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#h1-builds-and-combat
raw violet
hammer seems almost guaranteed in styx if you skip earlier ones
turbid needle
Does it show up as an initial branch option?
I always go for Hammers, even with Cast builds.
raw violet
it seems to
mighty ermine
yeah it can
i forgot which weird hammer ignoring build i had
but it did show up immediately
turbid needle
I guess Poseidon, Achilles, and Hera Cast builds can ignore Hammers.
unkempt pagoda
if i only have one hammer, almost always i see a hammer as a styx option
actually, i think it's been every time
raw violet
i can't think of a time where skipping hammers didn't result in a styx hammer door
so take that for what you will
mighty ermine
and, while not really an unexpected result, i've only ever seen it for non-miniboss tunnels, presumably because hammers are hammers
until the super hammer is introduced in the june update
main osprey
I had a really good bow build earlier today, wouldn't've been nearly as powerful without the two hammers
mystic vale
Which turns you into a Hammer Brother.
main osprey
Ah, I see this convo was continued from that xD
mighty ermine
i find bow to be one of the more hammer reliant weapons, yeah
especially for how i tend to play it
main osprey
Yup. Luckily, I actually started with a hammer, which helped
mighty ermine
triple and chain is ideal, twin shot is also good if i can't get that
i'll typically grab the power shot boost with twin if i can
proven robin
Ahhh, now I remember why I enjoyed Aspect of Zeus.
It's stylish. If you know how to work it, balancing throwing it out to create a zone of damage, retrieving it to reposition, and calling it back and having it chase you to stymie pursuers...it just feels really cool. Sometimes you can end up fighting two groups of enemies effectively at the same time if you do it right.
proven robin
It makes me understand just how cool it is to play Zato-1.
proven robin
What is that again?
eager scarab
50% more critical damage to weak-afflicted foes
unkempt pagoda
4.5x crit
proven robin
Ohhhh-hohohoho!
proven robin
That sounds fun!
eager scarab
Which of the two give you the Poseidon + Demeter duo boon? Where your cast sends out little vortex's as it travels
proven robin
Ahhh, Blizzard Shot!
You need Poseidon's Cast boon, and you need something of Demeter's that inflicts Chill.
eager scarab
Yep, I have both of those
proven robin
Now just...hope for the best.
eager scarab
But which God will give me the duo? Is it both?
eager scarab
Okay, thanks
proven robin
Good luck!
proven robin
Eyyyyyyy!
mighty ermine
finally got sword to sub 12 like the others and it ended up being the fastest anyways 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/713600148646658118/20200522225108_1.jpg
raw violet
what is the effect of stacking hunter dash and deadly strike on the attack/dash
increased crit chance?
stoic thicket
Goodness. How? I've yet to get a run under 20 minutes, 12 is crazy.
raw violet
i see it frequently, i just want to know what it actually does
mighty ermine
practice! also how do you mean exactly @raw violet ?
raw violet
vs something like stacking two different effects so you have it on your dash attack
maybe i misunderstand how attack and dash attack interact
mighty ermine
yeah i'm a little confused by your wording
unkempt pagoda
hunter dash is just a straight damage increase on your dash attack
mighty ermine
hunter dash doesn't affect crit rate
raw violet
i guess i'm trying to ask is if you have deadly strike ont he sword, would it be more beneficial to have a different dash attack
boon
okay, i didn't think hunter dash gave crit
unkempt pagoda
hunter dash is the only dash boon that affects the dash attack
raw violet
but for some reason i was second guessing myself
mighty ermine
probably not simply because i use the dash strike a lot with sword
so hunter dash is the dash boon i wanted the most
raw violet
is it just the highest damage on dash then?
i just wonder if it would be reasonable to replace to dash with something that gives a curse
mighty ermine
for the playstyle i was doing, definitely
raw violet
then you could reliably have priv status more
mighty ermine
based on how many dashes i have, it's dash-strike x2 or more, special cancel, repeat
i was hoping to get double edge to make the build even better, but it didn't show up
mighty ermine
possibly yeah
my plan going in wasn't too elaborate or seeded
basically grab hunter dash and get as many chaos attack or dash strike boons as i can to add
managed to get one dash strike and a special from chaos, which worked fine because my aphro special was strong
and i got the double special hammer
raw violet
i guess to go back to my original question, i've always wondered how exactly dash attacks interact with attack and dash boons
that was what i guess i was trying to understand
i had been led to believe they stack
mighty ermine
dash strikes themselves aren't affected by dash boons at all actually, other than hunter dash specifically
raw violet
and from my limited testing, seems to be true
mighty ermine
they're otherwise a separate instance of damage that happens on the dash
and not related to the following strike
raw violet
oh, i see
mighty ermine
that's mostly why i took hunter dash
raw violet
i guess it's hard to tell with athena dash, since the numbers get lost in the mix
mighty ermine
it's especially powerful with double edge that allows the dash strike to hit twice every time and gets a little damage boost
athena dash is generally very weak in terms of damage
the utility is where it shines
raw violet
yeah, i'm mostly using it cause i want to apply exposed for Priv
mighty ermine
either defensively or its ability to proc merciful end/deadly reversal
mighty ermine
for sure, merciful end can work out to make for some very swift runs
cunning urchin
Both "attack damage" and "dash-strike damage" affect dash-strikes. Deadly Strike benefits a lot more than other attack boons from any % bonus damage because that damage is multiplied by crits.
raw violet
i think i had tried a sword run and ended up with passion dash and it just didn't apply that well
oh, that's basically exactly what i was looking for
mighty ermine
passion dash can be kind of finicky
cunning urchin
Passion Dash, Divine Dash, etc. have relatively small AOE. So you'll often just not hit your enemy with the AOE when dash-striking—even with Malphon.
raw violet
i noticed that on sword, but on malphon i dash through enemies a lot so i get to see the PS symbol pretty reliably
actually, sorry, that doesn't even apply i don't think
cause exposed status procs on the hit of the dash strike
doesn't it?
am i being crazy?
raw violet
i'm thinking specifically of fists and having divine dash
mighty ermine
then yeah dashing through an enemy will activate one half of priv status
they'll be afflicted with exposed
mighty ermine
nah divine dash doesn't interact directly with your dash-strike
raw violet
cause i distinctly remember getting priv status on hydra without going through it
mighty ermine
they're seperate
cunning urchin
It's the Deflect from the dash that procs Exposed, not the damage from it. That's why it works better. Passion Dash only applies the AOE that inflicts Weak at the end of your dash, so dashing through enemies will often just make it miss.
mighty ermine
the area that deflects around you while using divine dash is fairly generous too
deflections passively happen pretty often
cunning urchin
Well, it's not the dash-strike that affects it but just touching their hurtbox with your deflect.
Yeah.
inland pebble
And that's why it's the best dash ingame
raw violet
blinding flash even says it's specifically the attack that causes exposed
mighty ermine
by "attacks that deflect" it means any athena related boon that deflects
raw violet
and i swear, during phase 3 hydra and long knuckle and staying outside of range of the hydra slams, i got priv status
mighty ermine
it's not extremely literal
cunning urchin
Divine Dash and Hunter Dash are definitely the two S tier dashes in the game. Divine Dash having the edge because it can be common and do everything you want from it.
mighty ermine
it's not really much of a mystery
inland pebble
I feel it's much easier to dash strike with a controller than with keyboard and mouse
cunning urchin
The Hydra's hurtbox is pretty big.
raw violet
it is if my tests confirm what i say
maybe, i guess i would have to have long knuckle
since the deflect shield is fairly large
mighty ermine
like we've said, the area that deflects around divine dash is deceptively large
you were probably just deflecting passively while fighting
and activated exposed
raw violet
maybe i'd have to test with bow
cunning urchin
Why test when you can ping the devs until they tell you everything you want. 
raw violet
okay, it is just malphon's hitbox that overlaps pretty hard with divine dash
dry ember
I'm so tired
Is Arte call worth taking?
I'm holding for Athena
But I'm also too lazy to look for it
mighty ermine
arte call is one that you want high rarity of and mostly for using max call to chunk boss phases
otherwise i find it just underwhelming
cunning urchin
Greater Call is 1700 damage on average at Heroic. Lady Aphrodite's Greater Call does 2500 at any rarity.
Piercing, though, and it does better with levels in it.
It's also multiple hits, so it can break armor and continue to do damage.
sudden dagger
I've figured out that at my stage of the game anyway, reflect/dash is a good combination.
And Artemis is pretty good at boosting damage
But I haven't found ways to use the other gods well
cunning urchin
Depends. Deadly Flourish is top tier right out of the gate without any support from other boons. Deadly Strike requires other % bonus damage to overtake other attack boons.
sudden dagger
I would believe that
Except with Zeus. His boons don't seem to do much that I can build on
cunning urchin
Lightning Flourish is pretty poor on anything but Varatha.
Lightning Strike is amazing on Exagryph and Malphon.
mighty ermine
zeus attack can be invaluable on quicker weapon attacks
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's definitely S tier.
mighty ermine
jolted is a solid status made better by the potential addition of cold fusion
sudden dagger
With the faster attack speed though is it as good as other things that scale with attack speed?
cunning urchin
Ah right, Lightning Flourish should also be strong on Zeus Aspect. I haven't run the numbers or personally tested it.
sudden dagger
I'll look out to try Zeus with those for sure
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike adds flat damage. Most other attack boons add % damage. So it beats them on attacks that have low base damage.
sudden dagger
Ares' stacking doom seems like it would also be good with the gloves and rail
Is that two boons though?
cunning urchin
E.g., Exagryph's attack does 10 damage per shot. Common Lightning Strike adds 10 damage to every shot. Heartbreak Strike has the best +% bonus and adds +50% at common, that's only 5 extra damage every shot.
With Doom you actually want to try to get Merciful End to more or less instantly trigger Doom and reapply it right away.
Curse of Agony is very strong though on Malphon even without any tier 2 boons. @naive tusk tried what you said with the Rail, and apparently it was pretty effective.
@naive tusk since I've already pinged you, how did Lightning Flourish on Varatha work out?
naive tusk
I really can't say for sure. I was playing half-half because I was making an experiment with Trippy Shot. Since it was a derpy build and I could make it out, I guess it worked
I will do another run but with a real build this time and tell you about it
cunning urchin
Cool cool.
I will continue failing 32-heat runs meanwhile.
My last attempt was pretty good. Poseidon gave me Tempest Flourish on Demeter Aspect, and it was the poorest synergy I've experienced on Malphon.
I wonder how Talos + Tempest Flourish would work out.
mighty ermine
i've seen some people try tempest flourish on talos and call it the "yank n yeet"
tried it myself once and while it looked neat, it didn't feel super effective in any significant way
just kind of a goofy thing
cunning urchin
On Demeter Aspect in Asphodel it was "DIE!!! No no no no why are you 200 feet away floating over lava now! Come back!!!"
mighty ermine
"time for my BIG FINISHER- wait hold on that wasn't how i- come back let me do this agai-"
mighty ermine
classic poseidon with "look nephew, i'm helping!" while he proceeds to make various aspects of a run more difficult with his gimmick
dry ember
Huge Catch though
Also you apparently you can dash to cancel the animation of Excalibur Special
People probably knew already
But I learned that today
cunning urchin
You can do that with every sword special, yes.
turbid arch
Zeus special is not even that bad on the spear
you get the lightning damage on both ways.
cunning urchin
Yep.
But if you hit multiple enemies, it might not trigger on all of the hits.
Interestingly, there's really no contest for Heartbreak Flourish on Excalibur. It does the best damage and applies Weak. Deadly Flourish wins marginally on common and rare but doesn't apply any debuff.
There's a case for Curse of Pain on the other Stygius aspects, though.
raw violet
poseidon boons are exactly what i would expect from your weird goofy uncle
he may not care much for your pursuit out of the underworld but you're gonna go fishing and have a beer and have fun
cunning urchin
Praise be to Logan's range.
unkempt pagoda
the only thing a poseidon boon should be on is the rod of fishing
cunning urchin
Hmmm what should I take into Elysium. I've already used Ladies Athena and Artemis' keepsakes. https://imgur.com/a/uWBnBpc
Need DPS in Elysium now.
cunning urchin
I already have Attack and Special covered, cast is irrelevant to me. So it would only come from his Call.
cunning urchin
Don't want to give up Divine Dash.
main osprey
ah, missed that
def keep that xD
could go for one of the damage up keepsakes
especially with an Athena build, || Thanatos' || could be good I believe
cunning urchin
I don't have the confidence for that on 32 heat lol.
main osprey
oooh, fair
didn't enlarge the picture to notice that
lemme look at the keepsakes real quick
what weapon do you have? can't tell
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect. Malphon.
main osprey
Nyx's could work
cunning urchin
Yeah, I'm thinking Black Shawl for DPS and pick up any Call along the way.
main osprey
yeah
cunning urchin
Forcing a God that isn't Lady Athena or Lady Artemis lowers my chances for Deadly Reversal.
main osprey
yup
cunning urchin
My heart wants to take a tank keepsake because 32 heat is scary.
cunning urchin
But I need to finish in under 7 minutes, so I need that DPS.
cunning urchin
Yeah, I'll go with that.
I'll come back to you and haunt you later when I've failed.
main osprey
hahaha, I believe!
main osprey
nice
young gorge
Greatest reflex is here to save the day
errant narwhal
@delicate nimbus irt your feedback, you might want to try athena's boon sure footing. magma counts as trap damage, so at high rarity or if you upgrade it with poms it really helps with it!
i still swear by sure footing.... i will never stop......
main osprey
I remember a few runs back when I had multiple trap damage ups from Chaos, I took 30 damage / tick from lava...
main osprey
:D I got so much darkness from it
errant narwhal
i had a run recently where i had 2 trap damage curses from them at once. i dont think i took any, but it was a Lot
cunning urchin
Picked up some nice things in Elysium. https://imgur.com/a/vtTmNXB
main osprey
oh, mine totaled at ~+600% from traps
nice lol
I rarely get the jerky ¯_(ツ)_/¯
right, but you're doing a higher heat run
so the damage helps
cunning urchin
That wasn't from Patroclus. I just bought it at the shop.
main osprey
yeah, I could tell
raw violet
i was going to say acorn but i've obviously missed that boat
main osprey
they have a different name
cunning urchin
Patroclus hasn't bothered to show up in any 32-heat run lol.
main osprey
I prefer the tooth, if you have it ranked up
raw violet
noice noice
young gorge
Acorn really helps with the final boss so
raw violet
yeah, i'd def go acorn for hades
young gorge
The effective hp it gives is more than skelly can
cunning urchin
Acorn is a lot more HP, effectively, than the tooth.
main osprey
I guess I'll try that if I make it to Hades this run
young gorge
Yeah!
cunning urchin
Yeah, especially with +60% damage from enemies.
young gorge
YIKES
main osprey
oof
raw violet
if you feel like your build has good dps, bone hourglass isn't a terrible idea
young gorge
Yeah!!! Run accorn!!
errant narwhal
gl!
raw violet
but then you're gonna have to get lucky with wells
young gorge
Tbh either accorn or bone hourglass is a good go to for styx
cunning urchin
Hmm. Not sure about Hourglass when I have Convenience Fee on 2.
raw violet
bracer if you're concerned about getting through rooms
but acorn if you feel like the hurdle will be hades
cunning urchin
I should be fine. I have Divine Strike and Divine Dash.
raw violet
yeah
cunning urchin
And that Deadly Flourish does a lot of work.
young gorge
Athena boons making u feel safe 😌
cunning urchin
Acorn it is. I still have healing from Bouldy available, too.
turbid arch
If you have 100% extra damage, I think that the Acorn is huge for Styx.
A big swing of Hades can deal 80 damage, tanking 5 of them'd be 400 damage negated
which in most cases should be more damage mitigation than other keepsakes can provide.
cunning urchin
He did exactly 38 damage with one green urn. https://imgur.com/a/qvoLc8P
I got out there at 2:36:00 precisely.
Thank you all for helping me strategize.
cunning urchin
I've only used Talos Aspect twice.
young gorge
Zag aspect on fists is pretty good
main osprey
this is my first talos run
I'm also only on one heat tho
bit too tired to want to try anything more xD
cunning urchin
Changing from Zagreus Aspect to Demeter made a pretty big difference for me on 32. The runs all felt a lot smoother with that.
stoic thicket
Talos is my go-to on the fists, running low heat myself though.
cunning urchin
My problem with Talos is that pulling in armored enemies that have 2 perks from Benefits Package is a bit of a suicide attempt.
cunning urchin
I've all the Malphon aspects maxed, so I guess so.
I generally talk about maxed out aspects when I talk about aspects.
young gorge
Yeah some of the aspects I just never saw a point in maxing so I leave them there first, but I am running on low heat as well
cunning urchin
I don't really take any aspects on runs that aren't maxed out.
main osprey
about to face hades, I've got a surprisingly high-damage Doom/Hangover comp
young gorge
Hope tick damage will kill hades for you 😌
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony is among the top picks for DPS on Malphon, so that's not too surprising.
young gorge
50 years before doom goes off
cunning urchin
I'm actually not at all a fan of Impending Doom on Malphon unless I have Merciful End to trigger Doom instantly.
1.1 sec standard tic is great. 1.6 from Impending Doom is slow. I want things to die before that.
Should be good on Hades, though.
young gorge
Merciful end is such a good duo ughh
cunning urchin
I try to clear some small space around me as soon as he summons them: dash-strike to break it, dash out to avoid the damage.
main osprey
I accidentally broke it with my last dash
main osprey
still, almost beat him on my first talos run, and it wasn't even maxed out talos
cunning urchin
Nice.
Oh I didn't think demeter would net well
You'll want to get Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish on it. Then get Explosive Upper, ideally.
I was doing 750+ on average with Deadly Flourish for every buffed Demeter Explosive Uppercut.
In an AOE.
young gorge
OoOo that sounds like it hits like a truck with the right setup
cunning urchin
But don't take anything lower than Epic unless you have to. Patience.
Flying Cutter and Rush Kick are okay, too. Just don't take Quake Cutter.
Oh, you can't get Quake Cutter on Demeter Aspect anyway. Even more reason to use Demeter Aspect.
young gorge
Demeter aspect here I come
dense locust
The difference between Zag and Demeter aspect for me is that with demeter aspect, normal attacks are still very potent, but now you have more hammers open up to you and with the right build, you have this nuclear bomb of an uppercut (explosive upper and long knuckle 100% the best two)
cunning urchin
I'll take Breaching Cross over Long Knuckle.
turbid needle
You shouldn't.
Long Knuckle has far better range and each enemy hit by the extended attack counts individually for Giga Cutter, drastically cutting charge time if you ever get multiple enemies at once.
Breaching Cross stops scaling against enemies without armor.
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross has piercing, too, and melts armor, so you can keep everything in hitstun easily.
turbid needle
Malphon's Dash-Strike range is tiny.
cunning urchin
I don't have trouble dash-striking things with Malphon.
turbid needle
Spamming Dash-Strikes is good damage but for Aspect of Demeter building that charge is more important and Long Knuckle excels there.
cunning urchin
I guess I'll try Long Knuckle for Demeter Aspect, though. All the hits on multiple enemies counting for the Uppercut buff sounds pretty good.
torpid abyss
Unless you got lucky with loads of dodge and dash boons
I don't recommend relying too much
Although Athena's dash boon affect the dash special
That's what i love about Athena + Malphon
cunning urchin
Range has really never been an issue for me with Malphon's dash-strike.
stoic thicket
Oh my, got the Artemis Legendary without even gunning for it, just kinda happened.
Now all that's left from the fated list is Demeter.
stoic thicket
I just got Guan Yu fully unlocked, never used that thing before because it was too dicey for me. What build would I be looking to do? Artemis special and give 'em hell?
turbid needle
That's Baby's First Guan Yu, that or Divine Strike and Quick Spin.
stoic thicket
That low health total is really worrying me, have to say.
turbid needle
That's what the heals are for.
Guan Yu is Hard Mode up until you get one of its kinda-sorta-not-really busted builds, frankly.
stoic thicket
Ah well, have been playing on low heat exclusively and haven't died in like 30 runs or so. Yolo.
turbid needle
Will Battle Rage and Heaven's Vengeance proc a Vengeful Mood spawn?
Battle Rage being Ares's "After killing an enemy, +x% damage on your next Attack or Special."
No, requires a core Ares boon or the Revenge boon.
Teleporting Giant Vermin are not okay.
Not as bad as Teleporting Void Flamewheels, but not okay.
cunning urchin
Ouch.
turbid needle
It's the WKUK Abe Lincoln sketch all over again. "Help, he breakin' my butt!"
cunning urchin
Always fun when Hades hits you with practically everything, and Excalibur clears anyway. https://imgur.com/a/LQgIG1f
turbid needle
I love Ravenous Will.
cunning urchin
It's always nice to have, mostly because I don't really pick her primary boons much at all.
turbid needle
Cyclops Jerky is being a punk and won't let me highlight boons on the clear screen.
Each Volley was putting out just a little under 2k if it crit.
(you can fit three Volleys in one Chiron charge)
If Chiron and Piercing Volley were made to play together (despawn arrows upon target hit, c'monnnnn), this is an S-tier weapon.
cunning urchin
Yeah, Heartbreak Strike and Deadly Flourish is what I thought would be the best combo on Chiron. I haven't tried it myself yet, though.
viscid vale
i had a freeze last night in one of the first rooms, but i think it was my computer, i alted f4, it did nothing, i force stopped the PC and this morning everything was ok, turns out my last "save" registered was not from this aborted run but from the house of hades
it was in the heat rooms
dense locust
just to chime in on the Malphon demeter aspect "best in slot" hammer discussion, I wanna say that explosive upper is the best because it massively boosts the aoe along with damage and destroys almost any regular enemy, fully armored or otherwise. I will 99% of the time put long knuckle as the second best hammer (and arguably the better hammer to find first for demeter aspect before explosive upper) because it completely negates the risk of running in and attacking due to the range it provides. This makes your attack extremely flexible, and assuming demeter aspect, you can go nearly any gods attack and make it viable (i prefer athena attack, or secondary to that, demeter or aphordite). The priority for special should be artemis, but some other gods can also make it work. Breaching cross is best in all out attack builds in my opinion but could be better than long knuckle maybe 1% of the time
viscid vale
i was afraid it was gonna count my run as failed but apparently it didn't register it
the save was clearly from the end of the run before
so i'm still on a streak of 19 runs now
cunning urchin
Aborted runs are the same as when you "give up" a run.
The priority for special should be artemis
Heartbreak Flourish does the same or more damage. Deadly Flourish only wins on Flying Cutter (by ~150 damage on average for a fully charged one).
That's not taking into account tier 2 boons etc.
But it's really only between those two. The others are all a lot worse.
The closest after that in potential damage is Tempest Flourish, and that knockback is just really poor on Uppercut.
gentle oasis
I like Demeter's boon for your special with the Malphon Aspect: you bring them in then the chill slows them down enough that you can finish them before they can counter. Though, I would prefer Aphro every time.
cunning urchin
You mean Talos Aspect? That's the one with Magnet Cutter.
turbid needle
Get skunked, ya nerd.
neon fiber
wtf thanatos that’s your relative don’t reap her
turbid needle
Than isn't related to Demeter.
cunning urchin
'Tis only her boon.
neon fiber
He is, by Nix’s side
turbid needle
Diagram Nyx and Demeter being related to each other for me.
neon fiber
Sure it’s almost more of a distant relative thing but
turbid needle
Unless you're qualifying everyone as related since Chaos begat all of them...
neon fiber
No, i’m qualifying Thanatos because he was born of Nyx, and Demeter was born of the titans
They’re along the lines of distant cousins or so
turbid needle
Gotcha, from Chaos.
viscid vale
@cunning urchin if the game "gave up" my run,then how is it recording my current successful run as the 19th in a streak ?
i think it didn't save it
turbid needle
The game resets you to the last point it saved before starting the run.
Acts like nothing happened since you walked into the weapon courtyard.
neon fiber
... no, it’s because they’re essentially a generation apart
It’s less “they’re all from chaos” and more they’re close enough to be on the same family tree
cunning urchin
Yeah. If you "give up", it doesn't end your streak.
cunning urchin
Because.
neon fiber
I mean, hades’ laugh is kinda misleading in that regard
viscid vale
oh, ok, so it's normal i spawned in the courtyard, it technically counted my run but it's not in the stats or whatever
turbid needle
It did not count your run.
viscid vale
i'm still technically in my clears streak
turbid needle
The Escape Attempt count resets.
cunning urchin
It's like that attempt never happened.
turbid needle
You can check this by Quitting in the middle of a run and checking the EA count from the main menu.
viscid vale
nice to know, i thought for some reason the game hadn't saved my run
anyway i don't think it was my fault, probably my PC having some difficulty, some keys were not working properly then it froze
even alt F4 didn't work
cunning urchin
Yep. The run counting as failed is the intuitive outcome. Either the devs haven't implemented that yet for any reason or they don't intend to.
turbid needle
Eurydice ever give you the two perfect upgrades with Ambrosia Delight?
viscid vale
i mean, don't get me wrong, i'm very glad it doesn't count as failed
cunning urchin
Apparently speedrunners exploit the "give up" option to map a seed. So maybe that's a reason they haven't done that yet.
viscid vale
oh, i love Eurydice as much as i don't like Sisyphus, last run she boosted the 2 boons i had the most need of. Best thing tho is the stuff that gets 2 boons to the next rarity...i don't remember, who gives it ?
oh, ok, i see !
turbid needle
strange if you ask me, they keep nerfing or removing every other Speedrun option
viscid vale
lmao
cunning urchin
I like seeing Sisyphus.
viscid vale
i don't know about speedrun, but just imagine, this morning my run was 37 minutes long and for me it was speedy
i like that the time stops when in Eurydice's chamber
ah, i don't remember now, people know the game here so much better than me, what's the thing that upgrades 2 of your boons to the next rarity ? Is it Eurydice ?
turbid needle
Yup.
viscid vale
oh, yea, that's a godsend gift all right
turbid needle
Demeter also has a boon that resets a Boon to common and then slowly upgrades it to Heroic.
viscid vale
my run yesterday was so difficult, i was praying to come across Patroclus to replenish my DDs and obviously i didn't get to meet him
i have a question, i often tend to avoid the punishment pact "no-hit chambers" and the chaos rooms now, am i doing something utterly stupid ?
turbid needle
Not necessarily.
They're both high risk/high reward options.
Chaos less-so if you use Fated Persuasion.
viscid vale
yea...i feel like they add a lot of stress in my runs...and the last Chaos rooms i visited were not that great. Tho, i can't complain about the no hit chambers. One gave me a very effective Demeter attack boost
also, would you recommend visiting more than once a daedalus hammer room per run ?
turbid needle
You get up to two Hammers per run, and you almost always want both.
viscid vale
usually i'm very happy with one
turbid needle
Hammers are almost always gamechangers and run-definers.
cunning urchin
I didn't enter a single Chaos Gate nor Infernal Gate earlier when I cleared on 32 heat.
viscid vale
but if you've already got one very good hammer that defines your playstyle, should you still want to grab another ?
viscid vale
cause usually at some point i have to choose between an olympian boon and a second hammer, and last time i picked the boon
turbid needle
Hammers are also very insistent and will continue to eat up room spawns as long as they're available.
viscid vale
oh, true
turbid needle
They're not necessary, but it's like refusing to use Mushrooms in Mario Kart. Just a self-imposed challenge.
viscid vale
i mean, hammers are definitely game changing but they're not always great, for example sometimes i don't use my special a lot and i got hammers about the special
turbid needle
That's the exception, not the rule.
viscid vale
usually, i get a hammer very early in my run, so it's really about the second hammer, not the first
cunning urchin
Keep in mind anyway that you can skip hammers if the other reward is too valuable to skip, because the hammer will show up again.
viscid vale
oh, good advice, i'll remember
i noticed that god boons don't always come back
for example in Styx I always get gods i already picked, idk, if i put on a keepsake from another god, would it work ?
cunning urchin
If you don't have a second hammer before Styx, it will definitely show up in one of the tunnels.
viscid vale
it did
cunning urchin
Yes, keepsakes will force a God to appear.
cunning urchin
I don't know the exact odds, but the Gods whose boons you've already picked have a higher chance of appearing again.
viscid vale
i had so much difficulty yesterday at heat 4 with zagreus rail...and today at heat 7 with achilles spear it was so easy. I feel like i'm a spearman now :p even if my special is still not that used against big bosses
yea, in the Styx rooms i always have boons from gods i already picked
very often Hermes among them
i think i never had a different, unpicked god
last time was among the few times i got a hammer, cause i had skipped my second hammer
cunning urchin
There's always 1 Hermes boon at the shop in Styx.
viscid vale
oh, nice ! even if i didn't pick him at all before ?
viscid vale
Hermes pops up very often, i'm not complaining, epic boons from Hermes are so useful. More Dashes, more dodge, quicker attacks
cunning urchin
Well, somewhat similar to the hammer. He can show up again if you skip him. But you can only pick him up twice before Styx.
viscid vale
i really like the "no spin but continuous attack" for the spear. It's my favourite hammer by far
cunning urchin
Generally, you don't want to skip Hermes boons. They're extremely valuable.
turbid needle
Yeah, it's like Hammers, you're leaving damage/survivability on the table.
viscid vale
yea, he's not that majestic but he's damn useful. I prioritize him oftentimes now, but if he shows up every run..that means you can skip him sometimes
would you say it's more useful to change chambers or to change boons ? as a perk
i guess boons ?
cunning urchin
Valuable to the point that when I saw this earlier, I knew I was most certainly gonna win that run. https://imgur.com/a/EVi7wnE
viscid vale
yea, Hermes makes a run fun
i had 3 more dashes once i think. Plus Zeus lightning on every dash. It was so fun
cunning urchin
I would say Persuasion is better at least until you have a lot of Darkness to max out either one. At that point, I'm not sure. I've only 2 rolls for Persuasion or 4 rolls for Authority, and those 2 Persuasion rolls have been more valuable to me.
turbid arch
Yeah, Hermes has some amazing boons. Greatest Reflex, Flurry Cast, Quick Reload, those are amazing (among others)
On the other hand, drift dash....that one makes me sad.
turbid needle
I'd rather have Common Drift Dash than Common Greatest Reflex.
viscid vale
i like to be able to change chambers, but i feel like everytime i used it, it only changed my chamber to "darkness chamber" or "gems chamber", or "key chamber", which is not u-mazing
turbid needle
Not as many i-frames but I find the movement much better compared to only 3 dashes.
Might be different with Ruthless Reflex, though.
cunning urchin
I'd skip a common Greatest Reflex in hopes of getting rare or epic later.
viscid vale
so, drift dash isn't that useful, is it ?
turbid needle
No.
Drift Dash is very good, but it's significantly harder to use than Greatest Reflex.
And Rare and better GR is definitely better.
cunning urchin
Any movement option from Hermes makes evading attacks like Hades's spin a whole lot easier.
viscid vale
thanks @turbid needle !
Hades attacks are very difficult to dodge for me
i always need some pretty good HP before going there
turbid needle
Don't try to dodge away from him when he's about to spin, dodge perpendicular to his vector of approach or through him (through him may require more than two dashes).
viscid vale
yea, thats why i don't like the hammer that shortens your dashes :p
cunning urchin
Also pay attention to what he's doing, his attack patterns aren't entirely random. So don't be right on top of him when he's going to spin any moment unless you're confident you can zerg him into his next phase before then.
And don't dash mindlessly or you won't have dashes available to get out.
turbid needle
That is the single-best piece of advice I think this entire game has to offer.
👏 Control 👏 Your 👏 Dashing 👏
mossy breach
I always get more dashes, even if its only +1 its a massive difference for me
neon fiber
yeah
being accurate with your dashes can literally be the difference between beating a run or not
viscid vale
gotta go FAST
mossy breach
a question about Hermes "Bad News": do i always get the damage bonus if my cast cant be lodged like dyonisus?
neon fiber
nope
viscid vale
i think despite having to wait every 3 seconds, i still use my cast more than my spear Special, which makes no sense since i'm using Achilles spear. I should be rushing special everyhere
i use it but it's still too slow against major bosses, i find
cunning urchin
If it works, keep doing what you're doing.
cunning urchin
Go go go!
turbid needle
@mossy breach Yes, you do.
Just a free +50% on Slicing Shot, Trippy Shot, and Crystal Beam.
dry ember
Just woke up and it seems like @cunning urchin got to 32. Grats!
stoic thicket
Man this is so sad. Heroic level Greatest Reflex, Epic Athena attack and Artemis dash, and the game does not give me Spread Fire...
Now I understand why that green Fated Authority thingy is so good.
mossy breach
you cant use fated authority on hammers though
proven robin
::shrug!:: This is part of why I never go in with a set plan.
I try to work off what they give me, but...hey. If I can use pretty much anything, that's as much of a win, and more tactically diverse.
stoic thicket
Oh, really? Doesn't work on hammers?
Well nevermind then.
I'm fairly confident that I'm still gonna win that run, it would have just moved the needle from pretty decent to amazing.
cunning urchin
Authority works on Hammers; that's the one that rerolls chamber rewards. Persuasion doesn't work on hammers.
glad island
Cause they're Hammer tho
I failed my run
Traps in satyrs holes don't forgive with the pact on
-150hp
and my two last lives went into those holes
proven robin
Yeah, that's why I will neeeeeever take that Pact ever again.
Though in my case it's the lava in Asphodel
cunning urchin
Sometimes in Asphodel, you get to choose between being bombed or dashing on magma.
Better when the magma does only standard damage.
cunning urchin
You mean a Chaos boon?
restive solar
I like the bonus trap damage pact
flat brook
dear lord, that's the absolute worst one for me haha
restive solar
It’s punishing, but it helps enforce the need to habitually dodge traps
flat brook
makes the inconsequencial 5 damage i take every now and then into a whooping 20 damage
restive solar
Without the pact, you can be lazy and accept getting hit by traps every once in a while even though you really shouldn’t
With the pact, you really have to learn to position better
flat brook
i dreamt of a weapon aspect that lets you powerdash, just like with the bow
like harps dash in pyre
cunning urchin
Heightened Security is fun until you play on high heat and realize that you really don't want to lose a run to a single trap.
Also Asphodel.
restive solar
I honestly never noticed that it impacted Asphodel
I play with heightened security constantly, so I assumed lava always chunked
still ocean
some of them give you ||another keepsake, in the locked boxes at the top down of the trinket||
turbid arch
@glad island It gives you the warm fuzzy feeling in your stomach that only close friendship to decent people can give you.
viscid vale
i need 2500 gems please
i want to decorate a place
2500 gems being the bare minimum ofc
dry ember
Heightened Security can insta gib you. 120 damage arrow 150 falling blade is no joke.
still ocean
dry ember
Especially at higher heat options where the screen is way more chaotic.
elfin ledge
does hermes swift flourish make aspect of zeus proc faster or move faster or does it just make deploying it faster?
proven robin
I tested it, and...it doesn't seem to make it attack or move faster.
So I'd say it's probably a "dead boon" as far as that goes.
Well, it might move faster, but it definitely doesn't attack faster as far as I noticed.
lament coral
it should fly out and back faster
pliant palm
Isn't that a bad thing, then ?
lament coral
yes
proven robin
I guess I didn't notice because I had a Hermes boon that increased my move speed.
rare salmon
I think this is still my favorite build.
https://i.imgur.com/mExvzk8.png
proven robin
Niiiice!
rare salmon
It came together at the end with Cold Fusion and Poseidon Legendary. But even with the Special and Sea Storm, you're doing loads of damage.
This was with Chaos Aspect Shield.
covert terrace
Varatha special only going well so far
proven robin
It is a good special!
viscid vale
i finished my run with 6 HP. oof
covert terrace
YES I DID IT, MY FIRST FULL RUN WITH VARATHA
viscid vale
i hate shortened dashes
covert terrace
OMG
viscid vale
gg !!!
viscid vale
i'm on a 21 victories streak
covert terrace
oic
viscid vale
mostly spear
covert terrace
same 😂
viscid vale
i just changed keybinds
i was tired of clicking to attack
i was very special oriented
spear's special is...well, special. It's slow and different
covert terrace
mhm
viscid vale
plus spear has this very slow spin
which can be interrupted...
and spear's attacks are somewhat slower
so i hated spear
covert terrace
yeah hardly get to do the spin
viscid vale
i preferred the sword and bow and fists
viscid vale
special is so slow for me...i wanted to use it a lot against my last bosses in my last run cause my dashes were shortened
but...it was slow
covert terrace
aw
raw violet
guan yu special makes a special only run a walk in the park
viscid vale
guan yu is different, i use achilles
covert terrace
perhaps zeus' jolt boon helped slow the undead for me, so that sort of accomodated for its slow attack
viscid vale
guan yu...idk man, probably i should level it up a lot, cause i feel tired of having to do the ballerina to stay alive
i would use it if it gave more base HP
covert terrace
hang on, i'll get the full build uploaded in a min
viscid vale
i prefer the swords to guan yu
raw violet
the hp loss is pretty punishing til you get it to 5
turbid needle
finishing w guan yu the first time was a nailbiter ngl
raw violet
but -50 is pretty manageable
viscid vale
i love the fact that Achilles spear can make you move fast in unexpected places, cause the dashes can't take you as far. It's just, i think I'm far from using it to top potential. I use it slowly.
(the special)
raw violet
and is a consequence i'm willing to pay for the powerful moveset
turbid needle
i feel that way abt hermes dash boost
it can be clutch or it can rocket you into lava
viscid vale
the thing is, with the spear, i just love the attack and dash strike, i also use the cast. and the spin. So in that quick game there's not much room left for the subtleties of the double achilles special
flat brook
Now get splitting bolt too
splitting bolt for some reason doesn't activate with sea storm's lightnings
proven robin
Spin attack got a LOT better after someone informed me that you can activate the spin by dashing instead of just releasing the button.
viscid vale
the spear has this thing confusing that it shares with the rail, that it's more varied, you have to remember more styles
flat brook
Spin attack got a LOT better after someone informed me that you can activate the spin by dashing instead of just releasing the button.
that alone makes hades aspect playable
proven robin
So you can range it out way better and even stay inside Guan Yu's "shredding barrier" so to speak.
flat brook
yeah, kinda sad
viscid vale
the hammer "shortened dashes" nearly ruined my 21st clear
dry ember
SE is good on like Hades Aspect
viscid vale
i really wanted Hermes to come to my help..;but then he offered me his worst boons
dry ember
Where you actually use your attacks
turbid needle
chain skewer + zeus is best spear build
viscid vale
congrats, thats impressive !
i never once focused on spear's special
and i think i did at least 10 spear runs in the past days
proven robin
Oh, the special for the spear is excellent!
You have to be careful using it with Achilles.
But even so it is very effective.
viscid vale
lol, i just checked my stats, i did 12 clears with spear, and the next most used weapon is...the rail (4 clears)
pretty CLEAR preference
turbid needle
i like spear most but im tied shield and fists for most clears x:
covert terrace
haha i still can't get the hang of rail
viscid vale
same tbh, i thought i had it but last run with the rail was a pure nightmare
i thought i was gonna die in Tartarus
covert terrace
that bad huh
viscid vale
i got used to it slowly but it was really bad
turbid needle
me too
viscid vale
i think its because i changed my keybinds
turbid needle
took a bunch of runs t get the hang of reloading
flat brook
spear was the 2nd weapon i unlocked and i thought it was pretty good
then i played with the other weapons and realized that spear was the worst for me lol
turbid needle
lol
viscid vale
i think the rail is very bad for me at the moment because 1° I changed my keybinds that worked with the rail 2° oh my god i really need the "don't have to reload" hammer asap
(i didn't use it last time)
covert terrace
the 3 shot burst no need reload hammer ?
viscid vale
yea
covert terrace
ah
flat brook
spoilers: delta chamber actually reduces your damage
viscid vale
having to reload put a pressure i wasn't dealing with very effectively
flat brook
try zag aspect, with 24 bullets you need to reload a lot less
viscid vale
to be honest, i felt in my last run that rail's attack was subpar in terms of damage
i had zag's aspect, 16 bullets, and i still suckeeed
proven robin
@covert terrace Good luck! It's very flexible, but that flexibility comes at the cost of requiring you to be more aware of what you're doing.
I love the Rail. You have treat it like a longer-ranged version of the fists.
viscid vale
with my rail's attack, i was taking time to defeat the little bombs...the humiliation
mystic vale
Any Rail run where I did not get either Triple Bomb, Rocket, or Spread Fire has failed. Thankfully, it's really hard not to get any of them - if you survive to the second hammer.
proven robin
At least as far as how to properly boost its attack.
turbid needle
i took hestia instead and started spamming dash attack -> reload
raw violet
rail is pretty at the mercy of hammer upgrades for both attack and special
turbid needle
onward to bonus dmg glory
viscid vale
yea, i think the rail requires precision with your build, same with the bow. Whereas i feel like the other weapons let you a little more free
flat brook
rail is very hammer dependant to keep up with damage after tartarus
proven robin
Also, just dropping zones of damage with the mortar special is important if you're trying to get space.
viscid vale
i think you're right Constantino lol cause my damage just plain sucked
mystic vale
Oh, I've won with Inescapable Blast too, actually. Especially with Trippy Shot.
proven robin
Inescapable Blast can be very helpful!
Like, honesty, any of the Hammer mods can be useful, but you have to know how to work them.
viscid vale
i remember having a quite fun run with the rail where i ended up bombing Hades with gusto, but last time was horrendous
flat brook
Like, honesty, any of the Hammer mods can be useful, but you have to know how to work them.
hazard bomb flashbacks
mystic vale
IB is great when you have a slow but powerful Cast, or just need something to sit still for a moment.
viscid vale
honestly hammer can ruin your run
mystic vale
I will stand by Hazard Bomb + Ruthless Reflex until the end of days. :p
viscid vale
the options are pretty different and when you're experimenting...
mystic vale
Pretty much constant +50% dodge and damage? OKAY.
flat brook
I will stand by Hazard Bomb + Ruthless Reflex until the end of days. :p
the scientific name for that is masochism
covert terrace
@covert terrace Good luck! It's very flexible, but that flexibility comes at the cost of requiring you to be more aware of what you're doing.
@proven robin thank you, only one way to find out what you mean by that : ')
mystic vale
Glorious self-sacrifice FOR THE EMPEROR?
proven robin
I guess you will!
mystic vale
Microsoft is trying hard to make Edge happen.
vague patrol
Hmm... I find Edge to be sufficient actually.
mystic vale
I don't trust the security of anything MS releases.
vague patrol
At least in the major I'm studying (archaeology), it's much easier to collapse/save the tabs open in a window with Edge. In chrome I require to save them all to the bar one by one and it feels tedious
mystic vale
I've yet to even hear of a version of Explorer/Edge that didn't have an exploitable security deficiency within 72 hours of release.
cunning urchin
That's very off-topic.
mystic vale
I'm the worst.
vague patrol
It occured to me while studying ancient greek, wouldn't it be really cool to have a Greek VA or at least text translation for Hades 👀
turbid needle
lol i wondered that too
it would be fun to have a different dub language, even though i love the english vas
do the bonus shields for chaos aspect fire at fixed angles?
flat brook
i don't think it's always exact, but it tends to be in a star shape
main osprey
It's pretty consistent, I believe
cunning urchin
the thing is, with the spear, i just love the attack and dash strike, i also use the cast. and the spin. So in that quick game there's not much room left for the subtleties of the double achilles special
@viscid vale Achilles Aspect is in fact all about Attack and Cast. The Special is supplementary to boost your Attack and Cast damage and to move you about. It's not your primary source of damage. The other three aspects are better suited to a Special build.
flat brook
yeah, it's not fixed but it doesn't sway much from the usual, it's generally 3 in the front and 2 in the back
proven robin
They do seem to ricochet towards enemies, though.
dry ember
How is Hades suited for Special build?
I thought you pick Hades for the Attack Spin and the Dashstrike?
cunning urchin
Punishing Sweep adds +150% damage to both Attack and Special.
It also doesn't have decreased Special range like Achilles Aspect. So it's a lot better suited for a Special build than Achilles Aspect.
dry ember
But the fact that you are so close for Sweep means you will more likely to dash for positioning and warrant more dash strikes?
Special is fine but the animation for the throw and recall can be risky.
cunning urchin
Well, I didn't say a Special build on it was optimal.
dry ember
The other three aspects are better suited to a Special build.
Maybe I misunderstood?
raw violet
i think she's just saying that achilles is the worst aspect if you wanted to just huck your spear around
cunning urchin
Correct.
proven robin
Yeah, Achilles is for a caster or someone who likes to attack.
Like...do Raging Rush and then double-cast Blizzard Shot.
And then giggle as anyone who blunders into the damage zone just dies instantly.
dry ember
Thanks for the context.
cunning urchin
Achilles Aspect is the one that Stagmaster's been using. So that's the context.
raw violet
the spear aspects not called guan yu are generally my least favorite but achilles has really grown on me
dry ember
I just don't get Guan Yu
Are you supposed to keep a distance using it?
I see it playing more like a bow
But not sure
raw violet
there's two ways you can flexibly build it for pretty easy runs
either artemis special and charged skewer
or athena attack and quick spin
vague patrol
It has more to do with the life steal thing I suppose. Didn't have much chance to try it out though.
cunning urchin
If you get both, you get a chance at Deadly Reversal.
raw violet
spam spin attacks and stand in your spinning life stealing shield for a super safe run
or stay at a distance and spam special to throw nuclear bombs around the map
it's pretty dependent on hammers, but going either direction gives you the flexibility that you're likely to get at least one of those hammers during a run
raw violet
artemis and charged skewer alone can get you 1k crits pretty regularly
and the hitbox of the spear throw is like...50% of the screen
like throwing a mack truck at enemies
but yeah, you're right, it plays a lot like a bow
a stronger bow that doesn't require timing
proven robin
Guan Yu is very good from a distance, but less of one than the bow.
It has a different style.
dry ember
How much blood should I put in?
young gorge
all
viscid vale
@cunning urchin thanks for the advice ! 🙂
cunning urchin
Average damage per Charged Skewer with Deadly Flourish is about 280.
dry ember
-60% Health is kinda steep
proven robin
Yeah, you wanna max that thing out before you even touch it.
dry ember
I'll try a Charged Skewer and DF run. Have some prophecies to complete anyhow.
raw violet
the irony is the more you get used to using it, the less the health penalty matters, but for a first run, -50 health is preferable
i mean, i guess that's true for everything
viscid vale
i dreamt of becoming archeologist as a kid @vague patrol so now that i'm in law school i guess i deputize you to accomplish my dream 
sorry for the brief off topic
raw violet
guan yu doesn't have access to some hammer upgrades, so keep that in mind for some of your prophecies
main osprey
-70% wasn't too bad, but getting the fast spin hammer was essential
viscid vale
guan yu improves your base HP if you level it up ?
if so, i MUST do it
even if i dislike the spin
cunning urchin
I had some numbers wrong, actually. Average should be about 260.
viscid vale
more accurately, i love the spin when i don't HAVE to spin and i use it as a luxury attack
main osprey
Guan Yu, the spin is basically mandatory (in my experience)
viscid vale
when enemies are polite enough to let you prepare to hit them
raw violet
if you have FO2, quick spin is a necessity for guan yu
everything will stagger you out inbetween spins otherwise
viscid vale
yea that's why guan yu is not for me
lament coral
GY can work wonders off its special
main osprey
Also true
main osprey
unless you get hit
raw violet
just an occasional luxury spin while enemies are spawning
lament coral
other than for heals, that is
viscid vale
i fail at the no hit challenge, sadly
raw violet
with a special build, it's not too hard to not get hit
viscid vale
i always get hit at some point
raw violet
enemies can't hit you when they die in one throw
viscid vale
i guess my slowness also explains my poor catch of fish
raw violet
it's the very definition of glass cannon
graceful smelt
good build for guan yu spear or the regular shield
smoky wolf
Yeah pretty sure slowness is a word
viscid vale
i have words, the best words
i'm glad it's "slowness" and not "slenght"
it's unpretty
dry ember
Remember coolth is a word, it means the opposite of warmth.
viscid vale
that's coolth
i'm so proud i have succeded in dating Than, Zagreus is still in Hell but at least he's got a fully decorated bedroom with even a boyfriend deco
my little pea is becoming a man
cries in Dusa
altho, i say it often, but i'm desperate to get more gems each run
cunning urchin
artemis and charged skewer alone can get you 1k crits pretty regularly
@raw violet Epic Deadly Flourish with Charged Skewer will crit for 570 at best. You'll need more than just those two to hit 1k crits—or maybe with a lot of levels in Deadly Flourish, I don't know how poms scale. You'd need quite a lot more than the +80% damage you can find at best on Epic Deadly Flourish, anyway.
dry ember
Backstab and Privileged Status damage maybe
cunning urchin
That's not enough.
Charged Skewer + Breaching Skewer would crit over 1k.
1158~1170.
raw violet
maybe that was hyperbole
chaos boons, family fav, clean kill probably help
hard to get priv status when you're only throwing deadly flourish skewers
cunning urchin
Fiery Presence should be better than Shadow if you're aiming for one-hit kills, too.
raw violet
i switch back and forth between both, i haven't quite figured out what i prefer
cunning urchin
I have a simple solution to that: I don't do EM3.
dry ember
But I want Meg to hang out with her sisters more.
raw violet
that's EM1 though
dry ember
And Asterius deserves that armor
cunning urchin
No, I do EM2. I just don't do EM3.
dry ember
The Hydra can f itself though
cunning urchin
I'm getting a lot better at dealing with Lernie.
It's everything else in Asphodel that hurts me unless I have Divine everything (at the very least Divine Dash usually).
By "everything else" I am referring only to bombs.
dry ember
Power Couple
dry ember
With FO and MM
proven robin
I've gotten a bit better at fighting EM2 and EM3.
raw violet
i have a hard time telling where lernie is trying to slam his head when you have the 5 hydras up too
cunning urchin
No, the power couple is fine unless I'm being greedy.
raw violet
that's the only part i really need to learn on em2
dry ember
The Gorgon Head teleports behind you
Nothing personnel kid
Stun you. f
cunning urchin
Lernie is slamming his head on the other end of the room because I'm getting the kupo away from him when he comes close.
cosmic drum
I have a question! Do the final tunnels before Hades boss count as encounters ?
raw violet
i don't think it's consistent
proven robin
They do for Rare Crop.
Not for Pinned Butterfly or Lambent Plume, I don't think, except for the final rooms.
raw violet
for keepsakes, an entire tunnel only counts as 1 encounter
raw violet
but yes for rare crop or well items
cunning urchin
I basically go clockwise or counterclockwise and keep hitting heads where Lernie's main head is not.
dry ember
If you ever feel useless in life, remember Lumbent Plume can stack if you kill Hades fast enough.
cunning urchin
"Skipping" the yellow ones, then I go back one head once the yellow ones did their head slam.
raw violet
that's what i usually do but it's just avoiding lernie, i kinda just want to be able to stay in the thick of things
cunning urchin
Well, you can't hit the main head anyway. So there's no point in staying close.
raw violet
i was trying to use the tunnel rooms to level up keepsakes I wasn't using but i couldn't tell if they counted or not
mighty ermine
yeah i'm honestly not sure about keepsake leveling in that context
raw violet
but if i want to kill all the hydra heads quickly, sometimes i don't have a choice
it's a just a learning experience
cunning urchin
The only time I stay close for a moment is after the main head just did its head slam anyway.
My only keepsake that's still at Lv.2 is Poseidon's. I think that says something about Poseidon.
raw violet
and testing some sea storm builds
which are super fun
but really underwhelming for the number of requirements
cunning urchin
I want to test Tempest Flourish on Eris when I've maxed it out.
Maybe a big AOE that slams everything into walls will be entertaining.
If only knockback wasn't so bad in Asphodel.
cunning urchin
Do they take extra damage from Magma with the Shackle?
cunning urchin
It only says rubble.
raw violet
they take extra damage from spike traps
dry ember
Also traps
raw violet
so i think it's all traps
cunning urchin
Oh interesting.
That might be a fun strategy.
Eris or Hades Aspect are next for me, I think.
magic dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694327507910131714/713829842948194334/20200523120237_1.jpg
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I think this is a pretty good build
cunning urchin
That's a lot of Doom.
magic dagger
phase 5 of the final boss lasted ~ 10 sec.
The first thing he did was spinny lasers, so I just stood in front of him with a shield.
Greater Zeus call + splitting bolt + 3 auto revenge boons = win
dry ember
Phase 5 of the fin boss
This man be living in the future with EM4
cunning urchin
I've tried making one revenge build, but it requires too much to really force it, and you need something until you get Vengeful Mood and those revenge boons.
I usually avoid most revenge boons now except Holy Shield for survivability. The others usually don't do anything because the AOE is so small.
Sometimes I'll grab one if it's epic and I don't want the other boons that are offered really.
restive solar
Revenge boons = cash
dry ember
Preach
cunning urchin
Yeah lol.
mossy breach
wasnt there a video of someone killing hades only with revenge boons?
cunning urchin
Probably.
dry ember
Yeah
cunning urchin
Dying Lament, by the way, is very underrated.
dry ember
Haelian
He just facetanked Hades
And Hades died
Is Dying Lament the one that inflicts Weak when anoother enemy dies?
cunning urchin
Yes.
dry ember
Yeah it's OK. It's a good rat killer
raw violet
Vengeful mood is hilariously trolly
Also not a terrible pickup on chaos aspect with ares attack and Zeus special
cunning urchin
Enemies that are killed by it trigger it, too, I think. So it does some excellent damage.
magic dagger
This man be living in the future with EM4
@dry ember phase 5 is shorter than "phase two, second half"
dry ember
Yeah. I understand what you mean.
cunning urchin
Isn't that phase 6 then? I don't really know. I just punch a lot until he dies for good (again).
raw violet
EM4 is Hades summoning EM3 Theseus and Minotaur
dry ember
My body is not ready for that
raw violet
Hades has 3 phases in 1st and 2 phases 2nd
dry ember
That had better worth at least 4 heat.
cunning urchin
EM4 is Hades summoning EM3 Theseus and Minotaur
Time to Alt+F4 and play some Bastion or something.
dry ember
But seriously, will we have EM4?
raw violet
The notes say they’re working on more EM levels
dry ember
Oh nice
cunning urchin
EM4 will equip the Furies with shotguns.