you can CHUNK Hades with it

For like 2-4k

[urban lily]

oh good to know

ill keep it in mind for next time

thank you

[neon bramble]

That hammer is far from useless

It's a boss killer

[spring turret]

with beo i think but regular shield is 15 dmg right

[neon bramble]

Oh I thought he was using Beo

[spring turret]

I dont know if he is

but just saying

[neon bramble]

Since he was saying he had charged shot

Which is really only good on Beo

[spring turret]

Not like it doesnt exist on other shields

[neon bramble]

True

[spring turret]

and by exist i mean you can pick it up

[mighty ermine]

y'all carci is she/her btw

[clear dome]

carci?

[mighty ermine]

carciclarbtor

the player they were talking about

looking at screenshots and getting kinda sad that ruin was cut http://puu.sh/G2NwA/138dfb0302.jpg

[untold vortex]

just a handy bit of advice, if you don't know ones pronouns use they/them ^_^

[unkempt pagoda]

ruin was so good

[lament coral]

that's probably why it was removed

[unkempt pagoda]

unfortunately another absurdly powerful thing bites the dust

[lament coral]

it's for the best

[unkempt pagoda]

no❤️

[clear dome]

rama, double shot, poseidon lvl 2, chaos fist epic

is this viable?

[unkempt pagoda]

perhaps

poseidon attack sucks but it can do

[clear dome]

double shot, double push, somehow it managed to push back boss units lmao

[lost cairn]

I picked up Lucifer yesterday, but since I alt+f4'd, it didn't save 🙂 so I have a new chance to pick up a hidden aspect. Which would you suggest?

[lament coral]

Lucy, it's the best

[unkempt pagoda]

does arthur’s aura also disable urns

[cunning urchin]

No.

[unkempt pagoda]

gross but fair

[modest urchin]

For weapon hammers that do the triple attack in the \|/ can you run into an enemy’s hit box and shotgun them with all 3? It kinda looks like I can but the numbers pop up too quick for me to really tell.

[mighty ermine]

With spear I'm pretty certain you can't

[fringe torrent]

Bow yes, rail yes, spear no

[modest urchin]

Oh cool.

[mighty ermine]

I've tried to do that and I haven't gotten it to work

Yeah

[modest urchin]

I was using rail but because of ramping damage and crit it was hard to tell for me

[fringe torrent]

just take the shotgun at that point (:

[modest urchin]

It’s not as versatile though I think. I only do that for bosses usually

[fringe torrent]

if it's still the way it is, dash attack on shotgun still fires two shots

[modest urchin]

And I don’t use an aspect that goes well with shotgun I think. Only running the new one and Hestia usually

[fringe torrent]

combine that with Artemis and you got yourself a run

[modest urchin]

I absolutely love Artemis with rail haha

It’s one of the few times I take Artemis for attack boon

[cunning urchin]

When things are going too fast, record your gameplay and watch it back.

[modest urchin]

I do have OBS set up from my FFXIV days

[cunning urchin]

Stacking damage numbers can make it difficult to tell 1 hit from 2 hits or more.

[modest urchin]

How do you feel about eternal chamber btw?

[fierce thicket]

Lucifer aspect with tempest strike is so fun, just a super soaker pushing everything

Eternal chamber would be very nice for this actually

[modest urchin]

Just rely on wall slam for damage?

[fierce thicket]

Well it's not a super serious build but yeah, probably

Razor soals helps a lot if you can get it

[worthy adder]

couple of questions: does dash attack bonuses work on multi hit combos

like if you dash with sword's 2nd or 3rd attack it doesn't quite look like the neutral dash attack

also, does crystal beam inflict chill?

[cunning urchin]

Are you talking Excalibur's combo? That's not a Dash-Strike if you dash inbetween.

[worthy adder]

got it

[fierce thicket]

Crystal beam does not chill

[worthy adder]

huh I thought it did but I think maybe i had that thing that inflicts chil on casts too and taht was confusing me

[lost cairn]

There's a boon that makes it chill though

[cunning urchin]

Glacial Glare gives your Crystal Beams Chill and a longer duration. It's a t2 boon.

[modest urchin]

I wish the base crystal beam is just a tiny bit more useful

[lost cairn]

I kinda broke it yesterday. I had both the Demeter/Aprho and Demeter/Artemis duos

So it was tracking me but also the mobs? somehow. I thought if I had one of them, I won't be able to pick the other

[fierce thicket]

I really dislike the aphro/dem duo, used it once and it felt worse than regular beams

[lost cairn]

First I hated it, second time much better. It's basically tracking the mob you're hitting, and it's as fast as you are

You have to be a bit mindful of positioning

[cunning urchin]

It doesn't track both if you have both. It tracks you, but it lags behind.

[lost cairn]

Yeah wasn't sure, but the two together is much worse than a single one 🙂

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[modest urchin]

I rather have lightning rod over the duo that tracks you lol

[fierce thicket]

Does exclusive access raise chances for legendar/duo boon or does it just make sure everything is at least epic?

[cunning urchin]

Makes all the standard boons at least Epic.

[acoustic venture]

hmm, just got || skelly's companion || and im not sure about its utility and whether I should upgrade it or save ambrosia to unlock other || companions || and fill up other characters hearts

[turbid needle]

Anyone feel like aphrodite is underwhelming? I only ever use her if shes the only option and I put her on the peripherals instead of attack/special. If I'm playing sword or fist I'll take her dash, or sometimes her cast very rarely.

I say this because I'm wondering if anyonr has tips or thoughts on how to utilize her better. I like the pink heart visual effects but I take nearly any god over her gameplay wise.

[pseudo lark]

Aphrodite's a very easy way to Privileged Status.

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite's Attack and Special boons deal the most damage except for some specific cases where flat damage is better.

[turbid needle]

weak is good and she has good duos

[stuck elbow]

Tbh nab her attack for strong scaling and then Dio/Ares on special

Get the appropriate Duo and of to the races you go

[acoustic venture]

like others have said, Aphrodite gives really solid boosts, and actually is even better once you max out Privileged Status to pair with any other Status Curse, bc then its a free 40% damage buff, plus the heavy damage in addition to it, even if im not crazy about her cast, her strength is not to be underestimated

plus possibly the heaviest hitting single target call, maybe only rivaled by Artemis if all arrows go to one target

I'm seeing a lot of people using Sisyphus' || companion || is there any most useful or least useful || companion || to use?

[pseudo lark]

||Sisyphus's companion heals you and deals good damage. Skelly can be helpful by distracting your opponents. Both can be used fighting the final boss.||

[turbid needle]

whats a ||companion||

[pseudo lark]

whats a ||companion||
||Max out affinity gauge with either Meg, Than, Sisyphus, Skelly or Dusa, do a certain favor for them and then offer Ambrosia to them. Then they'll give you a companion summon.||

[turbid needle]

that sounds fun. i ||bonded charon|| and got nothing but it was worth it

[cunning urchin]

plus possibly the heaviest hitting single target call, maybe only rivaled by Artemis if all arrows go to one target
Lord Poseidon has the highest single-target damage by far.

[pseudo lark]

It's awkward to control though.

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid is the second-weakest Call in terms of damage. Only Demeter's Aid is weaker.

You can get lucky with crits, but the average damage is less than Lady Aphrodite's even when Heroic.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing

[urban lily]

wait arent there six ||companions|| now? whos the last?

also yeah i have had a lot of luck with skellys especially versus the heroes

just makes the whole battle so much easier

[rare kayak]

huh you know now that i think about it i dont think ive ever actually seen a heroic boon naturally

[lapis pilot]

Mmm is this the right channel for discussing ||Theseus|| strats?

[errant narwhal]

yep!

[lapis pilot]

Any ways to bait out the shield drop? His partner I don't have a problem with but it's stage 2 of the fight that bothers me and chews through death defiances

[lost cairn]

@urban lily|| Achilles and Patroclus||

[lapis pilot]

(yes i know there's piercing from artemis boons)

[urban lily]

ahhhhh thank you!

[lapis pilot]

stage 2 just gets really busy when the olympian aid kicks in

like for example can the spear throw be deflected?

[lost cairn]

How is Posseidon's call the highest damage?

Just bumpin my target to the wall?

[cunning urchin]

No, just hit your enemy repeatedly. You don't need wall slam damage to beat others in damage.

[lost cairn]

Intresting. So not only the highest damage, but you can facetank entire phases with it

[cunning urchin]

@rare kayak you can only get Heroic boons from Exchanges or by upgrading them through Eurydice or Rare Crop.

Yeah, if you put a couple poms on it, you can essentially skip any boss phase with a Greater Call.

[lost cairn]

I'm having fun with it atm. Had some crits with pressure point too

[rare kayak]

yeah thats what i guessed

[lost cairn]

@cunning urchin Can I find these google sheets somewhere? Seen a couple already

[cunning urchin]

Er . . . one's been pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[lost cairn]

Thanks, never dared to check that channel lol

[cunning urchin]

I'm active there all the time lol.

You can just ask me for a link, too.

[hushed ledge]

That channel is super supportive don't worry about not being good enough for it!

This whole server is very supportive

[lost cairn]

My first Lucifer run: Concentraded Beam + Epic Swift Strike from Hermes. This feels insane

@hushed ledge Yeah I'm sure about that, but I felt maybe those strategies don't really apply to my runs 🙂

[hushed ledge]

I could see that

[untold quiver]

So I think after getting everything into the 10+ heat range I'm liking Posidon Blade, Beowulf Shield, Achilles Spear, Rama Bow, Talos Knuckles, still can't decide on the rail

[versed tide]

39 gold for 31 damage, is this buffed price of midas?

[cunning urchin]

@pine solar the aura actually disables traps.

[visual birch]

Just had a build with the Chiron bow, where I used Aphrodite on my attack and Artemis on my special. Completely destroyed everything, it felt so good.

[untold quiver]

Yeah Artemis special on Chiron is my favorite for single boon...I like Ares and Demeter more when I can stack things but on it's one that one is nice

[grizzled lintel]

Chiron bow doesn’t seem very good unless you invest a lot of Titan blood in it?

[stoic thicket]

It's one of the few aspects that really, really suffers with not being maxed.

[grizzled lintel]

Hmm

Which ones are good just barebones?

[visual birch]

Maxed out Chiron plus daedalus upgrade is devastating

[stoic thicket]

Hera Bow is one of them. Rail 4 generally doesn't care about maxing or not. Poseidon sword still works even with only a single blood invested.

With most of the aspects they become just better when you put more blood in. Chiron becomes very bad at the beginning and quite good at the end.

[grizzled lintel]

Yeah. It was the first one I bought and it was disappointing.

[stoic thicket]

Yup, Chiron needs maxed or almost maxed aspect to be worth it, otherwise I wouldn't bother. Sorry to hear that the blood invested didn't work out.

[versed tide]

11 gems for 39 gold

I feel insulted by charon

[grizzled lintel]

It’s okay man it’s no big deal

Still got a clear with it

Just gonna unlock a bunch so that I can get the fourth bow aspect and then unlock the others when I’m ready

[versed tide]

13 gems for 46 gold

it gets better!

[rare kayak]

hades spear is still pretty fun when unmaxed

beeg speen

[acoustic venture]

huh wow, I was only looking at damage from like a one time hit, didnt even realize Poseidon's was so strong

[zenith jay]

Are summons once per room?

[grand cedar]

Yes

[zenith jay]

Oof

Saved 4 for hades

[stoic thicket]

Also most of the summons ||don't work against Hades. Only Sisyphus and Skelly do.||.

[zenith jay]

Its sisyphus

Also, is the chaos shield good with other gods besides zeus?

Zeus is busted

[cunning urchin]

Do you mean Chaos Aspect specifically or any Aegis aspect?

[zenith jay]

Chaos aspect

The extra shields are too good

[cunning urchin]

Try Doom on Special and Deflect on Attack or vice versa. Or Doom on Special + Divine Dash.

Drunken Flourish is also good.

Frost Flourish is also strong.

[zenith jay]

I will

I wonder is stacking chill is good

If*

[cunning urchin]

The idea for Doom is to get Merciful End.

Well, Frost Flourish on Chaos Aspect is an easy way to proc her DOT if you can get that. And it's an easy way to proc Privileged Status.

[zenith jay]

Chaos shield

[turbid needle]

whats the 3rd shield called again?

[zenith jay]

The blitz disc i guess

[cunning urchin]

Aspect of Zeus.

[turbid needle]

yeah that ones fun. that with dionysus or aries lets you play Beyblade in Hades.

i got through almost a whole run only using the special

[stoic thicket]

Alright, time for try #3 at the Peach challenge of the week.

[dry ember]

God speed you beautiful human being

[lapis pilot]

alright i see what people mean about chaos shield and zeus with deflect lol

[stoic thicket]

And lost again. Only a single chaos gate the entire run. No Lights of Ixion, no more rerolls, no chance.

It's kinda funny. The hard part of the challenge is not making do with what lady luck gives you, it's getting enough Chaos gates to actually fulfill all the conditions.

[dry ember]

Are you surveying the rooms before leaving?

[stoic thicket]

Of course, no timer active, I'm taking my sweet time.

[dry ember]

I found one that I would have missed had I not done that

Ok nvm then

[stoic thicket]

There unfortunately was only a single gate, and the run was somewhat promising at least.

Hades aspect spear with the new buffs is fun.

[dry ember]

Yeah new spin aoe is nuts

[turbid needle]

Saw a crosspost from reddit this morning and holy what it's huge with Massive Spin.

[mighty ermine]

it's hilarious with both quick and massive at once

entire room spanning spins in less than a second

[flat brook]

somehow i got hades to 11 hangover stacks right before he died? https://imgur.com/a/5fPAkLr

[grand cedar]

Death is the final hangover.

[lament coral]

hm, that's strange

8 is the max with Aphro/Dio duo

[flat brook]

yes, i had that one and was very surprised when it surpassed 8

as soon as i unpaused he died, maybe it's some wonky before death moment thing

[stoic thicket]

Quick clarification for the Peach Challenge - if I already have two Chaos boons, am I required to take gates that are offered?

[hasty garnet]

Wow, the homing bullets on the gun are really good

[dry ember]

Quick clarification for the Peach Challenge - if I already have two Chaos boons, am I required to take gates that are offered?
I think the spirit is that you take it

Otherwise there is no reason to buy every light of ixion offered

[stoic thicket]

Yeah, will do.

Btw, this run will likely work out, and is carried by, of all things, Ares Dash.

I actually got Vicious Cycle.

[cunning urchin]

It's not listed as a rule that you have to take every Chaos Gate.

[prime knoll]

Just tried out Aphrodite-Demeter Duo with Hera bow. Wow. Those were some quick boss fights.

[dry ember]

It's not listed as a rule that you have to take every Chaos Gate.
No, but that's how I interpret the spirit of the run.

[hasty garnet]

Got homing bullets wirh Artemis' "shoot an arrow every time and enemy gets hit" boon. There's so many damn bullets flying around everywhere.

and everything's homing

[dry ember]

Support fire is great

I really like the name, too

[hasty garnet]

I've got..let's see, Deadly Strike, Support Fire, Pressure Points, Clean Kill, and Hunter's mark with the homing bullets hammer upgrade. I'm just shooting and critting damn near everything.

[prime knoll]

nice. looks like you could use some attack speed to round it out

[hasty garnet]

Probably, but already in temple of styx so I'll see if I have a hermes upgrade or something

[prime knoll]

You've unlocked Hades' Farming Mode where you hose everything down.

[hasty garnet]

mmnope, athena and dionysius. Still good

[stoic thicket]

Peach Challenge done, screenshot is in victory boasting. Man, that took longer than I though it'd take.

[hasty garnet]

oh and targetting systems so enemeis can barely reach me anyways lol

[prime knoll]

I'll have to check out that hammer. I haven't tried the homing shots yet. I've been exploring ways to use Rama's Special. My favorite so far is Frost Flourish with the detonation on full stacks.

[hasty garnet]

Foes projectile speed is slowed by 40% Many thanks Dio buddy

[acoustic venture]

is Zagspect Spear maxed worth the blood?

[lament coral]

I consider it the 2nd best spear aspect

[hasty garnet]

Got Hermes speed boost on dash ability, but I don't seem to have a speed boost. Weird

[chrome flame]

So I just posted this in the new players area not realizing there was a dedicated build advice section -
New player here and I have been playing the bow. I was thinking of switching to shield and am not sure which aspect to use? I was thinking of using the first aspect, damage reduction because it is cheap to level up in blood cost but I hear a lot of people say chaos is the best aspect. What is everyone's opinion here?

[peak iron]

Chaos is the most fun shield to use IMO.

[lament coral]

Chaos is the easiest

it's the best blood investment you could make in the entire game

[peak iron]

Zagg shield is pretty meh, and you also get enough safety with your block where damage resist isn't really necessary

[chrome flame]

ok good to know

thanks

[hasty garnet]

Blegh, well dont need the speed boost anyways, a lot of dash and gunning anyways

[lament coral]

are you sure you don't move faster after dashing?

it should be obvious

[hasty garnet]

Yeah, I spent several minutes dashing around in the pre-final boss room. I wonder if it has to do with me sliding around after a dash.

Ill try restarting the game and see if it's still doing it

Ok that fixed it. Weird

[acoustic venture]

what would be #1 spear aspect then?

Upgraded GY?

[peak iron]

They're all equally awful, because the spear is awful

jkjk, I actually like Achilles, the extra mobility feels good to me

[acoustic venture]

did the buffs they put out do anything to help it?

Hades actually seems possibly worth while now, and the buffs across the board might make it play a bit better

[lament coral]

@hasty garnet sliding is a sign of high movement speed. Press F10 if the issue reappears.

[hasty garnet]

👌

[lament coral]

• Eternal Spear (Guan Yu Aspect): increased Skewer special width *(same as before the Blood Price Update)

so it's better than it was, thanks to the speed increase from the previous patch?

[unkempt pagoda]

damage is still lower

though only 5 less than before

[lament coral]

yeah, I don't think that makes up for it

I don't even need to test it, I know it in my bones

[hasty garnet]

Hammer bigger dash attack for more damage
Chaos Boon to get more dash attack damage
Welp, guess I know what build Im going for this shield run

[zenith jay]

Do you guys prefer olympian favor or dark foresight on the mirror?

[vivid agate]

]

[knotty kindle]

@zenith jay Between Olympian Favor and Dark Foresight I tend to prefer Dark Foresight as I value potentially having more boons and poms over rare quality boons. The hammers are nice too but I have bad luck with my hammer rolls so... yeah

[zenith jay]

Yea I also picked dark foresight now, I didnt think enough about it before

Btw, I picked the butterfly as keepsake, can I change it between regions? Or do I lose the bonus damage?

[main osprey]

You'll lose the bonus, sadly

[turbid needle]

Ares Doom stack build work well?

[main osprey]

What weapon?

[turbid needle]

Coro

[main osprey]

Mm, probably not

Maybe with Chiron/Rama special

[fierce thicket]

i have trouble categorizing doom into a weapon type, i've read it's better on quick weapons but it seems weaker than zeus/dio multiple procs and dire misfortune does not appear very often for me

[magic forge]

My favorite is Aspect of Zagreus, and get the "Dread Flight" upgrade from the hammer if you can. That combined with a boon that increases your shield throw special's damage and you basically turn the Special into a win button.

Oh sorry, I was replying to an old discussion, it seems.

[main osprey]

No worries lol

[turbid needle]

Personally I like Demeter, Hermes, and Zeus Boons on Varatha.

[magic forge]

Does anybody else think the Chain Skewer upgrade for the spear is OP? It's by far my favorite hammer upgrade in the game.

[unkempt pagoda]

had an amazing hades spear serrated point build earlier, unfortunately i died bc i played way too recklessly

i played like i had athena dash but i, uh, did not

[magic forge]

I just looked up that upgrade, I don't think it's been offered to me yet in any of my runs. Yeah that has serious damage potential!

[unkempt pagoda]

it does, but the reduced dash range really hurts

[magic forge]

Agreed about divine dash, that can make-or-break most of my runs. I specifically try to get it in the 2nd region.

[lost cairn]

hey, anyone tried the new zag shield?

[main osprey]

https://imgur.com/4YcOBu8
So Hades Spear with Massive Spin is really big :D

[flat brook]

Feels bad https://i.imgur.com/qNc7Z6r.png

[main osprey]

oof

[grand cedar]

Ugh. The worst.

[austere epoch]

You know whats annoying? The archers in Elysium that have the speeder and/or teleporter perk

They already are trying to get away from me and now they are much more effective at it

[grand cedar]

Lmao. Benefits package basically turns up frustration dial to 11.

Oooo you can't curse here.

[grim loom]

i put on my first level of forced overtime and didnt even really notice it 👀

[main osprey]

:D

[austere epoch]

Its always nice when a build that I have 0 actual expectation of winning a run ends up winning

mainly because I just end up panicing and some how win

[main osprey]

mood

[grand geyser]

Do you guys know any good build for Guan Yu?

[main osprey]

quick spin

I did a good one recently with zeus attack

I've been told special builds are good, haven't tried one yet

Athena attack is good, don't go Poseidon attack

[austere epoch]

Is it theoretically possible to outrun the called back shield with aspect of Zeus if you get enough bonus speed?

[main osprey]

yup

you don't even need that much extra speed, I don't think

[austere epoch]

Yeah it feels like maybe just like 20%

[main osprey]

nah

just tested it

two dashes is enough

just go in a wide enough circle

[austere epoch]

Oh yeah, Im currently running the alt dash thing

so I only got 1

alright I finally got enough titan blood again to unlock Guan Yu

[main osprey]

nice!

[austere epoch]

Now I just got to make it up to the surface for the prophecy

I suck with the spear

[main osprey]

best of luck ^.^

[magic dagger]

guan yu is nothing like the other spears

[austere epoch]

I will atleast get to Elysium, and then I will likely die to Thesus

[magic dagger]

is almost another entire weapon

I will atleast get to Elysium, and then I will likely die to Thesus
@austere epoch use special from range, and don't get hit

[austere epoch]

Dont get hit! Wow why didnt I think of that

Lol

[main osprey]

it's extra important with GY :P

anyway, we'll stop distracting you

go for it!

[austere epoch]

I bet, Im starting with 30 health

[magic dagger]

I actually wasn't joking, people often facetank

[austere epoch]

Alright well any particular gods boons that are exceptionally good for GY?

[magic dagger]

arti special

athena attack if you're spin2winning

[austere epoch]

For that crit?

Okay

Okay well Ill force Artemis first and then just go from there

[magic dagger]

get charged skewer if you can, quick spin if you can't

[austere epoch]

Is there a way to force a hammer at the start like you can with gods?

[magic dagger]

no

[austere epoch]

That would be a cool keepsake

But I feel like that might be a little OP since most hamemr upgrades are damn powerful

I just realized I cant afford to take chaos when I only have 30 max hp

Forgot about the swearing thing

[main osprey]

I mean you can

[austere epoch]

I did

[main osprey]

hahaha

[austere epoch]

Its early enough in the run that I just said screw it

The alternitave was a darkness room reward

[bronze mesa]

which god boons are better for chaos shield?

[main osprey]

anything that stacks (Dio, Demeter) or something like Ares are all good for your special

Athena is good for any of your boons

[bronze mesa]

i don't have Demeter unlocked so i guess Ares/Dio
I'll try thanks

[main osprey]

good luck!

[austere epoch]

I didnt know you had to unlock Demeter

Makes sense

[main osprey]

I think they mean the keepsake?

[austere epoch]

Ah

[bronze mesa]

i guess she in Styx only tho... never saw her

i stuck on Elysium boss

[main osprey]

Mmhmm. You'll get there ^.^

[austere epoch]

Oh god. I have the inferno bomb chaos curse and its terrifying on the tiny rat spam rooms in styx

Welp I ended up dieing to the traps in Styx on my first GY run

[main osprey]

yup, sounds about right xD

[austere epoch]

I ended up having a pretty good special

Was critting for about 1.4k

And ended up just cheesing Thesus. Opened the fight with Megs companion thing and then killed Asterius, and then just burned Thesus down with the zues call and double strike

murdered the f*** out of him

[ripe garnet]

uuhh guys i'm trying to get the new duo boon from ares and poseidon, i have got in every run flood shot and other ares boons

but so far i have never got the duo boon...any tips?

[main osprey]

do you have the mirror talent that increases the rate of duo boons?

[ripe garnet]

yes. i have the mirror fully unlocked

[austere epoch]

Duo boons can also have specific required boons

[main osprey]

nah, I think that meets the prereqs

[austere epoch]

Like Demeter/Artemis requires the crystal beam

[main osprey]

just poor rng, I'd guess

[austere epoch]

Where Demeter/Ares requires a blade storm or whatever ares thing is called

[main osprey]

flood shot and other ares boons
those sound like the prereqs to me

[austere epoch]

Oh IM an idiot

I missread that ignore me

[main osprey]

nah, just didn't notice it :P

[ripe garnet]

now that i checked, i was using the mirror bonus that gives you +20% chance of epic boons lol

[austere epoch]

Uh looking at the wiki, it looks like you need specifically Flood Shot and Curse of Pain

[ripe garnet]

Uh looking at the wiki, it looks like you need specifically Flood Shot and Curse of Pain
@austere epoch yeah, i had both of them but the duo boon didn´t appear :C, guess i just gotta keep trying

[austere epoch]

Yeah sounds like just bad RNG

Im dreading my duo hunting

Im have just naturally gotten half of them but its going to be a pain to finish that prophecy

Well I have 5 duos to get

If Im lucky I could theoretically get 3 of them in one run

[magic dagger]

snap nova hurts

[hushed ledge]

GY

[turbid heart]

i dont understand the Beowulf aspect. like it seems like a meh aspect

[hushed ledge]

play it defensively

[turbid heart]

also its so much harder to hit with spells then Hera bow

but why use it over Chaos aspect?

[hushed ledge]

it's very much not an aggressive aspect

because it's different?

[turbid heart]

it seems worse

[hushed ledge]

it's very different

why use any aspect at all over chaos aspect?

they're all worse

[grand cedar]

I feel like I can kill more easily than chaos.

[turbid heart]

not gonna put any blood into it

[grand cedar]

It's like Hera shield for me.

[hushed ledge]

beowulf is weird because it scales pretty well imo

[turbid heart]

i got it to surface for prophecy and thats it

[grand cedar]

Oh for the record I only leveled up chaos once. So maybe the disparity is larger down the line.

[hushed ledge]

max chaos

it needs those levels

and it's absurdly strong

it is probably the single best use of blood in the game rn

[turbid heart]

chucking 6 shields is too good

[grand cedar]

I'm trying to see how far I can get without leveling. But now that you mention it, I should probably clarify my background before I get into aspect comparisons lmao

[turbid heart]

used it with poseidon on special once. hilarious.

[grand cedar]

EXPLOSIONS GALORE

I can't even imagine. It never even occurred to me what max chaos would look like haha. Wild

[turbid heart]

its a good way to spread something like doom on all enemies too

i do like the Lucifer aspect cause i dont like any of the other rail aspects. Rama just seems not great like Hera is too good

[grand cedar]

Rama impressed me more than I expected. But yeah I'm thinking Hera is still better.

Lmaoooo I feel the same way about Lucifer.

I was like. Do I love this. Or have I just finally found one I want to use.

[turbid heart]

rail has always been awkward for me

[grand cedar]

I end up using the reload rail one but it feels so annoying with the hammers. I wished it just had a straight line. Rifle aspect. Single shots.

*straight up rifle aspect

[turbid heart]

then it would be bow

[turbid needle]

There's Hestia.

[turbid heart]

bow without powershot is like a rifle

[grand cedar]

I actually love getting the hammer bow that doesn't have charge.

Xddd

[turbid heart]

its great with the double shot or the bouncing shot

[grand cedar]

Bow enjoyment can change dramatically. Depending on hammer.

[magic dagger]

I just turned Meg into a sandwich

on a cursed slash run

[turbid heart]

also they ned to buff the money sword hammer upgrade

its actual trash tier

like 1000 gold is only 50 damage

[dry ember]

50 damage post multiplier

so the %damage boon also do not apply

[turbid heart]

when are you running around with 1k money except maybe temple and that's without buying anything,

like its just a bad upgrade

[dry ember]

I mean tbh 50 damage is still a lot

the thing is it pains me to leave behind the things you can buy the Charon shop

[turbid heart]

you wont ever really run around with 50 damage

[untold vortex]

tbh anything more than 6 maybe 7% would be absurd

[dry ember]

I am ok with the damage per say

just that the opportunity cost of that is too big

[rare kayak]

triple shot with bouncing is pretty good

[dry ember]

Triple Shot Chain Shot is one of my fav bow build

good aoe, and even single damage if you go point blank

[rare kayak]

i love chain shot

a lot

both chain shot and chain skewer are just fun to watch

[dry ember]

ricochet bullet is also fun

basically the equivalent on Rail

really solid on something like Hestia Rail.

[magic dagger]

I have now lost two runs in a row because of snap nova disrupting my rhythm and making it harder to hit 👍

[dire wedge]

I only get Snap Nova with Poseidon aspect. Makes for some safe cast dislodging without committing too much.

[magic dagger]

I only take snap nova with AP2

[austere epoch]

I have only gotten Snap Nova once and it was from the random anvil thing

I do not like it

[valid elm]

What's a good build for malphon?

[magic dagger]

divine strike makes you basically invincible

ares attack with divine dash and merciful end deals a lot of damage very quickly

[empty robin]

@valid elm depends on what Aspect

[valid elm]

how about zagreus aspect

[magic dagger]

how about zagreus aspect
@valid elm that just makes divine strike make you more invincible
you also want hunter dash for the bonus damage

[empty robin]

Then Zeus is not a bad option with the innate Attack Speed. Many people like Athena on attack but I'm not a fan because of the low damage. If you chain your Dash Strike a lot then Athena is great

[cunning urchin]

I thought I put the DPS arguments about Divine Strike on Malphon to rest when I cleared 41 with it. Guess not.

Deflects with Brilliant Riposte and Deadly Reversal do a ton of damage.

And Hunter Dash gives you easy access to Support Fire.

[grand cedar]

lol well to be fair, I'm going to assume the findings of a 40+ heat player may not generalize across the populus in the low heats XD

[olive horizon]

Does the zeus lightning damage on the rail apply to the first enemy hit or only the secondary enemies hit?

[magic dagger]

lightning damage hits the first enemy

[olive horizon]

OK, thanks.

[grand cedar]

i didn't relize the lightning damage was on the first hit too. neat

[cunning urchin]

I actually used the same build for most of 0~20 Heat. The DPS doesn't match Merciful End, but it's good enough to clear TD2 consistently.

[magic dagger]

DPS is for chumps
revenge builds are the way to go

[grand cedar]

I meant if you have the talent and skill to do 40+, your efficacy with divine malphon may be far greater than your average bear.

Ew...revenge boons, customs take em

[ionic jacinth]

Holy moly, the poseidon/ares duo is crazy fun

[cunning urchin]

Revenge boons can be really good.

[dry ember]

DPS is for chumps
revenge builds are the way to go
Why take 21 mins for a clear when you can do a one hour run, drink coffee, and read some news while doing it.

[grand cedar]

i remember did build revenge once and was surprised at how well it worked. lol But ugh, can't wrap my head around it

[cunning urchin]

Holy Shield and Frozen Touch are so much value in a run.

The other revenge boons also exist.

[grand cedar]

is holy shield just athena deflect on dmg?

[dry ember]

yup

basically Spearpoint as a boon

which also does damage

[cunning urchin]

Almost. Still can't Deflect AOE attacks whereas Spearpoint makes you fully invincible. But Holy Shield has no cooldown.

[grand cedar]

hmm i didn't think about that. when i was messing with revenge, i glossed over it. also never used spearpoint much tho ppl rave it. Interesting.

[cunning urchin]

I used it a lot more before the cooldown.

[dry ember]

yeah it's OK if you use stubborn defiance, too

so your suicidal tendency actually does damage also.

[cobalt wind]

Im trying to farm the legendary boon from artemis but the game just refuses to give it to me, does anybody know the new requirements?

[stoic thicket]

Just woke up and saw the new patch notes. Well, Hades aspect spear was fun for like a day.