also wouldn't athena just be more interesting to talk to than aphrodite
#h1-builds-and-combat
pale roost
cunning urchin
No.
neon fiber
Yes athena strikes as more interesting to me too
pale roost
she is way more knowledgeable and could talk about way more
blissful field
ahh but artemis know about all the land and animals and hunting, she FOR SURE know about good drugs 8-) hahahaha
neon fiber
Aphrodite: countless myths about screwing people over for petty reasons
Athena: countless myths where she’s the voice of reason, represents wisdom and aids heroes constantly
pale roost
aphrodite makes the problem athena helps fix it
lethal crane
Dudes..wtf
Aphrodite had the best flirt in game
She wins the conversation skills easy
pale roost
but what would she talk about?
lethal crane
Anything
She's not some holier than thou type like Athena
Or a tsundere hunter
She speaks from the heart to the heart
pliant palm
Yeet, won with TD1
lethal crane
It's ok though. Me and @cunning urchin will have the goodness all to ourselves
neon fiber
And her heart of hearts says “hey let’s ship these two lads together even it will end messy for the lulz”
cunning urchin
@pliant palm nice! Congrats!
neon fiber
She’s literally a bad fanfic writer except in real life
I rest my case your honour
pliant palm
Thanks, will get way harder once I push the heat higher tho...
pale roost
and half the time her pov mary sue is literally her
lethal crane
But that's the beauty of it all. She is the most interesting not the most just.
cunning urchin
What's wrong with that?
soft pine
Some say loooooove....
lethal crane
Best girl is best...not righteous
neon fiber
actually that’s literally athena
pale roost
along with knowledge and battle stratergy
cunning urchin
Couldn't prevent the Trojan war, could she. 
pale roost
but it was battle strategy in the end that finished it
neon fiber
Leave it to the aphrodite simps to call mass casualties on both sides fun 😔
Also in a less banter-y tone holy hell patto please appear i’m begging you i suck at the rail and already ran out of DDs
lethal crane
I mean...mortals die that's just what they do
cunning urchin
How do you suck at it, just hold attack and dash.
lethal crane
Can't fault the gods wanting to enjoy that
He is a disciple of Athena. He needs more s strategy than that.
cunning urchin
Or spam special. Or both.
lethal crane
Some things are better left to simps
cunning urchin
Doesn't seem to help him, all his strategizing.
pale roost
use zeus
lethal crane
That's cuz love conquers all
neon fiber
I’m already using zeus
pale roost
try going for sea strom
lethal crane
They'll learn some day
neon fiber
It probably doesn’t help i’m using an unupgraded zagreus but still
I don’t usually take rail and i slept like two hours tops today
cunning urchin
That . . . probably doesn't help.
neon fiber
Which is usually a bad combo too
lethal crane
Good day sir
neon fiber
I literally haven’t invested any blood in the rail yet
lethal crane
Eris or bust
soft pine
^
neon fiber
lmao there’s special death screen for dying during a thanatos challenge
neon fiber
It’s not much, thanatos’ portrait appears on the background and he gives you some sass
soft pine
he's come close to killing me several times, never succeeded though
neon fiber
Asides from thst it’s not too different
neon fiber
Not gonna lie, i only found out because i ran head first into a trap
Sleep deprivation doesn’t help when you’re dashing around the place
lethal crane
Best of luck next time brother
frail fable
did I see people saying that Artemis is not best girl?
I can accept Aphrodite as second but I am very disappointed
sly sonnet
dusa best girl
frail fable
someday you will see the true way
pale roost
are you supposed to be able to throw the shield whilst blocking?
cunning urchin
@lethal crane you should upvote my feedback, for gameplay reasons.
pliant palm
Welp, tried a blade rift build, but didn't managed to get the double cast from artemis or the dash from ares, sadly https://prnt.sc/sb9fek
soft pine
I must be in favor with the gods again, they have blessed me with the Bad News Jolted Ice Feast!
neon fiber
Good to see people have voted the right thing when it comes to the shrine
Shrines to an olympian would be nice to have
Maybe a decoration where you can sacrifice nectar or ambrosia to have better chances to get them overall
cunning urchin
Temple.
Bigger than the Temple of Styx, naturally.
The keepsakes already cover that function, so it's unlikely.
flat brook
"Approval process is 5 free heat" - said no one, ever. https://i.imgur.com/Tzq8AOs.jpg
soft pine
that is painful mate
cunning urchin
Would it make you feel better if the other two options weren't shown?
soft pine
one would think approval process maxed would be better if you didn't see what you weren't getting
or, yeah
cunning urchin
Well, it's called the pact of punishment.
soft pine
well, there's punishment, but that's sheer masochism right there
flat brook
the worst thing is that the run was going very smoothly before that, i got the epic zeus special in room 1, which was perfect, and all other boon "choices" were great
but it had to end i guess
flat brook
i even entered 3 chaos gates but none screwed me over
in some chaos cases no boon would be better 
grand patrol
they just take ur hp and send u on ur way
flat brook
zag: "i didn't want any boons, chaos. all i wanted was to see you"
chaos: uwu
grand patrol
chaos but one of their faces becomes 
hard orbit
Just checking if I should post it to #hades-feedback or not - does the Boon Info button show up anywhere during gameplay or is it just in the Controls menu? I only found out about it because somebody mentioned it here on Discord.
grave compass
So close - was having a really positive hades aspect run
Managed the aphro legendary on attack, so every time hw got charmed i could get in another punishing sweep
Lost out to bad movement and losing 1 death defiance to theseus - definitely need to get better at theseus as i always struggle once hes summoned a god
pale roost
with theseus what happens if you have a boon from every god?
grave compass
Is that even possible?
I think tbf theres a rare chance for him to summon multiple, like they keep coming at random
May be wrong but swear i saw it happened to someone on a stream i was watching once
Maybe that
cunning urchin
Somebody here said he'll get one randomly if you have a boon from everyone.
Theseus's behavior is the same after he calls a god. You just need to stay away from the circles and not panic. For the initial call, you just need to keep moving to not get hit; he's also not moving or blocking at that time, so you can run circles and dash strike him or stay on him and zerg him down if you have the DPS.
grave compass
Yeah - i struggle on physical builds though depending on what he uses
Artemis is pretty easy - but zues of dio are quite random, so just as you want to get in close or are avoiding his spear you can end up running into a god attack
Sometimes opposite issue with aphro too - her circle makes you need to stay still unless you got a movement buff, which can leave you open to being skewered
Just gotta practice practice practice 😅
cunning urchin
Piercing damage helps speed things up if you can get that.
earnest ravine
I personally abscribed to the "not dealing with this anymore" philosophy as soon as I got a Companion, and blow him up the second his invul wears off.
grave compass
Might have to start doing that - i waste my companion a lot by forgetting about it
cunning urchin
unless you got a movement buff
You should have 1-2 dash or movement speed buffs from Hermes at that point, generally.
grave compass
Last time i used it on thesues and the bull and they bith moved out the way of megs line attack 🤣
cunning urchin
Nice! I just did 14 myself for the first time.
pliant palm
Noice ! c:
cunning urchin
proud storm
god i literally cannot play with tight deadline it gives me so much pressure
mossy breach
@hard orbit it shows the tutorial in the very first run. I missed it too and didnt realize you could see your current boons until i did like 50 runs
cunning urchin
That Addled Soul in Tartarus was beautiful.
proud storm
even though i am definitely fast enough to clear all biomes under 7 minutes each i 1) either forget the timer exists or 2) i'm distracted by a trove or smth
zag: i'm running out of time!!
me: oh yeah. right
cunning urchin
I might regret using TD2 all the time when things get more difficult on higher heat and I need to swap it for something else.
hard orbit
@hard orbit it shows the tutorial in the very first run. I missed it too and didnt realize you could see your current boons until i did like 50 runs
@mossy breach It took me only about 40 runs. I don't remember any tutorial, though. Then again, for me my first run was almost a year ago.
solid ruin
So you can't use a companion on ||Hades|| right? Is there anything else that is companion-locked?
earnest ravine
You can, but there are limitations.
Only Skelly and Sisyphus can be used on him.
Other than that, Meg can't be used on the Fury sisters.
solid ruin
ah good to know
earnest ravine
Everything else is fair game!
Oh, wait, I don't THINk you caan use Than on his challlenge rooms.
Because that's cheating.
solid ruin
i lost a run bc id saved dusa for use on the final boss but then it said "nope" and i cried
solid ruin
yeah id felt bad about making dusa fight her step-boss
so it was kinda nice to know its not an option
i was mostly like "man i wasted a dd when i could have dusa'd my way to victory in an earlier room whoops"
grave compass
Yeah - I think skelly os the only one that works on hades
cunning urchin
Skelly and Sisyphus.
grave compass
Oh yeah - havent got sis yet - done all the story bits just need it to appear in the house contractor now
spare zealot
the struggle between posting in hades-feedback and not being sure if this is already a thing just not unlocked yet
neon fiber
Kinda dissapointed Hades Aspect’s sweep is not an actual sweep ngl
sly sonnet
sisyphus and orpheus contract appeared super late after i finished their stuff
pale roost
@spare zealot go and paste "?rank Early Access" in the bot-comands
grave compass
Kinda dissapointed Hades Aspect’s sweep is not an actual sweep ngl
@neon fiber
I thought the exact same thing
I just got it - 1 run after nyx told me where to find it and i asked for the transfer
neon fiber
Yeah, it’s just
Literally the spin attack but with a different name
I can understand why since every aspect requires to have its own animations if they feature new fancy stuff
But i’m still pretty dissapointed
grave compass
Just finished a fun run with the rail
I got sea storm on my special in asphodel - then got special slows enemies in range, plus triple special shot - then got poseidon cast with flurry cast for good measure
Wasnt the most powerful against hades but it ate rooms 🤣🤣
Screenshot didnt save unfortunely
spare zealot
ooo that sounds fun
neon fiber
Yeah, poseidon’s absurdly effective at Styx because most rooms are tiny
spare zealot
I'm too addicted to zeus attack to try anything else on the rail
I grab poseidon purely to make styx easier sometimes
grave compass
Literally just - Lighting rail got brrrr
Yeah i had lightning attack too - but the super special went nuts
Funny cos i was aiming for a dio run 🤣
neon fiber
Get wave pounding and the one boon that applies ruptured and a poseidon boon can clear styx in a matter of seconds
grave compass
Got dio call at start (as the other other options were all common rarity) and then suddenly had storm rail
neon fiber
The game do be like that sometimes
spare zealot
poseidon makes dash builds viable
neon fiber
Accidentally broken builds are the best
spare zealot
who needs a weapon, just throw them into a wall, anime-speed
neon fiber
Yeah, ruptured and that one +dmg to bosses from stuff that pushes makes him stupid good against everything
neon fiber
I never tried posi call is it that good
grave compass
Sea storm feels a bit weird on the special though tbf
It didnt feel like lighting struck 100% of the time like it said, but ah well, once i added the cast too it was game over
neon fiber
Oh
That’s pretty sad then
I expected it to be broken in the same way his dashes are
Orpheus this is so sad, play the Hymn of Zagreus
tepid ridge
I haven’t had the problem with Poseidon’s call and the damage on it is super solid
Not as good as Dio’s over time maybe, but makes you impervious and move real quick
grave compass
Yeah - my thing is just that every god poseidon can duo with had a better call - so ive never really used ut
tepid ridge
I think I like Zeus’s call less and maybe Artemis’ too. Ares, Demeter and Dio all fit into my builds pretty often though
Athena’s call I have a love-hate relationship with lol
neon fiber
Yeah Athena’s call is kinda iffy
grave compass
Usually if ive gotten to zues call ive added him somewhere else already - so static discharge or double strike make it much better than the base
Artemis call i tried to like but i feel like 10*100 damage piercing arrows doesnt compare to aphro one shot 2500 damage
flat brook
10*100 damage arrows that can crit
lament coral
ranged calls are the best for me, Artemis and Demeter
Dio and Athena's calls are obviously busted
neon fiber
Yeah, Artemis is nuts
tepid ridge
Athena’s call is pretty great of you have good damage already or great reflexes to use it to dodge stuff. Artemis’ call mainly has its fast charge rate going for it but if you get low rolls it can be pretty underwhelming.
Imo
flat brook
artemis call's value is in that it's the fastest call to deal the entire damage (together with aphro, but she has lower damage)
grave compass
Can being the term, low rolls are annoying and mid rolls make it equal to other boons - why leave it to chance when you can just bop em with aphro
pine stratus
Everyone here in Latin America is waiting for the game to be translated into Spanish because we don't all know English and we want to understand the story of each character and the main story of Hades.
flat brook
Can being the term, low rolls are annoying and mid rolls make it equal to other boons - why leave it to chance when you can just bop em with aphro
i mean, you can use that same reasoning for never picking anything artemis instead of aphro, but artemis is still busted
tepid ridge
I feel like taking Artemis’ call is kind of a waste when her higher-level boons offer so much damage almost passively
Especially in this patch when her legendary is so hard to find haha
flat brook
yeah, i never prioritize artemis' call, it's more of a "it was the best thing offered" boon
but most calls, except for athena, are like that for me
cunning urchin
Artemis's Greater Call has an expected damage of 1700 at Lv.1 when common. That's factoring in crit damage.
Heroic is 2210 damage on average.
flat brook
but when i get her call i always put some poms in it, increases the damage by a lot
grave compass
Yeah ive given up on the legendary until they re balance it - it feels impossible right now
flat brook
while aphro doesn't
tepid ridge
Yes, her greater call, factoring in crits. I’m not saying it’s bad at all, she’s the most broken Olympian in the game, just that I’d prefer easier ways of dealing that much damage which she also offers
lament coral
the benefit of Arty's call is that the entire barrage is not wasted on a single enemy, the shots will keep searching for new targets, unlike Aphro's call
that also means that Arty's call can penetrate armor and keep eating the HP bar away
flat brook
although sometimes her shots will kill 1 enemy and just fly away to nothingness when there's other enemies...
idk if it's a bug or intended
grave compass
Yeah thats what i liked about her with hera - loading in 3 true shots was epic
They would just go straight through one enemy, destroy it, then continue on to the next ones 🤣
lament coral
I think they have a limited search range, so if there's nothing within range they just fizzle out
which is really unfortunate
tepid ridge
Ooh now her cast is a different story
I love me some discrete homing nuke damage I don’t have to worry about charging
flat brook
tisiphone's whole-screen attack when helping EM furies is the most unfair/busted move in the game. change my mind
cunning urchin
crickets
flat brook
just play as if the entire game is erebus
neon fiber
i actually haven't been able to reach erebus yet
i can't get gud
spare zealot
eh, I don't think it's too bad at all. when she does that screen obscuring move I just run away and wait it out
flat brook
screen obscuring is fine, i'm talking about that multiple wave of circles she does
flat brook
it's super fast and you gotta dodge at the right direction
so just reflexes gets you hit 3/4 of the times
neon fiber
you know what's painful though
EM Alecto
imagine having to dodge that and the buzzsaws
flat brook
EM alecto uses the same move she has on her default fight
neon fiber
or, god forbid, trying to keep an eye on the buzzsaws while the screen obscuring is going on
spare zealot
EM Alecto I just sigh and accept that this boss fight is a damage race and pray I win before popping DD
flat brook
now that move from EM tis is her normal move times infinite
if it was just a cross pattern like her normal fight it'd be fine, but nooo, it had to cover the entire arena
tepid ridge
I do not like tisiphone’s EM phase, you aren’t alone lmao
Her mist is annoying but sometimes it’s impossible not to get hit by her triple-row blast
lament coral
the wave does take some getting used to but the "fart up the whole screen" move is just obnoxious
untold quiver
Is there a Dodge cap?
lament coral
it's not challenging, it's just annoying
there's no dodge cap but it's impossible to reach 100%
it stacks diminishingly
untold quiver
So multiplicative from sources not additive?
lament coral
yesh
spare zealot
I wonder why, it would be exceedingly difficult to get anywhere near 100, let alone 50, and to get there you have to waste a non-trivial amount of resources you're not putting into damage or more conventional defense
I'm trying to think and I don't even think you can get to 50?
untold quiver
Dodge 50 is not hard to get at all if it was additive
spare zealot
Even if you used the keep sake you have to be good and fast as hell
lament coral
yeah, you'd be able to get 50% even without the feather
lament coral
Zag fist is 15
untold quiver
Yeah once you get used to running tight deadline you can clear most of the rooms for the plume buff
lament coral
Second Wind would be the biggest boost
untold quiver
So if it added you could really get a lot
lament coral
and with the feather you'd be able to reach 100%
spare zealot
yeah 100% should certainly be impossible, doesn't matter what your build is at that point
untold quiver
I assume then that damage reduction is also multiplicative?
lament coral
I actually don't know
God Mode caps at 80%
considering the much lower values of DR boons, I would imagine that it's additive
solid ruin
what's the expected number of encounters per run?
lament coral
it varies
untold quiver
Oh but it probably has the cap then
lament coral
60-70, I would imagine
solid ruin
i wanma know the dodge chance of the feather i can expect from a perfect run
bc that one IS additive
spare zealot
Out of curiosity ages ago I turned on god mode, died and turned it off when I discovered it just gives you huge buffs that sticks with you, do those go away after you turn it off?
lament coral
of course
flat brook
without feather you can have 15% zag fist + 25% hermes + 45% second wind + 50% ruthless reflex = 82,5% dodge chance
assuming epic hermes boons
spare zealot
if it stacked additively
flat brook
that's multiplicatively
untold quiver
That's in a very narrow window though yeah?
spare zealot
I didn't know second wind was so big
flat brook
you just gotta dodge constantly to refresh ruthless reflex, it lasts 3s iirc
spare zealot
and yeah wait I can't math this morning I guess
you can just punch the final boss to death at that point
I suppose 100% damage heat would still hurt after awhile
untold quiver
I don't recall what does second wind and ruthless reflex do?
The final boss has greater than 3 second non attack windows
spare zealot
second wind - use call, dodge like crazy
flat brook
second wind is 15s of 45% dodge/movement speed after using call
ruthless is 3s of 50% damage and dodge after dashing through an attack
spare zealot
Sexy when you combine it with artemis call
dodge dodge dodge dodge
wait ruthless, you said dodging through, does that mean if I dodged through say, a wraith's energy ball
flat brook
i also wanted to test a facetank build... arthur 40% + aphro 15% + dio 20% and 30% + athena 10% = 75% damage reduction
spare zealot
It procs?
flat brook
ruthless is very generous in what you dodge, dodging just next to an elysium arrow, for example, procs it
you just gotta dodge near an attack
spare zealot
... I might have to try that mirror buff
flat brook
it's really good, but kinda needs additional hermes dodges
50% damage buff is quite nutty
untold quiver
I would think that if you have the situational and timing ability to keep that up you can just kill things
spare zealot
It'd be so nice in Elysium when the wraiths want to turn the game into Touhou
untold quiver
Like outside of style points
flat brook
if you're doing a dash strike build it's basically free damage, since you're dashing anyways
untold quiver
Does it proc off Athena dash deflections?
flat brook
yup
untold quiver
Huh....I'm usually more offensive with my Hermes boons I'll have to look at that
marsh pawn
untold quiver
I'm looking forward to seeing the hidden aspect for the bow....maybe something that finally makes me wanna play bow
marsh pawn
Ive finnaly got the duo achievement
flat brook
the only instance in which ruthless doesnt proc is when you miss the dash and get hit in the end basically lol
@marsh pawn woah nice
shame that those boons are not that great 
untold quiver
Pom is if it's early
twin mural
so like, if i'm trying to farm darkness, is there any point to using conch shell for the WHOLE run?
flat brook
looks like it's styx
twin mural
because i haven't gotten a single ocean's bounty from poseidon at all
it does, doesn't it?
i could've sworn spent spirit affects those
spare zealot
I feel like it does but I haven't paid attention
it just feels easier to deal with with spent spirit
west totem
ive gotten ocean bounty like 5 times in a row
twin mural
is that with or without poseidon's keepsake?
west totem
Without, i just kept seeing it as a choice that i thought it was an offer thats always there
flat brook
keepsakes only make the first god you see be the one from the keepsake and increase the rarity of the boons
it doesn't change what boons the god gives
untold quiver
If your farming darkness low heat runs with the boost weapon sonyiu can clear and then also sacrifice buying boons and such to buy darkness and take darkness rooms
twin mural
can you even get sunken treasure as a first boon with poseidon?
spare zealot
does anybody know what the dash time window is for Hermes's Quick Recovery to proc?
marsh pawn
cool is when you kill the last boss and receive 2k purple stuff
spare zealot
I love darkness runs when chaos actually decides to show up
neon fiber
lmao
marsh pawn
3k seems doable
lavish crow
dhfhlsdkj all darkness run
ocean mango
Does anyone else feel Athena's dash kind of too powerful against the last boss?
Since the skulls don't "land" after deflecting them, a significant part of the fight (managing / avoiding the skull explosions) is just negated if you learn the timings for when to dash around the boss
lament coral
you don't need her dash to dash over the waves
ocean mango
No I mean deflecting the skulls when they are projectiles
civic grotto
If anything when you learn all the timings and get good other dash options are better
lament coral
ah, I see your point
civic grotto
Athena's dash is very powerful when you can't kill them or are new to the boss fight
ocean mango
But Athena's scales better than the other ones, since it removes the skull explosion part
lament coral
Athena's dash doesn't scale at all
the only thing that changes is the damage on hit
ocean mango
Scales with skill, that is
ocean mango
It feels disproportionally strong to me
civic grotto
If you get the right combo of buffs from aphrodite, her dash and the extra damage can be much more powerful
With a lot of skill
ocean mango
Yeah but that's like a very specific situation vs the lowest rank of one boon, Athena's dash
civic grotto
The dash does have a very low opportunity cost, but it's ceiling is a lot lower than other dashes
surreal kestrel
i think poseidon and dionysus have pretty effective dashes too, in terms of the ranges where they add damage
restive solar
If you've obtained Ice Wine and then sell Trippy Shot, do you retain the benefits of Ice Wine on whatever new cast you get?
restive solar
I was too cowardly to try it
lament coral
of course you don't
Ice Wine enhances Trip Shot, what's it gonna enhance without it?
restive solar
My guess was nothing, so I didn't try it
lament coral
same with Scintillating Feast
restive solar
IIRC Scintillating Feast actually mentions Trippy Shot in the boon description, while Ice Wine doesn't actually name Trippy Shot
it's the only reason I even considered it
my inner power-gamer says that the boon should function according to the exact wording, which only says "your cast" does the Ice Wine effect
without being specific about Trippy Shot
my inner logical being says there's no way it works though
untold quiver
@ocean mango there are a number of abilities that are "Boss" abilities that seem really really strong versus the bosses, the dash deflect, do to their higher movement rates, is somewhat weaker versus the hordes than the bosses that have low volume high damage attacks. likewise Demeter's "when everyone is chilled they take a DoT" ability, in a room full of guys, worthless, against a single boss......shreds them.
Dio's Dash is also really effective on last boss because they actively chase you and you can just keep dashing away and giving them hangover stacks
restive solar
@civic grotto the direct damage on Athena's dash is low, but just like you said about Aphrodite's dash, the right combinations of boons and skills makes it very strong. And I mean strong beyond the fact that deflect is absurdly broken from a defensive standpoint.
Merciful End plus an easily applied Doom proc can result in absurd DPS. It just totally removes Doom's only drawback - the slow clock. If you go for a crit build, the Duo boon from Artemis/Athena rewards skilled use of deflect with a huge crit rate boost. With an Exposed boon, dash through an opponent to rack up huge backstab damage. And if you keep a careful eye on projectiles in the stage, the damage of deflected projectiles can be very very high. So while Athena's dash may seem to be balanced by having lower damage ceiling compared to others, that's not necessarily true.
ocean mango
Case in point https://giphy.com/gifs/gLEqJiiio4rKxMUWJQ
I have no idea what happened there though. Hasn't happened to me since
restive solar
oops, sorry
I triggered the profanity bot
Was that one merciful end trigger?
that's crazy
restive solar
wait how did you apply the doom?
civic grotto
My deflects have never dealt anywhere close to that amount of damage
ocean mango
I don't think there's a doom. I think it's pure deflect damage
restive solar
yeah I initially mistook the red over Hades for a doom stack, then realized I didn't see Doom anywhere in your boon set
ocean mango
Honestly that may have been a bug or something
restive solar
I got to head out, I'm super down to keep talking about dash balancing though so please feel free to ping me
civic grotto
Did you have any crit modifiers?
ocean mango
maybe, can't remember. This was like 2 months ago
Lol look at them numbers. Just found the video file
Wait I can't' post my pic
there
3540 and then 2241
Here's a longer and better video https://streamable.com/stnrjr
seems it might have something to do with Aphro's greater Call 🤷♂️
restive solar
I'm leaning towards glitch. I had a nemesis crit run today that was as stacked as could possibly be (heroic artemis basic, world splitter from daedalus, +70% attack from chaos, +63% from chaos, +crit damage from artemis, artemis/aphro duo boon, etc), and my damage maxed out at around 1200ish
I have no idea how you'd push up to 3540 damage
ocean mango
And can deflect damage even crit lol
restive solar
If you have the boon that makes anything able to crit
mossy breach
but even if it crit, it wouldnt do 3k damage
ocean mango
Huh, I had no idea
restive solar
and the artemis/athena duo should make deflect able to crit too
ocean mango
I think it's a bit suspicious that it happened the first time just as the call hit him
mighty ermine
yes, that's pretty much a deflect glitch interaction with hades that has been fixed by now
restive solar
@ocean mango from an OCD standpoint I agree with your feedback about deflecting lasers, but from a gameplay standpoint I don't think Athena dash should be any stronger
now I'm not saying that it should be nerfed. I love how broken it is and I want it every run. I'd be heartbroken if it got cut down to size. But there's no reason to make it even better
mighty ermine
haha, it's happened to me before too
just absolutely chunking hades out of nowhere with deflects, usually athena dash
ocean mango
The inconsistency bothers me @restive solar . Both the power of Athena's dash compared to the other ones, and that lasers aren't reflected
The amount of deflected damage could be reduced, or scale with boon rarity/level
That would make those two properties matter a lot more, for example
Then lasers can be deflected without fudging up balacnce
restive solar
personally, I'd rather see certain dashes buffed before messing with Athena
ocean mango
Add the laser bouncing, and then buff the other dashes to its level after that 🙂
restive solar
most critically, Ares, Dionysus, and Aphrodite
ocean mango
At least Dio and Aphro gets you closer to the 2xdebuff damage multiplier
I'd be much more inclined to take Ares' if it just applied doom
restive solar
You still take Privileged Status when you could take Family Favorite?
ocean mango
Can't remember what the new one does
restive solar
+6% damage for each god you have a boon from
it's constant, unlike privileged status. You don't need to do anything other than have boons from the gods
I consider it a no-brainer choice over privileged
higher max damage, much less opportunity cost to benefit from it (don't have to apply the debuffs) and gives you much greater freedom of boon choice
restive solar
I thought privileged was 40% max
ocean mango
Can't remember
mighty ermine
priv is 40%
ocean mango
Ah
mighty ermine
at max
mighty ermine
chaos doesn't count
restive solar
but it's not difficult to get close to or over 40% buff
and even if you don't reach 40%, the flexibility of gameplay and boon choice is a huge perk
ocean mango
I find I just tend to have 2 status effects by the end without much effort/concious choice
Just dashing around and using attack/special
At least for weapons where you use both
On a related note: Do you guys EVER use the bow's special? Even when Daed'ed, it seems horrible
I think my one use might be clearing butterflies
solid ruin
i mean the bow special is really good for applying status effects
mighty ermine
i'll rarely use it like a close range shotgun if it has good damage from a boon but otherwise i mostly ignore it
i don't use chiron too much
solid ruin
get doom on it and you wreck the early gamr
restive solar
Artemis Special with Chiron is absurdly strong, but also absurdly boring gameplay
ocean mango
What's Chiron, extra arrows?
restive solar
it's cool the first time, but afterwards it turns into clicking simulator]
chiron = all special arrows target and track the last guy you shot with basic attack
ocean mango
ah aright
mighty ermine
that's mainly why i don't use chiron much; it's extremely set-up based and there isn't much expression within that set-up
restive solar
you mean zero expression
not to mention it scales poorly with pretty much all other gods
Zeus lightning doesn't hit the target for each special arrow, just once for the entire set
ocean mango
The chiron thing only lasting for like 2 specials is a critical thing that isn't even mentioned in its description
acoustic nova
Ares special with Chaos is fun
mighty ermine
that isn't a scaling issue, it's a functionality one
acoustic nova
Ares is a lot more fun than expected, on the curse route instead of blades
restive solar
it's time-based, if you get faster special speed you can get off more chiron specials
ocean mango
But still "the last enemy hit" doesn't change as time passes 😉
restive solar
Ares special with Chaos aspect is the easiest way to clear the game IIRC
acoustic nova
But Chaos + Ares special and the special bounce is lulz
marsh pawn
theres any word about new stuff to buy on the contrator?
mighty ermine
@acoustic nova special bounce? you mean attack bounce with chain shot or..?
acoustic nova
previous run was my most shameful loss. ever
Hera + Artemis
got owned
lol
specia bounce - the weapon upgrade that allows a special to bounce 3 times
so you have... 7? from chaos
each bounce 3 times if there are enough bodies. Each add to ares curse
mighty ermine
chain shot is for attack
restive solar
I'm about to send some feedback, and I wanted to double check something before I make a complete fool of myself
mighty ermine
not special
mighty ermine
it is most certainly attack
restive solar
Curse of Longing - the effect is that Doom remains on foes as long as they're Weak, but each time it triggers the damage is less
is that right?
acoustic nova
Your Special can strike up to 3 additional foes before returning.
restive solar
it prevents Doom from ending normally as long as Weak is applied?
mighty ermine
OH we were talking about bow
acoustic nova
not bow
acoustic nova
Athena is stronk but boring gameplay
mighty ermine
you didn't mention shield at all so that was confusing
acoustic nova
you don't really die
restive solar
he didn't specify shield directly, but he mentioned Chaos and the only weapon with Chaos aspect is Shield
mighty ermine
assumed they meant chaos boon
acoustic nova
yeah I should've mentioned Chaos Shield
mighty ermine
as in special damage
restive solar
I can see why you'd say that. I just see Chaos aspect and Ares special together so often that I immediately understood
it's like, the bread and butter of clearing Heats way higher than you're normally capable of
acoustic nova
I usually stay away from the obviously broken builds. But today I said at least to try it
mighty ermine
to answer your previous question: yes, curse of longing's consistent doom tick is much lower than the normal doom damage
acoustic nova
and yeah, Chaos aspect in general is strong
I don't really see you you can fail with the shield, overall
restive solar
so just to be clear, Curse of Longing prevents Doom from expiring normally
mighty ermine
i think i used doom special on my first shield 32 clear, but it was a rough run
all the other weapons went way smoother, weirdly
restive solar
it makes Doom last longer
mighty ermine
yeah, so priv status will be active from it
acoustic nova
that's different from my experience
restive solar
kk
mighty ermine
yeah, i think i just got better at 32 heat later on since i started with shield
acoustic nova
I like the spear best overall
Hades aspect :V
but it can get unusable
and I revert to just mashing dash attack
mighty ermine
i used to actually use hades aspect before guan yu came out, despite everyone deriding it
but now i just love guan yu too much not to pick it for spear
acoustic nova
guan yu is one of those too strong for me aspects
I like it though
I usually play Zag and Hades on the spear
the sucky ones
or well, weaker than the other 2
mossy breach
The spin part is so satisfying with guan yu.. dun dun!
acoustic nova
would be nice if hades aspect had a throwable spin
or a bit of a faster spin really. That's the issue with it, with overtime it can get crazy
mighty ermine
yeah, definitely 40% overtime
i don't think it's that bad with 20% and none though
acoustic nova
nah, it's ok without 40%
but with 40% they'll hit you even with upgrades
before you can spin2win
mighty ermine
especially armored foes where even if you time it perfectly they'll shrug it off and take advantage of the end lag before dashing
acoustic nova
yeah Elysium is the killer here
the spear guys are just too fast to sit and spin
but I still play it
it's satisfying
acoustic nova
aaaahhh crush shot poseidon aspect, you never get less crazy
1k/shot, last boss melted in seconds
acoustic cosmos
do the temple of styx mini rooms count as encounters?
turbid needle
Depends on the item.
acoustic cosmos
because they take stacks off the well of charon stuff but not butterfly
acoustic cosmos
aw
turbid needle
If you get Rare Crop early in Styx it's a good way to cheese some Epic or Heroic boons.
elfin ledge
does ravenous will 'While you have no Cast Ammo, take 10% less damage and deal more.' work while cast is loaded in aspect of hera bow?
turbid needle
Yes.
spare zealot
I like how you can get the house contractor to put things in Zag's room
Ah yes, the room of the guy who wants to never see that room again. 👌
supple roost
I understand that this run is very low heat, I'm still only just dipping my toes into the game buuuut
Guan Yu spear with deflect is stupid dumb.
spare zealot
very nice
naive tusk
I love seeing Brilliant Riposte being picked as one of the MVPs 💛
spare zealot
low heat runs by newbies are still impressive, it takes a lot of time to figure out all the attack patterns of the 47689647857683 enemies
naive tusk
Ah, do enjoy the freshness of the game. It's so much fun when you are still figuring things out and are like "Oh, what's this?"
supple roost
Started off with a Daedalus hammer, got quick spin...found Athena grabbed Brilliant Riposte and did nothing but spam my spin.
This was probably the most silly and fun build I've done.
naive tusk
Starting with Quick Spin on Guan Yu is the onset of a good run 
I'm amazed you achieved victory almost unscathed. Very impressive! 
supple roost
Divine Protection+Patroclus' Keepsake is almost like having invulnerability
cunning urchin
Congrats!
supple roost
Granted, I didn't get Divine Protection until I made it to the temple of Styx but yes, I'm very proud about not dying.
I always find Thesus and Asterius to be a tough fight.
But this build made it super easy.
flat brook
divine protection is so hard to get lol think i've only gotten it twice, both times in styx
restive solar
I’ve got 104 hours in Hades, have not gotten Divine Protection
But I only ever take Athena dash, Exposed, and her Duo boons so...
flat brook
you gotta take brilliant riposte, the most random prereq ever
torpid turret
^
restive solar
I think I might have been offered Divine Protection like, once
torpid turret
Hardly see it because I almost never take that boon
flat brook
i started taking brilliant riposte just to get a chance at the legendary
torpid turret
I take it in 32 heat since divine protection can really save a run
delicate nimbus
I was doing so well with the sword and then hades got me! I know how to play safe with the bow spear and shield. Having problems being safe with the sword.
lethal crane
If you got a sword in your hand - the safe play is to stick em with the pointy end
Especially aspect of truck
dense locust
I found it's not too hard to cheese any weapon/aspect combo with a properly built cast ice wine build
but athena on attack can help with a more defensive stance, probably aphro special and athena or artemis dash depending on aspect
mighty ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/707447662974074951/20200505213052_1.jpg getting a pretty quick run that could have been quicker if i didn't get the cerberus sack on the fourth passage 😔
naive tusk
The barrel roll is back!
mighty ermine
hey peach!!
naive tusk
Heyo and congratz on that sub 15 victory 🎉
mighty ermine
thanks! 
been doing some casual speedruns lately, nothing serious like strategizing or working with any particular seed
naive tusk
Admirable indeed! Your times are impressive already. I don't think I could manage to get near them (mostly because I like to lollygag)
mighty ermine
oh i feel that. i wanna get back to actually using troves, trying to fill out the rest of the codex and mirror pretty soon
i just scrolled up and saw that you're going for the onion codex... godspeed
restive solar
how do you get times so low? My best so far was 16 minutes, but most of my runs are around 20 to 22
naive tusk
It's one of the few things left to accomplish, alongside gathering darkness 
restive solar
Does the timer tick while you're in menus like choosing boons?
mighty ermine
depends a little on the weapon but artemis, athena, and aphrodite are almost always useful to incorporate in some way
fists was with zeus attack though, unsurprisingly
yeah timer stops for that
and while you're paused, which is good if you wanna think on a decision for a bit
restive solar
fists and blade are by far my favorite weapons
unkempt pagoda
doesn't the timed heat also disable survival rooms?
naive tusk
The timer doesn't stop while the boon screen is open though so there's that too
restive solar
And yeah, I usually incorporate artemis, athena, and aphrodite
naive tusk
(I wish it didn't)
restive solar
I'm pretty sure that my 16 minute run was a nemesis aspect crit run
mighty ermine
@unkempt pagoda i think so, which is a good point. i luckily haven't really run into that yet while running without that heat option
restive solar
that was hella stacked, so I definitely had all those three
mighty ermine
having the timer just makes me play worse, i felt. so i chose not to run with it haha
restive solar
oh hmm, heat options. I often have jury summons active so maybe that's contributing to my run time
mighty ermine
oh definitely, you'll want to trim a lot for speed
and max forced overtime is a must
restive solar
what's that option? I don't have hades up right now
restive solar
but yeah I imagine that all the heat combinations would be hell for standardizing speed run records
ah that's sick
I'll totally have to readjust to that
I'm so used to the spawn speed and often set up projectiles before the spawn finishes
naive tusk
You will want Jury Summons, Calisthenics Program, Benefits Package, etc off because they just delay you more with extra HP to drain
mighty ermine
for sure
restive solar
I don't think I run calisthenics program
but if benefits package is the buffed armored dudes, I do run that
It's worth a lot of heat without adding all that much difficulty
mighty ermine
right, it's just that for speed's sake, it overcomplicates things and the bruiser extra health really hinders your time
naive tusk
Oh yes, but some perks add extra armor/hp, make enemies warp around, and many other things which delays you overall
restive solar
for reference, I'm currently between 10 and 13 heat on my weapons and I add heat every run. On a long ass winstreak
naive tusk
The only 2 heat options which help you clear a run faster is Forced Overtime and Tight Deadline if I'm not missing something else
Probably Extreme Measures 2 for the clumped Hydra fight?
mighty ermine
yeah EM2 for that exact reason
restive solar
NGL I think clumped hydra is easier than normal hydra
cunning urchin
Faster, not easier.
restive solar
Why not both?
cunning urchin
EM Hydra is way more aggressive with head slams, and you're way more likely to take damage from lava when dodging head slams.
spare zealot
I have seen the light
All hail spread fire rail
why on earth does the game even let you shoot that fast
cunning urchin
No thanks. The only shotgun I really find satisfying to use is in Halo: Combat Evolved.
It's strong, but it just feels eh to me. Couldn't tell you why lol.
twin mural
honestly i kiiiinda concur
flurry cast aphro with poseidon sword felt like a stronger shotgun
also, am i supposed to proc a conversation with chaos or nyx when trying to do their event? because i still haven't gotten any progress on that
tepid ridge
I think Nyx just has a ton to talk about before getting to it, and I believe continuing to get Chaos on the subject is necessary too. I have most other stuff unlocked but that's one thing I haven't seen yet either
Pretty sure I'm an event or two away from finishing it? Not sure
torpid turret
The WR is 3:59 IGT with spread fire rail, yeah it's damn good
spare zealot
It lets you shoot so dang fast it nearly looks like it's glitched
looks normal with the standard bullet fire, but with the shotgun blast it looks so odd
artemis dash and damn it shreds near everything
dense locust
It'll probably not get better than that moving forward unless you can beat it before june or use the old patch once the next patch drops
eternal stag
3:59?? that's intense.
grave compass
Ayyy Successful run and with first time having Forced Overtime on
Also it got me my 10 diamonds nectar so time help out the good bud sisyphus
flat brook
tanky boi arthur https://i.imgur.com/gzS6hue.jpg
for some reason i didnt take achilles' keepsake, would give me 80% damage reduction
@grave compass nice, getting used to forced overtime will give you lots of free heat later on
grave compass
Yeah thanks :D
Only just getting my weopons up to free heat but if i can get used to FO as a minimum it'll definitely make things easier in the long run
flat brook
definitely, also getting used to EM, FO and TD gives you 16 free heat
eternal stag
according to the 'anything is free heat when you get used to it' principle
taps head
flat brook
just get used to not getting hit and you can turn on the whole pact for 57 free heat
dense locust
Yeah just gain computer like reflexes and hack the rng, and 57 is ez
flat brook
imagine playing below 55 heat lmao
dense locust
LOL
stop making me laugh this hard
Ill do you one better
imagine not playing 58 heat
cunning urchin
Imagine not having escaped yet.
dense locust
Right? i don't get why people keep doing the same thing over and over, just take the path on the right after beating hades
heady kindle
Was there any good discussion on mirror choices?
I have questions about some pairings (some seem a bit more obvious).
- Shadow vs Fiery presence, I can see using Fiery on Trippy Shot builds, what are other applications?
- Dark Regeneration over Cthonic Vitality, is there ever reason to use Vitality?
- Death Defiance over Stubborn Defiance always, same question.
- Greater Reflex seems safer but Ruthless Reflex seems to have higher potential value, thoughts?
- Deep Pockets vs Golden Touch. Golden Touch seems only occassionally worth it on hard runs to me.
- Thick Skin seems really good, I did not manage to make High Confidence work yet, what about you?
- Privileged Status seems better than Family Favorite when going for duo boons or generally focusing on just few gods.
- Olympian Favor vs Olympian Legacy, what is more value? I tend to usually run Legacy.
- God's Pride vs God's Chosen, same question, I prefer Chosen.
- Finally, when do you prefer Fated Authority over Fated Persuasion and why?
tardy grove
what are some good heat to up if u want less difficulty
heady kindle
@tardy grove I find Tight Deadline pretty free if you know what build you are going for and you are not trying to farm too much
earnest ravine
I can at least put an opinion on Vitality and High Conffidence. Vitality GUARANTEES health over time, while Regeneration is pretty much a full heal after a battle. It depends on how much damage you expect to take and where. As for High Confidence, it's for... Well, if you're confident. If you don't get hit very often it's essentially free damage.
heady kindle
for some builds, Jury Summons is pretty free because you have a lot of AoE
Extreme Measures 1 does not add much difficulty to furies fight, did not try higher
earnest ravine
As for PS versus Family Favourite, that's a LITTLE debated but people tend to come down on the side of FF, because it doesn't lock you into needing two curse-based boons to get your damage going.
heady kindle
yeah, FF seems to be more consistent
and not all duos give two status effects, right
earnest ravine
both are pretty darn good, though, so it's a pick your preference sorta deal.
tardy grove
ahhh okay thanks @heady kindle
heady kindle
I am most unsure about Favor vs Legacy and Pride vs Chosen and Authority vs Persuasion
@tardy grove take it with a grain of salt, I only beat 5 heat so far, because I am heating up almost all weapons in sync and I did not wanna skip heat levels
earnest ravine
Authority and Persuasion are both preference. I like FA because manipulating the shape of a run is what I like to do, and I tend to eschew god trinkets. Some people prefer Persuasion because they're more particular about what EXACT boons they get from their prefered gods.
tardy grove
ahh im only playing heat on sword
heady kindle
I think it is a bit individual, for example I hate traps so I avoid the extra trap damage heat
tardy grove
i cant do well with the other weapons T_T
flat brook
legacy if you're going for 2+ duo/legendary boons, pride > chosen basically always, authority/persuasion is mostly personal preference from what i've seen, but i greatly prefer authority
heady kindle
so far I only dislike Spear and Bow
earnest ravine
Also, Firey Presence is like, REALLY undertuned right now compared to what the backstab bonus can do for you. which is unfortunate.
flat brook
also i prefer family favorite because for me a permanent 30/36% bonus > conditional 40% bonus
earnest ravine
because it sounds cool but it's very one and done.
flat brook
yeah, fiery presence is basically for trippy shot builds
earnest ravine
Ruthless Reflex is powerful, but is hard to get used to and most people will sacrifice their own blood to Hermes to get an extra dash as soon as possible (usually meaning that you want to roll Persuasion with it).
i like to nyoom too much to give up my second dash for long
dense locust
I think the debate between olympian favor vs olympian legacy and god's pride vs god's chosen might be the most up in the air choices among the community
heady kindle
nyyoom? 😄
flat brook
the thing is that, afaik, we don't even know if god's chosen has a noticeable effect, while god's pride is definitely noticeable
dense locust
from experience, I find more legendary and duos using the OG two
flat brook
some people made the math that god's chosen over the course of a run will give you one extra golden room
dense locust
favor and pride
but i've also had more experience with the two
but the fact they also upgrade your boons before that point is a pretty big plus
heady kindle
yeah, I think I will give them a try
dense locust
favor, imo, is pretty situational
manic ermine
I don't even mind blue doors because they can be rerolled into ambrosia poms easily
dense locust
because a lot of runs don't even see a legendary or duo
heady kindle
wait blue can be ambrosia poms? oh, nectar pom effect
heady kindle
favor is the one that gives rare, legacy is the one for legendary/duo
dense locust
and I'm not sure how they calculate rarity, but I feel like I can more relaibly get legendary/duo using favor and pride
as long as i get a yarn from the well or get the boon in a skull room
and take fated persuasion
to make this even more likely
heady kindle
btw is it just me or does yarn not work with exclusive access?
thanks for good discussion on the mirror, that helped a lot
I wanna reroll and spend a few more thousands on that extra reroll
right now I have almost always both sides bought
dense locust
it might not help
heady kindle
except stubborn defiance and stuff
dense locust
like i said, its hazy how the rarity works
flat brook
btw is it just me or does yarn not work with exclusive access?
yup, neither yarn or refreshing nectar do anything, i've put a feedback on that already even
dense locust
but it seems like having a rarity boost while having favor and pride
heady kindle
oh that is the eurydice thing
earnest ravine
Yeah, unfortunately, the only two ways to a heroic are gods one upping each other and Rare Crop.
So anything past Epic isn't happening.
dense locust
makes it likely to force legendary or duo to appear
given you have the prereqs
the heroic rarity is a pretty strange mechanic
heady kindle
Rare Crop is interesting, lots of variance on it though
it feels really bad to get it early when you don't have relevant boons
heady kindle
yeah I am not sure if there is a build for it
flat brook
a few days ago i saw a video of a guy doing 43 heat with arthur and stubborn
earnest ravine
There really isn't. It's a good training tool to get further if you're dying frequently to standard rooms, but it can and will get you killed on bosses if you don't know thier patterns in and out.
dense locust
rare crop will consider heroic boons invisible as far as i know
earnest ravine
or, if you're like that dude that Constantino mentioned that ALSO probably knows boss rooms in and out.
dense locust
and yes not all boons do great with increased rarity or levels
earnest ravine
(btw nice avatar, Constantino, looks pretty)
dense locust
especially if they are valued for their ability like athena dash
flat brook
(btw nice avatar, Constantino, looks pretty)
ty
dense locust
but some also don't scale like others in terms of their damage
flat brook
paying my homage to pyre
heady kindle
seems that dashes in general doent scale well
dense locust
poseidon does
but dash is usually secondary
so athena dash is usually the choice, but sometimes artemis
aphrodite can work for the free weak
heady kindle
I like Athena a lot
dense locust
but its kinda ineffective unless you also get the extended weak time
heady kindle
Demeter seemed hard to aim but not awful
heady kindle
Ares dash if you go full Ares things
dense locust
demeter is okay too
flat brook
did a demeter dash only run these days
manic ermine
Demeter dash is strong
dense locust
all of the dashes are honestly pretty strong
flat brook
Ares dash if you go full Ares things
after doing both, ares has more damage potential but demeter is overall faster
flat brook
all of the dashes are honestly pretty strong
aphro seems like one of the weakest, it's basically just for applying weak
dense locust
but usually you want athena unless you're using the dash for a prereq to a duo or legendary
aphro is good if you can get the extended weak time
or if you need it to get a duo
flat brook
i'd put athena = artemis > demeter = poseidon > dio = ares > aphro >>>>> zeus
dense locust
i think athena would be above artemis just due to artemis being more situational
dense locust
agreed
heady kindle
haha I tried Zeus dash or rather took it in a build that was already falling apart
dense locust
or maybe artemis above athena on, say, nemesis aspect
flat brook
i tried a zeus dash only run
heady kindle
what the hell this bot keeps telling me to watch my language but I did not use any profanity
dense locust
i think poseidon is the way to go for dash only
heady kindle
I just said the build with Zeus dash I ended up having to kite Hades and only made it because I kinda learned his patterns
dense locust
you can get that damage up pretty high
zeus dash honestly feels like the outlier
the worst of the bunch
maybe okay for applying jolted but that's pretty minor
flat brook
i think poseidon is the way to go for dash only
poseidon > demeter > ares imo
dense locust
yeah i'd say thats true
flat brook
for dash only
dense locust
ares can be highest
but requires everything
the legendary
the bigger aoe
even then
im not actually sure
the longer lasting time
heady kindle
I often end up rerolling away from Ares because it feels like he is the god who has most synergy with himself and needs you to commit
flat brook
yeah, once i got the legendary on room 6 or something and the rest of the run was a breeze
heady kindle
either almost full Ares build or no Ares
dense locust
legendary what
flat brook
but the strongest dash without any auxiliary boons is definitely demeter
ares' legendary
flat brook
lawnmower dash run
dense locust
i'd say demeter or poseidon for dash only and no extra boons because poseidon can really wreck normal rooms, but demeter chill is invaluable against bosses
if you can beat a artemis dash only run
ill give you $1000
heady kindle
do revenges count?
and the artemis boon that shoots arrows?
actually does that trigger on dashes?
flat brook
found it https://i.imgur.com/wj8NW6o.jpg
it was chamber 7* legendary https://i.imgur.com/WOECmh0.jpg
flat brook
black metal is super satisfying, your blades become HUUUGE
flat brook
epic engulfing vortex and greatest reflex were definitely mvps
0.4 extra seconds is like over a 50% increase in the duration
earnest ravine
Doing a blade rift build with Ares dash is really really REALLY fun
The most efficient damage wise, probably not, but it's FUN.
earnest ravine
It's a fun word that normally is used in like, cartoons to simulate going fast. Like you know the sound that a motorcycle or a fast car makes during a race?
it's usually used in conversations nowadays online, where something goes Very Fast and you're appreciating the fact that it is, in fact, Fast.
plus try saying the word "nyoom". it's fun to say
pale roost
does anyone else think that apollo should be added?
neon fiber
Not really
tepid ridge
“should” is a strong word, but I definitely think Apollo would fit in perfectly into the game’s narrative regardless. He would have instant plot connections to Artemis, Orpheus, Dio, and maybe even Nyx since she is goddess of night and he is a sun deity. He would also add a classic burn status effect and already one easy themed duo is a fireball whiskey one with Dio.
pale roost
he could have some boons linked with fate as he was also a god of phrophecy
gray lintel
nyoom
grave compass
Burn effect would definitely be a nice status for apollo - could also make a cool freezer burn mix with demeter
Not sure what theyd have for the 'secondary' thing though - maybe yeah somwthing revolving around fate to help you control your run more
neon fiber
maybe the ability to fudge your rerolls more to your favor?
Then again the whole fate thing falls upon the Fates’ jurisdiction, when you reroll you’re already doing that via them
tepid ridge
Ooh @grave compass freezer burn is another one I was considering. He could also have a duo boon with Artemis that finally makes “Marked” viable against bosses somehow. Mostly though I like the story directions he would bring
neon fiber
Not sure if Helios could supercede their authority
pale roost
maybe a boon that whenever a boon is is sold gain a re roll
neon fiber
Burn sounds cool but how could it be done without it being hangover but with the serial numbers filed off?
spare zealot
I could supercede everything
pale roost
maybe burn could be applied to the ground so if something is standing on it they take damage
neon fiber
Ooh that does sound fun
But i feel that’d maybe fit Hephaestus more then
tepid ridge
I agree, a burn-afflicted enemy could leave a creep trail that does damage over time.
pale roost
that sounds more like a teir 2 boon
tepid ridge
What would the tier 1 do then? Attack inflicts Burn/Ignited, a status curse that for x seconds affects the enemy in what way?
neon fiber
Why not make him music/light themed?
His niche effect could create music, which could draw enemies towards the source of the song
And deal a slight amount of damage around it
tepid ridge
I’ve been hit with a classic rebuttal to that before which is, “that would just be sort-of charmed” since it moves enemies toward each other to do damage but I think you’re onto something there. His status effect could be more light-themed.
Like “Blinded” or “Illuminated” which deals damage to enemies around the affected one instead
neon fiber
I hesitate to make it more light themed since that’s already Athena’s territory ingame
That’s why i mostly went for music instead
tepid ridge
It just feels weird to me since Apollo wasn’t just a god of music. I do think his cast getting plopped down on the ground and attracting enemies with some damage-dealing tones like your idea is an awesome design space
neon fiber
I also said music and creating musical areas since that would be easy to combine with other gods for duos or just make abilities affecting his own musical shenanigans instead
Also music and the arts were one of his main attributes alongside archery and light, he even was the patron/chief of the muses
Especially music
naive tusk
You bards you
pale roost
His aid could be like the shield's bull rush butt longer and more damage
neon fiber
Hell i’d suggest the musical area also aggroing foes if that didn’t essentially make em a better skelly
pale roost
Maybe the music could buff zag
neon fiber
Maybe the regular attacks could make Zag build up a status effect that when reaching a certain number releases a flash of light around zag if we go down the light route
Or can be released at will, consuming all stacks to release a flash of light
At first the stacks could do not much asides from slightly buffing zag’s relevant damage, but certain boons could buff Zag in other ways the more stacks he has, making Apollo a more strategic kind of boon where you’d have to judge whether to nuke your surroundings or buff yourself
I.E having the attack boon makes stack buff your attack damage, having apollo’s special would buff his special too, etc
tepid ridge
Now that is what I’m talking about. Give Zag a visual aura as stacks build and increasing tones in the background as he hits and that would be a lovely graphics aspect.
neon fiber
The cast could be a pillar of sunlight that damages foes over time, the damage could scale with your number of said buffs
pale roost
His aid could be like the shield's bull rush butt longer and more damage and could look like a chariot
tepid ridge
Damage=x*y, where y is the number of stacks you’ve built
neon fiber
Hell, you could divide Apollo’s boons between stacking and enhancing the buff or enhancing the light explosion like Ares’ boons can either buff Doom or blenders
Boom
There you go supergiant i did half the work for you
His Call could be an area of light expanding from Zagreus, dealing damage to his surroundings and quickly building up stacks
tepid ridge
👍 Cast drops down an alluring musical zone that periodically builds a stack on enemies like an amp from the face melter, if anyone here remembers how that gun in Gungeon works.
cunning urchin
Fire is the theme of Asphodel; fate is covered by the three Fates; music is Orpheus and Eurydice; light is essentially covered by Athena.
flat brook
i wanted hephaestus, how come we have an ice god(dess) but not a fire one?
but we'll probably get no more gods
west totem
Hephaestus is clearly the best greek god
snow cradle
does anyone know how to get the fully loaded legendary boon from artemis cause i keep doing runs and havent had any luck and i want to make sure im getting the right boons
earnest ravine
You need both Exit Wounds and Dual Shot.
if you're grabbing both of those, it's just a matter of luck.
Note that Exit Wounds can't be given if you have Trippy Shot, Slicing Shot, or uh... Demeter's cast, so if you've been grabbing any of those first you're locked out.
flat brook
every cast: (insert adjective) shot
demeter's cast: cRyStAl bEaM
spare zealot
I mean it's the only one that shoots a beam
if anything I find it odd that Ares' is named shot
dense locust
sounds like there is a lack of talk about ice wine here
rugged estuary
proud storm
that looks tasty
mossy breach
@snow cradle I dont know if there is a hidden requirement or i was just lucky, but I had the same problem. I switched from Stygian soul to Infernal Soul and it appeared on the next run. Again, maybe it was just luck
tepid ridge
Voted most likely to be drafted into the panzer division
restive solar
"How many levels of damage reduction are you even on right now my guy?"
how does damage reduction stack anyway?
Clearly you don't just add the percentages up, I would have over 100% damage reduction if that were true
Edit: Forgot Weak is technically reducing the damage enemies do, not the damage I take
cunning urchin
Multiplicative.
restive solar
thanks
cunning urchin
So you'd have 77.8% damage reduction with all of that active.
flat brook
ooh i forgot about ravenous will
lemme calculate the theoretical max damage reduction possible
cunning urchin
Don't forget Broken Resolve either, unless you're not counting Weak.
flat brook
arthur aura (40%) + abyssal blood (25%) + ravenous will (10%) + different league (15%) + bronze skin (10%) + high tolerance (30%) + positive outlook (20%) + weak with broken resolve (45%) = 90,5% damage reduction
i think that's all the damage reduction modifiers in the game
it could get higher with more levels in high tolerance, different league and bronze skin but i'm taking everything epic lv1 into account
cunning urchin
Myrmidon Bracer.
spare zealot
does it stack flat though?
flat brook
Myrmidon Bracer.
i always forget that one
spare zealot
I doubt you'd be getting 90% DR
flat brook
- 30% = 93,3% damage reduction
spare zealot
ah
flat brook
it's all multiplicative
spare zealot
Now I kinda want to try a mega tank build
It would be the longest run ever but still
flat brook
i mean, you'd be playing aspect of truck so it wouldn't take that long
spare zealot
lmao true
cunning urchin
Some of these boons can get more damage reduction with pom levels.
flat brook
you can do it with zag shield with a slight reduction from 40% to 15% but you don't need to stay in the aura
spare zealot
they said assuming lvl 1 boons
cunning urchin
Oh.
flat brook
yeah, i dont know how they scale with poms, and stuff like high tolerance varies its % from run to run
cunning urchin
I kinda wish pom scaling was more transparent someplace. Not necessarily in-game.
flat brook
also wished it was possible to differentiate boons that can or cannot be upgraded
cunning urchin
Oh yeah. That would really be nice.
Is there a feedback like that somewhere I can upvote?
flat brook
i saw someone suggesting that upgradable boons had a "lv1" and non upgradable ones had nothing
spare zealot
honestly bet the same suggestions get made a million times anyways
cunning urchin
Yeah, I bet a million people had already suggested before me to add an option to build a temple for Aphrodite.
spare zealot
I want my achievement for turning all the area bosses into food damn it
sandwich sisters, king of sandwiches, ||lord|| sandwich
restive solar
teleporting, cloning suicide chariots just now has to be one of the worst things I've faced
I was on fists too, couldn't really deal with them from range
spare zealot
That message just made my blood pressure spike
restive solar
I'm sorry
spare zealot
the suicide chariots are so awful to deal with
restive solar
they're fine as long as you have range, but I was on fists
only thing that made it acceptable is that I have zeus basic attack
cunning urchin
I use Divine Strike on Malphon.
restive solar
I can see how that would work
but which aspect? I like every malphon aspect, but the strategies for each are different
cunning urchin
Zag Aspect.
spare zealot
I honestly just use zag on the fists lol
flat brook
imo zag aspect is the best one
cunning urchin
Yeah, I think so too.
flat brook
unanimous
spare zealot
I get why the others are nice but Zag is so much easier to work with
restive solar
I love each, but I think Demeter and Zag are better than magnetic
Demeter aspect crit builds reach levels of absurdity
cunning urchin
I love Divine Strike + Hunting Dash on it, and hopefully their Duo Boon.
restive solar
fists are just the best weapon in general IMO, I love all the aspects and every daedulus upgrade is fire too
flat brook
chaos shield says hi
restive solar
"in general"
every other weapon has one or two aspects I like, and maybe half the hammer upgrades I like
I love everything about fists
I'm also just more comfortable with the tempo and playstyle of fists
flat brook
my favorite weapon was the bow, then the railgun, then the fists and now it's chaos shield
i feel like every weapon is gonna become my favorite at some point
restive solar
Fists > Sword > Shield > Rail > Spear > Bow = my preferences
but I do enjoy all weapons in the end
Hades is a great game all around
flat brook
yeah, excluding some duo boons, for an early access game the balance is pretty good
cunning urchin
I tried Lightning Strike on it today for a couple runs. Wasn't faster or slower than with my go-to build, but it felt more difficult. Like, I needed to think more (read: at all).
restive solar
I hope to god they rework demeter cast
flat brook
definitely
restive solar
lightning strike on fists Nyaanyaa?
cunning urchin
Might just need to explore Lightning Strike with it more though to better know when to get what etc.
Yeah.
flat brook
the nice thing about fists is that they're fast enough for on-hit boons but hit hard enough for damage % boons
restive solar
Yeah I just forced it this run to try it
flat brook
so anything pretty much works with them
flat brook
i just start coin purse and let the game decide what i'll take
cunning urchin
I feel like the bow is generally the weakest weapon. Definitely the slowest for me.
restive solar
The problem with Bow is that it doesn't make sense for the pace of the game
flat brook
bow is my slowest weapon as well but i find it very good still
restive solar
Hades is a fast-paced game, anything that requires you to charge is in conflict with the spirit of the game