h1-builds-and-combat

[cursive wing]

Can anyone share a good Eris Aspect build?

[raw violet]

i find rocket special to be quite good on eris

for the easy buffs

[sudden dagger]

I don't think I've ever seen merciful end. I got Athena's dash because it was epic and I couldn't resist

[raw violet]

dash works too, you just end up playing slightly different if you have merciful end

you have flexibility

[dry ember]

@cursive wing Heartbreak Strike and Deadly Strike both work

I use Hestia like a mini bow

Dash strike the empowered shot

Reload repeat

[magic dagger]

he's asking about eris specifically

[wicked wyvern]

mfw I beat hydra for the first time with a chaos 23%+ damage

[dry ember]

Oh wait

I def misread Eris to Hestia

[raw violet]

still works, the suggestion

could do aphro/artemis split on attack or special

[dry ember]

Eris is weird

[raw violet]

get buffs/debuffs

[dry ember]

Lightning Strike works too

But Zag Rail is better with it

[raw violet]

the thing to learn about eris is you can reload and shoot a rocket at the same time

[wicked wyvern]

im in elysium now 🙂

[dry ember]

Gl

[raw violet]

there's a lot of ways to cover up the reload animation

by manually reloading at the same time as special or dash

so there's never a moment where you're not shooting something

[sudden dagger]

I've got chill special, doom attack, Athena dash, and alecto just went down faster than ever before...

[dry ember]

Here is for the first clear

You have a good setup

God speed

[main osprey]

God speed*

[raw violet]

that's a good priv status set up too if you happen to have it

but not necessary

[main osprey]

woah. completed a few prophecies recently and all of a sudden I have 18 blood

[dry ember]

I swear my phone is trolling me

[main osprey]

time to spend it all lol

[dry ember]

And it's gone

[main osprey]

I mean, this means I can max out chaos and chiron aspects for sure

and make progress towards maxing GY

[raw violet]

GY life

[sudden dagger]

Yeah I always run priv status, just in case

I just got merciful end: had ares keepsake, Eurydice's upgraded rarity thing, and fought a mini boss to get his boon, and the duo showed up

[dry ember]

Noo

[raw violet]

time to spam dash attacks

[mighty ermine]

nice, athena dash is the ideal merciful end proc too

[dry ember]

Please tell.me.you made it

[sudden dagger]

This is kind of fun, attack then dash

[dry ember]

Ok the run continues

:D

[sudden dagger]

Just beat lernie, I'm also trying to save coin to proc the 25% mirror interest

Got some chaos money boosters too

[mighty ermine]

i think it's only 15% interest

but imagine if it was 25%, whew

[cursive wing]

could do aphro/artemis split on attack or special
@raw violet For the Attack boon, do you choose aphro or artemis?

[raw violet]

you could do either

i honestly don't know if one is preferable over the other

it's nice to have crit on rocket

especially if you also have triple bomb

[cursive wing]

so weak on attack and crit on rocket

[raw violet]

but crit on attack does probably the same thing

with eris you're rotating attack and special a lot so you're using both somewhat equally

[mighty ermine]

yeah, i wouldn't worry too much about which goes where in that particular context

[raw violet]

though one could say it's easier to spread weak around with attack

[mighty ermine]

they both would work fine

[raw violet]

so that your big number crits with rocket are more effective

[cursive wing]

I just don't like stay 'stationary' for the attacks

[raw violet]

you don't need to

i rarely use attack on the rail

usually dash-attack

[cursive wing]

aaaah

[sudden dagger]

Chose a area/Athena face off instead of a Hermes boon. Feels weird not to choose Hermes automatically

[raw violet]

i would pick a trial over hermes on shield any day

[sudden dagger]

Also chose a pom over an Artemis boon earlier to not pollute the boon pool

[raw violet]

unless that trial was two gods i didn't care about

[main osprey]

dangit, almost made it through hydra without getting hit

[sudden dagger]

Good glad my intuition was right about that

[main osprey]

accidentally got hit by one of his purple needles while I was clearing the second wave

[silver solstice]

If I use the butterfly thing and trade it for a different keepsake in the middle of the run, do I lose the bonuses earned thus far?

[raw violet]

yes

[silver solstice]

dang

so basically it's all or nothing with that thing

[tough grotto]

I did it bois, oh ye

[sudden dagger]

Yes, same with the Lambert plume

Wow I have 998 coin going into Styx... Never before lol

[main osprey]

nice!

[dry ember]

I did it bois, oh ye
@tough grotto you did what?

[main osprey]

...how am I have so much trouble finding Brilliant Riposte

I've been offered a total of over 20 boons by Athena this run, very first one was Divine Flourish so I know I'm eligible to get BR

[tough grotto]

I beat Mr. Final Boss

I'm gonna try to upload the build screenshot here

[main osprey]

and once again, I get to Styx with one or two Tier 1 Athena boons, somehow not being offered BR despite seeing Athena several times, and she doesn't even show up in Styx

[dry ember]

Grats!

[main osprey]

do I need to accept more boons from other gods, or something? is that what I'm missing to get BR?

[raw violet]

need a blood sacrifice

[main osprey]

I can do that, I still have some blood left over from upgrading my weapons

[untold vortex]

what t1 boons did you have?

[haughty stone]

Not getting BR, a tier 2 boon after getting a tier 1 boon is just unfortunate or may have to do with that tier 1 you got

[raw violet]

he had divine flourish

[main osprey]

and I got dash right before the elysium boss

[raw violet]

which should be enough

[main osprey]

gimme a sec to finish this room and I'll show my current build

[untold vortex]

that's just bad luck in that case

[main osprey]

https://imgur.com/MyNyOAp

this has been going on for several runs :/

[haughty stone]

yeah, it looks like it's just bad luck? Afterall you have multiple boons that are eligible for BR

[main osprey]

I used a total of 5 dice on her as well :/

on the other hand, I now have a level 7 boon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[haughty stone]

I might need to try for an Athena run myself to see if BR is just rarer than some others, I don't normally go out of my way to go for Athena

[main osprey]

I'm trying to finish up teh prophecies, I already have BR I just need the legendary

[haughty stone]

Ah, I believe I had a bit of trouble too while trying to get DP

[sudden dagger]

Whoo it's Hades time. I think I need to take a break, never felt this nervous about it

[dry ember]

You can do it

I'm right behind ya

Been hoping for your first clear mate

[sterile portal]

You got this, just breathe and don't get spooked

[sudden dagger]

Thanks

So thinking about his patterns... Basically, don't get hit, kill all the flying skulls, hide behind the shield and/or pillar thing. Any other tips?

[raw violet]

don't get greedy

you know his attack patterns, you know when he stops his combos

attack when it's safe, stay alive when it isn't

give yourself space if you need it

[sudden dagger]

Same goes for killing the butterfly guy: wait until he stops his combos

[loud flame]

wait the butterfly mini-boss has combos?

[haughty stone]

@main osprey Sorry about your luck, it's just going to need a bit of persistence, I'm not sure if any tier 1 has a higher chance of granting BR, but this run was actually a run I forgot about and came back to

https://imgur.com/a/1D5O886

[main osprey]

:/

aight

nj tho

[sudden dagger]

Yikes, well... It is done

[dry ember]

The ambiguity in this

[sudden dagger]

OH MY GOD NARRATOR!

[main osprey]

lol

[raw violet]

i'm gonna guess that's a clear

[sudden dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717151251330105347/717207123880312832/Hades_00008.png

First clear. Whew. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717151251330105347/717207316763639848/Hades_00007.png

[dry ember]

🎉

Yay

[sudden dagger]

oh lol wrong screenshot

[main osprey]

nice!

[dry ember]

First of Many

[sudden dagger]

thanks y'all, and thanks for all your encouragement throughout

[haughty stone]

Great job!

[dry ember]

GJ

[sudden dagger]

Here's the proper sreenshot: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717151251330105347/717207638911352863/Hades_00009.png

[dry ember]

4 lines of boons

[sudden dagger]

Also hypnos welcomed me back with the message: "Congratulations! You have died a hundred times since I've been keeping track."

Pretty funny lol

[main osprey]

was that attempt 100?

[sudden dagger]

Yes

[main osprey]

oh wow

[sudden dagger]

Or 101 I think

[main osprey]

that's some dedication :D

[sudden dagger]

Yeah I'm not that good at this game but it's pretty fun

[haughty stone]

It's always great seeing people having fun with something, and gratz on the 100th run apparently!

[main osprey]

YES

I FINALLY GOT BRILLIANT RIPOSTE

[sudden dagger]

Thanks!

[main osprey]

IN TARTARUS

[haughty stone]

NICE!

[sudden dagger]

Congrats swan!

[main osprey]

MY SECOND ATHENA BOON, ONE REROLL

[dry ember]

You made it so you made it.

[haughty stone]

And now that you have that, since you have Legacy, it should be easier to get the legendary!

[main osprey]

ye :D

Uhh

Epic Drift Dash, Epic Quick Recovery, or Epic Second Wind (with Pos Call)

Hermes usually isn't this nice to me 0.o

[raw violet]

he's not really that nice

that's like being offered 3x epic crystal beams

[main osprey]

lol

drift is fun tho

[raw violet]

not wrong

i actually like second wind a lot

[sudden dagger]

Oop I forgot to involve the companion that time

[raw violet]

not my top 3 for hermes but i'll take it

[sudden dagger]

Although I was kind of afraid it would get Meg in trouble

[raw violet]

can't use Meg on Hades anyway

[turbid needle]

Another 4 failures on 32 today 😦 haha

[sudden dagger]

Good to know

[stuck crater]

hi guys, im new into the game and discord here, where i can ask about some item ?

[main osprey]

here is a fine place!

welcome ^.^

[turbid needle]

Welcome!

[sterile portal]

Welcome!

[stuck crater]

thx 🙂

i have 2 titan bloods but idk where i use them

[turbid needle]

You use them for upgrading your weapons

But you need to unlock all of them first

[stuck crater]

uhmmm

[main osprey]

right, keep forgetting that that's the trigger for it

[turbid needle]

Sometimes i forget it as well lol

[stuck crater]

its my second day at the game, my far was 34

[main osprey]

once you have all of them unlocked, you'll get a prompt to interact with them

[turbid needle]

You already know how to unlock weapons? You do it using keys on the weapons

[stuck crater]

ok, so i need to unlock all weapons first ? then i can use the titan blood to upgrade weapons

[main osprey]

👍

[turbid needle]

Exactly

[stuck crater]

got it thx

[turbid needle]

np 🙂

[main osprey]

YES

DIVINE PROTECTION

[sudden dagger]

Have fun!

[main osprey]

I just froze Asterius in place lol (reported it, dw)

[sudden dagger]

Walking in on the 3 sisters for the first time... Zag's best choice acting so far :D

Nice, mega Gorgon got me

[main osprey]

Hmm...any thoughts on Divine Protection combined with Broken Spearpoint?

[sudden dagger]

Hmm... Is it more worth it to pay 2 diamonds for Erebus, or wait for one more diamond to buy the last of the currency upgrades from the contractor (gems give you +20 coin...)

[main osprey]

I rarely go into Erebus ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden dagger]

In all the yt let's plays I've seen, they always ignore Erebus too

[nocturne radish]

Does anyone know how does Olympian legacy work?

Which is better? Legacy vs Favor?

[main osprey]

I use Legacy, but I'm focusing on getting Prophecies (which means Duo and Legendary)

[haughty stone]

Personally I like Favor because it gives me a decent chance at better reliability per boon, but Legacy is great for synergies and some of them are absurd together

[native ether]

I vastly prefer Legacy

[nocturne radish]

Personally I like Favor because it gives me a decent chance at better reliability per boon, but Legacy is great for synergies and some of them are absurd together
@haughty stone Wouldn't Legacy need me to be late game?

[native ether]

Rare boons are often a 50% stat increase

which can be good, but I often rarely notice the effect too much

however, the effect of a Duo or Legendary boon is always noticeable and a vast majority of them are extremely powerful

[untold vortex]

they're both great in their own right, it kinda depends on what you want more

[native ether]

they're both good, imo its down to preference

[haughty stone]

Both are great, preference in the end, is king

[rugged apex]

Duos and Legendaries are also pretty rare by default

[nocturne radish]

Doesn't Legendary only appear in late game?

[untold vortex]

so imo, try both and pick the one you like like more ^_^

[magic dagger]

you don't need to be late game at all, you just need to pick the prereqs for legendaries/duos

[haughty stone]

@nocturne radish Legendary and Duos only have prerequisites, you can get one even in the first area if you're lucky enough

[magic dagger]

so if you know the trees you can literally get duos/legendaries on the first run

[native ether]

Duo and Legendary boons are fairly rare (in fact the rate was reduced when Legacy was introduced), meaning if you want to capitalize off their synergies, its best to run Legacy.

[untold vortex]

the boon trees that was made by HeartfulPeach are pinned here ^_^ (doesn't include dous though)

[main osprey]

ah, but the wiki does have lists for the duos

[native ether]

the typical duo pre-req is "Any Primary/Base Weapon Boon from both gods"

[rugged apex]

so personally I prefer Legacy, since getting Duo boons can be a huge pain

[native ether]

some require specific modifiers, like Hunting Blades requires Ares Cast

[nocturne radish]

where is the boon duo spreadsheet?

Is there one?

[main osprey]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons

closest we've got that I know of

[native ether]

That's a fairly accurate list of all currently existing duo boons and their pre-reqs. Numbers might be a bit off, but effects are correct.

the other reason you don't necessarily need Favor because you can rush Dionysus and Poseidon (both powerful gods with good effects) grab Exclusive Access, and then every boon is Epic :p

[haughty stone]

I can concede to that, Exclusive Access can invalidate Favor completely if you get it early enough lol

[native ether]

with Legacy, Fated Authority, and a bit of luck, its definitely doable

and a starting keepsake

ive been able to roll Hunting Blades pre furies multiple times

its not consistent, but it is possible, and not exactly rare

[haughty stone]

Without a doubt, Favor just gives a type of reliability that I like over Legacy, which while very powerful, raw numbers are great to look at for me, especially since I don't often go out of my way for Poseidon for Exclusive Access

But I can say overall, Legacy will probably give people a better experience with it's variations between all the duo boons

I just like Favor

[sterile portal]

Just did my first extreme measures run (decided to turn it all on at once for heat 5)

Dear god that is something else

[haughty stone]

Hey nice job!

Definitely not an easy thing the first time around

[sterile portal]

Thanks, lost 1 death defiance on boss 2 and 3

definitely think asterius is harder while thesues is easier

[main osprey]

https://imgur.com/M0c3G5G

about to go in :D

[sterile portal]

good luck! smack him good!

[haughty stone]

Best of luck!

But yeah, I don't remember the first time I did Extreme Measures very well since I sort of got lucky early on, grabbed World Splitter, some crits from Artemis and protection from Athena, most things died immediately after a few good whacks, but I can agree that Theseus seemed a bit easier in that form

A bit more telegraphed due to the circle pattern

[sterile portal]

Yeah, instead of dealing with a ranged ping while fighting theseus, it was just a dude running around in circles

[haughty stone]

Sort of like a headless chicken that got a gun

or, well, several big guns

[sterile portal]

Exactly

[haughty stone]

Asterius was relentless however

[sterile portal]

Asterius on the other hand drops massive circles around himself

Got hit once or twice just cause he dropped down in certain locations

[haughty stone]

I didn't get to see a whole lot of Theseus because of the damage I was putting out, but it was outright dangerous trying to get near Asterius for any amount of time lol

[sterile portal]

I was using a Guan Yu Special build, so i was able to mostly keep at a range

[main osprey]

yo! I don't know who I was talking to about this last week, but can confirm the final boss definitely has a hitbox while he's invisible!

[haughty stone]

Yup, he does, you just need to find him first lol

not too hard since he dashes and leaves a trail

[main osprey]

we were trying to figure out how much of a hitbox he actually had

[sterile portal]

Oh really? That's good to know

[main osprey]

you can't hurt him, mind you

[stoic thicket]

I have managed to work up to heat 16 and could probably do more if pushed but I have yet to dare going up at EM3. Dear Lernie at EM2 is something else already.

[main osprey]

but he does exist

[haughty stone]

Dear gods, Heat 16?I've only gotten to 13 so far, and yeah, In my opinion, EM Hydra is horrifying lol

[main osprey]

still haven't tried EM yet

that's another for my win streak though :D

[haughty stone]

Nice!

[stoic thicket]

A couple days ago I just did low heat farm runs for the first time and I was absolutely surprised just how much more chill Lernie is when you got used to the EM version and then drop down to regular.

[sterile portal]

EM Lernie is awful

but EM Elysium bosses are actually somewhat easier?

[haughty stone]

Yeah, EM Lernie is quite a bit more difficult, but if you can get used to them on EM, you basically don't need to worry about them anymore, definitely get up to EM3! Asterius is a lot of fun and Theseus is a headless chicken

[sterile portal]

EM Furies are just more fun imo

[haughty stone]

EM Furies we're a lot of fun too^

Lernie is definitely the boss that gets boosted the most with EM

[sterile portal]

Yeah Lernie was the only one who had me genuinely panicking

Also, does his neck snap at 33% or 66%?

[stoic thicket]

Lernie's fight is just so cramped.

[haughty stone]

First time I died in quite a while was the first few times I had to deal with the hydra on EM

Also his neck snaps at around 33% if I remember, although it's been a while since I've been working on getting more codex progress

scratch that, wiki says 66%

[sterile portal]

The wiki seems to be wrong, hence why I ask xD

[haughty stone]

I'm going to have to go test it then, I can't remember for the life of me

[sterile portal]

His neck snapped at 33% for me at least

That fight was just annoying cause of all the chip damage

[haughty stone]

Yeah, Lernie normally is a bunch of chip damage, but EM turns that up to 11 lol

[sterile portal]

Yeah, usually not a problem, but again Guan Yu Special instead of spin

[haughty stone]

The reduced health on Guan Yu's blade must have been terrifying for that fight

[sterile portal]

Yeah I had picked up the Charged Skewer so I was just standing around typically in lava

oh well, should be easier in the future

[haughty stone]

Best of luck with future runs!

[sterile portal]

Thanks

[main osprey]

https://imgur.com/OBJwo3A

I'm sorry what

[sterile portal]

Lol I just got the 15 keys for 1 blood offer instead

[haughty stone]

It can also be Ambrosia instead of blood for that particular deal

[main osprey]

like

[sterile portal]

which i took immediately

[main osprey]

1 blood is worth 1000 gem

[sterile portal]

Throw it in feedback

[main osprey]

it has been

they know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just continuing to laugh at it

[haughty stone]

Remember this dealer isn't exactly fair, it's a very greedy spirit, I wouldn't expect a fair down trade lol

75% taxation though lol

[sterile portal]

On the note of future runs, anyone have any ideas on how to make shield fun?

[haughty stone]

What??? I have a ton of fun with shields, but far my favorite weapon lol

[main osprey]

chaos shield

power shot

[haughty stone]

Chaos shield is great for roomclearing

[main osprey]

get the shot upgrade

then the power shot

[sterile portal]

I find shield pretty slow and boring, even if I try going for a high speed attack/dash attack build

[main osprey]

go crit attack

you can deal over 1500 with a power shot

[sterile portal]

hmm, so like a wide bow sort of thing?

[haughty stone]

and if you want to cause a bit of Chaos yourself, try to force Demeter and Dionysus to get an absurd amount of tick damage

[main osprey]

a bow with more bounce

[haughty stone]

Demeter's Decay and Dionysus' intoxication together can destroy rooms

[sterile portal]

Man, it's times like this where I wish there was a Daedulus Hammer keepsake

[main osprey]

lmao

[sterile portal]

And @haughty stone I love using that combo on the Chiron bow

No I'm not trying to type out that name

[haughty stone]

I don't blame you lol

[sterile portal]

lol

[main osprey]

hello there Y'

[sterile portal]

Alright, time to make the shield, one of my less liked weapons, into bow, my favorite weapon

woo

[haughty stone]

It is I, the living incarnation of the letter Y

[main osprey]

I'm actually dropping off for tonight, I got 2 hours last night and need some sleep. cya'll!!

[haughty stone]

have a good one!

[sterile portal]

Gnight Swan

[haughty stone]

But yeah, the shield has two distinct builds from what I've noticed while playing, either a room clearing with shield toss madness, or absurd crits with bullrush

I love the shield because of how safe it is to play with

And I can completely understand why it can be a bit boring to play

[sterile portal]

I don't know I find the slow blocking into clunky bullrush to feel a little boring

Welp, first thing I got was hammer with Charged Shot

Game loves me

[haughty stone]

Niiiice!

Think I'm gonna nod off right about now, getting late where I am, best of luck with the run!

[sterile portal]

Thanks, gnight Y'

[sudden dagger]

@sterile portal I just had a fun run with chaos shield. Very mobile. Doom attack, Athena dash, and merciful end

The only time I really tanked much was the final boss

Also had Demeter's special, the chill status was very nice

[sterile portal]

I've tried a doom special, merciful end run a couple times, but ended up somewhat frustrated given the lack of synergy in daedalus etc.

trying charged shot now for wide bow fun

[sudden dagger]

Not doom special, doom attack

And the synergy was the quick bull rush

Have fun! The charged shot one was too slow for me, I got killed pretty quick

[sterile portal]

Gotcha, will try the doom build again later

[tough grotto]

Did it again bois

Beat Hades, chaos shield

I'm gonna upload my build here for those who want to see

[stoic thicket]

Getting that first win is the hardest.

[tough grotto]

Definitely

Took me 40+ to beat him the first time and 2 to beat him the 2nd time lol

https://imgur.com/a/S0DTYVN

I'd say this is actually a pretty good shield build

Charged shot is incredibly good

So is Blizzard shot

[main osprey]

nice!

[fair aurora]

is the AR's dash strike really weak? I have +194% (100 from artemis, 94 from chaos) and still do about the same damage per shot as regular attacks

[sterile portal]

Just finished my own charged shot run. It's quite nice as a bow main, but I think I'd want to use a different aspect than Chaos

[dense locust]

@tough grotto The Lil John build

[raw violet]

@fair aurora the benefit of dash strike on rail is that it's a pure firerate increase. So each hit may not be more damage, but it shoots twice in the time you can usually only shoot once

[fair aurora]

makes sense

[steel hazel]

What are the best special boons for Chaos?

[turbid needle]

Is there any way to tell you're going into a fountain chamber before you go in? Does changing it with fated authority change whether it's a fountain chamber or not?

[polar sinew]

p.s. eff the explosive shot for the bow

oops, apologies

I hate that thing, lol

especially when RNG is not in your favor

[untold vortex]

None that I'm aware of atm Radeon, though it would be nice to know ayy

[hushed ledge]

how do rush kick and demeter aspect work together?

wait nvm there's explosive upper

[turbid needle]

Sometimes I waste dice rolls to try and get some darkness for regen, only for it to end up a fountain chamber

So I was hoping to avoid that

[unkempt pagoda]

rush kick is treated the same as any other demeter aspect special (extra attacks after 12 hits)

[cunning urchin]

If you look for the "Rush Demeter" row, you can compare some damage numbers on it with different boons. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RhgbgEQ2PvrBskk7tw6RXsR8hzRQuG89W9moUruf-fA/edit?usp=sharing

[tepid trail]

what are some boons that go along with aspect of guan yu?

[dry ember]

Deadly Flourish

And Charged Skewer

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis is always top tier

[dry ember]

The rest can be whatev

[tepid trail]

hmm okay i guess ill go with an artemis keepsake

[unkempt pagoda]

for other builds, a spin build plus athena attack makes a great offensive and defensive style

[tepid trail]

well alright

[unkempt pagoda]

since guan yu has a higher base attack damage, serrated jab is exceptionally strong on it (though the risky shorter dash is made more dangerous due to the hp debuff)

[tepid trail]

hmm alright

[dry ember]

@livid dew https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715642851966320770/20200528140731_1.jpg

Not my run

This belongs to Tailesque

You can ask him for more info.

[naive tusk]

Doggo being ethical 👍

[dry ember]

Credit where credit is due.

[livid dew]

thanks!!

do you guys recommend aphrodite or artemtis for an excalibur 32 heat run

[naive tusk]

Aphrodite for extra survivability and versatility 👍

[dry ember]

I used Aphrodite and died to Hades at 32

Fwiw

[raw violet]

You could probably do either. Neither are too dependent on getting additional boons

Aphro can get you more utility boons

[livid dew]

so i personally always use privileged status over family favorite. is family favorite better or is that just a preference

[raw violet]

Artemis can take advantage of chaos boons better

Family favorite is situationally better

Only in the sense that if you have a build you can’t keep up two curses, then it’s a wasted mirror ability

Artemis-centric runs come to mind as benefiting from family favorites more often

[livid dew]

i guess that is fair cause i usually go for two curse effects but you can't guarantee it.

im planning to do an aphro run right now with family on. any other recommendations for god items? athena for dash is what im most likely gonna do for 2nd level

[raw violet]

If you have Athena dash and get exposed you should be able to proc priv status regularly

But you gotta roll that rng

Your mileage is also gonna vary pretty hard at 32 heat pending on your pact set up

[naive tusk]

Yay for Spent Spirit chance 💛

God items you mean boons? If so, Life Affirmation, Sweet Surrender, Broken Resolve from Aphrodite will help you a lot. From Athena, Bronze Skin

From Hermes... that depends on your playstyle hehe

[cunning urchin]

I still stand firm on Heartbreak Flourish being uncontested BiS for Excalibur.

[naive tusk]

You meant Drunken Flourish 🍷

[raw violet]

I did most of my sword runs with heartbreak flourish so I can’t argue

[cunning urchin]

No, I did not mean does-no-damage Flourish.

[naive tusk]

Heartbreak Flourish is pretty solid for Stygius' Special 👍

[livid dew]

i ended up dying on elysium T-T

and no i meant the god items that increase the chances of getting a god boon of a specific type. like the owl pendant for athena and so on

[untold vortex]

[wintry condor]

my special isn't changing after purchasing the upgrade o.O

magnetic cutter specifically

it did it last time I played but I saved and quit in the weapons room and undid that and now its just not working

ive been re-loading and its happened across multiple 2nd weapon skills

[raw violet]

The game doesn’t save til you switch screens so if you buy a new aspect and immediately quit, it reverts

That being said you’re also sure you’re equipping them?

[livid dew]

how good is cursed slash in 32 heat

cause i use it around 16 to 20 heat but 32 heat is pretty intense and ive currently got a pretty taken build atm

dang i keep losing to thesus on 32 heat T-T

[turbid needle]

If your pact setup has maxed out damage, uh be careful with Cursed slash lol

Otherwise it's fine

[turbid needle]

dang i keep losing to thesus on 32 heat T-T
@livid dew I feel ya

He and Asterius on golden armors are too OP

[livid dew]

i did the pact setup that foxhope linked. that setup has got me to my farthest. im either just gonna go back to lower heats and slowly go 1 by 1 until i actually reach 32 heat or just gonan brute force and repeat 32 heat until it works lol

[turbid needle]

I'm trying the second strat lol

[livid dew]

yeah the first strat is probably best strat but 2nd strat all the way baby

[turbid needle]

The build Foxhope linked looks solid indeed

Gotta try it

[cunning urchin]

If you want to practice for 32 heat, practice 32 heat.

[turbid needle]

Yeah. Guess there's no other way

Yeah it's gonna take a while

Trust me on this LOL

But it's always the first clear that's the hardest

Also starting to streak on 32 heat, somehow https://gyazo.com/23e863569bcab44621a886f19a0c848e

[graceful smelt]

guys, does nourished soul ( demeter boon that makes healing more potent ) work with guan yu heal?

[lament coral]

nope

nothing amplifies GY's heal

[tough grotto]

Is Guan Yu even worth it? The health reduction is brutal

[turbid needle]

Guan Yu is awesome. Maybe the aspect i used the most

If it's upgraded to max, the health reduction is 50%. It's doable

But i guess it can be pretty hard on very high heat

[tough grotto]

It's 70% at level 1 so not gonna use it anytime soon. Does it have high damage or something? Like, a glass cannon type of deal

[turbid needle]

Well, the charged attack can heal you, so you often leave rooms at max health if you get used to the moveset

[lament coral]

it's the best spear aspect, but the lvl 1 is quite punishing. You wanna max it out before taking it.

[turbid needle]

And the Special is an explosive one-way spear throw that can be awesome with the right builds, like Artemis

The charged attack is a bit slow, like any spear charged attack, but if you manage to get a boon that decrease the charge time and the hammer that amplifies the damage area, it's a beast

[tough grotto]

Yeah that makes sense

Thanks

[turbid needle]

Np!

[turbid arch]

Guan Yu aspect can also heal you even if the healing penalty from the pact is active.

[turbid needle]

Indeed

[tough grotto]

Does it beat Hades aspect? The dmg increase is pretty big

[lament coral]

absolutely

[turbid needle]

To me, it beats all the other aspects

[lament coral]

the spin shreds enemies

[turbid arch]

I haven't played Hades in a hot while.

The damage increase is juicy.

[turbid needle]

But Hades aspect is pretty good as well

[lament coral]

and if you put Athena attack on it, it also continuously deflects

[turbid arch]

I remember that I used to do a semi-high heated run way back when with Hades aspect and explosive launcher.

Apply the damage buff with a swing and then throw high damage rockets at enemies from a safe distance

[floral maple]

guan yu with athena attack is fun

invalidates projectiles

[turbid needle]

Guan Yu used to be even more OP because it completely ignored obstacles lol But SGG changed it

[lament coral]

that was just busted, blasting enemies through walls

[turbid needle]

Yeah

Styx was a joke

[lament coral]

you can still do some cool things with the bounce though

[tough grotto]

Styx is already pretty easy with any big AoE ability

[cursive wing]

But Hades aspect is pretty good as well
@turbid needle which boons and hammers do you look for with Hades?

[tough grotto]

Spin charge time decrease and explosive special, most likely

Artemis special build, maybe athena attack

[turbid needle]

Yeah, exactly

[tough grotto]

that kind of thing

[turbid needle]

Something that enhances the already big damage boost and the charge time decrease and you're good to go

[tough grotto]

What's the best aspect for Blade?

[turbid needle]

Arthur, imo

But it's also very tricky because of the slow moveset

[floral maple]

arthur is definitely my favourite

[turbid needle]

It gets pretty OP with Attack boon from Hermes

[turbid arch]

I would say that Arthur and Poseidon are about equal in strength, but Poseidon needs a bit more work to make it amazing.

Nemesis is also strong, but I feel like she is a little less interesting since Excalibur exists

Zagreus exists.

[tough grotto]

Poseidon with a cast build sounds pretty nice ngl

[turbid arch]

It is.

[turbid needle]

Poseidon is more friendly for beginners in general, and also very strong, but Arthur has the HP upgrade and very high damage output

[turbid arch]

Even if you have a cast that can't get stuck in enemies, you still get 50% extra cast damage always.

[turbid needle]

Also a pretty nice moveset, the aura that disable traps, slow downs enemies and lower their damage

[tough grotto]

The first time I beat Hades it was with a Scintillating Feast + Ice Wine + Cold Fusion build

So poseidon sounds right up my alley

[turbid needle]

Awesome build

[turbid arch]

Scintilating Wine is always a blessing.

Blizzard Sea Storm Shot too

[tough grotto]

Yeah, had a lot of luck pulling that build off

Oh yeah Blizzard Cast saved my ass the 2nd time around

[turbid needle]

The cast aspect on Bow(i forgot the name lol) is awesome too

[turbid arch]

Those two duo-duos are pretty much the non-plus ultra when it comes to amazing cast synergies

I feel like Hera is very wasted on casts that do not dislodge though.

Although, I forgot what it does to the recharge time with Stygian Soul

Need to double check that

[turbid needle]

Yeah, there are certain casts that don't really favor it

[turbid arch]

I can't stop handing it to Demeter.

[turbid needle]

I like Dio cast on it. Pretty strong

[turbid arch]

She made the game so much more exciting just by being there.

The best boons and the best duo boons

And Crystal Clarity.

[tough grotto]

I never know what build to go with when using Bow. I guess Artemis is always a safe bet for any weapon, but what do you guys use?

[turbid needle]

Demeter has incredible boons. Love them

[tough grotto]

Yeah def some of the best duo boons

[turbid arch]

Artemis is usually the easy way to go with the Bow.

Zagreus Aspect + Artemis Attack and Dash, you have a run.

[cursive wing]

what should I look for the attack slot for chaos shield?

Do the Athena attack boons work well?

[wide plover]

I like getting some debuff to make it easier to get privileged status

athena seems pointless since your charge already blocks everything

and deflecting enemies to death is a questionable strategy

[gusty ermine]

Guys best 24 heat run ? What should I pick ?

[cursive wing]

The challenge is that I want athena for Merciful End, which I think would work well, no?

[wide plover]

in that case sure

[cursive wing]

and that's when Athena starts giving me random stuff and not the duo 😄

The chance to get the duo is random right? (if you have both god's boons)

(with the exclusion of the mirror upgrades for duo...)

and follow up question, can you have two duos?

[wide plover]

yes, you can have any amount of duo boons you qualify for. Regarding the probability, I don't know the math. I only heard that gods always offer at least one of their "core" boons (attack/special/dash/cast/call) if you have free slots

[hushed ledge]

the more I start to understand spear the more fun it's getting

Zag aspect is clicking really well with me

just poking safely from a distance

[tough grotto]

I don't really like the spear, just can't reach high damage with it or use it effectively

[wide plover]

you should check out some streamers using it, they have no problems with damage

[tough grotto]

How do they build it? I just can't

[wide plover]

guan yu and special/spin damage, zag with special damage, achilles cast builds

I'm not using spear much myself, but I've seen Haelian and DeGrand use it effectively on high heat, so you can check out their youtube channels and see for yourself

[hushed ledge]

I'm not very good at the spear, but I play it very defensively. Your range is the very tip of the black mark that you make when you strike.

It's probably 30% longer than you think

Play as if you always have the upgrade that makes you deal more damage at long range imo

[dry ember]

Some combos that works for me so far:
Guan Yu: Deadly Flourish and if possibly, Charged Skewer. Just spam special. I rarely do the spin attack. Also not my original idea. Something I learned from this server, but can confirm work really well.

Hades: Hunter Dash with Serrated Edge. Use Punishing Sweep and spam dash strike. Pretty self explanatory

[hushed ledge]

I don't have maxed Guan so I don't play it really. I think special is just an incredibly strong tool in general though

[tough grotto]

I'll just go ahead and use lv.1 Guan Yu I don't even care lez go

[narrow halo]

I have aspect of hades lvl 4 i do the same combo but with extended strike upgrades

[hushed ledge]

I maxed Zag aspect on a whim because none of the other aspects appeal to me

[tough grotto]

Zag aspect sounds boring

Hades >

[hushed ledge]

The other two base aspects both want you to go in, which isn't how I play spear

Hades means you aren't abusing the biggest advantage of the spear imo

[narrow halo]

Zag spear and fists upgrades as good as the other upgrades on those weapons

[hushed ledge]

Demeter fists are kinda absurd tbh

[narrow halo]

Not that much tbh

[true pilot]

Zag bow is also on par with the other two.

[hushed ledge]

A lot of the Zag aspects aren't too bad tbh

[narrow halo]

You will spend most time actually attacking so if you instead fucos on powering up the attack you will get more dps

[hushed ledge]

The burst from upper means you can play safer imo

Fists already have plenty of dps

But being able to just nuke a threat is a huge boon

[narrow halo]

But in terms of safety other weapons are far better

[hushed ledge]

Yes

But you still want to be safe

If you don't die you win

[narrow halo]

Yup

[hushed ledge]

I'm very much a slow campy low risk player

[narrow halo]

But the rail 150 shot can do the same

Especially if it a crits build

[hushed ledge]

I'll run around in the Theseus fight for 5 minutes just poking him down with spear special

Demeter upper is way more than 150

You're looking at like 360 base I think?

[narrow halo]

Yeah

But how many shots can you pull off in that time of gaining 12 punch

[hushed ledge]

You're still dpsing for those punches

[narrow halo]

Yeah that’s right

[hushed ledge]

Demeter isn't a one-trick, you still have the rest of the utility of fists

[narrow halo]

Yeah and the stun lock

[hushed ledge]

Most weapons have one of those tbf

[tough grotto]

Shotgun Rail upgrade is pretty insane

[narrow halo]

With the deflect strike and dash strike on combo end fists are superior in stunlocking

[tough grotto]

Get artemis dash and a good attack and you're pretty set

[hushed ledge]

Upper is one of the best meaty options in the game, the low commitment on attacks allows you to punish things that usually would be unpunishable

To be fair, deflect on fists is absurd without the hammer and with the hammer is just a win

That's just straight up a win condition

[narrow halo]

Yes I forget artemis dash on rails

[tough grotto]

I'm more of a dash-in-and-hit-them-hard type of player

Except I also get hit often so there's that

[narrow halo]

I miss this game

I haven’t played for 3 days

[hushed ledge]

I basically try to play safely

Play at the end of my threat range usually

[narrow halo]

Before i was like you

[tough grotto]

You need dat close combat excitement boi

[hushed ledge]

Oh I do get it

But it's controlled close combat

I go in with a plan

[narrow halo]

But once I started playing riskier I enjoyed the feedback

[hushed ledge]

"they did X, I'm going to go in, do Y and react to their next option and do Z"

[tough grotto]

Nono you gotta go reckless close combat

Spam dash and hit them

[hushed ledge]

That's how I die

Noooo

[tough grotto]

It just works

[hushed ledge]

I instantly got better when I stopped spamming dash

[narrow halo]

You will adapt somehow

[tough grotto]

Haven't gotten to that part yet

The delay between consecutive dashes is too small not to spam them

[hushed ledge]

Yeah

But between pairs

[tough grotto]

The more dash you spam the more I-frames you have

[hushed ledge]

It's a longer delay

Which is when you get hit

[tough grotto]

Between pairs, that's what I mean

It's almost nothing

[hushed ledge]

You don't need i frames if theres no hitboxes out

[tough grotto]

It's spammable

I mean sure

But more often than not there will be one

[narrow halo]

I think the less you wait for enemies to react the more you win in this game

[hushed ledge]

I often agree

If you can't stay a consistently safe range you have to aggressively target enemies

[tough grotto]

You gotta kill them before they hit

[narrow halo]

Because the main consept is we give you hell but we also give you the ability to cuse hell

[hushed ledge]

But even then target prioritisation and positioning is key to getting those key targets down

[tough grotto]

Especially in elysium

That means being extremely aggressive

I run around sometimes but waiting for them to attack and then react is too risky

Outdps'ing them is the way

[hushed ledge]

I don't like being overly aggressive when Elysium has so many enemies that punish you for being on them

[tough grotto]

It has even more that punish you from staying far away

[hushed ledge]

Not really

[tough grotto]

Any of the Exalted can use ranged attacks

[hushed ledge]

Those are all incredibly reactable

It's just butterfly orbs

[narrow halo]

I was dying a lot earlier because I was a league of legends player but I started enjoying it more when play it like devil may cry

[tough grotto]

The only ones you gotta kinda stay away from are the chariots and butterfly things

[hushed ledge]

Butterflies I generally try to kill before anything else

So I'm the opposite of you

[tough grotto]

Same

[hushed ledge]

I just enjoy winning

[tough grotto]

They get annoying very quick

[hushed ledge]

And playing well

Ye, I play incredibly aggressive to clear them

[tough grotto]

Ay chief I win too

[hushed ledge]

Yesh

*yeah

But I do what works for me :)

[narrow halo]

Deflect dash can remove the wheels threat entirely

[tough grotto]

Sure whatever floats your boat

[hushed ledge]

If it means I'm at 32 minutes after thesues then so be it

[narrow halo]

😂

[tough grotto]

Damn I'm at 32 minutes after hades

[hushed ledge]

I got a PB of like 25 mins with fists earlier

But 40 minute+ runs aren't uncommon

Because I'll take my time cleaning up a room

Not for everyone

But I enjoy the strategic gameplay more than a purely reactions one imo

[untold vortex]

if I'm not playing with Tight Deadline I'll take the time to clean up rooms otherwise I can't really do that

[hushed ledge]

Yeah tight deadline seems terrifying

[neon fiber]

Butterflies are not that much of an issue if you focus your fire on them

[hushed ledge]

They control a lot of space if you don't focus them

[neon fiber]

It’s going to be very messy if there’s more than one in different directions though

[hushed ledge]

So you have to focus them

[neon fiber]

Pretty much
Butterflies ought to be your top priority if they pop out

Otherwise you’ll have to watch out for way too many things at once

[hushed ledge]

Yeah

Just take as much space as possible

Know where you can go next

And you're good

[tough grotto]

Thankfully they don't do much dmg though

And you can dash right through the butterflies

Tight deadline gives you like 7min to clear a room right

[hushed ledge]

Zone but ye

9 at rank one iirc

[tough grotto]

9min per zone?

[hushed ledge]

I believe so

[tough grotto]

Sounds like a nightmare

[hushed ledge]

Per room would be easy

[tough grotto]

I'm aggressive but not that quick

Yeah that's what I thought

Does it include boss fights

[turbid needle]

Tight Deadline is only a nightmare if applied together with too much Jury Summons, or if the enemies are too tanky, etc. But it's actually very doable in some situations

Does it include boss fights
@tough grotto It does

And you need some good strategy, of course, like avoiding mini bosses or difficult encounters when it's worthy, because these rooms take longer than normal

[formal basin]

Any advice for using the bow at ~25 or 26 heat? I don't ever feel like I can take anything down quickly and certain combinations on elites are just a nightmare. I've had the most success with builds based around Dio, but those take so long to kill that I can't beat the clock by elysium.

[dry ember]

Which aspect?

[formal basin]

I've tried them all.

I just don't do well with the bow once it's up this high.

[dry ember]

So bow needs a good hammer upgrade to reliably clear that high up

I'm mainly talking about Zag Bow

[tough grotto]

It isn't a great weapon to begin with

[dry ember]

Since that's what I used for high heat

Hunter Dash

Heartbreak Strike

[formal basin]

So a sniper build basically.

[dry ember]

Deadly Strike etc is my go to

Yeah but don't pick Sniper Shot

Chain Shot Triple Shot Twin Shot

Those 3 are the ones you should look for, and tbh, I feel like you NEED them at that high heat.

[tough grotto]

Wait can't you only get 2 upgrades

[dry ember]

2 out of 3

You can't have both Twin And Triple anyway

[formal basin]

Chain shot feels so important in general just because you can shoot past obstacles with it.

[dry ember]

Yeah.

I do think if you get bad hammer boons

It's gonna be tough...

[formal basin]

Ok, I'll give that build a go. I wasn't using hunter dash when I tried it, which definitely makes a difference.

[tough grotto]

Can't you try Chiron bow

Or maybe just use a cast build

[formal basin]

I've tried them all.

[dry ember]

Yeah epic Hunter is 100% bonus

[tough grotto]

Go cast bro

[dry ember]

And if you use bow

[tough grotto]

If you don't like the weapon, cast builds are the way to go

[dry ember]

Basically you use dash strike all the time

[formal basin]

It's not that I don't like the weapon. It's just that I don't think it's good enough for high heat.

[dry ember]

I've done Hera at 23

[formal basin]

If I didn't like the playstyle, I wouldn't be trying with it.

[dry ember]

It's OK.

I made it at 32 with Zag bow.

[formal basin]

I've done chiron at 25, but that took a lot of luck and good RNG.

[tough grotto]

True legends can make it to 50+

[dry ember]

Lol I'm retiring when I get all weapons to 32

I'm 4/6 now.

32+ is prob not happening

[tough grotto]

I stand proudly at heat 0 oh yeah

Still getting all the weps through it

Only shield and fist for now

Both relied on casts

[dry ember]

1st clear is the hardest

I think there is a mental block for the first clear

When that block is gone

[tough grotto]

Nah, you're just kinda getting used to the game

[dry ember]

You improve fast

[tough grotto]

But yeah there's also a block

[dry ember]

Yeah not even that but also going for high heat

[tough grotto]

Took me 43 (?) runs for 1st clear and 2 runs for 2nd clear lol

[dry ember]

When I started I was at 42 ish runs to escape

Then made it to 16 heat like 10 ish runs after

[tough grotto]

Bruh

I'm gonna take my time with the heat levels

[neon fiber]

Brah

[tough grotto]

Gonna get like every bounty with every weapon per heat level

Or until I get tired of playing

[neon fiber]

Also heat is not as scary as it sounds, each pact of punishment upgrade is a small modifier in most cases
It’s when they all stack at high heat levels that stuff gets spooky

[narrow halo]

How can you not get bored with the game playing that much ?

[tough grotto]

I mean there's no real point to get to such high heat levels anyway since you're in for the bounties

So unless I wanna do a challenge run, why would I do it y'know

[narrow halo]

The reason i keep playing is trying different builds

[tough grotto]

I'm a completionist so I wanna max out every aspect and do most quests

[still ocean]

same haha

[dry ember]

I think there is something new with using a combination of Tight Deadline, Benefit Package, Extreme Measure, Forced Overtime, etc.

The game does feel different with those options on

But to each their own

[tough grotto]

Sure, there's that too

But to me it comes after I get bored of regular play, which isn't happening anytime soon I hope

[stoic thicket]

Did it the same as you, successively increased the heat and just doing the bounties. Almost done with the weapon aspects, one regular and three Zag aspects are all that's missing.

[formal basin]

@dry ember First run really trying that kind of Zag bow build wasn't bad. I got everything I wanted...except any attack boon until Hydra. I feel like if I hadn't gotten screwed out of that it would've gone much better.

[dry ember]

Hope it helped.

[formal basin]

I think it will. With just hunter dash and chain shot it was going pretty well.

[tough grotto]

Why hunter dash though?

[formal basin]

100% damage on crit builds make you hit really hard

[dry ember]

With Zag Bow you almost exclusively use Dash Strike for power shotting

And Epic Hunter Dash is +100% damage

[tepid trail]

is the bow actually good? i havent tried it in my 50 runs

[tough grotto]

Not really

Kinda

[dry ember]

Bow is my most used weapon so I'm obvious bias

It's reliant on a good Hammer boon

That's the biggest weakness

[tepid trail]

which hammer boons are good for the bow?

[tough grotto]

Bow is worse AR change my mind

[dry ember]

Ok Hera is excluded here

But Twin Shot Triple Shot Chain Shot

For Zag

Relentless Volley for Chiron

[tepid trail]

for hera?

[dry ember]

Hera can use Twin Triple Chain like Zag

But not as effective

[tepid trail]

hello you might be wondering what i had typed here

[dry ember]

Typo

Fixed

Hera is less hammer reliant

But I find it to actually need more requirements to be good.

[tepid trail]

hmm okay

im gonna try it now

thanks for the tip !

[dry ember]

Gl hope it helps

[tepid trail]

oh yeah

i forgot

what boons are good for the bow?

[tough grotto]

Artemis

[hasty minnow]

Anyone who says bow is good, do you play on controller or keyboard?

I've only played with controller and it's the absolute worst with the bow

[tepid trail]

well uh try what foxhope said

[earnest ravine]

I play on controller, and I really like it.

[tough grotto]

same

[earnest ravine]

I turned off auto aim as soon as I realized it was an option and found it a lot smoother, but I'm also like, really used to snap aiming in other games.

[tough grotto]

Auto aim helps quite a bit imo

[tepid trail]

woah

i just realised i can turn off auto aim

[earnest ravine]

I guess it varies on how you like to do it? Like I said, I'm used to snapping my stick in a direction for shots from playing other stuff, which affects how I play in general.

And auto aim sometimes would disagree with me on what I was aiming for

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it matters much at high skill level for clearing most heat. Maybe somewhere north of 32, but practice would still be the bigger factor overall.

[turbid arch]

It also depends on the player.

I found that Bow and Rail with the aim assist are so much nicer to play

Did not notice a particular change in gameplay for melee weapons though.

[tepid trail]

you guys are using heat?

[earnest ravine]

Yeah. Personal preference sort of stuff! It's nice.

Yup!

[turbid arch]

At this point, it feels more like heat is using me .___.

[earnest ravine]

I don't go above 20 as a rule unless I'm trying for 32s, though.

[tepid trail]

im using 2 heat on runs

[turbid needle]

I don't go above 20 as a rule unless I'm trying for 32s, though.
@earnest ravine Same

[hasty minnow]

I've just managed to finish my 8 heat run and felt so proud

[earnest ravine]

NICE!

[turbid arch]

One thing about heat about which the game is very deceptive:

[tepid trail]

havent finished any runs with heat on

[turbid arch]

You think that increasing your heat gradually is a linear increase in difficulty.

Not so.

It increases the difficulty exponentioally, especially the more heat you invest.

[cunning urchin]

That's what I mean by practice. If you're more experienced/practiced with KBM over pad or aim-assist over no aim-assist, then that will just be the better choice for you regardless of what might be the best choice for people on average. Like @earnest ravine learning to deal with aim-assist is probably not worth it when they can just turn it off and play like they're used to.

[earnest ravine]

^

[turbid needle]

Yeah, the difficulty increment is based on which punishments are active together, mostly

[turbid arch]

Yeah.

15% extra HP on enemies does not so bad, neither does 30%

Pair that up with 20% more enemies though?

Thats when trouble starts.

[turbid needle]

That's why 32 runs feel like an even worse version of playing the game for the first time lol

[hasty minnow]

I feel like there are punishments that directly affect gameplay and ones that are like minor inconviniences (like convienience fee or underworld customs), better to start with those

[turbid arch]

Convenience Fee and Underworld Customs are major inconveniences to me.

Diminishing the worth of money by that big of an amount is brutal because it limits the amount of strength and/or regeneration you can purchase for it.

[earnest ravine]

There's also the method of turning off other modifiers as you go up on heat. Like EM 1, then Jury Summons, then turning those off to practise FO, and then looping them up so you get more used to it.

[turbid arch]

Underworld Customs can also royally screw you.

[hasty minnow]

I think I've had convience fee on every time I went with heat

[turbid needle]

I feel like there are punishments that directly affect gameplay and ones that are like minor inconviniences (like convienience fee or underworld customs), better to start with those
@hasty minnow I think that depends. I hate the punishments that impact my choices

[earnest ravine]

It feels more like, gradual that way,, imo.

[turbid arch]

It is the go-to heat option for most people.

It does not make the game itself harder, just money and shops become less attractive.

But again, this becomes way more hurt and impactful once other heated options come into place.

[turbid needle]

Yeah

[hasty minnow]

I have my two fave boons that I would never give up under any circumstance, other than that, the rest can go lmao

[turbid arch]

Not being able to buy a boon or a DD because you're broke

Then needing to sell something off from the well between floors

[tough grotto]

What are your fave boons

[turbid arch]

then having to suffer from not having as much power because of that against sturdy and strong enemies

[hasty minnow]

Athena's dash and demeters crystal cast

[turbid needle]

Not being able to choose boons or having to sacrifice a boon at the end of a biome can really destroy your build when you're facing tougher, more damaging and numerous enemies

[tepid trail]

support fire artemis and demeter attack buff

[turbid arch]

It all keeps escalating on you and you have to make all the smart choices unless you want the game to outscale you

[tough grotto]

That's why you farm the hell out of lower heat levels for dem bounties

Why demeter's crystal cast though

[turbid arch]

I do not exactly have favorite boons, but I love almost everything Dionysus and Demeter offer.

[tough grotto]

Plus their duos are op af

[turbid arch]

The two of them are easily my favorite gods in the game, both together and independendly

[hasty minnow]

I can just pop it down and it does damage without me having to do anything

Why demeter's crystal cast though
@tough grotto

[tepid trail]

i've never used demeter and dionysus' duos

[turbid arch]

Change that.

[tepid trail]

is it really THAT good?

[turbid arch]

It will be a whole new world for you.

[earnest ravine]

Ice Wine???

[turbid needle]

is it really THAT good?
@tepid trail A lot

[tough grotto]

So uh

[earnest ravine]

It's the most powerful cast buff in the game

[tough grotto]

Like every other cast then?

Every demeter duo is like godly

[neon fiber]

ice wine? thing can be nuts, especially if you combo it with scintillating feast

[turbid arch]

Ice Wine, Scintillating Feast and Blizzard Shot are by far the strongest cast related duo boons in the game.

[earnest ravine]

it does SO much damage

[turbid arch]

Maybe even just THE strongest duo boons in the game

[tough grotto]

I miss my Scintillating Feast + Ice wine + Cold fusion run

Blizzard Shot is insane

[turbid arch]

While I do love Demeter and Dionysus. Zeus deserves a lot of credit because he is an amazing support, an amazing Wing Man.

No matter what god you bring, Zeus has some amazing Duo Boon to really make your build pop.

[turbid needle]

Which one is Blizzard Shot again? Forgot

[turbid arch]

Unless you are Aphrodite. No Duo Love for the goddess of love.

[tough grotto]

Poseidon Cast + Demeter

[turbid arch]

^

[turbid needle]

Poseidon Cast + Demeter
@tough grotto wow, this one is amazing. Had it only once or twice. A beast

[tough grotto]

Throws slow moving projectiles that deal 4 digit damage over time

Sorry bot

Gud stuff

[turbid needle]

I really punished Hades with this one

[tepid trail]

@tough grotto wow, this one is amazing. Had it only once or twice. A beast
@turbid needle welp i personally dont like the duo

[turbid arch]

I would say that Blizzard Shot by itself is stronger than both Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine individually. But Iced Wine and Scint Feast together is the most fun I can have without having to go out and meet people.

[tough grotto]

I'm only missing aphrodite's duos for the prophecy oof

[tepid trail]

maybe im just in the minority

[turbid arch]

Aphrodite does not really have that exciting duo boons surprisingly.

The only one I truly like and think is noteworthy is the one with Dio

It is one of the reasons why I rate her lower than Demeter and Dionysus

[turbid needle]

maybe im just in the minority
@tepid trail Nah. The thing about Hades is it offers a lot of options and some suit your style, some don't.

[turbid arch]

The only thing I hate about trying to go for these super strong duo cast runs is

Ares suddenly popping in and being like "This run is about me now."

[tough grotto]

Well at least Hunting Blades (?) is still nice

[turbid arch]

Overrated.

[tough grotto]

But nice

[turbid arch]

You are free to call me biased, but Hunting Blades is A: Not worth the risk of investment

and not as strong as its reputation.

[tough grotto]

It's not insane or anything but it's good

There isn't much risk investment too, wym

[turbid needle]

Ares is a funny thing. It went from being of my favorite gods to be one i consider a little meh

[turbid arch]

You have to pick up Slicing Shot.

It is one of the most mediocre casts in the game by itself. That is a risk.

if you do not get Slicing shot and/or vicious cycle

you hurt yourself more than you helped.

[tough grotto]

Sure, but unless you really NEED to cast

It isn't much trouble not to use it

[earnest ravine]

Fully buffed blaade rifts is super nice if you also put it on something else.

[turbid arch]

I do always cast because I want the extra damage from having the cast and/or the flinch and/or the debuff for extra damage on my weapons.

[earnest ravine]

So like, if you get the cast and the dash? It pays in spades.

[turbid arch]

I pick up Slicing Shot, I lose my on demand flinch and the extra damage

Yes, but you also have to compare on what you lose out in comparison.

You need 2-3 boons that Ares Blade Rift abilities are not useless.

Other gods can give you a win for 2-3 boons.

[earnest ravine]

It is however, Very Fun playing "will it blend" in Elysium and Styx.

[tough grotto]

Sometimes you gotta use what you're dealt

[turbid arch]

Don't get me wrong, if I see Ares

I go and see him in most cases, like the man I am

but I will complain and whine about it all the while I am doing so

like the manchild I am

[earnest ravine]

It's also one of the few casts that works really well with Lightning rod, especially if you have the Artemis duo.

[turbid arch]

I sadly do not see Lightning Rod as often because I usually go for the recharging cast stones

[tough grotto]

Lightning Rod isn't that impressive

[turbid arch]

It is very good.

[earnest ravine]

I actually recorded one of my Styx run I had with it like, back in March, and it was really fun

[turbid arch]

One of my favorite duo boons in the game.

Very strong, very useful, very fun to play around with.

[tough grotto]

All you need in Styx is good AoE tbh

[turbid arch]

I go on record and say that we need more boons like Lightning Rod

[earnest ravine]

I realyl don't care for it in pretty much any scenario BUT with Slicing Shot and ocassionally Demeter's.

[tough grotto]

Trippy Shot?

Also, it isn't THAT strong

[turbid arch]

Trippy Shot is a weird case.

It is technicly in the same lane as Ares and Demeter cast

But it is still better than them on so many levels.

You get all the damage in one quick burst and it is in a big AOE, making it nice and easy to use.

You do not lose out on your flinches, in fact, you gain even more because enemies in the clouds get constantly flinched, making it an insane crowd control tool

[tough grotto]

Dionysus is overpowered

[turbid arch]

And then there is of course the potencial to improve upon it with Iced Wine, Scintillating Feast and/or just Dionysus Legendary.

Dionysus is the best god in the game together with Demeter.

The two of them are S Tier Gods

[tough grotto]

Getting duos is honestly far easier than getting legendaries

[dry ember]

https://imgur.com/a3zQEsx

[tepid ridge]

I still think Artemis has the most powerful stand-alone boons in the game. Yea, legendaries are in a weird spot rn

[dry ember]

p much the text book zag build

[tough grotto]

Very nice

Had a lot of luck there huh

[turbid arch]

Artemis Attack + Artemis Dash is a run for quite a few weapons.

If Chaos complies and you get decent hammers, even more so.

[tough grotto]

Artemis can also be considered at least A tier because her boons work with so many builds

[turbid arch]

Strangely, I feel like Artemis can also just as easily make a mess out of a build because she has such a big boon pool that getting what you want out of her can be hard at times

See that is where I disagree. I do not think that Artemis fits as nicely into builds as Zeus does for example.

[dry ember]

Shield and Fists probably doesn't use Arty main boon as good as others

[turbid arch]

Spear can also be awkward at times.

[tepid trail]

hey fox i havent gotten anything good out of hammer what should i do

[dry ember]

But picking Arty is usually never wrong

Where u at?

[tepid trail]

im at hydra rn

[dry ember]

Ok finish Hydra

[turbid arch]

There are plenty runs where I do not want Artemis on my main moves for various reasons.

[tepid trail]

alrighgt

[dry ember]

Find Hammer in Elysium

If no good hammer then ... Idk

Haha

Like I said, if both hammers scew you then it's rough

Doable

But you probably won't feel to good

[tepid trail]

oh my god

my shotgun build just absolutely destroyed hydra

[dry ember]

Huh with charged shot?

[tepid trail]

hmm alright ill try to find hammer

yeah charged shot

[dry ember]

Yeah that works too

I totally forgot about that

[tepid trail]

support fire + urge to kill + poseidon attack buff

[dry ember]

You can detour to a charged shot build if you special is good

A bit risky since point blank

[tepid trail]

hmm alright ill try to find a good hammer then if i dont ill prob stick to my special

[dry ember]

Improvise
Adapt
Overcome

[neon fiber]

you forgot

Give all wordly posessions to Dusa

very important step too

[dry ember]

Everything I had was donated to the Temple of Artemis

Sorry

[peak iron]

Tsundere god best god