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#h1-builds-and-combat
pliant palm
silk river
can't be worse than a bow
proven robin
For me, it's more that the spin attack is hard to charge, so usually I'm just mashing Special.
sly sonnet
I had runs where I melted final boss
pliant palm
I'm only at heat 1 on spear :c
mystic vale
Got him!
proven robin
The spear is versatile and can work at all ranges.
silk river
sword with hidden aspect is pretty good
proven robin
Yeah, that is a good one, but...the sword in general, I just don't have the style down.
sly sonnet
My favorite weapons are fists , then rail/sword/spear, and least favorite shield/bow
silk river
for me it's like fists>gun>sword>shield>spear>bow
mystic vale
Demeter didn't give me anything I wanted, but it all worked out in the end.
sly sonnet
Interesting
pliant palm
Nemesis, aphro on attack and artemis on special, go for heart rend, and then maybe athena dahs for deadly reversal
sly sonnet
Spear is so good once you get hammer upgrades
pliant palm
Something like that
sly sonnet
but its crucial you get em
silk river
if i play with a bow i always pray for that upgrade that makes it auto shoot
silk river
also gun+shotgun upgrade is just op
pliant palm
Spreadfire ?
sly sonnet
My favvorite bow runs are just arrows that seek foes and then artemks special on lock on arrows
so I have a million arrows locking on
silk river
maybe i don't remember tbh
turbid needle
Yeah, Spread Fire.
proven robin
My fave Hammer mod for T H E G U N is the Triple Bomb, or possibly Delta Chamber.
pliant palm
Rocket for me
turbid needle
How dare you come into this chat, with my name, and preach your love of Delta Chamber?
silk river
spread fire or infite ammo
silk river
the other ones are just meh
turbid needle
Hazard Bomb is fun on Hestia.
proven robin
Hilariously, the only time Hazard Bomb came up was when I had Aspect of Eris on.
turbid needle
But Cluster Rockets on Eris is probably the strongest Exagryph gets.
proven robin
...And it was one of the Fated Choices, so I took it just for the list.
turbid needle
You can get the damage bonus while dodging the explosion, but it's really hard.
sly sonnet
Thanks for the cool build ideas
pliant palm
Idk, all the gun upgrades are somewhat at least decent
sly sonnet
imma go to sleep now
proven robin
Night!
sly sonnet
Night
silk river
i'll be going soon as well gotta grind those gems tomorrow
pliant palm
Delta chamber is prob the worst one if you play with zagreus aspect
silk river
it's painfully slow
hazy yacht
this was... some kind of run, i'm not sure
excalibur is slooooow
first time using it
silk river
but special is op tho
magic dagger
try getting crits
mystic vale
I want a keepsake that makes my first boon a hammer. :p
pliant palm
Athena on attack and dash + artemis on special
mystic vale
(Exagryph is my weapon this run.)
proven robin
...Does anyone else like Zeus upgrading the Attack for the fists?
mystic vale
Can't rely on Spread Fire showing so need to plan around what I can control.
pliant palm
I managed to get a 3.3k crit on a big rat today, with Excalibur
proven robin
...WOw.
silk river
zeus on attack is uselss
pliant palm
No ?
turbid needle
It's super powerful on Malphon and Exagryph.
lapis matrix
Given the low damage of the main attack it doubles or triples the damage I think?
pliant palm
Maybe it's not optimal, but it nice to play with different build
mystic vale
Piercing Fire and Inescapable Blast - both prophecy.
silk river
maube it's just me then
pliant palm
Rather than just athena/artemis/aphro x)
silk river
i took it once for prophecy and never again since
maybe i should give it second chance
pliant palm
I really hope Lightning Rod will get a buff/rework one day...
mystic vale
Frost Flourish + Inescapable Blast? Or not as great as it sounds?
Probably still better to go Heartbreak Flourish for more damage.
proven robin
Yeah, Malphon's attack damage is so low that additive boosts are better than percentage.
ANd since there's lots of attacks, you get so many procs that it adds up.
pliant palm
Hmmm
silk river
still i just don't like zeus
proven robin
But this does go into my specific play style with Malphon.
So I don't know how it is with other folks.
silk river
i'll take him only on a dash
pliant palm
Zeus isn't that good by itself, but if you can get jolted and/or his leg
It gets really good
proven robin
Even without it, I like it for the fists.
pliant palm
Ye, Zeus on attack, Artemis on whatever, go for support fire
mystic vale
Does the slow effect on Blast count for Privileged Status?
pliant palm
Even better on rail
neon fiber
Hades: spear
Zeus: shield
Poseidon: sword
Hera: bow
Hestia: g u n
proven robin
Yeah, agreed.
neon fiber
also support fire is great in all weapons, probably one of the best boons out there
pliant palm
Pressure point best boon
proven robin
Ahhh, yes.
lapis matrix
It's not much but every bit helps
proven robin
Yep!
silk river
best call?
opal glade
Does the slow effect on Blast count for Privileged Status?
@mystic vale i dont think so, it didnt register the last time i did it
proven robin
Best call for me depends on the weapon.
pliant palm
Athena
opal glade
Aphrodites call is hilarious to use on hades
lapis matrix
True it always helps
proven robin
Athena is my fave for the fists and anything that just...you wanna get in there and Do Damage.
pliant palm
Poseidon worst one
proven robin
I can get by on Ares, though.
silk river
for me it's aphrodite or artemis
hazy yacht
with malphon, you can get 200-300 crits with basic attack by taking the daedalus that gives +5 per hit in the combo and artemis' boon
proven robin
Worst for me is Aphrodite.
hazy yacht
its pretty nasty
pliant palm
I like the Dio one, good for both bosses and room clear
proven robin
I've never been able to put it to good use.
silk river
2.5k dmg is solid on bosses
hazy yacht
aphrodite has my favorite duos
opal glade
Yeah the 2.5k is pretty baller
silk river
ye
proven robin
Hm.
mystic vale
Chamber 10 and I've had three gem/key rooms so far (note I don't have the diamond upgrades for those.)
opal glade
Play style usually determines the usefulness of each god; i prefer dionysus for AOE hangover damage
opal glade
If i dont have any other defensives i usually use athena's call to take a hit
lapis matrix
Dionysus can bump up the damage pretty quickly on his call
pliant palm
Yep
opal glade
Dionysus/demeter on strike fists is hella cause of stack
proven robin
I need to experiment more with various Calls.
Basically, having a plan for any combination of things is helpful.
opal glade
Cause the speed/frequency means that you can stack up real quick
proven robin
Even the "worst" boons can be utilized if you know how to work it.
turbid needle
It's 15 at Common level 1.
So a full stack would be 75 damage per tick, or 150 DPS.
lapis matrix
It's still good at common
proven robin
Wow, that's...yeah, that isn't bad at all!
opal glade
It iiiis
hazy yacht
honestly for dionysus the only way i really like to use him is if i don't have a better call and his is available
his call is really efficient
proven robin
I tend to go with either Athena or Ares because I am a punk who likes being invincible.
opal glade
I just prefer dionysus overall except his cast is not the first id go for
silk river
same here Syd
opal glade
Athena strike/dash is great for invulnerbility
opal glade
If you have privileged status, dio/dem on strike or dash and cast/aphr is a good bet on
lapis matrix
Yup
opal glade
Long status and stackable effects
paper mountain
Question: How do Cast boons interact with Hestia gun? It loads the crystal...where does the Cast effect go? Does it become the shot?
opal glade
Demeters cast is not very good tho i dont like it
hazy yacht
i thought it procs the cast effect centered on the enemy that's hit or the location of the enemy when you hit it
turbid needle
That's Hera.
hazy yacht
ah
paper mountain
I do mean Hera maybe? The one that loads the crystal
Gotta brush up on my Bulfinch...
proven robin
I haven't tried Aspect of Hera yet.
How is it?
Like, what do people like to do with it?
lapis matrix
Depending on how it's casted it'll appear after you fire the shot or it'll appear where it hits the enemy after a delay
paper mountain
I went a whole run scared to take a cast boon with it and was great
So take that anecdote how you will
turbid needle
Take Trippy Shot and revel in an Aspect that functions almost as well at level 1 as it does 5.
Zag Bow is slowly gaining popularity but a lot of people consider Hera to be its strongest Aspect.
opal glade
Trippy shot has mad impact damage
proven robin
So far I've liked the Aspect of Chiron.
opal glade
And the stun chefs kiss
turbid needle
With Trippy Shot in particular leveling it does literally nothing.
lapis matrix
It takes a while to level up
turbid needle
Chiron is cool, too.
proven robin
Though even the default is good, if you use it well.
The Special on the default is great for clearing projectiles and for shotgunning close enemies.
And if you're panicking and just need to fire something right away without charging, it can be useful to just get a bit of damage in.
shrewd brook
Chiron is amazing with so many gods
I think Ares and Aphrodyte are the only ones who don't have specials that work well with Chiron
turbid needle
Aphrodite still does just from the sheer damage.
shrewd brook
True. But bouncing Douchebag King is so much fun, though
hazy yacht
Zeus doesn't work well with Chiron either
shrewd brook
really? I never tried it but I thought all arrows would cause the lightning bolt
shrewd brook
sad
proven robin
Wait, really?
hazy yacht
Nope. It has an internal cool down of like 0.25 sec
lapis matrix
Ares might actually
proven robin
I never had a chance to try it, but it stands to reason...
lapis matrix
If you get another boon from him
pliant palm
I guess Aphro + Dio would be good, if you can get the duo
lapis matrix
The stacking doom damage
lean root
I have enough to unlock a couple levels. Can you only use one aspect at a time? Or can you unlock multiple and select them all?
pliant palm
Only 1
lapis matrix
Just one
shrewd brook
yeah, afro on attack and dio on special would be nice with the duo
pliant palm
Imagine using all the sword aspect at once
shrewd brook
and +4 arrows hammer
lean root
LOL, that's why I asked
lapis matrix
More blood can be earned
lean root
Any recommendation on which to unlock first? I cycle through all the weapons so it's no issue about which weapon I like to use
lapis matrix
Some aspects are locked behind certain investments
turbid needle
Chaos is definitely the Shield's strongest Aspect.
pliant palm
Bow is just hard to play for beginners imo
shrewd brook
hera bow is... luck reliant. even if you use correct keepsakes. also a bit restrictive in terms of good casts
turbid needle
Zeus is like the spear; it's super hard, but eventually our donguri (extremely talented Devil May Cry YouTuber) is gonna show up and beat the game in like 3 minutes with it.
pliant palm
Zag is easier
lapis matrix
I suppose
shrewd brook
chiron bow is great imho
turbid needle
Zag requires you to be able to consistently power shot.
shrewd brook
a bit more open ended than hera
silk river
bow is too slow for me
turbid needle
Chiron and Hera do not have that requirement.
pliant palm
True
unkempt pagoda
chaos shield and demeter fists may need a couple of blood invested before you should use them, i've heard many times on here that the first level doesn't actually give you an extra special
silk river
only usable with auto-shot
unkempt pagoda
though i'm not sure entirely
lapis matrix
Talos fists is good too
turbid needle
Hard disagree.
lapis matrix
It's true
lean root
I have 6 bloods so I can level up something decently, I think
lapis matrix
Chaos shield only gives you one extra shield at first
pliant palm
Bow is great, if you can get hunter dash and do reliable power shot
lapis matrix
Flurry shot?
unkempt pagoda
the auto-shot hammer
turbid needle
You no longer charge your shot, hold down Attack to constantly fire them.
opal glade
I usually use Q for bow instead of flurry shot, i reverse the boons
silk river
yep best hammer upgrade for bow
unkempt pagoda
eh
pliant palm
Q ๐
unkempt pagoda
it's good but i find it boring
opal glade
Yeah i cant be bothered to aim, dont particularly like the bow because of the speed ngl
unkempt pagoda
much prefer something like chain shot + triple shot and watch crowds get decimated
lapis matrix
Eris Rail is okay
opal glade
Up close, its basically a multishot
turbid needle
Eris is extremely good.
unkempt pagoda
or explosive + twin shot for extreme boss killing
opal glade
Yeh yeh for reals
pliant palm
Wouldn't poseidon on special with the zeus/poseidon duo on Chiron aspect be pretty OP ?
turbid needle
It worked at one point, wasn't that spicy (I tried it), and then they broke it.
pliant palm
Oh :c
turbid needle
Thunder Flourish works with Aspect of Zeus and Aspect of Zeus alone.
pliant palm
So each arrow doesn't proc the effect, I guess
unkempt pagoda
chiron is pretty hecked on terms of viable hammers and boons
lapis matrix
It does I think
turbid needle
Explosive Shot and Relentless Volley.
unkempt pagoda
thunder flourish was OP on chiron's release, and was nerfed to have an internal cooldown that leads to only a few thunders per special
pliant palm
Will do some bow testing tomorrow
unkempt pagoda
that cooldown is just enough to work with zeus shield though
turbid needle
I think it was tuned to match Zeus shield.
unkempt pagoda
also recently the charged special hammer was removed for chiron, which made me extra sad
turbid needle
It was broken, unfortunately.
lean root
Think I'll pump my 6 bloods into chaos shield since that seems like the easier option and see how that goes
lean root
correct, I should be able to get 3 levels
unkempt pagoda
if you have the blood later, i recommend maxing out zag sword (only 5 blood)
it's needed for a sidequest thing
lapis matrix
So 3 extra shields for you to throw
raw violet
if anyone wants to see what a 50 heat run looks like, haelian is streaming right now and just got to styx
magic dagger
oh crap he made it to styx?!
opal glade
Holy heck
lapis matrix
Heck yeah
unkempt pagoda
how slow is he moving lol
raw violet
not cause deadline
unkempt pagoda
dang true
magic dagger
The problem isn't that he's slow, it's that it's 50 heat so he keeps dying
raw violet
also little control over his boons
but he's managed a basic dio with chaos shield
which is probably the best bet
magic dagger
oh yeah he keeps getting shafted on boons
shrewd brook
ok so... Triple Shot + Chain Shot + Tempest Strike + Second Wave = Fun
turbid needle
Tempest Strike has bad damage.
And Second Wave just pushes them back, doesn't inflict any more damage.
raw violet
2 sac rng, 50 heat hades incoming
turbid needle
Unless enemies running into each other inflicts damage.
shrewd brook
idk, I'm firing wildly and all the enemies in elysium that would give me trouble on a bow build just die
then again, 0 heat
also aparrently you can wall slam shielded dudes even if they block
magic dagger
rip haelian
proven robin
...Wow.
unkempt pagoda
what did he die to
mystic vale
You know what's fun? Inescapable Blast, Trippy Shot, Scintillating Feast.
Festive Fog is super fun when it's near-impossible to dodge.
proven robin
Nice.
viscid vale
i played way too much today, but i did a full run with the rail xD not in hard mode but still i'm proud for a first timer in hack n slash :p
ive done bow, rail and shield
viscid vale
lol
i'm a little concerned tho, about the resources
i spent ambrosia like water
and i realize now its precious
hazy yacht
don't worry about it, you'll get more
viscid vale
also its crazy hard to find diamonds and titan blood
hazy yacht
you get one per run as long as you keep increasing heat
viscid vale
oh, even if i keep the same aspects ?
viscid vale
niiice
hazy yacht
you just need to increase the heat until the bar is full (or higher if you want)
proven robin
Yeah, don't worry, you will get more.
proven robin
And push come to shove, there's always the broker in the lounge.
viscid vale
i'm trying to farm diamonds, its not easy for me at this point far from it
i forgot if i did 3 full runs or 4, lol, can't remember now
hazy yacht
I haven't found a way to "farm" diamonds and ambrosia other than just finishing runs
viscid vale
there's the trade
hazy yacht
sometimes you can fish up diamonds in chaos' room
viscid vale
you can trade nectar for diamonds if i recall correctly in my very tired state
10 nectar for one diamond
viscid vale
then ambrosia and blood are more precious even
oh sorry
lol
i just realized i did 4 full runs with 4 weapons, me pleased
i did shield, then bow, then fists, then rail
(zeus, zagreus, zagreus and...zagreus)
i think i'll be able to do sword, but help me god for the spear and...is there another
i'm pathetic with the spear
naive tusk
Aw! Which Aspects do you have?
viscid vale
none for the spear
naive tusk
I could try giving you some pointers if that helps 
naive tusk
Well, I had a very funny build with Varatha one time; it wasn't the default Aspect but it can work with that as well
Let me see if I saved that build...
viscid vale
i'm doing another bow run, for relaxation i guess if you can call it that, then ill try the sword probably, but then ill only have the spear left
mystic vale
Oh geez. Low Tolerance AND Scintillating Feast. Seems fair.
viscid vale
its satisfying for me to have managed with bow, rail and fists, man i didn't like those weapons at first x)
nimble dove
Anyone know what Hermes really does? I don't find myself really going for him on my runs
mystic vale
Move speed, dodge, attack speed, special speed, speed speed, extra dashes...
viscid vale
speed speed lol
nimble dove
attack speed could be nice
viscid vale
he's like the super fast guy in DC comics i guess
raw violet
extra dashes alone are worth a roll on Hermes
nimble dove
i feel like move speed for me i don't really need it if i can dash alright
yeah i'll probably go for dashes and attack speed then
naive tusk
Aw, I didn't save it. Well, I remember what I had.
Hammer upgrades: Chain Skewer + Vicious Skewer
Artemis boons: Deadly Flourish + Hunter's Mark
Other Artemis boons will help, like Clean Kill or Hide Breaker, but that was clearing rooms like you have no idea
viscid vale
extra dash is reaaally nice, otherwise Hermes can get annoying bc its always pretty much about being quicker
mystic vale
I generally want move speed, extra dashes, or dodge. Which all translate to "taking less damage" either by moving away from attack, activating Divine Dash, or rolling "enemy misses."
viscid vale
oh thanks HeartfulPeach !
mystic vale
Some of the other stuff isn't useless. :p
raw violet
a cast build can really shine with the cast related Hermes boons too
nimble dove
Yeah i feel like there's a pretty nice flow to the game already to the point where i don't really find myself needing movement speed
magic dagger
drift dash is surprisingly good in the late game
lavish crow
i am a simple man i see the words "drift dash" and i SLAM the take-it button
nimble dove
i'll probably go for a run on just Hermes to learn up
naive tusk
Also, if you want me to give you some tips while I play a run with the spear, feel free to ask 
mystic vale
How's your progress so far, Robo?
nimble dove
I've been playing for about 50 hours
mystic vale
Mostly melee?
nimble dove
Mixing
viscid vale
my brain is not working properly enough after playing for hours, i can't really ask intelligent questions, but if you do have useful tips along your way please do share @naive tusk
mystic vale
My spear tips: Dash Strike. Divine Dash and/or Strike. :p
viscid vale
i think my brain is still stuck on how to best dodge and attack Hades techniques
mystic vale
Hunter Dash is also acceptable.
turbid needle
Spear Dash-striking is also terrifying with Aspect of Hades.
nimble dove
got to the end of Elysium where i fought the big man himself
naive tusk
Another general tip is to stun lock unarmored shades with your basic attacks. Just spear them to death 
turbid needle
And Serrated Edge.
viscid vale
also can i say Hades is t h i c c
naive tusk
Unless they have a very short stagger duration
dry ember
Hey all, what are some weapons aspects that doesn't need much investment to be good?
mystic vale
Robo: I usually want move speed to close the gap on melee, kite on ranged. Maybe you won't need it.
naive tusk
Schpoon, they only have Zag aspect as of now ๐
dry ember
I'm having a blast with Hera Bow but Chiron is decidedly meh
until further upgrades of course
turbid needle
It's one of the Aspects that really needs to be level 5.
unkempt pagoda
guan yu's only upgrade is less hp loss
viscid vale
i was lucky as hell during my last successful run guys, i found the satyr sack in the 2nd path. I remember on one run having to do all paths, it was hell
unkempt pagoda
otherwise, its power is all there from the beginning
lapis matrix
The power was always there the downside is the debuff
viscid vale
Hades complimented me, he's a tsundere : 'you were well trained...you have a kind of youthful mindless force" or some shiz
viscid vale
oh right, he's my father
shrewd brook
Hades is cool sometimes. He should stay away from Styx when I bring the Rail
viscid vale
i don't intend to romance him tbh
naive tusk
@viscid vale I was doing this run for the lulz because I had Tempest Flourish for my 1st boon but in the end it worked so well. It's perfect if you want to keep your distance from enemies:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/710656219932786739/Tempest_Flourish_Guan_Yu.png
mystic vale
Three weapons down.
shrewd brook
it was a tasteless school shooting joke
viscid vale
i must say i won't romance Hades, sure, but i'd be down to offer him a pact to get us both out and kick the other Olympians
nimble dove
You get the Heat from beating big man right?
viscid vale
"wave pounding"
shrewd brook
chaos boons are great. getting 2 for +darkness% gives some mad heals and allows for some nice mirror upgrades
turbid needle
You unlock Heat after beating Hades for the first time.
viscid vale
omg your flourish effects are godlike
nimble dove
It hurts that i was so close to finishing him on my first time getting to him
i had a gross special damage fists that healed me if i killed enemies on the floors before
naive tusk
Zag Spear boosts Special so it's worth if you try to buff it further
nimble dove
so i was full hp in the fight
but because i was not ready for what was coming
RIP Zag
viscid vale
F
i"m off to bed, need to be well rested for the runs tomorrow
and some trivial other occupations
naive tusk
Gnight! ๐
nimble dove
Any fun challenges anyone can recommend me for future runs?
turbid needle
I beat Meg with no Darkness, I don't think I ever made it to the surface.
unkempt pagoda
left chambers only
nimble dove
what about build runs?
unkempt pagoda
full trippy shot build with both duos, scintillating feast and ice wine
bonus points if on hera or poseidon sword
nimble dove
I've got a ton that i haven't seen yet lol
i've gotten 2 Duos yesterday
do all gods duo with each other or some that duo with specific ones
like a synergy
turbid needle
Last I heard there were not plans to make a Duo between every possible combo.
lapis matrix
Specific ones
nimble dove
yeah i thought so i was just curious
lean root
ayy, got my very first clear with the lvl3 chaos shield. thanks guys! blood well spent
proven robin
Yaaay!
tepid ridge
Huzzah!
turbid needle
This run didn't break your streak, the last one did.
And this is your fastest bow time yet, well done.
turbid needle
I misread, my B.
opal glade
yalls wanna see the saddest story?
5-sack run 998 gold.
with a 1000 diamond on Charon
im so mad
opal glade
im still so mad even after beating up Hades i cannot beliEVE
more frustrating than getting final hit just before killing Hades ngl
proven robin
Augh.
cunning urchin
There's a lonely, missed, and forgotten gold urn somewhere in Asphodel still waiting for you to this day.
"Why don't you want my 2 obols? Am I not good enough for you? Why did you only take my friends? 
"
opal glade
Please forgive me urn of Asphodel i never wanted to leave youuuu
i was doing a supply/story run mainly this round but didn't meet either ||Eurydice or Patroclus|| ==;; but i got a Chaos boon for +222% Darkness so at least i got about a thousand darkness in this run OTL
opal glade
exactly, i needed just one more for the ||Sisyphus|| quest
lament coral
I wanted to do a darkness run, started with Poseidon to get his extra darkness boon
lament coral
didn't get it, saw 0 Chaos gates, was offered 0 Chaos gates from the wells
lament coral
still managed to get around 1000 darkness, somehow
lapis matrix
I'm currently trying to do the quests that make you do a pact of punishment run for each punishment
I got two left
lapis matrix
I got the timer and the less boons one
opal glade
that's pretty good ngl Zepp
lapis matrix
Left
lament coral
in fact, I hate seeing the HP ones
with the 80% darkness healing talent, you never want HP troves
cunning urchin
Tight Deadline if you still need to do that is easier when you turn on Forced Overtime too. Makes enemies spawn faster.
lament coral
it does? I never knew!
dry ember
What if the Tight Deadline timer stops after you clear a room so you can think about which room to choose next?
People usually just hit pause anyway
That could be QoL thing imo
cunning urchin
I only hit pause in Styx.
lapis matrix
I got to Hades both times however
dry ember
Also doe Hermes Attack Speed boon reduce the power shot timing for the bow?
cunning urchin
How did you lose to Hades on those runs?
I don't know if it reduces the frame window for Power Shot, but I'm positive it makes the charging faster.
lapis matrix
The first run I had to go through all five chambers
lament coral
@dry ember it charges faster
lapis matrix
Which zapped my death charges and health
lament coral
for charge weapons, a speed increase means faster charge
lapis matrix
The second I got a lot of Artemis boons and pretty much nothing else
dry ember
Sounds good thanks!
lapis matrix
And I lost all my charges on the 3 boss
cunning urchin
What weapon? I can usually beat him on TD2 even on a 5-tunnel run with Malphon. Though I've had bad luck too.
Other weapons, not so sure I could. Probably with Exagryph, but I don't really use that much.
cunning urchin
Artemis only on Excalibur is still pretty strong.
cunning urchin
Oh, you're doing both at the same time.
nimble dove
Man he was actually one HP and i dashed too soon and he killed me
i was going off with the Rail
cunning urchin
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. ๐ค 
@quick adder don't use #hades-feedback for discussions. Use this channel instead to discuss feedback.
paper mountain
Just fought Hades with Aphrodite's Legendary and some weak effects. Charm on Hades feels very broken on the fight. He's just stumbling around not attacking you far too often.
His dumb giggle is cute but I think it suits Hades to have charm immunity.
cunning urchin
No.
paper mountain
Someone is very fond of his giggle.
Do you have a little crush on Hades you'd like to share?
paper mountain
I've still got one foot on this soapbox so consider this: Charm turns his attack off for nearly a full second and he wanders out of position. Maybe it could affect him for even shorter? Just enough to interrupt an attack
I'm telling you I took no damage from him
And I'm only ok
He was a punching bag with abs
If that unsettling image doesn't sway you then truly your heart is black
cunning urchin
You can kill him in seconds with Blizzard Shot, too. Some builds are supposed to be broken. That's part of the fun. You're playing a God.
It's also not like you can just pick Lady Aphrodite boons, get the legendary every time, and then easily make it all the way to Hades on high heat.
lethal crane
Broken builds with the right RNG are supposed to be broken, in my book
sly sonnet
Yes, shredding hades is the most satisfying thing you can do
cunning urchin
Charm is amazing on single targets with a fast-hitting weapon. Much harder to apply consistently with slower weapons, and less useful for clearing crowds.
naive tusk
I have yet to see him giggle
languid storm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/710755057007591424/Hades_00007.png
Last run of the night but easily the most preposterous
Randomly just getting deflect from vengeful mood+holy shield is insane, as is hunting blades on zeus aegis. Just throw out cast and special and sit behind shield until a window opens up, and then when your athena call is open blow everything and beat the hell out of em
viscid vale
zeus shield is very powerful, that's true, but i also find it a bit...unsatisfying, perhaps bc it's just send the big rotating blade and wait behind
you lose the fun of throwing shield like a quick boomerang
i say fun like shield is not my least favorite weapon atm
viscid vale
i used to love it but then i realized the throw and bashing were not that crazy
viscid vale
yeaaaa
that's the thing, exactly
it's like, ok, back to square one
i'm sure if you boost zeus aspect you can destroy most of the mobs but still it's not very exciting
i'm not a good player i just care about having fun and i feel like shield is not that fun, when i did 2 runs with it i was fed up
(second run failed)
i managed to do one successful run with aspect of zeus, then tried chaos bc everyone said it's great...man i got wrecked in the end
but probably cause i didn't do a good build - still, it was meh
i was afraid of the bow, rail, fists, but i had more fun with these x)
tidal hawk
bow is broken
viscid vale
shield was like, only exciting at first.
how ? you mean it's too weak ?
i mean, it probably is, yea
i boosted my damage a lot but still fists were far more effective. But I like the fight style
west totem
The special is pain
mystic vale
One day I should drunk flourish and trippy shot Hera bow.
Or Heartbreak Flourish.
...Or Frost!
I'd like to try Sea Storm with it but then I have to use Poseidon. :p
Ooooh...Merciful End? Curse of Pain small groups, Divine Dash in and out of them to trigger?
Sea Storm looks like probably the biggest buff to the actual damage.
Also, I'm fairly sure multiple arrows can hit same target if you don't mind firing at point blank.
mystic vale
Today is a good day to die.
cunning urchin
Why even get any Flourish on Hera?
mystic vale
Uh...Weak....maybe? Or Chill? About all I can think of.
mossy breach
well you need a basic boon to get secondaries or duos most of the time
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Frost Flourish mainly just to get Ice Wine, and secondarily to quickly apply Chill on bosses.
mystic vale
That seems legit.
Exploding Launcher is neat for spear, although it gives up the backstab damage from calling the spear back (If you're using Shadow Presence.)
mossy breach
Sea storm is very good because it doesnt need a poseidon boon to apply it, everythings that knockbacks trigger the lightning bolt, things like basic shield attack triggers it
mystic vale
If I buy a Light of Ixion while I have one, will they spawn in two different chambers, or both try spawning in the same one and one fails?
mossy breach
two different chambers
mystic vale
Sweeeet.
stuck lintel
how do you guys fish, I keep missing
I must be missing something
eg too early too late, do i press E when the thing moves?
mossy breach
press E when the things sinks
stuck lintel
it's so fast ๐
mystic vale
Press when it flashes.
It does a little flash if you watch closely.
USUALLY near the third bob, but I've seen it on the first.
Double Ixion + Chaos Egg. Let's party.
stuck lintel
oooh it moves more than once? lol I'm an idiot
mystic vale
Three life boons from Chaos. Bwahahaha.
viscid vale
@tidal hawk bow special is not that good and thats my fav attack so thats probably why bow feels weak in damage to me
grave compass
Bow special on chiron though changes the game
Stick most boons on that and it just works
mystic vale
I think I have a problem.
Every time I go to the temple, the first thing I do is check for fishing spots.
turbid arch
I gotta say:
Bow with Controller is so good.
With KBM, the Bow is easily one of my if not my worst weapon by far.
With a Controller, I could see me doing high heated runs with just a little bit of practise.
mystic vale
Do people run High Confidence? I'm tempted to try it with Old Spiked Collar, but...
grave compass
High confidence is better damage above 80% yeah?
Pretty sure I always run it for that extra damage output
cunning urchin
Not on high heat.
mossy breach
High confidence with guan yu for extra challenge
cunning urchin
And without DDs.
mystic vale
Here's to Tisiphone, greatest conversationalist of our age!
shrewd brook
I'd love to run into Tisiphone having a chat with Charon
mystic vale
Arctic Blast might be fun with Exagryph some time.
wet dome
What a coincidence you should say that, I did it just today
lament coral
the damage is just not there without it tho
wet dome
It is pretty good, even though I got the final pieces just before Champions
lament coral
that level 4 heroic attack adds only 13 damage; Zeus' lvl 1 rare attack adds about the same
mystic vale
But every 10th hit is 180 damage AoE, adding about 18 damage per hit.
wet dome
I know, but I had already done a Zeus run and was looking to try it out
mystic vale
(And if it's something that didn't survive 10 hits, it wasn't relevant.)
viscid vale
i'm hyped and pumped up to try another full run with the bow, yay (except my build will prolly be lame)
wet dome
True SpiderJ, but if you had Zeus attack at the same level and rank would be what, 24+ damage/hit?
Arctic Blast really does it all
wet dome
Although Chilled is a far superior curse for Privileged, so that also counts
mystic vale
Of course, nothing prevents you from doing Demeter AND Zeus.
And hey, Cold Fusion is a thing.
Gotta have Zeus on the Flourish or Dash, but it works.
wet dome
Yep, been on the lookout for that one but I was already 2-3 boons deep in Poseidon when I got into Asphodel
mystic vale
(Or, I guess, the cast.)
wet dome
The cast lodges, so I'd probably get that one. Always feel bad getting the aggressive dashes on Rail and Bow
mystic vale
Goddamn Cthonic Vitality sucks. I don't think I'll ever score a win with that.
wet dome
Yup, I feel most Mirror traits are mostly equivalent but Dark Regen is way too good
mystic vale
5 per room and it might be competitive.
mystic vale
I was trying to give Golden Touch a fair shake too, but without DR you have to either be amazing at the game, or blowing cash on heals regularly.
And I am not amazing, so....
cunning urchin
Chthonic Vitality is good, too.
mystic vale
(The other solution would be nerfing DR to 30/60, but...man, I'm barely good at this game as is. :p )
Cthonic is good if you've maxed out your mirror, and are good enough to avoid 80-90% of opponent's hits.
cunning urchin
Golden Touch is nice, don't need to be amazing at the game for it.
mossy breach
I have a question: Lets say I have aphrodite keepsake, I finish a chamber and the next chamber has the aphrodite sign, however there is also a chaos gate. If i go to chaos, is the keepsake "used"? or is the effect still working because i didnt choose aphrodite ?
mystic vale
Neither of those are true for me.
(And yes, if you're avoiding 80-90% of damage and your mirror is maxed, then Cthonic means you can avoid Darkness rooms, and if need be darkness troves because of time constraints.)
cunning urchin
@mossy breach it's "used", I'm very sure.
mystic vale
Trying to work on Dark Reflections prophecy.
mossy breach
ouch. I hate when that happens.
cunning urchin
Dark Regeneration wasn't even a thing until recently, and people were clearing the game before that.
wet dome
I must be really lucky then, because I think I've avoided "keepsaked" boons for Charon rooms and then I got the boon I picked again
mystic vale
Well hooray for people who are naturally good at these types of games.
But between not being a twitchy style player and arthritis, I need safety nets.
Alright, bow run, starting with Demeter.
Wow I haven't even beaten champs with bow yet. X
cunning urchin
I suspect it's probably more strategy than reactions, but I haven't seen any of your runs. You'll get there, though. I believe in you!
@wet dome I could be wrong, honestly. Or maybe the shop works differently, or you were lucky.
mystic vale
Now c'mon hammer...
wet dome
I figured it was more of a "the first time you roll a non-Hermes boon room, it's the god you picked" kind of deal
Although now that I think about it, the keepsake shows if it's active right? like a per room item
We could just check
mystic vale
I like doing Frost Flourish at point blank and hitting with 4+ arrows. :x
wet dome
Chiron Aspect? I've played Merciful End with that and I'm pretty sure if the arrows hit in quick succession you get the combo damage multiple times
mystic vale
Nah, Hera aspect, I'm just dashing into them and flourishing for insta-chill stacks.
cunning urchin
I'd only do that on bosses.
mystic vale
Until I get something decent to add-cast.
Well, it's also hitting for 100+ damage, while my power shot is 60.
So.
(I'm still in Tartatus here.)
cunning urchin
It's just pretty risky, so I don't use it much.
mystic vale
Oh, and Dio's my second deity? Ice wine, here I come!
viscid vale
ITS ME DIO
mystic vale
Hmmm....does Chain Shot work with a Hera-loaded arrow?
Because triple Trippy Shot would be squeeeeeeeeeee.
Otherwise Relentless Volley is the better pick.
wet dome
I'm not sure but don't think so
I think I've picked that before and didn't work for each bounce
Although it works for Triple Shot
elfin ledge
cunning urchin
Still not bad, though.
mystic vale
Yeah, although Trippy is 222 damage and my regular arrow is still 60.
Need mah Drunken Strike. :p
gray lintel
@wet dome Dark Regen is better in 90% of places
that 10% of places is however why I never use dark regen
specifically, darkness can't be obtained in the final area of the game, which means a massive amount of your regen is like... gone
shrewd brook
rats and satyrs suck
gray lintel
and that final area has rapid fire chambers meaning the +3 health a room adds up and is the most powerful there
shrewd brook
you can still get lucky with Darkness in Wells. But you pretty much have to avoid the poison like the plague
wet dome
That's super fair and I never realized that
hazy yacht
i mean... i avoid the poison like the plague anyway
that one tiny room with the two spinning blade traps tho
ends runs for me
wet dome
Though I have had most success with Dark Regen mostly because a) it lets me keep Defiances for Hades and b) at that point I can mostly oneshot all rooms anyway
Except the last one of each tunnel
As far as Wells go, I think about it the other way around, with Regen you score "healing" items more often (HP, Darkness or yum both)
shrewd brook
Getting super Satyr instead of a sack sucks. I just can't deal with that one in timely manner unless I get lucky and end up with a super op build by the end of Elysium
My most recent run I had Poseidon on bow attack, Poseidon legendary, chain shot and split shot. Now that was super fun in Styx.
First enemy room I entered had a super Satyr and he died so bloody fast
I love the fact that chain shot can bounce off of walls
what are the easiest Pacts for getting to 5 heat?
lament coral
extreme measures and trap damage
mystic vale
Getting used to using the stick for movement. Got tired of aiming the bow/bull rush with directional pad missing the vast majority of available options.
lament coral
there's always the mouse and keyboard option!
proven robin
Honestly it's the Tiny Vermin that gets me the hardest.
neon fiber
Yeah, the tiny vermin can hurt a lot, especially the first time you meet it
proven robin
Also needs to be given a wider berth than I'm used to giving.
young gorge
teleporting tiny vermin.... not a good time
lethal crane
Not at all no
proven robin
Like I just drop a Companion on it. Just gotta.
Even then it's a tough fight, especially for the fists.
mystic vale
I like Stygian Soul with the Hera upgrade.
proven robin
Which is that again?
naive tusk
Stygian Soul makes it so your bloodstones regenerate over time instead of picking them up
young gorge
@naive tusk i saw feedback and like i'm very curious what happens if you take rare crop with no boons?
young gorge
yes im curious but i dont want you to ruin your run asdg
proven robin
Ahhh, yes.
naive tusk
It's the 3rd chamber so I can just reset it lol
naive tusk
Ok, so you know how Rare Crop lists the boons it's upgrading, aight?
young gorge
yeah
naive tusk
It says "HarvestBoonTraitListo" 
young gorge
KGON"GJG
yeah i think
i think rare crop isnt suppoused to appear
if there's no boons to upgrade
flat brook
imagine if rare crops upgrades itself
then when it's heroic your next 4 boons are rare cropped
sgg plz
naive tusk
Also, 69 Ambrosia bottles in my cellar 
proven robin
nice
neon fiber
young gorge
oh that'd be pretty cool thou ๐
rare crop upgrades itself asfsdgdfg
that sounds like cheating
mystic vale
Time for me to get rekt in temple.
mystic vale
234 life and only Skelly to back me up. End boss should be cake.
Welp, took 212 on first form. :p
121 life should be enough for second, yeah?
NOPE.
vestal patrol
One of the frustrating things about the final boss imo is that you can play reasonably well, and then one mistake and its like 200 damage to the face
vestal patrol
Thats where I keep going wrong ๐
mystic vale
One day some crazy is going to do a dash-only build. Load up some trinket - maybe Demeter? Dash themselves from beginning to end, and then take nothing but defence boons.
west totem
This is why i use a bunch of death defiance stuff
and i still make it through with 27 hp
vestal patrol
I think the interesting thing about death defiance is that it doesn't actually help as much as you think it does
Like, its certainly useful
But I find that my builds tend to fall into the category of "wreck face or get wrecked"
hazy yacht
dash only would be demeter or poseidon i think
west totem
Its only good for lore responses >:D
mystic vale
I guess you could take Poseidon boons to up the dash damage, but I dunno.
I think I want Hades chilled.
vestal patrol
Favourite moment so far, going in against the 2nd level boss when I had 2 chaos boons where I couldnt attack or special
hazy yacht
poseidon would fall short vs hades yeah
but would have insane clear times because of how fast you can make it thru chambers
demeter would do way better vs bosses
vestal patrol
I kindof wish bosses werent subject to their own rules
hazy yacht
and still be decently fast in chambers
neon fiber
posi is decent at bossing if you take the vs bosses boons and ruptured
mystic vale
Demeter, then load up on defence buffs from Athena, and some Hermes boons. Do any of the Aspects help with dashing/deflecting?
hazy yacht
still think it'd be far slower than demeter
vestal patrol
Why are bosses even immune to knockback? I assume theres a reason for it
shrewd brook
@mystic vale It's not quite dash only but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M_JHcFPEJ0
hazy yacht
i would use zagreus gauntlet for the dodge
mystic vale
I want to click the link but I also want functioning brain cells at the end of the day.
shrewd brook
bosses aren't immune to knockback. just highly resistant. you can get some builds that allow you to push around bosses
with poseidon boons
hazy yacht
i have pushed hades into a wall before but didn't see the damage number
however i felt like he took less damage from wall collision
vestal patrol
How much damage is the wall collision? Is it like damage based or flat?
shrewd brook
now that I think about it... I did see a lot of "Wall Slam" on Douchebag King yesterday but no damage numbers
I think it's flat and poseidon has a boon that gives it +% damage increase
hazy yacht
wall collisions deal a flat percentage of the source that pushed them i believe
maybe 30%? i never recorded it
but i observe the numbers
vestal patrol
Also, what is cornered?
hazy yacht
I don't know for sure but I believe it's pushed against a pit
vestal patrol
that seems likely
vestal patrol
wiki seems to think its extra damage, similar to wall?
hazy yacht
yes
west totem
ye
hazy yacht
i don't know if the damage is different, but if it is it's too small of a difference for me to notice just casually observing
mystic vale
So far as basic attacks/dash strikes, which weapon/aspect knocks back the furthest?
mystic vale
One day for the memes I'mma grab that shield, Poseidon boon the first realm, then Sisyphus's for the rest and trap/lava kill everything. :p
(Except Hydra.)
Hm. Or end boss. No traps there either.
naive tusk
@neon fiber If you don't take the Erebus gate, you will keep the keepsake charge
neon fiber
it didn't, sadly
...i think
namely because my first gate was a poseidon gate
not that i'm complaining, i got an epic dash
grave compass
Well crit hestia takes some getting used too but i cant fault the numbers
Dash attack hitting 700 on the hydra not too bad
Now i just need to upgrade that attack
naive tusk
The charge will only get consumed next time time you get a boon from that god. I've done that plenty of times before (not taking the door leading to the god's room when I had their keepsake)
So no worries!
I do think it's regrettable that Erebus will deny you the boon you've been seeking because you didn't have enough heat 
neon fiber
aye, it was a bit of a setback
grave compass
I always forget how good the dio poseidon duo is till you get it early
So many epic boons
viscid vale
yay i did another bow run well, but now i'm getting destroyed with different pact conditions (with eris rail)
and i still don't have enough diamonds ๐ข
vestal patrol
Theres never enough diamonds
west totem
just microtransaction smh
shrewd brook
I'm sorry but WAT? https://imgur.com/UKwSfDG
vestal patrol
Yeah I got that
west totem
nani
vestal patrol
Its fun, but its not exactly a good talent imo
west totem
I N F I N I T E C H L A M
viscid vale
lmaoo
yea i got this "legendary" too
maybe you can get a duo with ares boon and you fish a rotating blade of death
grave compass
Lets Gooooo!
Living my best life as an underworld sniper (plus knockback triple rockets for styx)
naive tusk
Just cleared an Erebus room full of Exalted Longspears and a grey Greatshield with Forced Overtime +40%. Was it worth this Poseidon boon? Ye 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710856989416226886/710886386827395252/HADES.png
neon fiber
lmao the troll boon
naive tusk
But but Exclusive Access is good early on!
viscid vale
it is def worth it...nah, kidding, i just caught 2 fishes
mossy breach
212 nectars 
neon fiber
yeah mate i still need to get some of the gods drunk too pass the nectar
viscid vale
are you trying to get them drunk or absolutely hammered
rich cedar
I might have to give up on 32 heat ๐ฆ
viscid vale
lmao
rich cedar
or maybe just have to do it with arthur
neon fiber
Oh damn, thatโs a pretty spicy build
viscid vale
s p i c y
naive tusk
I just noticed I have that Infernal Gatekeeper title. 1st time I get it, I think
mighty ermine
oh wow nice
i think i've gotten most of the known titles except for a few including that one
i almost never bother with elysium erebus
grave compass
No FO is so much nicer... Plus Artemis blessed me again this day for a crit super spear :D
Also shoutout for dem - her cast may be garbage on its own but the passive damage once it learns how to track is lovely
naive tusk
I feel bad everytime anyone calls it garbage
grave compass
Unfortunately it either needs to do more or last longer
Currently without the duo you drop it and if anything moves just slightly to the right by the time it reaches them its already run out
west totem
1000 damage in an instand
grave compass
I love the concept but i feel its the weakest of all the casts overall
The duo makes it currently - i feel like all youd need to do is replicate the snake stones as it doesnt feel like a laser and more just damage at destination
That way you could almost use it as a trap
west totem
Or increase turn speed
grave compass
I think turn speed could still be artemis's thing
But duration is what annoys me the most
tepid ridge
I feel like at the very least it should do more damage and turn faster, then the duo could make it crit occasionally and apply chill on those crits or something. The base level is essentially a liability in most of the later levels.
Or turn faster and last longer etc. Just a little nudge towards being a more reliable damage-dealer
grave compass
Yeah i think thats it - it doesnt need much it just needs more potential to not become a wasted cast
Then the duo makes it a super tracker
tepid ridge
Iโm excited for a ton in this game and the next update, but ngl Iโm like only slightly less jazzed to finally read the patch note that says Demeterโs cast has been fixed lmao
grave compass
Demeter has literally everything else going for her - shes not being bullied
tepid ridge
This is the real reason she ||froze the entire planet to death||. We were ungrateful for her trash cast.
grave compass
I rank her well up there thanks to decay
tepid ridge
Chill alone is a versatile status effect too. I probably like Demeterโs call the most out of the ones that donโt make you impervious.
I have half a mind to say Demeterโs cast should inflict chill too but casts arenโt really known for inflicting tier 1 status effects except for Aphroditeโs.
grave compass
I think it would also be another thing that would provide the extra buff it needs
That way slowed enemies cant escape the beam as easily
mighty ermine
was mostly going for black out since i still hadn't completed the dio prophecy and it turned into my first "wow ice wine really is wild" run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/710913522099421184/20200514170113_1.jpg
if only zeus could have shown up to add scintillating feast ๐
naive tusk
(Athena the 3rd wheel)
naive tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710856989416226886/710922808850645022/Hestia_what_is_life.png
What is life, featuring Hestia
unkempt pagoda
there's so much damage
mighty ermine
if you remember any crit numbers from that run you gotta tell us
that looks ridiculous
naive tusk
It was around 2900, not sure if backstab damage was included because they were turning so fast
mighty ermine
WHEW
opal glade
who needs call/companions when you can run numbers like these
holy heck
(also can we talk about that 15 minute run with stygius how?)
naive tusk
Poseidon Aspect + True Shot
opal glade
frantically takes notes
mighty ermine
honestly all of the stygius aspects can go real fast, except maybe zag's own aspect to a much lesser degree which is kind of ironic considering the move speed it has haha
opal glade
yeah it is ironic
hazy yacht
W A V E B O Y S https://i.imgur.com/bicFdtU.jpg
opal glade
i think my consistently fastest is fists with Crits + Privileged status, but it still clocks 23 at best
You made Zagreus a surfer bro amazing
opal glade
dios' call is ridiculous i love it
opal glade
shoves everything off the table dio is mY MAN
dio stack is something i always enjoy lol
mighty ermine
yeah the hangover damage on the call specifically is just so huge
opal glade
(pair it with a Pressure Point or a good overall crit/damage and it's ridiculous)
hazy yacht
his greater call needs to be reworked imo
its never worth using the greater call over the normal call
opal glade
my fave calls are dio and aphr they're both hilarious in their own ways
oh i never noticed the difference
what's the specific damage if you rememebr?
hazy yacht
I don't remember
the problem is once you reach 5 stacks its maxed out
so all the damage is wasted vs bosses (where you'd reasonably use it)
it should do something like raising the stack limit
similar to the duo boon
oh, it doesn't have an additional benefit for greater call https://i.imgur.com/AvPk4CP.png
it just keeps booming until your bar runs out
mighty ermine
right, greater just keeps the stacks at max for longer generally but definitely less bang for your buck overall
hazy yacht
yeah, I'd just rather time the regular call to get more mileage out of it
it ends up being more effective
opal glade
woould adding stun effect help? maybe similar to demeter's 10 stack explosion blow out
hazy yacht
stuns don't work on bosses either, do they?
mighty ermine
i've never really considered trying a run with low tolerance's star being dio call but that sounds fun and pretty powerful as burst
mystic vale
I hope someone, somewhere, plays this to "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor."
opal glade
Dio knows how to party