Bruh.
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
acoustic nova
trying to kill asterius while avoiding the call and spear is a pain
turbid needle
Not every build can safely AoE nuke.
And when Asterius's spin is arguably more dangerous than Hades's phase 5 laser attack, it's almost always a bad thing if Asterius starts spinning next to Theseus.
turbid needle
Less of a mouthful than "phase 2 of phase 2".
flat brook
because my plan is to dodge the call and attack hopefully both asterius and theseus
neon fiber
I wanna go blind into EM Theseus since i assume that’s an EM thing
flat brook
but the spin stops me completely
turbid needle
Oh, you've never fought the Heroes on EM before?
flat brook
yup, EM theseus
neon fiber
The suffering makes it more fun
turbid needle
Oh, that makes so much more sense, we're talking about the EM fight.
neon fiber
Nope, taking a bit of a rest these last two days, i’m on a moderately low amount of heat
turbid needle
Well now I'm just confused because Asterius doesn't have a spin attack outside of Extreme Measures.
neon fiber
I know that EM Theseus has g u n and the EM heroes get the biggest changes out of the three EM ones but that’s abour it
neon fiber
I know Asterius can spin2win on EM too, but i don’t know the exact mechanics on either
turbid needle
Now you do.
neon fiber
I have a vague idea at best of what EM heroes entail since i purposely avoided spoilering myself with EMs because what’s the fun in that
flat brook
you definitely should do a couple EM3 runs at least for the dialogue
neon fiber
Speaking of which, i found EM Hydra kinda dissapointing
It’s just regular Lernie but with less wriggling room, which means you can kill more heads at once
The only dangerous thing about it is that avoiding the triple head slam is actually hard now
lethal crane
I mean, for me the lava-dancing is the most deadly part of the game almost
So EM hydra is one of the rough patches for me usually
neon fiber
Also let it be known, Theseus having an automated chariot isn’t that far fetched since Hephaestus made bronze robots in the trojan war
lethal crane
But I get what you're saying
Not far fetched at all, gifts from the gods are never far fetched!
neon fiber
And amusingly enough, so did Daedalus
So the chariot is probably one of his constructs
flat brook
Thanks for the help than, couldn't have done it without you 👍 https://i.imgur.com/GVES4f2.png
turbid needle
Make sure you save that "Robbed Thanatos," it's quite valuable.
flat brook
let's hope "big shopping trip, too!" doesn't overwrite it
cloud cairn
I've played hades for about 3-4 hours and i just made it to the hades fight at the end, i went in with 1 death defiance from athena and about half health, i got him to about 1/4 health remaining, what upgrades should i unlock to make the fight easier?
turbid needle
How much of the Mirror of Night have you filled out?
cloud cairn
1 death defiance, the greater mobility and the +3 health for each chamber room
and some of the backstab damage
turbid needle
More Death Defiances.
turbid needle
You should eventually max the entire mirror, but the last talent will take a very long time.
cloud cairn
Okay
flat brook
Even though the bolts don't proc multiple times on the same target, zeus' special on chaos shield is still insane https://i.imgur.com/80Z2Ho3.jpg
- robbed thanatos
also, is splitting bolt not proccing from sea storm intended or is it a bug? scintillating feast has the same effect and procs splitting bolt
glossy plaza
there are no verticality in this game so yea, the small ledge is more of a 5 pixel wall than a divider
sullen valley
These rats be hacking with their attack-through-wall cheats
harsh aspen
Had that happen as well. Thought it was weird.
lament coral
yep, they can also bite you through the thin walls on the elite urn map
turbid needle
Can they bite you across that little table above Zag in the picture? The shop tables?
lament coral
I don't believe so
they also can't bite directly through the middle of a pillar, but its corners might be thin enough
sullen valley
What kinda jank heccin-
I don't even know how to separate the stuff but this is the weirdest damage-negation run I've ever got.
/damage dealer run
I have no idea what-
cunning urchin
What's weird?
lethal crane
I'm so silly...going for duo-boon prophecy and trying to get lightning rod...but I run with Stygian blood
can i even get it?
i just wanna get it for the prophecy QQ
turbid needle
No.
naive tusk
Lightning Rod is one of the easiest duo boons to get. Just get 1 core boon from Artemis and Zeus, and then just wait for it to appear 
cunning urchin
@turbid heart this seems like a better place to discuss strategy anyway. I don't really have a problem with skull "spam" in most clears. Maybe you're not focused enough on attacking Hades, thereby pushing him into the next phases?
turbid heart
He can spam skull in both phases
cunning urchin
Deflect helps a ton too since you can just deflect them right back at him, deal some damage that way, and can keep attacking him without needing to evade the waves.
turbid heart
I am in high heat it's not fun
naive tusk
I remember having 1 FB match where he spammed like 7 skulls in a row. Thankfully I had Brilliant Riposte so it was like playing tennis 
turbid needle
I think his worst is two skulls then a thrust and he can spam that a little.
cunning urchin
With Malphon and Divine Strike I just keep holding down attack when he throws skulls.
turbid needle
But eventually you're just dealing with 40% FO and you need to confront the fact that this is like Dante Must Die.
cunning urchin
When he does the beams, I also . . . keep holding down attack.
turbid needle
That really block the beams?
cunning urchin
No, I think it's just you can stand right next to him and don't get hit. Not because of deflect.
turbid needle
Oh, yeah, I knew about that.
cunning urchin
And with Malphon I'm doing that already anyway, and the attack doesn't move me around.
I only really get hit by urns and spins.
Thankfully I have ~60% dodge by then usually, so I win the DPS race.
turbid heart
But skulls can still go out of bounds and that has been around since before the Demeter patch
That's not a hard fix
They can go out of bounds in the south east part of the map and the north
And yes I have reported it in game
cunning urchin
Might be intentional or just low priority right now.
west totem
I tried a build where i just maxed out cast and Demeter's ice crystal lazer
it was fun, absolutely melts bosses
But theseus has a shield :(
Also i had 2 boons, poseidon's attack knockback, and a hammer for the shield that makes it so the shield does no knock back, ehhhhh the interaction was a bit weird
cunning urchin
Just put one in front and one behind him. He can't block both.
naive tusk
I suggest you make him face the other way so that it can hit him
west totem
Its very difficult for people to look away from Zagreus' face
cunning urchin
You're supposed to make him face away from the beam, not from Zagreus. 
west totem
I am the beam
cunning urchin
Also i had 2 boons, poseidon's attack knockback, and a hammer for the shield that makes it so the shield does no knock back, ehhhhh the interaction was a bit weird
Some of my first sword clears were with the double hit special but reduced range and the extra range on special.
In hindsight pretty weak combo, but fun anyway.
turbid needle
Double/Super Nova once held the speedrun WR, when Zag had the T-Pose of Power.
Nah, it's still great.
cunning urchin
It is?
cunning urchin
I figured there'd be much better combos for the sword.
turbid needle
After Aspects were released Nemesis Dash-Strikes and Poseidon Cast took over.
cunning urchin
I mainly use the sword for cast builds now. Though I've been trying out Excalibur recently.
What's the T-Pose of Power?
turbid needle
Nova Smash hit instantly and Zagreus did a T-pose.
cunning urchin
lol
turbid needle
Just Zag T-posing at stuff and it would die.
west totem
Proof he is a god
cunning urchin
He's in remarkably good health for somebody who's died repeatedly. I think that's proof enough.
west totem
All the blood he lost is replaced when he takes a soak in the pool
lethal crane
Got my duo boon finally, 3 legendary boons + aphro/ares combo and i'm DONE!
I guess I found out the bow aspect that works for me...Hera
cuz why not just make cast or dash builds
naive tusk
Save me from these 10 Asphodel witches with Savior BP + Athena's trial (I'm using Aspect of Hera with Chaos' curse to not use my cast)
naive tusk
Speaking of Hera, sweet that you found your preferred aspect 
west totem
Anyone think that the final boss kinda feels like Undertale's final boss
naive tusk
I'm not kidding. I might have to give up here
lethal crane
Yea I can imagine
those Aspho witches with the right buffs are a pain
Lava doesn't help
chaos hurts a lot
naive tusk
Please nerf Savior BP 
lethal crane
Also...did you let them have athena?!
what does savior do? I killed all the elite-style mobs but no clue which is which
naive tusk
I wasn't counting on the trial spawning 10 Savior Witches!
They are practically invulnerable
lethal crane
but what did you pick OVER athena in a trial? I never choose against her
did it once, learned
naive tusk
Savior makes it so all shades get a blue heart. Imagine 10 of them at the same time + Athena's shield
All the while I have Hera Bow with Phalanx Shot ._.
I picked Poseidon over her. Never again 
lethal crane
Athena > Demeter > Aphro > Posei/Dio > Ares > Zeus > Artemis -- that's how I pick
naive tusk
But even without Athena's buff, these witches keep getting blue hearts in seconds!
naive tusk
Yeah, like 4 hearts in a second
naive tusk
I'm casting, even if it hurts me but it's in vain
I literally cannot harm these things
lethal crane
anything on your special?
naive tusk
Blank special 💀
lethal crane
i love the special early on
i tend to pick some zeus or dio on it fast so i can clear that, that's the only way i make it to styx at all
on bosses the cast wins ofc
damn man
maybe, just maybe, melee-special them
60-70 dmg per spread
naive tusk
I like Thunder Flourish on non-Chiron bows
lethal crane
but...
yea that zeus special rocks
especially if you get extra shots or pierce
love it
OR BOTH
but yea considering zag aspect leaves me with 1 option - attack to win with 10% crit...hera gives me 2 so that's nice
guess i'll try and always build a cast run with the bow now
see how that goes
west totem
Athena is the worst god to go against imo
naive tusk
OK, lost 2 DDs but I did it! Thanks for the point-blank special suggestion 
But truly, they need to take a look at that. It was not fun or easy to deal with at all 
lethal crane
I mean...RNG can be a problem!
I had a run today with full chaos-buffs for my attack/dash-tack
and 0 attack boons cuz choices got removed
all the way up to styx
But yea for me the bow priority is always to get something to clear mass-packs with the special
and then you can always manage by kiting if the pack is too hard...but ofc i'm at a pretty low heat with that
Glad you made it through! NEVER SURRENDER!
west totem
Is it just me or are zeus and ares boons rarer
lethal crane
for me they aren't
i avoid ares usually, so i know how often it annoys me to see him as my choice
not a big fan of blades or doom 😦
though i made both work fine when needed
west totem
So uh, is artemis one of the weaker gods to get a boon from
lethal crane
i used to think that
and then i did the math on crit
seems she out-damages everyone IF you combine it with another damage boost
so like, chaos boons for your attack + crit on attack
or any aspect that gives + % to damage
depends on the build ofc, but anything that does % extra damage benefits greatly from her
west totem
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Whaddabout poseidon
All that knockback
wallslams are nice but
its annoyin innit
lethal crane
i love posei but i learned that some builds dont do well with knockback for me
i love having his dash
great extra damage while melee-attacking
and i like his cast in cast builds ofcourse
but railgun-rockets suck with him for me at least
west totem
Gotta save that dash slot for artemis tho
lethal crane
i mean...you can
i'd drop 100% damage (from the baseline) in favor of a good dash in some builds
i'd almost always take athena over that
unless i have her on attack
west totem
Me wanting knockback in a run be like:
Show me the Possy b0ss
lethal crane
naive tusk
5 dashes
naive tusk
You mean splash
lethal crane
ARRGGGHH ME |HEARTY|
west totem
TIME TO MAKE SOME WAVES
naive tusk
So you like Poseidon?
loud dagger
My brother got me a new PC the other day so I was finally able to start playing Hades!!
I just reached Elysium tonight🔥🔥🔥
quiet veldt
Anyone have tips for the spear? i have every other weapon at around 5 ||heat|| but spear i am only at 1, it just seems like its damage doesn't keep up with how slow it is and there are better weapons for playing from a range. (not talking about the hidden aspect here, that plays almost like a completely different weapon)
flat brook
no need to mark things as spoiler here
i'll let someone better with the spear itself help you with "default" spear gameplay
but as someone who doesn't play with the spear much, i got my bounties by pretty much doing cast builds with achilles
just run achilles and stygian soul. Start dio's keepsake and get trippy shot, then look forward to getting ice wine in asphodel and scintillating feast in elysium. if you get zeus and/or demeter in tartarus, go for them, will make things a lot easier later
also prioritize chaos and try to get an extra cast stone
then, when you're full build, after using achilles' special twice your next 2 casts will have +150% damage, and that's how you delete everything
and that's basically it, dio's legendary and zeus' legendary (when you have scint feast) are nice bonuses if you manage to get them, but are not required
quiet veldt
doing a special based build with guan yu or cast with achilles does sound like it would make getting heat up not too bad, but im mainly just looking as to what the core of the spear is supposed to do without some gimmick build, i just dont get it. thanks for all the tips still
flat brook
yeah, i also did a couple of runs with hades aspect. You half charge the spin and your attacks/special deal +150% damage for 15s afterwards, it's pretty good. It's also a lot more flexible, since you can let the hammer options decide if you go for a dash-strike or special build
so other than guan yu or cast builds, hades is pretty fun once you get the hang of it
just remember that you can dash out of the spin to safely hit enemies, the game doesn't tell you, and it makes a huge difference
quiet veldt
ill build up some more titan blood with the weapons im used to and then try out some hades aspect runs, that seems like the only way to use the spear with nothing fancy
flat brook
normal zag aspect is good also if you get some special hammers, if you're trying to save titan blood that would be your best bet
assuming you already have zag aspect upgraded
quiet veldt
my spear has all 3 aspects unlocked but nothing leveld yet, but zag aspect is cheaper to upgrade
cunning urchin
just remember that you can dash out of the spin to safely hit enemies
That's how I use the special on Arthur a lot of the time. Startup at a distance and dash in for the slam.
flat brook
yeah, then i'd go for it first
quiet veldt
but if i wanted to spam special i would probably use guan yu anyway, but ill keep that in mind for sure
starting up a attack with Arthur and dashing before it comes out is so much fun, one of my favorite aspects for sure
flat brook
if you have guan yu fully upgraded it's the best spear aspect according to most
cunning urchin
I've read here a Dash-Strike build can be very effective with the spear, but I've no experience with it.
quiet veldt
i assume as much, but it costs a lot of blood to upgrade and its still -70% for me
flat brook
oh, so imo you should upgrade zag aspect
guan yu reeeally needs all upgrades
I've read here a Dash-Strike build can be very effective with the spear, but I've no experience with it.
i've tried dash strikes lots of times with the spear... i really don't like it, since you basically need the hammer upgrade, and even then it still does little damage
quiet veldt
well im gonna do some runs, thanks for chatting
cunning urchin
Good luck!
Lv.1 Guan Yu at low heat actually taught me a few things, I think. It was definitely doable.
But that was when the spin could go through pillars and rocks.
flat brook
i've never played with lv 1 guan yu, but i think it would've taught me ragequit
cunning urchin
Street Fighter V had already taught me that.
quiet veldt
lv.1 guan yu with the butterfly trinket makes for a chaotic run, but its far from a good idea
flat brook
can you even enter chaos gates with a lv1 guan yu and no thick skin? you'd have 15 hp
cunning urchin
Once you get some heart chambers lol.
mossy breach
and then chaos offers 3 maimed boons
west totem
Finally beat the game
I crie
used up 3 death saves on final boss
last life and skellys charm, beat it with 27 hp
Wasted 546 hp
kek
I hate the bow
grave compass
Congrats 😁
I feel whenever chaos has a boon i want its always the most annoying trade off
Lost so many dds whilst i had the maimed boon on amd every time im like... so i wouldve survived that 😥
west totem
Bruh getting a boon whre you cant attack and it doesnt wear off before the bossfight
grave compass
A minus speed in elysium or 'lose health when you special' in a specifically special build- feel so underpowered
The bow and the fists i think are the only ones that dont get as much if a loss to 'you cant attack'
The others are either really low power or a but too slow
Maybe spear too actually
Bow special build is how i got my first win i think - close range aphro boosted destruction
Had hoped to be doing another run right now but my PC took a poop and started freezing in the middle of a hades room 😭
So instead i have the fun task of running diagonistics, anti virus scans, driver checks etc. to see what went wrong
west totem
Bruh the bow special are kinda bad tho
west totem
Bro i just unlocked aspects bro pls bro
neon fiber
no bros allowed go use chiron
flat brook
bow special is good if you get the charged special hammer
unfortunately you can't get it with chiron
not that you'd need it anyway
pale roost
chiron is really good if you have Aphro on the attack and Dio on the special with their duo
cunning urchin
What's the ||Infernal Gatekeeper|| title for?
elfin ledge
doing enough of ||infernal gates, flaming rewards where you cant be hit|| in one run
cunning urchin
Ah thanks.
grave compass
Even standard bow if you use special right its pretty darn effective
Like its not perfect but pre aspects (and so very low mirror upgrades) close range special nuked certain enemies for me
Absolutely destroyed the hydra with just up close special and dash a way
rugged estuary
what is going on
why is this not working
oh right, the silly screenshot bug
Not even charon is safe from the current economic crisis
west totem
I think the channel just blocked images
rugged estuary
Nah, I deleted them because it kept being the wrong image
naive tusk
Love me an empty shop 
neon fiber
"shop 🅱️roke" -Charon
novel prawn
is there supposed to be an Impervious to damage effect for zagreus when you take a lot of damage at once?
like... do you get that by default, with no boons, keepsakes or whatsoever?
because that keeps happening, and I'm not sure if it's intended
or I'm not sure what's the exact trigger
novel prawn
ok, but why? is the trigger actually you getting hit a lot? (like under half health, or something?)
also, is this maybe documented somewhere? (on a wiki, or even in the game)
actually
i'll check, sry for that last question
flat brook
if i had to guess it's a certain % of hp, but i'm not sure myself
"lots of damage" suffices for me
novel prawn
ok
was just asking, because I might have sent in a bug report that's actually a false alarm... might have 😄
thanks
also
is there a way to follow on bug reports that I've sent, like send an update?
not sure if this is the best place to ask
naive tusk
As far as I know, there's no way to follow up on reports. But no worries if you sent that by mistake
proud storm
quick question, do dash-attacks count towards the combo counter from the fists' demeter aspect
i never pay attention
nvm i'll just try it out myself
dire mason
Hey @novel prawn ! Thanks for your concern. We're able to weed through false bug reports quickly enough, so no need to send a follow-up in this case. 👍
cunning urchin
@proud storm yes, dash-strikes count.
proud storm
thank u
proud storm
decisions decisions https://i.imgur.com/5yGoDbw.jpg
should i go say hello to best grandma, visit broccoli girl, say hi to my uncle and maybe get huge catch or dive into the void
well i went for the not-so-cool uncle who did not give me huge catch
not only that but he now taunts me in charon's shop two chambers later https://i.imgur.com/jcClsL2.jpg
sullen valley
o o f
proud storm
ok you're forgiven but i was hoping to get that earlier https://i.imgur.com/yA5J6Uh.jpg
now to find mx chaos
naive tusk
Appât Irrésistible 🎣
proud storm
hon hon oui la france
snow copper
Can somebody explain stubborn defiance? It sounds like death defiance but with less health and working in every room?
Is that right?
lament coral
yep, and you can have only 1 charge at a time
molten delta
Yeah it works like that, it also replaces kiss of styx in store with an item that grants you more %hp when stubborn defiance activates, you can stack it multiple times if you're lucky to find it multiple times
I dont know if Chaos has a different legendary boon due to choosing stubborn, the same goes for Athena
I feel like stubborn can be used to your advantage during asphodel and elysium chambers, because you can kill yourself with traps or fire in order to activate stubborn and regain hp is your hp is lower than the minimun stubborn hp
strange bay
turbid needle
Athena's DD boons are, uh, bad with Stubborn Defiance.
And hard agree with Polter.
After eating dirt against Hades like four runs in a row because I didn't want to play more carefully I switched back to regular DDs.
Chaos's boon and Skelly still work normally, they add an additional refillable DD, but you'd need an Athena DD at that point.
snow cradle
Anyone know how to get the winters harvest legendary boon? like which ones to grab beforehand
earnest ravine
You need Killing Freeze and the "explode at 10 chill stacks" boon.
snow cradle
thx
flat brook
You need Killing Freeze and the "explode at 10 chill stacks" boon.
is it both like fully loaded or either one?
earnest ravine
It's both.
flat brook
oooh, that explains a lot
that's why dem's legendary is so rare then
Also, why does posi's razor shoals count as prerequisite for the legendary while zeus' static discharge doesn't? They serve the same function for both gods
turbid needle
No, you get Touches of Styx if you have Stubborn Defiance.
lethal crane
Wait...for Fully loaded I need BOTH Dual Shot and Exit Wounds?
I figured it was one
Ouch
I have 3 more legendary boons to get to finish my prophecies
and like 2k gems to farm
to finish my houseee
lament coral
it was changed recently, used to be only 1
dense locust
I've never seen that poseidon boon again since the freebie in the first room on release of the new patch
lethal crane
that artemis one is the hardest to obtain then
or maybe not, that chart is confusing me
dense locust
but also that boon is most unwelcome in any run where you're trying to win and not catch fish, other than selling
lethal crane
😄
dense locust
i haven't seen it since
lethal crane
same
got it the one time
Oh nice
you need both sunken treasure and ocean's bounty for that
could do a farm run doing that
dense locust
the problem is, sunken treasure is kinda lame for a farm run
lethal crane
you can sacrifice a boon once for that on 0 heat
dense locust
i guess ive only done darkness farm runs
but that barely helps for farming gems as well
lethal crane
i need 25k darkness for my next rank-up
kinda doubt i'll get that anytime soon
is 50k the last rank or there's more?
xD
naive tusk
Any suggestions for the Special on Aspect of Talos? I'm giving it some love tonight
flat brook
do you mean builds?
turbid needle
Ares or Aphrodite.
torpid turret
I usually take something with high damage and still focus the attack since you get 40% extra attack damage
torpid turret
Well no I use it as an attack aspect, but I also mix in the special to get the 40% bonus
Otherwise I just go zag aspect and only use attack
flat brook
yeah, i use the talos special and cancel after the pull to get the +40% bonus
naive tusk
Oooh thank you!
flat brook
never really had a special run with it since the pull possibly makes the whole special slower
and thinking about it, i've never done a cast build with talos either, hmm
torpid turret
Yeah I never do primarily special builds on fists
Even with Demeter you only really want to special when it's charged, curious what 4th aspect will bring to the table
turbid needle
I like Talos with Hunting Blades because the pull mitigates Slicing Shot being less than stellar on its own.
flat brook
that sounds interesting ^
lethal crane
Just tried a fresh save and died in Tartarus...I guess even after heat 18+ I'm still bad at this game xD
torpid turret
I've never tried a cast build with it either, since I usually will just take 
flat brook
i feel like 4th aspect will be a bit like arthur, perhaps charged fists, since all 3 aspects currently are very fast paced
torpid turret
I hope its very heavy attacks, something that could possible be charged for a bigger aoe or something
cunning urchin
Not that bad really. Not having house contractor upgrades on a new save changes things quite a lot.
flat brook
having no dds/dashes/boon rarity upgrades is a huge deal
torpid turret
Recently just 100% my file and so excited for all the new content to come
lethal crane
Listen, if I can't even reach the Furies on my 150th attempt with 0 buffs from mirror/contractor
I feel bad
flat brook
i think i'm "only" missing a couple thousand gems for decor
lethal crane
xD
Yea I got 1 last decor
unless more unlock like they did after i finished the west hall
which was weird
sudden hercules statue for 1.5k appears
torpid turret
I finished with gems the other day and just finished with my final mirror upgrade
lethal crane
final final?
torpid turret
done done
lethal crane
both sides fully loaded?!
torpid turret
yessir
torpid turret
Everything unlocked. Only took 250 hours play time hahaha
lethal crane
i wanna get that
torpid turret
10-4
torpid turret
yup
torpid turret
Yeah 115k darkness vs 41k lmao
lethal crane
good enough
flat brook
i feel evil that i used cheat engine to complete my fated authorities 
lethal crane
cheat engine? o.O
torpid turret
I dont blame you, but its satisfying doing it yourself
The darkness farming runs are quite fun
Game picks weapon for you, then you just run a blind seed hoping for chaos to offer darkness gain
Really got me to try a lot of different builds over the course of 100k+ darkness
flat brook
when the darkness required for the next upgrade is more than your total after sinking hours into playing the game, it's quite demotivating
so i may or may not have taken a shortcut
but in the end everyone's the same so i guess it doesn't matter
lethal crane
i don't see a problem with cheating in single player anyway
turbid needle
I've had no issue playing almost constantly for over a year.
Everyone is different.
torpid turret
^
turbid needle
I have over 100k Darkness and 5k Gems with everything purchased.
flat brook
i have no issues with ludicrous gem prices, i've never touched it with cheat engine
turbid needle
Chasing Dark Thirst is a very good way to learn the game no matter what, though.
lethal crane
well the moment i won't enjoy playing i won't be bothered by farming either
i like having such high goals for grinds
flat brook
but fated authorities affect gameplay, i didn't like being gimped by a huge grind
torpid turret
I just love taking whatever weapon that gives a darkness boost and sending whatever build it throws my way
torpid turret
I feel like I've tried nearly everything you can hahah
lethal crane
though it tends to pick sword all the time
i got a few more aspects to fully upgrade as well, but feel no rush as i never play them
so saving up blood until i wanna try something with them
flat brook
I feel like I've tried nearly everything you can hahah
funny how even then there's always new things to try
flat brook
i'll go to sleep, maybe tomorrow i'll try a spicy talos cast build
torpid turret
So much random stuff you can pull off
lethal crane
no dash?!
flat brook
zeus dash only run, that's my challenge for everyone who can do it
lethal crane
did you do a no boon run really?
flat brook
i couldn't pull it off
torpid turret
I haven't attempted no boon yet
turbid needle
If I can take additional gods/boons, Thunder Dash Only is probably the second or third easiest dash build.
flat brook
If I can take additional gods/boons, Thunder Dash Only is probably the second or third easiest dash build.
the early rooms are super rough though, 17 damage per dash on epic is very low
unkempt pagoda
if you could get splitting bolt, zeus dash build would be fine
torpid turret
The rules I was using was, if it boosts family favorite then you can't take it. So chaos and bouldy buff is ok
turbid needle
For no Boon?
torpid turret
Yeah
turbid needle
Oh, Nemesis and the Rail would wreck that.
flat brook
if you could get splitting bolt, zeus dash build would be fine
i think you'd need splitting bolt + cold fusion, haelian yesterday had zeus dash with splitting bolt and it still dealt pitiful damage even at 0 heat
torpid turret
I could do without chaos for sure
lethal crane
cold fusion is useless if you keep dashingh
torpid turret
But hammers idk
lethal crane
no?
turbid needle
You're underestimating certain enemy's attack rates.
flat brook
cold fusion only adds damage, so no reason not to take it i guess
torpid turret
It doesnt expire when they attack
flat brook
adds damage as in more jolted procs
unkempt pagoda
at a certain point, poms would be pitiful on zeus dash. getting the double strike boon and pomming that would be much better
dense locust
Im late but i really hated the idea of darkness farming until i actually started doing it
torpid turret
It stays on for the rest of its duration
lethal crane
but if you keep dashing they keep getting jolted
dense locust
Then darkness farming became some of the most fun ive had playing hades
torpid turret
Always late weakdong
unkempt pagoda
or pomming jolted, which would be your other source of significant damage
dense locust
because you're free to take anything at all with the exception of anything that helps get darkness
flat brook
but the point is, good luck surviving early game with a 17 damage dash if you have TD
lethal crane
rank 3 dash / rank 3+ jolt / double strikes (chance or legend)
dense locust
and you end up doing these whacky builds and feeling like you've come so far from when you first started
flat brook
if you get the other boons then yeah, it's a breeze
torpid turret
Only issue is casts builds because you feel compelled to take more casts lol
unkempt pagoda
having extra dashes would help survivability a lot
lethal crane
well ofc if u do a dash build u gotta get that +2 or more
dense locust
I think the most darkness I ever got from Hades was 2450
turbid needle
If I ever get a second Bloodstone on Stygian Soul builds I stop.
dense locust
2450 or 2490
flat brook
If I ever get a second Bloodstone on Stygian Soul builds I stop.
i shall never stop taking bloodstones until i can perma cast
torpid turret
Yeah haha im always taking stygian soul
So if it offers another cast its over for the darkness grind
torpid turret
Yeah, flurry cast is great and all but damn stygian soul
flat brook
all i wanted was flurry cast + stygian
dense locust
i dont want to be bothered to collect my casts
torpid turret
Man I'd love flurry cast and stygian
lethal crane
i used hera twice recently and it's the only talent i switch ever
dense locust
you'll probably get an extra cast from Chaos along the way too
torpid turret
Because once you get 7 casts, hold cast button, game over
lethal crane
interesting
naive tusk
Now I'm indecisive, Schpoon D:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/708513916120203275/OE.png
lethal crane
demeter's punch?
naive tusk
Talos
turbid needle
Ares for Slicing Shot.
flat brook
if you have privilege status, aphro
lethal crane
i mean, if u use the magnet for pulling
i think doom is real nice
but aphro is better overall in my book
naive tusk
If she appears again, I will def go greet her 💗 🌹
turbid needle
I prefer Dark Regen.
naive tusk
I've taken Dark Regen and never looked back
lethal crane
I used to go with 3 per room but i feel dark gives me more benefit with bouldy
unkempt pagoda
dark definitely
turbid needle
Cthonic is nice for consistency and constancy but Dark is just so much more value.
lethal crane
yea
unkempt pagoda
turns multiple sources of darkness into practically full heals
lethal crane
i also used to play with priv-status but felt it limited my builds so now i'm going family favorite
unkempt pagoda
and even the small darkness gains give you a significant amount of healing
lethal crane
really like having more variety
turbid needle
Any Darkness trove will be at least a 50% heal if you need it, it amps up Bouldy's effectiveness, and Darkness in Wells and shops for heals.
lethal crane
oh i forgot about the shops
true true
i never use my gold on the darkness
but i probably should given the high cost of the next talents
turbid needle
I never did before Dark Regen.
unkempt pagoda
dark regen is supposed to be more inconsistent, but the thing about it is there's still enough consistent darkness sources to outheal cthonic in every way
unkempt pagoda
or chthonic could be buffed
turbid needle
Buff Chthonic Healing.
unkempt pagoda
possibly
turbid needle
Maybe.
unkempt pagoda
someone did the math for 3 per and it came out significantly smaller than dark regen
lethal crane
3 per should net you like 120-150 per run
turbid needle
Longest possible run is 71?
unkempt pagoda
somewhere in the 100-150s~
turbid needle
Maybe just under 75.
unkempt pagoda
each styx chamber counts
lethal crane
max styx would be 210 or so yea
i mean for styx its real nice no doubt
cuz u dont get troves there
but still
unkempt pagoda
can still get shops
turbid needle
Did they remove Troves entirely from Styx?
unkempt pagoda
yes
unkempt pagoda
hades wouldn't put treasure in there was the reasoning
lethal crane
makes sense
unkempt pagoda
there used to be troves in styx, there was actually a nice touch where hades wouldn't speak bc those aren't his minions
but they opted to cut them out entirely this update
lethal crane
i think it makes sense not having them there
its more of a quick dash spot for the sack
naive tusk
It keeps my greedy self in check so I am a bit thankful they removed them from Styx 
lethal crane
same!
so how about ruthless reflex?
I think it might fit me better
since i spam dash anyway
but not sure if it's gonna be fast enough
hmmm
cunning urchin
Ruthless Reflex is amazing, but you'll want Greatest Reflex on at least rare to get those extra dashes.
dense locust
My opinion on ruthless reflex is it's an overall greedy pick and can really wreck a run if you can only get 1 extra dash from hermes, but some builds let you get away with it so if you feel like you aren't great at using dashes economically, or if the build you anticipate on getting can get away with it, then go for it
Or, if you are playing below the level of heat you are comfortable at, take it just for the fun of stacking as much damage as you can
For my play style, the difference between 3 dashes and 4 dashes is massive during the hades fight
if my build is on the cusp of a win
if my build is really strong, it probably won't matter as much
cunning urchin
+50% damage and dodge is no joke, but neither is fighting EM bosses on FO2 with only one dash.
paper mountain
Hey supergiant discord, I just got the game on sale and I'm loving it, but I have a question
I'm getting to Elysium with somewhat consistency but the boss fight there feels like I need superhuman stamina to get through. I'm fighting for like five minutes and they're at half health, maybe. Are there builds or strategies I should be focusing on to mitigate that?
lament coral
have you managed to beat the game yet?
paper mountain
oh I don't see that happening for awhiel haha
lament coral
ok, which weapons do you have unlocked?
paper mountain
Spear, shield, and bow
lament coral
have you tried using the shield? You can block 100% of the damage while holding it up
paper mountain
i love shield and i'd like to "main" it (though i appreciate the design choices which disincentivize maining weapons)
though if anything i'm really NOT trying to extend the length of that fight. their health pool seems...massive
lament coral
focus on the bull 1st as Theseus doesn't move around as much
paper mountain
even when i focus on poms, my damage just seems pitiful
lament coral
do you have any keepsakes?
paper mountain
some
naive tusk
We could give you some suggestions depending on which weapon you are using
lament coral
also, how full is your mirror?
paper mountain
uh, not too full. i don't have the last row of talents unlocked. have 50% backstab though. and yes i would love some suggestions! i do prefer shield and I'm sure it has some good offensive options.
naive tusk
For the shield, Curse of Pain (Ares' special) is good. I like to take Sudden Rush (upgrade from a Daedalus hammer) to stay on my toes. Divine Dash (Athena's dash) is great defensively, and you could get lucky and get Merciful End (Athena & Ares' duo boon)
I also like to keep my hp as high as possible. If you can manage to get 200+ when you arrive at Elysium's boss fight, I'd say you will be healthy enough to survive
paper mountain
oh im guessing sudden rush decreases the cast time on shield's charge? yes that would be very good
yes i'm a BIG fan of deflect i think it exploits some fights
naive tusk
Sudden Rush makes the Bull Charge charge way faster
paper mountain
are finding duos just based on luck?
naive tusk
Which is why I love it ❤️
turbid needle
There are certain prerequisites, but beyond that, yes.
lament coral
alternatively, you could get Aphrodite attack with the double attack hammer
and pulverize the opposition
paper mountain
yeah i actually find knockback to be a downside in many situations (anything that complicates movement/makes me move more) so the double attack was all upside for my playstyle
i don't think i've ever had 200+ hp, i'll have to focus on that
lament coral
you get to Elysium without 200 HP?
paper mountain
it's funny when i started playing this i was comparing it too much to dead cells, which highly incentivizes "solving" it, but i really appreciate how hades puts you under no obligation to take no damage
yeah no and i'm taking every centaur heart i find. guess i need to max tough skin...
lament coral
you definitely want those hearts. 200 for Elysium is default
lethal crane
@paper mountain when I play shield I almost always go for the 2x attack and no knockback // i like having ANY strong attack based boon on my main attack (aphrodite / athena / artemis for crit) and i dash around while attacking nonstop
for that you'd wanna have + death defiances
like 2-3
lament coral
another thing I'd recommend is switching to the talent that heals you off darkness
it's 80% of darkness as healing
paper mountain
oh I have a question about death defiances! if you take the charon item which replenishes a use of death defiance, but you haven't used it yet, does it give you an additional stack?
naive tusk
It does not 
lament coral
and you won't be able to buy it if you're full on DDs
cunning urchin
No max HP from Darkness yet, I'm assuming.
paper mountain
oh that's good to know
didn't want to make that mistake but i'm glad the game prevents it
lethal crane
if you got at least 1 death defiance you can almost brute force that fight
just dash-attack spam
with any decent boon for attack
but ofc knowing the patterns help
and 200+ hp
paper mountain
i'll give that a shot. it's weird though i really feel like i'm taking every single option i can to boost my offense and my swings still feel like wet noodles on that fight
lethal crane
big tip - go into chaos gates
naive tusk
You could try to get Life Affirmation from Aphrodite too. It boosts your max health gains 💗
lethal crane
take extra damage there
paper mountain
yes im taking every chaos gate i can
im trying to focus more on learning patterns too. somewhat annoyed that minotaur seems to connect before his visual cue ends though
lethal crane
as for poms - they're nice until rank 3-4 on % based attacks
naive tusk
Learning patterns is oh-so important. You are on the right track!
lethal crane
the minotaur / hydra always give me a pain with their animation vs actual dmg
paper mountain
the one that i literally can't figure out no matter how much i look at it is skeletons. i think they have two attacks but i can't tell. the lunge is easy but they have this...other attack? i think? where they just crouch, barely, and then you've taken like 12 damage
cunning urchin
Spreading out your build too much can also result in lack of damage. When you try to make everything strong, nothing will be strong (most of the time).
paper mountain
yeah i try to maximize my builds to one button. attack/cast/special, etc.
usually attack bc im basic
lethal crane
basic is good i feel ❤️
paper mountain
anyway thanks for the tips, very helpful. i know more what to look for now 🙂
lethal crane
how many escape attempts in are you?
paper mountain
...10?
naive tusk
Anytime, mate! Feel free to ask around if you have more questions
lethal crane
if ur at around 10 and got to elysium ur doing great 😄
i think i got to elysium at 20+
but i really am bad ❤️
cunning urchin
Personally, for basic shield now I'd probably just make a cast build for easy big damage and use the shield mainly just to block.
naive tusk
Which casts would you go for?
paper mountain
yeah i'm curious too, i haven't had any success trying to optimize cast
lethal crane
poseidon or dionysos
paper mountain
haven't seen those yet, i'll be on the look out
cunning urchin
Yeah, you start with Trippy Shot (Dionysus) or Flood Shot (Poseidon).
They're already pretty strong on their own.
paper mountain
so does focusing on specific gods or sequences of gods increase your chance of finding a duo?
cunning urchin
And aim for the respective Duo Boon with Demeter to make them pretty OP.
lethal crane
but if u wanna make fights short - don't block, just mash dash and spam attack
you'll be fine
grid there's a hades wiki - it details each duo and its requirements
naive tusk
Blizzard Shot is awesome 💧 💙 ❄️
lethal crane
i suggest looking at it since its rather complex
paper mountain
i'll look at that now thanks
cunning urchin
naive tusk
They haven't reached Demeter yet 😅
lethal crane
huh? who?
naive tusk
Grid. They are still in Elysium
lethal crane
hehe yea true
naive tusk
So they don't have access to her yet
naive tusk
Ah yes 
cunning urchin
I genuinely didn't know there was a requirement for her lol.
cunning urchin
Ah gotcha.
lethal crane
welp, good luck me on heat 19...i took so many painful pacts
naive tusk
That rhyme though 
lethal crane
i need advice on easy heat progress
for some reason i went straight into overtime and EM
cunning urchin
Malphon + FO2 + EM2 + TD2 + anything that doesn't slow you down.
lethal crane
i can't TD2 elysium consistently i feel
i probably can
just need to actually skip troves
naive tusk
The blue hearts punishment with Malphon is also free heat
naive tusk
Oh 
lethal crane
on sword
but arthur works really well for me at these heats so far
maybe 32 won't work but all the way to 20 surely
cunning urchin
I did 18 heat yesterday, I think. 18 or 19. We seem to be always around the same max heat.
lethal crane
i'll try TD2 i guess for the free heats
yea we are ❤️
u got the fists?
they keep giving me every weapon with +20% except fists
and that's a shame cuz i love em so much QQ
u got it on* the fists
cunning urchin
Malphon, yeah.
lethal crane
changed my keybind for dash cuz my left hand started hurting, hope i won't mess this up at this heat haha
cunning urchin
I don't worry so much about Darkness at the moment. 2 persuasions is enough to clear for now anyway.
lethal crane
yea i mean, can always go for early keys if needed
since they don't compete with the boons
it's an easy choice if u need it
cunning urchin
Convenience Fee on 2 is free heat for me at the moment, too.
cunning urchin
Same.
warm tusk
i just got the game today made it to hades but i died 😦
cunning urchin
Get your revenge!
lyric path
Been a while since I played... what button pulls up the menu to spend titan blood?
naive tusk
The same one you use to open doors and check other stuff
lyric path
It doesn't open anything...
naive tusk
Weird. You should be able to if you stand in front of the weapon you are picking
cunning urchin
You select the weapon with that button, then press it again to open the aspect menu.
cunning urchin
Doesn't work if you don't have aspects unlocked on a new save. I think you need 1 clear to unlock them.
naive tusk
You need to have unlocked all weapons, then make an escape attempt for the Aspects to be unlocked
turbid needle
2 Titan Blood would be the amount from one clear.
cunning urchin
Ah right.
lyric path
That would explain it
naive tusk
Do an attempt and try again when you are back home
lyric path
👍
cunning urchin
Have you tried not dying to have more DDs?
lethal crane
😄
naive tusk
But Athena's DD icons are shiny 🛡️
lethal crane
I got to the final boss with 1 DD
and got him to 10%
I wanna cry
19 heat fml!
next time
i kinda suck at using athena's call anyway
but learned from this try
cunning urchin
Since Excalibur already has high HP and damage reduction, I think you're better off with a call that does damage.
lethal crane
yea for sure
it was an epic athena so i had to try it again
i'm not really a fan of that, but it can work
dense locust
the other alternative is make sure you grab every athena boon that she has no other option
lethal crane
oh! niiice
dense locust
FFA
rugged estuary
Is it really intended that artemis legendary is impossible to get for demeter, ares and dio cast because it's locked behind exit wounds?
I just learned about that and it's kinda disappointing
cunning urchin
Yeah, people don't like that very much. So I expect it will be adjusted in a future update.
turbid arch
@rugged estuary You can still get the legendary IF you find Exit Wounds before one of the afforementioned casts
But yeah, the current way is super frustrating and unsatisfying.
Almost as unsatisfying as bad Styx Room RNG on a speed run attempt.
fading valve
Hey, i dont know if this belongs here. I have not bought this game because im not quite sure about the game concept yet. Is Hades game concept similar to the game Deadcells if someone knows it. So you have to do a run through this dungeon and if you are through it, you can do it again?
rugged estuary
Yes, in that regard, they are similar.
Combat is very different though.
7 boons after tartarus, and 2 hearts to go with it
why cant I get a start like this when I play with underworld customs? Everytime I enable that, I get 1-2 boon tartarus runs
didnt even have the additional boon chance there either
steep pewter
You tell me that? I had a run with fists and don't get an attack boon until Asphodel.
cunning urchin
Best to get core boons like that asap with persuasion if you must, before the Gods offer tier 2 boons.
steep pewter
In this run I buy and take 4 gods I think, and any one of them doesn't had an attack boon.
just RNG, that's all
mossy breach
I wish you could control Zeus shield somehow. Just being able to stop it would be nice
flat brook
Black Metal's text says: "Your Blade Rift powers deal damage in a wider area." However, it doesn't affect Blade Dash's Blade Rift. Although I'm not sure if it's the same case with Engulfing Vortex or if Ares' Aid isn't affected either, I think all Blade Rift boons should benefit from Black Metal and Engulfing Vortex.
@naive tusk wait, i'm pretty sure i had a blade dash run one of these days and black metal definitely affected the dash's blade range
maybe since the dash is initially smaller than the cast, you don't notice any changes if the boon is unupgraded, but i had it on 45% wider and you definitely notice that it does affect the dash
cunning urchin
With so many up-votes and no down-votes, I think it's safe to say the effect is not very noticeable for a lot of people.
flat brook
or no one was masochistic enough to do blade dash only runs to notice it
but yeah i'd up either the %s or the blade dash's initial range
naive cobalt
I definitely remember the difference being tremendous, but I haven't played the game much for a while.
Last time I got both black metal +2 or +3 and the dash would've been months ago, probably
flat brook
yeah, black metal starts at 20% so it's not very noticeable, but i had it at +6 and it was definitely noticeable at 45%
pliant palm
@fading valve They are both rogue-lites, so it's the same kind of game (meta-progression, procedural generation, etc), but the similarities pretty much stop there. Having played both, imo Dead Cells is more grindy (in a bad way) and frustrating than Hades. + the gameplay is really different, Hades is more of a hack'n'slash, while you need to be way more careful and concentrated for Dead Cells (closer to how you would play a Dark Souls, i guess ? More punitive, needs good timings and reflex, things like that)
Everyone here would say that Hades is great (ofc, it's the Hades discord c: ), but just because you like Dead Cells doesn't mean you will like another rogue-lite.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Damn, just checked, haven't play at Dead Cells since april 8th of last year... Might get back to it one of these days
turbid arch
Isn't Dead Cells that 2D Metrovania kind of game?
grave compass
I gotta ask - how much damage can hades do in one swing
Was playing a real nice hera build, unfortunately low on dd after a room full of archers that just hit from every angle - but i ran into get the cast back and unfortunely miss time it to a swing, and like all my health just dissapeared
I know hes a god but one lapse in timing can be the difference between a run sometimes
neon fiber
Around uuuh 40 if you don’t have any of his casts lodged
In which case he’ll deal 80 because burning blood doubles his damage
grave compass
Ouch - i knew i was in for a rough time when i walked in with 76hp and one dd but he absolutely rinsed me this time 😅
neon fiber
I’m not sure if pact of punishment buffs affect him or not, but if they do you might want to factor that one in too
grave compass
Also i will still always say that his ability to summon enemies is his most powerful ability
His weird beams are easily dodgable and you can time the swing - but elysium archers running to opposite sides whilst also having to focus on that swing... 😩😩
naive tusk
@flat brook I had a run with Slicing Shot, Blade Dash and Black Metal. Only Slicing Shot's Blade Rifts were bigger 😦
But if Blade Dash is indeed affected, then it's disappointing that the range is smaller 😅
grave compass
Ouch - took a bad deadalus boon that time around
Has the spear flurry (triple dash strike but minus dash distance) with athena attack it actually did pretty well most of the run
Then i met hades and that dash distance was definitely missed 🤣
rugged estuary
hazard bomb is so fun
I never tried it with knockback before. The knockback distance is huge
regulary catapulted enemies way off screen
grave compass
Only used hazard bomb once and it was on an eris run...
Will have to give it a go next time 🤣
lethal crane
Interesting Magpie, that triple dash-attack is my favorite hammer, it's just 3 times the damage for me since i dash spam and attack anyway
just gotta get to the last boss with enough DDs! 😄
Favorite hammer for the spear that is
On that note, I wonder why that hammer needs a punish when the blade has 2x dash attack with 30% extra damage
that's basically 260% dmg vs 300% on the spear
Not the biggest difference, not 20% dash worthy
flat brook
it has 50% more hits so it's better with zeus, dio, demeter, etc
so it needed a downside
lethal crane
i don't see why you'd spear with those, except for Deme
flat brook
also the reduced dash range is actually nice for dash runs, helped me with my ares dash run
lethal crane
Well I can't say I mind it too much, except when I use dash to actually avoid stuff
Which is rare for me
flat brook
i don't see why you'd spear with those, except for Deme
i don't see why you wouldn't, especially if it's what the game gives you
lethal crane
cause you get so much more damage from raw percentage or crits
don't you think?
it's not like the rail
flat brook
the spear dash attack has a base 20 damage
zeus' epic attack would be roughly 80%
and hits more enemies
and dio is busted on everything except the bow
lethal crane
been a while since i played with those on any weapon except the rail or the bow special
but maybe i'll give it another go
i sure do like em
Oh I guess the fists too
HUH
I have been devaluing that zeus boon a lot
flat brook
yeah, i was as well, but after doing the math, it's good on basically everything except the bow attack
flat brook
oh, i guess that as well
flat brook
nemesis sword definitely wants % boons as well
lethal crane
I imagine chaos boons are additive with other % from gods
And then it doesn't matter if you pick aphro or zeus for any decent-fast non-crit attack
Man I should start going back to those on some weapons
I did have a nice fists run today with zeus
hmm
I guess on any sword you'd want percentages cause you can get the world-cutter 90 damage hammer
Shield might depend on the hammer but I opt into 2x attack when I can
so I guess it would work with those
flat brook
can gods offer an exchanged call boon? i don't think i've ever seen a heroic call outside of eurydice and rare crop
neon fiber
i
actually have no idea either
restive solar
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible
flat brook
i just don't recall ever seeing a call exchange
proud storm
i wanted dusa to help me but tisiphone was not having any of it https://i.imgur.com/pRwhBro.jpg
neon fiber
no qt floating heads allowed
only murder
actually wait, can you summon meg vs the other furies
do they react to it?
proud storm
iirc you cant
neon fiber
i never claimed to be a good person
weak moat
I'm curious if anyone has thoughts on Sack RNG? I do a lot of high heat runs (40+), and notice that when I do make it to Styx it's just crossing my fingers hoping for a 3-sack or less. Do we think that maybe decreasing the maximum possible sack halls depending on the Tight Deadline heat (or something of this sort) would be worth considering for the finished game?
tepid ridge
Speaking of Styx, I’m wondering how people like Sisyphus’ Shackle as a keepsake on the tunnels. I’m more partial to the defensive relics up there but I wonder if the Shackle would speed up rooms to any great degree.
neon fiber
yeah, styx is a great place for the shackle
sadly like you just said most people favor the more defensive ones like skelly's teef due to the area's boss
manic ermine
Styx pillars arent reliable enough for me to use shackle. Works well in Elysium however.
unkempt pagoda
i find elysium enemies kill themselves on traps way more often than other biomes
lament coral
well, there are more continuously firing traps there, so it's unsurprising
lyric path
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222935085316440065/708874816542867546/unknown.png
My first victory
And first time using the fists
Well, first victory against Hades.
neon fiber
gratz
lyric path
Thanks. Festive Fog is starting to be my fav ability
silk swan
torpid turret
https://i.imgur.com/tefVUVg.jpg Man the trove sure can pay out
mystic vale
Debating on levelling collar to 3 or trying Cosmic Egg.
atomic panther
EGG
mystic vale
Yeah, am thinking collar is kind of a crutch.
Does Meg go easy on you the first time? I crushed her then, haven't gotten past her since.
mighty ermine
especially once you get the full suite of keepsakes available, collar is just underwhelming generally
i don't believe her fight is different after the first encounter
mystic vale
I guess it's just the first time I came with Aegis and other weapons have had the purple circle since, so I haven't gone back with it.
I really don't like the fists, but if the purple circle comes up, I use them. I figure if nothing else I should train up all the weapons just to be as good as I can with them.
mighty ermine
ah, yeah, aegis is considered one of the safest weapons. i could see where you'd have an easier time with meg going through
yeah you'll definitely want to brush up on the other weapons. learning curve isn't too steep at least
mystic vale
As much as I dislike doing a Captain America impression, I can't deny it's extremely versatile.
Offence, defence, ranged, multi-target.
mighty ermine
it really is, for sure
mystic vale
I honestly think the multi-target should probably be taken off for balance purposes. I mean, the drawback is you can't fire it again during, but it still usually comes back in < 1.5s.
cunning urchin
There's no such thing as a crutch. Make the most of what you have.
mystic vale
Well, I'm just thinking artificially inflating my health at best makes the early parts of a run easier, and dissuades me from learning to dodge better. Ergo, in the long run, I'm better off with just about any other keepsake for the long game.
But I may be overthinking it. 😉
turbid needle
You're overthinking it.
cunning urchin
Definitely overthinking it. Just swish swish bang bang, get out of the Underworld.
mystic vale
But also, the egg is very nice.
turbid needle
Egg would be a lot nicer if Lights of Ixion were a little more frequent.
cunning urchin
You could use the egg and literally never see one Chaos Gate if you're unlucky.
turbid needle
That happened to me once in one biome and I don't think I've picked up the Egg since, at least 6 or 700 Escape Attempts later.
cunning urchin
It's pretty easy to get all keepsakes to level 3 eventually, anyway.
mystic vale
Hrrrm. What's the upside to Fists, anyhow? They're somewhat slow, require successive hits to deal decent damage, which involves standing still longer than I like. The special is short ranged, and not that impressive. Do they get some amazing upgrades or something? Or have some hidden effect like quadruple damage when cornering someone?
cunning urchin
Only Poseidon's is at 2 still for me, should be up soon though.
Malphon is faaaast.
turbid needle
They're pretty fast, best mobility in the game in my opinion, holding down the Attack button keeps your "combo" going and keeps enemies in stunlock.
cunning urchin
The special actually has really good range.
mystic vale
Seem about the same speed as default sword.
turbid needle
You know they're auto-fire, right?
mystic vale
Hrrm. I've been favouring the Aegis and bow.
Walk speed goes down while hitting someone and holding the attack, though.
turbid needle
Yes, that's why you dodge around enemies every 4-5 hits.
mystic vale
Granted, my current hurdle is Meg who intensely punishes standing still.
So maybe once I get past her more reliably, I'll like Fists more.
cunning urchin
If you start with Athena's keepsake and get Divine Strike, you'll have a very good time with Malphon.
I don't stand still much, I mostly dash-strike.
mystic vale
Got a start with Quake Cutter. Looks interesting.
cunning urchin
Basically all my Malphon runs are Divine Strike + Hunting Dash + Greatest Reflex (at least rare).
Unless I want to experiment with other things.
mystic vale
Divine Flourish, too. I detect a theme here. Special spam it is!
I also never remember to use Calls. I wish the bar for it were closer to the action.
dense locust
To get used to using calls
just use it whenever you remember it
even if it sucks
or is bad timing
cunning urchin
It's something you'll get used to, yeah.
Could just mash the button during fights, too.
dense locust
companions are also hard to get used to using
but if you just play a few for fun runs without stressing and make a point of using the call and companion
you get used to it quickly
its important to know you have that call or companion in your back pocket because it can save your life or save you from big damage