h1-builds-and-combat

[tough grotto]

Meg best girl

How to type like that

you forgot
@neon fiber

The grey bar deal

[dry ember]

Use the > text

[tough grotto]

test

Oh ok thx

[tepid trail]

hello there

[dry ember]

Space

[peak iron]

Implying

[neon fiber]

general kenobi

[tepid trail]

space hello

[tough grotto]

Meg is the official best girl

[dry ember]

I would love to agree with you. But if I do then both of us are wrong.

[neon fiber]

you seem to have made a typo there
fear not for i am going to fix that sentence

Meg is the official worst girl

[tough grotto]

Y'all have trash taste

[dry ember]

Somehow Meg is the worst boss to fight between the Furies

I used to have no problem fighting her

Til recently

[tough grotto]

It's Tisiphone for me

[stoic thicket]

Uh, I'm not like on heat 91 like most people but I'd rather take Meg than Alecto.

[earnest ravine]

SAME

[tough grotto]

Tisiphone hurts my feelings

[earnest ravine]

Alecto is really annoying when she just insta spawns a saw on you

As a support or as an actual boss

[tough grotto]

Alecto can be easily baited into the spikes

[dry ember]

The saw stun locks you

[tough grotto]

She'll end up killing herself

[tepid ridge]

I actually kind of agree with fox. I used to like Tisiphone and find Alecto much easier but once you learn to differentiate Tis’ double dodges Meg and her endless spawns become more frustrating imo

[earnest ravine]

Ah, and I'm super used to waves of enemies because of playing on maxed Jury Summons all the time, so they're almost inconsequential

those saws though don't care even if I do lure her onto the spikes and sometimes she skips the tell so it's just. Pain

I can see how the adds could be annoying after everything's said and done, though, now that you mention it.

[stoic thicket]

Maxed Jury Summons in Elysium. You like pain, don't you?

[earnest ravine]

It's fun!!!!

Enemies go CRONCH

[dry ember]

Who did what

[tepid ridge]

Mostly it’s just the witches. They make dodging Meg’s wave attack more difficult that any other Tartarus Boss except maybe Alecto’s wave/rage charge attack

[dry ember]

Max JS is masochist

[tough grotto]

That's where the fun begins

Go max JS in the miniboss butterfly chamber

[dry ember]

Divine Dash and No U the witches in Elysium

Is the best part of this game

[earnest ravine]

I mean, that one's not that big a deal if you just burst the boss down? All the other stuff stops spawning as soon as it dies.

[tepid ridge]

I thought JS only affected normal encounters, not miniboss encounters? Does it still spawn more elite shades?

[earnest ravine]

no, it's the FLAME WHEELS that still spark fear in me.

Mini boss rooms are handled by Middle Management.

[dry ember]

JS doesn't affect mini boss

Yeah

[earnest ravine]

Which is also fun to run, I love the barge of death with it

[dry ember]

Teleporting Puller Flame Wheels

[earnest ravine]

The gorgon boss, not so much, but the barge makes it worth the risk.

[tough grotto]

Sounds haxxed

[dry ember]

Or Linked Puller Flame Wheel

Or Duplicating Savior Numbskull

There are some broken stuff that only comes with the ultimate pact that is Benefit Package

[tough grotto]

I have no idea what you're talking about but sounds scary

[tepid trail]

btw is there a way of getting DF charges while in styx?

[tough grotto]

Are there even ways to increase your damage by much in these later heat levels or do you just suffer

[dry ember]

DD you mean

[tepid trail]

i have 1 left before fighting hades

DD

yeah

typo

[dry ember]

Athena and Shop

[tepid trail]

hmm alright

[dry ember]

That's kinda it

By shop I mean Well

[tepid trail]

bad sign no athena

here

[dry ember]

No roll either?

[tepid trail]

nope

[dry ember]

Then pray you see a well haha

[tough grotto]

Alright time for me to do a few runs

Wish me luck

[dry ember]

Good luck

[tepid trail]

oh god

[tepid ridge]

The purple wells in the halls with most likely have a DD for sale, don’t lose hope!

[dry ember]

200 gold for DD from Wells

Unless Convenient Fees

[tepid ridge]

Rerolling into a DD, yet another use-case for Fated Persuasion

[tepid trail]

oh lord

here comes 1DD hades boss battle

[dry ember]

God speed

[tepid ridge]

It can very much be done!

[earnest ravine]

You've got this!

[dry ember]

Just do it hitless

Easy

[tepid ridge]

Unless you’re on Forced Overtime lmao

[earnest ravine]

No it can absolutely be done on forced overtime

You can do this!!!

[tepid trail]

welp

i lost

[neon fiber]

🇫

[peak iron]

Guh, every time I use the bow I feel so weak

IDK what it is about using non melee weapons

[stoic thicket]

I just had my first run-in with the EM3 gang.

Good heavens.

I mean Theseus is surprisingly less of a hassle than without the EM, he just becomes way more predictable but Asterius is so scary...

[smoky owl]

Does Hell Mode do anything other than make the game harder? (As in, does it provide unique interactions or anything like that?)

[peak iron]

I hate the Bull's charge, it really is the worst.

[dry ember]

Hell Mode offers a unique Pact option that is Personal Liability

[smoky owl]

gotcha, thanks

[stoic thicket]

I was on just FO1 because FO2 thus far has led to nothing but tears and on FO1 these guys were... manageable? They did cost me a death defiance because I got kinda surprised by Asterius' new moveset in the beginning.

[dry ember]

🎉

[turbid arch]

I just threw away an amazing run

soo hard

that I feel like it will hurt tomorrow still.

Excalibur Blizzard Shot Sea Storm. What did I do to throw it away?

1. Take Cursed Blade

2. Take a Guillotine Trap in Styx with my face for an instant death defiance lost

3. Still feel so ballzy about the run that I go for a full clear which results in me losing a life because poison is some garbage (I'm poisoned, drink the antidote, immediatly poisoned again without the poison-ui element ever having faded, the stuff is supposed to make you immune to poison for a moment after drinking it)

4. Literally throwing the run by throwing all my blizzard shots into the lake so that I could not retrieve them before Hades butchered me.

[tough grotto]

Bruh

Damn

Rest in peace

Anyone know a good sword build?

[neon fiber]

taking excalibur aspect

[turbid arch]

If its Nemesis, Aphrodite Attack.

You can win the entire game just with that.

[stoic thicket]

Sheesh, now I know what I was missing in the West Hall, I apparently had to buy the Divine Columns first.

And with that I know I'll have a use for the gemstones for a long, long, long time.

[magic dagger]

How many do you need to finish everything (does anyone even know?)

[stoic thicket]

I don't know the total amount, I just know that I got unlocked two more things in the west hall that'll set me back 1500 and 3000 respectively.

[turbid needle]

How many do you need to finish everything (does anyone even know?)
@magic dagger Thousands

And also quite a bunch of diamonds

[magic dagger]

sure, but diamonds are e-z to get

just clear the game often

gems you have to hunt for
troves, fish, broker

[turbid needle]

Gemstones are much easier to farm than diamonds lol

[naive tusk]

Technically true, but Diamonds are faster to farm than gems

[neon fiber]

Sadly

[lament coral]

well, diamonds are forever

[restive solar]

@turbid arch your mistake was not taking regenerating cast

[turbid arch]

True.

I almost always have that.

It is superior.

[turbid needle]

Technically true, but Diamonds are faster to farm than gems
@naive tusk Idk if i agree lol

[raw violet]

considering the most expensive cosmetic is 3k, if you get a lucky run 3x troves (75) + whatever doors (5-10 ea) that's a lot of runs

• fishing

at best 2x scylla and 1x stonwhal

[turbid needle]

Well, there are things(and here i'm considering the songs as well) that cost like 4, 5 diamonds. It's 5 runs to get a single song, or at least 3 if you get 2 diamonds on a run

But actually, it's a little difficult to compare because there are just a few things bought with diamonds

And a lot of things bought with gems

[raw violet]

i've bought all diamond stuff long long before gems, i still need gems

[dry ember]

Gems are indeed harder to farm than diamond in a long term plan

[turbid needle]

Me too. But that's because i invested on diamonds first

[dry ember]

Short term sure

Them diamonds are hard

But hundreds of runs in, different story

[turbid needle]

There's also a high amount of gems to get from prophecies, sometimes with the special trade from the vendor and also extra gems from Poseidon boon

[raw violet]

it's not a great comparison, cause it's not like i was actively farming gems at the same time I was just running through bounties

tbf

[turbid needle]

Yeah, i know, that's a good point

[restive solar]

I don’t get much darkness personally because I’m always increasing the heat value

[raw violet]

i think the prophecies that give diamonds go a little farther than the gems you get

[turbid needle]

All i was saying is that it's more difficult to get the diamonds all around. Hydra is pretty easy but it's still a boss, so you have to up the heat to still get those

i think the prophecies that give diamonds go a little farther than the gems you get
@raw violet Maybe. Don't actually remember lol But i remember getting a lot of gems from some of the prophecies that were easier to accomplish

[raw violet]

60-90 gems seem like a lot but most things bought are much more expensive than that

[dry ember]

Cry in 1k6 column

[turbid needle]

And just to add(i'm not trying to be a pain lol sorry for that), Hydra is not that easy with the modified version haha

60-90 gems seem like a lot but most things bought are much more expensive than that
@raw violet Yeah, they are. But there are not many that cost that much. Anyway, i do agree. And Zag always complain about the prices haha

[dry ember]

Any armor killing hammer goes BRRRR on the Hydra

EM or not

But that's beside the point

[neon fiber]

Diamonds are forever until the contractor takes them

[turbid needle]

Any armor killing hammer goes BRRRR on the Hydra
@dry ember Yeah, agreed. But there were times when i suffered on high heats, because my build up to Asphodel wouldn't help me much with all the lava pits and such

[dry ember]

And you won't have that kind of hammer everytime

But it's fun when you have it

Against Hydra

[turbid needle]

It's also pain when two or three heads decide to groundpound at the same time the boss does lol Not much space to run, so i get hit once or twice in some occasions

[magic dagger]

just have health

[dry ember]

Yeah EM2 Hydra ground pound has a deceptively large hit box

[turbid needle]

just have health
@magic dagger That's usually not a problem. But RNG sometimes is cruel and so are some of the punishments in the pact

[dry ember]

He's being sarcastic

[turbid needle]

Oh, i see

Sorry

lol

[dry ember]

It's like just don't get hit omegalul

[turbid needle]

I didn't understand the sarcasm because having a large HP at that part really saves a bit. There aren't many things that actually hit you hard there

[raw violet]

i would be interested to know the run:clear rate at which you'd be able to farm enough darkness or gems before finishing all bounties

i suspect it would be quite high

[small stirrup]

EM Hydra is just a pain because of how little space you to maneuver around

[turbid needle]

Darkness is quite simple to farm in large amounts if you have the darkness buff weapon equipped and some boons that enhance darkness gains. More important, if you play on heats previously beaten.

But the amount of darkness you need for some things in the mirror is just ridiculous

So it's still a pain

[dry ember]

Good thing most of the grindy stuff are comestic

[turbid needle]

Yeah

The only thing i grinded a little harder(and wasn't bad at all) was darkness, because of Fated Authority and Fated Persuasion

[dry ember]

Yeah my Authority is at 7 rn

[turbid needle]

But i'm far from completing any of them

[dry ember]

I can certainly use more

But 7 is enough for most purposes save for really high heat climb

[turbid needle]

156.500 are needed to max out both of them

[dry ember]

Hmm

What's the max amount of roll you get?

[raw violet]

10 and 5

[dry ember]

10 and 5?

Ok

[turbid needle]

10 and 4, no?

[raw violet]

10 and 5

[turbid needle]

I'm sitting on FP rank 3 rn and it's pretty good already, because of the extra rerolls obtained from keys

[raw violet]

156k, really?

that's brutal

[turbid needle]

According to Wiki, yeah. 115,500 for Fathed Autority Rank 10 and 41,000 for FP

[raw violet]

oh, for the final level

not even total

[turbid needle]

No no, the total lol

[raw violet]

oh okay

for both together

[turbid needle]

I said Rank 10 but i should have said "When you reach rank 10 total" lol

It's 40k for Rank 40, tho, still a high amount

Rank 10*

[raw violet]

that's my current total darkness

[small stirrup]

Anyone have an idea on how hades speedruns work?

Like competitively

[raw violet]

pick artemis, go fast

needs to be recorded, no edits

[small stirrup]

Like how are the categories set

Is there a specific heat?

A specific weapon?

[raw violet]

pends on category

there's a speedrunning discord

[dry ember]

There is whatever heat whatever weapon whatever seed

Go fast

Then there is fresh file %

[small stirrup]

I know but I wasn't able to find much

[dry ember]

Then fresh file % all weapons

[raw violet]

any% is basically no rules other than it has to be a single run, no edits

all weapons is no seeding

[dry ember]

Yes

[small stirrup]

Ahh

I see

[raw violet]

fresh file is measured by real time

can die as much as you want

use whatever weapon you want if you can get them unlocked

[dry ember]

Hence the free Hermes stuff

[raw violet]

32 is the only heat-specific run

[magic dagger]

speedrun.com has specific rulesets for all categories if you want to look.

[raw violet]

any% and 32-heat are probably not that approachable

[small stirrup]

speedrun.com has specific rulesets for all categories if you want to look.
Thank you so much

[raw violet]

since they are seeded and routed through and including elysium

unless you wanna learn it

which there are instructions on the website

[stoic thicket]

Is influencing the seed the reason you occasionally see a speedrunner use a cast right before a door?

[raw violet]

yes

actions influence the rng counter or whatever the game uses to calculate rng

so typically that's more routing than seeding

[small stirrup]

I thought casting made the animation faster

[raw violet]

a seed primarily affects the first couple rooms, routing helps keep a seed on a specific path

[small stirrup]

Guess i was wrong

[floral maple]

dashing resets attack timer on adamant rail right?

not that there is much of one

[raw violet]

rail dash attacks are basically just two rapid-fire attacks

so it's a dps boost as far as i can tell

not sure if it resets anything

[floral maple]

ah, i was just wondering cuz the rate of shots seemed really high in the speedruns

[raw violet]

yeah, that's just how the dash attack works

[floral maple]

i only have like 1 clear on rail, dont like it

[magic dagger]

serious question - how do people doing die% runs take so much damage?

When I give up on a run it takes so long to kill myself

[small stirrup]

Yeah the WR is 2 seconds or something right?

[stoic thicket]

Uh, no DD in the mirror, no extra health, take Guan Yu, activate hard labor and double BP, get insta smacked?

[raw violet]

50 health, maxed hard labor, not sure what else you could even do

yeah, those would work

[stoic thicket]

Hope for the BP buff that makes them do extra damage and then get one-shot by a Wretched Thug or something.

[raw violet]

they don't have any of those so it might not be necessary

but i don't remember how much a thug does per hit

[stoic thicket]

10-ish with no buffs or around that? They are slow though.

[raw violet]

not sure if old pact of punishment could go higher on hard labor than it does now

[tepid trail]

https://imgur.com/lYqYXLB

2nd win

i got super hella lucky with these boons

[peak iron]

Hah, I bet that was an easy win lol. Just toss fog on hades and slash away

[tepid trail]

yep

[peak iron]

Very nice

[tepid trail]

but hades made me waste 1DD cause of the cursed slash

[magic dagger]

remember to clear everything at 0 heat for the bounties

you ca't get them with any heat active

[tepid trail]

the thing is i've only finished 1 without heat and 1 with heat

[magic dagger]

yes, just remember to do every weapon at zero heat at some point

[tepid trail]

maybe i can do a 0 heat run with stygian

oh yeah btw is administrative privilege neccessary ?

[magic dagger]

It's just nice, it lets you look at past runs

you're talking about the contractor option right?

[tepid trail]

yeah

[magic dagger]

it'll be necessary for some quests later, too

[stoic thicket]

Yup, in particular to get a certain companion that you, trust me, really want.

[tepid trail]

companion?

we can get companions?

[stoic thicket]

"Companion".

They are legendary keepsakes that you can occasionally use to help you out.

The stuff that is locked at the bottom of the keepsake cupboard.

[tepid trail]

how do you unlock those?

[stoic thicket]

Max out the reputation with certain characters, complete a quest for them and then give them an Ambrosia. I can tell you which ones unless you don't want to be spoiled.

[tepid trail]

hmm alright

[stoic thicket]

Megaera, Thanatos, Sisyphus, Skelly and Dusa.

Sisyphus is the one you really want.

[tepid trail]

ill try to get all of them

[stoic thicket]

Sisyphus needs the admin chamber unlocked and a fair chunk of resources to finish his quest, but the companion is worth it.

Meg's is probably the easiest to get.

[tepid trail]

bruh i just spent 300 gems to get nectars

[novel prawn]

I wouldn't advise speding gems on nectars. in the long run it's not worth

[tepid trail]

there's not much upgrades on the contractor that i want now anyways besides ill just farm them with poseidon when i need them later

well ill follow your advise now cause im new

[novel prawn]

well... technically you have a point... there aren't many good things to get from the contractor, and most things are cosmetics for the house anyway, so it's up to you if you wanna save up gems for that or not

[cunning urchin]

You'll still be needing more and more Gemstones long long after you've spent all the Nectar you can spend.

If you want all the stuff from the house contractor, anyway.

[raw violet]

i spend titan bloods on gems, we all value things differently

[tepid trail]

what

[raw violet]

yeah, you heard me

[novel prawn]

1 titan blood for 250 gems is actually a pretty good deal... took me a while to realise that too

[tepid trail]

well you probably have all aspect unlocked already so i dont blame u if you take that deal and it sounds pretty good but not good for newer people

[stoic thicket]

Not happening right now for me, I still need the Titan blood more than I need the gemstones.

[raw violet]

resources just change value over time pending on what you need or have

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, early on I would not trade away Titan Blood.

[neon fiber]

Did someobody day

[novel prawn]

well you probably have all aspect unlocked already so i dont blame u if you take that deal and it sounds pretty good but not good for newer people
@tepid trail you're correct on that, I did unlock all of them 😄

[neon fiber]

Preaching the word of our lord and savior

[turbid arch]

Trading away one titan blood for 500 darkness early on once is pretty neat actually.

Allows you to get a nice big early power up for the mirror.

That 500 heat will get you much farther in your next runs, allowing you to earn more Titan Blood over time instead of waiting for the saved titan blood to come useful

*500 darkness

[peak iron]

500 heat run

[tepid trail]

i've never gotten that deal,i would probably take it cause i need darkness for a quest so i can get more titan blood

[peak iron]

Literally everything is on fire, and so are you

Die the second you land in tartarus

[raw violet]

that's a fair point, i probably wouldn't do it early on but it would be a reasonable trade

[novel prawn]

500 heat run
@peak iron this is fine

[turbid arch]

There was a time when 200 heat was the highest possible, that was quite a while ago.

The initial measurement was that a current point of heat would be worth 5 heat in the old system

[tepid trail]

just go hitless

[turbid arch]

Flawless Victory.

[raw violet]

i was looking for what the old pact looked like but can't find any resources, did the options change very much or was it mostly just a points rework?

[turbid arch]

You do not need to worry about healing or high damage numbers if you just never get hit. https://media.tenor.com/images/d50d6b06878bc263c7ce7563fbf156b4/tenor.gif

[raw violet]

i know there were some options that were removed and some that were added

[turbid arch]

I do not think that they removed any.

They just changed the entire system (for the better)

Old pact of punishment had options for up to 200 points of heat.

You could invest up to 50 heat for up to 500% extra damage

I think another 10 or so you could put into negating healing.

Blue shields were there for another 10 heat total.

More enemies, more HP

Reducing the mirror to 500 to 2500 darkness, not remembering the heat cost on that one

[raw violet]

okay, so the range of current options were different

[turbid arch]

And I am pretty sure that you could also make enemies much faster at the cost of like

40 heat or so?

[raw violet]

i think i saw...50% faster?

we are capped at 40 now

[turbid arch]

Yeahm should be along those lines.

Oh yeah, and expensive shops were in there too somewhere. Think that was most of the options.

And in order to get skellys useless trinkets, you needed to win at 120 heat

And you did not have companions or weapon aspects back then

[hollow sorrel]

And hell mode used to have the mirror capped at something like 2,500 darkness

[turbid arch]

These days, Hell Mode actually makes high heated runs easier I'd imagine.

Just for that one heated option that is only available there.

Which I do not get.

[hollow sorrel]

I still only have a hellmode save. It's one extra heat, but it's still a +1

[turbid arch]

I also do not think that there is any reason for Hell Mode to exist.

[floral maple]

an upgrade to attack affects dashstrike too right?

[hollow sorrel]

The only thing hellmode really does now, is sort of mess up my ability to replay the lower heats

[naive tusk]

It's coffeecrash! ☕ 💥

[hollow sorrel]

Like I think I can't start the game with the Hestial rail, unless it's at least heat 20

lol, I heard there might be an update soon, and maybe a beta

[turbid arch]

Looking back at the time I beat the game at 120 heat for the first time

I have it on record, which is nice.

[cursive wing]

I see very few people post runs or advice for the gauntlets... Is there any specific reason?

[dry ember]

What

For the fist?

[raw violet]

i dunno, having unalterable jury summons and calisthenics alone make hell mode a chore overall to me

[turbid arch]

I see the Gauntlets are being talked about in here somewhat often.

[cursive wing]

yes, the fist 😄

[turbid arch]

I personally do not like them, but others do

[dry ember]

Erm

[hollow sorrel]

I'm crossing my fingers for changes to tight deadline, forced overtime animation issues, certain benefit package combos, and final boss hitbox issues.

[raw violet]

advice for fist is easy

hold attack

dash when combo ends

[magic dagger]

dash a lot

[raw violet]

dash when dodging attacks

[magic dagger]

every three strikes is optimal

[raw violet]

ez win

[dry ember]

Where is nyaa when you need her

Lol

[cursive wing]

I do OK with them, but hades kills me 🙂 oh and also the spam of small carriages

[raw violet]

the only learning curve to fists is if you're interested in using a special-centric build

[dry ember]

Lightning Strike and Splitting Bolt

[raw violet]

in which case you just need to learn how to dash-attack-special

[dry ember]

Solve all of your damage problem

[magic dagger]

divine strike if you can get cast/special for dps

nigh invulnerability

[raw violet]

fist also staggers enemies a lot

[dry ember]

What do you do when you finish what you want in this game?

[raw violet]

so you can stand behind enemies and they'll never turn around as long as they aren't armored

[magic dagger]

What do you do when you finish what you want in this game?
@dry ember speedruns?

or play another game

[naive tusk]

Or start a new save file

[raw violet]

start a hell mode save

[naive tusk]

In fact, I might do that once the game is fully released so I get to experience all the events in a timely manner instead of a cluster-talk after each update lol

[dry ember]

Maybe I'll try Pyre out

Once I 32ed all weapons

[raw violet]

join the 45+ heat competition

[dry ember]

And check when launch arrives

[naive tusk]

OMG Foxy you should totally join the club if you like Pyre 🤩

[turbid arch]

Pyre is going to be a nice relaxing change of pace.

Don't join the 45+ heat run crew.

[raw violet]

yeah, play pyre

[turbid arch]

It ain't worth it.

[raw violet]

someone needs to do a fist run, it's missing

[dry ember]

On what heat?

45+ but how much +

[turbid arch]

Someone will eventually do that but so god help me

that someone ain't gonna be me.

[raw violet]

whatever you want

apparently 40 is the highest known so far

[turbid arch]

I can see 40 heat being possible.

[dry ember]

So that means JS and CP

And maybe one or two points in AP and Mirror

[turbid arch]

JS and CP?

Oh yeah.

Jury Programm

Maaan

Looking at old footage, I find myself missing old Athena Dash and Aphrodite Dash

The double damage was so nice.

OH YEAH!

Death Defiances used to only give back 20% of your HP or so!

Man, anyone remember THOSE good old days?

[dry ember]

No, the future is now old man

[turbid arch]

OH MY GOD!

There was a time where Challenge Rooms where not the ABSOLUTE worst!

[hollow sorrel]

What did the challenge rooms used to do?

[turbid arch]

Looking at my old 120 heat clear

[hollow sorrel]

(I started when the game was released on Steam)

[turbid arch]

I see Tartarus enemies in a challenge room I entered in Elysium

The most dangerous enemies you could face then and there were brimstones who you could outplay in almost every case by just keep running in a circle franticly.

The rooms were absolute marathons. But they were doable.

Hades used to do a shock wave right after summoning the trap vases.

I wonder when and why they made him stop doing that.

[neon fiber]

It seems counterproductive since his own attacks can blow up the vases too iirc

[magic dagger]

having a shockwave and all of the vases going off at the same time would be tricky to avoid though

[cursive wing]

I love athena dash to break all the vases 🙂

[lament coral]

if you fear the vases (which you should), get Athena's foot boon, the one that reduces trap damage

cause the vases are considered traps

[magic dagger]

Athena's foot boon
sure footing

[peak iron]

Ahh yes

Athena, the bearer of Dr. Scholl's extra thicc shoe sole inserts

[magic dagger]

I prefer to think of it as sturdy boot tread

[tepid ridge]

Dr. Shield’s

Sandal padding?

[turbid needle]

Athena, the bearer of Dr. Scholl's extra thicc shoe sole inserts
@peak iron Damn, it's been a loooooong time last i heard the name Dr. Scholl lol

[peak iron]

Natsukashii meme desu yo ne

[wintry plume]

yo i made it to theseus somehow, but i avoided the miniboss so probably it will take more time

[peak iron]

Fight on

[magic dagger]

not much, the difference is negligible

[neon fiber]

you can probably do this symbo i kinda believe in you

[dry ember]

I got to chamber 34 on 45 heat

Then almost died to td

Hmm

[peak iron]

td?

[dry ember]

Tight Deadline

[neon fiber]

oof

[small stirrup]

https://gyazo.com/acb1ce5d0cd6bf03b488b22402a67dae

Wish I could pick it up

It just lying there

I'm running shield as well

Literally just become Thesus

[peak iron]

I would love to hear Theseus lines about using his own spear against him

In fact, I would love to hear more Theseus lines in general

[small stirrup]

"HOW DARE YOU FIEND!"

[peak iron]

"[Incredible Outrage.] + [Boastful Pat On Own Back] + [Long Winded Cut Down of Zagreus] + FIEND!"

How to Theseus

[small stirrup]

I swear he's the type to write a book about how amazing he is and buy his entire stock

[peak iron]

Well, he couldn't let just any old blackguard get their hands on it

[tough grotto]

God I hate theseus so much

[neon fiber]

welcome to the club

[hardy epoch]

Which parts do you hate specifically

[tough grotto]

Thank you, I feel very welcome knowing that 100% of the playerbase is a part of it

[peak iron]

D:<

[tough grotto]

Mostly how self-righteous he is

[peak iron]

He's hilarious, how can you not love him

He's the definition of a paper tiger

[tough grotto]

Bruh moment

[peak iron]

The game would instantly be better if there was like, an Elysium lounge where you could chat Theseus up

And maybe the bull, but IDGAF about him

[main osprey]

just got 703 darkness from Elysium boss

[neon fiber]

liking theseus
not liking asterius
i'm pressing the ignore button

[main osprey]

+486% darkness, gotta love it

[tough grotto]

The bull >>>>>

[peak iron]

Good, you're clearly an uneducated swine who doesn't deserve my opinion

You fiend

[tough grotto]

Trash opinion is trash

[main osprey]

You blackguard

what are we arguing?

[tough grotto]

That theseus is trash

[peak iron]

Say what you like Ayer

[tough grotto]

And this absolute buffoon

Saying otherwise

Meg. I like Meg.

[peak iron]

A lion does not concern themselves with the opinion of SHEEP

Which is what YOU ARE

FIEND

[tough grotto]

I'm the lion in this relationship you redblood

[main osprey]

honestly, idgaf about Theseus. Asterius is cool though.

Also you're a cat, not a lion? Not even sure from those ears

maybe Jackal?

[peak iron]

Is it a jackal?

It's a jackal!

A JACKAL?!

[tough grotto]

Those are the "my parents are disappointed of me" ears

[peak iron]

Disappointed in me, thank you very much.

[main osprey]

wait, did I actually guess right?

[peak iron]

No, they're wolf ears, but close enough tbh

[main osprey]

aight

[tough grotto]

Aren't wolf ears more pointy

[peak iron]

It's chibi anime art, I don't think the artist is overly concerned with anatomical correctness.

[tough grotto]

They should. That's a mix of dog and bunny ears and my opinion, as the lion, is final.

[main osprey]

ah yes, but I am the clearly superior animal

a Swan

[neon fiber]

nah, horses are the superior animal

[tough grotto]

According to TierZoo swans are kinda overpowered

[main osprey]

I'd like to see one of those two try to fight one

[neon fiber]

🐴 are cool

[main osprey]

horses are cool

yes

[tough grotto]

Kick it once and all its bones will explode

[peak iron]

You know what's even cooler than a horse

[main osprey]

ice?

[tough grotto]

A bull, like asterius

Ice lul wat

[peak iron]

A self propelled, armored chariot with a couple of miniguns and a grenade launcher, which is what real heroes ride

Real heroes like Theseus

[tough grotto]

Theseus walks like a pleb

And throws his toothpick around

[main osprey]

it's not even a sharp toothpick

[tough grotto]

Your opinion is now invalid

[main osprey]

my shield hurts more than his spear

[peak iron]

Meg doesn't even know how to drive lmao

[tough grotto]

Only does 20 dmg smh my head

BRO

[main osprey]

also, apparently the Charged Shot goes through shields, good to know

including through Theseus' shield

[tough grotto]

I'm not gonna start a waifu war over Theseus

You got a weird waifu bro, just sayin

Charged shot is great

[peak iron]

Waifu

Disgusting weeaboo

Ew

[neon fiber]

theseus doesn't deserve the macedonian he literally only has it because zag woke up in a rather masochistic mood one day

[tough grotto]

Uses chibi anime art as his pfp

[main osprey]

I'm now even more convinced that the Shield is incredibly good. You can throw the special while charging the attack, the Charged Shot goes through shields

[neon fiber]

he even got pranked with the mask

when he's riding the macedonian

[peak iron]

Uses chibi art and complains about weeaboos while watching Bakemonogatari

Fixed that for you

[tough grotto]

Shield is not INCREDIBLY good, it's ok

With the right boons and hammer upgrades you can make it work

[main osprey]

true

[tough grotto]

It's ok Nym, even weebs make fun of other weebs for being weebs

[main osprey]

definitely dependent on hammer

[peak iron]

I know. I'm doing it right now :DDD

I find that Chaos shield is the most fun of all the weapons to use.

[tough grotto]

A lot of builds are weirdly dependent on hammer

[main osprey]

0.o

[neon fiber]

watching any of the monogatari series
disgusting

[tough grotto]

Like it's the single most important upgrade in a run

[main osprey]

i just accidentally went into Styx with a god keepsake instead of the acorn

[neon fiber]

no wonder you like theseus you have awful taste

[tough grotto]

Oh I did that too and got slapped around

[main osprey]

I better get something good Demeter, I swear

[tough grotto]

Lost in Hade's 2nd phase when he was at like 10% health

[peak iron]

Acorn? Personally, I prefer the broken spear tip

[tough grotto]

Even tho I had Ice Wine

[peak iron]

More mileage overall

[tough grotto]

What does the speartip do I don't remember

[peak iron]

1.5s invincibility after taking a hit

[main osprey]

I used BS last run, but I also had Divine Protection

[peak iron]

7s cooldown

Stops you from getting swarmed down in certain situations

[tough grotto]

And bro anything that allows me to tank 5 spin-to-wins is the best boss keepsake in my book

[main osprey]

it's good for Styx

[peak iron]

You know what else is great for avoiding Spin to Win? Dodging it :DDD

[tough grotto]

Sure

[peak iron]

Just don't get hit xd

[neon fiber]

acorn's good but only for bosses

[tough grotto]

But sometimes it just doesn't happen

[neon fiber]

then press spacebar

to dash

[tough grotto]

Well I mean its only function is related to bossing

Literally only good for bosses at all

[neon fiber]

yeah

[peak iron]

I think speartip serves a similar function to Acorn, but since you can use it in every room, you end up saving yourself more damage in the long run than Acorn does

[main osprey]

lmao chaos just laughed as I killed a bunch of rats

[peak iron]

And the maximum potential of Spear Tip to save a bunch of HP is wayyyyy higher

[tough grotto]

Long run doesn't matter since you can just change keepsakes when entering a zone

[peak iron]

The things Chaus finds amusing are...interesting.

[main osprey]

YES

WINTER HARVEST

[tough grotto]

I usually go with God keepsakes in order to wrap up the build up until Styx

[main osprey]

DEMETER YOU DIDN'T LET ME DOWN

[tough grotto]

Demeter never lets anyone down, S tier Olympian

Alongside Dio

[main osprey]

now Zeus

zues let me down this run

[tough grotto]

Cold Fusion

[main osprey]

I had his keepsake from start through elysium

and I got offered him twice

[neon fiber]

demeter did let someone down

[tough grotto]

Rip

[neon fiber]

like the entirety of mankind

[peak iron]

Nah, mankind let Demeter down yo

[main osprey]

but hey, got Dem's prophecy done, so hopefully next run Zeus will be nicer

[tough grotto]

Mere ignorant masses

[neon fiber]

the poor sods didn't even do anything

[raw violet]

@mighty ermine @dry ember lol spreadfire room 1 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508224167498219521/717507005123657779/Hades_00017.png

[neon fiber]

[tough grotto]

I went with a lv1 Guan Yu and actually managed to get to Styx, h o w

I had less than 50 health

[neon fiber]

they just ||woke up one day and bam, eternal winter||

[mighty ermine]

lol, the classic

[raw violet]

• 2 sac

[tough grotto]

Heroic Greatest Reflex oof

[peak iron]

+4 extra dashes feels so good

Got lucky and got it on my last run

[tough grotto]

You were stupid lucky that run bro

[raw violet]

i think that ends my effort on time

[tough grotto]

I got Hermes' legendary once how bout dat

[raw violet]

that run coulda been better if I had gotten more than 2 artemis boons

[tough grotto]

WAIT YO 8MIN CLEAR TIME

Haxxed

[mighty ermine]

welcome to spread fire

[tough grotto]

That a world record or something

I used spread fire twice and lost once with it

[neon fiber]

spread fire + heroic artemis is

one hell of a drug

[tough grotto]

disgusting

[raw violet]

nah, WR is sub 4 min

[mighty ermine]

yeah

[tough grotto]

Bruh how

[mighty ermine]

granted that was seeded and routed

[raw violet]

correct

[mighty ermine]

but also dash-strike spread fire is

[neon fiber]

seeded
for shame

[mighty ermine]

well. yeah

[neon fiber]

i will no longer praise that run

[raw violet]

i wish i had gotten heroic hunter dash instead

didn't even have a dash til end of asphodel

but i guess the heroic hermes dash is a good tradeoff

[peak iron]

If there was one perk I could choose to get on every run it would have to be greatest reflex

It just feels so good

[raw violet]

also wasted bone hourglass, no charon wells in styx

again

[mighty ermine]

dang

and olympian legacy didn't seem to do much i suppose

[raw violet]

nah, i forgot to switch that before the run

but i guess it didn't matter

since i ended up with epics and rares anyway

[mighty ermine]

well, aside from the chaos attack boon and attack speed from hermes

[raw violet]

i've been mostly unlucky on my bone hourglass in styx for most of these runs

oh yeah

i'm not sure attack speed does anything

[peak iron]

What's the plan with bone hourglass in styx?

[raw violet]

i picked it up cause why not

bone hour glass lets you stack up attack jerkys for Hades fight

40% attack is no joke

let alone more

[wintry plume]

https://imgur.com/Ez7jom3 GUYS MY FIRST DUO BOON

[peak iron]

Undefined?

[raw violet]

chaos rooms also came in asphodel and elysium so coulda gotten more out of them but I'd say that'll probably be my best run for awhile

[mighty ermine]

isn't cyclops jerky 30% increase?

[tough grotto]

mama mia

[mighty ermine]

not that it changes your point at all because you're right anyway

[main osprey]

nice job Symbo!

[tough grotto]

@wintry plume Congrats

[raw violet]

oh maybe?

i don't even read these days

i know pattys is 60 for sure

[tough grotto]

I've actually never gotten that one lol

[wintry plume]

well i mean i didn't do anything myself but thanks!

[raw violet]

so 30 is probably right

[tough grotto]

I'm missing like 3 duo boons

[raw violet]

the real winner of that run was the darkness boost though

[peak iron]

I got 3 epic darkness boosts from Chaos on one run

[wintry plume]

Question, am i the only one that finds Olympian favour and the alt talent strange? Like of course people are gonna invest in the one that increases legend. and duo boons, even if it's more expensive

[peak iron]

The amount of darkness I got off hades was staggering

Legendary and Duo Boons have certain setups. The flipped talent gives you more "Consistent" power.

[raw violet]

@wintry plume that's a good question and relevant to the run I just did where I would have preferred olympian favor

[peak iron]

You need X boons in order to get Y legendary/duo boon.

[raw violet]

since I knew from the start that there was no duo or legendary that I needed nor would help my particular run

[tough grotto]

You need specific boons for duo

[raw violet]

majority of the time, I go with the other though

[tough grotto]

And at least one T1 and one T2 for legendary iirc

[wintry plume]

oh ok... now makes more sense

[peak iron]

It's different for different gods. The game does a bad job of explaining what boons lead to other boons.

I wouldn't have known that's how duos and legendary boons worked if I hadn't seen the wiki

[tough grotto]

Thankfully the wiki does that very well

[peak iron]

It's kinda lame you have to look it up on the wiki, though, the information ought to be available in game imo

[tough grotto]

Yeah I agree

There should be a codex section

Like, if you unlock the boon once, the pathway that led to it gets engraved in the codex

[dry ember]

Ugh the bruiser perk really sucks the fun out of this game

It's so unfun to hit a punching bag

Over and over again

[peak iron]

The amount of extra HP is obscene

[dry ember]

Yeah especially compared to other perks

[jagged solstice]

Agreed, it's never fun to run into them

[dry ember]

I think there is a design flaw here

Every perk more or less has a counter

You can dodge the link

Find the real clone etc etc

Even the damage buff one you can dodge can play around it

There is no counter to a tanky oponent

You just hit them over and over and that's not interactive...

[peak iron]

Sure it is! It's just a very prolonged interaction

Har har

[tough grotto]

Did it with a pretty insane build

https://imgur.com/a/ftA5L2G

Blizzard Shot is very broken, I love it

[magic dagger]

screw weapons, we use cast builds here

[tough grotto]

^

I'm gonna go with another cast build now

With poseidon blade for dat extra dmg

[peak iron]

I am no limp-wristed wizard

I will kill with my own two hands

[tough grotto]

Wizards always were and always will be the best class anyway

Wizard master race

Weapons are for peasants who can't rely on their own big brain and skillz to crush their enemies

iNfErNaL ArMs

[peak iron]

Can you imagine being so weak you can't even swing a sword? That dumbbells make you start to sweat, and you turn pale at the sight of a barbell?

Good luck seducing Theseus with those wiry stick arms

[tough grotto]

Who even needs a pathetic sword when you can wipe out your enemies with a blizzard

Wizards merely choose not to get down to such level

And nobody cares about Theseus anyway, it's all about Meg

[peak iron]

Meg being impressed that you can barely even lift a dagger with your tiny baby arms

wheeze

[tough grotto]

Meg being impressed that you can do 2k dmg in less than 5 seconds with 3 casts

Oh yeah it's all coming together

Wizards > Warriors

Such is the way of the world

You're the type of dude to choose Barbarian or Knight in an rpg smh

[peak iron]

There is no shame in choosing the class that is most fun, which is the class that lets you destroy with your own two hands

[neon fiber]

Imagine not picking glorious paladin

Which lets you do both

[peak iron]

Ahhh, paladins are a thing of beauty

And little else.

[tough grotto]

Paladins are indoctrinated zealots

And a half-baked wizard who couldn't go all the way and as such had to rely on superficial things like 'weapons'

Outside sources of power

At least they're better than warriors

[tepid ridge]

Zag is a warlock with Nyx as his patron just saying

[magic dagger]

what do you get when you slap charged skewer and arti attack on guan yu?

[tough grotto]

Sadness

Charged skewer takes too long to charge

[magic dagger]

lulz I meant arti special

and you don't need to fully charge it, you get to full damage long before full range

and it's good damage regardless

plus ~0 start-up/end lag

[kind cloud]

jaw saw haelian's complete 47 heat run. he survived by the skin of his teeth.

[tough grotto]

47 heat bruh

Is he a god

[kind cloud]

he's one of the best hades players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPxcceWRME8

[tough grotto]

...bow

Is that a seeded run?

[raw violet]

no

some of the 45+ heat runs start with a seed to ensure the first boon

but i believe this one did not

[hollow sorrel]

That's my favorite bow

[kind cloud]

#TeamIHateTheDamnBow

[hollow sorrel]

And if people were seeding a run for that bow, that hammer is one of the best choices, since it's like instant double damage

[raw violet]

yeah, i don't actually remember when this was live

he did a lot of runs with different weapons

but dying and starting a new run and getting the twin shot off the bat could be called seeded

however you wanna define it

but then all runs are seeded

[hollow sorrel]

Some runs are a lot more seeded than others, as in lots of RNG manipulation to get multiple hammer/boon choices that you want

[raw violet]

then it's routed

seed only refers to the initial boon or two

since the rng factors quickly diverge after interacting with enemies

[hollow sorrel]

The most I do is first room specific hammer, first or second room chaos attack, first actual boon aphro attack.

It's not like the full mapping I think some people were doing with one specific seed. Like mapping the entire biomes

Though I honestly don't know how far that project current is

[raw violet]

if it's the one that's currently used, then it's routed through elysium

including elysium

for the any% and 32 heat world records

[tough grotto]

Why aphro attack

[raw violet]

it's what he was given

[tough grotto]

And honestly if you need to follow such a specific set of steps in order not to get demolished the game stops being fun imo

Artificial difficulty

[raw violet]

but aphro attack is quite good on zag bow

aphro in general offers strong boons

you can't really route these ultra high heat runs, the variance is too great

[tough grotto]

Never used Aphrodite much, she always felt subpar

[raw violet]

people route to get the fastest times possible with what the game offers in mechanics

[hollow sorrel]

I like Aphro because it doesn't feel like her attack boon needs to be comboed with anything, and if we're stuck selling a boon each biome, I don't want to risk having a combo get screwed up

[raw violet]

actually, i take that back, one guy did route tartarus for a 50 heat run

but for the heat competition that haelian is doing, there's none of that

[tough grotto]

Some people really are masochistic

[raw violet]

yeah coffee, high heat runs basically come down to getting a reliable single attack boon that can get you through all the rng

[tough grotto]

Why sell a boon each biome

[raw violet]

it's a pact option

[tough grotto]

oh rip

[raw violet]

weak is also one of the longest, if not the longest debuff

and clearly saved that run

[silver solstice]

Who are some good Hades youtubers other than Haelian?

and Vorime

[dry ember]

Yeah just watched the vid

That Twinshot bailed him out harder than the government bailed the 2008 banks.

Not that Haelian is bad, it takes tons of skills

But without TS that run is but over.

[hollow sorrel]

We can start every high heat bow game with a twinshot though, so it's fine relying on it.

[raw violet]

he had a run or two with triple that made it to Hades but twin shot is pretty much ideal

[dry ember]

Yeah I have no problem with people soft seeding runs.

I do it myself. I just wanted to emphasize the necessity of those upgrades.

[raw violet]

i was just saying triple is like second best option

bow feels pretty hammer-dependent

[dry ember]

Agreed

I made to to the second to last room on Elysium with fist on 45 heat

[cursive wing]

do crits impact crystal beam?

[dry ember]

Then chickened out and gave up to preserve the seed

Like from Pressure Points?

Yeah it should

[jagged solstice]

If you have Stubborn Defiance, does Patroclus' Kiss of Styx do anything?

[dry ember]

It heals more when you revive

[jagged solstice]

How much more? Cuz the wiki's got nothing on it

[dry ember]

Frankly I'm not sure... Someone else might have more info.

[jagged solstice]

Ah, well thank you

Went into the chamber for science: For the next 15 encounters your Stubborn Defiance restores 50% more health

[magic dagger]

yeah, with 2 touch of styx + that, you get a full heal per room

[sudden dagger]

Ugh I did the champions fight without any Hermes boons and it was so bad

Could not dodge that spear for anything

[jagged solstice]

First time running Aspect of Poseidon and a Cast build. Was extremely fun. Also, Big Five-Oh! https://gyazo.com/ff7f3d084c00830fe8a2dc51f3660bc1

[cursive wing]

Does rolling favor and maimed favor stack?

[jagged solstice]

From the wiki: Unlike other boons, you can get the same Blessing more than once in a run and the effects stack additively.

[cursive wing]

nice, so 49% rare or higher

59

[sudden dagger]

If I am trying to get aduo boon from a trial that both gods are in, is it better to try to get the duo from the first god or second God?

Like, is it possible to get the duo in the selection from the first god?

[stoic thicket]

You cannot get the duo boon from the two gods in the trial at all.

[sudden dagger]

Ah ok

[stoic thicket]

Like if you have Athena and Ares in the trial you cannot get Merciful End. You can get another duo boon from any of those two if you qualify, but not the combination.

[cunning urchin]

@sudden dagger that's . . . that is how you pronounce daemon.

[sudden dagger]

No

Ae makes an aeon sound

Not eon

[dry ember]

Isn't aeon pronounced e on?

[magic dagger]

Daemon! How dare you contradict the great princess Nyaanyaa Mewmew!? Back to the depths with you!

Isn't aeon pronounced e on?
@dry ember yes, like in "Encyclopaedia"

[dry ember]

Princess who what

[sudden dagger]

That's not how you spell encyclopedia lol

[cunning urchin]

The ae in aeon is pronounced ee, yes.

[sudden dagger]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æ

[magic dagger]

That's not how you spell encyclopedia lol
@sudden dagger Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc begs to differ

[dry ember]

I'll pass on this discussion

Sounds like a tomato tomato kinda deal

[sudden dagger]

Versus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin-script_digraphs#A

[cunning urchin]

You can spell it encyclopaedia or encyclopedia—just like you can spell it aeon or eon.

[sudden dagger]

And the word in question:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(classical_mythology) look at the alternate spelling

But you're right it is kind of a silly discussion

[cunning urchin]

ae·on
noun
\ˈē-ən, ˈē-ˌän
or eon \ˈē-ən, ˈē-ˌän
That's from the Merriam Webster's Unabridged dictionary. For clarity:
\ē\ as y in easy

[dry ember]

There are weirder hill to die on

[sudden dagger]

I'm kind of curious which room would have higher rarity boons: a trial with a little skull on it, or a single boon with a skull, a red ball, and golden sparkles

[dry ember]

I'm a bit confused my these descriptions.

I think Peach knows a thing or two about those actually

I don't dare to ping them though haha

[magic dagger]

check pins, scroll down a little

[sudden dagger]

Hold on there might be a graphic I can reference

[raw violet]

yeah, in the pins

i just don't know what you're describing in the second

sounds like miniboss room

[magic dagger]

pinned post by sparrow has all the elite room images and descriptions

[sudden dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png skull with a red dot is mini boss

[raw violet]

red arrow

[sudden dagger]

But I don't know how the sparkly effects change it

[raw violet]

it's an up arrow

"arrow"

[sudden dagger]

Looks like a ball to me shrug

[magic dagger]

sparkles are just there to be pretty idk

[sudden dagger]

I also never knew the re rolls were dice

So it stands to reason that a mini boss has better rarity than a trial right

[raw violet]

miniboss for sure has higher rarity

but i'm not 100% sure about trial

i want to say no, but i don't actually know the answer

[sudden dagger]

Because I could try to get Aphrodite's legendary for the first time, or get boons I want from her AND demeter if I choose the trial

[cunning urchin]

Trials can't give you Legendary or Duo Boons, anyway.

[magic dagger]

sure they can

[raw violet]

can definitely give legendary

just not duo from the paired gods

[sudden dagger]

Hmm

[raw violet]

i got aphro legendary during a aphro v artemis trial

[magic dagger]

I got ice win from dio/zeus

[sudden dagger]

I'm also holding a refreshing nectar charge and Aphrodite's keepsake

I could be greediest by choosing demeter first and Aphrodite second, but taking the mini boss might be a surer chance to get something good

[dry ember]

I think the rewards are predetermined per room

[sudden dagger]

How does that work

[raw violet]

i can't seem to find anything on trial rarity

but difficult encounters for other stuff offer higher amounts

like 2 keys

[sudden dagger]

If ever there was a time to save scum lol it would be now

For science

[dry ember]

The predetermination of rewards means that you won't receive boons which requirements are completed within said room.

This is my theory based on some save scumming experience

[cunning urchin]

General Gameplay
Duo Boons no longer offered during 'Trial of the Gods'(to not further complicate having to pick sides)
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688884011499520/577937474299494400

There's been no change to that since.

[raw violet]

but the only boons where picking one god to meet a requirement that you could get from another god second would be a duo boon

which we already said was not possible

[dry ember]

I pick side based on the saltiness of the one I spurn.

So Artemis is usually an easy target since her trial is nice. Hence she is best girl.

[sudden dagger]

It's still an interesting choice: do I go for max rarity on one god to aim for a legendary, or choose the trial hoping to still get the legendary plus another boon to boot

[raw violet]

@cunning urchin no one was saying duos were possible. we were saying legendaries are

[sudden dagger]

It was ambiguous to me whether or not all dual boons were disallowed, or just those relating to the trial, but now it's clarified for me

[cunning urchin]

^

[sudden dagger]

I feel like the miniboss has the better chance for the legendary so I'm doing that rather than take the gamble on the trial

[raw violet]

i get lightning rod on the regular

[sudden dagger]

Aaand I got unhealthy fixation woohoo

[cunning urchin]

💗

[dry ember]

Is that a legendary?

[sudden dagger]

Yeah

[magic dagger]

charms

[sudden dagger]

It was the last one I needed for the prophesy too

[dry ember]

Cry in Fully Loaded

[magic dagger]

I got fully loaded first try

and never again

[sudden dagger]

It would be nice to get demeter's chill stack thing if I can

[magic dagger]

arctic blast, which clears the stack for ~100 damage?

[supple crag]

https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/hephaestus/#:~:text=Hephaestus was the god of,a blacksmith for the gods.

Anyone interested in the God of Fire for this game? Haha

[sudden dagger]

Yeah 100 dmg is pretty good right

I'm not going to get it this run though. It wasn't in styx

Right now what I have going for me is ice wine, chaos special, bull rush power shot, and privilege status

[magic dagger]

wait a minute. dem legendary needs arctic blast or killing freeze
I take those two all the time
How have I never gotten winter's harvest offered?

dang it game

[cunning urchin]

Arctic Blast is okay. Killing Freeze is great.

[dry ember]

You need both

[magic dagger]

arctic blast sucks, relative to the other

[dry ember]

Idk

Artic Blast with Chaos shield special is nutty

You should try it

[magic dagger]

You need both
@dry ember got it
I still get both really often too. Demeter just doesn't like me.

[dry ember]

That's on you to upset the grandma

[raw violet]

demeter doesn't like anyone

[cunning urchin]

Frost Flourish on Chaos Aspect is poor compared to other options.

[dry ember]

Respectfully disagree

By itself, maybe

With Artic Blast or Killing Freeze, we talking a different power level

[naive tusk]

Hey hey hey, don't diss Arctic Blast before trying out Frost Strike with Exagryph

[cunning urchin]

No, we're not. Drunken Flourish and Curse of Pain can do double or triple the damage with Chaos Aspect, and they have great tier 2 boons, too.

[dry ember]

Seems tacky

I'm in

[naive tusk]

Or Mistral Dash + Frost Strike + Arctic Blast with Stygius

Peach out~

[dry ember]

I tried druken flourish shield

[cunning urchin]

There's maybe a case to make for Thunder Flourish, too. The rest just all pale in comparison.

[dry ember]

Bye Peach

People sleep on the extra damage from Frost Flourish

And you stack frost very quickly

So artic blast, even common can do some damage

Both for aoe and single target

[raw violet]

i dunno if i would go so far as to call T2 dio or ares as great

ares, situationally amazing

dio is...fine

[cunning urchin]

They don't need to be as great when the base damage from their Special is already so far ahead, anyway.

[raw violet]

and that may be how their trees are balanced

i was simply trying to be fair to frost flourish + T2 boons

vs dio/ares + T2

rather than special damage in isolation

since majority of runs are not gonna just be a core special boon in isolation

[cunning urchin]

Well, Merciful End + Impending Doom is the best damage you can get on Chaos Aspect.

[raw violet]

yes

now we'd have to compare other T1 + T2 + T3/duos to be fair

[dry ember]

Tbf demeter duo boon for chaos shield is a bit ???

Legendary is good though

[raw violet]

i bet merciful end probably still tops it

[dry ember]

But that tier 3.5

[cursive wing]

anyone knows if Killing freeze applies to bosses? ("Applying Chill to all enemies causes them to Slow and Decay.")

[raw violet]

but i'm willing to bet demeter > dio in this case

[dry ember]

My instinct says it should

[raw violet]

the only demeter duo i think would work on chaos is with thunder flourish

[cursive wing]

My instinct says it should
@dry ember it would make it powerful... since there is normally only one enemy, specially at ||hades||

[raw violet]

killing freeze works on bosses @cursive wing

[dry ember]

Winter Harvest does

[cunning urchin]

I'm very sure Drunken Flourish + Ice Wine + Black Out is more damage than anything you can get with Frost Flourish.

[raw violet]

i mean, i guess if you're going to throw in casts, might as well add in blizzard shot

[dry ember]

Do you even have time to cast Trippy Shot if you go chaos shield?

[cunning urchin]

Yes. Why wouldn't you?

[raw violet]

i don't see why not

it'd probably be a good thing to throw to buffer the time it takes for shield throws to come back

[dry ember]

Idk. I just don't pick non lodging casts unless I'm building specifically for them

[raw violet]

i don't usually either

[dry ember]

And casting trippy shot takes time

That I don't have

[raw violet]

not with ice wine

[cunning urchin]

I don't think Blizzard Shot does anything different for Frost Flourish than it does for Drunken Flourish. Black Out requires Festive Fog, anyway, so you would have Trippy Shot if you go for it (and ideally Ice Wine).

[raw violet]

ice wine is instant

maybe, but you don't have those numbers so it's all hypothetical now

[cunning urchin]

It doesn't really take time to cast Trippy Shot. It just takes time for it to hit. You can move again very quickly.

[raw violet]

but bliz shot does tons of damage on its own

so you can just throw it out there

[hushed ledge]

Trippy shot is really good for buying space in my experience

[raw violet]

and get your frost flourish + artic blast+ killing freeze

[dry ember]

Wait

Ice Wine is instant?

[raw violet]

yeah

[cursive wing]

so my bad luck is working well. This is the third time I try... I can't get the build I want so I dump into cast. I end the run with a casting build. 3 weapons already, and only used attack and special to add curses...