h1-builds-and-combat

[flat brook]

weakest weapon for me is the spear, it gets outclassed by every other weapon, except when doing achilles trippy shot

[restive solar]

I have a lot of issues with the spear

[cunning urchin]

I think it's okay if the charge somehow makes up for it. But the power shot imo is too weak, and the uncharged shot needs better range.

[restive solar]

the special of spear is just, underwhelming

[flat brook]

spear is just too hammer-dependent for me, even more than the bow

[rugged estuary]

dang, ares legendary is better than I thought
together with a greater ares call, it just melted hades
took half his hp bar, and would have taken more if he wouldn't go invincible at that point

[flat brook]

full blade ares is quite fun

[cunning urchin]

They're the two weapons with the longest startup and recovery on their attacks. They should maybe hit more like Excalibur does to make up for it.

[restive solar]

Haha, my lightning strike fists run just added on support fire

all the on-hit damage triggers

[cunning urchin]

Nice.

[flat brook]

support fire on rail is the dumbest thing ever, basically doubles your dps

it's my favorite boon for rail and fists

[dense locust]

for sure a welcome addition on those

[cunning urchin]

I force Athena first, then Artemis if I didn't already get her. Almost always get Support Fire by Styx.

[dense locust]

ive taken it on spear when i had flurry strike and it was procing pretty often

[flat brook]

tfw you play hades spear and can't get flurry strike

[acoustic nova]

spin2win

speaking of spinning, I find EM3 theseus much easier

especially with overtime, that damn spear is so fast I take way too much damage from it

wow that 3m speedrun

[rugged estuary]

https://i.imgur.com/AVJH1LM.png

casual 300 life in tartarus

[neon fiber]

Nice

How did you do it? Arthur and Dionysus

[proud storm]

erebus gate with a +50 hp heart maybe

and a chaos boon

[gray lintel]

on earlier the curse of longing just in general feels kinda weak too. it's like 25% of the last doom damage, isn't it?

doesn't feel worth it for a duo to me, especially when you can for most specials just apply doom again

[rugged estuary]

@neon fiber mainly excalibur and a +75 chaos gate

[flat brook]

life affirmation as well?

[rugged estuary]

nope. Never found it the whole run actually

[neon fiber]

oh nice

it is now your sworn duty to see how stupid it can get

you must do it for great justice

[rugged estuary]

https://i.imgur.com/myerpxA.png

this is how it ended

just shy of 600

can definitely go higher, no life affirmation and only one chaos boon for life.

[flat brook]

oh wow

that's a prime specimen of aspect of truck

[rugged estuary]

yup. crit hades for 7k 😂

[orchid parcel]

sometimes when I look on here i feel bad cause i've never beaten Lord Hades lol he always kills me, makes me play that much harder lol

[flat brook]

don't feel bad, everyone here got their asses kicked multiple times by hades

i still do sometimes

[spare zealot]

The game gets significantly easier as you unlock and put darkness into nyx's mirror

and theres contractor unlocks that give you huge benefits in the run

[orchid parcel]

Just gotta keep grinding away huh lol

[spare zealot]

Pretty much. Also make sure you get everybody's keepsakes by giving them nectar once

[tepid ridge]

There’s a definite difficulty spike when you meet Hades and for a while afterward but eventually his patterns start to become clearer

[spare zealot]

sometimes I just go ham on ||Hades|| if I go in with all my DD untouched

[earnest ravine]

Yeah, he killed me 13 times before I finally got him down. Just takes practise

[orchid parcel]

Yeah I did that, I have the keepsakes. I always seem to die about half way through his second health bar

[tepid ridge]

I usually use 1DD, 2-3 if I’m just getting lazy lol. Now if I could just remember not to waste all my nuke damage when the battle starts and he ||becomes intangible||. I find his first phase way more annoying, the most dangerous part of the fight is the first phase. The ||laser wheel attack|| is the most dangerous in the second phase until you learn how to get behind rocks real quick.

[spare zealot]

if ever in doubt, just grab the rail, get zeus attack and just go nuts

[orchid parcel]

rail is my best weapon but my favorite are the fists.

[spare zealot]

IMO the rail is a tad too powerful, but yeah, it's great

[lethal crane]

Rail is opop, I'm still having a hard time deciding which is my favorite...shield or fists I think (even though I use sword most often, RNG of the darkness 20% - but melee is melee for me).

My bow heat-ceiling seems to be around 8, I'm very sad...the rest is fine but that goddess-damned bow is killing me :((

[flat brook]

apart from spreadfire the rail seems pretty balanced to me

but yeah, spreadfire was my first victory, it's broken

[lethal crane]

I feel that the rail-bombs are also super strong, but maybe that's just me and my eris-build of stand on the bosses and face-tank em while bombarding

Also still didnt get past heat 15 or so

[spare zealot]

I'd be surprised if the rail doesn't get nerfed in the next big update, or boon specific nerfs

but hey, I like big numbers

enjoy it while I can

[delicate nimbus]

I haven't found the rail to be very op because the attack speed is so slowm

[flat brook]

if you want reeeeeeally big numbers you should check out a certain sword

[lethal crane]

Any pro bow-users that wanna give private lessons? I cannot accept any weapon limiting me so much...

I tried all 3 aspects at heat 8 and died early, I'm sure I could get to like heat 10 with it eventually but I wanna get that 32 heat on all weapons

ATM I'm considering leaving the bow until the next patch in hopes of a new aspect

[tepid ridge]

I really like coronacht, Zagreus aspect is probably the easiest to get used to but I’ll bet Hera gets the best numbers

[flat brook]

zag aspect > get artemis/aphro/demeter attack > artemis dash > only dash strike power shot
hammers: chain shot, triple shot, flurry shot, double shot

[lethal crane]

I just had a great boon-run with hera...dio casts and 4 shots...I just can't get the hang of it

The dash-strike thing is unclear to me

Not sure how people do that so fast

I can't aim or position well enough

[flat brook]

dash strike charges faster than normal attack

[full dew]

i just dash and attack over and over again in a pattern

[lethal crane]

my usual game-style is spamming dash and attacking fast in melee

[full dew]

i basically only dash attack with the bow

[lethal crane]

but I can't get the position and charge on the bow

[neon fiber]

yeah, hades takes a bit to get used to but once you learn how he moves it's mostly a matter of knowing when you gotta bugger off behind a pillar and pray you're a the right angle so his beams won't noclip through it and eat one of your DDs up

[tepid ridge]

Don’t ever run forced overtime with it and work on perfect shot muscle memory. Dash strike is great for higher level play and higher heat but I like setting up somewhere and firing off a power shot and some AOE in the form of a cast then booking it away.

[flat brook]

^ if you run forced overtime then dash strikes are your best bet, hence why artemis dash is better than athena's on the bow imo

haelian is streaming 45 heat attempts with the bow, you can see how he uses the bow, he's using the same dash strike technique i mentioned

[lethal crane]

I saw some people play with dash-bow but I can't for the life of me get the 'movement' required to make it work

[flat brook]

is it ok to link streams here?

[lethal crane]

I'll look him up

[flat brook]

you can see how he dashes once or twice, immediately charges and fires the powershot and repeats until everything is dead

you just gotta get used to the rythm

[lethal crane]

Yea but it's way too methodical/slow for my liking. I have the same issue with spear-special style. I can do it...but it's too annoying.

Oh well

I see him now

[flat brook]

well, rn he's using explosive shot so it's gonna look slower than normal

[lethal crane]

I mean, I look at this game-style and ask myself "why not do the same thing with the rail at 3x the speed"?

standing and loading the shots is just so slow

so you need to be perfectly positioned

[flat brook]

with the rail you gotta stand still as well to fire

what hooked me to the bow is the super satisfying power shot sound

[lethal crane]

you can dash-shoot spam

with the rail

can't do that with the bow

[flat brook]

if you get flurry shot, you can as well

[lethal crane]

yea

but that's 1 specific hammer

that's why i asked for it in the feedback

but no one likes having that as an aspect

[flat brook]

i mean, both are different weapons, i'd give it a shot since i used to hate some weapons but learned to like them later

[neon fiber]

yeah
the bow is a tad too slow for a quick paced game like hades

[lethal crane]

My only weakness right now is the bow, with the spear being a pain but manageable

[flat brook]

but no one likes having that as an aspect
i think ppl look for different playstyles with different weapons

[neon fiber]

which is why the first step of bow 101 is
don't use the bow and switch to exagryph

[flat brook]

if you want the rail playstyle, just play with the rail, no need to turn the bow into the rail

[lethal crane]

All I was suggesting is having an aspect

For weaklings like me 😄

I wanna be able to use all weapons

That's why I started this topic now

[flat brook]

so far 4th aspects have been even harder to play, i wouldn't hold my breath for that lol

[lethal crane]

Trying to see if I'm missing something

Sword's 4th is my favorite sword

like...i kick ass with it

extra hp, extra dmg

npnp

[flat brook]

but it's even slower than the bow

it's a matter of getting used to

[lethal crane]

yea but u can dash

and attack

• 40% dmg reduction if you fail

I'll have to see at heat 32+

but for now its holding well

[flat brook]

generally speaking arthur struggles at high heat since it's slow and melee

[lethal crane]

can always fall back to nemesis aspect

[flat brook]

even though there's that godlike dude that cleared 43 heat with arthur and stubborn

[unkempt pagoda]

i've heard horror stories of unwinnable runs with arthur and benefits package

[lethal crane]

Yea I can see it becoming a problem later on

[full dew]

you can dash and attack with bow

[lethal crane]

My goal right now, except unlocking a few more gem-items, is heat32 with all 6 weapons

[flat brook]

my horror story is fists + teleporting slow aura flamewheels...

[full dew]

you just dash in the opposite direction

[tepid ridge]

Do not speak to me of slow-aura flamewheels

[lethal crane]

You need to charge the bow for it to shoot

can't actually spam dash-attack

can methodically do that, slowly

[flat brook]

dashes have a cooldown

you attack in the cooldown

even with the rail you attack on the dash cooldown, you definitely don't 100% dash strike

[lethal crane]

I 100%

a bit less earlier

[tepid ridge]

I think that’s why when I like the bow I really like the bow. It’s very methodical

[lethal crane]

but eventually i get extra dashes

either way you can basically spam dash-attack with all weapons except bow

I think that's cool

that you can't

but one aspect, or some tips on fixing my gamestyle

would be nice

I'll try and be more methodical using it

[flat brook]

my best tip is: play different weapons differently

don't expect to just spam dash while holding attack while using the bow

[lethal crane]

that's the thing, I can play all weapons the same - except bow 😄

[tepid ridge]

I like Zagreus aspect, no need to get funky with it at first, just boost some damage

If that’s part of what you’re asking

[lethal crane]

I tried all 3, will continue trying ❤️

[flat brook]

^ definitely use zag aspect, adding more stuff will only confuse and distract you from the core bow gameplay

[lethal crane]

basically I got to heat 8 on bow using only the special

and some cast builds sometime

but the special is too slow at higher heats for the most part

animation wise

[tepid ridge]

Oh god no wonder you’re not having fun the special is either godly or just trash tier lmao

[lethal crane]

yea

[flat brook]

special runs are fine if you get the charged special, pretty bad otherwise

[lethal crane]

i mean, it worked fine for everything, but now at heat 8 i feel stuck

i don't do charged-attacks

that's the whole point

that's why i used the special

i don't use bull-rush on shield either

[flat brook]

i mean charged special hammer

[lethal crane]

yea i know

[flat brook]

i don't use bull-rush on shield either
woah what?

[lethal crane]

i'm never picking that

i use zag-shield and dash-attack

dash-bash and smash

all i do

[tepid ridge]

Shield rush wasn’t on my radar much till I started using Chaos aspect

[lethal crane]

yea i tried chaos lately

hated it 😦

anything that requires me to stand in place in this game is too dangerous for me

I've got very little gamer-skills

😄

[flat brook]

anything that requires me to stand in place in this game is too dangerous for me
shield literally makes you take no damage though

[restive solar]

chaos aspect is literally the most broken thing in the game

[flat brook]

that's the whole point of it

[lethal crane]

yea but you need to be positioned well

to take no dmg

and not be interrupted

[restive solar]

chaos aspect got nerfed and it's still the most broken thing

[flat brook]

i don't know what requires less skill than standing still

[lethal crane]

by anything

[restive solar]

I mean, just put your back to a wall man

[tepid ridge]

I like it less than many other people but it is pretty sick

[lethal crane]

i did

i put my back to walls

and they broke my guard

[restive solar]

that seems wrong

[lethal crane]

nah

they can break it

with bombs and such

[restive solar]

like man idk what happened with you, but anything that's in front of zag gets no-sold

[tepid ridge]

Many things just can’t be blocked because they are AOE

[lethal crane]

bombs go over it

since they shoot up

and other such aoe

[restive solar]

if the center of the AOE is in front of you you will block it

[lethal crane]

anyhow

that's a game of positining

[flat brook]

when you're in the middle of the bull rush you're invincible afaik

[lethal crane]

i got 0 positioning skill

[restive solar]

yes

[flat brook]

so just charging a little and releasing seems optimal to not getting hit

chaining bull rushes and dashes like you would with bow dash strikes

[restive solar]

bull rush is hilarious

Idk where he gets the momentum from

[lethal crane]

shield & bow require the same basic skill, charge/move/position

[restive solar]

if you watch the animation he doesn't take a step or anything

[lethal crane]

i don't have that 😄

[restive solar]

he just leans forward and suddenly slides

[lethal crane]

I use shield to bash faces

works well for me, my fastest runs are with shield cuz the hammers fit my style

ANYWAY

cheers lads ❤️

just gotta get even gudder

[restive solar]

always

[flat brook]

do tell us if the bow gameplay "clicks" for you

[orchid parcel]

when i started I tried the bow and thought it sucked but recently ive been using it more, its not as bad as i originally thought

[flat brook]

every weapon in the game that i deemed worthless, upon giving a couple tries, "clicked" for me

[lethal crane]

I think the bow has great potential, I just know my game-style and it won't click until I practice it for literal hours

Maybe if I go a whole day or two of just bow

and accept death

it's also not the style i enjoy for the most part

but that's fine

when I started playing people told me to just pick a weapon and finish the game with that

but I ended up being 'master of none' good with 4/6 and ok with 1

i treat the 20% darkness bonus as a must-have, so more RNG for me each run

kinda fun, usually

[orchid parcel]

Accept death lol anyone remember when they thought the first couple of sections was hard, now I just blow right through

[lethal crane]

dudeeeeeeeeeee don't get me started SHAME

10 deaths for each section

and 6 for styx

that's my start

36 to finish the base-game

[restive solar]

I remember thinking the furies were unfair and impossible

then theseus and the minotaur were impossible

then the final boss was unfair and busted

[lethal crane]

i almost gave up on that bull

xD

[orchid parcel]

Elysium is where I find I actually have to get serious, before that i just kinda mess with

[lethal crane]

for me i need to be serious at the hydra

[flat brook]

i used to think that flamewheels were impossible

[lethal crane]

cuz that lava is harsh

[restive solar]

everything's fun and games until the suicide chariots are teleporting and cloning

[flat brook]

now i'm sure of that

^

[orchid parcel]

true the Hydra definitley

[lethal crane]

omg i don't wanna get to suicide chariots with buffs

[restive solar]

hydra easiest boss

[lethal crane]

i barely wanna do them without buffs

hydra is easy, but lava is hard

for me

😄

[flat brook]

first time doing EM hydra was one of the biggest difficulty spikes for me

[lethal crane]

also sometimes he just charges while i dash and deals like 20 dmg

[restive solar]

oops

[flat brook]

apart from clearing the game for the first time

[orchid parcel]

I remember thinking Meg was hard, now I laugh at her

[restive solar]

hydra took me some time but that was because I was on a computer that lagged out trying to animate all the heads

[lethal crane]

EM hydra still loses me a DD usually

cause lava

[flat brook]

the real boss is not the hydra, but the lava

[restive solar]

the hydra has the most predictable movements, but the lava is annoying

[lethal crane]

should be a joke if you know how to position

but i don't QQ

almost wanna try this game with a controller or something

see if that's better

[flat brook]

everyone loses health to lava

no matter if you're starting out or beating 50 heat

it's a universal law

[lethal crane]

wish we could have click-to-move as an option

but that might be rough

[orchid parcel]

I always dash into lava without realizing it till im getting burned

[flat brook]

i dash into lava, then dash away into another pool of lava and take amplified damage

[lethal crane]

Shame I got SO FAR deep in the lava that I didn't see where I was today

[restive solar]

lava is the reason I love the post-dash movement bonus from hermes

[lethal crane]

oh man movement bonus kills me so fast if its surprises me, only ones i like are the consistent ones (plume / post-call)

[restive solar]

consistent movespeed is not very good

[orchid parcel]

I haven't been that far into the lava lol but I have dash from lava to lave

[lethal crane]

it's not very good but you get 50% dodge with it!

[restive solar]

can't dodge if you don't get hit

[lethal crane]

😄

[restive solar]

jk I'm not nearly that good

[lethal crane]

I mean, even if you are, go 2-3 heats higher and you won't be amirite?

xD

[orchid parcel]

lol

[restive solar]

hard to say rn for me

once I got past the first 40 hours, I started adding heat after heat with no issue

[lethal crane]

i love how every time i feel i got this game figured out it spikes again with difficulty

[restive solar]

I haven't had any problems for a while and I'm always adding heat

[orchid parcel]

I know!

[lethal crane]

with all weapons?

[restive solar]

I'm around 14 heat on my favored weapons rn, but that's not a ceiling. It's just the last run I did

[lethal crane]

yea that's about the same as me then

[restive solar]

my unfavored weapons I believe I can get that high as well, but I just haven't bothered yet

[lethal crane]

15 on my best, 8 on my weakest

but i want them BALANCED

or at least close enough

adding 1 heat every try anyway, with the ones i win on

god dang bow

[restive solar]

honestly it confuses me that you struggle with shield

[rugged estuary]

It took me a lot of failures, but i recently managed a 32 heat win. Never again, it is too much for me.

[lethal crane]

i don't struggle with shield, i struggle with chaos charge-shield

shield is probably my favorite

shield/fists

[restive solar]

but, chaos charge shield is literally the essence of what shield is

[lethal crane]

i just don't use the bull-rush

well i like the 10% dmg reduction more than the bull-rush

[orchid parcel]

I hate the runs you go through where you're like Russell Crowe from The Gladiator, and you make one little mistake and "da da da" back to the house

[lethal crane]

wish we could do captain-america playstyle without the bull-rush

What does the proxy want from you?!

[restive solar]

10 percent damage reduction is some weak stuff

I apparently use profanity more than I thought I did

[lethal crane]

i agree its weak, but i feel i deal more dmg spamming attacks rather than charge-throw

[restive solar]

You don't I really promise you you don't

[lethal crane]

i'm telling u how it works out for me 😄

[restive solar]

the chaos throw is a shotgun

[lethal crane]

i also tested it on skelly

[restive solar]

also, the big thing you might be missing

is getting doom on your shield

chaos lets you apply doom to the whole screen at once

[lethal crane]

could try that once yea

i generally dislike ares

[restive solar]

I don't like ares unless I'm focusing on him

[full dew]

i use the buzzsaw shield upgrade

[lethal crane]

i like zeus-aspect too

but i prefer attacking than throwing shields

[full dew]

you can play it like the normal one but your shield throw doesnt disable your weapon

[restive solar]

I have no idea how that's effective, zeus aspect seems to do almost no damage

[full dew]

if you get it to level 5 it does 32 per tick i think?

it solid

[orchid parcel]

also melting everything with poison fog or Demeters ice beams things I find help me for the cast

[full dew]

it will insta kill skulls

[lethal crane]

zeus can do nice dmg since it attacks fast, its good to apply stacks of debuffs

[restive solar]

imagine using demeter ice beam

[lethal crane]

i used ice-beam alot

until i started doing heat

and then it dropped fast

xD

too slow

[restive solar]

Ice beam does no damage, barely hits anything, prevents you from getting boiling blood bonus

[lethal crane]

yea

weaksauce sadly

its the same with ares' cast

both require artemis duo

[orchid parcel]

yeah well I still have yet to kill Hades lol

[lethal crane]

You'll make it SHAMUS

[restive solar]

would you like some advice on easy win strats?

[orchid parcel]

yes please

[lethal crane]

I vote - experiment with the railgun, either hammer style can work. Either go for more bombs/rockets or spread-fire for shotgun style. One of them will work out for you 100%

[restive solar]

How much titan blood do you have / what have you invested titan blood in so far?

@orchid parcel

honestly the first win is one of the hardest. Inexperience + unupgraded weapons is a rough place to be

[lethal crane]

imagine if they put p2w 'buy blood' option 😄

could net them some coins

buhahaha

but SGG are good folk

anyhow - off to bed

CIAO

[orchid parcel]

I need more titan blood I know that, I kinda spread it out amongst the weapons. All the spear is unlocked but Iv'e got 2 aspects of all the weapons except for the spear I have all aspects

bye

[restive solar]

So you've unlocked all aspects, but not upgraded any to level 2 or higher?

[orchid parcel]

I cant remember right off, I know I dont have any left over blood to spend

[restive solar]

ok, makes sense

blood is very hard to come by before your first clear, but you'll be swimming in it soon after!

[orchid parcel]

I swim in it when i get sent back to the house lol

[restive solar]

From an ease of gameplay standpoint, I'd recommend the shield right now

lmao true

and even though it's not fully upgraded, I'd still probably recommend the chaos aspect of shield

the shield helps a lot when you're not good at dodging, because you can block all damage in front of you

so whenever things get panicky, just put your back to a wall and hold up the shield until you can decide what to do

Doom is very efficient in this sort of strategy, so try to get that on your attack, your special, or both

because you can start just doing doom bombing runs through your enemies

hold up shield, charge through enemies (applying doom by hitting them), then hold shield again at the other side

go back and forth through crowds like that until they are all dead

[orchid parcel]

ohhhhh that opens up all sorts of things, I can see it now. Normally I try to get the dash that repels, cant remember what its called atm but Im gonna try that with the shield tonight,

[lethal crane]

athena's dash is still good with the shield, but the doom strat sounds promising

will give it a go tomorrow as well 😄

[restive solar]

you can still use the athena dash

this doesn't use an ares dash

[lethal crane]

aye

[restive solar]

you use Ares attack or special, or both

bull rush applies effects from your attack boon

so ares attack + bull rush = doom bombing runs

but yes, that's a good point about athena dash

@orchid parcel make very sure to get athena dash whenever possible

[orchid parcel]

oh I meant the shield with doom im gonna try, not the dash lol

[restive solar]

the repel dash is athena btw

but yes I understand

[orchid parcel]

but if I see the dash im getting it

thanks

[restive solar]

np

[spare zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/RoTMVLJ.png

[orchid parcel]

gotta go, i'll let you know how my runs go

[spare zealot]

dash build dash build dash build dash build dash build

I only got close to dying because I wanted to see if I could damage rush him at the end. I could

[restive solar]

Does concentrated knuckle break stacks when you dash attack?

[lethal crane]

Oh yea, I should try Ares-dash build, usually I do dash builds with Pos

[spare zealot]

probably

[lethal crane]

C-knuckle breaks on anything sadly

only way for it to stick is to actually sit and 5-combo

and then it resets anyway

[spare zealot]

I had rolling knuckle too so that wasn't too bad but I was barely punching anyways

[lethal crane]

yea

5x dash, 5x rift, extra dmg +1 per hit

should be mad yeet

[restive solar]

long knuckle or whatever its called is easily the best hammer upgrade for fists

Am currently playing Stygian Soul Aspect of Hera with Blizzard Shot

very, odd

[mossy breach]

how can you make aphrodite cast good? i find it very hard to use

[tepid ridge]

It’s pretty slow but the damage is great. You just have to wait for your moment usually

Let enemies go through their attack cycles before popping in for a shot

[flat brook]

how can you make aphrodite cast good? i find it very hard to use
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YytlfEzqryo

[snow cradle]

do keepsakes actually make that gods boon appear more or just increased rarity in the boons if you happen to find them. if i remember correctly the text now says rarity but i could've sworn earlier it was increased chances as well

[flat brook]

they just guarantee that the next boon you find is from that good, and increases the rarity of that god's boons

so no, other than that first guarantee, it's all the same as no keepsake

[snow cradle]

Thanks for the clarification

[restive solar]

I did an infernal gate with hasted, laser linked skulls

I don't know what I did to deserve such a thing

[magic dagger]

Just finished a run with divine protection, aegis, divine dash, and greater evasion, and I took a hit during the final boss fight on 2 heat
How can I ever wash away this shame?

[torpid turret]

@snow cradle It will still increase rarity of the boons from that god, so it's not exactly the same as no keepsake

[flat brook]

Trial vs patty when you have full DDs but only 30% hp?

[flat brook]

I present... the useless duo/legendary boons run https://imgur.com/WCciT4A
sea storm is the only useful one. Splitting bolt does NOT trigger off of sea storm
unhealthy fixation with the only weak enabler being the cast... i charmed hades twice during the entire fight
blizzard shot without poseidon's cast
sweet nectar at the last room in styx. gave me 1 extra lv only

2/10 would not try again

[round wolf]

Hit my new record crit for 3595

[turbid needle]

Nice!

What'd you use?

[round wolf]

Secret aspect of the Stygian Blade with Shaow Slash, Deadly Strike, Clean Kill, Heart Rend and a Chaos attack damage boon.

https://imgur.com/a/zCUhbvW

[turbid needle]

I can just see Zagreus pointing above and behind whoever he's looking at like he's Ken Griffey Jr.

[harsh aspen]

So, just starting to build heat and I ended up with a new overall PB with the Spear
https://imgur.com/a/BYnrPF2

[civic grotto]

I ended up with 2 pretty great runs, Athena's aid is a very, very powerful call https://imgur.com/gallery/MQjbQV9

[harsh aspen]

Hang on, I just had the dream with the admin office. How the heck do you unlock it?

[turbid needle]

Should be an item at the Contractor.

[tepid ridge]

@harsh aspen you buy back your permission to enter it with an item from the house contractor. Might take a run or buying an upgrade for it to pop up.

[harsh aspen]

Yeah, got it. Just unlocked it right now.

[torpid turret]

Lol i love dash only builds, theseus stood next to a wall and just gave up his life right there

[restive solar]

I’m assuming it was poseidon dash?

[torpid turret]

Yeah

https://i.imgur.com/zq2bzHP.jpg

So much fun

1 more fated authority and my profile is finally maxed out

[kindred bolt]

can i share my hades save file with another steam account or is it id locked?

[torpid turret]

You can

You just copy over the files

[kindred bolt]

awesome thanks

[cunning urchin]

It's that kind of run. https://imgur.com/a/axivzek

[torpid turret]

oof

[lavish crow]

F

[harsh aspen]

Okay, I kinda feel like the Guan Yu aspect is a bit on the weak side

Oh, and before I forget, I got my first clear with the gloves and ended up shaving off two minutes of my overall time.
https://imgur.com/a/GCOHx1O

[turbid needle]

Guan Yu is head-and-shoulders better than every other of Varatha's Aspects.

[cunning urchin]

Only the best boons. https://imgur.com/a/KaCHE0g

https://imgur.com/a/Si7hMSG

[cunning urchin]

I was killed by traps. I thought Excalibur's aura would work on the urns, doesn't look like it.

[lament coral]

which urns?

Elyisum ones don't grow back if the aura is on top of em

[cunning urchin]

Redacted ones.

Mean and green.

[west totem]

Bruh i cheesed boss 3 by using dionysus cast

should theseus really stay a ranged dude after the bull is gone?

[cunning urchin]

He uses ranged attacks when you keep your distance and goes melee when you're close.

[west totem]

makes sense

though i feel like his character would not like ranged combat

[cunning urchin]

I think changing their behavior after their partner is gone wouldn't be too bad. But I like the design of that fight regardless.

[proud storm]

oh to have typoon's fury lvl 3 and deal 1k points of knockback damage

[rugged estuary]

@flat brook how'd you get blizzard shot without poseidon - did you sell his cast?

@cunning urchin double edge on excal actually isn't that great because it still has the regular dash attack

@proud storm Have you ever gotten breaking wave in styx? It's hilarious. They hit a wall, the wave triggers, they get pushed into another wall from the wave, the wave triggers again.

They basically go ping-pong between the walls until they die.

[proud storm]

oh yeah absolutely

[flat brook]

@flat brook how'd you get blizzard shot without poseidon - did you sell his cast?
yup, i had underworld customs and the options were sea storm, poseidon special or cast... even though i had blizzard shot, i sold the cast

[neon fiber]

but why

[lethal crane]

For the mirror talent 'family favorite' - anyone knows if Hermes counts?

6% extra dmg per unique-god used in the run

[flat brook]

hermes does count, but chaos doesn't

but why
i had only 1 cast stone anyways, figured sea storm and the special were more important

[gray lintel]

@lethal crane it specifies Olympian Gods in the perk I believe which helps me remember things at least. Also why chaos boons don't count I think.

[flat brook]

i wish they'd change the text to just "gods" so chaos would be included... they're still family

[gray lintel]

well chaos did kind of ||yeet himself to a place infinitely away from everyone else, apparently|| so

||themselves?||

[flat brook]

sometimes i call chaos they, sometimes he, since the VA is a guy

but still... i want that 6% bonus

yeeting yourself doesn't mean you're not family

[young gorge]

Doesn't nyx refer to chaos as strictly them though?

[earnest ravine]

Everyone refers to them soley as they. It ain't really a debate.

[flat brook]

yeah, lorewise chaos is they

but my native language doesn't have genderless words so i'm kinda used to just saying he

[lethal crane]

I always thought of Chaos as a 'she' 😄

regardless of the lore ofc

[earnest ravine]

Their gender is they. There is not a debate on the matter.

[lethal crane]

I did not debate it

I'm telling how I percieve their 'they'

[neon fiber]

I’m
Not even sure if Chaos even has a gender

Biological or otherwise

[lethal crane]

Aye they shouldn't

[neon fiber]

Hell, Chaos probably even predates the first gendered beings

[lethal crane]

According to my perception of religion, greek or otherwise, chaos would be a feminine entity - but the game has its own lore and I like it all the same 😄

I also did not know a man was voicing chaos

[flat brook]

it's the same guy that voices zeus apparently

[lethal crane]

Well I was shocked to find out Aphro and Dusa are also the same lady...

My most favored goddess and my least favorite servant

[flat brook]

what do you mean shocked? dusa is even more beautiful than aphro

[lethal crane]

Dusa annoys me to no end xD

I would never progress her story if it weren't for the Aphro requirement

[flat brook]

wait

DARREN HIMSELF voices zag

[lethal crane]

Oh yea

[flat brook]

how did i not know that before

[lethal crane]

I think Aphro / Hades / Artemis are my favorite voice-wise

[mossy breach]

haha yeah i didnt noticed it until i saw the noclip documentary

[lethal crane]

Don't mind Eury either

[flat brook]

i feel like eury's talking and singing voices are too different

as well as orpheus'

[lethal crane]

Really? I get Eury might be a bit 'off' for you, but Orpheus seems spot on

I usually love Darren's work but I hate how Orpheus is such a fragile soul, and it comes out in his song too

Even the Zag-song is unmanly :((

@sullen valley - regarding your feedback, the Stygian Soul talent makes it so you don't need a refund for your bloodstones

[sullen valley]

Yeah, but if you’re using Poseidon’s or Hera’s Aspect, you gain nothing or less from Stygian Soul, unless you have Exit Wounds.

[lethal crane]

Sure, but what would a refund do? I already get my stones back

I mean, I am curious, not assaulting ❤️

Also - anyone got a clue why Zeus boon on bow special doesn't stack? I can hit an enemy 5+ times but only get the 1 lightening bolt. Kinda feels sad 😦

[neon fiber]

dusa annoys me
I’m sorry godling, but you did it to yourself

[lethal crane]

😄

[neon fiber]

🗡️

[lethal crane]

[sullen valley]

Infernal Soul allows you to begin with 3 Casts, but in order to regain them each time you use them, you must wait for them to dislodge or kill the enemy with the Bloodstone. Dislodging them quicker with Poseidon’s Aspect and upgraded Hera’s will allow the player to deal faster Cast damage.
Stygian Soul allows you to passively regenerate your Cast instead, restricted to a single Bloodstone initially, on a timer. Unfortunately, Poseidon or upgraded Hera’s Aspects would favor Stygian Soul less because dislodging a Bloodstone faster does not mean you will attack faster, instead your enemies will be debuffed less often when using those Aspects.

If you allow Poseidon’s and Hera’s aspects to grant Stygian Soul players an instant refund upon Dislodge conditions, the same effect can be gained when you may be using Infernal Soul

[cunning urchin]

I think Aphro / Hades / Artemis are my favorite voice-wise
Naming them alongside Lady Aphrodite as your favorite. Blasphemy.

[lethal crane]

From my testing, Posi cast->dislodge is like 0.5 faster than my natural 3 sec recharge

I need something stronger for them to be viable for me to use with Styg-Soul, but maybe that's just me.

Then again I feel like we can have 2-3 aspects in the game that fit 1 talent over another, so don't mind the hera/pos aspects right now, but any upgrade is good for me since I prefer Stygian Soul.

I don't mind swapping talents for certain builds I wanna do, I like it

[cunning urchin]

https://imgur.com/a/Podg1wa

[lethal crane]

I got all the talents unlocked and maxxed out on both sides of the mirror - except the rerolls ofc

[flat brook]

imo posi aspect is fine since you get +50% cast damage

but i really want hera to be changed, the reduced time to dislodge is actually detrimental considering boiling/abyssal blood

[lethal crane]

I would love to have hera aspect as a fast recharge

1st point can be 2.25 sec like max-hermes

then lower all the way down to 1.5 or so

or maybe 1st point 2.5

[sullen valley]

Godling, currently the dislodging part of either Hera and Poseidon’s Aspects don’t do anything for Stygian Soul,

except remove the debuff from enemies faster, without giving you back your Cast

[cunning urchin]

Only helpful potentially with Exit Wounds.

[sullen valley]

And that ain’t too common, unless you went for Artemis’s cast

[lethal crane]

Yea but a refund on Posi won't do much good really

[sullen valley]

What I’m saying is that those Aspects are pretty good with Infernal Soul, but almost useless or slightly detrimental for those who use Stygian Soul

[lethal crane]

It's an OK solution, but nothing as great as the 3-cast style

Anyhow, Posei might be good enough, did not play with it

I like the idea of not having to run around collecting them or dislodging them

But hera does need a fixing

Faster regen sounds good, no Piorda?

[flat brook]

problem with faster regen is that it's just hermes, it's very unoriginal

[lethal crane]

It will be a better hermes!

[flat brook]

and no other weapons (excluding zag aspects) directly borrow effects from specific boons

[lethal crane]

But yea

Hmmmmmmmm

Well if you play Hera you should play for the triple burst anyway I guess

Same for posei really

triple+

I wouldn't mind it if Hera auto-loaded the cast for Styg-Soul

[cunning urchin]

Poseidon Aspect with Stygian Soul is fine.

[lethal crane]

I'm sure it's fine but it should be stronger with triple cast

Picking them up is annoying still ofc

And having to dislodge with special

I wanna try a posei run now

Best cast for that?

Except hunting blades ofc

I guess I'll go full dio

double duo if possible

[cunning urchin]

1-2 extra casts from Chaos makes it amazing. No need to pick up ammo, especially no need to run onto magma to pick up ammo.

[lethal crane]

Aye

[sullen valley]

The weird thing with Poseidon’s and Stygian Soul though, Nyaan, is the fact that when you dislodge, it’s meant to give you a faster damage output. It does the reverse if you use the Aspect’s main feature with Sty go an Soul.

[lethal crane]

Which cast should I go for? Dio or another? 😄

With Posei

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but sword special is slow and leaves you quite vulnerable anyway.

Get Trippy Shot or Flood Shot. Both fun.

[lethal crane]

Aight

[cunning urchin]

Well.

Ice Wine or Blizzard Shot.

[lethal crane]

yea ofc

if you go trippy wouldn't 3 shots be better though?

cuz they dont get stuck anyway

hmmm

guess not cuz faster dmg output overall

[sullen valley]

Honestly, Stygian + Poseidon seems most viable with Artemis..

[cunning urchin]

1 extra cast for Stygian Soul means you can spam Trippy Shots without a break pretty much.

[sullen valley]

Fully upgraded gives you a lot of bonus Cast damage

[flat brook]

stygian posi is fine, just get a free +50% damage for your trippy shot

[sullen valley]

If you try to get Fully Loaded and Exit Wounds...

The +damage part is fine, yeah, but I was focusing on how Poseidon’s Special can dislodge Bloodstones.

[cunning urchin]

if you go trippy wouldn't 3 shots be better though
You can't dislodge Trippy Shot anyway since it doesn't stick. So you'd have to wait for Festive Fog to pass.

So you can cast more frequently with Stygian Soul.

Happy I did that run under 14 min earlier. Even if it was 13:59.20 lol.

[flat brook]

no "even ifs", under 14 is under 14, congrats

[sullen valley]

I think Artemis' Exit Wounds would be pretty effective with Stygian Soul, tbh. With or Without the ability to dislodge your Casts.

The amount of Bloodstones you can put into Hades before a single one expires can be up to several without that Hermes Cast Boon.

[cunning urchin]

Thanks!

[flat brook]

i'm kinda starting to dislike unhealthy fixation... after the charm ends, hades seems to spin at lightning speed

[sullen valley]

He do though

I'd prefer Unhealthy Fixation if it's a rapid-damaging attack, like Demeter's or Chiron's Aspects

The Rapid Fire Rail works too

[flat brook]

https://i.imgur.com/vIyTkuC.jpg

chaos shield also works well

[sullen valley]

Fair!

[flat brook]

this was a "you shall not move" build: demeter attack (idk the slow %) + 20% from killing freeze + 31% from numbing sensation

and unhealthy fixation which seems to make them wander around slower than usual

on that note, does anyone know how much does chill slow enemies?

[sullen valley]

Pft, what a strange synergy to know.

[cunning urchin]

Chill Victim is slowed by 4%. Effect can stack up to 10 times. 8 seconds

[flat brook]

ty

where did you find it? i couldn't find anything in the wiki

[cunning urchin]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[flat brook]

so it was 40% + 20% + 31% = 91%

i'm assuming it stacks multiplicatively like everything else though

the wiki is outdated, isn't it? it says weak reduces damage by 50%, isn't it actually 30%?

[cunning urchin]

That's what I've heard here for Weak. But Chill was added relatively recently, so it should be up-to-date for that.

Patch notes mention no changes to chill other than bug fixes.

Oh right, it was nerfed when Demeter was added. But yeah, Chill hasn't been changed since.

I've updated Weak on the wiki.

[lethal crane]

Yea OK, had a blast farming some darkness with Posei now 😄

https://i.imgur.com/oy2k0gp.jpg

Madness

Honestly I feel its easier to accomplish this kinda gameplay with the railgun though

60% extra damage + 5 rockets

no need to shoot for dual boons or extra bloodstones

But this was well worth investing titan's blood into to have some fun

[sullen valley]

"Ice Wine" and "Scintillating Feast"

How'd that go?

[restive solar]

I’ve had that combo before and it’s disgusting

[delicate nimbus]

Ice wine is so good the damage is instant and really strong.

[sullen valley]

What about both together?

[flat brook]

it works as expected, lightning strikes from the "cloud" (which becomes more of a blizzard with ice wine)

[restive solar]

Ice wine turns trippy shot from one of the best casts into the best cast hands down

[lethal crane]

both together is devastating

but i ran it on 0 heat to have some fun and darkness with poseidon aspect of the sword

it was sick 😄

[harsh aspen]

Maaaan, these fast clears just boggle my mind. I'm barely getting down to half an hour and yet some peeps are clearing in half the time.

I guess clear times get faster the more you upgrade Talents

[weak rivet]

My faster is 20 minutes rn

Idk if i could go even faster

Tartarus and Asphodel is GAS GAS GAS but Elysium is slowwww

[cunning urchin]

Mirror talents and house contractor upgrades help a lot. But for fast clears eventually it's more knowing what build you want and forcing it or when to let go off it and go for something else that's effective.

Knowing attack patterns and how to use your aspect effectively, so you know when you can go in and be aggressive and when you actually do need to back off.

[harsh aspen]

Makes sense, but RNGesus also plays a key factor in reward spawns

Oh, and I just completed a run with the railgun. Entered the sub-30 club.
https://imgur.com/a/1s7FAqe

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. Not that much RNG. Most strong, consistent builds have a very small set of core boons they rely on, and everything else is flexible.

For example, I can clear consistently within 15~18 minutes with Malphon just forcing Divine Strike in Tartarus and then Hunting Dash in Asphodel, unless I already got it in Tartarus as well.

[harsh aspen]

Malphon being the gloves, yes?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[harsh aspen]

Incidentally, my last clear with it had Divine Strike and the range extension from the Daedalus Hammer

[cunning urchin]

The rest is knowing what hammers to pick, what to get from Hermes, what to do with other boons you get. So I'll adjust each run a bit to that.

Oh yeah, Greatest Reflex is also a must.

[elfin ledge]

yes

so much yes to that

[harsh aspen]

Yep, agree there. The more times you can dash, the better.

[cunning urchin]

So Divine Strike, Hunting Dash, Greatest Reflex. That's the core of my build really.

Ideally Deadly Reversal too, but I get that pretty often. It's not strictly a requirement anyway.

Sometimes you find a nice call that you can spam instead or something, and other times you get both.

I also try to make sure I finish fights right at the exit.

[harsh aspen]

BTW, in my screencap above, it's kind of a rough build but it worked out. I was actually spamming Cast, Special, and reload like mad since I had Support Fire.

[cunning urchin]

Do you have all the keepsakes?

[harsh aspen]

Not yet. There are some Gods I haven't given Nectar to.

[cunning urchin]

That will definitely help speed things up because you get a lot more control of the run.

[harsh aspen]

Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus, and Demeter, to be specific, after scanning the Codex

[cunning urchin]

When I use Exagryph, I start with Zeus's keepsake to get Lightning Strike asap. The common one alone already doubles your DPS.

My clears used to be more like your speed too anyway, and with some weapons definitely still would be. Like, I'm super slow with the bow lol.

[harsh aspen]

I was considering my next run to start with Coronacht and Adamant Arrowhead

[cunning urchin]

That's probably a good idea. From what I hear, Hunting Dash is a must for fast bow clears.

[novel prawn]

there's a daedalus upgrade for the sword, I forget its name, but it gives 2 hp lifesteal on attacks. that's when I finished my first clear ever on hades, and it felt easy compared to all my previous runs. The only boss that gave me issues (as in triggering my revives) was the last boss. Other than that, everything up to that point felt way too easy... not sure if maybe this daedalus upgrade is too op... then again, maybe it's more 'balanced' at hell mode?

[harsh aspen]

Well, I'm off to try it. Just signed the Pact for Heat 3

[novel prawn]

P.S.: Barging in, sorry

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

Cursed Slash is fine really.

(That's the name.)

[novel prawn]

ok

thanks

[turbid needle]

Hunter Dash is a must for Zag Coronacht clears.

[elfin ledge]

what companions you use for speed clears?

[cunning urchin]

I don't think the companion matters that much. I wouldn't call my runs "speed clears" because I'm definitely not a speed runner. But I've just been using Battie and in my last few runs Shady.

I think if you have Convenience Fee on 2, Shady is definitely the best option.

Shady is free 250 healing and 150 obols over a run.

[naive tusk]

Shady & I are BFF until I max the Mirror

[grave compass]

When you have the perfect Aphro Shotgun (posideon sword) build gioi g but FO elysium completely recks you

Was in elysium in like 10 mins which is fastest ive ever seen

Then long spears and archers just kept getting damage in from nowhere i swear

[sullen valley]

How broken would any acquirement of Darkness be with that +5 max HP as opposed to just room rewards?

Like, Bouldy, Sisyphus, Charon Wells, Troves...

[cunning urchin]

Sounds unnecessary.

[sullen valley]

[versed tide]

darkness is useless

it's just there accumulating

[sullen valley]

lol

[versed tide]

still hoping for a resource rework at some point

[flat brook]

name checks out

[sullen valley]

double lol

[cunning urchin]

Takes quite awhile to max out the mirror.

[grave compass]

I prefer darkness to gems though

Lil bit of healing never hurts

[versed tide]

darkness is the optimal path

always

[grave compass]

Especially after a chaos boon - they're practically free heal boons

[versed tide]

+5 hp > 20 gold

the only situation where you don't go darkness is if you have Elite darkness vs Normal gem rooms

[grave compass]

I remember the first time i took an elite resource room and i was so disappointed

All the risk for no reward 🤣

[turbid needle]

I've done that to get FA charges.

[versed tide]

elite should double the actual reward 10hp/40g

[turbid needle]

And 2 rerolls?

[versed tide]

sure

[naive tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/708037368824725585/OE.png

3rd time ever I play with Aspect of Achilles and this is how my run starts. Picked Lightning Rod for the lulz

Speaking of never playing with AoA, Artemis gave me a juicy dialogue so there's that too

[lethal crane]

Can't play the bow to save your life? Not to worry, just dash for the win

https://i.imgur.com/sbiTevT.jpg

Also...can I please get twin fists +20% darkness? I hate that they're at heat 6...

I love them so much ❤️

[naive tusk]

OK, I take back the "Picked Lightning Rod for the lulz" bit. Just cleared an Erebus room in less than 30 seconds lol

[turbid needle]

Alright, Lightning Rod got its one Chamber, it's gonna sit out the rest of the Attempt.

[lethal crane]

xD

[sullen valley]

...Oh gosh, imagine a Chaos Curse where your dash distance is inconsistent

[turbid needle]

We used to have a Chaos curse for the Dash.

[sullen valley]

From up to dashing like 0 units away to dashing across the room okay maybe not THAT far but like you know

[turbid needle]

Admittedly, it was damage which was absolutely awful, but I think we've learned our lesson to not mess with dashing.

Okay, I just finished a Chamber and despite the prompt to pick up the boon appearing, I could not pick up the boon until I moved slightly closer. Please revert whatever change happened between Long Winter and Nighty Night concerning item pick-up range.

I've already posted about this in feedback so it doesn't need another entry there, but it warrants reiterating.

[gray lintel]

weirdly posideon dash deals okay damage.

[lethal crane]

Deals amazing dmg

Compared to other dashes that is

It's an instant pick for me if it shows up, no matter what kinda run I'm going for

[turbid needle]

Your suggestion is already in Controls.

"Attack at Cursor."

[lethal crane]

I'm blind as a mofo, I even have it turned on but sometimes it fails so I asssumed falsely

[grave compass]

Ayyy - no heat as i'm still getting used to Hera Bow but just wrecked shop with Blizzard Bow
One of the few times i've seen armoured giant rats go down so quickly - cleared styx for fun too as all the bosses took avout 10 seconds each 🤣
https://imgur.com/uv9kfGx

Gonna go back and try the Aphro Shotgun build again tomorrow too but i think it best to leave it for the night on a positive rather than get frustrated by my bad movement in elysium

[lethal crane]

Is there any reason to give nectar to bouldy? oO

I doubt it... but gotta make sure

xD

[naive tusk]

Bouldy sometimes gives good buffs. I once got a 5% damage reduction buff from it, as well as some damage boosting buffs

I always gift some nectar before talking to Sisiphus in case it gives me an obol buff

[lethal crane]

Oh for real?

Also...why can't I purge demeter's +healing boon? I figured any boon would be purgeable with the customs heat turned on

So weird

[naive tusk]

You mean Nourishing Soul not appearing at all?

If you meant the boon appearing in the purging fountain, then it's just random choice 😅

[sullen valley]

“A solid hit.”
-Theseus, upon dying.

[tepid ridge]

After fighting him so many times I find myself accidentally replying “oof that was a good hit” or something similar when he trickshots me with the spear

[sullen valley]

Oof

Don’t do that

[tepid ridge]

But I never respect him when Asterius throws him at me and hits. We don’t speak of that

[sullen valley]

GAAAAWWWW [Bleep].

[neon fiber]

asterius wot

[sullen valley]

You know what’s worse than getting cheated out of 2 good boons?

[turbid needle]

3?

[sullen valley]

Gwttting offered about like 3 really good boons at once

At Styx

[neon fiber]

you know what's getting cheated even harder when it comes to boons?
getting exclusive access on your last door on styx

[sullen valley]

So uh, Poseidon Stygian Soul. And the double-hit Dash-Attack thing. What do I get:
Hunter Dash
Pressure Points
Exit Wounds

[turbid needle]

Pressure Points or Exit Wounds.

Aspect of Poseidon, right?

[sullen valley]

Yeah, but I also have Aphrodite attack, so I also do a scary amount of damage also because of the Dash-Attack hammer

It ain’t much, but I can see the boon for getting Exit Wounds with Poseidon...

...Bah, Exit Wounds it is

[neon fiber]

poseidon cast lodges bloodstones?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[neon fiber]

wait i thought it was different

[turbid needle]

Demeter, Ares, and Dionysus do not lodge.

[neon fiber]

for all my almost hundred trips down the house i have never gotten his cast

aye, i noticed those but i never really got to use posi cast for whichever reason

and i do love using poseidon mind you

[sullen valley]

I like how there’s a distinct sound between dealing minor damage and dealing lotsa damage

Because I can instantly tell that as soon as I pressed Q (Aphrodite attack, Curse of Longing, Ares Special, AND Exit Wounds), something happened

RIP Giant Vermin number #############

Oh yeah, and Privileged Status

[grave compass]

Exit wounds on poseidon sword is a dream I still have yet to make reality

One day

[sullen valley]

Heeh

Hm...save Shady for Hades because Healing

Or use Shady on both Satyr Tunnels because Obol

[turbid needle]

I call this build "I like to stand next to my dad."

https://gyazo.com/20485f3d0c6e6f45843bffb5aed5d3ba

[sullen valley]

“Adamant Rail”

What am I looking at

[turbid needle]

Hey.

[sullen valley]

What is this

Pffffff

[turbid needle]

Eris helped.

[sullen valley]

looool

Aight but use last Shady on Satyrs for gold or Hades for HP

[turbid needle]

He lasered twice in a row in phase 5, so I just threw everything on top of me and pressed Call and the game did the rest of the work.

I did.

Oh, you're asking.

[lethal crane]

You mean Nourishing Soul not appearing at all?
@naive tusk -- it does not appear at all, i had 3 boons total and only 2 showed

seems you can't purge that one

[turbid needle]

Does Ocean's Bounty appear in Pools?

I always save one use of Shady for Hades.

[sullen valley]

Hm...

OW

[turbid needle]

If you're rocking 3+ DDs, feel free to use it for the Obols, but it's only 30 Obols now, compared to 60-ish HP per drop.

[naive tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/708061290903502848/OE.png

[sullen valley]

Giant Bother did the Cluster Bomb thing, threw all the bombs on itself, so it instantly took away 100 HP

[naive tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/708061290903502848/OE.png

Well, it seems the boons I got in Tartarus ended up being the MVPs. I cleared rooms so fast without intending too XD

[turbid needle]

Electric Shot with Infernal Soul and Achilles!?

[neon fiber]

it just works™️

[unkempt pagoda]

160 electric shot dmg???? 👀

[turbid needle]

Is that why the run took 45 minutes?

[naive tusk]

I was dealing like 500+ damage to multiple foes in rooms 😅

No. I just waste too much time looking at boon screen and dancing around in circles

[sullen valley]

Thats even more jank than Schpoon’s build

[naive tusk]

If you notice, it always takes me 30+ minutes in all my runs because of that

Tbh, if someone like Schpoon had this build, they would have cleared it really quickly

[turbid needle]

Hey, I've tried that before.

Electric Shot keeps trying to free itself so I gave up.

I tried it with Stygian Soul and it's a little less painful.

Achilles is awesome, don't get me wrong, I once got a Vicious Cycle Hunting Blades run with multiple Bloodstones and the game might as well have been empty at that point because they were starting at 40 damage.

[naive tusk]

I'm trying out different stuff like this because I like fresh ideas. I was not disappointed at all with this run

[turbid needle]

Hey, if you have fun that's what matters. 👍

[magic dagger]

https://imgur.com/6QIZLaZ

I too enjoy standing next to my dad

[acoustic nova]

I'm just bad with the rail

had an artemis fire build, got my ass kicked with ot2

which should be pretty much impossible yeah?

[flat brook]

is lightning rod sleeper OP? why are there so many runs with lightning rod today

[eternal stag]

controversial opinion

lightning rod has always been good

[flat brook]

i always use stygian soul, so the only time i ever got lightning rod was for the prophecy... so i can't really tell if it's good or not

[acoustic nova]

I like it, but it really works for me with a lot of bloodstones

and if you have a lot of bloodstones it's better to shoot them rather than let them sit

unless you have demeter cast for some reason :v

[flat brook]

i'm at least sure that it is better than curse of longing

but that's not saying a lot

[turbid needle]

Greater Recall is without a doubt the best Cast boon in the game for Infernal Soul, and it effectively disables Lightning Rod.

If the lightning struck enemies lodged with a Bloodstone/it dropped occasional lightning bolts on non-lodging Casts it would be better.

[flat brook]

^ ooh that's a really neat idea actually

[turbid needle]

Now the problem with the second half is that you're overlapping with Scintillating Feast.

[flat brook]

and perhaps an additional strike when it dislodges so it doesn't anti-synergize with exit wounds

[acoustic nova]

doesn't it lightning strike after it pops?

at least once

[turbid needle]

It does, when it's on the ground.

[acoustic nova]

aaah damn

[flat brook]

perhaps have it spawn the lightning balls instead of the bolts like scintillating, to diferentiate them

[acoustic nova]

would've at least been nice for it to do a cast just as it exits

in addition to exit wounds, could be cool

[flat brook]

other duos i'd like to see changed are curse of longing, lightning phalanx, vengeful mood and perhaps spent spirit

[neon fiber]

yeah, zeus/artemis needs a rework

[acoustic nova]

I like vengeful mood

[neon fiber]

vengeful mood can be good but you need to stack several gods at once

[acoustic nova]

yeah

with 3 gods

[neon fiber]

since afaik it works with gods outside Ares and Zeus

[acoustic nova]

yep

you can get a nice damage aura going

[turbid needle]

Lightning Phalanx is fine, it just needs bouncing to get fixed (which would also improve Electric Shot, Aegis Throw and Multi-Skewer).

[acoustic nova]

but it also triggers once every 3 seconds, so it's not super strong

[flat brook]

my gripe with vengeful mood is that it's just "neat, i get some extra damage", you know? it's just bland

[turbid needle]

3.5 seconds.

[acoustic nova]

it is good at putting statuses on enemies

range is... kind of bad though?

[neon fiber]

lightning rod though
it's not really useful and doesn't work if you take a certain talent

[turbid needle]

Vengeful Mood was super strong on release, 2 seconds and it procc'd Broken Spearpoint, so you spend 1.5 seconds Impervious and there was a half-second window you could be attacked.

It at least doesn't spawn when you take Stygian Soul.

I'd like to see a return of Freak Accident: Lightning bolt on crit.

Now that it's fixed Vengeful Mood could use a time drop.

[acoustic nova]

or extended range

I use it for the debuffs

[turbid needle]

Spent Spirit is fine, that 30% is monster defense and I'm shocked every time someone suggests it needs a buff.

[flat brook]

even if it was like 1 second it wouldn't be very useful, i feel like

[acoustic nova]

try and get aphro for the weak

[flat brook]

does it activate all the revenge boons you have or one of them at random?

[turbid needle]

All of them at once.

[acoustic nova]

all of them

[turbid needle]

You can have up to four Revenge effects (still crossing my fingers for a Festive Fog revenge boon, make Black Out even nastier).

[flat brook]

perhaps if it triggered revenge when the enemies attack, so revenge becomes kind of like jolted

[turbid needle]

You still trigger it whenever you're hit.

[acoustic nova]

which gods give you revenge? Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite, Athena

anyone else?

[turbid needle]

Nope, just them for now.

[flat brook]

only those afaik

[neon fiber]

why not have artemis/zeus depend on support fire instead and have it either bounce like chain lightning or drop thunder on hit

that would be neat imo

[acoustic nova]

merge support fire and chain lightning effects

somehow

[flat brook]

i feel like a duo depending on a t2 boon would be very obnoxious to get

[spiral wharf]

gotta say this doom mechanic is pretty sweet

[turbid needle]

Curse of Longing needs a rework, no doubt.

[acoustic nova]

I've been going doom ares a lot more recently

[neon fiber]

doom is nice at low heat/chambers but it kind of falls behind unless you take the athena duo

[acoustic nova]

^

[neon fiber]

then it becomes ridiculous again

[flat brook]

do they plan on adding duos so that every god combination has one? or are some combinations not gonna have a duo at all?

[spiral wharf]

well I'm on my third run so haven't seen those yet, brought me to elysium tho

[neon fiber]

don't all gods have duos already?

[flat brook]

i mean all god combinations

[acoustic nova]

I want my chaos duos!

[flat brook]

some don't exist

aphro/zeus and stuff

[turbid needle]

I think they've said that, Constantino, that we're not getting Duos for every combination.

[flat brook]

aww

[acoustic nova]

we'd have more duos than boons

[flat brook]

it feels unfair that zeus has a duo with almost every god and demeter has only 4

[neon fiber]

oh yeah, aphro zeus does not exist
if that ain't ironic then i don't know what is

[acoustic nova]

zeus is king

[flat brook]

"love spark", the most obvious thing ever

still waiting for it

"cold war" for dem/ares is another one

[acoustic nova]

bring back super spent spirit

[turbid needle]

Spent Spirit was OP at 60%.

[acoustic nova]

yeah it was awesome

[turbid needle]

It was unbalanced.

[acoustic nova]

"balance"

[flat brook]

sad that i started playing after those things were patched out

[acoustic nova]

also, is crystal clarity good?

[turbid needle]

Very.

[acoustic nova]

I really don't like demeter's cast

[neon fiber]

Ares/Demeter: Doom is boosted by every stack of chill the enemy has

Boom

[acoustic nova]

nooo

that'd be

[flat brook]

if you for some reason want a demeter cast run, you absolutely need crystal clarity

[acoustic nova]

extinction.

[flat brook]

it's still bad, but it's bearable at least

[acoustic nova]

you'd think that demeter's "everything frozen on screen" boon would be hard to trigger

but nope

that, plus ares

I mean, the only time I use demeter cast is with excalibur turtle builds

but there's only so much cheese I can bear

[flat brook]

if you want to make demeter cast good, i recommend achilles + stygian soul and hope for a 2nd cast at chaos

the +150% casts actually do damage

so it proves that if they doubled demeter's cast damage it'd be good

[acoustic nova]

+150% chaos boons?

[flat brook]

+150% cast damage from achilles' special

[turbid needle]

Maxed Aspect of Achilles.

[acoustic nova]

ah

[turbid needle]

Increases the damage of two Casts or two Attacks (or one of each) after you use Raging Rush (press Special twice).

[flat brook]

but with achilles you can make every cast good

i've never seen anyone talk about zeus' cast, do you guys like it?

[acoustic nova]

good old achilles

[turbid needle]

With Stygian Soul.

[acoustic nova]

and you were talking about OP

[turbid needle]

Every time I try to use any bouncing attack it hits the enemy I'm targeting, bounces between two walls, and then yeets itself into the abyss.

Happens with Electric Shot, Lightning Phalanx, and Multi-Skewer.

[acoustic nova]

I really can't use stygian soul

[flat brook]

what irks me the most about zeus' cast is that i'm trying to lodge the bloodstone on my target

but it actually lodges on the last target hit

for some reason

[turbid needle]

I'd like it to lodge in its first target, too, yeah.

[acoustic nova]

cold fusion is kind of just there

[turbid needle]

The chasing lightning bolt can still inflict the same damage, but losing Casts over the edge made me quit Infernal Soul a long time ago.

[acoustic nova]

I don't really have a problem with jolt running out

as you generally have a lot of lightning going

[flat brook]

cold fusion is quite good imo, i never turn it down

[turbid needle]

Cold Fusion goes from "Okay, but there," to "Absolute world ender" depending on your build.

[neon fiber]

Cold fusion isn’t that bad if you don’t plan on using it as your main source of damage

[turbid needle]

I love it, I almost always take it unless Splitting Bolt is also an option.

[flat brook]

perhaps i don't take it if i have scintillating feast and 2 cast stones

[turbid needle]

Ten seconds of Jolted after stopping attacking an enemy is huge.

[acoustic nova]

it's useful for room clearing, yeah

but zeus is strong at that either way

[turbid needle]

No, it doesn't blow the world up if you've got Malphon or Exagryph, but getting that constant damage in afterwards (you can just let Theseus kill himself if you focus on Asterius instead, even when Theseus is across the field) is huge.

[flat brook]

there's also the sad cold fusion when your jolted is common and unupgraded, with a measly 60 damage

[acoustic nova]

I've had that in a game today

uncool

[turbid needle]

I like to think of Jolted as pocket Splitting Bolt against fast-attacking enemies.

[acoustic nova]

and letting theseus kill himself is a bad thing imo

[turbid needle]

What's bad about shortening the fight by that much?

I'm not just standing there, he just deals the damage to himself thanks to a decently-leveled Jolted and Cold Fusion.

[acoustic nova]

if he triggers the casts before you get asterius

[neon fiber]

Yeah, theseus can be a big nuissance

[turbid needle]

Theseus's Call is not a big deal.

[acoustic nova]

trying to kill asterius with theseus calling stuff is a pain

[turbid needle]

In fact, it's the best time to attack him because he's not defending.

[acoustic nova]

I mean, maybe not for you

[neon fiber]

No, but keeping an eye on the bleeding reticle is

[flat brook]

i also used to kill asterius first, but now i've started getting theseus to call before even touching asterius

[turbid needle]

Oh, so then Cold Fusion is still good for me, got it. 👍

[flat brook]

makes it a lot quicker

[acoustic nova]

really?

[flat brook]

sometimes asterius gets the impervious at the same time as theseus because of collateral damage

[turbid needle]

For one, Asterius always rushes you so 85% of the time Asterius is eating AoE incidentally.

[acoustic nova]

my order is still the same, maybe I should try it

[flat brook]

lol exactly @turbid needle

[turbid needle]

It's a way to burst them both down at the same time but you need a super nasty build or they'll gank you.

[neon fiber]

Kinda sad that he becomes invulnerable between phases
You have no idea how many greater calls he blueballed by becoming suddenly invincible

[acoustic nova]

ok, maybe yeah that could work

trying to kill theseus while he's calling is ok. and avoiding asterius

[turbid needle]

This is why I watch their HP before I pop a Greater Call.

[flat brook]

what saddens me the most is when theseus is about to call and asterius decides to spin next to him