#h1-builds-and-combat

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livid comet
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then beaten hades

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well, almost everytime

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on 0 heat also

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_>

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ugh not a single artemis boon in asphodel

livid comet
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OH

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I JUST REALISED ARTEMIS ISN'T WEARING A SCARF

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ha ha ha

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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quick question

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does stygian soul stop you from getting arty's legendary?

main osprey
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Don't think so

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Stygian is recharging bloodstones, right?

livid comet
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yarp

main osprey
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But yeah, neither of them should prevent the Arty legendary, to my knowledge

livid comet
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okay

main osprey
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o7

untold vortex
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Yeah that is correct swan, the only way to prevent yourself from getting arti legendary is by picking up a cast boon that doesn't lodge

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Ie ares, dio and demeter casts

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As you'll no longer be able to pick up exit wounds

torpid orbit
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i had arti legendary with stygian

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few runs ago

untold vortex
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Arti legendary is fairly hard to get on current patch unfortunately

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Because it requires 2 t2 boons

main osprey
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Both || Dual Shot and Exit Wounds ||

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o7

untold vortex
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I forgot about Dio, ty

main osprey
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Lol

naive tusk
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Aphrodite's can lodge aphrodite

main osprey
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But not consistently

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I guess, does it block exit wounds?

cunning urchin
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It does not.

livid comet
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omfg

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I got every artemis boon

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except

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fully loaded

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dual shot, true shot, exit wounds, quick reload, greater recall

main osprey
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Yup, that'll happen

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Are you at the end?

livid comet
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yep

main osprey
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Oof

livid comet
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and no artemis boons in sight

main osprey
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Big F

livid comet
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

main osprey
livid comet
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at least I got a titan blood out of it

untold vortex
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I blame being tired klinkLUL

main osprey
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In your defense, it doesn't always lodge ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

hushed ledge
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I need to figure out how to use rail

untold vortex
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Same

hushed ledge
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it's by far my worst weapon

lament coral
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pick Zag, pick Zeus keepsake, get Zeus attack, ???, profit

hushed ledge
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that assumes:
A. I can aim
B. it works

lament coral
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did you turn aim assist off?

hushed ledge
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i play kbm

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iso makes aiming real hard

lament coral
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so do I, turn aim assist on if you wanna be able to hit something

hushed ledge
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hmm

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i guess i'll try it ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

lament coral
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I have no problems aiming in Diablo but in Hades it just doesn't work

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especially awful during the Hydra fight, can't hit the heads without aim assist

smoky oasis
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how do you turn aim assist on on PC?

hushed ledge
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controls

turbid needle
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it should be on on default

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at least thats how it was for me

smoky oasis
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maybe I turned it off for some reason

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It feels hard whenever I play range weapons. Can't hit anything

hushed ledge
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i have it turned off because it's awful in general

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... I've just been offered two boon replacements in a row in tart with 1 core boon

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???

untold vortex
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That can happen it's just incredibly rare

hushed ledge
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ye

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but it's just so weird

lament coral
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aim assist is on by default

livid comet
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hmmm

hushed ledge
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do the jolts from lightning strike hit bosses?

torpid orbit
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Yep

hushed ledge
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hmm

torpid orbit
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not that much damage tho

hushed ledge
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I think this heroic drunken strike is better

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got it as my food boon as well

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Got my 16 heat rail clear!!!

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Had zeus attack for everything other than FB

untold vortex
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Pog

hushed ledge
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life affirmation MVP, had 424 max hp

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time to turn off aim assist lol

livid comet
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YES

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I FINALLY GOT IT

hushed ledge
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6x16!!!!

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(also this run was absurd the only reason my hp was so low is that i just facetanked a laser phase to nuke FB down even faster than the "5 seconds to half health in p2")

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it really never felt overly fast until FB

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but YAY

livid comet
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noice

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I've currently got pos atk+special

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art cast, dual shot, exit wounds, fully loaded, quick reload

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using aspect of poseidon

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:)

hushed ledge
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nice

livid comet
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Oh, and flurry cast

livid comet
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damn

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still died to FB tho

untold vortex
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you'll get em next time ^_^

livid comet
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ah well

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task failed successfully

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got fully loaded and a diamond so that's a win in my book

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okie, night!

untold vortex
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ayy klinkHyper

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ni ni Dagger klinkCozy

turbid needle
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I really tried to make rail+lightning strike work but I always run out of time with it ๐Ÿ˜”

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everyone says its so good maybe I'm just not good with it

dire bough
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trying to decide which fists to level first, aspect of talos or demeter?

lament coral
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Demeter definitely offers more damage

dire bough
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is it a hassle to try and work out the 12 hits before the special?

lament coral
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work out?

dire bough
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as in 12 hits then special

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like is timing that tricky? or does it flow well

lament coral
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just practice on Skelly, it's easy to keep track of

dire bough
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ok great

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thanks ill def give it a go

hushed ledge
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It tells you when you have the charge as well

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Also, I don't use TD specifically so I can build the slower builds

turbid needle
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I just wanna find builds I can make work for high heats tbh

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but experimenting is also fun

dire bough
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TD?

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yeah im at super low heat so almost everything is working, just leveling up keep sakes atm

turbid needle
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tight deadline

raven radish
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I started using TD at Rank 1

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honestly I feel like 9 minutes isn't too bad

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Rank 2 feels tight for me, though

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also, +1 to Aspect of Demeter. Your special can just delete.

turbid needle
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9 minutes isnt so bad until elysium and EM3

hushed ledge
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I can't do TD1 even lol

dire bough
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i think my first td1 was with chaos shield with zeus and pos

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had a few other conditions, but wasnt high heat, maybe 6?

hushed ledge
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I have 6x16 but TD just puts too much stress on me

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I'm way too proud of 6x16 even though it isn't that hard

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But it's a big milestone

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Next one is getting slowly to 32 with 1 weapon

dire bough
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its all relative but 6x16 is pretty great

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this game is crazy addictive, i've put in 60 hours in 2 weeks of having it

hushed ledge
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It's so good

dire bough
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it's got a great gameplay loop, and at 30 aud its ridiculous value

hushed ledge
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I bought it on release

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Yeah ikr

dire bough
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tbh i didn't hear about it till a few weeks ago

untold vortex
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30 aud is incredibly cheap for what you get :3

hushed ledge
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I literally bought it as soon as the "you can buy this now at whatever-it-was dot com" screen showed up at the game awards announcement

untold vortex
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I was incredibly stubborn about not using the EGS then (and arguably still now) so I happily waited the year before buying but pre-ordered as fast as I could when the steam page allowed me too

hushed ledge
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Haha

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Nah I have EGS specifically for Hades

untold vortex
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that's fair, ngl probably gonna buy hades again on whatever platforms it launches on (that I own) when 1.0 happens

hushed ledge
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I might end up rebuying it on steam at some point idk

dire bough
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yeah im in that "not using EGS" boat as well

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maybe thats why missed this for the first year, i'm generally aware of most games, esp something from SG

hushed ledge
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For me I was just like "I care more about supporting supergiant asap and getting my hands on their new game than I do about supporting a currently subpar platform

dire bough
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but yeah incredible value, and considering they're adding even more content it seems like

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yeah fair enough

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though even if i got bored right now, this is the best value ive had $ to hours invested

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though my thumb is getting a bit of RSI from hitting space bar to dash all the time hah

hushed ledge
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Yeah take a break

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That happens

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Don't play too much

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I generally limit myself to 3-4 runs a day at very most

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And also do hand exercises whenever I have spare time waiting for something

untold vortex
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gotta pace yourself...says the person who played 50+ hours in the past couple of weeks

sour thorn
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can someone tell me how to unlock secret stashes?

hushed ledge
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I should check how much time I have in the game recently if I can

untold vortex
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what do you mean by secret stashes? @sour thorn

dire bough
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yeah steam has me at 60 hours in the past 2 weeks haha

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i think ill take a break from gaming this weekend, and next week just mix it up with some rts or something

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got that new C&C remastered

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though im coming into this game after working my way through rdr 2

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though im super keen for this june update

hushed ledge
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play WoW to take a break

sour thorn
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the locked spots inside the keepsakes @untold vortex

dire bough
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you know what i love about this, i play so carefully until hades, then at last fight, i lose 2-3 death defiances almost all the time im melee lol

untold vortex
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oooh, the big ones down the bottom?
||you unlock those by giving 5 (1 yet to be added into the game) a bunch (6?) of nectar, do a thing for them and then you should be able to give them ambrosia||

hushed ledge
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FB is a hard fight

untold vortex
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from memory those are ||Meg, Thanatos, Dusa, Bouldy/Sisyphus and Skelly||

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if you're referring to the keepsakes themselves, give a nectar to the character it mentions

sour thorn
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got it

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thank you!

untold vortex
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no worries ^_^

leaden hare
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https://i.imgur.com/y3TIxqR.png
while I was farming darkness, I accidentally knocked a witch into this circled area
unfortunately I didn't took a picture at the very moment it occurs ๐Ÿ˜”

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shall I try to report this tho? I'm still in this chamber, but I'm afraid that I cannot pinpoint the problem correctly via F10 report

novel prawn
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wait a minute... isn't the witch dead?... I see that you can go on the boat for the next reward

untold vortex
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Yeah F10 that please Rox

leaden hare
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@novel prawn At that moment I was like "Why would you go there!?" and just... instinctively rushed into lava and took it out

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I just realized that was a bug after I killed it

novel prawn
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I had something similar happen to me when the Hydra went past the wall... luckly I had the railgun with me, so I used the special to hit him behind the wall... what weapon did you have?

leaden hare
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I am using Aegis
Happy lava bathing, Zag

novel prawn
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(P.S.: The Hydra going over the wall was before the Technical Beta. It might get fixed in the next patch)

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ah ok

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I see

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hmm

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not sure how you hit it with that. with special? not sure if your normal attacks can go through the wall

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or can they?

leaden hare
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There is a opening on the right side of those tombstones, however, my special cannot reach this foe bc it's in the dead corner
That's why I have to run inside to eliminate it

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btw I have reported this incident via F10, thank all of u who give me suggestions and discuss this problem with me!

turbid needle
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got it finally

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my mistake was not using hestia

knotty vigil
unkempt pagoda
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bug probably, did you report it?

random hull
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301 roughly a 20% increase from 251. My assumption would be that the Pom shows base damage while the HUD shows the damage after modifiers.

carmine rivet
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Looks like beta content @knotty vigil , please only post in the beta channels

knotty vigil
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@carmine rivet Yes, sorry.

@random hull That would make sense but I only had the +8% damage modifier from ares I think. I have another item there but I don't think that boosts the cast.

@unkempt pagoda No, wasn't sure if it was a bug.

sudden dagger
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What do y'all think about zag bow? Is it alright?

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Bow is my last clear I need

unkempt pagoda
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it's great

sudden dagger
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I have Hera lvl one but also 5 blood to spend

unkempt pagoda
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with chain shot + triple shot you get some devastating attacks

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the increased crit stacks with artemis attack as well

sudden dagger
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Sweet. I'll try it out!

sand cape
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i like chiron personally, because it makes the special stronger than usual but also still allow me to do any other build

bleak creek
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Hi all!

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:]

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I am enjoying the heck out of Hades and just wanted to drop into the Discord server.

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I am terrible, but I am fine with this - My runs are getting better. ๐Ÿ˜›

dry ember
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Hello there

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Welcome!

stoic thicket
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Trust us dude, everyone ran into a multitude of brick walls early on. Again and again and again and again.

bleak creek
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I favor the bog-standard Stygian Blade and hope to upgrade its Aspects into something prettier. :] I adore Lil' Dusa, favor Poseidon, Achilles, and her with my nectar,

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(and of course The Goodest Boys)

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and of the Boons, well...Dio, Venus, and Zeus provide the ideal mix. Haven't met Demeter. :]

stoic thicket
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Using a roman name for a greek goddess in here. You are a brave soul.

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Just kidding.

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Demeter you can only meet after you've done a specific thing, don't want to spoil anymore.

bleak creek
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XD

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Ahhhhh

livid comet
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ah man

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I remember when megaera was a brick wall

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you just gotta get them talents

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those make life a whole lot easier

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And then heat makes life a whole lot harder but by that time you've probably gotten gud

turbid needle
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2 dashes rly do make the difference

livid comet
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laughs in ruthless reflex

frank tide
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I've yet to beat meg without the second dash xD

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always dodge in exactly the wrong direction

sudden dagger
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That happened to me too until I watched a video of jawless Paul walking away from the circles and decided to try that :o

livid comet
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it's really easy when you're far away from her

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I have more trouble with alecto than anyone else

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hey guys

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how in the heck do I get the Defiance boon from Chaos

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does Chaos even have a skill tree

mighty ermine
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the defiance legendary boon from chaos just requires you to have visited chaos at least once already in the run

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from there it's pure luck

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so you can't get it on your first chaos encounter, but can for your second and so on

naive tusk
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Having Fated Persuasion helps!

livid comet
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'kay

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fun builds with Achilles?

mighty ermine
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pretty much anything cast-centric, so hunting blades, crystal beam, etc. can all be pretty fun

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and even regular blade rifts without the duo can still be decent with achilles

naive tusk
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(Get Electric Shot like I did one time)

livid comet
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hmm

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yeah achilles spear feels aggressively bad to handle

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GY is bae

hushed ledge
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I have 0 clears with achilles lol

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GY is definitely bae

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wolskLove gy

thick raptor
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Achilles is what I've mostly been using with the spear, the extra mobility option has been somewhat useful, but overall I mostly wind up just picking up tripple dash attack and some extra dashes

hushed ledge
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GY is just like really good bow

dry ember
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Yeah that's about accurate haha

livid comet
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really good bow that doesn't have any windup time for powershot

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๐Ÿ‘Œ

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welp

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achilles

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beat lernie

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all defiances lost

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woo

magic dagger
hushed ledge
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zoom

livid comet
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what's the difference between a standard encounter and an encounter?

hushed ledge
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non-boss

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maybe non-miniboss as well

sand cape
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i guess it is to specify that mini boss and boss rooms cant have more enemies

livid comet
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hm

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aight

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next goal: be cheeky and bring daddy's spear to the top

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๐Ÿ˜

sand cape
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he got a new one and he have something to say about it

midnight karma
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@livid comet I was able to get the legendary more consistently by having at least 2 Chaos boons

sudden dagger
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^That's interesting @midnight karma . I compulsively take chaos gates whenever I see them, and I've only seen their legendary once in over 150 runs

midnight karma
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Maybe I lucked out with some boon rarity increase setup

livid comet
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oof

hushed ledge
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this run has come together nicely

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got fully loaded

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on shield

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oh hey epic auto reload

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blocking FB stabs is super awkward sometimes

magic dagger
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I got 1280 darkness from the final boss!

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so that was fun

sudden dagger
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word

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Yeah, getting exclusive access might help to get chaos's stuff

hushed ledge
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I somehow managed to get a "deflect" popup on the titan blood spawning after FB

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LOL

magic dagger
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2 favor boons from chaos hits about as hard as exclusive access

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also, selling two legendaries gives you a lot of gold

hushed ledge
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selling legendaries

midnight karma
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Generally wouldn't sell legendaries. Would definitely sell a lot of duos though. Especially when they no longer have use towards the end.

magic dagger
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0 heat it's fine

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you can sell whatever you want

livid comet
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so Chaos gates can't spawn in styx right?

unkempt pagoda
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nope

livid comet
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rip

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also

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why are there occasional creepy laughing sounds in Zag's room?

magic dagger
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somebody, I can't recall who, mentioned that the creepy noises only happen if you enter the bedchamber when Hades begins his audience
so it's probably just the shades talking in the Great Hall

livid comet
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so can light of ixion show up a room after you've gotten your chaos boon

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I'm trying to grab defiance

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(currently in elysium)

maiden nexus
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All Lives Matter!

livid comet
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@maiden nexus Ayyy, the Tyrant himself. Noice.

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How's the sardines?

maiden nexus
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@livid comet Rich in Iron

magic dagger
livid comet
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bet you were swimming in HP

magic dagger
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hundreds of darkness from a single tinge of erebus feels good

livid comet
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also why the long clear

magic dagger
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I walked a lot

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and collected every trove

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I wasn't even pretending to go for a good time

livid comet
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ha ha ha

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fair

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I've been trying to net the Chaos legendary

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...

magic dagger
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me too, sort of

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I'll get it eventually if I keep farming darkness like this

livid comet
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you think so?

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ah for rerolls?

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how does one farm darkness? grab a dark thirst weapon and get the chaos boons and poseidon?

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arty best girl confirmed

sand cape
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correct and probably in a heat level with all rewards already claim

livid comet
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yeah

magic dagger
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arty best girl confirmed
@livid comet you haven't seen the half of it yet

livid comet
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hm?

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I've already forged Arty's bond tho

modern wyvern
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Hmmm

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dunno how i feel about hera's bow yet

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did a run with the razors from ares and it packed a punch when it got good hits

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but i think i was really lucky with the items and boons

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got +1 cast from chaos

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full cast shot was doing 5k damage to chaos lol

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but its messy to control the razors

turbid needle
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Which Olympian is generally better with the Stygian Blade?

modern wyvern
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if youre running the crit version artemis imo

turbid needle
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Nemesis aspect I'm guessing is Artemis? To max out crit chance.

unkempt pagoda
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depends on the aspect

sand cape
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i like athena for the dash on melee weapons

modern wyvern
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i pick athenas dash on everything

unkempt pagoda
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zag sword is generic enough for any

modern wyvern
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just too good

turbid needle
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Yeah, figured. But what about the basic one?

modern wyvern
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basic one is any i think

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you just run faster

cunning urchin
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Heartbreak Strike.

modern wyvern
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i would do shenanigans with ares and athenas

turbid needle
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@modern wyvern Me too, my runs are always f*cked up without it

modern wyvern
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duo boon op

unkempt pagoda
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you run faster and dash farther, any build on it would just be safer

modern wyvern
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but ive never beat hades with sword

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got 7 heat on bow and gloves

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imma try tommorow

cunning urchin
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Alternatively Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike + Heart Rend. But Heartbreak Strike alone can clear anything up to 20 heat and probably well beyond that.

turbid needle
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So Aphrodite + Artemis, then.

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Wait, Deadly Strike is Artemis, right?

cunning urchin
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Yes, that's from Lady Artemis. Hmm. Well, Deadly Strike alone isn't that great on it.

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It outperforms others when you put some +% damage on it because crit damage is multiplicative.

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Heart Rend adds +50% damage to Weak enemies for crits (which is really +50% * 3 when you crit).

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Out of the gate, though, Heartbreak Strike does the best damage and applies Weak for 30% damage reduction.

sudden dagger
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Zaspect is so fast a dash build can be fun

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Demeter's dash and look for decay

magic dagger
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hurrah. I get to enter the final boss fight with 90 health and 0 DDs on a 32 heat run๐Ÿ‘

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oh, and I have serrated edge

dry ember
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Just no hit him

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Easy

magic dagger
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oh, and I have serrated edge

dry ember
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Just no hit him

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Did I stutter?

cunning urchin
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Don't be rude.

dry ember
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You are the one to talk squirtmeh

hushed ledge
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just got bad news on an ice wine run ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

livid comet
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woo

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(Idk what ice wine does)

dry ember
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your trippy shot also makes a blizzard

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it's really good!

livid comet
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hmm

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I should do a duo run

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need to cross off ice wine, vengeful mood and lightning phalanx

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maybe three duo runs ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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ooh

magic dagger
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if you're lucky and using low heat, you can get it in 2 runs

livid comet
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a zeus ares athena run

hushed ledge
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it also kills the arc time of trippy

sudden dagger
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Lightning phalanx is very fun

hushed ledge
livid comet
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this is sounding like an aegis run

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:)

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so

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Electric Shot, Curse of Pain,

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Since Zeus is the dependency, I should start with him

sudden dagger
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Zeus aegis op

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Almost like he welded it once

magic dagger
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so I did last week's challenge

sudden dagger
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Did I discover the canonical reason why chaos shield with thunder flourish is OP?

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Nice, lucky boons

livid comet
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question

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which god does the duo boon trigger off of?

dry ember
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maybe answer

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like which gods have duo boons with each other?

livid comet
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I'm trying for lightning phalanx

dry ember
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Athena and Zeus give Lightning Phalanx

livid comet
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I've got thunder flourish and athena cast

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for my next boon do I need to take zeus specifically?

dry ember
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you can take either athena or zues

livid comet
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or does it not matter which of the gods I take

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sweeet

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so then I can switch to Ath keepsake

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๐Ÿ™‚

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woohoo

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got the duo

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now the tricky part will be getting vengeful mood

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because I need to have a revenge boon on top of calling ares

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๐Ÿค”

sudden dagger
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Maybe that's why I've never gotten that one

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Is that ares demeter?

livid comet
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no it's ares zeus

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so I need three boons as base

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Zeus boon, ares boon and then one of either

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I've got the zeus boon already

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I need the ares boon and then a revenge boon and then I need to get either ares or zeus

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... fat odds there

magic dagger
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got a new record

cunning urchin
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Avoid the Bladerift core boons from Lord Ares, and avoid all the core boons from Lord Zeus.

raven radish
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damn that was quick

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solid dash strike buffs lol

cunning urchin
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Congrats!

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Soon you'll make Lord Hermes jealous. squirtnya

raven radish
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ugh I wanna do 32 heat so bad

cunning urchin
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Do it then!

magic dagger
raven radish
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I haven't found a target build for it that I can actually get going well lol

cunning urchin
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What weapon?

raven radish
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I've been trying with the rail

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it feels...a bit busted with zeus flat damage rn?

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so it's been my like, go-to base

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but I'm not super duper sold on it

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you true

magic dagger
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how do you get hunter instinct?

raven radish
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you have to have a call

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so if you pick up calls late it might not appear for you

cunning urchin
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You need any Call + Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, or Pressure Points.

magic dagger
#

call boonsshadedisgruntled

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thanks guys

cunning urchin
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It'll make sense when you get it lol.

magic dagger
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bonus crit chance after using call?

cunning urchin
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Do you want to know? You'll get it soon anyway.

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It's ||your God Gauge charges faster when you crit||.

magic dagger
#

iirc it's a stupidly low percentage though

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I've only gotten it like once, on my first file

cunning urchin
#

I think it sounds a lot worse than it actually is in practice lol.

hushed ledge
#

zeus shield + zeus special is really good

magic dagger
#

I wonder why๐Ÿ˜‘

livid comet
#

rip

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died to FB

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(facebook)

hushed ledge
#

you say that but Poseidon doesn't work well with Pos Aspect

livid comet
#

uhh sure it does

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pos cast best cast

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but also report: failed to grab vengeful mood

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so gonna to another run for it

hushed ledge
#

yes i too love knocking away the enemies that i want to special

livid comet
#

๐Ÿ™‚

#

kek

dry ember
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Hey you made it

cunning urchin
#

Flood Shot is definitely among the best casts for it.

dry ember
#

Grats!

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You found Lightning Phalanx, too friendly

hushed ledge
#

I did make it!

magic dagger
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oh shoot I didn't even see that

hushed ledge
#

I got special, size, jolted on the Ely customs

magic dagger
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lots of 16s my guy

hushed ledge
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Which sucked

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Yeah I got 6x16 before going any further

cunning urchin
#

No need to hit enemies with your Special when you've already wall slammed them into oblivion or . . . wherever things go that are overkilled when they've already been dead.

hushed ledge
#

Fair

cunning urchin
#

Also Blizzard Shot is broken.

magic dagger
#

poseidon give bonus cast damage, you don't even need to dislodge stuff

hushed ledge
#

That's true I guess

cunning urchin
#

Poseidon Aspect + Stygian Soul is very common, in fact.

livid comet
#

Pos is no longer a POS

hushed ledge
#

Pos Stygian feels weird

livid comet
#

Pos is now pog

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weird how?

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if you go stygian, pos and fully loaded

cunning urchin
#

Use Persuasion and go for extra ammo from Master Chaos.

livid comet
#

that's the best of both worlds

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or that

cunning urchin
#

Fully Loaded is too unreliable to get. Well, you can go for it, but you can't rely on getting it.

hushed ledge
#

Stygian is real overtuned isn't it lol

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At first everyone just thought it was QoL but worse

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But it's turned out that it's just really really good

livid comet
#

ye

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but it isn't if you don't play it right

#

so I think it's fine?

magic dagger
#

but it isn't if you don't play it right
you literally just cast

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that's all there is to stygian soul, it lets you cast more often

livid comet
#

YES

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WE DID IT LADS

rare topaz
#

Part of me really, really, really wants to have a run where I have Stygian Soul + Aspect of Poseidon + Artemis cast + Fully Loaded + some more casts from Chaos and such

livid comet
#

vengeful mood acquired

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I mean

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that's like

rare topaz
#

What's vengeful mood

livid comet
#

shooting a particular fish in a barrel full of fish

magic dagger
#

vengeful mood is auto-vengeance

livid comet
#

ye

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but I'm just trying to complete prophecies atm

magic dagger
#

holy shield, etc work every few seconds even if you don't get hit

rare topaz
#

What's that again?? I probably already have it but I forget the proper names

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OH

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Fair gotcha

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Yes

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I'm a dumb

#

@livid comet I need the stars to align for me.

livid comet
#

indeed

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orr

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you could make them align for you, courtesy of nyx

rare topaz
#

...

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But das darkness

livid comet
#

that's my roundabout way of saying use fated authority

rare topaz
#

And I'm really bled dry of darkness lately, I should farm that up again

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Yep

livid comet
#

well nyx is the night itself

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which includes the starry sky

rare topaz
#

๐Ÿ‘€

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I'll go for it then

#

Tbh I'm tempted to convert all 21 Ambrosia I have into blood but

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I know that'll bite me in the butt

magic dagger
#

level companions and give gifts

#

much better idea

#

get titan blood by killing bosses instead

rare topaz
#

I don't have a companion yet.

#

Can't wait to get one.

hushed ledge
#

Yeah save ambrosia

#

It's valuable

#

You'll need a decent chunk of it

rare topaz
#

Even though I have like 60 hours clocked into the game.

hushed ledge
#

I really got them basically all at once tbh

#

I went from none to all in like 7 hours

rare topaz
#

XD

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Hopefully I get a companion soon then!

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Oh yeah

#

I forgot I still have like several weapons that are still on low heat

#

Yeah farming should be easy

hushed ledge
#

I've been way ahead of my rewards for a while

rare topaz
#

Even though I really don't want to play with a shield xD

hushed ledge
#

Shield is so easy

rare topaz
#

I know

#

But it's so boring

#

I hate it

hushed ledge
#

I find it fun if you get the builds right imo

#

I basically never use normal attack

rare topaz
#

I really just don't like it. At first it was my fav weapon, but now it's one of my least fav.

#

It's so slow and clunky and just.. Huge bleh.

hushed ledge
#

Although Zag Shield is just not fun unless you get a special build going

#

That's fair

#

That's spear for me

#

Now I just play GY

rare topaz
#

XD

hushed ledge
#

Which is basically just a bow aspect

rare topaz
#

I think I mostly play Posi, Hera, and Excal.

#

Huge fan of the sword, love cast builds, all o Dat

livid comet
#

aph, art, ath and GY

hushed ledge
#

I can't remember any of those aspects for some reason lol

rare topaz
#

Yeet

hushed ledge
#

They might not exist ๐Ÿค”

rare topaz
#

I don't know what Aph Art and Ath are supposed to be but imma just roll with it

livid comet
#

aphrodite

#

artemis

#

athena

rare topaz
#

... Those aren't a thing are they?

livid comet
#

...

#

best gods in the game?

rare topaz
#

Literally not a thing

#

NO

#

Ahahahaha

hushed ledge
#

We were listing aspects

rare topaz
#

WEAPON ASPECTS

#

SHIWAHDJSJ

livid comet
#

ah

#

me big dumb

rare topaz
#

I was like

#

"omg are they spoiling 4th aspects???"

magic dagger
#

imagine using the wrong sword

rare topaz
#

@magic dagger I will end you.

livid comet
#

yeah, imagine using Zag Sworf

magic dagger
#

pfft I heard poseidon and arthur mentioned

livid comet
#

amirite

rare topaz
#

Pfff

#

I actually did a Plume + Zag Sword + T2 Tight Deadline run

#

It was a lot of fun

hushed ledge
#

Imagine using TD

#

This meme brought to you by my inner suffering

livid comet
#

Imagine using Heat

rare topaz
#

XD

#

I hate TD don't get me wrong

#

But I thought it'd be fun and

#

Well it was

hushed ledge
#

It just doesn't mesh with my playstyle whatsoever

livid comet
#

everyone knows the real experts play 0 heat only smh

livid comet
#

my advice to you: grab your GY, get Charged Skewer, Aph attack

rare topaz
#

I hate GY can I ignore that advice?

livid comet
#

And chaos flourish

magic dagger
#

my advice to you: grab my sword, get double edge, win

rare topaz
#

Haha

#

NO

livid comet
#

you hate GY???

rare topaz
#

Soon I'm actually gonna have to run more spear and railgun runs

#

I'm especially dreading railgun

#

@livid comet Yes

livid comet
#

how come?

rare topaz
#

I just didn't find it all that fun to play around with at all.

hushed ledge
#

GY is so good

livid comet
#

ah yeah, I was like you earlier this week

rare topaz
#

I do enjoy how forceful it is and you feel impactful with it, the range is impeccable. I'm not calling it bad, that's incorrect, but I just don't like it on a personal level.

#

I'd pick Hera over Guan Yu any day of the week

hushed ledge
#

Fair

livid comet
#

๐Ÿค”

hushed ledge
#

GY just feels so busted to use and I love it

rare topaz
#

XD

hushed ledge
#

Like no other weapon is just so good out of the gate

rare topaz
#

In fairness I haven't really clicked with any of the spear aspects, same with rail. Any build ideas for both?

#

@hushed ledge Excal

hushed ledge
#

You have a fast low risk high damage long range huge projectile, consistent heals, and that's it

livid comet
#

I just told you

modest urchin
#

i actually love the default aspect for spear lol

rare topaz
#

You did but the thing about that is... I fear the low health. That's the truth.

hushed ledge
#

Get GY maxed

livid comet
#

there is zero risk

hushed ledge
#

It's so much worse at lower levels

livid comet
#

You will take little to no damage

rare topaz
#

If I am to max out aspects why do you think GY would be my first???

hushed ledge
#

And try to learn when it is and isn't safe to farm heals

rare topaz
#

Probably Hera will be maxed first honestly

hushed ledge
#

Because GY is in the gang of it, chaos, Zeus, Demeter, that all hugely benefit from being maxed

rare topaz
#

@livid comet Maybe, but you underestimate the sheer lack of skill I have.

hushed ledge
#

You just mash q and point

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And that's GY

rare topaz
#

XD

#

When I played with GY I barely used special

livid comet
#

therein lies the issue

rare topaz
#

I got spin2win and that

hushed ledge
#

Yeah that's the issue

#

Spin is not a good main attack

livid comet
#

the GY's speciality isn't the spin. It's the special

hushed ledge
#

I actually think higher damage spin is a really bad hammer for GY

livid comet
#

GY hands down has the best special in the game

hushed ledge
#

You want to only use spin when it's safe to do so and you aren't at max hp

#

And it's not that often safe except as a meaty

rare topaz
#

Hmmm

#

Speaking of special reminded me of that spear that allows you to charge back to your thrown spear

#

I kinda wanna try a serious run with that

hushed ledge
#

I basically play GY as though special is my attack, spin is my special, and attack doesn't exist

livid comet
#

I tried Achilles for the first time today

#

It's aggressively bad compared to GY >(

hushed ledge
#

GY is kinda top 2 in the game tbf

rare topaz
#

Don't diss Achilles pls

#

I stan him

livid comet
#

I'm only hatin on his spear

rare topaz
#

The 4th aspect I'm especially excited about is

#

Bow

#

Then railgun then shield, in that order

livid comet
#

if you like bow you'll probably enjoy GY

rare topaz
#

I like bow...

#

With Hera aspect

hushed ledge
#

Yeah GY is just bow

rare topaz
#

x)

livid comet
#

man I wish there was a voice chat here so I could stream hades for you rn

#

to show you how the GY is played

rare topaz
#

God yes

hushed ledge
#

Just use twitch if you have OBS set up

rare topaz
#

Why don't we have a VC

#

@hushed ledge I can't use Twitch, slow wifi.

hushed ledge
#

Iirc they don't have voice chats because moderation and such

#

Because of the language rules etc

rare topaz
#

Fair

livid comet
#

but discord stream is fine?

rare topaz
#

Somewhat yeah. I generally tend not to watch streams. Somehow I stream better than I can watch streams (so long as it's low quality)

livid comet
#

here's how to GY in summary

#

it's practically the only worthwhile spear to invest blood into imo

rare topaz
#

Fair

#

I'll give it a shot, play around with a few different boons and that

livid comet
#

it was also the first weapon I used to get to high heat

#

sure

#

but aphrodite is recommended because she does the highest percent increase for damage on your attack and special

rare topaz
#

Bah, screw damage.

livid comet
#

so you say

rare topaz
#

XD

#

N'aw I'll probably go Aphro if I can since I love Weak

#

Aphro special, Dio attack or something of the sort. Hm, already getting ideas?

livid comet
#

well, as long as you buff your special as much as possible you don't need anything else really

rare topaz
#

Yeah

livid comet
#

additional dashes, more damage, some status curses for privileged status if you run that

rare topaz
#

So just full focus on that ting, gotcha

livid comet
#

I like athena dash a lot

modest urchin
#

i wanna try GY ๐Ÿ˜ญ

rare topaz
#

I do run Privileged Status

livid comet
#

if you get blinding flash, you get safety while you dash as well as exposed

#

which is awesome

#

and your special will inflict weak ideally so you're procing Privileged pretty much all the time

rare topaz
#

Nice

livid comet
#

@modest urchin dewit

rare topaz
#

Privileged is OP

#

Either way gtg folks

#

Xx

livid comet
#

aight cya!

modest urchin
#

my game is bugged and i can't unlock it

livid comet
#

wat

#

o_0

#

did you uninstall and reinstall?

#

๐Ÿค”

modest urchin
#

no

livid comet
#

or is the weapon aspect just not there?

modest urchin
#

the guy won't give me the key word lol

livid comet
#

hmmm

modest urchin
#

i did report it via f10 earlier but just gotta see i guess

livid comet
#

How many other spear aspects have you got?

modest urchin
#

maxed out the zag one and lvl 3 on the second one

livid comet
#

...oh

#

you've definitely spent over 6 titan blood

modest urchin
#

yeah i tried asking for help and no one could figure it out lol

livid comet
#

I'd say try doing a reinstall and see how that goes

modest urchin
#

ok

livid comet
#

omg

#

I GOT MERCIFUL END AT STYX

#

YUS

rare topaz
#

Gz!

dry ember
#

Yus

livid comet
#

cool

#

did a Hera ice wine run

#

that was fun

#

and got all of the ambrosia

#

and now I have almost none because dusa is big oof

turbid needle
#

GY special is lit thanks for the tip

#

I think I can do 32 with this

willow wagon
#

28 heat sheesh

livid comet
#

@turbid needle Welcome to the Guan Yu Gang. You have completed your initiation

cunning urchin
#

I'm sure you can clear 32 with it. Get some poms on your Special, though. squirtnya

livid comet
#

ikr

#

needs to be level 5

turbid needle
#

I didnt get the options for that in this run

#

unlucky

livid comet
#

rip

#

imagine a lucky run

#

amirite

turbid needle
#

hera+trippy shot and anything shield are also favourites

cunning urchin
#

Nectars and poms early on in Tartarus when all you have is the Special and maybe 1-2 other boons.

turbid needle
#

I see

#

I usually go for more boons when i get the chance

livid comet
#

question, does completing a higher heat invalidate lower heat rewards?

#

with GY, you really just need to invest into your special

#

and have some safety in terms of avoiding damage

#

very simple build ๐Ÿ˜„

turbid needle
#

aka get 4 dashes and divine dash dusa

#

๐Ÿ‘

livid comet
#

yep

#

GY works pretty nicely with divine strike as well

#

quick spin + divine strike = big shield of nope

cunning urchin
#

Don't really need Divine Dash if you're not dash-striking.

#

Regular dashes already have i-frames.

livid comet
#

or rather, big shield of n0 u

#

yeah but the window is smaller than divine dash iirc

turbid needle
#

divine dash is super comfy

livid comet
#

and regular dashes don't let you ignore poison daggers

turbid needle
#

I don't like dashes for dmg unless I do ares or zeus tbh

cunning urchin
#

Regular dashes i-frame through poison darts too.

#

Divine Dash is good anyway. Tidal Dash can be great, too.

livid comet
#

get away from me dash

#

personal space dash

turbid needle
#

I've been comfy with 24-28 heat for a few runs now but the other settings scare me shadeembarassed

livid comet
#

doesn't work on the Big Guy tho

#

hm.

#

I'm comfortable with 7 heat

#

๐Ÿ˜‚

cunning urchin
#

You could add Underworld Customs and get pretty much the same clear you had there. Just gotta sacrifice some boons you don't need anyway.

turbid needle
#

yeah that sounds good

#

I'm willing to look into TD2 bc im alraedy used to TD1

livid comet
#

yeah pick up them boons so you can throw them away!

#

wait you reckon I could do 10 heat

#

I should do 10 heat

turbid needle
#

I think you can get away with 10 if ur already 7

#

not a huge jump

cunning urchin
#

Not gonna clear TD2 with that time you had. Gotta either be more aggressive or get more DPS.

livid comet
#

^

turbid needle
#

oh

livid comet
#

i.e pump more poms into special

turbid needle
#

I meant FO2

#

I confused myself

livid comet
#

also swift flourish really goes well in that build

turbid needle
#

TD2 is really bad for me yeah

livid comet
#

makes your special almost as fast as the dash attack on spear

cunning urchin
#

EM3 makes TD2 a lot harder. Elysium already takes long.

turbid needle
#

yeah I usually choke on the boss in TD 1 already

livid comet
#

it's the pesky shield bros

cunning urchin
#

It's a lot of things.

turbid needle
#

approval process seems very annoying

cunning urchin
#

Persuasion helps with that.

turbid needle
#

but I already live without it

#

so its one or the other I guess

cunning urchin
#

I would say with Guan Yu, it doesn't matter if you get Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish room 1.

#

AP won't affect the rest of your run really all that much.

livid comet
#

also anyone wanna tell me why Jawless Paul looks like he's playing on fast forward in his videos

cunning urchin
#

I've no idea who that is.

turbid needle
#

same

livid comet
turbid needle
#

I never watched someone else play tbh

#

idk looks normal to me

cunning urchin
#

If that's fast forward, I beat 41 in 3 minutes less with Malphon. squirtdevious

turbid needle
#

๐Ÿ˜” ๐Ÿ‘Œ

cunning urchin
#

You could watch The_Breakshift's 44 clear with Guan Yu. Maybe that will give you some ideas to make TD2 work for you.

inland locust
#

link?

naive tusk
cunning urchin
#

Never! ๐Ÿ”ซ dusa

dusky mesa
#

are the extra shields from chaos aspect affected by daedalus augments or are they only affected by boons?

#

was thinking up a meme build with explosive return

cunning urchin
#

hmmm no blue hearts I see, guess it slows the run down too much
@turbid needle probably. Damage Control is a problem on high heat for weapons with a low hit rate.

#

Extra shields aren't affected. Only the main shield is.

livid comet
#

woo

#

ez game

#

done with 28 seconds left

#

I also had gold to spare to buy a Titan Blood on the way lmao

turbid needle
#

yeah makes sense

#

I felt like I lost so much time on my run today to dmg control

#

which isnt a problem with other builds

livid comet
#

I just realised I can cheese my way to 10 titan blood... I'm so dumb

verbal ibex
#

is there any reason to skip heat levels ? eg: im at 8 on all weapons, can i just try and do a 16 directly to unlock the 2nd statue ?

lament coral
#

for the statue, yes, you can do that

dusky mesa
#

do the statues do anything gameplay wise?

naive tusk
#

They are just decorations squirtyay

dusky mesa
#

thanks!

livid comet
#

Question: does butterfly proc on treasure troves

naive tusk
#

It doesn't.

errant narwhal
#

they generally dont count as encounters, for chaos curses as well

livid comet
#

rip

#

managed to get 13% damage boost at FB tho so not bad

#

styx is killer for Butterfly runs however

gloomy bone
#

Wow. Draining Cutter doesn't work with Thunder Flourish. So I never get to heal, because Thunder Flourish counts as getting the kill.

lament coral
#

well, technically, you could get the kill if the fist's own damage is enough

#

easily verifiable by punching tiny rats in Styx

gloomy bone
#

It doesn't seem to do that even then. I've had it trigger only twice, after dozens of Special kills

carmine rivet
#

augh, Hermes is giving me greater recall, greater haste(+30%)and greatest reflex(+3)

#

they're all good

lament coral
#

are you absolutely, positively sure that it was the special's own damage that finished the enemies off and not the lightning bolt?

#

or the bolt's AOE

gloomy bone
#

Just tried in another encounter. I even hit an enemy with a sliver of health, killed it before coming back down. Nothing.

cunning urchin
#

Greatest Reflex is waaaay better than Greater Haste.

lament coral
#

hit F8

sudden dagger
#

What if F8 was an Easter egg that invoked the three fates, and you finally saw what they look like

carmine rivet
#

i like passive move speed buff however +3 dashes cannot be passed up

sudden dagger
#

And it turns out, they're the version from Disney's Hercules

cunning urchin
#

More dashes mean more dash-strikes.

carmine rivet
#

more of a special/cast wonk build rn with achilles spear. lv3 arty special and lv 3 dio cast (just got zeus' duo for cast too)

cunning urchin
#

I never even noticed Draining Cutter doesn't work (well) with Thunder Flourish because I never pick Thunder Flourish on Malphon.

#

Well, it's still more mobility than Haste, either way. squirtnya

sudden dagger
#

Draining cutter did not work well for me the time I had curse of special

cunning urchin
#

That's another one I never pick.

#

It makes sense for Curse of Pain if the Doom kills them.

#

Does the Lightning Bolt proc on the same frame as the base damage of the Uppercut or after the Uppercut hits?

carmine rivet
#

does Dual Shot work with Trippy Shot?

#

like i can take it, but does it work well?

main osprey
#

Yeah

#

Really well, ime

carmine rivet
#

oh i just tried it. gonna be veery interesting with scintillating feast

main osprey
#

Ooh, nice

gloomy bone
#

So, there's an animation I don't remember seeing, but I haven't played since shortly after the last major update. I'm using the Adamant Rail, and enemies will have like... gray droplets above their heads, as well as some shiny symbol?

#

I'm using the Zagreus Aspect.

main osprey
#

Could you try to get a screenshot? You can link it here with an image hosting site like imgur

gloomy bone
#

I'll try. I just got a weapon upgrade, so I'm not sure if that'll affect things. But I'll see what I can do

#

But the next room is a boss room, so it might take a bit

main osprey
#

No worries ^.^ best of luck!

gloomy bone
#

Welp. Haven't lost to the first boss in a while. Prooooobably should have tried to heal somehow beforehand. 12 health isn't a good thing to go into a boss room with

turbid needle
#

tried a GY run with approval process didnt get a single flourish...shadegrief

#

up till hydra

#

how do I reset a seed

main osprey
#

Just die

#

That gives you a new one

turbid needle
#

oh yeah I should have done that

main osprey
#

Lol

turbid needle
#

lmao

#

now im actually stuck

#

guess I'll do another build

main osprey
#

Nah, just go into it and die again

#

Or that

#

Lol

cunning urchin
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Did you have Fated Persuasion?

gloomy bone
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@main osprey I can't seem to get it to happen again, though I'm not doing much different

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I remember the animation appearing above Wretched Pests. It was like it was a status effect, but I had no Status Effect Boons

main osprey
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Dunno then

turbid needle
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nah I didnt

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had the deactived mirror talents thing

random hull
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So, there's an animation I don't remember seeing, but I haven't played since shortly after the last major update. I'm using the Adamant Rail, and enemies will have like... gray droplets above their heads, as well as some shiny symbol?
@gloomy bone Were you inflicting Exposed? The symbol looks like sweat droplets.

thick raptor
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Lol, getting mad at myself for play sloppy, forgot I put +20% speed on for the first time

cunning urchin
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@turbid needle Routine Inspection + Approval Process is a combo I would avoid for . . . reasons you will surely have noticed. squirtnya

magic dagger
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routine inspection + approval process is the ultimate gamer move
it's how everyone should start their heat bounty collection

turbid needle
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yeah ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I had to do it by the trial of fire

leaden hare
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Was having a good run into Styx and suddenly the game crashed, it seems like it lost the whole run's progression and sent me back to where I depart

lament coral
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have you started a new run?

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left the courtyard?

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if you haven't done anything, I could try to guide you through a save recovery process

leaden hare
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I have arrived at Styx, went into one of the tunnels and game crashed, I thought it would bring me back to Elysium or somewhere nearby, but it sent me back to the time before this run begin

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The problem is, since I lost the whole run's data, I am not sure if F10 can help the team find what is wrong with it

lament coral
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do it anyway, there might be something useful in the logs

leaden hare
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๐Ÿ˜” Thank you, mysterious crash that takes away thousands of my darkness
glad that I'm not doing a 32 heat run

lament coral
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so do you wanna recover the save or not?

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the game makes a backup when you enter a room, it just doesn't automatically load it, instead reloading the save from before you started the run

leaden hare
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๐Ÿ˜” I have already started another run... so I guess not
Just let me sulk for a while and everything would be fine

turbid needle
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I came to an important realization I cannot deal with the spear guys when I have a spear myself

lament coral
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their spears are longer

turbid needle
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esp when they are bruisers

cunning urchin
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It's a bit of meme that every spear enemy is a better spear user than the god trained by Master Achilles himself.

random hull
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Zagreus isn't the type to follow instructions to a tee.

covert galleon
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how do you get the other special keepsake? like the summon skelly one?

knotty rock
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You have to give him nectar until you can't anymore, and then he'll tell you shortly after what you need to do

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@covert galleon

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Also, only the spear and sword currently have a 4th hidden aspect in-game right now, correct?

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(for anyone to answer)

tepid ridge
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In the beta ||3|| more were added. When the blood price update drops (and currently in the beta branch) ||all weapons but the fists|| will have legendary aspects.

knotty rock
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Oh ok sweet

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I'll save my ||titan blood|| then

stark musk
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Is this the right forum to ask questions about game mechanics?

tepid ridge
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I believe

stark musk
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I have not touched anything when downloading the game, so I assume I'm not on the Beta branch

tepid ridge
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Yea then youโ€™re in the released version. ๐Ÿ‘ Nighty Night update I think

stark musk
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Exactly, honestly didn't know there was a Beta version. Alright, I can see some spoiler tags. If I am referencing weapons and boons, do I need to set them as spoilers?

magic dagger
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not in this channel, no

tepid ridge
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I just used those tags because someone asked a gameplay question that had both a released and beta answer

unkempt pagoda
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if there's a significant amount of story involved, then maybe

magic dagger
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it would be polite to not name the final boss, but other than that, you're probably good

stark musk
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Alright. I have two question then for you. 1) Does the ||Aspect of Hera|| interact properly with True Shot (Artemis Boon for Cast). I am unable to gain criticals using it. and 2) It appears the Bow's special can proc Thunder Florish (Zeus Special Boon) multiple times, but not using the ||Aspect of Chiron||. Is that just me seeing something wrong or is that meant to be the case?

magic dagger
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Zeus special has a very short cooldown that prevents it from working on every chiron hit

unkempt pagoda
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for 1) that's either a bug or you haven't used it enough to see crits

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the only thing hera changes is where the cast is shot from

stark musk
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@magic dagger Danm, alright. I hoped that wasn't the case, since I leveled the Aspect specifically for that build. And @unkempt pagoda I am about 7 mins deep without a single crit. Just seems weird

unkempt pagoda
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for 2) the cooldown was deliberately implemented after chiron's release bc of how broke it was

stark musk
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Boo! Kidding, yeah it does a ton of damage especially with that legendary boon

tepid ridge
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I remember that crit behavior was discussed here before but just bad luck on crit rolls was never fully ruled out in that case afaik

stark musk
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Alright. I will finish the run then and try to just check if I'm just getting unlucky or something might be janky

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I've completely fallen in love with the game though. 45 hours in and it is such a treat.

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Even gotten pretty speedy on some of the runs aswell.

magic dagger
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same.
458 hours in and it is such a treat

stark musk
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I only found the game recently

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like 3? or 4 weeks ago.

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But it is gorgeous

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So looking forward to the June? update

knotty rock
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Iโ€™m 35 hours in

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Finally beat it with every weapon and now Iโ€™m on like 2 heat with most of the weapons (Iโ€™m not sure if heat is really a spoiler)

stark musk
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I've gotten down to a 17 mins run with like 4 or 5 heat.

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@unkempt pagoda I'm seeing crits now. Do you know if multiple casts are put into one, does it count as a single damage source with 1 chance to crit or does it still use 3 instances of damage with 3 chances to crit?

unkempt pagoda
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each cast is a separate instance of damage

stark musk
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Alright, so if all 3 are used in one shot, each seperate cast in that shot have a chance to crit seperately

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Thanks!

livid comet
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legit the gain hp boons for fist suck a lot

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but otherwise they'd be broken I guess?

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might as well have a different boon then that doesn't have to be undertuned because of fists high attack speed

stoic thicket
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Which one you mean?

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The hammer?

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The healing hammer for the fist only works on the special.

frank tide
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I find the leeching uppercut to actually be okay

stoic thicket
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It's ridiculously good in the small Styx rooms with the tons of rats.

livid comet
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I guess?

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it's not worth giving up say, breaching cross or rolling knuckle

stoic thicket
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It's probably not.

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Although truth be told healing in this game always, always comes at a cost.

livid comet
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except for the darkness healing

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that's free

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and Cthonic vitality