#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 511

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:29 AM

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for the post Hades showdown

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Like, Hestia gives you either a one-shot magazine with faster reload, infinite range, or something else that I haven't brainstormed yet.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:29 AM

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please

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Yeah, for the Demeter surprise True Final Boss.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:29 AM

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chargegun for final rail upgrade please

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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you can shoot through wall with hestia

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Bruh.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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rail aspect *

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i want a mega buster

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just saying

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Buster? Buster Sword next weapon? squirtnya

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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we already have arthur

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Gonna have 18 Stygius Aspect DLCs.

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Eris Aspect for Stygius.

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(Goddess of Strife)

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I'm so meta.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I wonder if they are going to keep making new aspects that mess with your health pool

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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It will be a . . . Meta Buster. squirtnya

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Idk what they could even do for shield aspect

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Arthur and Guan Yu so far do that

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Captain America aegis

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I want Mega Man buster for Rail

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:32 AM

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thats what im saying man

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megaman buster

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:33 AM

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oh lol

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just caught that just now

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:33 AM

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LOL

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Megabuster for final rail

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would be super cool

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:33 AM

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you can charge it up

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for a big shot

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:33 AM

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if you squint just right, arthur looks just like ultima weapon = buster sword

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:34 AM

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but Arthur can't split into smaller swords

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:34 AM

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listen, this aint no advent children reference

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we going old school

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Mechanically, isn’t having a charging shot not very different from having manual reload enhance your shot?

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The reload sequence is basically charging

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:35 AM

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yeah I suppose, but like aoe blast

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although that overlaps heavily with the rocket special

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:35 AM

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That’s manual reload plus the hammer that gives your shots aoe

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:36 AM

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yeah what I said

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:36 AM

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No you said the special

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There’s a hammer that makes the basic attacks aoe

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:36 AM

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oh you mean explosive shot

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Yeah

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I suspect Malphon's hidden Aspect will somehow affect Cast.

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The other Malphon aspects don't.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:37 AM

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ok change of plan, how about a rail that absorb the power of whateer it killed last

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Haha, big fists toss shot hard like baseball

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:37 AM

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talos already does that

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Oh, you're right. Forgot about that.

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I haven't messed around with Talos much yet.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Fists best weapon

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Represent

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:38 AM

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talos really synergizes well with hunting blades and bliz shot

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just pull em in and let the casts rip

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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ive been under valuing talos

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i did a bunch of talos runs today

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Talos is my least favorite of the fist aspects, but I still love it

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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asphodel is a breeze

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LMAO

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Im a huge fan of the combo counter one

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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talos is really fun

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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apologies forgot the name

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1:40 am

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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demeter

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Demeter.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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ah right tyty

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I like that talos makes your whole kit valuable

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:39 AM

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If you're feeling like Slicing Shot has issues on its own, try it with Talos.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Many aspects let you just focus on cast/basic/special and ignore the rest

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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do i need to upgrade it?

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i'm kinda low on blood rn

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Uhhh I dont think so its just damage no?

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Talos is really flexible with letting you use all your moves

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Its utility is the same i believe?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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damage bonus is up to 40%

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Yeah

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:41 AM

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can talos pull bosses?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:41 AM

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not as crazy as some, but also not negligible

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:41 AM

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sorry never tried it before

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:41 AM

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It’s pretty weak as far as bonuses go, but the power is in talos being applicable to so many builds

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You’ll never have a dead run, because the aspect can work with everything

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I mean Zag aspect can kinda do the same?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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you underestimate my F tier luck @restive solar

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Tell your luck to git gud

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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i only have good luck streaming

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Yeah fox

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I called the right boon like 3x in a row LOL

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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+40% is plenty if it works well with Slicing Shot.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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but slicing shot doesn't lodge

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Yeah it’s good, it’s just not crazy

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Slicing Shot already has the best damage potential.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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but you can pull enemies into good positions

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Slicing Shot doesn't need to lodge.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:43 AM

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so slicing shot doesn't meander away from what you want

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Or pull additional enemies into a Blade Rift.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:44 AM

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which is the most painful part of any hunting blades run on just about every other aspect

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si

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Oop

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Does the Special pull bosses?

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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^

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I think just barely.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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a gentle nudge

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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About as much as Poseidon pushes them, just so you get the damage bonus.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Ares builds are unreliable imo because you can easily end up being offered doom boons when all you want is blade, and vice versa

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I’m not saying they’re weak, just more luck reliant than usual

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I'm not saying that Ares isn't prone to that, but all the other Olympians are like that, too.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:46 AM

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X to doubt with Art tbh

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Sure.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:46 AM

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but yeah I see your point

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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with arte you can get cast boons

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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the number of times i've gotten a zeus core boon and never offered jolted is too many

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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when you want things like hunter dash or more crit damage

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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All gods are somewhat unreliable, but ares is the most easily

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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i don't think that's neccesarily true

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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He hasn't been in my experience.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:47 AM

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for ares

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cause the trees are seperated

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:48 AM

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the most painful part for zeus is that you need to take storm lightning for the legendary if you use it on fists or rail

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Ares is basically two gods though

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Yeah, that's a little annoying, not being able to use Double Strike or High Voltage.

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Not every Olympian has to follow the same formula.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:48 AM

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if you have slicing shot, you are only ever going to be offered attack or special as doom alternatives

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although i guess you'd still be offered the dash and call

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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It took me over 130 hours of playtime to get the ares legendary because even when I get tons of ares boons on a blade run, they keep offering doom upgrades to me

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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to your point, i suppose

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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I mean lets be fair

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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And that’s even when i have my slots filled

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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forthose 130 hours

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were you -actively- chasing that legendary the whole time

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Hey, I haven't seen Fully Loaded once in my hundred hours since Nighty Night, what's your point?

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:49 AM

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I did a lot of blade rubs my dude

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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right, but lets not judge on feelings

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I've gotten seastorm like

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10 times in 25 runs

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LOL

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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It’s not just feelings, ares is thematically and mechanically two different gods

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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No see thats a different point now

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I agree with you there, I think ares is seperated

main osprey May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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~~Have you tried going with Mars?~~

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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And that's okay.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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xd

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Haha

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I debate whether or not its okay

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my main issue is how bad doom feels internally

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I think bladerift half is great overall

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I think it’s fine, it just makes ares runs less consistent than other gods

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:51 AM

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idk how to quantify that

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do you go by clears?

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success?

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I mean what's the worst build that you have won with?

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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~~full Poseidon~~

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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full po

dry ember May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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lol

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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LOL @turbid needle

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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You don’t just have to luck into getting ares boons on offer, you also have to luck into getting the thematic half of ares that you’re trying for

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Good point about defining consistency

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Even when I couldn’t get the full set of boons I still won

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I don't see how that specifically different than say festive fog and dio @restive solar

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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merciful end is the most consistent ares run

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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^

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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only need one doom boon

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Dionysus does have Black Out.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Fair, but there’s less boons involved in festive fog tree

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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everything else is cherry on top

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I mean impending

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is great

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but yeah

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:53 AM

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cherry on top

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especially if you never see another ares boon, athena has all the utility

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I think the problem with ares is that blade rifts feel so bad without hunting blades

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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potential priv status

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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And there’s no interaction between blades and doom

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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?

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i disagree

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i think bladerifts work without hunting

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theyre just great with

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Yeah, they definitely do.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I didn’t say doesn’t work

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I said feels bad

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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they dont even feel bad

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imo

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theyre genuinely good

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I think doom is the issue imo

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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The most tedious game play

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Agreed.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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dio is a good example of a weird boon tree

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Ares's kit is fine.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Like getting attack doom and special doom

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feels depressing

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Yes

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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thats my main issue

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is how little internal synergy doom has

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Doom as a mechanic is fine though

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:55 AM

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eh

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this is a big factor into it

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soo i cant really agree into it

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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DIonysus Boon Tree is fine though.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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if you want to talk about lack of internal synergies, we probably shouldn't leave out dio

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Pretty much the best, most stream lined yet still multipurpose boon tree in the game.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Yeah Dio is also up there

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admitedly I have alot less exp with him

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cause i just abuse prem vintage and afterparty

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and thats it

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2 very generalistic boons

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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i don't disagree with dio being multipurpose

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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It took me over 130 hours of playtime to get the ares legendary because even when I get tons of ares boons on a blade run, they keep offering doom upgrades to me
He only offers Doom tier 2 boons if you have any core Doom boons, though.

wide plover May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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doom stacks with itself, right? so you can get 10 stacks quickly with rail for example

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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no

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Doom does not stack.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Doom does not stack at all

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Demeter is probably the god I least want to encounter

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Thats the issue

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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How?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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??? Demeter is lit my guy

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Demeter and Dio are the best gods in the game

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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uh

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Art

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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technically doom will stack with dire misfortune

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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but ok

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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With Dire Misfortune you can add additional damage for applying Doom multiple times, but it's really bad damage.

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Artemis and Aphrodite are 1 and 2.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Artemis is overrated.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I like Demeter, I just would rather see anyone else

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Dionysus is a contender for 3.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I mean

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sub 5 minute clear times say otherwise @turbid arch

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point me to another god who can do that

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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dio is mr reliable

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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and I'll believe you

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:57 AM

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That is a testament to Spread Fire being OP

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not Artemis.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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why is Art Dash attack core to that build then?

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Crits are necessary.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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they would simply pick a different god if artemis wasn't good enough to push the time

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Because Spread Fire abuses dash attacks

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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okay so

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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which Artemis just happens to empower.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Art is

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Crits are thereoetically the highest dps arent they?

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Okay, you beat the time with another God and we'll change our tune.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Highest DPS != Best God

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I mean for the top pinnacle play

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Artemis best god because crit damage is insane

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:58 AM

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which is the discussion for "best" god

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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If everything's dead nothing can hurt you.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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shoutouts to styx btw

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Hmm, best god is probably the god you’d want to see most often

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So most consistent god

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Every god can kill things and can kill things reasonably fast. From that point of view, all weapons would be good.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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i still stand by charged skewer is low-key spreadfire

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Artemis is not universally good.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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All weapons are good.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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???

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How is art not universally good

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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There are plenty weapons with which she is not good.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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All weapons are great

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Shield comes to mind.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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touche

restive solar May 25, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Pfffft

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Oh, you don't have enough experience, I get that.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Shield artemis is a blast

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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what even are your parameters for "best god" then

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Zag Aspect, Pulverizing Blow, the other Dash Hammer, Deadly Strike.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Reliability

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Enjoy your easy clear.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Reliability arguement is fair

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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charged shot artemis shield is no joke

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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but reliably Art can one shot everything

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Reliability, offering a lot of good things for as little investment as possible while not being as reliant on certain weapons and set-ups.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Charged Shot/Sudden Rush is terrifying.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:00 AM

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and you think Dio

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is the best

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with those parameters?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Your fancy 5 minute clear took thorough mapping, a specific weapon and not only two artemis boons but also plenty of chaos boons.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Yeah, and Artemis has fantastic kits on every weapon.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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with those parameters, i would agree that dio is the best

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for chaos aspect only

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Nope, Aphrodite.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I thnk aphro is better than Dio

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Huge damage and survivability in one Status Curse.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I think that Aphro is up there with Dio and Demeter

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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for quantifyably the same reasons

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Would artemis’ weakest weapon be rail or am I tripping?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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LOL

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Nah.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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No

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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would pretty much not consider dio a "best god" in a general sense at all personally no

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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but Dio and Demeter offer a few more things that putthem ahead of Aphrodite.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:01 AM

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fastest clear in the game is Art + Rail @restive solar

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Hestia is terrifying, as is Rocket Bombs on Eris.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Ah right

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Spreadfire

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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spreadfire xd

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Also, when Spread Fire is balanced it's still super powerful with Deadly Strike.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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^

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this isnt a specific abuse case

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Art will still be run

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Just not T-Pose Nova busted.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Of course she will be run.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Art will always be run. Amen

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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I do not say that Artemis is bad.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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What is T pose Nova?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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She is just overrated by people who are easy to influence with shiny things.

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T Pose Nova, now that was that good stuff

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Gods are shiny

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Zagreus used to have a different animation for his special.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Old animation, the hitbox came out sooner.

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It couldn't be interrupted.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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He stood still and did a T-Pose.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Ok

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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The cool thing about that is that it came out much faster and was hard to interrupt. With faster specials from Hermes, you couild just spam it.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Current Spread Fire is basically that (same base damage) but with way more damage ups and a much higher rate of fire.

valid warren May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Dropped sword into ground and T posed for dominance

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Best god chaos change my mind

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Get Athena Special and the only thing that could hit you were lasers and some explosions

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@restive solar Chaos has ruined a few too many runs for me with his shenanigans in the past.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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chaos is great for sure

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thats the only contention art really has tbh

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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But to be fair: I played the game when the dash penalty was still a thing.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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If chaos ruined a run, you chose the wrong boon

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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If chaos ruined a run something something dont get hit

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Haha

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I had good chaos runs too. Saw his legendary 2 or 3 times just last week, which was nice.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Idk, Chaos seems to be the most unreliable for me.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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^Thats the point.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I mean naturally

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Unreliability.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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The only time I hate chaos is when I can’t avoid the blind room picking penalty

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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his name -is- chaos

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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The only thing I can think that Dionysus and Demeter offer that would put them above Artemis and Aphrodite (and Demeter's not even in the running, her offense without Duos or specific set-ups is too far behind) is outright healing.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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i use chaos to skip chambers

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anything he offers is a bonus

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Like fish

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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honestly I think this is an arguement that isnt going to get anywhere @turbid needle

primal matrix May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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dio has great dialogue, that's good enough for me >.>

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Its a clear utility vs optimization arguement

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Athena is worth considering

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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It's me, Dio

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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She does off Death Defiances.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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i'f i could offer him all my ambrosia for a fishing spot here and there, i would do it in a heartbeat

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Dio does have great diologue tho

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Dionysus offers good damage, an immediate Debuff, some of the best duo boons in the game, a lot of defensive boons, a lot of boons that help you sustain yourself and/or help you otherwise in your run.

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Deadly Strike only ever wins in DPS when you get other +% damage boons. Has the most potential, though.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Dionysus helped inspire Orpheus to sing again.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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"good damage" please define

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isnt he 4th?

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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The Debuff is only damage.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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yeah so

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like

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good damage is stretch

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Flourish go back and forth on different aspects and hammers.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Demeter offers damage, an immediate debuff, some of the best duo boons in the game, some defenseive boons, some strong cast boons that are great in general and, of course

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both Dionysus and Demeter offer CC

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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4th, but he is good out the gate without anything else

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Lol no, Lightning Flourish is the best

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I like dio trippy shot, but I’ve long since stopped liking poison damage

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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It's broken

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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can do high heat runs where you may be limited on boons with nothing but a dio core on shield

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Aphrodite has fairly mediocre damage sadly, but offers a good debuff and a lot of defense

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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what

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LOL

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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UH

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Aphrodite mediocre damage

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GOOD ONE DUDe

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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that has to be a joke

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Icebox buddy

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Her percent damage is straight GAS

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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you gotta make your trolling less obvious

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I mean it depends on weapon

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Does it though

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does it -really-

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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One fists she is meh

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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No.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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A little

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Or rail

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Percentage damage is cute.

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It is also overrated.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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But still good on the flourishes

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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You can make it work

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But

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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"overrated"

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L O L

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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wh

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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okay

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now we actually are trolling

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damn lets go

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Just use bow or arthur

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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It is overrated in her case because it is all she has.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Weak?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Take Demeter as a counter example.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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No it's not.

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Weak is the best Status Curse in the game.

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By a huge margin.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Marked is good too 😄

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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she has one of the best duos in the game

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Okay let’s all bring out our troll takes

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:09 AM

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along with another "overrated" god

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Their %damage is comparable. Demeter also gets a dot and chill explosions and an execute on top of her % damage.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Comparable?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Aphrodite maybe gets up to 25% extra damage.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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@cunning urchin I need the chart

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Lol

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Compare Aphrodite to Athena. Athena has slightly less % damage on her abilities, but hers deflect.

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And deflects can outright kill some enemies in one single deflect.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Weak directly increases survivability.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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aphro even has a dedicated boon just to boost damage done on weak targets by even more on top of the base percentage increase

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:10 AM

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guys

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just chill

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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i like the chart as much as the next person, but single damage is not the same as dps nor does it factor in other utilities

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RhgbgEQ2PvrBskk7tw6RXsR8hzRQuG89W9moUruf-fA/edit?usp=drivesdk

Google Docs

Damage on Special

Special

base,hits,bonus,crit%,Aphrodite,Ares,Artemis,Athena,Demeter,Dionysus,Poseidon,Zeus,Aphrodite,Ares,Artemis,Athena
1,60,1,1,1,5,1,30,1.3,1.5,80,1.3,1.5,1.3,1.5
Stygius,50,1,90,110,98,80,80,90,85,80,102,110,130,106,112,89,95
Excalibur,70,1,126,130,137,112,112,110,119,100...

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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this is getting a little obvious troll

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Weak worst status affect in the game if you never get hit /sarcasm

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Heartbreak Flourish absolutely rocks.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Several people are typing

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Haha

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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@fiery light i want to agree with you but there's trolling and then there's desperate backpedaling

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Genuinely, if someone calls Aphro damage weak

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write them off as a troll

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alot easier than this

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LOL

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They clearly value different things in gameplay

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I think his phrasing was "overrated"

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Which can be subjectively true

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Aphrodite has fairly mediocre damage sadly

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:12 AM

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That's what confuses me, though. Utility is apparently key but Weak isn't the best Status Curse?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:13 AM

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This is just someone who's found their fav build and doesnt want to move past it @turbid needle

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Your "immediate debuff" is Hangover, a DoT with no additional affects?

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Not to mention aphro art duo boon

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:13 AM

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@turbid arch what heat are you on by anychance

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and whats your cleartime

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:13 AM

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46 is the highest I have done thus far.

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Don't think I will go much higher than that. Too stressful in the long run.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:14 AM

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No, if they're turtling Aphrodite is still better than Demeter, outright DR > reduced movement speed.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Look, @turbid needle

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you and I both know htat

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but sometimes some people play their game based on feelings

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not on facts

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:14 AM

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The problem is that he could definitely do that much heat without using aphro if he’s really against it

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:14 AM

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thats the only basis someone would be able to say Aphro does mediocre damage

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is that they "felt" the damage was lower

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I mean, there is no point in talking about "Feeling" that the damage is lower or not.

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You either make the tight deadline or you do not.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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agreed

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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i mean i'd be interested in a screenshot of that 46 heat run to see what was even active

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Aphro is the 2nd highest damage in the game

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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if aphro and artemis are just overrated

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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and thats not really debatable @turbid arch

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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It is debatable.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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statistics say so

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How so?

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Well, his attack patterns and weapon matters

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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If were talking a slow play style

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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and yet i have a feeling i will never see such a screenshot 🤔

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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actually, if you want to bring in statistics, there are currently 3 recorded 46+ runs

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2 uses aphro

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I am not talking slow play style.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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sorry

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1 uses aphro

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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You are talking slow playstyle.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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1 uses art

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and 1 uses dio

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Well you didnt tell us your cleartime

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I have to assume slow play becaues thats the only time your 2 favored gods outdps

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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This is getting kinda vitriol

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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so take that however you will

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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thanks @raw violet

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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i don't think it helps your point

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Well, as Krashercorr pointed out, there is only a small number of recorded 46 heat runs.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I'm not saying thanks as a thanks for supporting my point

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you got data

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and thats a good thing

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if data prooves me wrong

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hell yeah

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Assume that one of them is mine and that I am not Haelian.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:17 AM

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i learned somehting

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:18 AM

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~~proof or ban~~

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:18 AM

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no the dio run i referred to is degrand with chaos shield

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haelian did 47 with aprho bow

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Icebox has to be trolling with comments like htat man LOL

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Doesn't Degrand use nothing but Chaos/Low Tolerance?

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Of which Aphrodite is an integral part?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:18 AM

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no aphro

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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assume that one of them is yours? that is the least authoritative stance on a run supposedly done by you but i mean. sure

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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he ended up with a hybrid ice wine build cause he got rnged into demeter attack

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Black Out?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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no blackout

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Really, no Black Out? I need to double Check that.

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Could have sword that was there.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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i don't htink so

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maybe

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Scinitilating Feast was there though

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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i don't remember

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:19 AM

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That I remember clearly.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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yeah, he got a weird but super lucky trippy cast build

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which really clutched it for him

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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🍿

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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The day I discovered Trippy Power was a good day

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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and then the last 46 recorded run is artemis on arthur

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Yeah that was not me.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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so you actually have a variety of high heat runs on record

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I think I could do 40 with that.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:20 AM

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i dunno if you have one recorded icebox

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those are jus tthe ones i'm aware of

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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That's fine.

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That is all the information you need.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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When you provide proof that the recorded run is yours, you can claim it.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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uh

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Anyway, I should go now. Here in germany, it's morning and I need to go to work now.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Otherwise, get out with this garbage.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I mean if you really want to, just go to the Admin Chamber.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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yeah i don't believe one cent of this story sorry

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I mean I’d really like to see indication that you made the runs you claim to have made

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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But in the end of the day you don't need to prove anything to anyone

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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i will gladly change tune if i see anything at all

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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high heat is just a different animal that has a combination of requirements that is not just dps

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but certainly is an integral part

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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agreed @raw violet this arguement has drifted a ton

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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i believe that one hundred percent krasher

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icebox's story though, no.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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DPS is super important.

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And not just DPS

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you need to be able to take out multiple enemies fast and efficiently.

cunning urchin May 25, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Please remember to be civil in your disagreements, anyway. squirtnya

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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So perhaps its better to quantify a statement

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like

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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which is drum roll very heavily involving damage

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Best god in pushing heat

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best god in 32 heat

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best god no heat

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etc

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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if you want to count it, haelian got to phase 2 hades with chaos shield and pretty much only had dio special

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Hm

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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which is why i feel that there is something to be said about dio special

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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@fiery light That sounds agreeable to me.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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in that particular instance

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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And pushing time is another subset of that

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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I'm pretty sure he was heavily leaning on Aegis's survivability.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:23 AM

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yes

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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for sure

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Haelian sick player.

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:3

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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chaos aspect changes the formula a bit

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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There is particular synergy between the two.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Haelian is a homie

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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for obvious reasons

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Was universal synergy not a requirement for being "the best"?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I think the main issue here was the off handed comments that clearly betrayed a lack of understanding

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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If a weapon works in the highest heated enviroments, they suddenly do not become "not good" or "not the best" in other regards, Schpoony.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Icebox, I think its fair to say that aphro's damage greatly exceeds mediocre

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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It is deceiving.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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it's not

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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how do you figure

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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it's pretty straightforward

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Chill

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lets hear his side

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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The percentage looks huge but there is only one boon to back it up.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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im genuinely curious

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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You get the % damage and then up to 25% extra damage

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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you were just saying not to engage the troll earlier my dude

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Which is nice but not that much.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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@mighty ermine its called letting someone hang themselves

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if he explains his logic out further

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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I'm not saying Chaos Aspect Drunken Flourish is ever bad, I'm saying it's never good on a bunch of other options, which means it fails to clear your requirement for being "the best".

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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we can contest it better

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Poseidon gives you high% damage, a dot on top of that, two extra boons that deal damage based on knock backs and wave pounding for bosses

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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you dig

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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okay

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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AND some duo boons to go with it.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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the poseidon comment

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i'm done

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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If you’re going to ask to hear his side, at least listen in good faith

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:26 AM

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yeah

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Wave Pounding is universally considered exceedingly mediocre.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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thats 100% a troll

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LOL

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Im heading off to bed

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gn fellas

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Demeter, same case. You get the % damage, a strong dot on top of it, the artic blast and the execute.

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Night.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Athena, the deflects which deal huge damage, the debuff for extra backstab damage and even more deflect damage off brilliant riposte.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I disagree with you ice, but I do understand what you’re saying now

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 6:27 AM

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@turbid needle thanks

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:28 AM

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You’re saying there’s no additional boons to further push Aphro damage beyond the first boon and the one that makes them take extra damage

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:28 AM

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It is really just the one additional boon that she has, but yes.

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Everything else about her is more tailored towards defense.

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Which is fine by me, really, there is a time and a place for that.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I think you’ll find that doesn’t end up mattering in the long run

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Because her damage already starts high

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I had plenty of runs where I tried to go hard on Aphrodite damage builds, sometimes by choice, sometimes because the game "forced it on me"

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:29 AM

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And the survivability boost means you’ll keep doing damage when you’d otherwise be dead

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:29 AM

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it was never enough in regards to the tight deadline on runs where I find that it matters most.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Plus aphro has good damage duos

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Arguable.

dry ember May 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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But if not Aphro then what God did you use?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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The one with Artemis is nice.

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Demeter, Dio and Zeus

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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The trick is that you don’t go only aphro, icebox

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Having an aphro boon or three at your core grants great damage and survivability

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Not in that order.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:31 AM

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But you don’t just go full aphro

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:31 AM

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I agree.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:31 AM

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But it’s still great damage for the price

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:31 AM

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I absolutely do. And if you scroll up, you will see that I said that Aphrodite is up there with Dio and Demeter.

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She is still not the goddess I turn to if I want damage.

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I turn to Aphrodite if I want her weakening effect for damage mitigation and/or privileged status and maybe a chance to get some nice added defensive boons like Life Affirmation.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:32 AM

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But icebox, consider the efficiency of her damage

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:32 AM

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If I can get Sweet Surrender too, sweet.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:33 AM

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For only 1-2 boons, you get better damage than 1-2 boons from another god

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:33 AM

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That is a broad statement that must not be always true.

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There are plenty cases where she does not give you one of her high damage boons

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which, for the most part, is just her attack and her special.

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Aphrodite is really just raw damage control in both directions.

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So people usually associate her boons with damage.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Her cast is nice but close range so I do not take it as often as I should perhaps, her dash is not outstanding in terms of damage and her Wrath...

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....lets not talk about her wrat

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:34 AM

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That’s something you can easily manipulate though, icebox

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Dying Lament annihilates crowds of enemies with chain reaction Weak explosions.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Your percent chance to get her attack and flourish is very high as long as you haven’t taken one from another god yet

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Access to her attack and special is definitely not an issue

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Sweet just makes everything more powerful.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Again, I know and understand what makes Aphrodite good. You don't need to sell me a product that I am already sold on.

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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And Charm turns them against each other.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Charm I am not a fan of.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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@umbral lagoon the association isn't unwarranted given that amongst the percentage increase gods, hers is the absolute highest on its own

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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It makes the enemies behave in unexpected ways.

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Especially Bosses.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Yeah I don’t like charm either

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I also still have nightmares from the time charmed made enemies deal 10x the damage to you.

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I never said it wasn't unwarranted, lol?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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shudders

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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But her wrath does do good damage at full charge

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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If your Wrath is only useful when you have a full charge

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you have no wrath.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Not crazy, but totally acceptable

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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@umbral lagoon oh definitely not, i meant moreso in context of this convo going back further

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didn't mean to word it like you said it wasn't

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Personally I tend to fully charge my wrath

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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I just provided my perspective about damage control in both directions.

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That's how I see Aphrodite.

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And build regarding her.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:38 AM

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@restive solar That would mean not using your wrath effect for entire rooms at times.

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Not pushing any points besides that!

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Why pick it up in the first place then?

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:38 AM

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I usually take my wrath when none of the other boons I’m offered are good, or would take slots I’m saving for other gods

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I rarely prioritize a wrath pick

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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@umbral lagoon fair! there's been a... conversation. to put it lightly. going on for a bit now here. i guess i'm still in that mode lol. the popcorn emoji earlier was fitting

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Hmmm. I mean, my favorite wrath effects in the game are Zeus, Dionysus and Demeters, which are just good to go all the time whenever they are up.

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Then there is Ares and Poseidon whom I avoid like the pest to use at full charge

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I like poseidon, athena

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Athena is the only one I feel comfortable using "on demand", which can go both ways thanks to her being defensive.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:40 AM

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i think 40+ heat runs change the environment so much that different gods uses change somewhat significantly

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Poseidon and Ares fully charged I dislike because it disallows me from doing other things. The invincibility is nice though.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Invincibility is the part of wrath that matters imo

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It’s an extra dodge

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Depends on the kind of run you are having. But yeah, I can agree with that.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:41 AM

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in the defense of spreadfire, no one has been able to do a 45+ run with rail as far as i know so i'm curious as to why that is

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i suspect reliability

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:42 AM

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I have done my runs with chaos shield for the most part, so don't take my word on this:

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Bombs target weirdly. Reload slow. Forces you to alternate between attack and special for high DPS. And you stop where you are to do both.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:42 AM

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It's too risky imo. You would need to find a good and reliable seed with early spread shot and a good attack, ideally artemis

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Just a hassle to work with in high pressure situations.

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:42 AM

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and even then it is risky because of you being constantly in close range.

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Benefits package made close ranged fighting more dangerous than ever.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:43 AM

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yeah, i suspect that it's part because there's minimal stagger

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and damage control + BP

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:43 AM

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That would be the next point, Rail has little to no staggering going on.

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I miss old explosive shot, man...

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There is also another factor:

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Leaving Spread Fire to the side, the only "fast" run you can bank for would be rocket shot/clusterbomb.

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Leaving THAT aside, the rail is just inherently slow unless you go for some other niche builds.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:44 AM

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that's two hammer boons, that's a lot of rng with approval process

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Indeed.

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I think I did see a 40 heat run with that on YT somewhere.

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Not mine though.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:45 AM

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there was some discussion about doing fist or rail 46+ runs

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and for rail it seemed like people were more inclined for the rocket for safety and crowdcontrol

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:46 AM

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I did rail 32 heat on stream the other day. And it was a blizzard shot run, so the defining factor there was not the fist.

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I think that the fists are the worst weapon in the game overall.

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Pure Melee, next to no notably AOE, some of the worst hammer upgrades overall, the weapon aspects are not that impressive either imo.

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Aren’t you supposed to be at work now

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:46 AM

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OH FISH!

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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can i watch your stream

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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You're right!

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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krasher was mentioning 46+, not 32

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Fists have some amazing Hammer upgrades...

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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it's a different beast

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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fist was my easiest 32 heat run so far, but i suspect it becomes near impossible at 40+

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:47 AM

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(I am working from home office right now, but I should have been a bit more productive these last few minutes. Oooooops)

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:48 AM

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heaving sigh

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 6:48 AM

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are you on twitch ?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:48 AM

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i dunno, i just want to see them done to complete the variety

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to see what strategies people come up with

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mostly to deal with the rng of the heat options most people avoid

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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The Chaos Shield 46 Clear was a good example for minimizing RNG, actually.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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yeah, i thought that degrand did a smart job with his heat settings

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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you are not degrand

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but okay

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Nooooo.

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No, I am not.

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And you did not see that.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:50 AM

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then why did you say thanks

raw violet May 25, 2020, 6:50 AM

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wait

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:50 AM

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come on dude

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:50 AM

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🍿

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:52 AM

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It would be hilarious if it were true, but impersonating someone just isn’t cool. Wish we could clear this up

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:53 AM

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In these situations, both possibilities are probable. Either they wanted to reveal themselves in the most dramatic controversial way possible, or it's an internet troll.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:53 AM

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right, surely we should message degrand to set this straight!

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Like how Icebox basically revealed he was German and has high heat runs that he is not willing to show.

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kek

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🍿 💺

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I'm waiting! 😄

restive solar May 25, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Oh look, he’s suddenly gone

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 6:55 AM

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suddenly his uh, work at home got very interesting

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:00 AM

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So if he was DeGrand, he upvoted my idea that Hell Mode shouldn't restrict you to playing heat higher than what you've accomplished with (any aspect of) the weapon class of choice.

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Totally not advertising this fix that I desperately want as a Hell Mode player.

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Which is hypothetical.

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Also why are people downvoting it? 2 : 1 upvote/downvote ratio right now, so it's somewhat controversial.

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Are you all just sadists who want me to bang my head against an ever-increasing heat wall? I guess that is Hell. /s

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(No, but seriously, I want to know why.)

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Idk dude

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people downvote my hermes thing

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and it genuinely effects no one but the people who benefit form it

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so who knwos

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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😦

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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knows *

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Hell mode is hell mode

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it's gotta differentiate itself somehow

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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It does with forced pact of punishment penalties.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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What would preventing you from playing on lower heat do?

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Doesn't give bounties.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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I kinda wish that we oculd have an area to discuss feedback

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because some feedback is simple unawareness

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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this is the area to discuss feedback

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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or things that could be debatable

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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it's in the title

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title description

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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sorry let me rephrase

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I wish people before downvoting would give reasons why

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:06 AM

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So for example, today I was forced to do my first cast run (which was successful, yay Hera bow) on 11 heat.

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Cause that was the lowest heat I could go.

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Even though I never used the hera bow before.

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Sure 11 is a joke

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:06 AM

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i see alot of good arguements for things in feedback

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:06 AM

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but still,

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what if it was 32

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or 40

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gg

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It just locks away easier versions of the game permanently.

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I will never be able to experience 5 heat for bow.

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Ever again.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:07 AM

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that's a little hyperbole

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:07 AM

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on that save

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:07 AM

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you can always start a normal file

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:07 AM

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I'm not starting a new save file.

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It takes forever to get all the stats right.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:07 AM

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probably not as long as it may take you to make it to 40 heat

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:08 AM

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i definitely see where your feedback is coming from but it seems like more of a miscommunication about what hell mode entails

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:08 AM

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You are all right, but it just fundamentally makes no sense.

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I don't like games that restrict my freedom for no reason besides the honor of being in Hell Mode.

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Like it comes down to honor or something like that. That you will always have to push your limits.

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And you are forced to.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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honor is only defined by you

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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if you worded your feedback in this way instead, from a personal perspective of feeling like you found out later and felt trapped with that file, i feel it would be better recieved

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I did?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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correct

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Read my feedback submission.

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It's long, second paragraph.

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Or no, it was in the first paragraph!

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So it was in my original post.

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I edited it like 20 minutes later.

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😠

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:10 AM

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i dunno, i didn't vote on it

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i chose not to do hell mode cause i knew i didn't want to have that restriction

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Got a lot more upvotes than downvotes though, but 7 makes me think I'm missing something.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:10 AM

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nah i specifically mean the potential miscommunication on the game's part irt not knowing about the lack of heat reversion

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:10 AM

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and do a hell mode on a seperate file for fun

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Ah okay.

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That still sucks though.

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It should only count for people who main Hell Mode.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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idk how people vote man

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Cause it literally doesn't even matter for non-Hell Mode.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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All I want is for my boy hermes to be free

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Where's your feedback?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Its higher up

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I'll upvote yours if you upvote mine

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kek

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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kek

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I want Hermes to be available on runs 1-3

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:11 AM

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like, a feedback asking for hell mode to make it very clear upon making a file that you can't go back on heat would be super fair game. not saying the one you left already isn't, but you know

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because that's kind of the core of your issue

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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it effects literally no one but the people who do fresh file runs

restive solar May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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If you want to know why you were downvoted, you can check which users downvoted you and message them

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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nah I dont wana be an ass

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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i think as is, some people may just prefer that that is a part of hell mode to add to the challenge

restive solar May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Then word it nicely

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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wait isn't hermes in tartarus?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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also 2 have blocked me for even mentioning I was a speed runner

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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I've bought him in shops

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Hes not on run 4

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hes asphodel online on run 4

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only *

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asphodel + on run 4

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i should say

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depth = 13

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:13 AM

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@mighty ermine true, but the damage is done so perhaps reparations are necessary?

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don't you see how inflexible this whole thing is at this point?

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I'm not even sure what the designers had in mind with this

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Whatever, just some thoughts

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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i can imagine if I worked my way through hell mode and got very far into it, I might take pride in the fact that i couldn't decrease my heat

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I do, but I would have had that pride anyway in normal mode

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meh

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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it's just that effective feedback is getting to the center of your problem. if you knew hell mode would do this, it wouldn't exactly be something you felt cheated on later on if you made that hell mode file

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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but i can't speak for other people

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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totally agree

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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yeah

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:14 AM

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and so, a feedback about the game communicating more clearly would be more concise and potentially better recieved

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Duly noted for future feedback suggestions!

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Again, I have a fundamental disagreement with the design of Hell Mode, so it goes further than just information for the player.

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But yeah, just my opinion.

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And I guess it is a 2:1 ratio of people who agree/disagree with me.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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and i'm definitely not saying you can't be frustrated with how hell mode works or anything. but as you've seen, a lot of people like how it works right now just fine

main osprey May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Sorry, I'm just coming back in--what's Hell mode?

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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kekw

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kekw

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kekw

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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i don't think many would oppose the idea of the game just being more upfront!

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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nah you're fine

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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also sorry for rambling

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i'll stop lol

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:16 AM

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It's basically a mode where you start a 5 heat from the first run.

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Some of the more annoying heat options are picked.

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And there's an exclusive heat option that kills your invincibility frams.

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I've been playing on it since day 1 since I like challenges.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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it goes both ways too

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there's plenty of people who want that hell ode exclusive option

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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The annoying part is if you beat it on 5 heat with a weapon, you can never play it again on 5 heat with that weapon.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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in normal

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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That goes for all aspects, even if you didn't use them.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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and get plenty of downvotes for similar reasons

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:17 AM

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I think that's flawed.

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At least you should be able to use different aspects on lower heat.

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If you haven't beaten it on lower heat before.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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to be fair, it's been a little hellish for you wouldn't you say

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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That would preserve the challenge, and you don't get any bounties.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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and it is hell mode

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Nah, it's easy fight me bro

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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sorry

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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kekw

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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i think an argument could be made that part of learning a new aspect is learning it through difficulty

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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But yeah, I might update my feedback with an example about Hera bow now.

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Since it's a good example.

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:18 AM

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sometimes the best way to swim is to be thrown into the deep end

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Cast is different playstyle than vanilla attack/special.

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Bruh I don't need no teacher. I would have done it in normal anyway

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Hell just sounds cooler.

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HELLLLL

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YEAHHHHHH

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:19 AM

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monkaS

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:19 AM

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i've done many new aspect runs on whatever my current highest heat is

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i don't see a particular problem messing around with new aspects in current heats

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so long as you know that it might not be successful

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or maybe it will

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who knows

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:20 AM

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the only ground syou might have are for the more dramatically different aspects

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like arthur and guan

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otherwise imo

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im confident enough to take whatver aspect in to my current heat

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:20 AM

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i do empathize with wanting to just do runs where you're just messing around and not caring, though

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:20 AM

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yeah thats fair too

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I voted it up just because I think tis a fair thing to want

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I think practice options could be greatly expanded

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:21 AM

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i'm not saying all this to be a contrarian, just that there's many perspectives on this

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:21 AM

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mhm

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:21 AM

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and i think it's reasonable for there to be some portion of people who feel differently

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:21 AM

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EXCEPT FOR HER-

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yeah

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please

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il sell my soul

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I edited my feedback. I think the second paragraph is pointless and the first paragraph was better as it was by itself.

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Not sure why I added my thoughts.

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Maybe I was trying for compassion or something.

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Clearly you all have none.

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😭

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:24 AM

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i tried that Too

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people downvoted me

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despite my pleading LOL

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Its a genuine non-issue for everyone here

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and yet still downvoted

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alas

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somethings are not meant to be

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:24 AM

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there's no room for compassion in pragmatism

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:25 AM

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I just wana clear hades on first run

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at a reasonable pace

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is that so much to ask ;-;

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with a guarenteed Athena dash in room 1

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its perfect

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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just clear it and make a new category

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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I'll call it Free Hermes %

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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%freshfilenoreset

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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LOL

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fair

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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isn't that what that new guy was doing?

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Is he?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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angatosh

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:26 AM

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im not cuaght up

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seems like it

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yeah

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im down to do that

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sounds like fun

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easy merciful end farm

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:27 AM

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i popped in his stream and he was single dashing at hades with no DD

turbid needle May 25, 2020, 7:27 AM

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don't sgg go through all the feedback anyways no matter the votes

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:27 AM

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To say it's pragmatism is giving way too much respect to people's opinions. I want to hear those logical arguments why this shouldn't be changed...

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:27 AM

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it looked painful

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:27 AM

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hahah

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it is

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i got a phase 25% hp one

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once

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with merciful

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:28 AM

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the single dash alone looks like pulling teeth

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:28 AM

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I think in single dash

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its more optimal to swordswing1

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and hold dash to counter act

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dash attacking constantly is higher dps for openings

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:28 AM

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yeah, i noticed some of that

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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but for small opening it might be more prudent

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to do single slash

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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seemed like he was still working on strategy and learning the fight

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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fair fair

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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yeah the only single dash hades fights i'm ok with are when i run ruthless, hermes doesn't give me extra dashes but hey, zag is pumped on his mirror, a keepsake, and a full aspect so it's fine

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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it's rare to see normal sword swings so it caught my eye

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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fresh file single dash? no.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:29 AM

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the hardest part to me

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is elysium

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with no fountain

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that genuinely seems difficult with 1 dash

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you can get chipped like crazy there

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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yeah

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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between flamewheels, armorchariots wtf the brightblades do etc

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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can't get away from flamewheels as easily

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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You absolutely need to dash through obstacles.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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yeah

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Perfectly.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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100%

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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If you mess up say bye to 25% of your health on average.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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baiting greatshield vulnerability would be a lot more awkward too

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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i forgot how painful fresh file single dash was til i started a hell mode save

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ugh

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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elysium single dash

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genuinely is awful

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LOL

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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First time I beat Elysium I did it with Chiron Aspect keke

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It sucked.

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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thats a actual endurance run

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:31 AM

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With single dash, ofc, as I was a ruthless main until today.

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Then I did it 5 more times.

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And stopped cause double overtime is really annoying to deal with with 1 dash.

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And a bow.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:32 AM

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ruthless is fun when you have enough mirror and everything behind you, i think it's fine for 20 and below heat

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32 though, won't do ruthless. nah

umbral lagoon May 25, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Yeah, it depends on my DPS.

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If it's high, just kill things before they can outpace you.

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But bad RNG and bow gets really hard.

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It's like chipping against a brick wall even with just level 1 enemy health boosts.

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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right, it's free extra damage and potential dodge if you're typically dashing well enough

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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man

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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MM skullcrusher shockwaves though

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THE WORST

fiery light May 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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maybe tomorrow il stream some fresh file no reset runs

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because i hate myself

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and ello beat me to 2nd sub30

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LOL

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Run 1 Pool is

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Ares, Athena, Poseidon, Dio rihgt?

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:34 AM

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i have no idea

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i only pay attention to speedrunning

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i'm a casual speedrunner at best

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and even that is being generous

mighty ermine May 25, 2020, 7:38 AM

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same, i've casually been speedrunning hades lately but i dunno if i'd call myself a speedrunner

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just random seed any% heat stuff

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whittled down each weapon time to sub 12 and have been fine with that for now

raw violet May 25, 2020, 7:39 AM

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same

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initially just working on sub 15 then got rng run that got sub 12 so i guess that's just the new goal for the rest

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 8:36 AM

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why "free Hermes" ? 😮

lament coral May 25, 2020, 8:40 AM

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cause he's too high maintenance

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 8:43 AM

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lol

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guys, a question : Orpheus sings less and less in my game. Actually, he sings only when it's quest related, and then nothing. I bought the Hymn and other songs but it's only instrumental. Is it as intended ? It's a little disappointing always having instrumental.

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i just came back to the House and he was singing the Hymn, but then after i spoke to him he stopped and now it's over, even after i bought the song

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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I'd say he sings about once every 3-5 runs on average for me.

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Just got his reuniting with Eurydice, I am not sure, if that will change the numbers in that regard a bit. I kinda doubt it though.

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 8:46 AM

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i'm a little disappointed the "hymn of zagreus" is 4 diamonds for only the instrumental version, which is...very plain

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i can do with instrumental, but on hymn of zagreus, its a pity. And ive done many runs now and Orpheus all but stopped singing Good Riddance in the House :/

lament coral May 25, 2020, 9:20 AM

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they're all instrumental, no?

viscid vale May 25, 2020, 9:23 AM

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all the songs you buy yea

fast wolf May 25, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Bought this game about a week ago and reached Lord Hades on escape attempt #9 last night with a crazy spear and poison+Thunder AoE+DoT build I randomly got. Was surprised I was actually almost able to remove His first HP bar on the first try.
Having a blast with this game so far although not playing more than 1 run per day.

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How many runs did it take you to beat Theseus and Asterios and make it to Hades?

turbid arch May 25, 2020, 9:40 AM

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When I started playing, Hades was not even in the game, so the correct answer here would probably be "Dozens if not hundreds of runs".