#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 487

young mural May 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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i wanna see how sauced i can get it

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cause

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the hitbox is brokemn

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and i just beat meg without being hit spamming firecracker

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only problem is i have stubborn defince on

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so i can finish the prophecy

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firecraker is gonna destroy the hydra

neon fiber May 3, 2020, 8:33 PM

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did firecracker go through enemies?

young mural May 3, 2020, 8:33 PM

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yeah

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but alsp

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hit enemys no were near projectile

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ok proxy

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this is bery broken

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very

neon fiber May 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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lmao

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yeah it can probably slam a hole through the hydra

young mural May 3, 2020, 8:34 PM

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do i take rare crop

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thonk

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it will defs hit my only 2 boons

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but one is heroic already and ones rare

turbid needle May 3, 2020, 8:35 PM

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If you really want the Heroic boon, but sounds like you're barely clicking Attack.

young mural May 3, 2020, 8:38 PM

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yeah

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im not

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firecracker has like no end lag

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i think hades will still destroy me tho

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unless i get hermes bonus dashes

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welp

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we got charged skewer

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ok i 2 shot armoured enemys

young mural May 3, 2020, 9:35 PM

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hades died in 2 miniutes

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Theseus/Mino fight in 1:30

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gg

rustic ferry May 3, 2020, 9:40 PM

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how do you unlock more weapons than thee first 4

neon fiber May 3, 2020, 9:45 PM

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there are no more weapons after Exagryph

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there's aspects, which are different forms weapons can take

turbid needle May 3, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Keep playing and building your key repository.

neon fiber May 3, 2020, 9:46 PM

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to unlock aspects just do a run with exagryph
it doesn't matter whether you manage to complete it or die, you just need to leave the house so everything resets

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Can someone tranlsate for me what firecracker is

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Guan Yu Special.

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Firecracker Launcher is its official name, like Nova Smash or Bombard.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Where can I find that text

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 12:48 AM

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I believe in the weapon courtyard, lemme doublecheck.

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Sorry, Firework Skewer.

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https://gyazo.com/5a8bf2c897de0683f7e2839544540ae3

Gyazo

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~~Mooncutter was better than Serpent Slash~~

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:49 AM

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oh so firecracker was just lost in translastion so to speak

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Gosh, and is that screen the only mention of it being the firework skewer?

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Maybe.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:51 AM

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The name felt so obscure to me that I'm not sure I've actually seen it anywhere else

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And now that im checking out the other weapons/aspects

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it seems like the only instance where they just gave it a unique name, although it does drastically change what the special does

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The other example seems to be demeter aspect on twinfists, where they change the special to gigacutter

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 12:53 AM

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They've given most everything special names, not just "Special".

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Well i'd argue that's not exactly true, at least in the sense of changing the name of the special from one thing to another within the same weapon but different aspect

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With sword, it's always nova smash

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With the shield, each special is different but is named after the action that you do with the special

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Shield Throw versus Blitz Disc.

soft pine May 4, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I can't get the hang of blitz

gray lintel May 4, 2020, 12:57 AM

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step 1: get dionysus special

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step 2: with some sort of move speed boost be it dashes or actual movement speed, throw it, have it come back, and chase after you

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step 3: run by everyone while your Stand follows you and poisons everything to death

dense locust May 4, 2020, 12:58 AM

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@turbid needle ah but that's comparing the names given in a different spot than firework speical is given. If you read the description of guan yu, it calls the special explosive special

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I think this just points to a minor inconsistency of how they've decided the nomenclature of each weapon/aspect combo would work

unkempt pagoda May 4, 2020, 1:02 AM

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i assume that's because guan yu has multiple moves with changed names and it was more clear to put what those moves did in the aspect screen (where you would unlock it) rather than their proper names

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by contrast, zeus shield only has one name change and it can afford to also describe what the new move actually is

dense locust May 4, 2020, 1:03 AM

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If you're on the screen to decide aspects, it lists the names of the new attacks, but once you pick the aspect, it gives a differing list of of names

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Like, the list of names while on the aspect deciding screen is descriptive of what the attacks do, whereas the alternative screen (akin to the screenshot Schpoon posted) is more a name for lore flavor

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And I think that latter screen is the only mention of the guan yu special being called the firework special

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Does anyone know whether or not Exposed is multiplicative?

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Because every time I Pom it the damage spikes like nobody's business, moreso than should happen just from 30% additional damage.

naive tusk May 4, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I've no idea but I can keep an eye out on it in my next runs

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 4:11 AM

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[sum of flat dmg] × [1 + sum of % bonus dmg] × [1 + sum of % crit dmg]

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It should be added to all the other % bonus damage you have.

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At least that's according to the wiki. Only different sources of damage reduction are multiplicative.

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Thank you, Rare Crop, for selecting Divine Dash. /s

dense locust May 4, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Is that because you didn't want the other boons losing rarity for the following rooms? Divine dash always strikes me as as boon that's equally good at any rarity

lament coral May 4, 2020, 4:30 AM

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it's because the increased dash damage of Divine Dash is irrelevant

lament coral May 4, 2020, 4:52 AM

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@cunning urchin you can open the boons menu, and you can see your HP in the HP related boons' tooltip

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 5:27 AM

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You can't open the boon menu. I'm pressing the button right now, and it's not opening. And you can't see current HP on things like damage reduction.

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Actually I pressed the wrong button nvm lol.

naive tusk May 4, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Seeing Divine Flourish's gold + indigo explosion on Exagryph makes me feel residentzag

misty raptor May 4, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Hello I am new to the game where do I spend my titan blood?

naive tusk May 4, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Do you mean where do you need to be to spend it?

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 5:44 AM

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On new weapon aspects and to level up aspects.

misty raptor May 4, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Yes I currently have 6 and can't find where to use them

naive tusk May 4, 2020, 5:44 AM

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You need to unlock all weapons then play a run. When you come back, you will be able to spend titan blood on weapons in the courtyard

misty raptor May 4, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Oh okay thanks!

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Welp. https://imgur.com/a/VJBX6Dz

Imgur

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:32 AM

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all flavors of DD, too!

naive tusk May 4, 2020, 6:37 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/706756374717005844/Zaggy.png

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What a fun Hera run. Couldn't get Fully Loaded or better rarity boons but these worked nicely squirtyay

gray lintel May 4, 2020, 6:41 AM

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@lament coral not all flavors, i don't think they have the chaos boon flavor(i recall that one looks different but not sure)

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Yeah, I didn't have that one.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Two words: Ice Wine

west totem May 4, 2020, 7:49 AM

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I dont think the weapon trainer thing for the Aegis explained how to block damage with it.

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Or am i missing sth

unkempt pagoda May 4, 2020, 7:52 AM

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while holding down the attack button, you charge your bullrush, which also blocks damage from the front

lament coral May 4, 2020, 7:52 AM

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doesn't it say "Hold the button to Block"?

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:01 AM

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To be honest, this is something that I think a lot of experienced players overlook when suggesting the shield to new players

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When you are holding down the attack button with the shield with any aspect and no hammers (and most hammers but there is one that changes this entirely and another that changes when you let go of attack), you are able to block nearly every instance of damage that is in the game if you position Zag correctly while maintaining this held attack (called bull rush)

lament coral May 4, 2020, 8:07 AM

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when I just started playing and had over a dozen runs, I saw the shield being suggested either here or on reddit and I just rolled with it and won

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0 blood Zag shield at 5 hell heat, ez pz

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that was my first complete run

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nothing really changed since then, shield is still the best option

lavish crow May 4, 2020, 8:08 AM

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whoa the damage block on the shield is WAY helpful to know about, thanks for sharing!

lament coral May 4, 2020, 8:09 AM

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keep in mind that the source of the damage has to be in front of your block direction

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:25 AM

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YEAH

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THE AEGIS WAS GOOD

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man

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Tbh i think i overlooked it during the training lmao

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then again, nothing attacks you in the training area

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so we wouldnt have a place to test it

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also still dont know if it still blocks during bullrush because i had the charged shot thing

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:33 AM

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It does.

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Also, do ya'll think that the bone hydra is a bit too difficult for melee?

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Ah thancc

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Yeah a lot of experienced players suggest to start with shield because its so strong but usually fail to explain exactly the mechanic that makes it so strong

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:34 AM

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i did bow then shield

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and i was like

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MAN THIS IS MUCH EASIER

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When going to bow

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ranged seems good lmao

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:34 AM

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exactly i speak from experience

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:35 AM

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I don't think the Hydra is too difficult for melee.

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:35 AM

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ah well you see, im terrible kek

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Also, blocking damage with the shield is not easy

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as far as tasking it to newer players

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and juggling that with actually dealing damage and where to release bull rush

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Bruh i had a curse right before the bull and theseus that made me lose health each time i attacked, and the shield block saved me lmao. Still lost tho

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:36 AM

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so i really disagree with the usual suggestion of shield being the easiest for new players

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:37 AM

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You need to not be too greedy in the fight. Don't get too close when the head is over lava, and get away from the head slam asap.

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:37 AM

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I havent had much experience with bull rush because so far all my first items have been hammers that convert the bull rush into a ranged shot

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:37 AM

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charged shot still lets you engage the block mode

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:37 AM

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yeah

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its real useful

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:37 AM

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there's the one hammer that eliminates the reliable block

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:38 AM

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Also, are we talking Extreme Measures Hydra or regular?

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:38 AM

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world smasher

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:38 AM

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regular for me :(

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ive only done 4 runs ._.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:38 AM

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world smasher eliminates the thing that makes shield op

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:39 AM

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actually 6 but 2 were test runs to record how long it takes to clear rooms and reach boss

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35-55 seconds per room and around 10 minutes to get to the boss in case youre curious

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:39 AM

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i found 1 level in poseidon aspect of the sword to be very strong for starting out

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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The wallsmash mechanic is really cool, but had no explanation

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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once you unlock aspects

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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is that what the titan blood is for

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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throw 1 point in poseidon aspect, but don't level it up further

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yeah

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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That's fine. If it's just the single head attacking, you shouldn't be taking any damage at all. The attacks are very easy to be avoided.

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:40 AM

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yes

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6 heads tho

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and theyre all the worst type

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you know the one

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:41 AM

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poseidon aspect sword gains an ability that outscales the other aspects in terms of the strength for just 1 blood

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but furthur points is unnecessary

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:41 AM

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how to unlock aspects

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:41 AM

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just keep playing

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:41 AM

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is it a number of runs thing or a distance

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:42 AM

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you'll find out

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:42 AM

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feck

dense locust May 4, 2020, 8:42 AM

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its more important to experience the game and then come here with questions instead of the other way around

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:46 AM

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But then i can pretend to be a cool oracle like in percy jackson

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:46 AM

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6 heads, start on the far right or far left, stick a bloodstone in it if you have one, and pick off 1-2 at a time—mostly just focusing on staying away from head slams and dealing damage to either of them. If it gets too crowded there, just get out of there and get to the other side instead.

west totem May 4, 2020, 8:47 AM

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thancc

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now i can be god emperor

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Also, the uppercut has really good range for the Twin Fists.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Just had a less than positive run

Accidentally took the wrong chaos boon first - -42♡ for extra darkness (didnt realise i hadnt got a heart yet so only had 8 health for 4 rooms)

Then later i took the 100% movement speed after dash which really threw me off in elysium and i got recked by mini chariots and the bull

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 8:49 AM

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oof

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flame wheels are a massive pain i'll give you that

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Flame Wheel spawns in Erebus.
"Oh no . . ."

grave compass May 4, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Everything i took worked against me, but thats just the kearning curve - also took spread fire on hestia which then nullified the need for taking hestia as they dont stack

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Part of that though is i only have lvl 1 hestia as just wanted to try it

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I like 100% movement speed after dash a lot.

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Well . . . maybe not vs EM Hydra.

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Or in certain Styx rooms.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Not for me - i just dont have the reaction time

I definitely prefer just a flat movement speed buff that you can just adapt too

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Gonna do another run later and im returning to old faithful nemesis sword

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:57 AM

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That one final Styx room with the two blade traps and a Cure pool right between them is probably the one room I take the most damage in.

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 8:57 AM

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take athena and to literally just trivialize the traps

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I always have Divine Strike on Malphon.

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Still manage to get poisoned in that room because there's so little space to work with.

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Then you dash in to cure, dash back out, cure didn't register, so you go back i—SLICE!!!

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Satyrs are the worst - even with divine dash i still seem to get hit

And then the snakestones... styx really hurts...

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Its like - if you build a great AOE build then styx is easy but hades is more of a problem

Great boss build and styx punishes you

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Snakestones are mostly okay if you learn to rush behind them asap so they can't hit you.

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 9:05 AM

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yeah, snakestones are your top priority
posi dash makes the entirety of styx trivial so he's always a good choice

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:05 AM

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But the rooms where theyre in multiple directions they can get those annoying hits in

Or more annoyingly - physical build and they sit in the giant middle void

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Flood Shot in Styx is great too.

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Has anyone got any tips for using casts in a non cast focused build?

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 9:06 AM

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fire them at your enemy

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Yeah tbf - thats sorta what i meant about styx vs hades

Posiedon great for styx, bad for hades unless you get the right combos

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 9:06 AM

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poseidon's always great if you get the DoT boon

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plus that counts for divine privilege i think it was since it's a status effect

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Poseidon is really good with the rail I find as you can either go for blizzard shot or the sea storm depending on what you get in the early game

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:10 AM

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@pale roost just stick a bloodstone in bosses or tanky enemies; maybe get something like Epic True Shot if you see it, but if she offers a passive or something else that supports your build, get that instead.

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I've fought Hades a few times with Malphon with just the basic bloodstone.

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:13 AM

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K thanks

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Yeah- true shot can also help just a little more with thesues without you putting much else into it

As pretty sure it pierces his shield

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If not then yeah- any extra damage from lodged bloodstones is good damage

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Trippy Shot is good too even at level 1, and you might even get a tier 2 like the damage reduction inside Festive Fog or can easily swap to a bootleg cast build instead if melee isn't working out.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Bootleg cast build is how i somehow ended up with blizzard shot actually

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Btw i havent tried hera bow yet but sounds fun

Are there any casts that dont work with it? Was gonna try for legendary true shot anyways for aesthetic if i can - but wondered how stuff like demeters lazer would work

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:22 AM

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The crystal should just drop wherever your arrow hits. I don't think it'll work out effectively, but who knows.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Nah not worth the wasted run - but was thinking about how different boons work with it

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:23 AM

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here's a tricky mechanics question: what is the interaction of snow burst and hera aspect bow

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I think the snow burst explodes as soon as the arrow loaded with casts hits

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but snow burst originating from zag

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Haven't had that combo yet.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:25 AM

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i have it now but its hard to test

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Maybe it bursts when you shoot a loaded arrow at all?

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:25 AM

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actually it doesnt seem to be doing anything

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Just shoot at a far wall after you've cleared a room and see if there's any snow anywhere lol.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:27 AM

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confirmed

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is useless

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i thought it was working the room before though

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which is whats throwing me off

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hydra was a hard room to test in

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Should make a #hades-feedback post about that.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:28 AM

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i think i will

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:29 AM

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If it does nothing, it shouldn't be offered. If it does something, it shouldn't be so obscure one can't tell what happens.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:29 AM

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wait

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im dumb

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I think i sold it

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:29 AM

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dusa

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Well now I must get it again

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 9:31 AM

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You shame the glory of gangsta bouldy with your reckless selling dong man

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I am the glory of gansta bouldy

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if he makes mistakes, i make mistakes

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plus underworld customs

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:33 AM

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That's like me posting feedback that I want to be able to open the boon menu when choosing boons when I was pressing the wrong button.

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You can't open it at the shop though. That's what threw me off.

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Not sure about when choosing hammer upgrades.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:34 AM

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haha i wouldn't post feedback or post a bug unless i was 100%

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Well, if users think an option that's possible is not, that's important feedback too.

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:36 AM

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how do you learn to play the lyre?

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Practice, practice, practice.

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:37 AM

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so just go up to is and press e aload?

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 9:39 AM

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That's what I did. I'm not sure about the exact mechanics, but he plays longer melodies now and I can only use it once per entering the room. So . . . it did something. Still haven't fulfilled the prophecy.

pale roost May 4, 2020, 9:40 AM

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ok it is the last prophecy i have and it is just bugging me

dense locust May 4, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I think I had snow burst and then sold it, and the interaction was each nova activates originating from zag as soon as the hera shot hits for each cast charged

dense locust May 4, 2020, 10:05 AM

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wow hera has the potential for some shenanigans

west totem May 4, 2020, 10:05 AM

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bruh

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lmao

dense locust May 4, 2020, 10:06 AM

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finally got my hera ice wine fantasy

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ice wine is so unnecessary

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https://imgur.com/YDkap9i

Imgur

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Next time I do this, I will put on LMFAO ft. Lil Jon - Shots

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on repeat

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Btw do we know the requirements artemis legendary?

I remember reading its harder to get than others

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Dual Shot and Exit Wounds.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Okay both- i thought so but the wiki still says either

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Can't get Exit Wounds if you have Trippy Shot, Slicing Shot, or Crystal Beam.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Aim is for full artemis if i can - gonna use the keepsake and persuasion for the cast straight off

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Well probably wont get full artemis but artemis cast build

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Should probably pick Fated Authority just to have a slightly better chance of actually seeing her after the first time. Although I'm not much of a fan of FA.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Yeah thats true - i like authority i just have to remember to use it on boon rooms

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:37 AM

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I think Hermes rerolls alone are better than FA.

dense locust May 4, 2020, 10:37 AM

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I can't bring myself to not use fated persuasion

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Also Athena keepsake + Persuasion = high chance you're getting your DD back.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Its kind of annoying though how many times ive take athena or charon well DD and then i get a chance at patrocolus

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:45 AM

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But that means you can take his healing or attack buff instead. Both are pretty good.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Yeah if i can take attack then thats nice to speed up theseus

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 10:50 AM

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I often take the healing even when I'm at or near full HP.

soft pine May 4, 2020, 11:14 AM

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^things can go south quickly in elysium. That damn elite soulcatcher fight for instance. shudder

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Yeah, and losing a DD to that is expensive.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Yeah - if you dont have the build for it then far too many shades can spawn

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:19 AM

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You'll probably take damage along the way anyway from Longspears, Flaming Wheels, . . .

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Longspears in particular seem to like dash striking you from off-screen when you're low on HP. shadegrief

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Longspear Delivery Services — We bring you death from off-screen!

west totem May 4, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Styx can go wrong too

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i went from 100 to 0 because i was stuck in the lava and couldnt get onto the boat

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rip

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:31 AM

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"Have you tried not stepping on lava?"—Hypnos probably

west totem May 4, 2020, 11:35 AM

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fricc you hypnos u pillow lookin butt

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:(

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 11:37 AM

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God dammit i got Exclusive Access at Styx with no boons left

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Congratulations!

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I appreciate the support Poseidon but how about you give it to me earlier

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I’ve literally fulfilled the requirement since Tartarus and i got you like four other times

west totem May 4, 2020, 11:42 AM

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:o

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Poseidon wants to see you swim with the fishes.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 11:47 AM

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getting huge catch at styx as well

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for that increased chance at ONE scuffer

grave compass May 4, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Didnt even know you could get the legendary catch boon again

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Also isnt the styx fish guaranteed 🤣

gray lintel May 4, 2020, 11:50 AM

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80%

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so not quite

grave compass May 4, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Really? Ive never not gotten one

gray lintel May 4, 2020, 11:50 AM

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it seems to reroll when you enter it after a chamber too

grave compass May 4, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Ahh that'll be why

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Since you have to enter at least two chambers, that's at least a 99.2% chance a fishing spot will appear.

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99.9936% if you enter all tunnels.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 11:58 AM

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99.9936% if you enter all tunnels.
while getting a fish at chaos is the remaining 00.0024%

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 12:00 PM

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Presumably.

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0.0064% though.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 12:39 PM

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math be hard

grave compass May 4, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I was doing a more chaos run when poseidon did his rod of fishing thing at the start of my run

Managed to get 2 projellys because of it - only gotten 1 since

torpid turret May 4, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Sunken treasure/Oceans bounty is the prerequisite for Huge Catch

grave compass May 4, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Well that was my worst run ever - not even sure what happened

Somehow entered the bone hydra with zero dd and 15 health - not even sure where it went wrong, just kept losing health

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Some of the rng on this game though...

Went for my true shot hera bow - nice fun time, used authority 3 times and never got artemis, got to styx with full artemis and 2 zues - zero Artemis boons...

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Also no exit wounds, so no chance at legendary, No chaos boons that helped cast, hammers all based around special when i definitely needed the quicker charge speed on attack - so my build is basically all over the place now

Runs like that can just turn what started fun into more rage inducing games where i dont really want to pick it up again for a couple days

soft pine May 4, 2020, 2:34 PM

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find out how you angered the gods and make amends

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Hmm. Going for highly specific builds like that is just gonna be risky.

young mural May 4, 2020, 2:36 PM

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does the aspect of eris absorb the self harm Q upgrade?

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:41 PM

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For example, my most consistent Malphon build just relies on Divine Strike and Hunter Dash. Everything else is extra. Easy to get those two boons quickly, and I can easily adjust to everything else I get (or don't get).

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No idea about Eris Aspect, unfortunately. I haven't used Exagryph much.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Eris aspect you still get self harmed

proud storm May 4, 2020, 2:42 PM

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gamer moment part 2 https://i.imgur.com/dhKwZaK.jpg

Imgur

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Really they shouldnt be compatible but i wouldnt recomend taking it

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:43 PM

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@proud storm nice one!

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Yeah i know - but its the only real way to fulfil artemis prophecy since it needs both exit wounds and dual shot

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Also ouch that dash strike hurts.

proud storm May 4, 2020, 2:43 PM

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i recorded it for good measure

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I got it before the update. I think I've only seen it once since, though I'm not even sure I have.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I usually dont mind if it goes a bit wrong, but its when chaos, deadalus, and styx are all working against you it doesnt make me think ' yeah lets go for another run'

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Back to persuasion 🤣

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Maybe they were working for you, but you were so focused on your build that you didn't see it.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:50 PM

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True - but if everything pre hydra points to a pretty perfect artemis cast build (bad chaos i can put down to rng)

Then everything post hydra is everything but that - youre then left with an underpowered build that you really dont want when facing elysium/styx

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I know thats just the game though - give it an hour and ill be up for another run - but for now it still stings

proud storm May 4, 2020, 2:50 PM

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i was planning that run with splitting bolt in mind but i didnt find it so i had to make do with what i got https://streamable.com/r7eimh

Streamable

Hades 2020.05.04 - 16.32.02.01 - Streamable

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cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Dio: "You want some of this fine Ice Wine, Zagreus?"
Zag: "Ugh, Dionysus again! I want an Artemis build!"
Dio: "Bruh, I'm only trying to help . . ."

soft pine May 4, 2020, 2:51 PM

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you never turn down ice wine

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:52 PM

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From what ive experienced- just never turn down demeter 😅

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:53 PM

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What if she offers you her Crystal Beam and nothing else?

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Well, you can't turn her down, but . . . you can sell it. dusa

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I think Crystal Beam is really fun to use actually.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Well usually by that point you probably werent going for a cast build

So that extra passive damage could help actually

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When i first saw her and artemis duo i found it so cool

Just spinning lazers

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If anything i wanted a boon that extended the beam duration

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I'm pretty sure I get more out of Malphon just sticking a bloodstone in them.

lethal crane May 4, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Stick a stone and break the bone always beats a crystal. I've yet to get art-demeter duo but those crystals are hard to use properly on most enemies I feel

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I don't mind them, just need them to move way faster or its too punishing to lose that bonus dmg by sticking a stone

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Kinda wish they'd nerf the dmg and made them faster

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Try for Artemis duo - they go SO FAST

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 2:58 PM

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The way I use them when I focus a build on them is basically form a triangle or square around your enemies, then keep them inside that.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 2:58 PM

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But agreed - the other casts that dont lodge bloodstones seem better bang for your buck

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 3:00 PM

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That or I spread them out like one points forward, one 60 degrees to the left, and one 60 to the right. Something like that.

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Or you can just drop one in a tight passage and nothing will get past that, so it covers your back or flank.

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Problem I see is with Forced Overtime they'll have real trouble keeping up with mobs.

lethal crane May 4, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I've used that cast a lot cuz I love that idea, much like hydras in Diablo games, but it just doesn't work well enough with the slow beam I feel 😦

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So yea, I formed triangles and other tactics, just gave up on it for the most part

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I'd rather have a stone in them

soft pine May 4, 2020, 3:22 PM

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why can't Crystal Beam just shoot ice wine?

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problem solved

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I’ve griped about Demeter’s current cast in the past and will continue to. Super slow and not much damage on its own mean it feels so much less useful when using regenerating casts and not ammo

gray lintel May 4, 2020, 3:48 PM

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imo I think demeter's cast needs to either get a damage buff or apply chill

muted patrol May 4, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Yeah, it’s only consistent with the Artemis duo boon. I feel similarly about Ares’s cast too, except at least that can be loaded and fired

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Which makes it pretty insane with more upgrades. Demeter cast doesn’t really get super good through upgrades

cunning urchin May 4, 2020, 4:07 PM

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This turned out completely different from what I had planned. Was gonna get Drunken Flourish, but I couldn't turn down an Epic Trippy Shot. https://imgur.com/a/emaTTYC

Imgur

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In hindsight, Frost Flourish probably works a lot better anyway because Drunken Flourish only stacks 5 times.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 4:11 PM

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frost flourish with chiron is chef's kiss

primal sigil May 4, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Would it be feasible to map the buttons to the Right Analog directions? My hand is cramping so badly

inland pebble May 4, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I think you can try in Settings

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Have anyone tested the prerequisites for Artemis Fully Loaded?

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 4:22 PM

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It requires dual shot and exit wounds I believe.

inland pebble May 4, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Both of them? Or either? That's the question.

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Both of them

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That’s the most recent change to its prereqs the devs made, so as to make it less ubiquitous in builds I imagine.

inland pebble May 4, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Then how can us the players get Fully Loaded if we have Ares/Dio/Demeter cast?!?!

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 4:30 PM

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You can’t.

inland pebble May 4, 2020, 4:30 PM

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No wonder why I can't never get it in those build

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Yea. Most people don’t like it, me included.

soft pine May 4, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Exit Wounds won't appear if you have trippy shot, slicing shot, or crystal beam. pfft

flat brook May 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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just get fully loaded with true shot then replace it with heroic trippy shot thanthink

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I was actually thinking about that Lmao. It’s the only way I believe shadesmile

proud storm May 4, 2020, 5:15 PM

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this time i got delayed by hades in tartarus, then than, and then i only found the sack on the 3rd tunnel, but hey https://i.imgur.com/rHvwuzd.jpg

Imgur

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accidentally left the victory screen so i couldnt show the time well

neon fiber May 4, 2020, 5:36 PM

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i made a run with two chaos attack boons, artemis attack, attack speed bon and the hammer upgrade that makes malphon deal more damage if you chain your attacks

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mother of god that thing dealt more damage than arthur

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Fully Loaded was nerfed to beat speedruns (in the same patch they made the most busted speedrunning weapon this game has ever had).

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Nobody likes this change.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:44 PM

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they could un-nerf fully loaded and spread fire would still be faster probably

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:45 PM

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we gotta wait, they're adding more boons next month

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Spread Fire needs a reversion as well, I should have clarified that.

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

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it's likely that FL's gonna get a new set of pre-requisites out of the new boons

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Almost certainly.

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I suppose we should count ourselves lucky we're dealing with a "broken" game that's still in EA.

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We could be Modern Warfare streamers.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

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we gotta wait, they're adding more boons next month
are they? i missed that

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:47 PM

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it's on the roadmap in-game

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boons, events, aspects

soft pine May 4, 2020, 6:47 PM

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they're adding different flavors of ice wine.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:48 PM

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new boons probably don't mean a new god, right? shadegrief

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:48 PM

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and what's the issue with Spread Fire?

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:48 PM

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they're adding different flavors of ice wine.
cold grape juice, chilled vineyard products, low thermal energy pressed grapes

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:49 PM

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It's a 50 base damage AoE attack.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:49 PM

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and what's the issue with Spread Fire?
it's broken

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:49 PM

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ice chardonnay

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:49 PM

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It's old Double Nova runs but able to scale much MUCH higher and hit even more quickly.

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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that's an easy fix: just move the number down, compensate by increasing the shot width or range or both

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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No, revert it from a piercing blast to an actual spread burst like it used to be.

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It was 100% balanced like that.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:51 PM

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is there any video of how spreadfire was? i only started playing recently

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:51 PM

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It's still good as an Attack option with Deadly Strike.

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:51 PM

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it used to be 5 individuals shots fired in an arc simultaneously

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:51 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIqT3wFP15U

YouTube

Haelian

OP Hades Builds Part 6: Spread Fire Rail + Artemis

I stream on twitch some times, come say hi http://www.twitch.tv/haelian/.

I have my own discord finally! Come join us for a stream schedule or other information about Hades and speedrunning. https://discord.gg/j7Fa2Mv

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flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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ty

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did they change it because it was considered weak or what?

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I don't know.

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SGG has been intentionally opaque as for the "why" when they make changes.

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The only thing I can think of that was even possibly overpowered was Hangover stacking.

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Aw, man, in this video Haelian was offered Heroic Dionysus Attack with old Spread Fire. shadegrief

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Lightning and Frost Strike both wouldn't stack their effects properly with Spread Fire, and those would be the other two culprits.

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As far as Arctic Blast does, at least.

lament coral May 4, 2020, 6:56 PM

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really? Only 1 fire stream was enhanced?

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Any damage % increases are properly universally applied, but chill stacking wouldn't work correctly.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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hmm, yeah, maybe it was changed because they deemed it too powerful with on-hit effects

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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That, or I was missing way too much.

flat brook May 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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but they might have overdone in the damage numbers in doing so...

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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But Hangover always stacked extremely reliably, that's what makes me think that either Chill stacking or Arctic Blast weren't working 100% correctly with Spread Fire.

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While we're on the subject of lightning not working correctly if it hits too many times too quickly, I'd much rather see Thunder Flourish get a damage nerf and properly work with more weapons' Specials and Aspects than have it be a super scary option on Aspect of Zeus alone.

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Even accounting for SGG's (paraphrased) policy of "Better cool on a few things than boring on everything," Thunder Flourish works with so few set-ups in this game right now.

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Lemme point-blank Chaos something with a bunch of lightning. It still won't be as good as a Malphon/Black Out build.

soft pine May 4, 2020, 7:04 PM

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yeah if I get thunder flourish it's in full knowledge that I won't be using it that much

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but I want the zeus duos

flat brook May 4, 2020, 8:34 PM

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How to almost lose a great run:

have tight deadline
pick a +73% enemies spawned chaos curse... IN ELYSIUM

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now i've learned my lesson

proper jolt May 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Imagine if you had the pact that spawns more enemy's as well

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That would be a nightmare

flat brook May 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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pls no shadegrief

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my zag just said "burn" when using demeter's call thanthink

tepid ridge May 4, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Freezer burn?

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Infernal bomb on a mini chariot room can also be terrifying

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So many bombs

turbid needle May 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Caustic Curse on Shielder Flamewheels.

grave compass May 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Acrually no - worst chaos boon i did

-46% speed in elysium, chariots, flame wheels, the bull... horrific

proud storm May 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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that one bow run from earlier ft. fat fingers https://streamable.com/qg3frc

Streamable

Hades 2020.05.04 - 19.11.11.03 - Streamable

▶ Play video

lavish crow May 4, 2020, 10:20 PM

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oh my god i hate the mini chariot rooms SO much i am a simple melee build man and i detest those lil guys!!
i had a run the other night where I'm not kidding it spawned like, three mini chariot rooms in a row. I'm blanking on the name because its been A Day, but I also had the heat setting up to like, +highest % of enemies spawning in a normal encounter
there were so many firecrackers

blissful field May 4, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Hi Guys, Im starting a twitch chanel for roguelite/like games and the first one that im playing is Hades hehe, is in spanish but if you like you could go and give some follows :D
thanks!
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/606074438?collection=bK-Z7bzGBhYUtw

Twitch

VS Theseus and The Minotaur

e5996 - Hades - Twitch

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lament coral May 5, 2020, 12:01 AM

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@lethal crane you get the quick spin hammer, or the special charge hammer. Worst case scenario, triple dash or longer attack.

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it sucks, but GY needs hammers

tepid ridge May 5, 2020, 1:19 AM

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I think increasing GY’s attack speed wouldn’t be too broken. The HP part is a little frustrating but I don’t think there’s a more balanced way to do it. The problems with GY are (from what I’ve heard) that it isn’t particularly useful on high heats, it requires the quick spin and massive spin upgrades to remain stable in the late game, and in my experience only regenerating 1 HP per spin hit makes strategies that rely on that attack fall apart in the late game where its regen won’t cut it in boss fights.

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You can regain like 30 HP without too much difficulty in Styx rooms but you probably won’t regenerate enough HP in the final boss to offset like 2 of his hits.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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there is a relatively simple and universal solution: remove quick spin hammer and increase the default spin speed of all spears

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not only does this make GY more tolerable, it'd also make Hades finally usable, too

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and, hell, people might actually use the spin outside of GY runs

tepid ridge May 5, 2020, 1:27 AM

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That was along the lines of what I was thinking.

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I think quick-spin could probably stay in Achilles, zag and maybe even Hades aspect pools depending on how much faster the charge-up time got

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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no

tepid ridge May 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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????

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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that would entirely negate the point of making the spin faster by default

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the point being that spin is garbage

tepid ridge May 5, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I mean yea, but why remove content even if that content has to be balanced a bit to accommodate new pacing? It’s not like the two are mutually exclusive right? Leave quick-spin with a penalty to area or damage, just like many of the upgrades on exagryph are balanced.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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the reason some upgrades have drawbacks is because the benefits would be overpowered without em

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the default spin time sucks, you don't ever use the spin on Zag or Achilles, and you don't wanna use Hades because you have to waste a hammer on quick spin to be able to reliably mark enemies without getting hit

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GY is the only aspect where you wanna use the spin because the aspect is built around it, including the fact that 4 hammers are removed from its pool

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and it has a back up plan in the form of a very strong special

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plus, there's been a precedent where a hammer was killed to accommodate aspects (Infinity)

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Infinity Chamber was nerfed to Delta Chamber because it was unbalanced with Explosive Fire permanently stunlocking enemies at range.

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The reason Malphon gets away with that now is because its range is so short.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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except that doesn't make sense because EX was nerfed, too

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what does make sense is killing a hammer that negates an aspect (Zag rail), and opens more space for the 4th aspect

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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They were nerfed in tandem, but Delta Chamber still exists.

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We wouldn't have an infinite ammo Hammer at all if that were the case.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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yeah, and in practice Delta is worse than unloading your attack and taking the reload

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so it's no longer a straight up upgrade

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I'm aware, that's why I eulogized IC in my name tag and have been advocating for both fixing Delta Chamber and a return of either Infinity Chamber or Cooling Chamber.

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It's a downgrade, you lose almost half your DPS.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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in any case, hammers died before, they can do so again

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I disagree that spin is as bad as you say.

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It's also at its most powerful on Achilles, where you get up to a 150% damage bonus on one of the harder hitting attacks in the game.

lament coral May 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I know, we had this conversation a couple of months ago

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 3:34 AM

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@devout seal there's a very obvious flash when a fish bites; that's all you need to look for.

west totem May 5, 2020, 4:38 AM

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whats heat

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Honestly just get rid of the life leech and life reduction on GY and give us that opop stuff like Arthur

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Regardless of the quick spin, its too risky for me at least...I used it now with quick spin on heat 6 and almost died xD

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And yes, quick spin should be the default on all spears anyway

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I like the life steal. It's fun.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 4:52 AM

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I love the life steal but if its 50% health reduction...bah

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I really don't think life steal should be punished this hard

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But maybe I need to see someone who's good at the game play with it

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Makes me prioritize heart chambers and darkness way more than normally. It's harsh they only give 50% too.

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I like glass cannon gameplay though.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I just did a run, ofc prio on health bonus like you....and I had massive buffs to my special (heroic demeter rank 5 + 2 chaos boons for 150% total extra). It worked out fine...but why am I punished for 1 ability that I (and everyone else) hardly use?

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It just seems weird

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One of my gripes with the game, and I have so few 😄

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Really? I spam the spin in many fights with Divine Strike.

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With Quick Spin and Attack Speed, you can spam it indefinitely and just stay within its deflect radius.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 5:12 AM

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So...hammer + hermspeed + boon for it to be viable?

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Nah, that's just the best combo. It's still good without it.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 5:14 AM

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I'd love to see that, let me know if there's a video of you playing with it....or anyone

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Maybe when my new GPU is here I'll make a video. I'm far from the best player though.

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Poseidon > Dionysus > Demeter > Aphrodite. This is gonna be a good run.

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Huh, I can't believe I lost with all of that. https://imgur.com/a/pyaN3wy

Imgur

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Everything except for Hades was a breeze.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 6:46 AM

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lvl 10 aphro special with GY, 150 hp(!!), and you lost on 9 heat? That is crazy.

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 6:48 AM

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No extra dashes hurts.

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 6:51 AM

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"I put Zagreus on the surface, and I told Hades 'Deal with it.'"

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"And then Zagreus took Risky Reflex, and Hades said 'No.'"

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 7:04 AM

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I was trying out something new: going for early Poseidon with Olympian Legacy, God's Chosen, and Fated Authority.

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For early Duo Boons.

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Sorry, I just mean that Hades is kind of specifically strong against Risky Reflex.

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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I think I either need to use Authority aggressively early on to get Exclusive Access asap or use Greater Reflex instead of Ruthless.

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Hermes was only offering common boons. That hurts.

turbid needle May 5, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Ouch.

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Also avoid Hermes until I get Exclusive Access.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 8:22 AM

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It do be like that sometimes

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I remember loosing with a hunting blades kit once
Pretty embarassing ngl

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 8:36 AM

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It took me like 5-6 runs of actively trying for the blades build to get the boon

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But once I finally did...I done did it good

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Yeah those things are nuts
Especially if you can get blender boons

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 8:58 AM

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I got +1 cast and +60% cast dmg from chaos

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Only thing missing was Ares/Artemis legendary boons

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I find Hades phase 1 a lot more difficult than phase 2.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Yeah he can mess your patterns around when he goes invisible/invincible

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I think 50% of the time I use my max-call when he's invincible

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Yeah he loves turning invisible during those

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Phase two is mostly a mad run to see which one of the two depletes the other’s health bar

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:06 AM

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I try to not use it in phase 1 for that reason.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Imo two is more intense but one has plenty headaches

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God i hate the beams

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Phase 2 with Aphrodite's Aid is thoroughly entertaining.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:07 AM

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If all bosses are upgraded - I lose most HP/DD on the hydra cause lava hurts me bad, but the duo-gang can also take a DD or 2 from me

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Big papa I can clear with 1 almost always

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But I like having 2 spare lives

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Guan Yu spin not going through pillars/rocks anymore makes Hades a lot harder with the aspect.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Yeah, you never know when the beam is going to surprise you from behind a pillar

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:10 AM

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I'm gonna give GY another run soon but go for attack boons instead of special, see if I can make the spin work when needed.

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I'd only used Divine Strike on GY since the patch, so I didn't really notice that hurting so much vs Hades.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Athena would be #1 with that aspect, but I'd be fine with Aphro I assume

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:12 AM

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The difference between the two is still huge though.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Yea, I can imagine how deflect will save some zag-ass with a spin

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:15 AM

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After that run earlier, I wouldn't want to use GY without Divine Strike. Really hard to get any attacks off vs Hades. I find even the Special has too much startup.

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I had Lv.10 Heartbreak Flourish and that anti-armor hammer, and I had trouble breaking the armor of his summons. Took like 3 hits; but since they don't get stunned, the slow startup hurt.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I use skelly on the adds there, and nuke hard

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I cleared him on heat-6 with GY using the special rank 5 demeter + posi knockback

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But it's low damage comapred to other builds I do

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So seems silly to lose 50% hp for that

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The load-up time is too slow indeed

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I'm gonna try an attack build just to see if that works

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Oh Skelly could help. I've still never used anything but Battie lol.

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I think you can't force either, gotta see what hammers you get.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:22 AM

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I'm gonna stick to skelly until I go pure-farm and hopefully manage to get sisy's pet then

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Cause skelly actually saves my life and can be used xD

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The issue with hammers is, you can't reroll them 😦

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I really wish they'd open that up to the roll as well

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might be too good though

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gotta keep some RNG

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I kinda like that you can't.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:23 AM

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yea

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:23 AM

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My Malphon runs would all look the same otherwise lol.

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But without rerolls, I use the uppercut a lot more in some runs. It's fun.

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Only need a couple more Titan Bloods to get one of the other two Malphon aspects to Lv.5.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:26 AM

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My weakest weapon is the bow, and that's because I don't like the charge-attack...so if I could make it so that I start with regular attack hammer that would improve my gameplay a lot with it

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I really hate that I can't assure that

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Other weapons I don't mind so much

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Shield with hammer is just a swordbow

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Like, I enjoy not controlling some mechanics

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:26 AM

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I think the bow is the weakest weapon for a lot of people.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I use my shield as any other melee, tried the chaos-form a few times but once more I hate the charge-up required for that to activate

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I love the zag-form, 10% dmg reduction stronk

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Power Shot imo should do a lot more damage by default for how slow it is, and maybe it should have better range without needing to charge for so long.

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:28 AM

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The bow's special seem kinda lackluster imo

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:28 AM

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That too.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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The bow's special is fine with Chiron it seems, and for me that's the only way to use the bow (but not Chiron cuz then I need to attack first)

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But it is weak as a stand-alone

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I use even that as a melee, and go with zeus/dio

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for maximum ticks

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stand up close, spam special and dash

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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I can never beat TD1 with the bow, but I beat TD2 with Malphon consistently.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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but that's why it is my weakest weapon

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TD1?

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Tight Deadline.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:30 AM

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OH!

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I kinda wish 1 aspect had the regular attack form

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Instead of a hammer

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Probably zag-form, and reduce the crit

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I dunno

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Or give me that crit to all damage done

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Or something QQ

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Sniper Shot is weak imo because enemies need to be too far to make it practical.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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I never even bother trying that, when I get a hammer it's either going for specials or it just sits there doing nothing xD

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How far do they need to be?

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Says "farther than 650". I think it's basically the edge of your screen.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Nah, 350 is a blast-radius of like...a festive fog

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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I very nearly lost but i'm actually really happy with this run
I met Hades a bit pessimistic, only had my skelly death defiance and 70 health because of some mistakes at theseus and styx - but with some slower paced play and predicting his attacks I came out on top :D

https://imgur.com/GSB30Vh

Imgur

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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so 650 is twice that

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Also can we just agree athena is the best of the gods?
Dash or attack makes runs so much better

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Still a lot though. Most enemies are closer than that, especially when you need to sit still before a shot.

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Explosive Shot making charge slower is too much imo.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Athena is consensus top tier, Artemis for speed clears I imagine sits next to her

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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All im sayin is, Artemis is hotter than aphrodite

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Nice boons there Magpie

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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that is all

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Artemis is cuter

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Aphro is way hotter

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I like my nerd girls same as anyone, but a good flirt is way hotter than tsundere

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Design wise tho

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Design wise Aphro doesn't show too much 😉

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I vote change aphrodite's art to cover up half her face too to get that alluring sadako feel

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:39 AM

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I think Aphro's pose is just less alluring than it could be

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But for me pink hair + good flirt wins out

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Surprisingly i actually really like zues dash so I often take that if i run into him

The extra damage whilst dodging can be very helpful

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:39 AM

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It's a close call, nanda

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Zeus dash is great for the jolt as well

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Good damage and status-curse

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Just saying but Ares is actually the best looking

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Magpie, if you like the dash damage

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100% go for posi every time

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That's easy 50 damage per dash

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Madness

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:41 AM

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I did that last time i did a run and yeah i really liked it - but i still prefer zues for the jolt

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Man that jolt so good

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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But for me pink hair + good flirt wins out
Ho boi youd like darling in the fraanx

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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On anything except bosses though the knockback extra damage from the walls is crazy though

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I watched Darling, like 10 episodes

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I don't want to hear any bad word about Lady Aphrodite. dusa 🗡️

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Gonna do hades aspect spear next - any suggestions for good boons?

Might go for dionysis as hes probably my least used god, maybe ares for aesthetic

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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It was too similar to other shows for my liking

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But i had fun with it

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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also ive noticed youve correctly spaced my name as Nanda instead of Nand, even though it doesnt seem like a portmanteau

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squint

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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I mean, Japanese is Japanese

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AMIRITE

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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=_=

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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@grave compass - that spin is hard to use proper

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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A good boon for Hades Aspect is one that turns it into anything but Hades Aspect.

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Aha - but i still want to try it

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I think your best bet would be athena for the deflect, maybe you can time it well

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I thought dionysus would be more used because of all this aoe builds ive been hearing

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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And if you want Dio - go for the cast

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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aphrodite sucks

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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yeah the bomb

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I love dio with fists or railgun, and of course anything cast-related

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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the auto aim kinda makes it a bit painful

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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don't @ me

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I don't play with a controller

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Shes cool for her explosion thing

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Blocked. dusa 🗡️

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I don't see why you'd play with the controller...

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Why would you?

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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i dont play with a controller

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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So what auto aim?

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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it auto locks on for me on mouse

grave compass May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Might just go aphro attack poseidon special if i can

Might get lucky and get an early duo

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:45 AM

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huhhhh?

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You can't aim your bombs?

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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when i hold right click it follows an enemy unit

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maybe theres an option

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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There's an aim-assist, maybe turn that off

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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yeah

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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But I think mine is turned on

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Dionysus depends. The cast is great on every aspect, attack and special depend largely on the weapon.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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And it isn't locked

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I can aim...

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That is really odd

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Chaos Shield + Drunken Flourish is amazing.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I can't use chaos shield and I got it maxxed out QQ

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Hurts my soul cause i love captain america builds

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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You can't?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I just suck

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Oh.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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lol

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I can't use anything that requires me to load an attack

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If I have to stand in place I die

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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protip: charge while facing at your enemy

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I cleared the game on heat 8 with it, but it was way slower than my usual runs

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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So basically what im hearing is the perfect build is

Attack- Poseidon

Special- Zeus

Cast - Dionysus

Dodge - Athena

Neutral - Aphrodite

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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You can't die standing in place though. It blocks everything.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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You can if they do anything behind you

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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yeah, shield's slower than the other weapons even if it's generally cooler to use

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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the bull of minos just runs around me

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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then aim their way

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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But there's more than 1 enemy usually

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That's the thing

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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@west totem perfect build for what?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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I'm bad at positioning 🙂

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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well that blows

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Yea

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Just

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perfection

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Any bow aspect + chaos shield aspect are my weak points

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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yeah, i feel ya there not too good with the bow either

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Pfft who needs specification when you can be a jack of all trades

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what am i, an olympic god?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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xD

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I feel I'm good with anything except the bow though

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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i think exagryph and the bow are the only weapons i haven't completed a run with

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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And that one aspect

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I mean...good enough for heat 10+

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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@west totem why not do both
be apollo

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Duuuuude, Exagryph rocks!!!!!

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go for special

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forget the shots

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unless u get burst-shot 50 dmg thingy

west totem May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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dang they dont have my favorite god hephaestus

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I wish they did

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Hephaestus builder-boons

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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yeah, heph is not ingame
probably won't be either sadly

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Could also just get Zeus attack on Exagryph and hold your attack button down.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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gimme more of those lazer-beams

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nanananananan

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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yeah, i've always wanted to try zeus exagryph but he never gives me attack when i use the blasted thing

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Exa was made for that speciallllllllll

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#Trust

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If you suck at it just go special mode

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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i actually use both the special and the main attack in tandem

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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the shooting mechanic is cool with the right hammers, but the special is cool with ANY hammer

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Zeus keepsake + Persuasion.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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i generally launch the rocket and soften the enemies up while the thing lands
also i tried the signet
sadly guaranteed boons doesn't mean you'll get the one you'll want
it do be like that sometimes

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Are you using the 60% dmg bonus aspect?

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Cause that's the move baby

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I SWEAR

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Even if you suck like me, it's too stronk

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so much burst

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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i actually don't have that many drops of blood sadly

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plus i'm mostly busy investing in spoopy eye shield so that's drinccing all of me blood

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I 100% recommend, no skill required

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Use 1 persuasion the first time you see him, and then another the second and third time if you must. The odds of not seeing his attack boon at that point are extremely low.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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One of those weapons you can face-tank bosses with cuz burst is so good with decent hammers

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I mean, zeus attack or dio attack, both work wonderfully

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ALSO

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you can go for posi attack and zeus duo

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that might just be the best move

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:54 AM

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what if i told you
I generally don't like using persuasion

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I did a fist run with posi attack and zeus duo

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insane burst

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I imagine the gun would be the same

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fast attacks and all

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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what does that do?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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and the knockback is better on the gun

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posi attack knocks them back, zeus duo with posi is +40 dmg on each attack

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Still doesn't change that it really improves the odds of getting the boon you want. Your choice of course. dusa

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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so fast attacks means mad dmg

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and the gun is fast

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but ofc, you'd need to use the right keepsakes to make sure u land that duo

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but that duo isnt that hard to get i feel

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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I don't think Drunken Strike is that good on Exagryph. Only stacks 5 times anyway.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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posi attack -> zeus call or dash -> get duo ASAP

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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So all those extra hits don't do anything.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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I mean, 5 times for a constant tick of 50 is not bad...

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but yea zeus is the way, or posi-zeus

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Also...combine that with aphro special

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or aphro dash

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and get 8 stacks

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cray cray

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 9:57 AM

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It's 20~35 per tick depending on rarity at Lv.1.

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For 5 stacks.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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I mean, I usually get rare+ and rank 2-3

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by the time i'm done in elysium

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i'm all for the posi-zeus build though

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I think that's the best dmg potential for the single-shots

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50% extra dmg + knockback + 40 dmg extra

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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https://prnt.sc/sb72h2I burned hades with this build, was fun

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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sounds crazy

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Oh yea Cael

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Looks sick

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stand in the fog and let them clog

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melikey

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Yeah, was just missing the Aphro/Dio duo

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And would have been perfect

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Nice.

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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But no luck

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Now do it again with TD2. dusa

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Soon c:

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I haven't lost in a while now

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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I'm not touching TD2 atm, I hate those timers

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:02 AM

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So I'm pushing heat, but it takes time

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:02 AM

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TD1 is at least easy enough until Elysium

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But I like exploring the world 😦

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:02 AM

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TD2 is free heat for me at the moment with Malphon.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:02 AM

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TD2 should be free for me too if I don't explore at all in Elysium and pick some shop-rooms

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But I skip all shops usually

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:02 AM

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I skip shops too.

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Unless I really need something from it.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Isn't Elysium really tight then?

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I usually end it with 2mins to spare at best

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Maybe I should skip the troves

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And get free TD2 as well

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Haven't tried TD1 yet

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Hmmm not really. On really bad runs I might run out of time vs the heroes, but I can still finish them off before running out of DDs.

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Prob should give it a try

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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I skip troves, yeah.

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Unless I really need the healing from one.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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TD1 is really just free points except for Elysium in which case you'll need to actually try

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Yeah, I suppose

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM

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But TD1 in the first 2 acts leaves me with 4mins to spare while looking around

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Like...literally hanging around

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Would be better if it was an overall timer and not a per zone timer x)

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:05 AM

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I'll try Elysium with TD2 tomorrow

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Haha yes it would've been

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But 28mins would be an easy run at any point

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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True

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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TD1 30 mins total, TD2 20mins?

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Sounds fun

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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You need to make sure you kill all those shades asap in Elysium before they resurrect. That's priority #1. Anytime one resurrects, you lose precious seconds.

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I usually clear in 16~20 minutes at the moment with Malphon.

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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But idk, I like going fast, I don't like being forced to go fast

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I'm 20-25 with all weapons, but I explore and trove them all

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I hate going fast QQ

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Plume is my favorite keepsake, cuz dodge so good for me, but I hate it too

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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I can prob do 20min with low heat with all weapons but bow and spear

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I haven't actually tried to go fast yet

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Like, really fast

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still trying to git gud for now x)

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:08 AM

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same

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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EM2 + TD2 alone is 8 heat.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Aha! Epic zeus attack boon

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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I'm confused

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Finally

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Nice one! Go go!

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Just got something in the admin chamber and I got a line to go see the contractor, but there is nothing new

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Should show up after your next clear/less-fortunate return to the House of Hades.

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Ah, okey c:

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:13 AM

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When in doubt, that always seems to work.

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Ah yeah okey

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Just got another line from zagreus that it will take sometimes to show up

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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One clear baby

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Then you can help people unite

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Maybe it might be subject to Underworld Renovations™️ and it might not be in yet

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I WANT MY SISY PET

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Time to try TD1 I guess

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I can't get that dialogue

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I still only have the skelly pet :c

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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skelly is best i feel, for 'progress'

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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I don't even remember to use it

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:/

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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soaking that crucial damage allowing you to nuke

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Just pop it once on each boss

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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But yeah, it's pretty good

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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if you got it capped

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Nah, it's level 1

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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oh

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Could level it, I guess

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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so just swap a keybind

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Wdym ?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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put it on a bind you use more often than 1 or w/e the default is

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i got it on one of my mouse keys

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to make sure i use it

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Ah

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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TD1 with what weapon?

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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took me like 10 runs to start using it all the time

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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On my mouse too

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TD1 with Arthur aspect

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I think

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Arthur is sick

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GET IT BOIIII

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Isn't Arthur pretty slow?

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Big damage

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:18 AM

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It's slow moving, but not slow clearing

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I do 30%+ plume runs with it

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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It is but it hits like a truck and dashes don’t interrupt its combo

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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And if I can get double nova, sword is OP anyway

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I got my first TD1 with Poseidon Aspect and True Shot. That was easy.

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Plus if you get hermes’ attack speed boon excalibut turns pretty nuts

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I haven't even bought poseidon

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Should really try it one of these days, but I really don't have enough blood x)

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Pro tip to unlock aspects, SAVE DAT MONEH

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buy them at styx

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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eeeeeh

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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I think I doubled my blood income

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Idk, it's just not very fun

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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That's fair

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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I bought blood once I think

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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I like the challenge of saving money all the way to styx

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Really depends if I get a gold boon from chaos

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:21 AM

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I use golden touch for that 15% bonus on each act

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Ends up netting me 200-300g normally

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can go higher ofc

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Well, if the goal is to save for styx

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It's good

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:21 AM

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oh yea

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Otherwise, meh

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:21 AM

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but even if the goal isn't blood

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I feel saving for styx is a good move

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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I'll go back to trying some early-coins eventually

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but for now still farming bloodz

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I capped all the weapons I wanted to at least

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all aspects that is

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Hmm, wonder which boons I wanna start with Arthur

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Prob Athena or Artemis

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:22 AM

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aphro just as swell I feel

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that 90% extra dmg boon

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Eeeeeh

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I guess, yeah

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On the special, would be nice

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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nonono i mean on attack bra

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Yey, double nova 3rd room

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Ok so I just did the maths

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artemis is 56% increase at the base lvl

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and aphro 50%

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so pretty close

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but good to know artemis beats her

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did not realize

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but i feel the weak wins out on that 6%

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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hey guys, quick question, so for im kinda new on the game hahaha, so wanted to know, at the temple of styx you could buy blood? i never saw blood for sell over there xD

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Oh...but

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at higher rarity

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Aphro deals more dmg

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crit included ofc

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Like, when it's 2x on epic (100% extra for aphro, 40% for art)

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average dmg for aphro would be 200 (from 100) and art would be 186

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@blissful field - yea you can buy blood there

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but it can also be a diamond

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its random

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one or the other

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its 1000 gold for a diamond, 1500 for blood

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:28 AM

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😮 I c good to know hahaha, i was star to calculate how to get more blood xD to unlock all xD hahhaa

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Honestly the best way is to progress the game, slowly but surely

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But yea, save that gold up to Styx, put a coin purse in act 1 maybe

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Go for some gold rooms

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Should be very doable with 15% extra gold talent

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

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i got all the blood from killing meg with all the weapons

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great, thanks!!

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Oh so you didn't clear the temple? ^^

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

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hmmmm xD no jhahaha

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i think hahaha

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Once you clear it you'll find out more ways to get blood!

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

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i just reached hades

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nevr killed him xD

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Alright, good luck ❤️

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:31 AM

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thanks!! ill need it hahaha

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:31 AM

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use dash to avoid big damage, it makes you immune for a very short while

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I'm sure you can do iiitttttt

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Artemis attack per se is relatively weak at higher rarity. It benefits more from additional +% attack bonuses than other attack boons, though.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:33 AM

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hmmmmm, does it?

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Let me see

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I imagine they are all additive with each other

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:33 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/607371564?collection=bK-Z7bzGBhYUtw
this was the furthest i ever reached with hades fight xD hahaha T_T @lethal crane

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lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:34 AM

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so if i get a chaos boon for 50% it adds up to the 90% from aphro or 40% from art

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like, they all are based on the original 100 (or w/e) dmg

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Artemis's attack can crit.

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[sum of flat dmg] × [1 + sum of % bonus dmg] × [1 + sum of % crit dmg]

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At common rarity, Aphrodite's and Artemis's attack add effectively the same damage. At higher rarities, Artemis falls behind.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Yea yea

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I see now

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Artemis picks up if you get extra dmg on your base dmg

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from other sources

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Interesting indeed

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:37 AM

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That's just the attack boon per se.

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Yeah.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:37 AM

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If you get chaos boons or some hammers

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But honestly I feel I'll usually go for the sustain of aphro

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cause i prefer weak than any artemis boons

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30% (or more) dmg reduction, and a status curse on single target as well as any aoe

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:38 AM

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They have good synergy anyway.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:38 AM

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for my playstyle that wins out

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but for a speed run

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defo artemis

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Now I see why people take her

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forgot the other boons added to that artemis baseline

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like, at 50% extra base dmg from other boons artemis already wins out

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compared to aphro

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so if you get that to 100% or more

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Lady Aphrodite is still in every way the bestest Goddess.

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Objectively speaking.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I agree

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

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<--very objective person

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I mean...I am her Godling and all

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https://tenor.com/view/mermaid-ocean-seashells-lady-pretty-gif-15874043

Tenor

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Technically venus

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But that works, right?

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Same same

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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I disagree xD i prefeeer artemis than aphrodite xD

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Blocked.

west totem May 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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He knows whats right

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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hahaha

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:44 AM

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For both gameplay and romance purposes:

Aphro
Art
Athena

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Either way it's a triple A game

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I'd put Ares up there if you're into same-sex flings as well

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:45 AM

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😮 for me ill go first art then athena and for last aphro

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same way gameplay and romance xD

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i like hunters and warriors xD

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:45 AM

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I'm a lover, not a fighter, but I'll make you weak

blissful field May 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

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hahahaha

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Few people know this, but in Ancient Greek canon Lady Aphrodite is my girlfriend.

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This is all very gameplay related.

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Are you, maybe, a nymph?

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:47 AM

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I am so very sorry to hear that
I will always remember you

west totem May 5, 2020, 10:51 AM

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APHRODITE IS A THOT

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:(

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 10:53 AM

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I should test my Twin Fists on some of these people here sometime. Very punchable faces. dusa

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:56 AM

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~~athotdite~~

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:57 AM

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You have my sword

pliant palm May 5, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Elysium with 2:11 left, not too bad for a 1st TD1 try

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:57 AM

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And my axe except not really because there’s not an axe infernal arm
where’s my Asterius aspect axe supergiant

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Aphrodite is an honest lover, she likes seeing us happy in good relationships and wants to meet us

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Aphrodite also literally caused the trojan war

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And cursed a guy because he didn’t want to fall in love

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Yea...which gave us Achilles

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She da best music

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 10:59 AM

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~~ackshually achilles already had a rep during that~~

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Nono...she gave US Achilles

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He dead now with us

pale roost May 5, 2020, 11:00 AM

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and in directly killed him by causing the trojan war

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Also... Athena was involved in that

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And Artemis always kills randoms with boars

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A legendary war is worth it

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Yes, but at least athena offered him something moderately less harmful like being really really good at strategy

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Not a fling that caused greek world war I

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 11:02 AM

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What's wrong with starting the Trojan war or killing some guy because he didn't want to fall in love? Sounds perfectly fine to me.

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I'm 1000% behind her decisions.

blissful field May 5, 2020, 11:03 AM

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i prefeer the boards kills xD, hahaha

lethal crane May 5, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Not Aphrodite's fault that Paris wants love like all of us

blissful field May 5, 2020, 11:03 AM

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boars*

neon fiber May 5, 2020, 11:03 AM

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It was less love and more “woohoo most beautiful woman in the greek worl”

cunning urchin May 5, 2020, 11:04 AM

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So like.

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True love.