#h1-builds-and-combat
untold vortex
hushed ledge
cast is epic
sterile portal
Details. We need them.
hushed ledge
lv 1
dry ember
Epic is good enough imo. I'll go hard gamble and go Chaos
dry ember
Ah k
raw violet
upgraded greater recall
dry ember
What does Greater Recall do?
dry ember
Does it remind you that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer?
hushed ledge
as soon as your casts touch the ground they recall to you
raw violet
actually, i don't think you can even upgrade it
hushed ledge
yeah hmm ambrosia or pom. I'm not really considering nectar here bc i already have the core of my build
dry ember
How many boons do you have
sterile portal
Fox was that a reference to dungeons which are dark
hushed ledge
i have 5 that can be upgraded afaik
raw violet
i almost always gamble on ambrosia
dry ember
Not just any dungeons, the darkest ones
Just count the gods
Excluding hammer and chaos
hushed ledge
ye
sterile portal
Yeah I'd pom at this point
dry ember
For gamble
hushed ledge
i'm unsure on premium vintage (already at epic), and flurry cast (also at epic)
hushed ledge
yeah i don't think it gets much
sterile portal
Only that note, i don't think those two boons can be leveled
hushed ledge
haha
they also get nothing from rarity really
so gonna take pom
yep
3 levels from pom lmao
but worth
raw violet
but it could've been heroic
naive tusk
I'm here!
https://media1.tenor.com/images/e1052f7108fd0998fbce912c562891e5/tenor.gif?itemid=12778977
What's happening here?
sterile portal
Everyone, scatter!
raw violet
uh oh
raw violet
nm, we're actually talking about the game
naive tusk
Cute~
hushed ledge
hmm what keepsake should i grab for ely
naive tusk
Will you guys ever mention Companion Fidi in a strategy? I dare you 😛
hushed ledge
i don't even have companions unlocked yet 😦
naive tusk
Oh! ||It's Dusa's, yeah!||
hushed ledge
i'm fine with spooilers
😛
wouldn't be in this channel
i'm just sad i can't use them!
naive tusk
I'd recommend a keepsake but I always get bashed for my unorthodox playstyle so I will leave the guys to answer that 
cunning urchin
@naive tusk plz ban the dog. I saw him go off-topic earlier in this channel.
sterile portal
What are you playing 6000j? Poseidon sword with all the Arte boons?
hushed ledge
only 1 art boon so far actually
dry ember
Snitch
hushed ledge
but i took her for tart
raw violet
i've run it a few times for higher heat runs to combat bad BP rng
hushed ledge
pos sword with chaos cast boon and greater recall/flurry cast + art cast
cunning urchin
@dry ember begone, you fiend!
sterile portal
If you haven't used it yet I'd recommend Arte keepsake
hushed ledge
i did use it sadly
sterile portal
otherwise, maybe the Hypnos keepsake?
sterile portal
Uh, aphro keepsake to maybe potentially get Heart Rend through other boons? Or athena keepsake for deflect?
sterile portal
Chaos keepsake is also nice for loading up on more chaos boons
hushed ledge
aphro sounds tempting
oh but i don't have the art prereqs for heart rend according to wiki
sterile portal
Keep in mind arte cast doesn't allow for heart rend, so you'd need to pick something else up
yeah
hushed ledge
might take aphro anyways
sterile portal
At this point I'd prob recommend athena or chaos, but obv it's up to you
hushed ledge
oh hey super nova
oh hey aphro legendary
might actually be worse than epic aphro dash
nah
it's more fun
hushed ledge
ikr
early maimed favour putting in work tbh
pos dash, or one of bounty/treasure
i think i just take dash
hmm
that might be actively bad
yeah pos dash seems bad
hushed ledge
ely
sterile portal
I'd say treasure as you're about to hit a point where bounty isn't very useful
Alternatively you can pick up bounty for selling later or benefitting from family favorites
sterile portal
Oh wow, good luck hunting the legendary arte boon
hushed ledge
won't have a chance, got 2 tunnels
sterile portal
you'll be fine without
mighty ermine
if only you had clean kill or heart rend too
that would have been next level ridiculous
sterile portal
That's fantastic man, sounds like it was fun
hushed ledge
this still nuked final boss so fast i basically face tanked him
untold vortex
@spare owl that sounds like a bug to me, so you should F10 that
naive tusk
If I remember correctly, the extra benefits from darkness-gems-nectars via the contractor only apply to room rewards.
Dionysus' Premium Vintage nectar drop is affected because, technically speaking, it's a room reward 🥃
turbid arch
I feel like stuff like that should still be changed in a way that makes it consistent.
Same with the darkness you can buy of charon for example. It is just needlessly confusing if exceptions exist.
Hell, it would make Poseidons Sunken Treasure actually somewhat desireble.
(Which has been nerfed back when they reduced the healing of snacks. Which nobody ever really talks about, surprisingly enough)
untold vortex
that sounds like a bug and should be F10'd
same as the first half of your post in #hades-feedback Icebox
celest mason
I just noticed that the records in the document room that shows your past runs says "Form: Redacted" for every escaped runs. It confuses me. I mean I understand why being slain by Hades is displayed as redacted, but why this one?
cunning urchin
That's for Zagreus Aspects.
leaden hare
Today's winner of Best Uncle is... Zeus!
https://i.imgur.com/85VSDBZ.png
hushed ledge
gz
cunning urchin
Congrats!
leaden hare
Poseidon tried to bribe me w his attack boon in the next round but I died so
sorry uncle Poseidon
viral valve
sooo... what is ambrosia for? and should I exchage it for titan blood? xD
leaden hare
ambrosia can be gifted to some of your friends, you will want to save some bottles for them
viral valve
so its basicaly stronger nectar?
errant narwhal
yep
you definitely wanna keep it and not trade it, its very useful
just maybe not yet at the point youre at in the game, but youll get there!
viral valve
thinking about it woundt it make sense for the cronic to state more cleary what the pickups are for and were to get em?
well. I just got wrecked by anoyed dad the first time so I guess im still not theire yet, yes xD
hushed ledge
the fight is very hard dw
viral valve
I actualy got him down to 10% hp xD
then I tryed slapping the burning skull. my death insued. obviously.
hushed ledge
😛
viral valve
I love the new yellow skills tho. maybee im actualy gona get further more often now. the purple ones never fit my playstyle much
hushed ledge
i only really use the recharge cast green/yellow mirror
the others just don't work as well for me
viral valve
when I last played half a year ago I was kinda bummed how little amount and choise in skills there were xD the switching is such a cool idea
hushed ledge
a lot of the choice is inside runs
I really like the idea of the mirror as a permanent progression system
viral valve
I know . but I like rougelites that give me come consitency to choose before runs. I also loved everspace for that
hushed ledge
I just like purple mirror tbh, the casts are the only real one and even then I take purple for pos sword
the green ones feel like they're trying to do cute things but aren't as consistent for a lot of them
viral valve
like. healthdrain nuke sniper, stealth bomber, or a imortal meatshield
so. theire also green ones later I take it? xD sounds good
hushed ledge
yellow = green
viral valve
oh okay xD
were not quite as varied yet, but since hades has way more varied runs once youre in that makes up for it^^ in everspace you realy only chage gadges and weps and get more than enough drops generaly to always do the same
aaaanyway ima start playing again^^ good day everbody
gusty ermine
main osprey
Nice!
tepid trail
hey guys i want to try a shield run what aspect and boons is preffered in a shield run?
neon fiber
really depends on the aspect
tepid trail
but what aspect do you reccomend to someone who doesnt play shield often?
tepid trail
well i can level up both
turbid arch
Just take Chaos Aspect.
It is the best shield aspect and one of the best weapon aspects in the game.
turbid needle
wondered all the time why I couldnt get explosive launcher, realized both of the aspects I run dont allow it 🤦♀️
thanks wiki
cunning urchin
RIP 41-heat Malphon attempt.
Lernie head slams > me.
TFW rerolling Hermes 3 times and 11 out of 12 offers are common, though.
viral valve
I personaly realy love zeus aspect for a more defensive playstyle. takes a bit of time to micromanage the throw tho.
still ocean
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610629847496261662/718107989545975838/unknown.png?width=1204&height=677
after finishing a chamber (mini boss from tartarus) skelly is stuck in this position. He doesn't leave nor moves, but makes noises when shot at. I think it's weird, should i 
or is this a known issue?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. I'd F10 that.
proven robin
He is T-posing to show dominance.
barren otter
Does Aphrodyte's call (when not at full gauge) do anything to bosses at all? Didn't seem to even do any damage when I was trying it.
still ocean
her ability is to turn enemies against each other, not deal damage (only at full gauge doe)
barren otter
Thanks
So without fully filling the gauge, it's useless against bosses? (unless you decide to turn their minions against them, I suppose)
still ocean
yess
hushed ledge
What calls do you guys like to wait for full gauge and what ones do you blow whenever?
I generally am very flexible with ares/pos/athena
dry ember
Full gauge: Artemis, Aphrodite for bosses
cunning urchin
It's not useless. They don't attack you while they're charmed.
hushed ledge
The big thing for me is that the main advantage of those 3 is the invincibility
Athena is more about using it to do something you shouldn't be able to imo
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid is best used whenever it's up. Amazing DPS.
hushed ledge
So like tanking final bosses spin
dry ember
Also morning folks
hushed ledge
Ares I use to clean up stuff and get out of a bad spot, same with pos although POS is a tad more aggressive
dry ember
Yeah Athena call is mainly used for invincibility
I don't take Ares call.
Most of the time it's a DPS drop
hushed ledge
Ares I'll take if the other options suck
It is a dps drop, but invincibility is good
cunning urchin
DPS drop is a problem on high heat with TD2.
hushed ledge
You're basically trading dps for the ability to freely reposition yourself anywhere
echo bane
Hey quick question, when the symbol on the map is a diamond, how do I obtain that diamond? I thought it would be defeating the boss but I didn't get it
hushed ledge
That's fair
I have no plans to go near deadline in the near future tbh
Just seems so frustrating
dry ember
Hey quick question, when the symbol on the map is a diamond, how do I obtain that diamond? I thought it would be defeating the boss but I didn't get it
You should see diamond at the Hydra only
hushed ledge
If you see it on the map it means you've already gotten it I believe
cunning urchin
TD2 is actually really nice. Lots of heat without really making anything harder.
echo bane
Hmm okay ty
hushed ledge
You can only get each 'premium" reward once per weapon per heat level
cunning urchin
It's just on very high heat when you add other pacts that it becomes harder.
hushed ledge
Tell that to my 53 minute 1 heat run I had earlier
hushed ledge
I go fast if a run wants me to
Otherwise I'll happily poke away at a boss for 8 minute
proven robin
Yeah, I prefer to take my time
My fastest time is around 23 minutes (with the fists), but I tend to prefer about 35 - 50 minutes just to poke around and break all the urns.
hushed ledge
I just naturally go slowly
Drag enemies out, deal with them one or two at a time, etc
proven robin
I also have maxed out...the one where more enemies happen.
Which is why I had to drop Lambent Plume since it almost never triggers.
still ocean
bug reported
cunning urchin
@dry ember I tried 41 heat with Malphon earlier.
Turns out Lernie head slams > me.
proven robin
Thanks, Hypnos.
cunning urchin
No, I got Divine Dash in Tartarus. Why get good?
hushed ledge
I'm slowly learning how to deal with EM1, EM2 is probably a while away lol
dry ember
Why git gud when you can use crutch right?
hushed ledge
💨
raw violet
I’m pretty late on it but Skelly always sticks around after a fight if he manages to stay alive
cunning urchin
HL5, CF2, JS2, EM3, CP2, BP2, MM, UC1, FO2, DC2, AP1, TD2.
The bug was that he was stuck in that position.
dry ember
RI is something you can look into too
RI2 is doable
I didn't even miss the upgrades
Except for the -50 HP
cunning urchin
Every Malphon run that high is awful without Divine Dash.
Especially in Asphodel.
dry ember
I tried some really high heat runs with Malphon, too
proven robin
I mean, why not use crutches in a single-player game? Who does it hurt? Competitive balance is a non-factor.
raw violet
I see
turbid arch
Because Egos are huge
dry ember
I find myself needing more damage so I went Lightning Strike
turbid arch
and there are still people on the internet you feel the need to prove points to.
proven robin
Egos want you to think they're huger than they actually are.
...no wait that doesn't work
cunning urchin
He's just messing with me. That's all.
turbid arch
I mean, I can only speak for myself here.
cunning urchin
Using effective combos is just good strategy.
turbid arch
I have a giant ego.
dry ember
Ok I'm not sure if people are flaming me but I'm kidding
turbid arch
My ego is notoriously H.U.G.E.
dry ember
It's a semi inside joke, don't @ me too hard.
cunning urchin
@dry ember
turbid arch
@dry ember
hushed ledge
@dry ember too hard
dry ember
All the times
turbid arch
@dry ember This one is not hard. Soft and tender. Almost tickling.
dry ember
Any how, Nyaa, I used Lightning Strike to mitigate Jury Sunmons
turbid arch
Like Cerberus' fur
dry ember
It works decently well
Cprogram is another story though
CP2 is a tad too high I think
cunning urchin
Look at the 46-heat clearer humble bragging. "I just do it because of my ego."
turbid arch
Honestly, that is just what it was!
cunning urchin
@dry ember DPS wasn't the issue.
turbid arch
I did 44 on a whim, felt great and ballzy about myself
And then this other madlad comes along and is like "Hurrrrr, I did 45, ball's in your court!"
Playing me like a damn fiddle, basicly
turbid arch
Nope.
cunning urchin
Do it with Malphon. Then teach me your secrets.
dry ember
At this rate I can see a 57 heat run being done by launch
turbid arch
50 has already been done anyway.
dry ember
I'm aware
cunning urchin
I don't think most people are too eager to do runs that high until there are some balance changes.
Imagine getting all the way to Styx somewhere 46+ only to run into a room with 5 Bruiser Snakestones. GGs.
dry ember
I made to it to Chamber 34 on 45 heat
dry ember
Bruiser Archer TD stalled me
turbid arch
I can imagine that would suck!
cunning urchin
I'm pretty sure that did happen to you lol.
turbid arch
Yes! It did!
And if memory serves
It was tiny vermin time in the chamber right after.
I mean, that is just one way for bad Styx RNG.
Might just as well force you to fight through all 5 hallways
Meaning you will not have time for Hades.
cunning urchin
Surviving 5 Bruiser Snakestones on 46 heat is an achievement in itself.
dry ember
With a shield I can see it being done
turbid arch
We need to change the topic.
dry ember
With most other weapons, it's a big hmmm
turbid arch
I can feel my Benefits Package PTSD kicking in again.
It's not exactly PTSD now that I think about it. It is not exactly anxiety that I feel when I relive these memories.
It is unyielding and unadulterated rage.
Ever since I have started gaming way back when when I was just a kid, I would always, always get super tilted if bad RNG screws me over.
cunning urchin
Rage can be a symptom of PTSD.
Fun facts that are in no way connected: (1) 2 out of 3 of my 41-heat attemps ended in Tartarus, (2) 1 out of 3 of my 41-heat attempts started with Divine Dash.
dry ember
Did you get killed at Meg or?
cunning urchin
Yes.
viral valve
huh. http://prntscr.com/stsfab aint getting much of a choice , am I.....
viral valve
sooo... is it a meme skill or actualy useful? xD i have yet to catch something :>
proven robin
It is very useful!
viral valve
fine. I guess im not gonna escape to the surface but go on a fishing trip instead xD
proven robin
Also Keys and Nectar!
viral valve
cool^^
cunning urchin
I have zero use for those two anymore.
proven robin
Yeah, just saying, if you do need them, that's a way to get them too.
dry ember
You mean timewise? Or the tracking?
The laser lasts for a couple of seconds
But if he lasers the entire time, as in significantly more than 5 seconds, then yeah it's a bug.
sudden dagger
just did a very silly thing and fought furies on EM1 with only special on hera bow, all because of a chaos curse. I knew it too, and wanted to see if I could do it
dry ember
Chaos makes us do silly things sometimes
And fighting with bow special only is mega rough
One of the worst special in the game imo
astral phoenix
Not with chiron tho
cunning urchin
Master Chaos on one of my 41 attempts earlier was like "How about you take 3 damage every time you attack or face more foes?" I was like "How about we reroll that one? "
cunning urchin
I got a Flayed Flourish after the reroll. 3 damage or something when I uppercut, and special damage + after that.
cunning urchin
No, earlier. I'm doing homework right now lol.
sudden dagger
Can I have scintillating feast and ice wine at the same time?
sudden dagger
ooooh
dry ember
Oh lol. Hey making it to Hydra in 3 tries ish is great. I took me an ungodly amount of resets to get past Tartarus even
cunning urchin
I saved 3 rerolls for Hermes that run.
And after 3 rerolls, the best he offered me was 25% dodge.
All of the other boons were common . . .
Shockwaves being undodgeable is awfully cheap.
I honestly should have just picked that +1 dash . . .
astral phoenix
You can dash through shockwaves to avoid damage
dry ember
I prefer the dash too
cunning urchin
Yes, I'm talking about Dodge not working on attacks like that.
dry ember
But 25% dodge is effectively almost 25% HO
native cipher
tbqh i still think that fated persuasions dont even come close to competing with authorities
cunning urchin
It's not because most of the attacks that hit hard are undodgeable. Like bombs, head slams, spins . . .
native cipher
i have tested both of them extensively. i consistently get better runs by manipulating rng with authorities than persuasions.
dry ember
On high heat runs the ability to reroll boons is nice since AP and UC can mess you up bad
Yes, but the context for Nyaa run is 41 heat
Which means AP and UC happen
raw violet
Better runs is also contextual
They both have pros and cons
And are better suited for different tasks
There is no one is better than the other, only one is better for a specific task
native cipher
well in that case, you have to look at how good it is at executing that task and how frequently the task comes up
cunning urchin
I think I'm one of 2-3 people who main Persuasion on high heat lol. But I also main Malphon, and the difference between getting an early Divine Dash with Malphon on high heat and not getting it is huge.
native cipher
and in both of those cases, fated authorities are more consistent
dry ember
tbqh i still think that fated persuasions dont even come close to competing with authorities
This statement is a dangerous hill to die on brother
raw violet
Fate authority is not more consistent if you are going for pure speed and dps
cunning urchin
It's when you do a barrel roll again after a first barrel roll.
native cipher
tbqh the ri hit that hurts me most is god's chosen
so i havent tested it out yet. does the mirror remember which one you had equipped before you take RI? in the case of key rooms and such?
astral phoenix
Actually it disables your ability to reroll when it disables that part of the mirror
You won't get any from keys either
astral phoenix
I only started playing on the most recent patch and I've only done one RI run
dry ember
Key won't work
From my own recent runs
Darkness blue room is king
Since +5max hp
Gem for gold is meh due to CF being a thing
native cipher
i also havent done any 32+ heat runs since like, january
astral phoenix
I haven't made it anywhere near 32 heat yet
I think my highest heat weapon is only at like 20
astral phoenix
Yeah, not all the heat modifiers are as fun as extreme measures
native cipher
it's somewhere around 26-27 for me, probably somewhere different for other people
raw violet
Fun is the the eye of the beholder
native cipher
we can all agree that AP is the bane of fun
native cipher
yes until you run into a room of champion snakestones in styx
cunning urchin
AP1 is pretty fun.
native cipher
AP is designed to make you feel bad
you can bet the one you want is always the one that gets slashed off
raw violet
AP1 is fun or do you just mean it’s not unfun
native cipher
i'd say DC is basically a wash on whether it's fun or unfun
cuz some things can handle it and others (cough bow cough cough) can't
astral phoenix
DC is only bad for bow during Hera runs
Chiron doesn't really care about a single block
dry ember
cunning urchin
I'm not a huge fan of DC2, but it also doesn't bother me that much with Malphon.
native cipher
yeah, it's super fun
dry ember
I do like AP for the salt though
native cipher
yeah some people like it when rng does fortnite dances over your run's corpse
really i think my gripes with high heat just comes down to my favorite weapon type being the bow
and bow has always kind of felt you need to put a whole lot of work in to get what other weapons get for free
dry ember
I disagree with that
There are way more bow high heat runs that I have seen
Than other weapons, maybe except shield
Haelian made 47 this week
One guy made 46 on 5/23
native cipher
really? i see mostly shield, spear, and hestia runs
with bow and sword being the lowest
dry ember
I have yet to see Hestia for 45+
Usually SF rail which uses Zag Rail instead
But bow I think is as strong as others on higher heat.
Actually
Krashercorr has a Google link to all the high heat runs he found
Lemme grab it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MYCL3AlvkXOqZUpBrqpv3utLMDayTnpF7wK9IGIFdN0/edit?usp=sharing
Credit to him of course
native cipher
really the big issues with bow are its low mobility, low damage, low rate of fire, and low crowd control. the range it has is nice but that's really all it has going for it.
sword's got some insane dps, but its big drawback is that it's incredibly risky and has zero safety measures if you make a mistake
cunning urchin
AP1 and UC make for interesting strategic challenges.
raw violet
Fist is basically the weapon that is currently lagging the most at ultra high heat
cunning urchin
Malphon is also the newest weapon. So it's honestly not too surprising.
raw violet
But could just be that no one wants to do it yet
native cipher
i think it mainly has to due with the fact that it's new. i think it has a lot of potential because of how safe it is for a melee weapon. it basically has zero endlag.
cunning urchin
Attack range is a problem.
raw violet
Hestia is currently being worked on at 48 heat so that may exist soon
native cipher
hestia do big hurt
cunning urchin
Ares attack + Athena dash + Merciful End
That Malphon build for 40 heat did not surprise me at all when I saw it this morning lol.
raw violet
Zero endlag is also meaningless on BP enemies
cunning urchin
You should add Hammer upgrades, though.
raw violet
Which are arguably the most dangerous enemies on a run
dry ember
#killBruiser
raw violet
I thought about it. My notes were just what I thought the core of the build was that helped the run the most
Nobody cares about hammers for shield
native cipher
what's your favorite? mine are speedy snakestones and teleporting chariots.
raw violet
And on a ME build in fist, hammer doesn’t really matter either
native cipher
and really i dont get why people dont grab hammer upgrades for shields. most of the shield upgrades are nothing less than spectacular
dry ember
Because boons > hammer
raw violet
They’re fine
sudden dagger
ugh the champions got me
raw violet
I’ve never gotten a shield hammer and felt it changed a whole lot
sudden dagger
I don't understand how the aim assist works on bow 😦 I am not very good at aiming long distance on controller
so far the only time I wish I played with a mouse
raw violet
Other than maybe some QoL stuff
dry ember
Aw
raw violet
Aim assist definitely works
sudden dagger
It seems to work alright on spear aspect for the special, but on bow it points at the target, and then moves a few degrees off :p
maybe it'
raw violet
But less so near the edges of the screen
sudden dagger
maybe it's because I'm trying to hold down for a powershot
native cipher
it will also prioritize things seemingly randomly
sudden dagger
and the spear is just a press
native cipher
and get in the way of trying to pick off specific enemies in groups
sudden dagger
I've never heard of flick aim
dry ember
It's ... Hard to explain and I'm on phone.
raw violet
You must not play any FPS
dry ember
Krashercorr can help
native cipher
its basically just flicking your mouse at the enemy you're trying to shoot
dry ember
I usually use a controller
native cipher
mouse and keyboard purist
raw violet
I dunno how you describe...flicking. You flick. Quick swipe of the stick?
dry ember
You can quickly input a direction for the arrow aim
Yeah
Like some timing involves, but once you get it, you get it
It's like quickly flick to an enemy
The auto aim will snap to that enemy
Release the arrow
It does have to be precise either
You don't "aim" the arrow, you point it to the general direction of the enemy you want to hit
dusk warren
whats nr4 aspect of the gun weapon?
dry ember
Can it target the wrong one? Sure. Does it happen often? not really
Still in development Reb
No one knows save for the devs
dusk warren
all other weapons have a 4th?
native cipher
no, only spear and sword have a 4th atm
dry ember
Only sword and spear so far
dusk warren
oh ok
native cipher
next update coming soon(tm)
native cipher
yeah it falls off like a brick
dry ember
Glad you are enjoying it
native cipher
anyways, with mouse and keyboard, aim assist is really frustrating, because when youre millimeters off of the target, it just won't kick in
but when you're trying to focus down targets in a group, it will just seemingly choose targets at random and mess up your aim
i wish that it worked closer to how it did in bastion where you could hold down a button to turn it on or off when you needed it
native cipher
yeah block + attack
dry ember
Ah I see
dusk warren
which is why i got myself a 360 controller
native cipher
blasphemy.
dry ember
Yeah Hades works very well on controller
sudden dagger
Maybe that is why I was never good at console fpses
native cipher
i'd say the only supergiant game that's better with a controller is transistor
dusk warren
i wish they made more games with the exact same gameplay
dry ember
Although the default scheme controller is questionable
native cipher
everything else is mouse+keyboard
sudden dagger
No one ever told me about flick aim lol so I would miss them
dry ember
Yeah it's not overly tight
You just need to guide the arrow toward the enemy, give it a split second for auto aim to kick in
native cipher
or use your precise mouse aim to select the target you want to attack
with aim assist turned off so it doesnt mess with your mojo
dry ember
Basically tap input, wait a tiny bit, release arrow
cunning urchin
Just practice dash-striking around Skelly.
tough grotto
Default controller scheme works for me, I think it's good
Definitely feels better than KBM
dusk warren
coop for this game would be so nice i think
tough grotto
Only if they increased the difficulty
It's a story-driven game so it wouldn't really work imo
dry ember
I use A for attack, B for cast, X for dash, Y for special
sudden dagger
What would you change the controller schene to? Feels pretty natural
tough grotto
Isn't that default?
sudden dagger
^
dry ember
No
tough grotto
Oh no
sudden dagger
A is dash
dry ember
Also I rebind rail reload to LB
tough grotto
Also God of War
sudden dagger
Works for me because I dash way more than I press and other button :o
tough grotto
The reload on R3 feels odd but it's not a deal-breaker
dry ember
I'm influenced by the Withcher 3
cunning urchin
Default Attack and Cast buttons on pad are not fun with Hera Aspect.
dry ember
The reload on R3 feels odd but it's not a deal-breaker
I mean how often do you open the Codex with LB
native cipher
im influenced by blc/battlerite
tough grotto
Pretty sure I changed my Witcher 3 dash to Circle/B bc I was playing DS3 at the time
dry ember
Codex to R3
tough grotto
Not much, fair enough
dry ember
Reload to LB
tough grotto
I just don't mind
tough grotto
Never troubled me
cunning urchin
How about Attack on RT, reload on X.
astral phoenix
I feel really weird all the sudden for playing on mouse and keyboard
tough grotto
Oh no you aren't, chill
native cipher
dont you're objectively correct
dry ember
This ain't no Dark Soul
tough grotto
Just stating your opinion
I mean, attack on R1 would be weird
Most weapons in the game are much faster than anything in dark souls
Spamming square is easier than spamming R1
dry ember
Actually has anyone tried to rebind the scheme to a Dark Soul scheme?
native cipher
you literally cant without mods on pc
dry ember
As I'm Attack to one of the triggers
neon fiber
guys guys
you're all objectively wrong because the superior control is WASD + mouse
cunning urchin
Attack on RT and reload on X is standard for shooters, would be intuitive with Exagryph.
native cipher
the default control scheme is chunky ass too
tough grotto
I'm just not used to action-rpgs or the like on KBM
It feels so, so weird
Like something's wrong
cunning urchin
LT for grenades.
dry ember
Attack on RT and reload on X is standard for shooters, would be intuitive with Exagryph.
Yeah I just realized, but Dark Souls uses a similar scheme with RT being the attack button
tough grotto
I played Nioh, Nioh 2, DS3, GOW and a bunch of other stuff on console
Just feels right
Default controller scheme feels pretty natural imo
They did a good job
native cipher
a for dash because it's a high priority button for a high priority action
dry ember
Attack is higher priority than dash imo
Not due to frequency
But due to how fast you need to hit it for dash strike
Default attack to X (?) Is clunky
stoic thicket
Sometimes I just wish the boons offered would be a little bit more consistent. Went in with Demeter's trinket equipped to try for a Nemesis Sword Demeter build with the attack and then stuff like Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze. Got the attack in the second room and that was the entirety of the Demeter boons I saw for the rest of the run, despite 6 rerolls and more keys in pocket.
tough grotto
Nah I'm used to it
dry ember
Or is attack defaulted.to.B?
tough grotto
Attack default is Square/X
native cipher
x is the second highest priority button on an xb controller and attack is the second highest priority action
dry ember
Ok
stoic thicket
Ah well, can't win 'em all.
tough grotto
RNGesus didn't favor you mate, it happens
dry ember
You can manipulate RNG by purposefully not taking some gods
If you want Demeter it's fine to skip other Gods with less synergy
native cipher
someone reverse engineer how the god spawn algorithm works?
tough grotto
RNG likes me a lot for giving me Blizzard Shot every time I'm desperate
dry ember
The person who seems to know the best for algorithm is Heartful Peach
dry ember
But they also was not able to give me exact formula
tough grotto
Reverse engineering an exact formula is hella difficult
dry ember
I think the Hades mod server is still working on it.
native cipher
there's a hades mod server?
dry ember
So short answer no
stoic thicket
Yeah, I mean it happens, can't win every run and I also played bad but yeah... rarely seen a run go from "this goes swimmingly" to "I'm definitely gonna lose this" in that short a time.
dry ember
Yeah you can check self promotion
tough grotto
How do devs even come up with these elaborate algorithms anyway
Tuff
Sometimes my runs go from "I'm so gonna lose" to "oh wow I'm in styx, h o w"
Like my Guan Yu lv1 run
I had like 50 max health
stoic thicket
Unranked Guan Yu is still kinda asking for it. With GY I make it a point to pick as many hearts as I can.
dry ember
GY is like playing Mario
You don't have health
You have hits
You have 3 lives
Good luck
native cipher
the pact you make with GY (and cursed sword) is that small mistakes mean nothing but a series of big mistakes will instantly lose you the run
dry ember
It feels the same for high heat run tbh
Everything chunks so hard you basically have hits and not HP
stoic thicket
But at least after that failed run I still had enough blood to max out the final large Aspect. Now it's just Zag aspect for spear, shield and bow missing.
tough grotto
Cursed sword is so bad
native cipher
cursed sword is okay
tough grotto
It takes away too much for little gain
dry ember
Cursed Sword is good starting out
dusk warren
8k dmg on 1 hit with arthus
native cipher
i mean the gain is that you have any survivability on the sword
dry ember
Plenty of people posted their first victory with cursed Sword and claimed it carries them through the whole ordeal
stoic thicket
Cursed Sword was the first one that got me to see the big boss. Didn't get much farther at that point but it got me there.
dry ember
But with higher heat it's kinda bad
tough grotto
I seriously don't get how
native cipher
well yeah on higher heat literally everything one-shots you
tough grotto
2 health regen per hit is not enough to compensate
native cipher
it's sorb. 2 health regen per hit is more than enough.
dry ember
Ok if on low heat, you don't get one shotted
You can facetank enemies
And come out alright
That's why cursed Sword is good starting out
Low health after boss?
Heal at enemies
native cipher
when you take cursed sword, be sure to take aphrodite attack.
then again, you want aphro attack any run you do with sword
dry ember
You don't care how long it takes you, 1 minute for 2ho? Sign me up, I have no Tight Deadline to worry about.
native cipher
yeah once you start stacking like, lc and bp
thats when cursed sword becomes a liability
dry ember
Hades can hit for 160 HP per swing with some pact options
Also cry in 150 Damage traps
tough grotto
150 damage traps would be a nightmare
sudden dagger
cursed sword got me to elysium on my 3rd run. I didn't get that far again for another 20-30 runs
raw violet
obviously
tough grotto
I dash way too much into spikes for that deal
dry ember
Same tbh
stoic thicket
Same. My dashing is so atrocious.
native cipher
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stoic thicket
Panic still takes over more than 100 runs in.
dry ember
Sometimes my head tells me to stop playing so near to traps and arrow
But I still stand near them cause humans are weird
native cipher
hey remember when HS went up to 800?
cunning urchin
The same people who clear 46 or 47 heat also dash into spikes.
somber marlin
Spikes are my painful friend.
native cipher
spikes are a hubris check.
dry ember
Haha true
stoic thicket
Dashing into spikes and various other nasties is also why HS is a dead no-go for me. I did it once (with Arthur of course, to be even safer) to get the prophecy on like a 5-heat run and that was that. I'm never touching that button again.
cunning urchin
I dash into bombs in Asphodel. 
native cipher
em hydra
native cipher
i stand by that teleporting chariots should be removed
stoic thicket
EM Hydra is such an experience. Once you've grown used to Lernie in that tiny death trap the regular old Lernie suddenly loses a lot of it's scariness when you just go on a farm run.
dry ember
Just let them suicide to a wall or something
sudden dagger
Lol ok this flick strike thing
i'm at skelly
I flick it at him
and it takes 3 or 4 tries til the aim points at him
dry ember
Hmm weird
cunning urchin
Bruiser Cloner Louts are probably the worst you can face in Tartarus.
At least in my experience.
dry ember
Yeah
sudden dagger
which is strange because it definitely DID aim assist even while off
dry ember
Maybe, just maybe, that's the problem
stoic thicket
Bruiser Cloner combo is horrible anyway.
fervent spoke
I am pretty new to the game, are there any guides besides the ones pinned? I try to understand more what weapon modifier works well with specific heroes. Last tries i focus on: Bow with Chiron Aspect - with Relentless Volley. SO even at Level one i have 7 Arrows hitting 2 to 3 time the target. And that paired with Ares: Curse of Pain. Hovewer, i have the feeling that only one and not 7 Doom effects are placed on the enemy.
And for sprint i allways thry to take Athene because (in my beginner) for my understanding its by far superior to others (damage is negectable but the reflect is insane)
And still Hades kick my ass.
dry ember
Bruiser anything is horrible
sudden dagger
now it hits him every time!
dry ember
Doom only stack once
Unless you have Impending Doom Dire Misfortune also
Doom on Chiron is not optimal
raw violet
dire misfortune
stoic thicket
On Chiron I'm personally quite partial to Poseidon.
dry ember
May I suggest Tempest Flourish or Deadly Flourish on Chiron Bow instead?
Those one stacks for each arrow
fervent spoke
sure, i am still learning
tough grotto
Y'all really memorizing attack/special names huh
dry ember
Oh and Doom only stack once no matter the weapon
So that's not a bow only issue
Np mate. We are always happy to help. Ask away!
stoic thicket
Stacking Poseidon and Zeus on the Chiron bow is super fun.
dry ember
And welcome
tough grotto
Stacking poseidon and zeus with sea storm is always fun
Also if you have Cold Fusion it becomes real nice
dry ember
For Dash, Athena Dash is nice yeah
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish on Chiron. Get Heart Rend.
stoic thicket
With Chiron I feel like I don't really need Cold Fusion. I apply so many lightning strikes that it's getting reapplied after a fraction of a second anyway.
tough grotto
What does Heart Rend do
raw violet
that's aphro + artemis for the new players
tough grotto
Is it the one that extends the weak effect to 10 secs
cunning urchin
Crits do +50% damage on Weak foes.
dry ember
The bowiesy of bows
cunning urchin
That's what Heart Rend does.
dry ember
And so it's fun
stoic thicket
Chiron is by far my favorite bow, not even a discussion.
tough grotto
Overpowered = fun
stoic thicket
Hera is kinda cool and when it rolls it friggin rolls, but sometimes it just feels like you get a solid smorc off and then are relegated to miserly plonking off against the myriad hordes.
tough grotto
Cast builds are the true god of this game
dry ember
My 5k crit with Excalibur laughs at that assertion
tepid dome
I finally did it. I beat Hades, I nearly cried. I'm so freaking happy right now!!!
fervent spoke
thanks for the quick help, will try the sugested variances.
stoic thicket
Cast builds can just get completely absurd, your 5k crits notwithstanding.
Congratz man!
keen ocean
Congrats, friend!
dry ember
stoic thicket
First of many, my dude.
somber marlin
Niiiiice! I made my first win not too long ago! :D
dry ember
Gj icedtea
obtuse lagoon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712528599260856355/713258094326448168/unknown.png
@dry ember how can you achieve that?
dry ember
Actually pic is not mine
stoic thicket
Arthur aspect sword stacked to the moon with a variety of attack buffs.
tepid dome
The first of many!! https://imgur.com/a/invNNYS Thanks mates!
sudden dagger
Congrats @tepid dome !
cunning urchin
Congrats!
carmine condor
The bow is what I had my longest streak with
tepid dome
The bow and shield are my strongest I think
carmine condor
Hera aspect pops off
keen ocean
Damn, you had a pretty sparse build too.
tepid dome
Yeah still learning about boons haha
dry ember
Proof that you just need Twin shot and Deadly Strike on bow
tepid dome
Twin shot op my dude
dry ember
Twinshot and Deadly Strike is a deadly combo
stoic thicket
I've used Twin shot like once I think.
dry ember
Lol Chiron definitely takes brain
Or your special hits wall instead of the enemy
That thing is a bit clunky
tepid dome
Niiiiice! I made my first win not too long ago! :D
@somber marlin Congrats to you too!
somber marlin
My first run was with fists, followed by shield. :P What did you get through with?
stoic thicket
Yup, but seeing a like 11-arrow machine gun succession of knockbacks with combined lightning strikes is totally worth molesting the wall every once in a while.
Fists first as well, second IIRC shield as well.
stoic thicket
Lemme look it up.
somber marlin
I'm making my first run with my sword now. Currently on the Barge of Death
dry ember
Gl!
hardy epoch
Goodluck!
dry ember
Be the death of that barge
stoic thicket
Fists -> Rail -> Sword -> Shield -> Spear -> Bow.
somber marlin
May Demeter and Dionysus protect me!
tepid dome
@somber marlin , Nice, I got through with the bow
I'm making my first run with my sword now. Currently on the Barge of Death
@somber marlin I'm so bad at the sword
stoic thicket
Same, Sword is not my forte, really.
young gorge
goodluck!!!
hardy epoch
Oh I love the sword
tepid dome
Do you guys play on keyboard? Whenever I use the sword my positioning just goes berserk
young gorge
yeah!
somber marlin
I've been having fun with it. I've been playing a lot of Brawlhala recently, and that's been halping with my button coordination and reflexes. I'm doing much better than last time I played!
astral phoenix
I use keyboard
somber marlin
I play on controller
dry ember
Controller for sure, mainly because Auto Aim exists
On options like Force Overtime, it can be really hard to aim with mouse
But on sword MKB is easier, personally
obtuse lagoon
so, controller has auto-aim... that's why you like the bow so much
dry ember
The opposite, I love the bow so I prefer controller
hardy epoch
I like controller over keyboard because you can rock your thumb between dash and attack
dry ember
But yes, auto aim plays a large role in the decision
obtuse lagoon
definitely... it's hard with mkb
somber marlin
I'm not too good with the bow, though I am better when I change aspects. I'm not a fan of Zag's
On to the Hydra! This is as far as I've made it in past runs.
dry ember
God speed
somber marlin
None of that for me. No help from Hermes this time. xD
somber marlin
Gaaaaaaah! Ran around and took out all 5 Hydra heads with Dionysus's call.......and then the big head squished me.
tough grotto
You lost the run?
stoic thicket
Yup, letting the main head out of your eyes is a quick path to the house.
somber marlin
Running in there with DD and only 30 health to start......yeah, I didn't have much hope.
tough grotto
Hydra is not that hard, just keep moving
Take out the red and green heads asap
Dash backwards when it slams and punish it
Dash to the side when it spits the purple lances
somber marlin
Yeah, I'm usually pretty good with it. But I usually need a little health going in.
tough grotto
With a consistent build you can probably 0 damage it
Never managed it myself though
somber marlin
How is anything consistent in this game? I thought that was the whole point? :P
tough grotto
30 health is a bit low indeed since you can't take 2 solid hits
tepid dome
Anyone here get to the point where they can predict which boons will appear haha?
dry ember
There are some "cores" that you can get a decently high chance of getting
tough grotto
Consistent as in stuff that at least minorly synergizes with the weapon or with each other
dry ember
Icedtea we had this discussion earlier, in short, no
tough grotto
Like fast weapons and zeus
dry ember
The boon formula is unknown
tough grotto
Big hits and crits
Aphro and anything, Dio and anything, Demeter and anything
etc
dry ember
Actually room reward is
raw violet
well, with god trinkets you can reliably predict 1 boon
dry ember
But the specific boon is unknown
somber marlin
I was running Dio and Demeter. I want to try a run with Ice Wine.
tepid dome
ahh okay
tough grotto
Ice wine = win
raw violet
and enough persuasion rolls
dry ember
Ice Win
tough grotto
Actually only if you get Scintillating Feast
young gorge
Ice win indeed
somber marlin
I'm usually an Ares fan. Or Athena. My first win was an Ares Athena run with Doom on my main attack and deflection on my special.
young gorge
deadly reversal
dry ember
Did you have Merciful End too?
tough grotto
Merciful End is very nice
young gorge
really tasty
somber marlin
Which one is that?
dry ember
That's almost the end all be all of damage
tough grotto
Athena + Ares
somber marlin
I hadn't unlocked Duos yet, so no.
tough grotto
They're both gods of war so
somber marlin
I might redo the run with heat.
tough grotto
Yeah you just have luck with them
stoic thicket
Ares attack, Athena dash, Merciful end on Zagreus fists. That will win you the run with nothing else.
somber marlin
I hadn't yet encountered them until I put a point into the mirror for it.
tough grotto
Btw I adore the fact that Winter Harvest can also kill bosses
Seeing Hades get ice scythe'd felt good
dry ember
FREEZE TO DEATH
tough grotto
Oh yeah
turbid arch
To be fair, Merciful End + Ares Attack/Special + Athena Dash wins most runs.
dry ember
Grandma Demeter is sick of your shenanigans
tough grotto
Good to know
Might try that next time
Never got Merciful End
Does it do Doom's damage every time you deflect something?
Is that how it works
dry ember
Merc End and Impending Doom melt bosses
somber marlin
Any tips what aspects I should put blood in with my sword? I have my cast on a cooldown, so Posiden is probably out, but I don't know between Zag and Nemesis.
dry ember
Yes ayer
tough grotto
If you don't have Arthur
dry ember
How are you doing on spear?
tough grotto
Prob Nemesis
somber marlin
I'm working on getting Arthur.
tough grotto
Same
dry ember
Yeah probably Nemesis
stoic thicket
Not quite. It triggers doom any time an attack that can deflect something hits an enemy. You don't need to actively deflect anything.
dry ember
Just unlock Nemesis is good enough imo
tough grotto
Wait does that mean athena dash will do Doom damage?
tough grotto
N i c e
dry ember
If the target already had Doo.
somber marlin
Merciful end just sounds scary.
dry ember
You need to reapply.it
tough grotto
That sounds convoluted
stoic thicket
You need to apply doom first with something else, but once it has it on and it gets hit by something that deflects it will trigger instantly.
tough grotto
Oh doesn't sound that broken
dry ember
The OPness come from the fact that you don't need to deflect anything to trigger it
raw violet
ME on fists is as simple as it gets
dry ember
Just dash around the target
somber marlin
You guys are making me want to do a 1 heat run with my fists and go for Ares Athena again. :P Or maybe paired with Zeus's shield. That would be.....terrifying.
stoic thicket
It is with something that attacks fast.
raw violet
hold attack, dash as often as possible
dry ember
Do it
raw violet
everything dies
dry ember
Merc End fist is one of a kind damage
somber marlin
Because I only need 1 heat to get rewards! I don't feel like torturing myself. I made it a room and a half when I went 52 heat.
dry ember
Followed by maybe Merc End shield.
dry ember
How fast do you clear Twilight?
tough grotto
Might try for s and giggles tho
dry ember
May I suggest Tight Deadline?
somber marlin
I was only saved by SD on my mirror.
tough grotto
Isn't the easiest way to go around heat just the +Enemy Hp one
somber marlin
Oh goodness no, I am no where near a TD run. xD I was thinking a trap run and hope for an epic trap damage reduction of 90%
dry ember
You don't need high aspect
tough grotto
With spikes doing 25 dmg and arrows doing 100
raw violet
convenience fee is probably the least impactful from a gameplay perspective
dry ember
You need to be conscious of what you are doing inefficiently to save time.
raw violet
for a single heat
dry ember
Also.fair
somber marlin
I was thinking either JS1 or EM1
dry ember
CF is relatively ok
raw violet
yeah, CF too
somber marlin
Maaaaaybe DC1, since it's just a hit.
sudden dagger
ugh i had to do barge and now lernie without rail attack because of chaos
why do I choose this
raw violet
TD is only free once you get used to it
tough grotto
My average run time is 31, 32 minutes so TD would be kinda tough
dry ember
Lol
tough grotto
🤷
dry ember
Didn't you also use special bow.only.at Meg ealier too?
somber marlin
Mine are around 40 average. xD
dry ember
Ah ok.
tough grotto
Oof never got that high
dry ember
Maybe not TD then
raw violet
and once you're used to TD bad rng is really the only thing that can hurt you
somber marlin
I am terrible with Zag's bow. But I love Chiron bow.
tough grotto
If I go full on cast build from the start I might be ok with TD
somber marlin
Might try Hera sometime, that looks like it would hurt with the right mirror buffs.
somber marlin
Demeter/Artemis is a great cast build. Get the fast aiming turret and you'll mess things up. Great for fighting crystals!
tough grotto
Blizzard Shot >>>
dry ember
Yeah. Try Trippy Shot (Dionysus cast) on Hera bow also
tough grotto
Nothing beats dishing out almost 2k dmg that quick
dry ember
You can one shot most everything
astral phoenix
My favorite is Hera bow+Hunting blades
dry ember
Many people will disagree with that
tough grotto
Isn't that just life
dry ember
I suppose
sudden dagger
and I did it whoo!
dry ember
Hydra special only
sudden dagger
@dry ember yeah I did i think I need to choose other things besides chaos gates for a while
tough grotto
Nice
turbid arch
So if Zagreus would have a weapon aspect that would cause him to have two casts
sudden dagger
I had demeter's cast aeo and demeter's special, but only one regen bloodstone
turbid arch
one of them should be a recharge, the other one with the regular pick-up