it would be interesting to have them all to completely submit an enemy though
#h1-builds-and-combat
gaunt tundra
but yeah, if we are going to take them all the same, we might as well just use doom and call it a day
gaunt tundra
definitely
i had no damage when i took exagryph with doom
literally i was being mauled by the end of the run cause i took forever
lapis matrix
The others provides more benefits at least
gaunt tundra
i also took the boon that delayed the doom proc a bit, lets be honest there
lapis matrix
Even then
cunning urchin
If you lose Privileged Status before the hit that reapplies Doom and don't lose it at all with Drunken Strike, Curse of Agony still comes out ahead. It's only a difference of 9.5 damage, which is not enough for Hangover to match Doom.
lapis matrix
It's still a problem
gaunt tundra
doom all around seems better suited for close range weapons that must hit and run
instead of a full dps fast weapon
gaunt tundra
the lance too i guess
cunning urchin
Might be different on other weapons. But you're not applying all 5 stacks before the first Hangover tic anyway. Zag Aspect Malphon is very fast and does "only" ~4.75 hits a second.
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony actually gives Malphon the best DPS on attack, only considering attack boons without other bonuses.
gaunt tundra
still, i would give doom a small %damage component
to help give it a bit more of oomph
that small dps increase doesn't compensate not being able to curse i think
lapis matrix
I guess that might be nice
gaunt tundra
or just let the doom mark curse too and call it a day
lapis matrix
I thought it does
lapis matrix
It might be because the uptime is too short
gaunt tundra
i think that it's because the game doesn't consider it a status effect
just a delayed damage instance
by that rule hangover shouldn't be a status either :/
cunning urchin
I don't use Privileged Status anyway, so it makes no difference to me.
gaunt tundra
it does help a lot, in my experience
even more when you just have one of those weird runs where you only get one god, but nothing significant out of it
lapis matrix
True
unkempt pagoda
doom counts as curse for privileged
lapis matrix
Artemis seems to be a pretty good god to mix
gaunt tundra
it does? never saw the cursed mark when applying it
turbid arch
Why not use privileged status though
lapis matrix
The uptime is pretty short so you might not notice
turbid arch
It's easy 40% extra damage for two debuffs, which is easy to get
unkempt pagoda
it’s in the tooltip for doom, it’s a status curse
gaunt tundra
yeah, but i mean, i'm constantly reapplying it, so even if the window is short, i should've seen it
turbid arch
compared to that, you would need to meet 7 gods with the other option to get to 42% damage
gaunt tundra
yeah, that's what was weird as hell, why didn't it proc curse with aphrodite and ares?
lapis matrix
You can only get like 5 in a normal run
unkempt pagoda
i mean
gaunt tundra
yeah, weird build, rng be like that i know
lapis matrix
It should
unkempt pagoda
i’ve seen it multiple times
turbid arch
Maybe doom proced without you noticing?
lapis matrix
Ares and Aphrodite does have that duo boon
lapis matrix
Which is kind of bad to be honest
unkempt pagoda
the symbol that looks like a square with a bright flash on it
lapis matrix
I mean I've seen it
unkempt pagoda
yep, doom def procs privileged
lapis matrix
Perhaps you had the wrong perk?
unkempt pagoda
the cool thing about it is that the doom gets the +40% damage as well
gaunt tundra
it doesn't go much further from that, i had doom normal attack and i think it was apro special
lapis matrix
Ares is kind of lack luster for me
gaunt tundra
and i kept spamming to reapply on exagryph
turbid arch
Ares and Poseidon are tied together for the worst gods in the game right now for me.
cunning urchin
With Divine Strike and Hunter Dash on Malphon, Privileged Status doesn't really do anything most of the time. I might try it with Curse of Agony + Divine Dash, though.
lapis matrix
Poseidon is good for other reasons
turbid arch
Poseidon has strong damage, but he has nothing else
and you need a lot of development to get there.
lapis matrix
True
gaunt tundra
poseidon i find it good in some weapons like sword, lance and shield
lapis matrix
His casts always seem weak to me
turbid arch
At the same time, he has a lot of bad boons. Oceans bounty, sunken treasure and his Aid which bugs out half the time
gaunt tundra
with malphon the knockback is a bit troublesome sometimes
lapis matrix
Without the duo boons
turbid arch
His cast is weak but with demeter it becomes amazin
gaunt tundra
i kinda feel poseidon is mean to go with zeus most of the time
gaunt tundra
by itself i don't see it doing much
lapis matrix
Eh
turbid arch
Poseidon fodderizes styx
gaunt tundra
congrats on win fl4k
lapis matrix
Yup
desert nacelle
ty 
cunning urchin
Congrats!
desert nacelle
i was
gaunt tundra
i unlocked guan yu yesterday and i don't know how to take it
might not use it yet, -70% max hp is a bit unforgiving
lapis matrix
Guan Yu has that spin
gaunt tundra
and healing*
gaunt tundra
need to upgrade it before use
lapis matrix
That's fair
cunning urchin
Lv.1 Guan Yu is doable and fun if your heat is still low. Definitely a lot better at Lv.5, though.
desert nacelle
i found everything else
lapis matrix
Yup
desert nacelle
but not stacking
desert nacelle
it still rise the dmg with 3dash attacks anyway
cunning urchin
Divine Strike makes you practically invincible when standing inside the spin.
lapis matrix
True
cunning urchin
While leeching HP.
gaunt tundra
i don't feel confident enough to go with 30hp to any run, even without heat XD
lapis matrix
The spear crits for 500 I think?
With the max spin
And since it hits for multiple times
gaunt tundra
it can get crazy if the enemy stands still it seems
lapis matrix
I mean it can demolish a group of enemies with the mark
lapis matrix
Eh, Ares cast is a bit weak for me
cunning urchin
Max charge Guan Yu spin is 50 base damage every 0.5 sec.
lapis matrix
Even with the duo boon
desert nacelle
duo boon with artemis?
cunning urchin
Rare Deadly Strike would crit for 189~195 damage. But without other attack damage buffs, the DPS will be behind other boons like Heartbreak Strike.
lapis matrix
That’s fair
turbid arch
Ares is an even worse offender than Poseidon.
Half of his boons are borderline useless unless you get to develop them fully.
What makes him worse than Poseidon is that his boons do not synergize with each other at all.
On one hand you have his doom related stuff, Attack, special, revenge counter, two modifiers
On the other hand, you have his blade rift boons, all of which are useless unless you get more of them
And then there are urge to kill and battle rage, which, while not useless, are not really helpful in advancing your build.
Battle Rage is hilarious, though. On certain weapons.
I could scream everytime both of them decide to show up together.
To make THAT particular matter worse, they don't even have a nice duo boon together to clean up the mess both of them will make out of your build.
desert nacelle
I'm not agree
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot is nice on melee.
desert nacelle
Merciful end?
desert nacelle
ye its 50
turbid arch
And it has a lower rate of appearing than other duo boons if memory serves
desert nacelle
I remember my first clearing was 
The default non upgradet bow
with 14lvl of vine boon and duo with Aphrodite
gaunt tundra
mine was the other day
gryph triple rocket launcher artemis
also dio normal attack, but also festive mist + dio legendary
things just naturally melted
lapis matrix
Mine was gryph with the dio and Demeter boobs
desert nacelle
boobs 
lapis matrix
Fair enough
novel prawn
Eh, Ares cast is a bit weak for me
@lapis matrix Sry for coming in late with this, but
I think Ares cast is decent if you upgrade it a bit and use multiple cast charges. The worst part about it is leaving yourself open by having to get close to enemies in order to get the most value out when throwing your cast, especially since the blade rift doesn't stagger the enemy. But you can shred at least the small ranged enemies apart very fast with them, for example.
and even big mobs too, you can at least take half their health this way
lapis matrix
I find the trouble lies in bosses
novel prawn
other than that... Ares is kind of situational... the doom boon I usually take only on things that are slow, like railgun special
neon fiber
yeah
ares' cast needs the blender enhancing boons to be good
if you get enough of those it becomes insane though
blenders are in a weird place in that they are meh without enhancing and stupid good when enhanced
they go from 0 to 100
gaunt tundra
just like ares
gray lintel
desert nacelle
aryieks
turbid arch
I feel like they should drop doom and just focus on bladerifts everything for Ares
Give blade rift attack/specials!
gaunt tundra
make bladerift give doom to hurt enemies, and doomed enemies spawn bladerift upon dying
mossy breach
thats a never ending loop
opal bay
ares blades are great especially with hunting blades duo with artemis
it drains up a lot of health in one go
turbid arch
Not "Ares Blades" are great with Artemis.
Only his cast.
You know what would make me want to pick up Ares' Wrath up more?
If instead of turning you into a Blade Rift, Zagreus would summon a humongously huge one instead
gaunt tundra
would be cool if the cast landing on someone summoned all existing rift to that one
neon fiber
triggering doom on an enemy also summons a short lived blade rift on their location
boom
here's your new legenedary ares boon sgg
turbid arch
I remember the golden age of Ares having one of the if not the worst legendary in the game.
turbid arch
I need to think really hard.
I think it was that your doom effects on a target would grow stronger
as they take damage from your blade rifts.
Basicly an attempt to tie together these two messes that make for Ares' god kit.
Of course that did not work out for a lot of reasons.
Doom not lasting long enough to get a significant impact
blade rifts not being reliable enough unless you have Artemis Hunting Blades
The inherent need of needing a doom boon, a blade rift boon and a blade rift passive in order to even be able to get it
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot is great on Malphon without any passives. You're point-blank a lot of the time anyway.
turbid arch
Yeah, but if you are in PB range with Malphon.....
cunning urchin
I don't get out of my way to get it, but it's the only cast I actually bother throwing when I do get it.
turbid arch
....why not just punch the target?
turbid arch
Which you could be doing a better job at with a regular cast stone stuck in the enemy.
cunning urchin
I can cast and zip away and attack another target while the bladerift takes care of enemies there.
neon fiber
slicing shot an enemie while punching them = bigger burst damage than lodging a stone on em
cunning urchin
That too.
turbid arch
If you throw a regular ares cast stone that kills your enemy by itself, there is a good chance that you would have killed almost all enemies in the time it takes to get the cast stone off as well.
And of course, this is assuming that the enemy stands still.
Which most enemies don't. Numbskulls zipping around, gorgons and witches searching the closest magmapool to hover over, all Asphodel Enemies JUMPING AROUND LIKE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
Good luck with slicing shot then and there.
But those are just cases where having Slicing shot is just "not good"
There is actually a case where having slicing shot is actually harmful
and that would be playing the rail.
The regular cast is the only reliable and quick way to make enemies flinch.
neon fiber
behold my ares wisdom
flinching an enemy doesn't matter if you kill them before they can hit you
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot has the most damage potential out of any Lv.1 cast. I think you're downplaying it a whole lot.
turbid arch
I am not. But the damage is just not practical.
And you lose out damage potencial for it as well.
neon fiber
problem with base slicing shot is that it's a bit janky to use when compared to other casts, only demeter is jankier
also
desert nacelle
Is this new Hades weapon? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571973349710888981/712627136552501258/e9751f70529ab798f24f2ab709d542dd.png
neon fiber
one of the potentially strongest casts dps-wise at base level
loose damage potential
u wot m8
turbid arch
Assuming epic slicing shot, your slicing shot needs to tick at least 5 times to break even with your regular cast
And that is not accounting for the extra damage you would get from having a cast stone stuck in your enemy.
novel prawn
it does have less damage in that sense, but that's because it's aoe.... same deal with dyonisos cast, which is aoe, but doesn't stick to enemies
cunning urchin
It tics every 0.1 seconds.
turbid arch
Yeah, but Dionysus is an easily targetable 100 to 140 burst damage
mossy breach
but dyonisios is burst damage
turbid arch
that also CC's enemies standing in it.
I would also go and argue that Dionysus has far superior duo boons for his cast than Ares for Slicing shot
novel prawn
I still miss dyonisos cast pretty often tho, especially against mobs in Asphodel
well yeah, the CC part kind of helps a lot, true
neon fiber
Yeah, Trippy Shot can become way better on account of being able to slap two duos on it
turbid arch
Even without it.
neon fiber
While also keeping its base abilities
turbid arch
Base Dio Cast > Ares Slicing Shot
Both Dio Duos Independedly > Ares Hunting Blades
Both Dio Duos together --> Galaxy Brain Plays
Also, on account of people saying that Hunting Blades is amazing
neon fiber
Which it is mind you
turbid arch
I make a bold statement and say that it is not even in the top 3 best cast duo boons.
neon fiber
Especially for bosses
novel prawn
there is also one boon from Ares (I think it's called Black metal) that attracts mobs towards your slicing blade once it gets close to them... I only got the chance to get that boon once so far... Well, to be honst, the attract effect didn't seem that reliable, and mobs that were dashing toward me didn't have an issue getting out of it
turbid arch
Engulfing Vortex is the one you mean.
And yeah, that is the one boon that I need for blade rifts to not feel like a burden.
The one you mean increases the size of the rifts
turbid arch
Back to the point I made:
I would much rather have Pos/Dem, Dio/Dem or Dio/Zeus as my cast duo boon than Slicing Shot.
For many a reason.
cunning urchin
That's fine though if you're going for a cast build with Duo Boons. Dionysus and Poseidon are the best for that. Doesn't mean Slicing Shot has no use.
mossy breach
Its just unreliable
turbid arch
because the same is true for Demeters Cast.
The problem comes with the rest of Ares' kit being not that good in general.
It is just one of the many aspects that make him mediocre.
cunning urchin
Doom has the best DPS on Malphon.
novel prawn
Doom has the best DPS on Malphon.
@cunning urchin on attack or special?
cunning urchin
Attack. I think very possibly both, but I haven't (yet) looked at uppercut DPS numbers.
Well, Deadly Flourish probably beats it on Special.
Deadly Strike maybe if you build for it, crit damage is like that. But Doom on Attack with Merciful End and Divine Dash would still come in second in that case.
novel prawn
Hmm, I generally prefer Zeus's chain lightning on malphon attack rather than doom. It feels like you need to be able to stick to one enemy in order to apply doom constantly, as soon as one doom takes effect, you have to attack again... and it might not always be the case that you can do it with ease
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike is definitely strong, too. Without additional boons, it's right behind Curse of Agony (with almost idential DPS). But Doom would win if you hit multiple enemies with it (again, without additional boons).
surreal hound
i use both too
mossy breach
but lightning strike hit multiple enemies aswell isnt it
surreal hound
demeter was not bad either I got the 10 stacks explodes and clears stack
turbid arch
Yeah, but the damage is neglible.
The chainlightning strike deals less damage the more targets it hits
surreal hound
chill effects help alot
turbid needle
so whats the best way to keep a specific good coming if you want to do a build around them. like hangover builds for example...I do pick the trinket that gives me them once guarenteed but often they just stop appearing and I get other gods instead? should I just ignore the other god rooms and hope I get the one I want or should I just keep taking boons. my question I guess is if it matters if I pick other boons too or not
surreal hound
alot of boons are like, max life or damage resist, it's not attack related so boons are good even if you arent building around them i think
i.e. poseidons currency buff
turbid needle
I know my question just is if it decreases the chance of getting my prefered god for this run
because last time I started out with dementer and then never got her once for the rest of the run
seems poopy
cunning urchin
If you start a run with a keepsake, you can generally assume you will see that God 2-3 times a run. Seeing them only once at the start would be a very unlucky run.
surreal hound
rng
turbid needle
I guess my luck sucks
novel prawn
well, it's kind of luck based (sometimes even with the right keepsake and fated authority I get a reroll with none of the choices that I wanted)... so, sometimes you just have to improvise, or change your build altogether
surreal hound
or suicide T_T
cunning urchin
Well, the farther you make it in a run, the more likely you'll see them again.
novel prawn
or suicide T_T
@surreal hound or that, yes
turbid needle
it baffled me that I didnt even see her in styx
but thats how it be sometimes I guess
so picking other boons isn't messing with the chances of getting ur god again?
mossy breach
Sometimes you use a god keepsake at the start and then the same gods never appears again in the whole run, I had that happen to me several times
surreal hound
often in the dialogue the 2nd god you meet will say something like "oh x has gotten to you first"
so i think having met the god you want first will increase likelyhood of reappearance, just a hunch though
cunning urchin
Also you want to focus more on at least 2 Gods that have good synergy (and ideally a Duo Boon) rather than just one. You can force the first God in Tartarus and the second in Asphodel. Then if you get the right boons from them, you have a chance to get the Duo Boon you want from either one next time you see them.
surreal hound
i had a fun game yesterday i got 2 duos, poseidon/zeus and zeus/ares
the run im in right now i got a chaos boon that gave +40% rarity chance 😄
cunning urchin
Sweet.
novel prawn
I had an interesting but fun run yesterday with malphon, where I got 3 boons from chaos all for increasing my dash strike... I got almost 300% more dash strike damage from those alone
turbid needle
guess I'm gonna keep praying to fortuna thanks for the answers tho
cunning urchin
Did you have Hunter Dash, too?
novel prawn
nope
cunning urchin
Aww.
novel prawn
unfortunately not
viscid vale
I LOVE DIONYSUS BOONS
viscid vale
also now the spear is my fav weapon. Yes it was my least fav a few days ago. I changed a keybind.
novel prawn
yeah, his call is fun, but kind of hard to control
surreal hound
spear and shield my favs
viscid vale
Dionysus is greaaat. He gives nectar which increases max life + is same as a pom with the right mirror of night upgrade
novel prawn
yeah, his call is fun, but kind of hard to control
@novel prawn nvm, I read poseidon instead of dionisos, brain doesn't work
surreal hound
oh the nectar buff is insane yea, i got epic version of it yesterday, +30hp per
and then the next room was also nectar
which also leveled a boon
novel prawn
nice
cunning urchin
Dionysus has a couple very nice passives and his cast is very strong—especially if you can Ice Wine or Scintillating Feast.
cunning urchin
Also amazing passive Duo Boons.
surreal hound
yeah i've been eyeing that poseidon one
novel prawn
I got the zeus/dio boon on dionysos cast once. the fog would constantly rain lightning on enemies. it was glorious
viscid vale
Hangover is really powerful, I love it
surreal hound
i thought hangover from his ult was strong
cunning urchin
I don't agree that Hangover is powerful.
viscid vale
you can clobber some groups with it, its really fun
cunning urchin
Not that powerful on groups either. The initial damage is low when stacks are still low, and it requires a lot of hits to keep the 5 stacks up.
surreal hound
yeah i wasn't a fan
surprisingly I like demeter and poseidon for attack&special mod
viscid vale
for me Dio is rly good but its true im not at high heat
turbid arch
Dionysus is a good god because his poison effects are just good, stable and strong in general while he also packs a huge amount of good boons to further help your entire run.
viscid vale
i love how the hangover has a large area of effect and can get to groups
turbid arch
@viscid vale Dionysus has been a part for a lot of high heated runs as far as I can tell.
surreal hound
all his non attack/special boons i love
viscid vale
yea his boons are varied and cool
cunning urchin
As far as DOT goes, Doom requires less maintenance for better DPS.
surreal hound
he gets some unique stuff
turbid arch
Yeah, premium vintage is huge.
viscid vale
(Dio's sound effect)
surreal hound
voice acting is good in this game 😉
cunning urchin
Unsurprisingly, the objectively best boons are all from Lady Aphrodite.
viscid vale
nah i mean the laugh and cups noise you hear when he pops up
turbid arch
Dionysus, Aphrodite and Demeter are the three best gods in the game
viscid vale
Aph is really good too i must say
surreal hound
with artemis
turbid arch
Dionysus >= Demeter > Aphrodite is how I would rate it.
viscid vale
Demeter is objectively good but for some reason i don't like her
i also grow tired of Artemis
turbid arch
Demeters only drawback is her cast and that she only has 4 duo boons
surreal hound
im a fan of poseidon
neon fiber
that's not how you write artemis and poseidon nyaanyaa
viscid vale
yes her cast is not that great
surreal hound
i do poseidon/zeus alot
turbid arch
Zeus imo is special because he is the best support god in the game.
cunning urchin
But all her Duo Boons are great.
viscid vale
in terms of pure coolness i would say Dio is the coolest, then i guess Zeus and Poseidon
turbid arch
Supoort in that he complements a lot of runs well.
viscid vale
then Aph
turbid arch
You got a good Poseidon run? Add Zeus on top of it and it becomes epic.
Same goes for cast runs with Artemis, Lightning Rod is insane.
Cold fusion
surreal hound
the fastest clear speed i've gotten was either from zeus/poseidon
or artemis/aphro
viscid vale
Poseidon has not that great variety of good boons in my xp, but i love his visual effects and how he is
also sunken treasure is not bad
even if it doesn't change your stats
surreal hound
his dash is insane
cunning urchin
@neon fiber Again Found Swimming With the Fishes—A Murder Mystery Series
surreal hound
get 5 dash with poseidon
neon fiber
good luck i'm behind seven death defiances
surreal hound
knock back slam into barriers deals 200% more dmg
knock back shoots lightning, double strike
i had poseidon on my fists with zeus duo that was crazy
smoky wolf
Aspect of Talos and tempest flourish is hilarious
cunning urchin
I liked Poseidon until he called ||dead mortals "filth"||.
surreal hound
lol
smoky wolf
You can just yo-yo enemies
neon fiber
after having most of the shades i met try to kill me and having met theseus i can agree with his assessment in most cases
smoky wolf
Yeeeah, I mean almost all the gods are at least somewhat terrible people, mostly on account of unchecked egos. It's kinda Greek mythology in a nutshell
surreal hound
story would prob suck otherwise
smoky wolf
Yeah I love how proud and egotistical they all are
Artemis isn't too bad. But I'd run a mile from most of the rest of they were real people.
surreal hound
lol
flat brook
Dionysus, Aphrodite and Demeter are the three best gods in the game
artemis would like to have a word
smoky wolf
I love Artemis but I'd love her more if her legendary wasn't a colossal PITA to get
viscid vale
Artemis I think is the goddess everyone underestimates in the beginning cause everyone kinda avoids the bow at first, then you realize she's amazing. But I still prefer Dionysus
flat brook
artemis' legendary is only useful for cast builds anyway, i'm talking about the juicy crits
smoky wolf
Honestly if you offered me any call at the start of a run, I'd probably choose hers.
cunning urchin
Just get her legendary before the patch like I did. Easy peasy. 
mossy breach
it was different before the patch?
smoky wolf
Wait 'til a given boss drops their inter-phase invulnerability and then wreck their health
flat brook
artemis' legendary is just as hard to get as demeter's, but i don't see anyone complaining about the old lady's legendary
double standards? 
smoky wolf
Demeter's is insane though
viscid vale
i never get any legendary except the fishing one, which i got twice in the Styx rooms where it wasn't of any use
cunning urchin
The requirements were much easier, yes.
smoky wolf
I laughed so hard when it worked on the final boss. I wish there was dialogue for it.
surreal hound
Lool
smoky wolf
Since she essentially steps in and murders him personally
flat brook
the problem with demeter's legendary is that you probably only get it in styx, so it basically saves you 10% of hades' hp and that's it
if you get it before then yeah it's nuts, otherwise it's just eyecandy imo
cunning urchin
Well, saving you 10% of his HP isn't terrible, either.
flat brook
you could get dio's legendary and save 50% of his hp, best case scenario
flat brook
but yeah, i always take it because it's just so badass
whats legendary?
legendaries are boons that have 2 (or more) prerequisite boons, they're the highest tier of boon a god can give
so they're generally very powerful
surreal hound
oh no way i didnt even see those
cunning urchin
You couldn't get Dionysus's Legendary if he doesn't show up.
viscid vale
do you prefer the mirror perks that boosts your damage according to the number of Olympians or the status effect one ? I still dk which to choose
flat brook
i prefer family favorite
surreal hound
i was useing the status but i think # of diff boons is better
viscid vale
also, i don't dodge last boss skulls / waves enough :/ if you have advice
flat brook
i usually end my runs with 6 different gods, so it's 36% extra damage always vs 40% conditional damage, easy choice for me
cunning urchin
@viscid vale deflect.
viscid vale
yea i think there's a security with family favorite
but if you really know your stuff i guess combining effects is not that hard
up until now i use family fav cause i always try to have diff Olympians
cunning urchin
It's not always worth it going out of your way to apply 2 effects depending on your build.
surreal hound
oh yeah i think i like athena/artemis more than aphro/artemis
cunning urchin
That's good. But have you been using her boons?
flat brook
oh yeah i think i like athena/artemis more than aphro/artemis
why not all of them? athena/aphro/artemis is a very synergistic trio
viscid vale
come to think of it, family favorite gives you the urge to combine the Olympians which is very good to get all the duo boons
surreal hound
you're right but if you had to choose
cunning urchin
Family Favorite also works if you only have primary boons from 2 Gods that don't (always) apply 2 status effects.
viscid vale
Athena / Aphro / Artemis will be like :
cause we are SISTERS / WE STAND TOGETHER
sorry i'm having Disney movies vibes
surreal hound
lol
cunning urchin
And it works if you only have boons from 1 God at the start of a run.
flat brook
family favorite's only flaw is that it doesn't consider chaos as family 
cunning urchin
I haven't met etc yet.
flat brook
daedalus isn't a boon, so it makes some sense
(also you don't ever see him)
but poor chaos, that you see face to face, is left out
cunning urchin
Face-to-faces.
glad island
Aphro is not a part of the olympian gods you know
neon fiber
good she doesn't deserve to
glad island
She is much older than them
surreal hound
how do you unlock sisyphus summon T_T
mossy breach
talk to bouldy
neon fiber
pay 10 diamons to free him
surreal hound
i do
glad island
well it depend of the version
surreal hound
I've talked to Hades, I've talked to Meg, but no recipe for 10 diamonds
flat brook
talk to nyx
exhaust her dialogue
then exhaust again
then once more just to be sure
she has a ton of dialogue
neon fiber
yeah, a lot of quests require having spoken to nyx to trigger the right flags
surreal hound
will try
surreal hound
that's alot of epics
desert nacelle
was buying the rarity thing from shops
novel prawn
guan yu with athena call always feels nice
desert nacelle
i didnt
surreal hound
no not you, just in general
novel prawn
depends on wha boons you have already
surreal hound
i tend to take 3rd option, but rarely i take the 1st
when if, do you use the 2nd option ?
surreal hound
yeah that's what i thought
deminishing returns on levels, and that you get a bunch of poms in the 4th region make it seem bad
especially if you havnt gotten anything great yet
desert nacelle
most of the times on second chapter i dont have more then 2 boons(i mean attack, special dash etc
cunning urchin
I tend to pick Ambrosia Delight to buff my main damage boons, sometimes Refreshing Nectar if I haven't been lucky with boons up until then.
desert nacelle
Ambrosia Delight is +2 boon rarity?
desert nacelle
Can it upgrade the cosmic boons?
surreal hound
if I got great stuff ill take ambrosia to get heroic hopefully, if i'm still waiting for the main thing then
it appears that it does not up the cosmic boons
cunning urchin
Pom Porridge is great if I'm already stacked with good boons.
smoky wolf
Yeah, the choices from Euridyce are all worthwhile under different circumstances.
I pick the 4x level up least often but it can be great if you're already happy with your build
surreal hound
like i might have epic dmg reduction and wouldnt want that to be heroic but for attack or special
desert nacelle
+attack dmg doesn't affect on dash attack right?
real nebula
it does
surreal hound
it does 😄
smoky wolf
It does
real nebula
there are attacks, specials, and casts
surreal hound
but dash will have higher values generally
and higher amount of dash also synergizes dash attack
real nebula
I've always assumed but never been sure, is crit +200% damage for triple the damage, or is it 200% damage for double the damage
surreal hound
surreal hound
im not sure xD
desert nacelle
all the dmg boost are additive?
surreal hound
Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (1 × Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))
The base value of critical damage bonus is +200%.
buoyant jacinth
omg i just tried guan yu and didn't make it past Asphodel lol
errant narwhal
lol I definitely did not make it very far the first time I tried it... but I managed to clear a run the second time
viscid vale
same
errant narwhal
keep trying (^0^)9
viscid vale
it forces a different approach / playstyle
errant narwhal
And a very powerful special really helps
buoyant jacinth
hmm interesting
i guess i went in thinking i should always charge the spin, but it seems like i should save it for when i need healing instead?
errant narwhal
yeah, since it’s a little slow
buoyant jacinth
especially since the charge gets interrupted on hit 😫
viscid vale
yea, don't try to spin 24/7
errant narwhal
Special is definitely the main damage dealer
turbid arch
Special from a safe distance as long as convenient
AOE Spin 2 win if healing is needed.
Exception to the rule:
Athena Attack.
In that case, just spin 2 win always.
buoyant jacinth
alright sounds good. it's funny going from guan yu to exagryph. with the shotgun mod i can take down bosses in a hot second and i have like 300 life lol
turbid arch
Try going from Guan Yu to Excalibur
Suddenly you start the game with thrice as much max HP!
buoyant jacinth
errant narwhal
They’re both super hard to get used to, but so rewarding to beat the game with, it completely changes the game
buoyant jacinth
nice nice. question: i cleared with exagryph with 1 heat, but not with 0 heat. do i have to do a 0 heat run to get that titan blood from final boss?
cunning urchin
I think Excalibur is pretty easy to get used to—mainly because you have so much HP and damage reduction that it's very forgiving if you make mistakes.
mystic vale
Hey, I'm up to 15 escapes in 85 runs. I'm only failing like 83% of the time now.
covert sedge
turn up the heat
errant narwhal
I think it counted as 0 heat and you can now do 1 heat to get the 1 heat bounties
cunning urchin
Yeah, gotta do 1 heat now to get new bounties.
errant narwhal
Or above, if you want - you won’t earn bounties faster, but you’ll still earn them
covert sedge
if you dont up the heat its just darkness you get
cunning urchin
Or cold dinner.
errant narwhal
As long as you see the question marks, you’ll get bounties
desert nacelle
With such luck everyone can do it fast
viscid vale
i have a question, how does the summon triggers ? Cause i tried to use it during the last boss fight and it was "unavailable"
lament coral
which one?
desert nacelle
oh
lament coral
some of them cannot be used during certain fights, like Batty vs furies
desert nacelle
dmg summons u cant use against Hades iiirc
viscid vale
oh...
lament coral
you can use Sisyphus vs Hades
mossy breach
and skelly
lament coral
desert nacelle
oh 
lament coral
the stone and the bone
viscid vale
i can't use most comps against H ? well... :/
cunning urchin
Asking people to attack their boss is not gonna work out.
mossy breach
which makes sense, considering than, meg and dusa work for hades
viscid vale
but I AM their boss
lament coral
still, the game should tell you this before you take em
mossy breach
or even a voiceline
lament coral
otherwise people think it's a bug and go around complaining
viscid vale
yea...
lament coral
no, a voiceline wouldn't cut it
viscid vale
so i still can use Mort against Theseus but not H ?
viscid vale
all right. I wish this was explained, yknow, ingame
cunning urchin
I'm sure it will be in 1.0.
viscid vale
when you(ve got an item that does massive damage it makes sense to save it for final boss
idk why but i got a warning i could use my summon during a fight in Elysium, i was like, very nice, but so that means i can't use my summon whenever, right ? what triggers it ?
cunning urchin
They're not warnings, they're more reminders.
Because people keep forgetting about summons for quite a while when they get them.
viscid vale
yea it's very cool to have reminders !
mossy breach
you can use summons whenever you want, with the exception of Thanatos in thanatos encounters, megaera in the fury sisters boss and the already mentioned hades restrictions
viscid vale
cause you do forget about calls and summons
but you can use some against Hades, if i understand well
mossy breach
yes, Skelly and sysiphus
lament coral
there should just be a big red WARNING text in the summon's description
viscid vale
Sisyphus annoyed me too with his "Prince Z"
so basically some comps are massively more useful than others...
can you swap comps in a run ? I forgot
mossy breach
Skelly is very good, is basically free damage since everybody ignores zag for the duration
cunning urchin
With the nature of the game being that you learn from your deaths, they could have conversations after you try calling them in those boss encounters.
lament coral
you can't swap companions or refill their uses
cunning urchin
"I tried calling you for help against my father, Than. You didn't show up. What's up with that?"
"He's my boss, Zagreus . . ."
mystic vale
"Yeah, I really wanted to show up for that, but did I mention my job was at stake?"
Yes, I can and will make Princess Bride references. :p
cunning urchin
"Hey Meg, I was calling you for help the last time I fought you. I thought you said you'd help me out if I had Battie with me?"
"Zagreus . . . facepalm"
mystic vale
I'm liking Bouldy's synergy with GT.
cunning urchin
Yeah, the Goku x Bouldy fusion was great.
mystic vale
Trying to get these last two duos. :/
flat brook
which ones?
cunning urchin
I wish you bad luck and misfortune.
neon fiber
Boulku
cunning urchin
Yes, thank you. I forgot the name.
cunning urchin
Goldy
flat brook
i prefer the synergy bouldy has with lasting consequences
cunning urchin
Bouldy but gold.
mystic vale
Love you too, Mewmew.
buoyant jacinth
hmm how do we get screenshot posting powers?
cunning urchin
You can upload your screenshots to imgur and link them.
Why does everybody want Doom to become another Hangover. (Also, Doom damage is fine.)
real nebula
You can also post the screenshot to a discord channel that lets pictures, then copy that link
grave compass
Crit Hestia has quickly becoming my favourite
Dash sniper is great and works quite well with the dem art duo
real nebula
so you don't have to leave discord
I have a throwaway server myself that I use to post and test stuff
cunning urchin
Crit-anything is good currently.
grave compass
Also yeah i dont want doom to become new hangover- i just think it needs a couple buffs here or there
sudden dagger
Do you learn more about poison in game? I learned from hypno that it's a green cloud, but idk if those wells in Styx actually cute it, or how much damage it does, etc
I've been to Styx once
proven robin
I think the idea of Doom encouraging you to hit enemies with attacks is cool.
grave compass
Yeah - the speed of the rail sets up the crit mark, then hestia boasts such big numbers, especially if you art dash as well
proven robin
Not necessarily the same as Hangover, where you can hit them 5 times and just wait until they poison out, reapplying as necessary.
But like...making it so that it offers bonus damage according to how much damage you already do.
That does feel very Ares.
real nebula
there's already the boon that increases doom damage through stacking, tho
mossy breach
but its terrible
cunning urchin
^
mystic vale
I like Doom, so long as I'm using the Bow Flourish and hitting things offscreen. :p
grave compass
Tbf i think doom only has 2 areas i dont like that much
Pretty sure it doesnt level as well as other things
And the Aphro duo is way underpowered for a duo
Other than that i quite like it to tag an enemy and watch them got boom
cunning urchin
Doom DPS is great, and with Merciful End can get pretty ridiculous.
buoyant jacinth
ok so from what I've read here regarding heat, what I'm looking at with my Exagryph would be considered a bug? https://imgur.com/a/soHBr1i
proven robin
Right, so like...just imagine Doom being like...a super that lands at the end of a long combo, but instead of damage scaling down like it does in fighting games, it scales up.
real nebula
I use doom for slow attacks like specials, it's really not meant to be a fast hitting ability
proven robin
Yeah, that's also fair.
Though if it scaled according to damage dealt instead of number of hits, that would let it be more forgiving for slow-hitting abilities too.
real nebula
@buoyant jacinth I don't see the bug, what do you mean
cunning urchin
it's really not meant to be a fast hitting ability
That's not quite true. It beats every other boon on Zag Aspect Malphon's attack, which is a fast-hitting ability.
real nebula
malphon attack is a fast hitting ability, doom is not
cunning urchin
Oh, I see what you meant. But it's strong on fast-hitting attacks anyway.
buoyant jacinth
i have ? Styx bounty with 0 heat, but I have the reward with both 1 and 2 heat
neon fiber
that's why you take the doom stacking boon dummy
buoyant jacinth
it looks like i have to clear Styx with 0 heat to get that titan blood
mossy breach
that is correct
grave compass
The doom stacking boon isnt good though?
neon fiber
it's not tht good granted, but it makes doom work with fast hitting weapons like malphon or exagryph
real nebula
then buff the doom stacking boon
mossy breach
I tried that doom stacking with exagryph, also had flurry fire... it was very dissapointing honestly
real nebula
no need to change an entire mechanic tbh
chrome viper
lackluster mechanic that relies solely on the promise of merciful end isnt something Id miss
real nebula
the only scenario i could see for a feature to be changed absolutely completely like that is if it was inherently impossible to balance.
cunning urchin
It's not lacking, though?
chrome viper
also how is it anything like hangover
hangover will always add the same amount of damage up to a cap
grave compass
Yeah doom is fine - its just the other boons that should improve it could use a slight rework
chrome viper
also a lackluster mechanic unless you get the legendary
the thing is that everything else hits for more damage and its instant
real nebula
if that's true then doom needs to be buffed
grave compass
A lot does that yes - but if everything did that what would even be the point in the whole boon system?
Just take the ine that deals bigger damage...
Whole point of the different boons is so you can have different and interesting runs
Set and forget is also a playstyle
gaunt tundra
i don't like doom as much as for example nya does
but i think it's ok for slow weapons
the only change i think it needs
is doing something with the split ares tree
mossy breach
I would merge the two boons that buff doom tbh
gaunt tundra
cause doom and vortexs are almost completelly unrelated, unlike any other god boon
cunning urchin
the thing is that everything else hits for more damage and its instant
That's just plain false.
grave compass
Yeah - same as i dont like hangover that much but other people love it
gaunt tundra
i love hangover on fast weapons
gaunt tundra
mostly cause it has good synergies, and also helps with the cursed status
chrome viper
doom, no matter how fast or how hard you hit, if you didn't get one of the duos the curse is useless
real nebula
lol
chrome viper
the only thing that made it good was the insta-curse for privileged status
chrome viper
anyways, I don't think that ''more dmg numbers'' fixes the gimmick
it's supposed to be a big hit after a delay, but cannot be affected by anything that isn't yet another Ares boon
not even base damage matters for that
mystic vale
Or...Doom could just, I dunno, not reset itself but also not apply more stacks until first clears? Hit once, one second later, DOOM. Hit 5 times? First applies Doom, then AFTER that clears, the 5th hit applies it again. (Assuming .34 attacks per second or so. If .5, then 4th attack applies Doom.)
chrome viper
at least with the other gods you can mix them by utility and Duos
real nebula
that can be said about alot of boons. Hangover, blade rift
chrome viper
blade rift is feast-or-famine and is way better than investing for Doom effects
real nebula
in that cannot be affected by anything other than another boon
chrome viper
why would I go for Doom then
grave compass
anyways, I don't think that ''more dmg numbers'' fixes the gimmick
it's supposed to be a big hit after a delay, but cannot be affected by anything that isn't yet another Ares boon
not even base damage matters for that
That once again just implies doom doesnt require a full rework and isnt useless, it just needs balancing
chrome viper
blades are objectively better
viscid vale
is Doom that bad ?
real nebula
you wouldn't, if that's not your playstyle
chrome viper
and affected by cast damage mind you
gaunt tundra
doom ain't that bad
chrome viper
what does base damage do for doom effects
gaunt tundra
its just that the delayed damage doesn't flow that good
real nebula
set it and leave it is a valid way to play, it just may not be how you like to play
and that's fine
chrome viper
objectively bad also
real nebula
you keep saying its worse, but just today Nyaan sent the numbers proving its actually better
grave compass
Yeah - it can be great in elysium when youre being swarmed
Dont need to focus in stuff respawning if you can drop a doom and walk away
chrome viper
most of them are fire and forget and don't require you to reapply them immediatly
I think Dio is better at that
neon fiber
posi is better at crowd control imo
chrome viper
Poseidon is great imo
desert nacelle
The railgun aspect which gives +dmg after absorbing special is good?
neon fiber
slap razor shoal into your posi dash and you've got yourself 10/10 crowd control
chrome viper
@desert nacelle it depends, but yeah, it's good
delicate nimbus
I'm pretty sure doom does the most damage at the base level of any curse.
chrome viper
I think Hestia is better for most scenarios
grave compass
Situational again
Its crowd control but can be one of the worst for an actual boss fight
Constantly adding doom to a boss on the other hand can be a make or break - but not necessarily good for big rooms
chrome viper
but Eris is p good
delicate nimbus
That reminds me. In erebus I fought a witch that had A TON of hp. Like 5 times more than normal.
chrome viper
that's its only niche, a good, instant curse that falls off pretty hard without Duos
by instant I mean that you don't have to get another boon to get the ''status curse''
neon fiber
doom does do nice amount of base damage but it falls behind literally anything else later on
real nebula
it really just sounds like you want it buffed
chrome viper
not really
grave compass
Literally why im comparing it to poseidon - without upgrades it fails against hades but can clear styx
Ares without upgrades isnt good against styx but can deal good damagw consistently to hades
chrome viper
most if not all of my posts in feedback are things I read
couldn't care less if they don't buff it, I'm not gonna use it lmao
gaunt tundra
honestly i felt like it hit like a wet noodle when i used it
i wasn't specially lucky with ares so maybe its just that i lacked some passives
real nebula
I only like doom if I can use it to complement what I already have going, but it still does just fine damage feels like
If I only had doom I would be just fine
delicate nimbus
I think part of it is human psychology. You hit something in this game, you want immediate feedback. The delay messes with our reward juice and probably makes us undervalue the dmg from doom.
chrome viper
feedback isn't really ''pls give more dmg numbers''
I wish the effect itself fit the fantasy better, as in, actually feeling rewarded for investing AND waiting for the big pop
currently with the effect it's either ''Merciful End so I can just get it out of the way and do ridiculous damage'' (which doesn't fit the fantasy) or ''really bad curse of longing that reduces your damage more than it should'' (which would fit the fantasy if it made you deal MORE damage instead of less, because, it does deal less damage than just reapplying it yourself)
gaunt tundra
and also has you running a couple more seconds from something that with another damage buff would be dead by now
grave compass
I agree it needs some work but i think doom as a whole is good
It just needs better boons that mix with it - that doesnt make doom as a whole useless or irrelevant, it just means it needs balancing
chrome viper
thats it
of course it'd be way easier to just, buff the numbers
that's not what I want
real nebula
I mean the real bottom line is doom works, and a good amount of people like the playstyle it affords. With those two, there's no need to go through the much more manhours path of reworking an entire boon-line
neon fiber
kinda wish posi and ares had a duo though
grave compass
Yeah - changing it as suggested just sounds like Hangover 2 - Stack up and deal more
Whereas the whole point is a set a forget, doomed to die as hard as they try - needs buffs but overall not broke
chrome viper
tl;dr it's good =/= feels good
again I don't see how it works as hangover
hangover has base damage and a cap
a cap that isn't hard to stack
not saying that its bad
real nebula
I like using doom
real nebula
it just aint your playstyle, and that's unfortunate, but no need to rework it all because a very small minority dislike it
chrome viper
we don't know if its a small minority though
that's why #hades-feedback has a system
neon fiber
i wouldn't say a small minority, seen more than one person say they didn't think doom was at a good place iirc
chrome viper
voting system*
grave compass
If you look at all the boons theyre notable similar but at the end of the day theyre all unique
If you want to stack a curse to deal more damage you choose dio, if you want to stack to keep then slow longer dem, stack for weak longer aphro
If you change ares to stack more to deal more damage its now lost its uniqueness - just pick dio
real nebula
the voting system of feedback would be to differ lol
neon fiber
ares' kit could deffo use some ironing
real nebula
I haven't seen one doom rework feedback that had more agree than disagree
grave compass
Yeah if seen improve dooms pathway- but not outright change doom
neon fiber
they're actually really evently matched usually, which does speak a lot for it needing some sort of a retouch
not a revamp but the doom boons are kinda wonky sometimes
chrome viper
@grave compass it'd be less about the stacking and more about how high you can get your damage, that's why I don't think it would be the same
similar, obviously, but doom effects charge for like less than a second, it's not like you're going to have a lot of time to stack damage
that's why it has more things into consideration, like base damage (doom currently doesn't have it, dio also doesn't), attack speed and such
it's more about being true to the fantasy of that one final hit
if anything I feel it'd work more like Artemis
except its more tedious, but also more damage
nevermind the tedious part, you'll be hitting your enemies anyways
but now it has a purpose instead of waiting till the thing expires so you can apply it again
@mystic vale isn't that straight-up merciful end
mystic vale
...not even remotely close?
chrome viper
very similar actually
grave compass
I guess your fantasy is different to others
The way i look at it is 'literally doomed' - if someone is doomed they don't exactly become more doomed, it doesnt fit that concept for it to stack
The whole idea for me is - youre pretty much dropping a target for ares to smite them
real nebula
I'll say that most of the time you're not waiting. In encounters you'll have enough mobs around to stack it on all of them, and on bosses you'll be setting it, avoiding their retaliation, then applying again
there's not a whole lot of downtime, no matter what build you got
chrome viper
I think I agree with magpie that it's as unique as it gets
what I suggested was so it would take more gameplay elements into consideration but I guess it has its niche
hopefully they buff dire misfortune then
grave compass
Yeah - honestly its the simple answer but i think it needs to just work better with other boons
The concept of marking someone for death doesnt really fit with stacking - you wouldn't mark someone, then mark then 3 more times for good measure
However i feel it would be interesting if it could be upgraded to maybe do more damage in certain situations - like a boon where an already cursed enemy takes more damage from doom
Making it fit much more builds
tepid ridge
That’s where I stand on it. Doom works thematically and for most of the community; the part of Ares that needs filling out is his boon pool. Dire misfortune not being kinda meh, boons that deal more damage to foes that were just hit by a doom charge, making doom ricochet to another enemy automatically after destroying the previous one etc.
grave compass
That way if youre on a dio or aphro run and happen to get doom - you can weaken or hangover them, then apply doom for bonus damage
chrome viper
p sure dio literally does that @tepid ridge
smoky wolf
it'd be cool to have a boon that multiplies doom damage for each other debuff on an enemy
or a posiedon duo that applies X% of doom damage when you knock an enemy into a wall
tepid ridge
@chrome viper No Dio has a proximity-based boon that infects any other enemies around the hungover one. It doesn’t target any one enemy in particular and it doesn’t have a limit on how many enemies it can infect. @smoky wolf that would be a duo, which Poseidon and Ares conspicuously don’t have implemented yet. As for more damage per debuff, privileged status in the mirror of darkness is the closest thing to that at the moment.
chrome viper
regarding the doom/blades trees, I was going to add that maybe the blades could also work for increasing the curse mark damage but I thought itd be too much changes lol
proven robin
...Maybe Doom would be improved if like Rip and Tear started playing if you had it on enough enemies.
real nebula
tbh, thematically, I don't like doom nor blade rift for Ares lol. I feel like the god of war would give boons that deal more with fighting and combat itself rather than just violent effects
mystic vale
Or maybe have Doom summon Cyberdemons.
chrome viper
@grave compass tbh it never crossed my mind it would count as "stacking" since I meant to increase each of the curses by their own everytime
like, still one mark just with more damage
but yeah, maybe I didnt think that through
mystic vale
Really, more abilities in the game should be pun based.
grave compass
Yeah - the fact is that all this discourse is because it is far from perfect
It doesnt fit all builds and can be very situational
Hence my feedback, i love ares but i feel right now its you pick his path and only his - adding him to a build midway isnt as easy as knockback, or lighting, or chill, or even hangover
tepid ridge
I think if you analyze the way Ares is portrayed in this game his effects start to make a bit more sense. The character is obsessed with death and dying, not unlike a more brutal Thanatos. Doom and blade rifts actually mirror the way Thanatos fights in Death Approaches rooms. Ares just needs a couple more tier 2 boons to link his attack damage ones like Urge to Kill with the doom and blade rifts a little more closely.
grave compass
Thats what needs improving for me - rather than drastically changing him he just needs to fit better with other builds
hollow relic
I have a question. That trinket that gives you % dmg each time you finish a fight without getting hit, do i still keep the % dmg i've achieved if i switch trinket ?
grave compass
No you don't
hollow relic
:c
i hardly manage to not get hit on 3rd floor and beyond, that's why i was hoping you could 😭
grave compass
I think its because once at level 3 you can farm a tonne of damage in tartaros and asphodel really easy - so you could become quite OP if you started banking the different buffing trinkets
Yeah im the same - elysium i maybe get one extra for the butterfly and never anything in styx
hollow relic
Thanks for the answer tho 🙂
proven robin
...Yeah, I don't think they'd rework Ares to any real extent by this point, but I just had the idea that it'd be cool if Ares's status curse combined with him giving you naturally-large damage boosts and rewarded you for killing enemies in some specific fashion (perhaps with a normal Attack within a certain range?) with healing, so you would be incentivized to shed blood fearlessly like Ares likes.
delicate nimbus
Compare the butterfly to the other damage increasing tickets like the black shawl or the long range damage one. Imo you need to get the butterfly to about 20 percent damage to be competitive with the others. Everything after 20 is over performing.
mystic vale
Premium Vintage; 25 times. Nothing else over 18. I have a problem.
umbral lagoon
I’m starting to feel like fated authority is inferior to fated persuasion.
And fated authority makes it much easier to get stuck in your comfort zone playstyle instead of trying new boons.
Any thoughts?
lament coral
which one is which?
umbral lagoon
Actually, now that I think about it fated persuasion gets you stuck on your mechanical playstyle
authority rerolls reward types, persuasion rerolls boons
lament coral
2 statuses on an enemy cause em to take 50% more damage
timid sentinel
I feel like fated authority and persuasion while useful are both too low impact to be something that actually does or does not keep you in some kind of comfort zone
if you tend to pick the same boons over and over being able to do so a little bit more consistently is not the difference maker
proven robin
Persuasion also works on the Purging Fountain.
Which can help if it starts on boons you really wanna keep and you have Underworld Customs on.
umbral lagoon
I just think that too many of my runs have been screwed over by somewhat useless boons
lament coral
Fated talents is what enables you to stick with whatever you want
umbral lagoon
or at least it forces me to adapt too quickly
i can’t plan ahead at all
btw i actually was using FA with status, so i might change it to persuasion
lament coral
it's why I've been using nothing but Artemis cast with Poseidon sword, Athena attack with GY spear, Athena attack/Ares special with Chaos shield, bow is whatever, Artemis special with Demeter fist, and Zeus attack with Zag rail
umbral lagoon
but i don't think i will need it for that
lament coral
cause I found something that works, and I like it
umbral lagoon
wait what's fated talents?
lament coral
and I don't wanna move left or right, because I know the other options are inferior
FA and FP, dude
umbral lagoon
sorry i'm new to the game and don't know all these categorical nicknames
lament coral
...
lament coral
does it not say directly in the mirror?
umbral lagoon
I don't know.
lament coral
that those things are talents
umbral lagoon
Yup, thanks!
lament coral
now, whether you want that or not, that's up to you
umbral lagoon
So I was mainly asking which one was better for what cases.
Not if I should use them at all.
That is, if FA was better than FP or vice versa.
lament coral
ok, like I said, FP is better with Family Favorite because it allows you to pick and choose the most beneficial boon from each god you encounter, while FA is better with the statuses talent cause it allows you to focus on a smaller pool of gods, enabling you to really specialize in em
timid sentinel
I hadnt thought of using FP in case it forces me to get rid of 3 good boons
on the pool
that's actually useful
umbral lagoon
That doesn't make sense to me. If FP rerolls boons once you have already chosen your reward, I don't see how it permits you to focus on a smaller pool of gods.
lament coral
wait, the other way
umbral lagoon
I would instead think it lets you focus on a smaller pool of mechanics.
FA should let you focus on both gods and maximizing boon diversity.
FP would let you choose if you want a dash vs special vs cast etc.
And I think I'm more of a mechanical player.
I don't like getting boons all over the place changing the way I play the game too abruptly during a run.
lament coral
I got confused there
umbral lagoon
But whatever gods come I'm fine.
lament coral
being able to reroll random gods' boons allows you to pick the stuff you actually need as opposed to getting lame revenge boons
umbral lagoon
Exactly!
I hate that.
And you can still get family favorite since the chances that you will get diverse boons is high if you don't focus on a god.
lament coral
while room rerolls give you a chance to get rid of a useless god and get the one you want to enable your dual status talent
umbral lagoon
Since there's so many gods anyway.
Yes.
Okay, that's actually something interesting to consider.
I don't really care what duo boons I get in my playstyle I think
I just take them as they come
lament coral
have you been using FF this entire time?
lament coral
Family Favorite
lament coral
give it a chance, I used to not believe in it either but man, it smacks
umbral lagoon
👌
yeah okay i'm thinking family favorite with FP instead of FA might be fun
instead of FP and duos
thanks for the advice!
lament coral
and don't forget, you can use god keepsakes to force a god you don't have, thereby increasing your FF bonus
umbral lagoon
yup, I usually just need zeus, ares, artemis, or athena in terms of one boon that i absolutely need and am fine the rest of the run without rerolling gods
lament coral
also, Chaos doesn't count towards FF, but Hermes does
umbral lagoon
should be fine since too many resource rooms anyway
just hope to get chaos during one of those choices
with only resources
i'm not going to trade my epic boons chance for more boons/hammers/poms tho
that's a no go for me
epic is too sweet
timid sentinel
I highrolled pretty hard on my current run
I got epic frost strike and killing freeze
is it just me or is killing freeze very good?
umbral lagoon
killing freeze is actually insane
it's just stronger than poison and rupture i think
the damage per 0.5 seconds seems a bit more
if you get epic rarity then wayy more
timid sentinel
I got butterfly proc off theseus and asterius lmao
timid sentinel
with
umbral lagoon
heh nice
proven robin
...Wow. That's impressive.
timid sentinel
normally it would be, but it's 40 damage every 0.5 sec and my attack just reapplies it
from killing freeze
it's gross
umbral lagoon
ironically my only 5 heat shield run was successful with a demeter dash and killing freeze
i couldn't even beat heat 6 with zeus and poseiden duos and legendary
gotta slow hades down
i think i'm just playing bad in my following runs tho
timid sentinel
what happens to your rewards if you increase heat a bunch at once?
I've just been incrementing it by 1 per run for now
umbral lagoon
apparently, you only get the reward for the lowest heat you haven't beaten yet
i never tried it but someone on here told me that
somewhat convincingly
so you can't just delete bounties by skipping heat
seems like that makes the most sense
timid sentinel
I see
the third skelly statue is at 32, I might just start trying for that
right now I'm at 17 so it might be too much of a jump for me to handle though
umbral lagoon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
raw violet
You could play at heat 20, 20 times, and get bounties for heat levels 1-20
umbral lagoon
tfw you start on hell mode and need to try hard to just get 1 blood and miss out on 5 sets of bounties 😦
cunning urchin
20 to 32 is quite a jump. But it's not like difficulty increases linearly with heat anyway.
It depends a lot on the aspect, what pacts you choose, what build you're going for.
timid sentinel
17's done now
umbral lagoon
what build did you use?
narrow rampart
Hey um, the wiki page says only two Daedalus hammers can be obtained on the same run
timid sentinel
I have no idea what to pick though
narrow rampart
Is that true? I always thought it was 3
cunning urchin
Yeah, just jump right into 32 heat if you wanna try it. No reason not to. You can try 18 heat or whatever any other time you want to.
umbral lagoon
i think i had a special boost + ricochet boost + flurry shot from 3 hammers once
when i open game i can dig the record out
to check
(for chiron bow)
timid sentinel
this is my current pact setup, what would you guys advice increasing? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323624006747947009/712711855306571827/unknown.png
cunning urchin
A third Daedalus Hammer used to sometimes appear in Styx, but it wasn't supposed to. They fixed that in January.
umbral lagoon
huh yeah maybe
tbh i was wondering if my memory failed me
def going to check anyway
narrow rampart
man this kinda explains why a lot of my flurry shot chiron builds were harder to get recently...
cunning urchin
It's in #hades-patch-notes.
narrow rampart
@umbral lagoon we should've read the patch notes I guess 😅
umbral lagoon
haha yeah
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Don't put that on 4 or you'll get 0 healing in your run lol.
cunning urchin
Yes.
umbral lagoon
oh ok no prob
hell mode forces both calisthenics and lasting
big effing rip
someone save me
raw violet
All of it is painful when you play at 32 heat
umbral lagoon
got used to it though
raw violet
The question just becomes which is the lesser of the pain
cunning urchin
1 in Lasting Consequences might be okay. But personally I like keeping it at 0 to get healing from Bouldy.
umbral lagoon
healing is still pretty good anyway
timid sentinel
how about this? it makes 32 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323624006747947009/712712973583384576/unknown.png
umbral lagoon
holy jury summons
raw violet
Jury summons might be my least favorite
timid sentinel
is benefits package easier to deal with than jury summons perhabs?
cunning urchin
The heroes are gonna have a ton of HP with EM3 and Calisthenics Program.