Artemis really is the big chunk of damage goddess
#h1-builds-and-combat
glad island
unkempt pagoda
you can also press f11 ingame to screenshot
glad island
Even more with Demeter aspect
opal glade
Thats just a huge load of dps, dang
glad island
When I saw a double 665 come out I thought : this is going to be quick
opal glade
If you had gotten even more attack speed youd basically have a railgun for fists
dry ember
What does the Great Hall Shortcut do?
I bought it and nothing happens
Nvm figured it out
hazy yacht
just opens up a big hole in the wall that you can use to quickly travel between the lobby and the lounge
hazy yacht
they are doing their best ok
opal glade
i guess it's useful if you've cleared most of the House's npc lines and just want to get a quick trip to|| the chef|| before the next run
languid storm
I hate trying to do theseus with coronacht
I'll be fine and have 3 DD's right up to that fight and then easily lose 2 because half my damage just doesn't land
proven robin
Wait until he throws the spear and turns to walk to a new location, and hit him then.
If he's blocking, either aim for Asterius or play defense.
languid storm
It's usually after I get asterius down when he enters p2, trying to get behind him while also dodging demeter or aphro while avoiding the spears ends up completely shreking me
neon fiber
protip: the pillars with spoopy ghosts on them are your best friends in that fight
you can use them to both block theseus' line of sight when he throws his spear and stop asterius' charge
languid storm
Also winter harvest is crazy when you get to the hades fight
static birch
side note but is it just me or is the spear insanely overpowered?
neon fiber
no lol
languid storm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/711696911928918026/Hades_00017.png
This was a good run
neon fiber
spear is kinda wonky when compared to the fists or the aspect of TRUCK
also that does look like a good run
languid storm
Aspect of truck?
neon fiber
shame about the trippy shot being normal but that's a pretty wonkers build anyway
@languid storm arthur
lapis matrix
Arthur I think
languid storm
Ahh
neon fiber
people call it the aspect of TRUCK because it hits hard
static birch
ya, i've just gotten up to the hydra and died
languid storm
yeah I got trippy right out the gate and only got a common rare crop so I missed out on maxing it up
neon fiber
kinda slow but you can get around that with dashes
languid storm
yeah I've honestly not had much luck with arthur
Guan Yu on the other hand is bonkers
languid storm
Sure cus I can barely get out of tartarus on the damn thing
static birch
ngl, i found the spear's reach/throw/spin to be insanely overpowered
proven robin
Everyone has their style!
static birch
the sword was fine until i unlocked it
languid storm
I can't stand the default spin but the Yu spin is preposterously good
proven robin
Like, the fact that a bunch of people have a bunch of opinions on each of the weapons indicates that they're probably just better suited to certain ways of approaching the game.
languid storm
badly nonbos with Poseidon though
static birch
also, my strategy of cherry tapping by dashing around with boons that cause damage is still alive and well. i used it in transistor
i think the better dash-damage boons were zeus' and aphrodite's. dionysus is a cool dude and i love the idea of hangover damage, but it just didn't work for me
languid storm
Dio's dash boon is really good on spear if you get the multistrike dash attack hammer
static birch
coming to think of it, there's also that darkness-unlockable multi-dash thing
it was something with reflex in the name
languid storm
Greater reflex
yeah it's good, I've been using ruthless reflex lately cus I like the extra damage and you can reroll hermes for extra dashes
static birch
ya, i've just met hermes so wasn't sure how his boons fit into the scheme of things. but ya, extra dashing+the damage boons sounds like a good cherry tapping strategy
(i've so far managed to take out the non-meg monsters by just dashing around like that. also, it works on bosses!)
smoky wolf
This was a really, really fun run. Absolute glass cannon build.
https://i.gyazo.com/0d477002adcf250f99b749bdeca98af5.jpg
guan yu is really good
maybe i should post an idea in feedback that all the spears have their charged attack work like guan yu (minus the healing)
I would actually use spin attack.... ever
languid storm
Yeah... I feel that.
I don't like the idea of all of them funcitoning like Yu, but I def think they need bigger payoffs for the spin
eager scarab
Yep, agreed. The spin is super long and leaves you pretty vulnerable
smoky wolf
the spin attack just sucks how it is
guan yu is only good because its spin attack is a projectile
languid storm
Y'also have to go super deep for it to be better than just attacking or dash attacking
smoky wolf
if it was like a normal one it'd be the worst aspect by a mile
eager scarab
It's only effective function is to charge it up to max before enemies spawn, and as soon as they do, you catch a big group before they scatter with it
smoky wolf
yeah, that's the only use case
and i still get tagged half the time i try that anyway
eager scarab
Mhmm
smoky wolf
maybe if spin attack had a few frames of deflection or something
languid storm
Yu's special is also dramatically better in that you don't lose out on attacks waiting for the pull
smoky wolf
yeah, that too
languid storm
If the spin had a bunch of knockback on it so you could make space in swarms it would feel better
smoky wolf
tbh if they took spin attack off of the first two spear aspects, I wouldn't notice
eager scarab
And just being able to heal regardless of the Spin's size makes it feel less like a wasted effort when you're cut short
smoky wolf
and I've never used aspect of hades because it just looks like.... not fun
languid storm
I don't know about most disadvantaged, but it definitely has the most room for error in comparison to the others, which makes guan yu feel so much dramatically better because it gets rid of all the downsides while keeping the benefits of the reach, dash, and 3 hit
rotund wagon
there is a "undiscovered place" in the underworld codex
and one in artifacts codex
what are those?
languid storm
How much heat are you at?
rotund wagon
8
languid storm
It's the Erebus/onion I think
vestal patrol
what pacts are you taking
rotund wagon
Hard labor, jury summons, calisthenics program, max benefits package, heightened security
languid storm
maybe reduce the benefits package, grab the one that makes them ignore the first hit and take middle management
If your on exagryph stygius or malphon the "block x hits" one is really not that bad
novel prawn
use stygius's 4th aspect with crit
rotund wagon
which exagryph aspect should I dump my blood on
all of them is terrible at low upgrades
languid storm
Tbh Eris is the best one by a mile, though it functions better with the greater reflexes than the ruthless reflex
rotund wagon
that is great because I never use ruthless reflex
mystic vale
I hate when I stumble upon a pit of deadly spears.
rotund wagon
any opinion on Talos vs Demeter on high heat?
languid storm
I like demeter mostly because the aug charged special can end up with some ridiculous results depending on hammer load out
proven robin
I actually prefer the default maxed out.
rotund wagon
Talos is lowkey both powerful and fun
combine it with Poseidon special and you have yourself a reclocation tool
rotund wagon
it's basically Scorpion from MK
mystic vale
One more blood and I can try out this funky GY thing everyone else seems to like.
rotund wagon
what is GY?
mossy breach
Guan yu. the last aspect of the Spear. I dont recomend it in lvl 1, the penalty is too harsh
like 70%
rotund wagon
yeah people seems to like it
personally I feel lv 5 is barely worth it
I guess with the right hammer upgrade it can be insane but the spear has a slow attack and guan yu make it even slower
languid storm
Tbh once it's level 2-3 I think it tears things up but one is super punishing
I rarely use the default 3 hit though, usually it's dash attack into spin attack or special for most of my damage output
rotund wagon
whose favor do I aim for when using Arthur
mystic vale
I think I'll go get corpsed again.
neon fiber
artemis
or aphrodite
since they will further beef your already high attack damage up
i think posi would not be a bad choice either but i need to see how well it meshes with arthur
mystic vale
Heartbreak Flourish for Rail? K. BTW Crush shot try showing up when I use Hera bow kthxbye.
rotund wagon
Dionysus drunk bomb thing is a good alternative to crush shot
when using Hera bow
basically explosive stun crush shot
mystic vale
I've done Trippy shot like 20 times. I just want to explore alternatives.
zomg Flurry Fire. I want to do this with Frost Shot.
And Arctic Blast.
Rat-tat-tat-tatta.
Is going full tank viable? Like Bronze Skin, Positive Outlook, Different League, the bracers, and Weak on everything?
shrewd brook
Flurry Fire + Artemis' Support Fire is beautiful
mystic vale
Now if only Artemis would do me the favour of spawning.
shrewd brook
use the keepsake
mystic vale
I will for Asphodel. :p
mighty ermine
tried out That One Build, was not disappointed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/711722277116313640/20200517181601_1.jpg
well, a little because i didn't get exit wounds and then maybe fully loaded
but still
mighty ermine
lots of poms and very few boons haha
graceful raven
Is the pierced butterfly damage boost only active whilst I'm using the keepsake?
unkempt pagoda
also applies to lambent plume
graceful raven
Well, that makes them okay at best then (if they're not 3*)
languid storm
Does the poseidon knockback scale somehow?
It seems way more impactful on shield than some of the other weapons
mighty ermine
the shield's attack has innate knockback properties on it
real nebula
and those stack
mighty ermine
at base without a certain hammer anyway
graceful raven
I just used it with the fists + the kick upgrade, it was really good
real nebula
also, the stuff that applies on knockback actually apply to the shield attack as well, even if you don't have the poseidon attack boon
things like rupture and stuff
mystic vale
So, I'm having a hilarious time with Sisyphus's keepsake in Elysium.
dense locust
Sounds like a good time
Ill be honest, i don't think i've used it once outside of leveling it
mystic vale
That's technically what I'm doing, but Elysium is such a good place for it because there's regenerating columns and the mobs are always blundering into traps anyhow.
dense locust
So the wording on Shattered Shackle specifies its damage is from the rubble of shattered pillars, but if it included all traps, it would definitely be a start in making it competitive with other keepsakes
unkempt pagoda
it already includes all traps
dense locust
well hot dang, who wants to change the wiki
mystic vale
Yeah, in-game it says traps and rubble.
I don't think I'd use it anywhere BUT Elysium, but it's nifty there.
dense locust
if it really truly does include all traps, a feedback suggestion would be a good idea too
It's for sure fun, it's just ultimately not a strong option compared to other choices
mighty ermine
it used to be even worse and not include all trap damage before the welcome to hell update 😔
dense locust
well the in game description specifies just rubble from columns
but maybe you guys have tested it
mighty ermine
Shattered Shackle (Sisyphus): now also increases damage foes take from traps
from patch notes
unkempt pagoda
the in-game description specifies all trap damage
dense locust
no it doesn't
unkempt pagoda
the wiki just hasn't been updated in a while
dense locust
oh yes it does
lol
thanks for the heads up
one of these days ill make an account so i can edit the wiki
sudden dagger
Hey everyone, this might be a basic question, but in the boons menu, if you select the boon you get a little icon next to it. What does that do? Is it an off and on toggle?
mighty ermine
it's just to pin it so you can compare it against other boon descriptions or to share a build composition with others
sudden dagger
In the middle of a run
You get a little icon on the top left of the boon you click on
mighty ermine
yes that's just the aforementioned pin feature
sudden dagger
Where do you compare it?
mighty ermine
you can pin up to five and they show up with their full description on the right
sudden dagger
Ooh I see
dense locust
but you pin your 5 crucial boons/hammers and screen shot it
sudden dagger
The description stays on the screen when you look at another one
dense locust
yeah you have to swap it out
if you want a different one there
so you click on one pinned
and then you can change it
sudden dagger
Word
dense locust
i hope they increase the pins to 10 at some point, 5 is too little to give a comprehensive overview of a build most of the time
mystic vale
I hope I stop sucking at some point.
I need builds that don't need to hit the end boss 900 times to kill him.
dense locust
well this is a great place to ask for tips!
mystic vale
That doesn't stop my personal sucking. :p
I've seen speedrun videos where they do 1k+ right out the gate. I'm still happy when I hit anything for over 500 on a crit.
earnest ravine
Speedrun videos are usually manipulated to guarantee a seed that does that.
it's pretty rare in practise to get starts like that, except MAYBE with god trinkets for specific weapons.
dry ember
Yup. Seeded runs are OP
Nothing wrong with using seeds
But definitely don't compare your run with that
sudden dagger
I just got to Meg and she asked for backup before she killed me, so I must be pretty close to escape ;)
dry ember
Yeah you are close buddy. Keep at it ;)
languid storm
Arthur + backstab hammer +charm crit is a lot of oomph, and that was just at theseus
untold quiver
Wow.....so I've been looking for a spear build I can get behind ......having solved somewhat my bow issues..... Achilles Spear is a prime candidate for blade rift/Hunter's blade build I figure.....got Slicing shot, hunting blades, and also vicious cycle, black metal and greater recall.....maybe my easiest final boss fight ever
languid storm
Arthur is insane. What an absolutely preposterous weapon
like 1500 damage crits and that was just from pressure point triggers, wish I'd had my flourish/strike boons swapped
earnest ravine
BIG cronch
languid storm
I also just facetanked hades, I'm not sure how the damage reduction stacks but between the defence aura and aphro it was easily 60% DR
unkempt pagoda
truck gang
languid storm
unless it's multiplicative in which case like 45ish
unkempt pagoda
i believe dr is multiplicative
raw violet
All weapon speedruns are not seeded
And are probably a testament to the strength of specific Artemis+Chaos builds
languid storm
Every time I go guan yu and get a first room hammer with quick spin I cry a little
dense locust
? quick spin is one of the better hammers for guan yu imo
languid storm
Happy tears
cunning urchin
That was 48% damage reduction within the aura and Different League's radius.
spare owl
WOOT finally, stygian victory - but wow... 2/334 HP and 0 lives left XD
spare owl
right as i hit him he went 8-eyes on me and my hp plummeted rofl
naive tusk
And you get a nice title as well 
cunning urchin
spare owl
Titles for Zagreus based on how he died XD I love that idea
dense locust
Anyone have insights into how the game decides what title it gives you when you defeat Hades? I know for a fact i've met the requirements for several of them at the same time but of course you can only get one title. Is it the first title that you meet the requirements of?
rotund wagon
say, anyone tried the fist with Athena attack
dense locust
although i haven't tried it in a while and it felt like they nerfed the effectiveness of holding attack down and then just pressing dash to reset the punch combo, essentially giving perma deflect from the front
rotund wagon
can't imagine what would happen if I got Hermes attack bonus
dense locust
basically rolling knuckle used to be used manually
without the hammer
but i think you have to press attack again after dashing instead of just being able to hold attack button down, and then while holding it down, dash to reset the combo. Ill try it out in a sec, i'm probably wrong about that
I actually like the athena attack for the demeter aspect
then you get artemis special
and hopefully deadly reversal
cunning urchin
You can just hold down attack.
dense locust
nvm you can still dash-attack right as the combo ends to reset it
yes exactly
i thought they had changed it last time i played fists because it wasn't working as i was used it. I think my controller was just faulty
i think rolling knuckle should be like double the damage to dash attack from what it is now though
cunning urchin
I think it's pretty strong the way it is now.
dense locust
hmm, maybe i haven't tried it enough, but as far as i can tell, it's just a +60% damage dash attack every once in a while
because you can do the dash attack manually
languid storm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/711770636346720306/Hades_00019.png
So many damage triggers... I wish I had the global crit chance boon
cunning urchin
Rolling Knuckle also benefits from Hunter Dash and Chaos boons. You can keep attacking without the need to change your position, or you can dash-strike manually after the rolling knuckle hit for extra DPS. It's versatile and can add good damage.
dense locust
Doesn't if force you to dash attack after 5 hits?
unkempt pagoda
it adds a dash attack to the combo, it doesn't move you
cunning urchin
Yeah. It counts as a dash-strike, but it doesn't move you and doesn't consume dashes.
It also resets the combo faster than doing it manually because it immediately cancels the last hit into the dash-strike and doesn't require the dash animation. Add attack speed on top of that and it's really fast.
Attack speed doesn't make dashes faster, but I'm very sure it makes the full animation of the rolling knuckle faster.
dense locust
ahh i thought it forced you to dash attack, guess i really havent used it much
vivid solar
does enabling god mode have any drawbacks?
unkempt pagoda
nope
it only grants you damage resistance that scales based off how many times you've died
vivid solar
oh
earnest ravine
The only real drawback is that it seperates your personal clear count from your non-God mode clears. Nothnig else is affected.
turbid needle
Dashing manually fires dash attacks more quickly. Rolling Knuckle is a QoL Hammer, you get better damage output over time spamming dashes with Breaching Cross if you're just going to % DPS.
dense locust
yeah that's how i always looked at it
anyone know if life affirmation works with maxed lasting consequences?
turbid needle
Life Affirmation affects HP Ups, not healing.
It makes Centaur Hearts increase your HP by more.
versed bloom
And other max life increasing effects
Like the house contractor Darkness reward upgrade or a few boons that cause certain things to give max life
cunning urchin
The rolling knuckle dash-strike is definitely faster than a manual dash-strike with attack speed+, and it does 15 more damage. Breaching Cross is an obvious #1 pick for the armor damage.
rotund wagon
thunder cross split attack?
turbid needle
I'm not talking about the speed of the attack itself, I'm talking about how many you get out in a given period of time.
And more Dash-Strikes is more damage with Malphon.
cunning urchin
You can immediately cancel the dash-strike from Rolling into more dash-strikes, so you get more dash-strikes faster.
turbid needle
No, because you're waiting on the five-hit combo.
cunning urchin
Not if you have attack speed from Hermes, no.
turbid needle
Hermes does not make the 5-hit combo faster than the dash cooldown.
And if instead you take additional dashes over attack speed, the gap widens even further because you can simply fit more Dash-Strikes in a smaller period of time.
Okay, time to finally try Triple Chain Shot on Zag Coronacht. No Deadly Strike, but I do have +200% damage between Heartbreak Strike and Hunter Dash.
cunning urchin
Hmm, you're right. It's 3 hits during cooldown; I thought 4. But I'm very sure I remember getting another hit out of Swift Strike. Guess that was 4 hits.
turbid needle
So I just stunlocked Theseus through the entire fight thanks to Unhealthy Fixation shortly before the Heroes fight.
Also got a simultaneous kill, so close together that the game didn't even zoom back out between kills. Asterius went down and then without the screen changing color it panned to Theseus and played his death animation.
dense locust
i think i just lost to hades on 40 heat for the third time when he has 1/4 health on 2nd phase....
and every gosh darn time I never get a gosh darn call
versed bloom
So I had a thought
dense locust
uuuuggghh, i'm trembling from adrenaline. He was two skewers away from death and i was a tenth of a second too late in dodging some jab or maybe skull launch at melee
versed bloom
Is there any unique dialogue for either scenario or both combined
A. Making it to/Beating the final boss without any boons
B. Making it to/Beating the final boss without any upgrades from the mirror
turbid needle
I think there is for no mirror.
dense locust
for some reason i seem to recall there is not, but i may just be making that up
turbid needle
You're aware of the Meg dialogue without the mirror?
versed bloom
I am
dense locust
I can test scenario A
versed bloom
Admittedly it was totally by accident
dense locust
i need to take a break from this
versed bloom
I was saving for death defiance at the time
dull saffron
Yes! Just got my first ever full run clear! \o/
dense locust
alright you beat the game! what game will you play next? 😛
dull saffron
Was using Eternal Spear with Serrated Edge, Breaking Wave lv5, Tempest Flourish lv7, Urge to Kill lv4, and Exploding Launcher
dense locust
sounds like a winning run
those some high levels
exploding launcher is my favorite spear hammer
@versed bloom i assume hammers are okay, just no boons when the big man falls?
versed bloom
That was my thought yeah, hammers are fine but no boons from any of the gods
Including bouldy and chaos
and hermes
dense locust
actually i can say pretty confidently that there is no special dialogue
unless they added in a fun easter egg; but i say that because you are forced to pick up boons so i highly doubt they added in a special thing if you were able to sell all boons before killing hades
what if there was a special event
if you beat hades with no boons
except ambiguity bonus
versed bloom
The main thought behidn that is that in the story Zagreus needs the help of the gods to escape
And while you kind of do need boons to win
Doing so without boons circumvents the story beat where he required the help of Olympus to get out
dense locust
you are forced to accept boons at some point, but i will just sell them all either before styx or in styx
versed bloom
also wow
I really underestimated the daedelus hammer upgrade where the bull rush fires a piercing shot
dense locust
It can make for a fun build for sure
the base damage is pretty significant and it pierces
dense locust
I do sometimes regret taking it when it wasn't really the focus of my build though because having the escape of the bull rush is handy
seems to make blocking easier as well
proven robin
Y'know what would be bonkers? Having an achievement for completing your first run with a victory. As in, the cold open when you first start a file.
vivid solar
My first time casually playing sword and I got cursed slash and flurry slash and afked infront of asterius at full hp lol
proven robin
OH NO
versed bloom
It just comes out so ridiculously quick
I can't believe I never saw the value in it
vivid solar
I could imagine that with aphrodite attack and myrmidon bracer is legit unkillable
vivid solar
just facetanked hades too lol he stood no chance. athena call to heal to max if I got too low
cunning urchin
Just cleared MM + FO2 Barge of Death without taking damage + extra health for enemies and extra spawns without taking damage.
Divine Strike + Divine Dash on Malphon is pretty fun.
languid storm
I think I just found the perfect arthur build, or at least very very close to it
Divine Strike+Deadly Reversal+Heart Rend
use the aura, play baseball
languid storm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/711807092931035176/Hades_00020.png
This was very close, I wish I'd gotten the art-aphro duo
mighty ermine
this is gonna sound like a cop-out answer but i'd recommend you just experiment yourself to see what works
but just as a very general damage tip; flat damage additions like zeus are great for fast hitting weapons like fists or rail, while high scaling % is great for weapons with high base damage already i.e. guan yu, arthur etc.
crit is pretty flexible
same with athena
umbral lagoon
Okay, I think I haven't been capitalizing on the fists.
I'll try zeus, athena, artemis run next time
thanks!
mighty ermine
np!
umbral lagoon
I've been addicted to ares but now that i think about it i don't know how to use it beyond spreading doom
both arrow, fist, and shield have been somewhat disappointing
and leveling up doesn't help enough
proven robin
Doom works well paired with Athena.
There's a Duo boon you can get where any skills that can deflect autoactivate Doom.
mighty ermine
ares seems like a strong pick, and works fine for early game, but falls off pretty quickly unless it's used on an attack that's normally very weak or you manage to get merciful end like Syd mentioned
umbral lagoon
my legend/duo mirror trait hasn't been upgraded yet so
proven robin
....Yeah, you will want to pursue their Duo boon.
proven robin
Hunting Blades is excellent, especially paired with more Ares boons that boost blade rifts.
languid storm
How's blade rift with Hera?
I need to finish up ares
mighty ermine
not great unless you've gotten the hunting blades duo iirc
the blades can whiz right past your target
kind of the same thing aphro cast can do with hera
languid storm
Also WTF IS THE TINY VERMIN.
proven robin
OH BOY
mighty ermine
A LITTLE TIME WASTER IS WHAT
proven robin
Yeah, Tiny Vermin is A Problem.
mighty ermine
STOP DIGGING AND FIGHT ME LIKE A LITTLE MAN VERMIN
mighty ermine
every time i think i'm going to get a decent time and i run into tiny vermin
i just have to accept that i'll lose at least a minute to it
main ferry
elite versions of those pink laser things always shaft me
umbral lagoon
i feel like it should be slightly less bulky for being a meme boss
umbral lagoon
i just try to get some armor breaking skill
and then beatdown on it ignoring everything else
mighty ermine
basically focus it down as fast as possible
mighty ermine
yeah
umbral lagoon
same strat with butterflies lol
didn't even think about it
was like muscle memory
mighty ermine
though with hard labor (+% foe attack) those lasers can really, really hurt
umbral lagoon
TIL you can definitely pick easier heats
but also i'm in hell mode
so i can't
fml
i have died to hades 6 times now cause his attacks are too hard to dodge and do f u damage
proven robin
You'll get there!
winged dew
Yup Athena's dash significantly improves my odds of clearing
main ferry
Most of his attacks have very visible audio or visual cues a good half second before the attack will hit
And if you save your dashes it's easy to move out of the way
umbral lagoon
only ones i recognize are the spear spin and charge
main ferry
Keep your distance most of the time to dodge the green skulls too
main ferry
It's good to kill them asap but if they're far don't worry too much, just dodge the wave
umbral lagoon
same reason i had trouble with elygium
languid storm
Athena's Aid will put just about any build over the top\
umbral lagoon
i didn't play like a coward
winged dew
Does the skull hit you with a debuff or the green stuff in the screen is for impact
proven robin
It's a debuff.
main ferry
It's some kind of debuff called boiling blood but idk exactly what it does
languid storm
Damage Amp I think?
tepid ridge
It’s a debuff that makes you take more damage.
umbral lagoon
that actually explains a lot
winged dew
Does he get it if you bounce them back?
proven robin
Unsure on that.
tepid ridge
No.
main ferry
Don't think so
proven robin
Not that it changes my strat much if it did.
main ferry
Also where do you pick up roles
tepid ridge
You can unlock the same effect on your own casts through the mirror though
proven robin
Yep!
main ferry
in the discord
umbral lagoon
i think this is like the first game i've played where there aren't obvious solutions online haha
main ferry
Ah solid
winged dew
I face tanked so much of those trying to bounce them back last run hehehe
umbral lagoon
lol same
i'm trying to not use the double dash and stick with the ruthless one
and i miss deflects all the time
or i don't get the dash reflect since i have a total of 1 fated whatevers
languid storm
Is there any reason to upgrade hera if you're using the recharge cast instead of multi cast?
languid storm
I need 10k darkness for my next mirror upgrade, I'm taking whatever has teh buff
mighty ermine
@languid storm only for the sake of exit wounds, since that still works when stygian soul casts get "dislodged"
otherwise not much reason at all
and in fact would make boiling or abyssal blood harder to keep active if you're going that route
eager scarab
Wanna delve more into exagryph, it's my least used weapon, how should I go about it?
Boons, hammer, playstyle, aspects
What do
languid storm
I really like eris
cunning urchin
Dash-strike dash-strike dash-strike.
smoky wolf
I like drunken strike on exagryph. Never not 5 stacks of hangover
Zeus should also work
languid storm
Zeus/Poseidon go really well on exa if you get their duo and tempest strike
earnest ravine
Zeus attack on exagryph is scary good for every not-Hestia aspect.
mighty ermine
spread fire is super overtuned at the moment so maybe go wild with that while you can
earnest ravine
Spread Fire is like, ultra mega busted right now, as far as hammers go, but uh.. the rocket special and triple bomb are also really nice if that's not your taste.
smoky wolf
Maxed out Zagreus aspect + flurry shot hammer + explosive shot hammer gets very silly
eager scarab
I've used spread fire with artemis on attack once
smoky wolf
I need to play with it more, haven't used spread fire much. Some of the special upgrades are bonkers though
eager scarab
Mega busted
mighty ermine
you pretty much can't go wrong with zeus attack on exagryph unless you're running hestia and want Meaty Sniper Shots
smoky wolf
Hestia is the reload buff one right?
winged dew
I like the one that makes the special self centered and huge
mighty ermine
yeah
eager scarab
Haven't upgraded Hestia yet so won't go with that yet
I'll do an Eris Zeus/dionysus and see how that goes
Thanks
smoky wolf
Yeah I haven't upgraded most of the alternate exagryph ones much yet. Kinda been sleeping on them
lapis matrix
Hestia is weird since you have to manually reload so it doesn't count when entering a room nor firing the entire clip
And Auto reloading
smoky wolf
If you empty the magazine and then immediately hit manual reload, does it count?
lapis matrix
It does
smoky wolf
Good to know
lapis matrix
Eris is good for the damage boost
mighty ermine
it's definitely something you'll be doing constantly for bosses or minibosses, while most enemies can only handle one or two before being safely finished off with regular shots
eris is extremely flexible and good though yeah
and if you get rocket bomb you can just blow up a rocket on an enemy point blank for a more immediate buff
smoky wolf
I'm looking forward to seeing the other aspects that haven't been finished yet.
Since the final ones are always a huge change in playstyle
mighty ermine
definitely
interested in both the gameplay and backgrounds of the upcoming 4th aspects
lapis matrix
I think the last aspect of the rail is going be a modern gun of some sort
languid storm
I'm super hype for Aegis aspect
smoky wolf
Aspect of Rambo
languid storm
or like a blackpowder musket thing
Aspect of Napoleon
mighty ermine
blackbeard blunderbuss even
languid storm
^^^
smoky wolf
Oh man, that could be fun
I'd love if they did a Bruce Lee shout out with the malphon aspect
Although I'm sure there's an actual legendary figure who used gauntlets that I'm not aware of
winged dew
The man with the iron fist hehehe
proven robin
My guess is the fourth aspect of T H E G U N will be a sniper rifle.
So it'd be like Aspect of Häyhä
Or Aspect of Pavlichenko.
lapis matrix
That's sort of the Hestia Rifle already
mighty ermine
i could totally see that, but gameplay-wise hestia is almost already the "sniper" of the group
proven robin
I mean, shotgun is already covered by a Hammer mod.
And the Special is either a mortar or becomes a rocket launcher.
So artillery is already covered too.
umbral lagoon
just curious but does anyone know how much more content will be included prior to release of this game?
languid storm
Akimbo guns? Something like attack the two closest targets in a cone
umbral lagoon
so like 4 aspects for all current weapons prob right?
lapis matrix
So there is a new weapon?
mighty ermine
it's being wrapped up, relatively. some big stuff is the 4th aspects to be filled out, and getting a proper ending(s)
proven robin
That would be possible, but so far the hidden aspects are for legendary warriors from the future and not from Greece.
lapis matrix
Might be something from the past next
proven robin
So twin pistols would be weird since...nobody has been famous for those outside of outright fiction.
lapis matrix
Easier that way
mighty ermine
likely won't be from the past. pretty sure they want to keep the omniscient tone of the fates in line with seeing future aspects
like temporal anomalies
unkempt pagoda
i mean, they basically made up the greek mythology for the rail
i wouldn’t be surprised if they inserted a gun into another mythology as well
proven robin
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Malphon, I could imagine being given to an old-timey boxer, like say, John L Sullivan.
Shield, I have no idea since the only famous shield-users I can think of have been Greek, and there's no way they'd pull Steve Rogers.
languid storm
Steve would be pretty sweet though...
lapis matrix
Could be norse
proven robin
As for the bow....I mean, if it's not Robin Hood, then...maybe Rama from the Ramayana?
He was definitely famous for archery skills.
You don't get to string up the god of destruction's bow, then draw it back so far it snaps in half without having some serious archery chops.
languid storm
Tbh Norse hell would be an awesome expansion
Why are we in norse hell? Demeter has ruined everyone.
proven robin
Eh, I wouldn't be too excited.
earnest ravine
Grats!
lethal tangle
Chaos shield and a lot of demeter buffs
cunning urchin
Not enjoying EM3 currently. They have sooo much HP, and that spin does broken amounts of damage.
cunning urchin
I'm playing on 32 heat, so they have +30% HP, +40% speed, +60% or more damage, . . .
lapis matrix
Damn
visual dust
mmmm heat 32 so much "fun"
I found buffing everything but speed made the 32 heat a lot easier
turbid needle
Spin needs to be gated behind Asterius's second phase.
cunning urchin
Maybe. I made it to the heroes with 3 DDs, around 200 HP, and over 3 minutes left.
turbid arch
Elysium is heavily inconsistent in that regard.
Finding Patroclus, Thanatos and/or a Healing Well is a huge relief on the time constraints.
Chaos gates as well.
dense locust
maybe a beam weapon for the 4th aspect
turbid arch
Well, and shops of course.
turbid needle
Wow, Triple and Chain Shot make Styx a joke.
dense locust
That sounds fun
I like the bow hammer combinations
I just wish flurry shot and explosive shot were allowed together...
turbid needle
That's so incredibly busted, though.
At least it would be at Flurry Shot's regular fire rate.
dense locust
haha yeah i imagine if they ever did allow it, they would reduce the damage of explosions
but just an aoe flury shot
i gues flurry chain kinda accomplishes that
dense locust
i think they should allow relentless volley with charged volley
turbid needle
Getting both Triple Chain and Lightning Phalanx on this build makes me think that all bouncing property attacks need fixing.
dense locust
then i might actually pick up charged volley
turbid needle
Are you sure it's not that Charged Volley and Chiron are incompatible?
dense locust
the wiki could be out of date but it says you can't get those two hammers together
also chiron
turbid needle
Fastest bow run I've done yet (game was acting up and I ended up clicking out of the boss screen before I could highlight what I wanted), I'd like to try this Hammer combo with a proper Deadly Strike/Heart Rend build.
Maybe some more Chaos boons to go with it.
dense locust
would you put aphrodite on special?
dense locust
the problem I run into with some heart rend builds is keeping up that weak or having bad ways of applying, but yeah, that's why empty inside is great
turbid needle
Oh, that is cheesy.
Epic Shrouded Affluence, 4 chambers. I take it right before the Hydra shop, walk into the first room of Elysium (with the overhang/wallpaper spot) and the curse clears.
dense locust
yeah i love when you get those perfectly timed curses that literally have no affect on you
Although if you have no fated persuasions, sometimes you can be forced into a really terrible chaos curse right before the boss
dusty tiger
Me before I got into cast runs: “Pffft cast is bad, I even have to pick my stuff back up.”
Me after experiencing the power of Lightning Rod: “DIE, WRETCHED SHADES, I AM UNSTOPPABLE-”
turbid needle
And then you pick up Greater Recall for the first time and you realize you've been duped considering that Duo.
wintry plume
that's why i use stygian soul
dusty tiger
Artemis Zeus cast run is fun
cunning urchin
I think Lightning Rod works nice in a "throw it and forget about it" way—in builds that don't really focus on cast.
vestal patrol
lightning rod is one of my favourite boons
young gorge
the one time that chaos curse works well
cunning urchin
If you do pick it up, you can just throw it again. But you can just like yeet one cast across the room, and it will keep hitting enemies there while you're fighting at the other end of the room.
young gorge
that's fair, but i still find it annoying ngl bcs they return to you after some ammount of time
it just doesn't contribute much to straight up damage output
cunning urchin
Not if you run away from them.
Zagreus: Nooooo! Get away from me, Bloodstones!
Bloodstones: Bzzt! Zap! Bzzt!
—Ancient Greek canon, probably
young gorge
put that down in the list of reason why lightning rod is bad
viscid vale
are diamonds really useful for some quests ? i've read here so but it's not said ingame
its said they are useful for unlocking decos and trade
young gorge
there's certain stuff that will require diamonds for you to unlock that's story related down the road
real nebula
Onto asphodel and I have more chaos boons than normal boons lol
viscid vale
is it only the music or...?
mystic vale
I'm not sure if I'm done with diamonds or not. I currently am, but the contractor has added stuff to his menus before.
young gorge
i mean have you gotten all the characther related contractor things?
There's like 2-3 iirc
after the admin chamber opens up
mystic vale
I've had the admin chamber open for five or six runs now. Hades made a snarky comment about it but nothing else has happened.
young gorge
oh yeah you need to befriend some of the characthers for things to open up too
mystic vale
Yeah, I've focused on Achilles, Cerberus, Dusa, Meg, Sisyphus/Bouldy, Eurydice/Orpheus. Just now catching up on Skelly and Nyx. Ill eventually get around to Hypnos and various deities.
Oh, and Patroclus is in the first half of the list.
young gorge
oh yeah nyx is usually the trigger for those bcs she tells u the things you need to find so yeah look out for that i suppouse too
mystic vale
I even know from before I unlocked admin access that I'm supposed to find and tear up someone's contract but no one has mentioned that after I opened admin access.
young gorge
yeahh usually its either rng being unkind to you or you haven't progressed enough in the relationship meter yet
just check admin chamber when nyx tells you to and you should get the contracts after a run
viscid vale
i'm far from having developed all relations...but yea ive unlocked all the contractor stuff ive seen and the administrative chamber, its been a few runs
doing my boy dirty with this frat pin-up poster https://pasteboard.co/J8Wl8Gt.png
mystic vale
I'm afraid. I need an adult.
viscid vale
its a screenshot of my game dw
just bought the Aphrodite's scroll
dk why the link doesnt preshow here
i have like 6 diamonds for the first time so idk if ill spend them on music or wait for potential quest developments
mystic vale
I'm sitting on four but someone just actually acknowledged that I opened the admin room so I'll hold on to them.
Sometimes I stop in Eurydice's chamber and just let her sing for a bit. I mean, I've heard it dozens of times but still...
viscid vale
I prefer Orpheus version but I admit both are amazing
mystic vale
When I hear Orpheus sing, I can only think of castrati.
viscid vale
i was more like thinking of some rockstars with high pitched voices
mystic vale
Ah, spear came up. Time to test this GY boi out. Just got the last blood to fully GY it too.
Stubborn Defiance and Thick Skin for this one.
And I recall Mewmew cautioned me to try heat 0 first...
young gorge
imagine starting out with 25 health oh god
cunning urchin
I don't think Stubborn Defiance is good for it. But you can give it a try.
mystic vale
I figure I'd probably die somewhere early.
I don't expect to make it to the end but I may surprise me.
cunning urchin
And I recall Mewmew cautioned me to try heat 0 first...
I think what I said was it's okay to try it at Lv.1 or Lv.3 or something if you play on 0 heat.
viscid vale
i thought i was gonna die during my rail run with 3 heat (yea i'm weak) but i completed it, yaaayy
also i met aphro plenty of times this time
and my keepsake did nothing...i had Hermes keepsake...and...i didn't get any swiftness bonus
even in the quickest rooms
lol
young gorge
was it under 30 secs? i think that's the treshold for plume
cunning urchin
Doesn't it vary for different chambers?
pastel jolt
cunning urchin
Yeah, only in the last chamber in Styx.
cunning urchin
If you can clear TD consistently, you can get the Lambent Plume bonus consistently in chambers.
mystic vale
Hmmm..health upgrade or Aphrodite...
viscid vale
aph
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite.
young gorge
usually go for boons tbh
mystic vale
I got +244% darkness from Chaos. Darkness will full heal me. :p
cunning urchin
Heartbreak, Frost, and Divine Strike are all really good on Guan Yu.
Oh, that's sweet.
@viscid vale I used to run Lambent Plume a lot, but I don't really like it anymore. Dodge doesn't work on attacks where it would matter most.
The movement speed is nice, though.
But you can't use boon keepsakes if you use it early, and you don't get much of a bonus if you use it late.
mystic vale
And Thunder Flourish. This should be interesting. C'mon, Divine Dash.
viscid vale
i think i won't use it anymore, i'm too slow anyway
my best run is 47 minutes...
i take my time
young gorge
oooh yeah that's a lot of taking yiur time
cunning urchin
I used to break every urn in every chamber lol.
young gorge
enjoy the scenery, it is a pretty game after all
viscid vale
it is
cunning urchin
Now half the time I don't see gold urns until I'm already leaving the room.
neon fiber
Aye
Elysium is a e s t h e t i c
mystic vale
Oh, and I got Breaching Skewer right away.
Best benefit of coin pouch: I get a hammer first room about half the time.
Also, I didn't even know perfect catches were a thing. No wonder my fish list is half empty.
cunning urchin
Hai.
viscid vale
we learn every day
mystic vale
Life Affirmation 42% thank you Aphrodite.
viscid vale
also ive done my 10th successful run, yayy
mystic vale
Mewmew is both wise and benevolent. All hail!
viscid vale
hail
mystic vale
I swear I click as the flash is happening in my perception, and still haven't gotten a rare fish. 😦
Now if I can get Demeter to give me Nourished Soul, I'll be silly.
Also got 17% Different League. :x
cunning urchin
Life Affirmation 42% thank you Aphrodite.
That was genuinely my #1 reason why I recommended going for her boon lol.
neon fiber
What did affirmation do again?
young gorge
balances out the gy
neon fiber
Oh nice
mystic vale
I'm currently -50, +42.
young gorge
i should've gone from aphro
mystic vale
So only -8%.
mystic vale
I liked Aphro just for weak too.
mystic vale
Glad I took Stubborn though. Tisiphone pegged me. I learned a lesson though. Don't bother with spin vs. bosses. Just chuck that spear.
TVTropes has you covered: Boring, but Practical. :p
west totem
Claustrophobia grinch
neon fiber
Tisi’s not that bad once you’ve learned her patterns
Her making the room smaller tends to work more against her than anything else
mystic vale
She hit me once or twice and I was all "I can gain the life back." NOPE.
Every time I tried charging, she stunned me.
neon fiber
Her making the room smaller is peak “congratulations you played yourself”
viscid vale
lmao
west totem
Maybe she wants to make Meg jealous by getting close to you
cunning urchin
Fighting Tisiphone makes me happy.
neon fiber
Also her stun is annoying, but once you learn to tell when she’s about to do it she becomes next to harmless
mystic vale
Alecto is the one I never want to be the main.
west totem
Bro i just want to give her a glass of water
neon fiber
@cunning urchin me too, she’s best fury
cunning urchin
Fighting Alecto makes me lose DDs.
neon fiber
Alecto is scary and can stay away as far as she wants
mystic vale
I'll take Tisi or Meg over getting homing spiked blades to the face.
neon fiber
God, Alecto with Tisi support was a nightmare
Especially because i had a maimed chaos penalty
west totem
Oh gods that can happen?
neon fiber
It can and did happen
Never have i been more grateful to have Trippy Shot
mystic vale
I expect to die once during 7 headed Hydra phase too. Hence Stubborn Defiance.
So yes, if I make it to the end, I will probably lose for lack of DDs.
But Stubborn is just so I get to the end and learn more along the way.
cunning urchin
If Alecto with Tisiphone aid is a nightmare, what's Alecto with Tisiphone + HL5 + FO2 + CP2?
+100% damage, +40% speed, +30% HP.
neon fiber
Oof
neon fiber
May the fates have mercy on your poor soul
grave compass
I will never insult demeter cast again
Got it heroic and only lvl 2 (no duo)
It absolutely destroyed tisiphone and i was using hades spear so the extra dps just ate him 🤣
Dem call though... nearly kamikazid me
Had a version of hades that insisted on calling pots every 5 seconds, that plus heighted security and nowhere was safe for me
cunning urchin
I think I made it through with 1 DD and very little health that run lol. I try to not set HL to +100% damage anymore.
Though maybe I should lower FO instead and increase HL again.
mystic vale
The spin still seems generally bad unless you're spawn camping the adds in a room. Maybe if I get to hammer it to be faster...
cunning urchin
Asphodel has been really hard on 32 heat. All those instant explosion bombs.
west totem
Man im assuming these acronyms are pacts
cunning urchin
I almost never do just the regular spin, almost always the dash spin.
HL = Hard Labor
FO = Forced Overtime
CP = Calisthenics Program
Try punching those Inferno Bombers with Malphon and dashing away in time on FO2 when they die and drop that bomb . . .
mystic vale
Is that with the dash before I charge, or charge and then dash to release?
cunning urchin
Charge and then dash to release.
It moves you right behind the spin, so you can do another dash and get inside the spin where you don't really get hit. And just generally it keeps you mobile.
mystic vale
86 life and just the one death to Tis so far.
No doubt hydra will fix my little red wagon.
cunning urchin
I try to make sure to always leech HP from the last 1-2 enemies in a wave.
Even if it can be slow to do that.
mystic vale
...Or I'll take 1 point of magma damage and that's it.
I wonder why I have such an easier time with Hydra than Furies.
Doesn't dash at me, I guess.
cunning urchin
In Elysium you can even let the last enemy resurrect over and over and easily top your HP. But sometimes your spin will kill the little shade right as it comes out, so that's something to be careful with.
The Hydra is very predictable and there are a lot of downtimes that give you a moment to rest or think.
mystic vale
Hrrrm. How does Massive Spin interact with GY?
Got that, Serrated Edge, and Charged Skewer for 2nd hammer.
mystic vale
Oh yes, much bigger. Yummy.
cunning urchin
Spin hits in a wider area, so you can more easily leech HP from groups of enemies and keep them stunned.
vivid solar
I feel like the increased damage pact is undervalued at just 1 heat each
cunning urchin
If you have Divine Strike, the deflect area of the spin will also be bigger.
Hmm. Well, Benefits Package 1 is 2 heat and that's way worse than Hard Labor 2.
stable onyx
bruh im trying to get special damage and chaos hitting me with a second legendary boon in same run
mystic vale
122 life. Feeling buuuuffffff.
cunning urchin
If you apply weak to enemies consistently, that's effectively 174 HP.
mystic vale
25% dodge thanks Hermes.
cunning urchin
Very nice.
mystic vale
Yeah I need to dash strike some to apply weak more consistently.
Thanks for the remind.
Ouch 22% Sweet Surrender or Unhealthy Fixation...
(Lol no 24 point Passion Dash.)
I'll take Fixation. If Surrender shows up in Styx, fine.
And Splitting Bolt in the same room. ❤️ trial.
lament coral
but did you win tho?
gray lintel
i mean last time I showed up with like a gadzillion death defiances, I also had like 450 health with every single damage resistance option in the game(including Aspect of Truck), easily spammed athena attacks for deflect, and Athena's legendary
so I took like
100 damage the whole fight? 
it was amusing that the one time I got the extra death defiance legendary chaos boon, I went the entire game without needing a single one :p
stable onyx
same happened to me now lol
i got 2 chaos legendaries before in the same run
so this is 2nd time it happened
mystic vale
gwjobfiqejnvwjnw
Lost to champs. Bloody Theseus and his bloody spear the bloody pegs me if I'm ever NOT behind a column for .1 seconds.
Going back to killing him first.
mossy breach
thats a bad idea
mystic vale
Tried this killing Asterius first thing and I take more damage that way every time.
mossy breach
If you attack theseus first you'll regret it
mystic vale
Dude I have 0 deaths to killing Theseus first and 2 to killing Asterius first.
I do just fine killing Theseus first, because Asterius does a horrible job of finding me if I ever get him off screen.
mossy breach
I cant imagine fighting both when he calls the gods
stoic thicket
Thus far in every single one of my runs where I've reached Styx I killed Asterius first, that works perfectly fine.
mystic vale
Meanwhile if I go after Asterius first, I'm taking 20-40 damage every 10-15 seconds because I'm busy dashing away from Asterius and into douchebag's spear.
stoic thicket
Way easier to dodge the Olympians and his spear when there isn't an angry house sized bull in your face.
mystic vale
And if I don't dash into the spear, Asterius clips me.
He's not in my face though.
If I kill Theseus first, I do it by luring Ast into a corner first. It takes him a good 15-20 seconds to find me. Then I lose him again.
Meanwhile, Theseus gets my full attention and his spear never hits me.
I occasionally get clipped by a god for single digit damage.
But that's way better than getting constantly perforated by his spear.
I mean you do what works for you, but for me, killing Asterius first is a no go.
mossy breach
hug the pillars when theseus is aiming, thats the easiest way for me
cunning urchin
You can kite Asterius behind a pillar and just fight him there. If Theseus happens to get close, just move and kite again.
But killing Theseus first is fine, too.
neon fiber
Yeah, the pillars can help you cheese some of their moves
The shield of chaos proper also helps you with some of their more annoying moves save for Theseus’ call
cunning urchin
Taking a hit from Asterius while you're looking for where Theseus is to make sure you're safe from him is also not as bad as taking a spear from Theseus because you're only paying attention to Asterius.
In my experience, anyway.
mystic vale
Yeah, Asterius is something like 12 a hit with low heat.
Theseus is 20.
Possibly 40 if you're right where the spear hits and he insta-recalls it.
cunning urchin
With Chaos Aspect I always end up killing them at about the same time lol.
west totem
Asterius has that bullcrap bullrush tho
its not that strong but dang its difficult to dodge
mystic vale
Which doesn't matter if he's on the opposite end of the arena from you. :p
cunning urchin
Dash through a pillar for that one, so he crashes into it.
west totem
Bruh moment
cunning urchin
If you dash around it, he'll likely move around it.
mystic vale
Asterius is also a straight up joke pre-EM 3 with shield. But I was using GY.
west totem
dang eurydice unintentionally teaching us
mystic vale
Oooh I suffered all curses. Go me.
Alright, Rail's up. High confidence, let's rock this.
cunning urchin
It's actually the flamewheels that teach you that, in a way. They behave the same way as his run. His run is just faster.
(They will also explode if they crash into a wall or pillar.)
mystic vale
Running everything in green for the mirror except Gods' Pride and Death Defiance.
This game's actually making me want to go back and finish Bastion. I have it but never played it very far 'cause I'm not usually good at action games.
Also, let me tell you, getting old is awesome and you all have so much to look forward to. :p
mystic vale
Could be.
And I could be eighty.
We'll never know.
(Actually that's probably closer to my I.Q. than my age but nevermind.)
mystic vale
Do you? I don't.
neon fiber
||74 years old|| Mewmew
cunning urchin
Breaking News: Beautiful Duwang found swimming with the fishes.
cunning urchin
It's a mystery.
mystic vale
To everyone.
...Y'know, SGG missed an opportunity here.
In the very first run, when Athena shows up, she should hand you Stygius and say "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this."
And I'd feedback that but it would just get downvoted. :p
neon fiber
poseidon trinket 2stronk, sent me to the sea
west totem
You dont have to be in feedback to get thumbs down kek
neon fiber
instead of sending the boon to me the conch sent me to the boon
dry ember
Nice. I'm just hoping Artemis stops offering me common Deadly Strikr
west totem
The magic conch knows whats best
neon fiber
you'll take your crits and you'll like them young man
mystic vale
Crits build character.
mystic vale
Only 5,215 to my next mirror upgrade. :x
dry ember
Fated Authority?
dry ember
Yeah I bought the first one for 1k
The 2nd one jumps to 5k
I said to myself nah I'd rather go with Authority
neon fiber
fox pls
arti is only small numbers if you play with small brain and don't pick the good stuff
dry ember
I mean common Arti
neon fiber
fair
dry ember
I love Arti don't get me wrong
mystic vale
Shouldn't that be Arte if you love her so much? :p
dry ember
Idk Arti sounds cuter?
mystic vale
Arty if you're going for cute.
dry ember
Fair
mystic vale
I gotta recommend the coin pouch to y'all for Tartarus. I usually get my hammer before I start getting boons that way and it's a lot easier to build when hammer comes first. :p
Does anyone else use High Confidence regularly?
lament coral
not me
dry ember
Not me
lament coral
it's simply not reliable enough to be worth the effort
dry ember
I'm the low confidence kind of person
mystic vale
I find with that and fiery presence, I can one-shot a lot with the Bow/Rail.
dry ember
I also use Chthonic Vitality
mystic vale
You're like my evil opposite.
dry ember
Muahahahaha
I take Dark Regen when doing non full gauge heat runs.
The darkness heal you get after killing bosses is nice
But for full gauge runs with blood diamond etc as rewards
DR just doesn't seem worth it.
mystic vale
Still troves and wells.
Trying out Benefits Package for Heat 2. I've got a prophecy for it anyhow.
mossy breach
am i the only one that summons bouldy mostly for the health? 
mystic vale
If I had a Bouldy summon that gave health, I'd consider it.
vivid solar
theseus and asterius is basically ornstein and smough 
dry ember
But I have Meg and Than instead
mystic vale
I can't give either of them any more nectars though so apparently I need to wait longer.
I only even have Meg. :p
dry ember
||Do you have access to Administrative Chamber?||
cunning urchin
I always take Dark Regen.
dry ember
Also I always find Theseus and Asterius very similar to Asterisk and Obelix
Just more edgy
cunning urchin
I think it was actually @mystic vale who convinced me to give it another try after writing it off after the first two. I get a lot more out of it than the 3 healing every chamber.
mystic vale
There are some mirror options I change for each weapon but Dark Regen is not one of them.
I've been merrily praising DR ever since I first got it.
First piece of advice I'll give to new players. :p
cunning urchin
One big thing is that often you'll get to essentially buy 2 healing items from shops instead of 1.
mystic vale
It works well with troves, chaos boons, darkness rooms, wells, and heats you've previously cleared bosses on.
Yep.
cunning urchin
Because buying Darkness will heal you, too.
dry ember
Yeah DR is nice and all. But everytime I walk pass a door with CV, I feel warm and fuzzy with the little +3 popping up.
mystic vale
And darkness you buy is still affected by Chaos Boons, upping the healing even more.
dry ember
Ik buying Darkness from the shops will get you healing
cunning urchin
Also at 21+ heat, there are no bounties.
dry ember
I thought that was 32?
mystic vale
So DR is just generally pretty good. The only place it is consistently outperformed by CV is in the temple, and that's only if you find the sack before the well in my experience.
cunning urchin
Sack and well are always in the same room.
mystic vale
When I say well, I mean Well of Charon.
The shops.
Not the giant healing fountain.
cunning urchin
It's not a good idea to clear more tunnels after getting the sack.
dry ember
But greed is good
mystic vale
Right, so if you don't find the well (in one of the tunnels) before you find the fountain/sack, you won't have a chance to purchase any darkness for healing.
dry ember
I farm gold for the Titan Blood and almost die to Hades
mystic vale
Also, Darkness Troves (which count down really slowly) also become healing troves. ^_^
dry ember
I would love to do some number crunching between CV and DR
tepid ridge
I would say clearing more pays off about 30% of the time if it’s a boon you’ve been wanting.
cunning urchin
Hades will drop Titan Blood anyway.
One of the most important things for me to make my runs more consistent was going to straight to Hades after finding the sack.
dry ember
Yeah but I get an extra one.
cunning urchin
Well, and spending any leftover gold before that.
mystic vale
Golden Touch is the other mirror option I'll defend to (Zagreus's) death.
cunning urchin
Getting another boon or even two is not worth it if you lose ~40 HP or something for it.
And things can go wrong easily in Styx.
mystic vale
Yeah, the spawns in Styx are not usually ones I'm comfortable fighting extras of.
dry ember
Let's say you clear 60 rooms per run, which is about average for me, considering sack RNG, you get more than 180 HP from CV, that's not counting the transitional chambers between biomes.
Can DR get you more than 180 HP in a bounty run?
mystic vale
I usually find some way to take damage unless 1) it's almost all the mine layers or 2) it's mostly gorgon heads, and I'm using Aegis.
cunning urchin
Yes. Easily.
cunning urchin
I wouldn't get 180 HP or whatever from it anyway because I don't take damage in most Tartarus chambers.
mystic vale
Unless she dips into a Chaos portal.
dry ember
I mean the same can also be applied for DR
mystic vale
The only way CV heals more is if you're going out of your way to avoid darkness.
dry ember
And it costs gold for Darkness. Which is less efficient.
mystic vale
Just try it. :p
dry ember
I know. I have tried
mystic vale
Darkness is cheaper than normal heal from store.
cunning urchin
Not dying is more efficient.
dry ember
Just don't take damage
cunning urchin
A DD costs more than a little bit of Darkness for healing.
dry ember
5head
mystic vale
Which reminds me, I'm supposed to be failing a Rail run.
dry ember
How do you fail a rail run?
dry ember
Well he gets to see Hypnos either way.
mystic vale
I'm not yet able to match your 107% win rate, Mewmew. :p
cunning urchin
Hey, don't be sad. I have a 0% win rate at 32 heat now.
mystic vale
Ugh. Passing up Premium Vintage and High Tolerance to take Drunken Dash? I want Black Out for the prophecy. Sigh. No, I'm taking Vintage and hoping Drunken Strike shows.