more than before
#h1-builds-and-combat
tidal hawk
viscid vale
i love Theseus as a foe cause you really want to make him bite the dust
tidal hawk
extra coward
shrewd brook
chariot catches up fast. and the butterflies, oh god the butterflies
lapis matrix
Hera bow helps with Theseus I think
viscid vale
but i'm sort of let down by the bow aspects tbh...
tidal hawk
Ok how are the bow aspects bad
shrewd brook
oh aspects seem great
viscid vale
well, i like to use dash and special, and the bow aspects are...not that great for that
tidal hawk
at the start of the game
Ah I see
I spam
left click
with the bow
bow special is awful
shrewd brook
that one aspect makes it pretty good I think
tidal hawk
See shield however
shrewd brook
the special
viscid vale
i used aspect of chaos with shield and didn't like it...
it wasn't super powerful, prolly i use it bad
viscid vale
yea
tidal hawk
That one is super good
The problem is
You need zeus
For that to really shine
you need jolted and electric strikes
and chain stuff
viscid vale
ooh maybe
tidal hawk
Then everything dies
viscid vale
aspect of zeus is annoyingly slow but effective in my xp
shrewd brook
shield is the first weapon I actually managed to finish the run with. almost never used special. the block is amazing
tidal hawk
Never used it really
The block is amazing
But spamming special is how you do damage
shrewd brook
I had that piercing shot from the hammer. I pretty much almost exclusively spammed that
shrewd brook
it was for me since Thesseus was my biggest wall by that point
viscid vale
i did my full run with the shield too...but now im a little tired of it
i wish i were more convinced with the bow aspects
shrewd brook
I'm curious what the legendary aspect of bow will be
probably focusing on long range shooting
surreal oracle
I kind of never used casts, and then I realized that the witches would float over the lava and I couldn't get to them
Cast Builds are really fun to do
tidal hawk
Ok stagmaster
surreal oracle
nice!
paper mountain
Looking at that image I'm thinking, does anyone use Fiery Presence? What's its niche? I only ever see backstab talent.
viscid vale
ill try
paper mountain
Maybe it's better at range, since you're rarely diving in to engage?
naive tusk
Knock knock knocking on heaven's door~ ๐ถ
I have seen some speedrunners go with Fiery Presence. I don't know why though...
tidal hawk
Fiery is really good
delicate nimbus
An infernal trove of darkness gave me a nectar?
paper mountain
Hmm, they have their methods I'm sure. It would be quite interesting to see a survey of talent builds, see what's favored and underrepresented.
delicate nimbus
That's never happened before why?
shrewd brook
I use fiery presence mostly cause I can't consistently get behind enemies. so a little more alpha strike damage is better than no damage
naive tusk
@delicate nimbus Troves randomly drop a nectar sometimes alongside the showed reward
shrewd brook
nectar is a random reward from troves
naive tusk
That's actually a great idea, Grid!
turbid needle
the nectar doesnt give you random boon +1 tho big sad
naive tusk
That would give some nice statistics 
paper mountain
As long as it doesn't lead to nerfs haha
shrewd brook
I wonder what would be the distribution between confidence and thick skin
hazy yacht
speedrunners are all about clearing as fast as possible, so it makes sense they'd use fiery presence
paper mountain
im a nerd for chaos so i like the egg/shield combo
paper mountain
one of us
turbid needle
egg is fun
surreal oracle
EGG!
naive tusk
I always use Chthonic Coin Purse in every run ๐
tidal hawk
Ok
paper mountain
i am dying to try acorn
surreal oracle
I used Acorn when I had no idea what I was doing with the final boss fight
tidal hawk
Collar
turbid needle
if i use acorn i take no damage on the final boss
paper mountain
i labor under the eternal misconception that im still playing dead cells so i avoid defensive buffers for no particular reason
turbid needle
does anyone here run butterfly
surreal oracle
another thing, I like Acorn simply because of the little note of music that occurs when I pick it.
paper mountain
i've got a nectar burning a hole in my pocket for when ||thanatos ||finally spawns again
shrewd brook
I'm running butterfly right now. Gonna shelve it forever once I get it to 3*
naive tusk
Just 1? 
paper mountain
yes cells is learn every single interaction upfront then abandon all defensive options
paper mountain
im kind of in awe at how hades avoids that
tidal hawk
Makes me sad
paper mountain
hades EXPECTS you to take damage, it's in the fabric of the play loop
turbid needle
anyone do a hitless run yet?
paper mountain
im sure there are theoretical hitless runs
but the cues in hades aren't so forgiving, and the quantity of mobs complicates that further. all good things
naive tusk
Get shield + Athena's boons + Demeter's boons ๐ก๏ธ ๐ โ๏ธ
viscid vale
cerberus keepsake gives 150 HP tho
turbid needle
i want to do a hitless run. Just use lambent plume and stack dodge and reflect
paper mountain
i love the plume im just not sure what the math is for a sufficiently quick chamber. i take forever on some and get a happy little phoenix then i race through another and get bupkis
surreal oracle
Asphodel ruins the lambent plume for me yikes-
Uh, yeah. I think the "quickly" depends on the biome and encounter type, yeah?
paper mountain
it definitely changes based on the chamber's attributes
i have barely any time with it though so idk
surreal oracle
I don't use it much either
lethal crane
Missing a chamber or 3 with the plume is no big deal truely
Especially if you get extra dodge boon(s)
25-30% from plume is fine ๐
naive tusk
If you reached at least 20% with the plume, it's already worth it ๐
@celest mason What you could do meanwhile is, pick the keepsake you have had equipped before changing to the new one and close the keepsake's window. You will be able to change keepsakes so long as you still have the original keepsake equipped
(Also, nice avatar)
lethal crane
Honestly I used to prioritize dodge over a lot of things, but since discovering you can't dodge some attacks from the last boss I stopped using the plume.
celest mason
@naive tusk Got it, and thank you!
small stirrup
It is techinically
It falls under the same category as all the curses (Doom, Hangover, Jolted, etc)
unkempt pagoda
chill counts as a status curse. decay is not a curse, just a boon that works off of chill
naive tusk
Decay won't count as a status curse for Privileged Status if that's what you wanted to know
small stirrup
Doesn't chill decay though?
robust gate
Not without killing freeze
small stirrup
Not when you unlocked all levels of every aspect
robust gate
Idk, I'd take a fancy gem over some icky red stuff
small stirrup
True
lapis matrix
Titan blood is pretty hard to get
turbid needle
There's as much Titan Blood as there are Diamonds and Ambrosia put together.
real nebula
hey, early-mid you gotta hold onto those bloods
robust gate
I was just joking, I know it's a bad deal lol... But 15 keys for titan blood
small stirrup
robust gate
Also 1 blood/ambrosia is worth 1000 gems
small stirrup
Super worth it
Farming gems is a HUGE pain
Infernal Troves give me like 60 on average
Fish be bringing in dem big bucks tho
robust gate
Yeah, nectar is actually pretty valuable though, going by broker trades it's worth 50
delicate nimbus
50 gems
small stirrup
Aight
dry ember
Quick question, does anyone else think that the way boons and other "items" you pick up along the way is presented fairly unintuitively when you hit the boon list?
small stirrup
As in?
dry ember
It get the offset diamond pattern is nice looking
small stirrup
Oh you mean circular to the diamond shape?
dry ember
I mean the list on the left
small stirrup
I get that
dry ember
When you hit select or B
small stirrup
I didn't understand what you meant by unintuitively
dry ember
Ok. I'll clarify
For example, on gamepad, the diamond pattern makes it difficult to navigate since left right isn't exactly left right
lapis matrix
Kind of wish fishing was more common
small stirrup
Oh I get it
dry ember
The offset pattern also makes me confused since a boon for basic attack can be on the same row as the cast icon
small stirrup
I'm a KBM user so i never experienced that sort of difficulty
dry ember
Ok very fair haha
turbid needle
does anyone play with reload on R3? the first thing i did when i got the rail was move it to L3 because i never ever touch the right stick lol
languid storm
what god goes best with guan yu? I really wanna try and make that aspect work
languid storm
Yeah okay that'd be insane, I guess Athena/Ares then?
small stirrup
I suggest Ares' cast works pretty fine
But doom on your special is pretty good as well
paper mountain
I'm having some difficulty understanding the diagram for finding Athena's legendary boon, can anyone explain the sequence to me?
unkempt pagoda
any core athena boon -> brilliant reposte -> legendary
small stirrup
Lol never mind then
paper mountain
"Core" athena boons are whatever you find first?
small stirrup
Yeah
paper mountain
Thank you both!
paper mountain
Ahhhoh
robust gate
Yeah
robust gate
Only annoying thing is that brilliant reposte is somewhat rare
small stirrup
Really?
I get her legendary on like the 3rd try
You can guarantee with fated authority
languid storm
HOW? I only ever seem to get more rerolls
robust gate
Maybe it's just me, but I rarely ever see reposte
small stirrup
I guess I'm mostly lucky on my part, but when you get two boons, riposte is almost always there
After that Legendary will almost ALWAYS spawn
robust gate
True
small stirrup
If not just hit her with one of them dice
languid storm
Do you have to hit boon doors with dice to get a different boon?
small stirrup
No, I use the the other version of the dice
Was it called Fated Authority or smthn else?
robust gate
Fated persuasion
languid storm
???
small stirrup
Ah yeah sorry that one
unkempt pagoda
there's a room guide in the pins, for which rewards into which
small stirrup
I could send you the tree if you want
I have them just downloaded with me for constant reference
languid storm
Wait do you have to use the authority based on the door laurel?
real nebula
no
small stirrup
No the other version of the dice allows you to refresh what boons you get from gods
Its called Fated Persuasion
You may not have unlocked it?
I just unlocked it immediately cause I'm basically in the end game
real nebula
I don't know if the dice downgrade, so if you reroll a boon you might get coins, but I know for sure you can reroll coins, darkness, etc into boons
languid storm
wait there's a second entire set of mirror upgrades??
errant narwhal
fated persuasion allows you to reroll the pool of boons and shop items while youโre in the selection screen
robust gate
Not darkness
dry ember
Lol
unkempt pagoda
blue laurels are permanent resources, gold laurels are run-only resources
errant narwhal
haha yeah! Itโs relatively new
unkempt pagoda
coins can't reroll into darkness
dry ember
Family Favorite versus Privilege Status
lament coral
dry ember
I could never decide between them
small stirrup
God bless
robust gate
Privileged status for sure
small stirrup
Privilege status is more consistent
languid storm
How do you get the second set of mirror abilities?
unkempt pagoda
FF was an immediate switch for me
small stirrup
Yeah same
lament coral
@languid storm click on the buttons next to the talents
real nebula
can you only reroll into the same laurel?
unkempt pagoda
privileged status is so limiting
robust gate
Yup
small stirrup
Wait no
errant narwhal
you can also always switch them back if you want, itโs not a one time thing. But you need to invest darkness into them
lament coral
I used to be a Priv Stat man myself, but then I did a dozen runs with Fam Fav it became crystal clear that FF is just better
languid storm
I had no idea and just basically maxed out the red mirror
lament coral
no need to look for statuses, just pick all the gods
errant narwhal
is it 
dry ember
But don't you want to focus on one or two gods?
lament coral
@languid storm the new talents were added only recently. You can refund your mirror for the price of a single key.
small stirrup
I see what you mean, but when you set specific builds for each weapon, it just becomes a combination of 2 gods at max
dry ember
Picking multiple ones might give you things you don't want?
errant narwhal
picking all the Gods is so much of a hassle :( I donโt want all of these I want aphrodite dash and athena attack with exposed
always works
lament coral
I hear you, fellas
small stirrup
Exactly
errant narwhal
but hey, to each their own lol
small stirrup
But its your play style so I respect it
unkempt pagoda
well yeah
lament coral
but getting full time extra damage on your lightning, rupture, doom, poison etc.
it's amazing
unkempt pagoda
if you only need two or three boons for a good build, then you can go all out with other gods and get a free damage boost
dry ember
I don't think you need keys
errant narwhal
Nope! The keys are just to get all your darkness back, and based on tiers
lament coral
@languid storm they're all unlocked, you just need darkness.
small stirrup
Its all there, you just need darkness
lament coral
well, you only need to unlock the talent level itself, not each type individually
unkempt pagoda
if i can get heartrend with aphro dash and a good artemis boon, then why not just go for poseidon for the free +6%
small stirrup
Yeah so if you have all of the purple ones then you good
lament coral
the talent that allows you to reroll boons makes it easier to get something good out of every god you see
S Y N E R G Y
unkempt pagoda
when PS was the only option, i felt pressured to go for gods, boons, and builds that had to somehow incorporate statuses
lament coral
^
unkempt pagoda
now i can go for any build and still get a sizeable boost
small stirrup
Fair enough
I guess it works well with Achilles aspect, cause I don't know what status to even put on it =/
lament coral
now you can free ball with just Poseidon's rupture and deal a bajillion damage thx to mad percentile scaling on those fixed number boons
Achilles is just yucky
the gimmicky jump makes it actually harder to navigate, especially since it's required for the buff
languid storm
I like Achilles with Jolted
lapis matrix
Jolted is good
small stirrup
I have almost never used Achilles because Guan Yu is such a beast
lapis matrix
I like Hades' aspect
small stirrup
But the debuff it puts on enemies feels non-existent tbh =/
lapis matrix
I didn't know about the debuff till recently
languid storm
Guan yu feels like a better ranged weapon than just about anything exagryph or the bow
lapis matrix
Gaun Yu is good
real nebula
is the timeframe for lambent plume in those small rooms in Styx just really small? I feel like no matter how fast I go I can't get it to proc
real nebula
ah, that's disappointing
turbid needle
Rooms are too small, while there's an astounding amount of chip damage they're still too easy to reliably clear without taking damage.
dense locust
you can zip and zap all over the place while tossing out 2k damage ice wines
spring mauve
Does dark thirst combine with dark regeneration?
naive tusk
Yeah. You get more healing because you get more darkness
small stirrup
Hot damn
real nebula
holy, aphodite call was more or less useless up until the hades fight lol
his things he spawns do like 1/8th of his health charmed
naive tusk
I have a question: does continuing Arthur's combo after dash count as dash-strike? My guess is that no, it doesn't count 
dense locust
aphrodite call can also be used to give yourself invul frames against hades if you use it against him as he's about to hit you
naive tusk
Asking because Chaos is offering me +dash-strike damage
turbid needle
No.
dense locust
or when he's discotekking out
naive tusk
Roger. Thank you 
viscid vale
did my first full run with the bow, yea !
dense locust
but the arthurs combo can be continued despite throwing in a dash strike inbetween right?
first strike --> dash-attack --> second strike --> third strike
for example
dense locust
is that what it is?
only after the second attacl
because it always felt inconsistent
but that would make sense
small stirrup
I mean the combo has a pretty generous time gap between strikes
naive tusk
Update on my HP: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/710343446644392046/HADES.png
dense locust
you get a certain amount of time to get in the next regular attack to continue the combo
dense locust
so theoretically you could throw in a cast
dense locust
Beef cake
naive tusk
Just before the fight with the furies
turbid needle
"HeartfulPeach is... The Beefy Update."
unkempt pagoda
y'all think zag eats the hearts or like absorbs them or something
dense locust
smokes them
languid storm
Fat heart rips
dense locust
yeah its how he bonded with Charon and Than
small stirrup
XD
dry ember
Tbh Than very much seems like a stoner to me
dense locust
Why do you think Hypnos is always so sleepy
languid storm
Than's totally blitzed, he's the high functioning anxious one and Hypnos just wants snacks
paper mountain
Just played with the Shield modification that makes your charge into a ranged shot and hoo boy does it feel bad.
The normal charge repositions you and gives you a dash, the ranged shot makes you immediately vulnerable and probably leaves you in the middle of a pack of mobs.
First pickup I've used which felt like a demonstrable downgrade.
small stirrup
Wow that's weird
turbid needle
It used to not be great, but you can move a few frames after it fires so you are almost always safe.
small stirrup
I felt it was quite an upgrade for me the first time
paper mountain
schpoon that's interesting, that's not something I was attentive to.
My experience was that I got hit the instant I released the button
And the game doesn't exactly encourage you sitting in one spot until things are safe.
small stirrup
I would recommend the charge shot if you were using the zeus aaspect
paper mountain
That's exactly what I was using. My kit ended up super fiddly so I definitely wasn't playing optimally but I didn't notice any kind of grace period when I released the shot.
dry ember
What is the interaction between Hestia Aspect and Delta Chamber?
small stirrup
Hestia was the Buffed shot after reload right?
turbid needle
You fire one empowered shot and if you continue to hold the button you fire the next two in the burst.
paper mountain
Hm? I'm talking about the daedalus hammer that turns your Bull rush into an arrow.
Oh
you're answering the other poster
My mistake
dry ember
Yeah but with Delta Chamber you don't reload
So how would Hestia reload play with that
Also sorry Grid for hijacking the question.
small stirrup
I don't think it appears
turbid needle
You press the button and Zag charges the next round.
small stirrup
Oh
turbid needle
I don't think emptying the magazine on non-DC Hestia charges a round.
languid storm
wait how do I share a screenshot here
naive tusk
This is an unfair choice https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/710349131024957441/HADES.png
languid storm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/710349150071422986/unknown.png
Your telling me
naive tusk
I'm gonna Viciously Cycle them with my dash or what?
turbid needle
That's rough, buddy.
naive tusk
Either Sea Storm or Exclusive Access for the scroll but I'd go Sea Storm
languid storm
I mean I've got the damage buff for every god I haves boon
turbid needle
They're also about to fall over.
naive tusk
I seriously don't know which to pick. Probably Vicious Cycle because I have 5 blade dashes 
turbid needle
Yeah.
naive tusk
I hope so because Artemis is with me too in this run
cunning urchin
@paper mountain Charged Shot is really good. Doubles your damage and gives piercing.
Takes some readjusting from the Bull Rush, though.
small stirrup
Sorry my mistake with the name
He means the one that makes your charge into a ranged one instead of the extra damage
naive tusk
@turbid needle Look what Poseidon is offering me at the last room of Styx 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/710354330716209202/HADES.png
OP
small stirrup
Sunken Treasure?
turbid needle
I am... Vindicated~! ๐
small stirrup
Or Ocean's Bounty?
naive tusk
I don't know, honestly 
small stirrup
Lol its seems pretty normal to me
Not muh op in it
I guess sunken treasure is nice though
naive tusk
We'll see how that helps me in this attempt
small stirrup
What's your current build look like?
lapis matrix
I keep forgetting to use the companions
small stirrup
Always use them during Thesus
languid storm
tier 3 demeter aspect with the flip kick is sooooo nice
small stirrup
Thats what I do
turbid needle
Like this, @naive tusk ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3szM5VkFy8
naive tusk
Exactly ๐
1st time I celebrate when green urns are being summoned 
It literally gave me a free 1st phase in 3 seconds
lethal crane
Huh? how?
naive tusk
While FB was standing around summoning them, I just backstabbed him a couple of times then he transitioned
naive tusk
@languid storm did you pick Ocean's Bounty? It's OP
languid storm
Went with the lightning and immediately got bodied by kamikaze chariots
naive tusk
Oof
elfin ledge
does ocean's bounty increase darkness from bosses you've already done once?
turbid needle
Yes.
languid storm
turbid needle
Now get Heart Rend.
languid storm
Heart rend?
turbid needle
Aphro/Artemis Duo, buffs crits against afflicted with Weak.
languid storm
oh yeeeeh
That'll be my next malphon run then
Also man the twin fists are the best by a mile
turbid needle
I already had hundreds of hours in the game but I love them.
turbid needle
I've got 5 Gods on Family Favorite and pretty much the picture perfect Nemesis build (Aphro Attack, Artemis Special, Athena Dash), but I've also got Slicing Shot and no Duos.
Do I branch out, take the Owl Pendant, Blood-Filled Vial, or look for another god to keep the damage going?
dense locust
what heat
turbid needle
dense locust
i'd go for the hunter blades
naive tusk
I'd try to find Heart Rend asap in your position
turbid needle
I've already used Artemis's and Aphrodite's keepsakes.
dense locust
hunting i mean
turbid needle
Coin Purse?
naive tusk
Then I wouldn't take another god's keepsake with hopes that either of them appear sooner
turbid needle
Coin Purse it is.
dense locust
even better, might get viscious cycle too
turbid needle
I do have Double Edge and five dashes, it's not like I really need Hunting Blades to make my run happen.
dense locust
i know
all the reason to take it
you've got this in the bag
just time to have fun with it ๐
naive tusk
Good luck
turbid needle
But I wanna make Theseus pop like a grape.
naive tusk
Make Dionysus proud ๐ท
turbid needle
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand all my options in my Elysium Hammer are for standing Attack only.
turbid needle
I guess Flurry Slash isn't the worst, yeah.
Heart Rend from a 36-second Asterius fight? Yes, please.
dense locust
lol really?
turbid needle
Three straight Poms that gave the same options.
That'd be annoying if it weren't my Attack or Cast.
Unhealthy Fixation going into the Heroes fight.
Good game, everyone, thanks for playing.
versed bloom
the hestia aspect is
surprisingly good
if you don't mind pressing reload every second anyway
you also have to upgrade it to full potential
but it's definitely worth doing
naive tusk
Unhealthy Fixation is overkill at that stage 
turbid needle
Going into the Hades fight at 15:01.93. Lemme see if I can keep it under 16.
Nah, not gonna happen, 25 seconds left and the timer's still running as he just kneels before phase 4.
I should know better than to doubt Nemesis.
dense locust
or to doubt that spicy boon line up
turbid needle
Hey, you could run this exact build with Arthur and not get half the results.
turbid needle
unless you got Deadly Reversal
dense locust
And then concentrate on my special damage
turbid needle
I bought the 3rd Hermes boon instead of a potential Deadly Reversal drop.
dense locust
i thought you already had deadly reversal but maybe that was a different screen shot
not that you need it with nemesis
arthur ice wine on the other hand....
turbid needle
Maybe I'm missing something.
Does Arthur's kit interact with Ice Wine differently?
I didn't think Arthur affected Casts.
naive tusk
Heeey you got the 4A gang
lapis matrix
So the special double the slows on him
naive tusk
Clean Kill and Sweet Surrender as well. Phew!
turbid needle
Peach, you know the screaming bot on Twitter you can invoke?
Hang on, that sounds way more ominous than it is.
naive tusk
Its Twitter homepage is refreshing ๐
dense locust
@turbid needle There is technically no synergy between arthur and icewine, but being super tanky and having such a flexible cast as ice wine along with a very strong special ends up synergizing pretty well
lapis matrix
You can also get the tippy shot damage reduction perk too
dense locust
yes i forgot how amazing that is with the sheer tankiness
coarse lily
is magnetic cutter worth it?
unkempt pagoda
some prefer it to demeter aspect
imo it can be strong with a good cast, but dangerous
i prefer zag or demeter aspect
rugged estuary
lmao
I wish I had that on video
I just did a health trove, and ended up getting 69 health from it
Zags response upon opening it? "Nice."
mystic vale
Privileged Position vs. Family Favourite is a tough choice with both maxed.
mystic vale
Hunter Dash + Serrated Edge. This should be fun.
grave compass
I broke the curse!!!
https://imgur.com/AVPvdPo
I think aphro hera needs some fine tuning but nice fun run
And @young gorge i'd recomend focussing on the special rather than the attack - so aphro or demeter can be pretty power
young gorge
Oooh thanks a bunch uvu, I just got enough blood to max it out, the hp penalty is harsh
i also really how all the last aspect specials make diffrent sounds
that's a really nice touch
cunning urchin
Divine Strike makes the spin a lot safer to use.
cunning urchin
Or alternatively Frost Strike to apply lots of Chill quickly, that's actually not so bad either.
I'm assuming Lightning Strike does not trigger on every hit of the spin?
grave compass
Lighting strike is not very good from when i used it
Posiedon also just throws them away from the spin and so you get less heals
Just doing a run with world splitter and its actually so powerful!
Hydra heads getting decapitated
grave compass
I have achieved the holy prophecy... i really hope i beat hades so i can show this off ๐คฃ
mystic vale
Tempest Strike/Tempest Flourish/Tidal Dash with Exagryph. Where's the button to take all three? ๐ฆ
grave compass
Actually lost... im devastated
mystic vale
Hey, I've lost all but one of my runs. You can't suck as well as I can!
grave compass
I had sea storm, cold fusion, scintillating feast, and ice wine
And two dds
I dont know if FO effects hades but he just wrecks me so often
visual dust
If what does?
pliant palm
Forced Overtime,I guess
visual dust
I imagine it does
glad island
Malphon DPS is crazy consistant
and quite hight too
I got my time more close than 20min than 30 now
rugged estuary
@grave compass It most certainly does. One of the reasons I am very careful with it, even 20% makes the game a lot harder for me. My 32 heat clear was without forced overtime
by the way, anyone ever used Poseidon special with hazard bomb on the rail?
The knockback is insane, it flings things a whole screen or further (including yourself if you stand in it ๐ )
grave compass
Thats helpful actually - i feel by now if i return to no FO id sweep the place ๐คฃ
Ive been temped before in hazard bomb poseidon but styx hazard bomb always scares me
tame stratus
http://imgur.com/gallery/XPSe7nc okay this was epic
pliant palm
Hmm... 19 clear with shield but 8 max heat
rugged estuary
@grave compass Styx Hazard bomb actually isn't as bad as it sounds - if you don't cast it right in the middle, it's easy to not stand in it. It is also very easy to dodge with a dash even if standing in it. And finally, after the nerf to its selfdamage, you hit yourself for like, 2 damage or something if you stand in it. Really not an issue.
grave compass
Thats actually very useful then - i can imagine styx, wave pounding, hazard bomb just blows up a room
I think it might also be last time i used it i had pierced butterfly so now im automatically scared of the bomb ๐คฃ
rugged estuary
@grave compass You mean breaking wave? Wave pounding is bonus boss damage for knockback-boons
but yes, with breaking waze, a single bomb often clears a room because the enemies go ping-pong
grave compass
Thats the one
Still fairly new at using knockback - did my first full run with poseidon dash earlier and realised the power it has
shrewd brook
it's amazing for the small rooms in styx
grave compass
Yeah... thats the one i got 4 duos and then lost ๐ช
Sea storm and cold fusion on dash is insane
pale roost
i find athena better as it just is nice to reflect projectiles
tame stratus
Hey, I like shield ๐
pale roost
yep
tame stratus
Athena does feel stronger in latest update
rugged estuary
Athena is best dash, no contest. But poseidon is still really good.
tame stratus
Yup 100%, feels very natural to use too
shrewd brook
artemis and athena are my favorite olympians. even though their boons severely lack the flashiness, they are so damn powerful
pale roost
the aspect of zeus is really good with athena on special as it just deflects in an area for a while
grave compass
I really like ares i just wish he had longevity
Early game hes great and then later in its just... get hunting blades
pale roost
aphro is useful on high heat runs
shrewd brook
I think ares would be great if we could stack doom to like 3 stacks at least
gray lintel
get athenaaaaa
ares is great with athena duo
doom with athena duo is basically free win
war tempered by wisdom is OP
also like legit while hunting blades is nice
if you get used to his blade rift cast targetting it's still crazy stupid strong if you crunch the numbers
grave compass
I still feel like its a slow burn though - like compared to most other builds doesnt synergize easy
gray lintel
if I remember the math right, blades have to be in contact with someone for 0.7 seconds to be as strong as other casts
They last 4 seconds. 
his dash is surprisingly legit too
it doesn't actually tell you how frequently the blades hit, which if I remember correctly is a hit interval of 0.1 seconds
grave compass
Pretty much all other gods start good and dont necessarily need much upgrades to be great
Ares you get doom and then NEED Athena - get blades and need multippe upgrades and preferably a duo to be OP
rugged estuary
For his attacks and cast, yes. But ares call is solid on his own, and absolutely absurd with his legendary
grave compass
Others they just sort of work - synergizing with most builds
Yeah - his call is just better athena call really
Immunity PLUS damage output
neon fiber
blenders
gray lintel
like again, 0.7 seconds. it hits 10 times a second. it's generally pretty easy to get his cast to linger on people for that long
grave compass
Eh - Guess its just play style
Personally id love to use ares more cos he's my favourite - he just could be so much better
Whereas points at demeter I literally see no downside to some other gods
shrewd brook
so playing Fists for the first time, what to choose: Rolling Knuckle, Rush Kick or Flying Cutter?
rugged estuary
Flying Cutter is bad, but gives big numbers.
gray lintel
Generally to use the blades and keep it active on people ya you have to be in melee too.
rugged estuary
Rolling knuckle is good if you have some dash-strike damage. rush kick is just really fun.
Sweet, just perfected the fury on 15 heat
shrewd brook
oh so it scales from dash strike? so if I have something like Aphrodyte dash does it also apply Weak?
rugged estuary
Nope, your dash strike scales from your attack boon.
It would apply the damage from artemis dash though.
visual dust
tbh I don't like ares call, I can output higher dps with athena's with any decent boons
shrewd brook
It's unfair to compare any call to Athena's. It's the best call in the game
I hope it doesn't get nerfed
narrow halo
Hi how can i run the game in 64x ?
neon fiber
By clicking the play button
narrow halo
This is a useless discord i asked 15 times
visual dust
@narrow halo go ask in tech fixes
viscid vale
i'm farming nectar atm and there is something a little strange : you give nectar for nothing sometimes ? I gave Nectar to Hades and i think i must have given Nectar twice to some gods but apart from the keepsake nothing more happened, yet i still can gift them
i'm a little disappointed with having the option to lose nectar for 0 reward, if that's the case
grave compass
Hades is the only one who wont give you a reward - it would kinda go against the whole plot of the game
All main characters give you 1 keepsake the first time you give them a nectar - after that you give nectar to increase your relationship with them and move on their own individual storys that you follow each time you come back
viscid vale
oh, ok, but the gods - i can improve my relationship with them ? will it give me something or should i focus on the companions like Than, Meg, Orpheus...?
Hades is such a prick xD
I noticed I cannot gift Hades anymore tho, I think
grave compass
I havent tested that yet- but i think if you unlock extra storys through them its very minor
Id recommend aiming for every keepsake then focusing on individual characters you want to build relationship with
First thing i did playing the game was try and max hypnos ๐คฃ
viscid vale
oh, i'll do that
pale roost
i would go for 1 nectar to each of them then focus sisyphus
viscid vale
why sisyphus ?
grave compass
Actually yeah- worth it in the long run
viscid vale
hypnos is nice haha
no spoilers lol, but Sisyphus doesn't seem that interesting, id rather farm nectar for trade (diamonds) or max my relationship with Than, Meg, or even Orpheus / Eury
its a little strange that you can gift gods and Chaos multiple times if it doesn't give you more than maybe a few lines of thanks lol
i thought maybe you could gain godly comps x)
languid storm
It progresses the stories with them and will probably lead into more as the game gets closer to full release
grave compass
Honestly i dont think it matters that much
Eventually you reach a point where progressing story with one requires you to be higher with others
So focus down on whoever you want until it says you need more in another
grave compass
If anything id say nyx is the most instrumental
viscid vale
is it normal that i can't use "summon" ? or unlock legendary keepsakes ? do i need to unlock the basic stuff first ?
oh, i didn't give Nyx anything lol
i didn't like her that much
she doesn't fit in well listening to my gay romance with Than or my pathetic attempts with Meg
i guess i still have to gift her then
grave compass
Yeah summon comes much later- patience
viscid vale
oh its allright thanks xD i was just worried after like 30 escape attempts i thought maybe i overlooked something, but i'm amazed this game has so much content it's great ! for early access
twin fists special hits so much harder than the bow's special...its...impressive
pliant palm
You can't really compare them tho.. The use isn't the same
viscid vale
yea, but i love the specials xD
i'm think after my rail run ill try the bow again, or the sword, to get to know / perfect some builds. Artemis / Athena / Chaos / Dedalus with the bow wasn't too bad but i was not crazy good in damage
but i did the fists just to try and...man...i just destroooyed everything in my path by boosting the special
green birch
Fists are a ton of funnn
viscid vale
whereas with the bow i was fleeing like a victim 90% of the time
green birch
I need to mess with them a bit more
viscid vale
especially against bosses
green birch
a very up close and personal weapon though, high risk if you're prone to mistakes
viscid vale
id say the bow is veeery satisfying when you have a boosted special that wrecks havoc everywhere in a room full of mobs, but against bosses...meh, meh, meh
neon fiber
yeah
talos is really useful though
viscid vale
the fists were the first ever run when i didn't have any problem in the poisonous rooms in the Styx
drifting kelp
i played this game 10 hours a day for the past week. came on here just to say, thanks supergiant games. this is one action-oriented roguelite that really stuck with me. looking forward ot the full release
viscid vale
i just obliterated everything too fast
viscid vale
Athena is amazing, its so satisfying ! also now i love Artemis, i discovered she was very powerful when i used the bow
green birch
Artemis is amazing!
I haven't made a build around her in a while... I should do that soon...
gotta give her more nectarrrr
viscid vale
Chaos and Daedalus, and Ares, are amazing too tbh. Id say i tend to like the least Demeter...I love Poseidon's visuals
drifting kelp
i was pretty amazed at how well i took to aphrodite's weak mechanic
against bosses, weak does a lot of work
viscid vale
yea lol Aphro is pretty addictive too
mystic vale
I had to wean myself off of using Aph on every single melee run.
viscid vale
i think my fav remains Athena, i'm getting even tired of seeing her visual effects cause i use her all the runs now
drifting kelp
zeus needs some work. he is way more relevant for weapons that rapid-fire small bits of damage than big, slow weapons
viscid vale
i didn't even see Zeus or Poseidon during my 3 previous runs
drifting kelp
im not sure how, but it should probably scale based ono weapon speed
viscid vale
Chaos and Daedalus are amazing with some stuff
drifting kelp
daedalus and chaos are run-shaping
mystic vale
Melee I rock Aphro and Athena most or all of the time. Artemis tends to show up often because crits are never bad, but I take her last if I'm trying to use Privileged Status - which is usually.
viscid vale
what's funny is how you change when you advance the game, at first i really avoided Artemis, i was Aphro / Dionysus
and i didn't like Ares
drifting kelp
ares' blade rift stuff is really siuational
viscid vale
and now i'm more avoiding Aphrodite
cause i already have what i need with others
and i don't remember if her call works that well
mystic vale
Poseidon and Ares are probably the two I get least.
drifting kelp
there are times when taking blade rift as your call just annihilates, and times where it does nothing at all
mystic vale
Aprho's call sucks - unless you max it. Then it's 2500 damage.
drifting kelp
2500 damage even in the grand scheme of things isnt amazing though
viscid vale
the least liked for me is Demeter, i tried her boons, pretty much everything, and...meh. Its nice for a change but not that crazy compared to other builds i tried
mystic vale
Honestly I'd prefer Ares or Athena's Call.
drifting kelp
the bow with one daedalus upgrade does 1100 damage at point blank with your special every second or two
mystic vale
Because I like defence on my Calls.
But I've taken Aph's call when she's offered me nothing else I needed and not felt bad about it.
viscid vale
i'm still so impressed at, i think it was Artemis, got my special boosted with the fists, then i used pom after pom and upgraded it to level 8 or sth and i was unstoppable
usually i get massively wrecked in the Styx rooms and it was a breeze
massive damage + big crit chance with improved damage too, improved damage after one dead mob...it was crazy lol
drifting kelp
the only enemy that really bothers me a lot is the satyrs poison dart
theres barely any windup and the projectile travels faster than light
viscid vale
ye, and don't forget the rats
cyan token
HEllost
mystic vale
It's blockable and deflectable.
It's pretty telegraphed because they stop moving and face you.
They usually move constantly elsewise.
viscid vale
Theseus attack is pretty hard to tell too
drifting kelp
if theres 2 or 3 in the room, its a big pain
viscid vale
the timing on Theseus is tricky for me
mystic vale
Yeah, Theseus can instantly go from running the other way to turning and firing at you.
drifting kelp
theseus can be cheesed pretty hard merely dodging to the left and right a lot
somehow hes easier when hes on the chariot
no shield to worry about
mystic vale
The heroes used to stomp me until I started going after Theseus first.
viscid vale
i remember having so much difficulty against Meg, and now most of the time i beat Theseus...FeelsGoodMan
drifting kelp
theseus first seems like hardmode to me, his spear is a non issue if you just keep a pillar between you and him
mystic vale
Asterius is not actually very good at following you if you're not close to him. Pretty easy to focus on Thes. But if you focus on Ast, Thes will snipe you from offscreen.
viscid vale
oh yea
vestal patrol
Theseus will call god mode on half health though
viscid vale
i focus on Ast and Theseus gets me far too often
drifting kelp
its also a good reason to intentionally fight asterious when you can
grave compass
I ways focus on asterius first - just keep an eye out for that aim symbol
Way easier than the other way arounf
drifting kelp
in elysium
viscid vale
I focus on the bull cause when Theseus is hurt he has annoying gods interventions
mystic vale
The game straight up tells you Ast is the weaker one. Why do you think he shows up as a miniboss? :p
vestal patrol
Because Theseus is trivial to cheese solo?
viscid vale
to remind us he's the least annoying of the two
Theseus is annoying in a good way tho - you rly want to punch his smug face
mystic vale
I've actually gotten past solo Ast a couple of times unhurt. And I suck at this game. :p
viscid vale
i'm sure you don't, but Asterius is not crazy hard ill give you that lol
mystic vale
(Theseus is also the main reason I prefer Shadow Presence over Fiery Presence.)
visual dust
thesues is by far the easier of the two
viscid vale
nooo
mystic vale
I so far have exactly one finish, with Fists. I'm still working on the other weapons. :p
visual dust
he literally has like 0 aoe and you can dodge his attack with one button
mystic vale
That's out of...let me check..
vestal patrol
Spider: Use shield. Its like cheating.
viscid vale
asterius is not a piece of cake, but Theseus is hard, at least for me he def is
drifting kelp
theseus definitely has AOE
visual dust
asterius is just annoying cause of his move speed
mystic vale
Shield is usually my main, but I won with Fists. I love shield, and I've put the most bloods into it.
viscid vale
and also how he butters Theseus
drifting kelp
for me, guan yu spear is the busted weapon
green birch
Shield is fun! I'm a sword fan myself
viscid vale
i used to love shield, now i love shield like i love a painful ex i guess
green birch
LOVE GUAN YU
mystic vale
But I can't get the damage high enough to race the end boss.
green birch
have yet to win with it but love it
drifting kelp
that special is just so good right out the gate
viscid vale
sword is greaat
mystic vale
And I am not good enough at his pattern to know when he's going to do his two-thirds screen charge attack.
visual dust
||Excalibur || is so op honestly
viscid vale
honestly bow and rail are interesting
pliant palm
Bow is boring to play imo, and too dependent on which hammer you get
mystic vale
Took me 46 attempts to get that one win. :p
viscid vale
its a little too dependent on a specific build maybe
mystic vale
I suck heroically. ^_^
viscid vale
id say the main problem with bow is that it's difficult to deal big damage with it...for me at least. With the fists its far easier
lean root
I cannot stand playing with the bow, but it's also the weapon I pioneer with since I am forced to play slowly, which helps me take less damage and survive longer in the run
mystic vale
Oh, wait. 45. Forgot I did a second run after the win but had to quit out because I was getting sleepy.
viscid vale
lmao
mystic vale
I'm not quite narcoleptic, but I have heart issues that sometimes wear me out very quickly.
vestal patrol
Just drink 3 pots of coffee beforehand
Im sure that'll help with no repercussions whatsoever
viscid vale
do you all use the status effects perk ? it looks crazy effective from what i read
vestal patrol
which perk is that?
viscid vale
privileged status i think
grave compass
Upgrading the mirror helps quite a bit for more constant wins
The ones i used are maxed out and now i never dont reach hades
Bow is better once you get chiron and hera
hazy yacht
first blade clear https://i.imgur.com/r0HRuiK.png
maxing out the mirror was the best thing i ever did
tepid ridge
@viscid vale Privileged status. I used to love it but I prefer the flexibility and passive nature of Family Favorite or which ever one boosts damage based on the number of different Olympians you have.
pliant palm
GG !
hazy yacht
the last 4 or 5 upgrades in the mirror are absolutely essential
grave compass
Also dont sleep on demeter - her decay boon massively helps vs bosses
hazy yacht
i'd say the last 5
viscid vale
yeah @tepid ridge bc with privileged status you basically are forced to vary effects all the time on foes, right ? So that they always are afflicted by multiple effects
viscid vale
yea it's temporary
pliant palm
And that
tepid ridge
Basically I felt forced to build around status effects and found I was taking damage trying to apply both. Itโs more damage but less reliably that a flat bonus
viscid vale
its very adapted to a gameplay where you vary attacks
vestal patrol
Some of the effects run out really quickly as well if youre not constantly reapplying them
pliant palm
So it's better, but not for every build
viscid vale
i understand, yea
visual dust
aphrodite attacks + demeter special
pliant palm
And you need to "get out of your way" to apply both effect
visual dust
makes it last like 10s
viscid vale
that's why at this time i prefer the other perk
vestal patrol
I agree with oak tbh, Id rather have a smaller passive boost than gamble on something big but unreliable
grave compass
I feel like youre almost guaranteed a 12% buff unless you avoid boons for some reason
vestal patrol
No boon run is new meta
viscid vale
the other perk doesn't force you too much, ideally you should "got out of your way" and go in every god's chamber and accept every different god's boon but...i don't do that and i'm still ok, as long as i got a small bonus its ok for me
but privileged status, on paper, looks OP af
no boon run is new meta, lmao
visual dust
i find the small % boost is just too small
tepid ridge
On average itโs like a 10% damage drop from the 40% I would think.
viscid vale
oh, right
vestal patrol
Im sure i had one run where I had like 6 different gods or something
I dunno if theres a hard cap on how many different gods you can actually find
pliant palm
I defo already had runs with only 2 god, on the other hand
vestal patrol
Yeah
pliant palm
Usually when I go Zeus/Poseidon
grave compass
I dont think ive ever only had 2 gods unless ive gone out my way to avoid other boons
pliant palm
Yeah, zeus + poseidon and shield with aspect of Chaos is ez win each time
grave compass
Which isnt recommended
vestal patrol
Is it just me as well, but is boon/weapon pretty much always better than any other reward?
pliant palm
Most of the time, yeah
visual dust
ares is bad, zues is usually bad for what I want, Dionysus is also usually bad for my playstyle but also offers an easy to apply curse
mystic vale
Man, I'd rock Ice Wine and Cold Fusion every run if my luck would support it.
pliant palm
I mean, dio has premium vintage and his cast, which are both nearly always good (especially if you have already have/aim for Zeus/demeter after)
vestal patrol
Demeters boons seems to vary from amazing to really quite underwhelming
moreso than any other god, i mean
vestal patrol
By Dio I assume you mean Dionysus, and you've not taken to worshipping Black Sabbath
pliant palm
When you don't specially want any in your build, i mean
grave compass
I dont think theres ever a good reason to not choose a God room - even if yiu dont think they fit your build
Take ares get a damage buff, take aphro get health buff, take dio get low health buff, take zues get a call buff
mystic vale
I'd call Zeus trash tier if not for Jolt.
grave compass
There is no downside
vestal patrol
Yeah
vestal patrol
Even at worst, most of the gods offer something like +healing or +dps
mystic vale
I mean the lightning is cool, but it's not very damaging.
grave compass
Most of the people ive seen on this who post the super speed runs say athena call is trash tier from what ive seen
pliant palm
Lightning is excellent with fast weapons tho
mystic vale
Well, from what I've seen, the higher you go, the less defence matters.
grave compass
Athena call***
visual dust
i mean a god room can be less useful than max life or a power pom
pliant palm
If you manage to get his leg with the Rail, it's insane
visual dust
like a zues room is no good for someone with a super slow weapon
vestal patrol
I think this is a problem which how the boons have flat effects per weapon tbh
mystic vale
Speedrunners are usually one-shotting everything, but they also have spent 100k darkness, 50 titan bloods, etc.
They've already beat the game 50+ times.
mystic vale
I haven't. :p
pliant palm
or his call, or something
vestal patrol
Like, zeus lightning on Bow, not impressed. Zeus lightning on railgun or fists, huge DPS boost
pliant palm
Only ares really sucks imo
grave compass
True but generally ill take their advice
mystic vale
And yet Ares is part of Merciful End and Hunting Blades.
Probably his only uses, admittedly. :p
pliant palm
That's the thing, if you don't aim for an Ares build, he sucks
He doesn't really fit in any other build than his own
mystic vale
Unless I am specifically angling for one of those two, I'll take almost any room over an Ares room.
pliant palm
Ye
small stirrup
An Ares and Athena build work pretty well
mystic vale
On paper, it's neat that he has a boon for attack/cast/special, but how often are you using all three?
I sometimes uses attack and special when doing Privileged Status.
Exagryph too, since both attacks are good in different situations. Bow. That's it.
grave compass
I probably wouldnt say to put the same god on all 3 no matter the build - becoming way to specialised
mystic vale
Everything else I'm spamming one attack type and/or dash-strike.
grave compass
Maybe artemis
tepid ridge
I only take urge to kill if Iโm late in a build to boost it or I canโt reroll and the other options arenโt useful to me
mystic vale
Like my fists win - I had Merciful so I'd tag someone with one attack (Doom) and then Upper twice to proc.
And I'm sorry, but the God of War shouldn't suck at war. :p
pliant palm
Doom on fist attack, oof
vestal patrol
So, question as a general rule: would you take a chaos gate over a weapon or hermes door?
mystic vale
Let me check my screenie to see what I had on special.
tepid ridge
I probably would take the gate. Hammers and Hermes boons will show up later in a run anyway
mystic vale
Ah, Divine. I had Blinding Flash, Ruthless, and Greater Dodge, so I had Deflect and sometimes as much as 80% dodge.
Screenie's over in spoiler channel, second screenie from bottom.
small stirrup
Between Hammer and Chaos, hammer any day
mystic vale
Y'all can probably read the screenie better than I can anyhow. :p
grave compass
Hermes ive learnt not to pass up - you only get 3 max per run and if you skip one cant gurantee youll get what you need later
pliant palm
Idk, sometimes he is absolute trash
mystic vale
2 actual boons max, and I've always seen him in Temple if you don't get 2nd one before then.
visual dust
chaos every time
mystic vale
Granted that's "always" in like eight runs that got to Temple.
grave compass
Its 3 including styx
tepid ridge
Yea. He will still show up in the final shop where you have to buy it
small stirrup
Try getting fated persuasion
pliant palm
Meh
small stirrup
It helps so much
pliant palm
Not enough darkness
tepid ridge
Chaos is always useful in my experience and one of my favorite characters so Iโm a little biased.
small stirrup
Just started?
mystic vale
I'm glad I spent on Fated Persuasion instead of the red one.
small stirrup
Don't you'll get there!
mystic vale
Easiest way to get Darkness is 0 heat, grab your chaos egg, and try to get +darkness chaos boon.
small stirrup
If you have the fated keys then you should try just stacking a few of those
pliant palm
I just don't wanna farm Darkness
mystic vale
You can easily get +200% or so.
pliant palm
I'm too busy pushing the heat
mystic vale
And combine that with Dark Regeneration.
For super heals.
Yeah, I need to farm diamonds to get all the buffs for gem/key/darkness pickups.
I am glad I took nectar first though.
small stirrup
I think its 3 diamonds for each one?
mystic vale
Yeah. And I've had a total of six diamonds, one of which went to fishing rod.
small stirrup
Oh yeah that got added recently
mystic vale
Which I totally do not regret.
small stirrup
I happened to get them all before the fishing update so I happened to have spare diamonds left over
mystic vale
But I need diamonds and titan bloods the most now. I'm slowly running out of Darkness uses and I've already finished keys.
Rod is just 1 diamond.
pliant palm
I finally finished buying everything in the lounge, the 1500 gems shelf was a bit of a pain x)
pliant palm
I wonder if we'll have more cosmetics with the next update
Not that it's a priority
But it's always nice c:
small stirrup
I'd like new stuff in the room
mystic vale
I won't be getting a single cosmetic until I've bought all the stuff that makes things easier and covers up how badly I suck. :p
pliant palm
Yeah, ofc
mystic vale
Yerp. Still working on those.
small stirrup
Which one do you have left?
pliant palm
15 ambrosia saved, still no bouldy companion :c
small stirrup
You got the dusa companion?
pliant palm
Yeah
small stirrup
She takes like what? 11 ambrosia?
mystic vale
Missing Alternate Exits, Brilliant Gemstones, Fated Keys, Administrative Privileges, and Pitch-Black Darkness. And anything unlocked by those.
small stirrup
I suggest going for Fated keys, Pitch black Darkness, Brilliant Gemstones, Administrative privlages and then the Alternate exits last.
mystic vale
That was about the order I had in mind too.
I might do the darkness first.
BTW when do the green mirror options open up? I never noticed then until I unlocked 30 key tier, but were they always there?
small stirrup
Sure that works as well
The green mirror unlocked automatically for me so I can't tell when they exactly unlock
mystic vale
Because man, if I had starting advice for someone, it would be to swap out Cthonic Vitality for Dark Regeneration ASAP.
mystic vale
Not to mention that all Darkness Troves and the Darkness well item become healing sources too.
I mean Cthonic isn't godawful. It'll still heal you 150+ over a full run, but I've had SINGLE darkness heals for that much. :p
pliant palm
Yeah, it's unlocked since the start
mystic vale
So yeah, if I ever am part of a noob guide, that will easily be one of the first things in it.
pliant palm
I mean