but my max is only 3 so far, though 🙂
#h1-builds-and-combat
restive widget
kind fiber
I haven;t really run low heat
soft pine
my advice, start getting used to Benefits Package, Forced Overtime, and Extreme Measures.
kind fiber
I'd probably be sure to pick some minimums so that everything isn't pitifully easy
flat brook
if it fits your playstyle, getting used to 7 minutes tight deadline and 40% forced overtime will give you free heat forever
soft pine
40% forced overtime makes demeter a NECESSITY
just another thing to love about ice wine
kind fiber
Nah, you can do runs without Demeter on 40% overtime. But she is very solid
restive widget
then I guess I'm good enough for "pitifully easy" @kind fiber
thanks, @flat brook 🙂 I'll have a go
soft pine
I dunno, those benefit-packaged meth-head witches suck bad enough without any forced overtime
kind fiber
Which witches?
The spread shot witches?
I've seen some annoying spread shot witches with the random benefits from benefits package
neon fiber
get athena's boons
problem solved
kind fiber
Yeah, thats right
But god, trying to kite around hordes of homing projectiles is annoying
naive laurel
kiting also hurts time too should u go for TD
I think I have had time running out in elysium 2 chambers before boss once
I survived for a whole 3 mins
cursed strike helped
neon fiber
use arthur
slam a nova aura and grab the athena attack boon
enjoy playing projectile tennis
soft pine
@kind fiber even the ones in tartarus that shoot 3 balls in a line can suck with benefits enabled, they move super fast and shoot super fast.
kind fiber
Thats what I meant by spreadshot witches lol
Yeah, there are some annoying setups with benefits package
kind fiber
Eh, thats far less annoying than alot of other setups
At least they aren't invulnerable
naive laurel
in the smallest room in tart
flat brook
duplicating extra health louts
kind fiber
Best Athena boon
red wharf
I really enjoy when numbskulls are teleporting and given a extra heart to each other
soft pine
I would hazard that deflect dash is the best boon in the game
kind fiber
Well, its certainly one of the best defensive boons
As an example, hunting blades are also pretty good
flat brook
ice wine is the best dash in the game
naive laurel
oh, imagine duplicating hitters, but they are so many that they cannot even summon duplicated selfs
i have to kill some for them to summon
neon fiber
Imo poseidon dash is better if you can handle your way around projectiles
naive laurel
the WALLBANG build
soft pine
WALLBANGSPLOOSH*
naive laurel
poseidon dash sea storm might be what i eventually need to try w/
neon fiber
poseidon dash meme builds are one hell of a drug
naive laurel
Seriously tho, It feels like it has carry potential
dio dash is my current fav already as it's dmg potential, but it prob can't carry since stack has limits
seastorm poseidon dash might just be enough dmg to get hades
soft pine
Only trouble is you need to have some kind of viable DPS alternative to use for bosses. that +30% knockdown boon damage to bosses is a band-aid, and kind of a crap one.
naive laurel
oh, the dmg prob would come from the seastorm and jolted
soft pine
ehhhh
naive laurel
quint dash
soft pine
you'd probably have to pick up some high voltage/double strike/splitting bolt to make that work and even then it would be pretty slow
soft pine
if you cram in some demeter then you can scint+ice wine and kill hades with that
naive laurel
true shot time
soft pine
but every time I've tried to fit poseidon into a demeter/dio/zeus run I always wind up short one or two crucial boons by the end
when it works it's amazeballs
soft pine
but when it doesn't, it's kind of weak
soft pine
I don't care for posi on rail attack personally, it pushes them out of range too often
posi dash works best
naive laurel
it also kinda works with wallbang water boon
naive laurel
soft pine
well maybe not Tisiphone
naive laurel
poseidon 32 is prob what imma do later
but 2bh, it prob will turn into blizzard shot eventually
On that note, maybe I shouldn't bank on icewine too much
soft pine
blizzard shot is pretty sweet, only got it once though. I don't run posi that much
spare zealot
Whenever I run Poseidon, maybe 75% of the time it's purely to make Styx easy
naive laurel
poseidon cast is actually pretty good dmg
plus mass aoe and knockback, helps keeps safe distance and wait for cast regen
1 cast stone trippy shot kills me a lot
yeah, on hindsight, prob should start the achilles 32 w/ poseidon
his duo boons are bonkers too
naive laurel
spare zealot
I got trolled with it last week
naive laurel
Getting exclusive access might just win me a run
neon fiber
Especially since i still had no idea how to fish when i got it
spare zealot
he gave it to me at the start of the run, I sold it for 450 bucks
honestly not terrible
neon fiber
lol
naive laurel
in styx i presume :p
seriously tho, sweet nectar and exclusive access is great not just cuz of the lasting effect
it's also cuz u can see it very late game and get that extra oomph
soft pine
that's aphro/posi I think, makes poms boost 2 levels instead of 1
it's good if you get it early on, past asphodel your chances of being able to boost something you care about go way down
naive laurel
actually
it's +1 lvl
so the better poms gives +3
also, that's where persuasion comes in
:p
rerolling pom choices is also viable strat, getting that lvl 7 dio special
Actually, maybe sweet nectar dio run is something I also need to go for
flat brook
run idea: super tank arthur. Need aphro, dio and athena
Athena: bronze skin
Dio: positive outlook + high tolerance
Aphro: different league + attack
just stay in the aura, apply weak and see how much you can tank 
naive laurel
Been there
15 dmg per hades spin
60 labor
ez tanking ez life
don't forget to equip bracer
flat brook
true
if my math is correct and all boons are epic, that's an 82% damage reduction
below 40% health
naive laurel
I don't have high tolerance that game
And I have cursed strike
literally lifestealing It back right after he dmgs me
lvl....2 different league? Iirc
And the sec I drop below 40% I start lifestealing faster than he dmgs me Iirc
problem with high tolerance Imo, is how repetitive u need to apply It
takes away valuable time when u can be attacking
flat brook
but if you have ice wine, reapplying it is no problem
naive laurel
cast animation still kinda takes time
spare zealot
It's honestly an aspect I wouldn't use until maxed lol
tepid ridge
I agree, especially on any upgraded heat.
marsh pawn
less reduction is a odd therm
soft pine
Guan Yu is my spirit animal.
flat brook
Either ice wine or chaos shield is op
I have found out that chaos shield is the true op, after losing brutally at 40 heat with bow and rail
kind fiber
@low patio Additional dashes is one of the best Hermes boons. When you take it, you are far less vulnerable and can avoid attacks much better.
woeful maple
so i checked the wiki and it says you can get the exit wounds artemis perk so long as you dont have slicing shot(area), trippy shot(dionysus), or crystal beam(demeter), but can you get it using stygian soul(the mirror perk where you autoregen gem after a period of time)?
ive been trying to get that perk for forever, taking artemis keepsake and using rerolls but havent seen it even trying both
unkempt pagoda
you can, casts still come out of enemies with stygian soul on
woeful maple
okay cool
ty
do slows stack? like if you have demeter chill and the hammer upgrade for gun that slows in the target radius
or does it just apply whatever one is strongest
sand sorrel
Hi guys. I recently got a boon (?) from the Daedalus Hammer that healed me for 2 HP for every attack i hit an enemy with. Does anyone know how rare it is, because i would very much like it again?
sand sorrel
Thanks. It was just so OP that i had to ask.
solid cairn
Guan yu epic
low patio
@low patio Additional dashes is one of the best Hermes boons. When you take it, you are far less vulnerable and can avoid attacks much better.
@kind fiber Hahaha, I hesitated to just begin a conversation here instead of adding a feedback x)
marsh pawn
serrated edge is ridiculously
cunning urchin
Ruthless Reflex + extra dashes is amazing.
marsh pawn
its a eraser
woeful maple
serrated edge with excalibur is insane
low patio
But I guess it shows it just depends on playstyle and I should try harder to learn how to play with extra dashes :x
marsh pawn
serrated edge + artemis dash
woeful maple
i tend to mash my dashes almost all of the time
one extra one doesnt throw me off much
but 3 does
low patio
Exactly
woeful maple
like im used to mashing dashes, and going one forward and one back to circle enemies
also, im not sure of this, but when i have a bunch of movespeed, it feels faster than dashing
there was one run where i had +30 from hermes, +30 from keepsake, and +3 dashes
and it was weird because dashing was slower to traverse distance than just running
cunning urchin
Dashes have invincibility, running does not.
low patio
Not sure but sometimes yeah I had extra quickness (Zagreus-Stygius + hermes + bought from shop) and it felt like WHOAAAA
woeful maple
i mean yes, i understand why theyre still useful
but it feels weird when in terms just traversing distance
my run is faster
cunning urchin
I've had that too, but I find too high movement speed actually disadvantageous. Easy to accidentally run past cover and such.
cunning urchin
lol just watched it.
low patio
It's insane
I've had that too, but I find too high movement speed actually disadvantageous. Easy to accidentally run past cover and such.
@cunning urchin Would you agree then that high speed post-dash is sort of a cursed Boon ? '-'
(though I understand your point of view on multiple dashes I have yet to find usefulness in the post-dash sudden speed burst other than messing with your reflexes)
cunning urchin
Hmm. I actually like Drift Dash. If I remember correctly, my first Lv.1 Guan Yu clear I relied on that a lot vs [redacted].
I think I'd usually pick that over Greater Haste.
Well, I probably wouldn't pick it if I already have +3 or +4 extra dashes.
The one I almost never pick is Quick Recovery, though there have been some occasions were it was quite nice.
woeful maple
i take quick recovery if its a higher tier, like 3/40 percent
cunning urchin
Highest priority for me in most builds are Greater Evasion and Greatest Reflex.
Greatest Reflex at #1 since I pretty much always use Ruthless Reflex now. Don't wanna fight ||Hades|| with just one dash.
primal sigil
what other features are going into the game for the next update?
neon fiber
yes
soft pine
does Double Strike affect Scintillating Feast?
neon fiber
i have no idea
spare zealot
Something I never really figured out, you get a status effect when ||Hades throws a skull|| at you. Does it do anything besides make the edges of your screen green?
neon fiber
You take double damage iirc
soft pine
oh dang
neon fiber
Or at least more damage
soft pine
it sure as hell does
spare zealot
oh damn
neon fiber
That i’ve noticed
So try not to get hit when your screen is being haunted by Monster™️
Because it hurts
soft pine
I think the skulls give the same debuff as boiling blood the mirror trait gives, which is 40$
%
neon fiber
I’m talking 80 damage hurt
Or so
As any savvy player might know
80 damage is indeed a lot of hurt
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's his cast. There's a Boiling Blood text pop-up when you get hit with it too.
woeful maple
his cast also stacks
so if you get hit by 2 of them
the big aoe spear attack normally does 40. with 1 stack its 80. with 2 its 120
soft pine
he ought to get the debuff if you reflect it back in his stupid face
the contractor always has a ! mark above his head but doesn't have any new work orders. 8 |
woeful maple
did you check each category and scroll down?
soft pine
yep
cunning urchin
Check again, and report a bug if you can't find anything.
soft pine
I accidentally wasted 3 diamonds on a song and it went away. hehe
round summit
now that's actually sad
woeful maple
im gonna buy all those songs eventually
neon fiber
This is so sad Orpheus play despacito
woeful maple
can you ||fish in the spot where you fight hades?|| spoiler
cunning urchin
There's no such thing as wasting Diamonds on a Hades song. It's always an excellent investment.
You can't.
woeful maple
dang
the ||fishing|| is gonna be the death of me, trying to get all the rare ones and whatnot
soft pine
that's a spoiler?
soft pine
would hate to spoil an ||infuriating mini-game that requires you to react in .29 seconds||...
mossy breach
good luck trying to ||catch rare fish in chaos||
flat brook
i have 130 clears and have yet to find a fishing spot in chaos 😦
mossy breach
i've seen it once too, but I had the poseidon fishing boon
woeful maple
the ||legendary fish|| are gonna take forever....
i only just found out there are fishing spots in chaos
soft pine
I think they call Than Death Incarnate coz he triples monster spawns wherever he goes. :eyeroll:
whenever I see him in elysium I want to scream, "YOU'RE NOT HELPING!"
oooh, chaos wants to trade me +69% more foes in Elysium for another bloodstone. I have ice wine. HMMMMMMMM
spare zealot
me, picking a chaos boon with an enemy amount increase
Than, in the next chamber: hello
soft pine
right?
woeful maple
enemy amount increases dnt bother me much
soft pine
I just saw him a little while ago so he shouldn't bother me again this run
woeful maple
i just cant take take dmg on atk
soft pine
I just hope I get a patroclus room, gonna need it
spare zealot
I usually don't mind enemy amount ups but when I'm running a lot of hard labor heat.... it gets a lot harder
woeful maple
ye
soft pine
wow, Talos Malphon makes the elite soulcatcher encounter in Elysium trivial.
woeful maple
talos malphon?
tepid ridge
^^Unlockable aspect of the ||fist weapon||
woeful maple
what does it do? i have them i just dont remember names
turbid needle
Special pulls in one enemy.
turbid needle
They also take additional Attack and Cast damage for 4 seconds.
woeful maple
yep
you get that
the hammer upgrade that whenver you kill with special heal
then go to chaos as much as possible for special dmg upgrades
turbid needle
woeful maple
123k darkness 
static moon
imho depending on the weapon i'd do Dash if near attack and Attack speed if I'm using range!
woeful maple
hmm?
rich cedar
Just timed out on final boss and had to try to kill him in 3 DD
static moon
ah didn't the person ask for what one would pick? did i misunderstand haha
static moon
Dang sorry to hear feel ya buddy
neon fiber
greatest reflex
also that bouldy bonus sucks, i guess bouldy didn't believe in you that much
soft pine
got a double-god room, dio and demeter, rerolled both, no ice wine. wth
turbid needle
Duos cannot spawn in Trials.
static moon
wow really? has that been confirmed? I feel like I've had it in trials before
is it only for the two gods you are against?
So you wouldn't get a duo for the two god's you are comparing but you can get Dio-Zeus duo boon?
^for example
soft pine
talos + ice wine + lvl 5 epic trippy shot = 2-shotting hydra heads. XD
static moon
niceee
soft pine
it's doing 555 damage if you do talos special beforehand
got scint feast now it's doing 704 dmg. I pwned Asterius and Theseus in less than a minute.
woeful maple
whats the biggest single hit y'all have gotten?
soft pine
with shield of chaos, minotaur rush, charged shot and artemis attack, with a couple chaos attack boons, I was critting for about 1600
turbid needle
If you dealt more damage in a single hit than a boss had left in a given phase plus what they had in the next, they would immediately skip to the next phase.
Like hitting the phase 1 Hydra for something like 5k or more in a single hit would cause it to spawn all 9 heads at once.
It used to happen over a year ago with the bow, but I discovered boss skips in August with Aphrodite's Aid.
soft pine
Okay, I got this shit down to a science.
Malphon, Talos aspect.
Tartarus: Bring Dio keepsake, get Trippy Shot, Pom the absolute crap out of it and hopefully get lucky and pick up a Demeter or Zeus attack/special/call and a chaos +cast or +bloodstone.
Asphodel: Bring Demeter keepsake, get Ice Wine (I normally find it on the party barge). Continue to show preference to Zeus/Dio/Hermes, and see if you can get an Athena dash and High Tolerance. Try not to pick up any extraneous boons you don't need so Eurydice's Ambrosia will have a better chance of upgrading Trippy Shot.
Elysium: Bring Zeus keepsake, your mission is to get Scint Feast and Jolted. Ignore hammers, there's only one decent hammer upgrade for Malphon and you don't really need it. Try to get one of Hermes' T2 boons to give you a shot at Bad News in Styx.
Styx: Faceroll all the tunnels, you'll be killing even Tiny Vermin in less than a minute. Round out Zeus with Double Strike or High Voltage, snag Snow Burst or the call from Demeter, but this is just icing. If you're super lucky you'll get Bad News from Hermes when you're done. Spend the rest of your gold on Poms, though Styx Poms almost never let you upgrade Trippy Shot for some reason.
I've successfully put at least the bare bones of this build together 3 times in a row.
But now that I've said that I'll fail horribly next run. 龴ↀ◡ↀ龴
woeful maple
oh my bad didnt realize
i lsot my 8 game streak after getting destroyed by ||hades||
just got hit by absolutely everything
i suck with the bow
turbid needle
Real quick, there's a line about Malphon only having one decent Hammer, you're talking about for a Talos Cast build?
soft pine
I dunno, all the other weapons have Daedelus upgrades that significantly change the flavor of the weapon, Malphon's are all just kind of meeehhh. Long Knuckle is really good, and I suppose Rolling Knuckle gets rid of that pause between flurries and Breaching Cross could be good in an Arty dash-attack crit build, but eh. Not much flavor, at least to me.
Draining Cutter looks good on paper, but it usually amounts to like 3 health.
soft pine
I'm not a melee-type player anyway, that's why all my Malphon builds are cast-centric.
woeful maple
ah gotch
soft pine
Where's the hammer upgrade that lets you Tatsumaki Senpukyaku? THAT would be flavor!
gilded lily
So... I know that the "blessings" from the gods only force the first boon to be from that god. What about switching between realms? So if I switch to frostbitten horn, will that force demeter to appear in the next area?
soft pine
correct
gilded lily
SWEET
turbid needle
turbid needle
Some extra especially heinous for those hateful Poseidon boons.
soft pine
I get to styx and he's selling two boons for gods I haven't even talked to this run. smh
neon fiber
i've actually had that not happen
i equipped ares' blood vial only for hermes to appear instead and troll me
so i assumed it was just the first boon on a run
unkempt pagoda
hermes boons don't act like regular olympian boons
he's like a weird mix of olympian and hammer mechanics
neon fiber
yeah
guess ares wasn't quick enough
manic ermine
Hermes even has a few lines where he mentions the god he's replacing
turbid needle
@torpid turret Finally got a Malphon crit attack run. Pretty fast, too.
Started with Rolling Knuckle and then clicked on Long Knuckle so fast I didn't have time to weigh whether I wanted it or Concentrated Knuckle.
If Concentrated Knuckle builds through lots of Dash-Strikes then it's probably the best option.
soft pine
Long Knuckle = peace of mind
unkempt pagoda
concentrated goes up to five attacks i think
turbid needle
Okay, then Long Knuckle and Breaching Cross it is.
soft pine
dayum
3 runs in a row I got bad news in styx. BOOSH
Hermes is my broheim from another moheim
flat brook
Dash run, more fun than i expected https://i.imgur.com/0iWUXjf.jpg
red wharf
I really like Poseidon + Zeus but you need to have some luck to get all the pieces
soft pine
yeah, you checked all the boxes for hades Pong
flat brook
only thing missing was jolted for priv status
also note for future runs: zeus legendary doesn't proc off of sea storm, for some reason
seems like a bug to me
unkempt pagoda
probably, doesn't seem like it shouldn't
though the splitting bolt lightnings look different than any other zeus effectg
dense locust
Considering the wording of splitting bolt, i think that is a bug
Probably just an oversight in how it was coded
grand citrus
is flurry shot worth grabbing on bow?
turbid needle
What's your Aspect?
It's pretty good on Zag, but doesn't do much for Chiron or Hera.
turbid needle
Flurry, I suppose.
It will get your shots out faster without having to worry about charging.
grand citrus
alr ill let you know how it goes
lol
my first time beating meg with the bow, and the fastest ive ever killed her too
naive laurel
@dense locust from the wording, I think splitting bolt might trigger off itself?
And if I remember it right, it's a modifier on current lightning effects to trigger another, which would also success the modifier itself
naive laurel
potentially
dense locust
And crash the computer
dense locust
It’s not, at least from their wording
naive laurel
interesting..
dense locust
It’s every instance of lightning
naive laurel
i need to see if they have a new lightning effect for it
naive laurel
oh ok, so it's INDEED not the same lightning object
dense locust
I’m not sure they are guaranteed to hit
so every instance of lightning is supposed to create a unique lightning ball that originates from zag and shoots off
i think it has homing capability but not 100%
as in im not sure the lightning ball is guaranteed to hit
turbid needle
Does it originate from Zag? I thought it originated from the target.
unkempt pagoda
it should originate off of the lightning
not sure if it's homing or just in a random direction
dense locust
it originates from zag
i agree i'd prefer just a lightning bolt instantly hitting anything struck by lightning]
at least im pretty sure
I think it shoots towards the direction of the enemy that was hit by the lightning that spawned it, but only has minor homing capability
guess i have to go test it right now
spare zealot
I feel like Artemis call should count as a cast (that you just don't get back)
it's an arrow that hits the enemy. lemme have my mirror buffs dang it
turbid needle
I'm confused, what mirror buffs would improve Artemis's Aid?
turbid needle
Both of those require the lodging of a Bloodstone, which Artemis's Aid does not employ.
tepid ridge
But it’s a call tho, Artemis is firing the arrow on Zag’s behalf, it doesn’t come from his bloodstone/crystal therefore it kind of can’t be one of his casts
unkempt pagoda
which is why helios feels like it should count as a cast
naive laurel
speaking about call
this got single handedly turned into atk build from cast build
cuz of the athena call, lul
turbid needle
Yeah, you posted that this morning.
dense locust
That was just now i was watching it
unless you weren't referring to the screen shot
naive laurel
yeah, this is achilles
this morning was zag
and I'm pretty sure this morning I wasn't that lucky to get epic lvl 6 athena call :p
tho my atk dmg was higher on that one
dense locust
All yall spear people look the same
See, that's funny because it parodies something racist but in reality is perfectly innocent
naive laurel
🧐
dense locust
I think i have a curse where I find a joke funnier after I explain it
naive laurel
dense locust
like the act of explaining it is what made it funny for me
primal sigil
You're like Paulie from The Sopranos
dense locust
no spoilers
for some reason I haven't seen the sopranos yet and its high on my list
primal sigil
He explains jokes
dense locust
ah
primal sigil
That's it
dense locust
Call me Paulie then
primal sigil
Off topic but I've watched the series through six times
dense locust
daaaang
I know it must be good but I still haven't given it its due
and of course i've had the very ending of the series spoiled
but that doesn't really feel like a spoiler
In fact it makes me want to understand why that was the ending
primal sigil
Yeah I highly recommend it. Fave TV series of all time
dense locust
Just started watching the Leftovers after being recommended it
naive laurel
not gonna derail this too much, but Fringe is the #1 for me for the moment
dense locust
I watched the first two or three seasons of fringe
dense locust
ahh did the creators fall into the trap of wanting to drag a beloved series on for too long?
naive laurel
actually no
naive laurel
plot went out of their hands after they succeeded in delivering one of the most fing well done twists
season 4 is a mess in matter of the combination of scifi and story telling being disrupted
and due to this being a fox show, season 5 got 13 eps to end the story
which barely delivered on the first 3 season lvl
dense locust
disrupted by the writers strike?
naive laurel
more like fox's habit of fing good tv shows
dense locust
because i know the writers strike was around when Fringe was out
and it screwed a lot of shows
dense locust
ah right
mint bloom
@torpid turret gonba watch quietly lol
naive laurel
@ us in off-topics if u wanna, lul
dense locust
anyone knowledgeable of mechanics here?
neon fiber
No we’ve all got no idea how the game works we’re all winging it
What do you need help with?
dense locust
ahh haha i waited about a minute and then went with my choice
i was 99% sure it would work as intended, but i took dual shot with hera aspect bow and trippy shot cast
neon fiber
How did it work
dense locust
Amazingly
ended up with 3 stygian soul casts
trippy shot
1 shot took off about 1/5 hades health at 32 heat
flat brook
When luck is on your side https://i.imgur.com/V8vYmhE.jpg
neon fiber
Nice
young gorge
Oh that's spicy
earnest ravine
awww
flat brook
yup
after the first room
TIL survival rooms don't appear if you have max tight deadline
naive laurel
I just got a styx today that does not have a single well while I desperately need a 2nd cast
until the 2nd to last chamber of the last tunnel, then I got a well, but with a reroll, there's neither dd or extra cast stone
and already lost 2 dd to 3 fast double dmg snakestones
which ends up in a gg
turbid needle
@flat brook Any amount of Tight Deadline Heat turns off survival rooms, you can give yourself extra space if you want it.
gray lintel
"hey [REDACTED] it's ya boi blizzard shot"
"btw i have knockback causes lightning too"
also the flurry jabs with knockback on attack hurts too
flat brook
for some reason i can never get blizzard shot
ice wine? easy
scint feast? easy
but dem/posi never offer me blizzard shot... only got it once for the prophecy
gray lintel
the requirements are weird cause you need a chill thing on demeter
flat brook
but for some reason it's so hard to get, even with the duo mirror thing
neon fiber
duos do be like that
i've only gotten hunting blades twice despite fulfilling all requirements by a long shot
lament coral
it's the same with legendaries
though legs have the benefit of requiring multiple boons from the same god, so the pool of boons is more depleted
duos are 2 boons from two different gods, so the combined boon pool is even bigger
flat brook
but it's so weird because if i'm going trippy shot i almost always get ice wine, scint feast and black out
maybe because there's 3 instead of 1, so i'm more likely to get at least something
lament coral
Black Out is unsurprising, it's a Dio leg and you're packing fog boons
I've had a few runs where I had a bunch of Zeus or Dem or both with fog and no duos
flat brook
idk, even crystal clarity seems more common for me than blizzard shot
wish it was the opposite
gray lintel
part of that could be trying to force a duo that isn't included in your "god pool" it feels like
tepid ridge
I find duos much easier to get, usually ending up with 1-2 of them per run, but I loathe the spawn rate on legendaries. It seems like I either get 6 boons from the same god and while I have prereqs filled the rng still doesn’t pay off, or I get one boon from the god whose legendary I’m pursuing and then they never show up again.
naive laurel
Starting w/ poseidon is becoming my fav rn
I got 3 32 tries that started w/ poseidon, ended up at least in styx
Having his cast/dash makes early game much easier
The potential 4 duo boons are also pretty good to get early
signal thicket
my to-go boon is usually athena's dash, it makes so easy to rush down enemies.
naive laurel
It's defensive, sadly, so it's a go-to in asphodel
and I usually force athena in asphodel when I don't have a specific duo in mind, or the duo already came to me
kind fiber
What exactly do you use Poseidon's dash for? I guess it deals alot of base damage but I'd rather not dash around enemies and potentially mess myself up with the knockback, especially if they are armored and can't be interrupted
naive laurel
Oh, the dash itself is enough to clear tartarus
After that, it can be sold for customs
gray lintel
Posideon seems to have one of the highest base dash damages in the game at 35.
naive laurel
Yes, but more of the wallbang dmg for the clear
gray lintel
And knockback does significantly more damage if they slap a wall.
kind fiber
Okay, I'd rather get a boon that I wont have to sell later as boons that I have will make it more likely to get specific things from gods
naive laurel
Well, customs is a free 2 heat for me now
so having it planned actually works, especially when it's something like poseidon dash which is busted early but trash late
and, poseidon has 4 busted duos
gray lintel
tbh with Demeter posideon is kind of fine at boss clearing too. You technically don't need boss damage until the third boss area(second area boss merely annoying without damage, first area boss can be defeated with basic attack very fast :x)
naive laurel
dash is just a fallback plan, cast is the main plan
manic ermine
I would rather have no dash than Poseidons
kind fiber
Cast is good, I agree with that
gray lintel
posideon IMO has like... basically every single duo he has is a GG duo :S
cept maybe sweet nectar I guess but +1 lvl from poms is still nice early on
pass him up mid-lategame but if you get him in tartarus he grate
dusky grove
:>
grave compass
Just lost a run to hades summoning chariots
I didnt get any dash or speed hermes boons and ended up just running around until i got hit by either hades or the chariot - massive sad 😅
it's ok
hearty dew
Do you gain more darkness on higher heat runs? trying to get 8888 darkness for ||Nyx/Chaos storyline|| and have already done up to 16 heat on the bow. Should i keep doing 10ish heat runs or just drop it to 0 and farm?
grave compass
Hades/Medusa can be annoying just because the FAT health ontop of shield
Outside of hades though my lwast favourite is snakes - get a nice boss build but then fall short in tight spaces that require more AOE builds
tepid ridge
God I hate when he summons armored chariots
woeful maple
normal hydra fight is ez for me, but the extreme tactics hydra fight destroys me
i hate lava
dusky grove
lava + cramped + half-baked build = SUFFERING
woeful maple
melee feels v rough on that map
naive laurel
@gray lintel basically, sweet nectar and exclusive access are busted value and also sellable either at elysium customs or styx purge pools, for huge value.
both long term value and obol spikes
gray lintel
i do know that yes exclusive access is like by far one of the best duos in the game
(i don't wanna say best cause blizzard shot can instant kill bosses >.>)
naive laurel
well...most valueable duo imo
but getting certain duos wins games almost directly
Which is why I'm starting w/ poseidon, cuz I like planning the run on the fly
@tepid ridge I think u suggested it at the best time possible
since they are doing the source code overhaul, and imo this feature is hard to implement w/o the overhaul.
red wharf
Do you gain more darkness on higher heat runs? trying to get 8888 darkness for ||Nyx/Chaos storyline|| and have already done up to 16 heat on the bow. Should i keep doing 10ish heat runs or just drop it to 0 and farm?
@hearty dew
The way I did was getting 1 heat lower than the current one then going for Chaos and Poseidon for darkness boost.
I once got 2 Chaos and end up the run with more than 400% bonuses
grave compass
Finally beat hades without losing any death defience - im not the biggest fan of the rail but seastorm on attack and aphodite special and call was unstoppable 😁
cunning urchin
Very nice!
Congrats!
I don't think Exagryph is the most fun but certainly the most effective.
grave compass
I really like the aphrodite call as well - its not the best at first but the moment you get greater call its a boss killer
And yeah - my favourites are actually guan yu and nemesis sword for fun - Poseidon sword for more serious runs
neon fiber
oh yeah, greater aphro call deals a stupid amount of damage
cunning urchin
Even the "smaller" call is amazing.
Especially if the duration is long and you build God Gauge fast from dealing damage.
grave compass
I got the zues boon that speeds up god gauge and had spare coins at the end - so i pom'd it up to +20% gauge speed which was perf
cunning urchin
One of my most satisfying runs, I just charmed Hades a lot and hacked away undeterred. He was so friendly, he practically handed me victory.
gray lintel
tbh exagryph is fun for me
you just pewpew and BOOM
and then pewBOOMpew
and then more boom
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, it's fun. I like Guan Yu the most, I think.
tepid ridge
For me I’ve started to become enamored with the bow, all of its aspects have their uses.
cunning urchin
I need to upgrade the other rail aspects, I only got the first to Lv.5. I think the others are all Lv.1.
grave compass
The bow is surprisingly my least favourite, or tied with fists - but i think thats just because im bad at power shots, same reason i never used the bow in bastion 🤣
gray lintel
bow is like. yeah
power shots
protip IMO it's easier to powershot on dash attacks
Always Be Dashing
grand citrus
i hated bow until i used chiron, which imo makes it feel a lot better
grave compass
What is the best aspect for fists btw? Thats something id like to actually get better at
I can win with the bow even if i dont like it - the fists i mostly win on cast builds in the end 😅
unkempt pagoda
imo demeter > zag > talos
gray lintel
Base aspect: atatatatata ATAAAAAAAA(it punches a lot and dodge chance is nice too)
tepid ridge
The fists are good but I don’t particularly have fun with them if that makes sense. Most builds just become crit on special and that’s it. Demeter is the usually regarded as the best aspect and it plays to the above strat
unkempt pagoda
demeter is just a normal attack build but every 5 seconds you get to delete an enemy off the screen
gray lintel
Talos: GET OVER HERE. it uh doesn't do anything especially well but attack and cast damage bonus is nice especially ifit lasts 10 seconds like hades aspect
demeter is ONE PUNCH MAN
grand citrus
Fists are good, but if you try and stack a lot of athena boons it becomes 100x better
gray lintel
(it's weird and you may not like it but you do ungodly amounts of damage with a charged special)
man you want fun
grave compass
Demeter aspect i definitely want to give a real go - but might at least get it to lvl 2 first
gray lintel
Zagreus Aspect, Advancing Kick, +30% Special Speed, Posideon Special.
what is positioning
grand citrus
wew
flat brook
demeter aspect is better on paper than in reality
cunning urchin
I haven't tried Advancing Kick yet, but I really like Zagreus's Aspect.
unkempt pagoda
demeter fists with the explosive dash upper is the most powerful build on fists i believe
gray lintel
Advancing kick is a dash, basically.
it's also very spammable
and with increased special speed you just fly around the place
with posideon for crazy amounts of knockback, you will not be able to control where you move.
i would probably not recommend it on high heat but it is super dang fun
grand citrus
i just did a run with sword / aspect of Nemesis with Arrowhead and RNG decided i should get enough centaur hearts to have 200+ health by the time i got to elysium
grave compass
Nice - i definitely like poseidon boons for a but of crowd control
Its my preferred attack for the rail just to keep stuff away
gray lintel
advancing kick basically negates the downside of knockback on melee weapons because it just dashes to the target from like a screen away
> 200+ health
i had a fourth aspect sword build with aphrodite life affirmation for more max life gain, AND dionysus max life on nectar
i ended the game with almost 500 max health and 4 death defiances it was great
cunning urchin
I usually focus more on Attack, though it depends on what boons I get. I like how versatile the Zagreus Aspect is.
gray lintel
(i didn't use a single death defiance)
unkempt pagoda
if you want to actually knockback bosses, max out demeter fists and put poseidon on the special
all the specials go off first before knockback for all 5 go off
grand citrus
aphrodite life affirmation
@gray lintel im not familiar with what that does, im assuming you just get more death defiances?
grave compass
So what im hearing is to also try sea storm fists 🤣
cunning urchin
No, any heart chamber rewards give more max health.
grand citrus
ahh
gray lintel
life affirmation is an aphrodite thing which gives you increased max life from all future room rewards
if you can get it in tartarus it's amazing
grand citrus
i think since i just maxed artemis' keepsake ill try aphrodite next
probably going to either use bow or sword
cunning urchin
Yeah, if I can get that in room 1, I'm going for heart chambers probably 90% of the time over anything else.
grand citrus
oh neat i just hit 30 runs
what's generally considered to be the best sword aspect?
unkempt pagoda
they're all good at what they're supposed to do
grand citrus
i mean that's true of most of the aspects on all weapons from what ive seen
unkempt pagoda
poseidon is amazing for cast builds, and nemesis pulls off a really mean dash attack build
gray lintel
I personally like Aspect of Truck
unkempt pagoda
arthur hits like a truck, without much downside if you're careful
zag aspect is eh, but is good and safer for newer players
gray lintel
Aspect of Truck can also disable traps in the area
grand citrus
ah i dont have arthur yet. still have only the base 3 on all weapons
gray lintel
zag is better after the change to increase dash distance
also like frankly people underestimate movespeed?
you do not have to be dashing all the time especially with ruthless dodge
grand citrus
i 100% underestimate movespeed. i skip hermes boons 100% of the time
gray lintel
hermes literally has the most powerful boons in the game lol
lament coral
really? You skip attack/special/cast speed and extra dashes 100% of the time?
gray lintel
hermes literally has a boon that is basically "take 40% less damage"
grave compass
Getting +30% move speed can be a game changer
A couple times ive accidentally been outspeeding chariots and asterius
gray lintel
a single hermes boon can give you +66% multiplicative max health
lament coral
dodge doesn't work against everything though
gray lintel
extra dashes is by far the best offensive boon in the entire game imo
I'm talking about the t hing that lets you heal if you dash after taking d amage.
dodge is great too don't get me wrong
lament coral
the window for that boon is too narrow for my liking
gray lintel
also, there'se one that for epic is like +40% movespeed and +40% dodge chance for 15 seconds after using a call
which is like uhm yes please?
grand citrus
ive never gotten anything besides movespeed or an extra dash from hermes and frankly doing more damage feels better to play with than "lol you run fast after you dash"
im sure his boons are great i just dont care for them
at least the ones ive seen
lament coral
it's always worth hitting up Hermes
gray lintel
+30% special/attack speed might work on the cooldown, meaning 0.7 attack cooldown. That is basically... 43% more DPS if you're doing nothing but attack/specialing?
grave compass
Yeah - i take it where i can on route to styx - but i do admittedly pass it up in styx just because risk vs reward
Prefer to save my money for the possible duos and legendaries
lament coral
there's a reason you can only get 3 of his boons over the course of a run, and only 2 from rooms
gray lintel
(the benefit analysis is harder if you're not and it depends on how many more attack/specials you can fit into combos)
also yeah styx it's super situational
mostly because it's so expensive
gray lintel
i usually only do so if I can get a yarn and have a good chance of landing on a useful hermes buff for my build
but yeah hokay DASHES let me talk about dashes
grave compass
If ive not got speed or dash somehow its worth the cost - lacking both at hades can be so detrimentally depending what he summons
gray lintel
in hades, near as I can tell, dashing resets attack/special cooldowns(cooldowns in general maybe?)
this means that if you attack, then dash, you can immediately attack again no matter your weapon attack speed.
with a dash attack. Which is usually better than a regular attack!
This scales insanely well with more than one dash.
+3 dashes for epic hermes buff with ruthless dash? That is like... 4 times the dash. With the attack before you dash, that is going from 2 attacks to 5 attacks in about the same timeframe.
With double dash, that is 3 attacks to 6 attacks. You are literally doubling your DPS with +3 dashes, worse case scenario.
grave compass
Also never knock cast speed
Sometimes blasting out 3 power casts is life saver
Not as big a fan of the aphrodite cast but if i have it i wanna be in and out very quickly
gray lintel
Basically, extra dashes are basically the best DPS boon in the game :x
grand citrus
im not saying any of those things are bad - i can obviously see the benefit for cast speed - but i just said that i have yet to see a lot of those boons so hermes felt really unappealing for the first 5 or 6 times i took his boons
cunning urchin
Hermes in Styx saved my life a few times when everything went wrong up to then and my build felt terrible. That Greater Evasion, Second Wind, or running circles around Hades can change everything.
woeful maple
greater evasion is A++
i kinda wanna try doing a max dodge build with the hermes keepsake, whichever weapon gives dodge chance(cant remember), and then hope for greater evasion
gray lintel
Anyway movespeed also lets you reposition while saving your dashes for DPS and just dodging better, and the +100% movespeed after dashing is great similarly.
cunning urchin
Twin Fists Zagreus Aspect gives 15% dodge chance.
gray lintel
basically quick reload is mostly the only dead boon for most builds so there's two that are still usable.
cunning urchin
I actually don't see any point in Greater Reflex anymore. Ruthless Reflex + Greatest Reflex is way stronger.
Even without extra dashes, the dodge and damage are way too good to give up.
kind fiber
Sure Ruthless Reflex + extra dashes is way better, but its much harder to use when you are just sitting on 1 dash
cunning urchin
If you can't get Greatest Reflex, you can probably get Greater Haste or Drift Dash instead. So I don't think that's an issue.
The dodge lasts for 2 seconds, so you can potentially dodge more damage than you would have evaded with two dashes instead of one. And you get better DPS, too. Things dying faster means you take less damage.
soft pine
I just turned Tisiphone into a sandwich.
https://ibb.co/NshMmW4
grand citrus
yummy
soft pine
not really, it kind of tastes like...murder?
neon fiber
“Meg, i swear by the Olympians she turned into a sandwich.
Funniest thing i’ve ever seen.”
cunning urchin
This sounds like something Zagreus would (and should) tell Orpheus.
soft pine
"Hey Orpheus, play the Ballad of the Murder Sandwich again!"
cunning urchin
"Hey Orpheus mate, have I told you about the time I defeated the Fury Tisiphone by turning her into a sandwich? It's true. I ate her."
"Remarkable, Zagreus. I did not know you had such a power."
cunning urchin
Now how do we best post this in #hades-feedback . . .
soft pine
a gnat just flew in my face and made me lose a DD to the hydra.
earnest ravine
collusion
cunning urchin
EM?
soft pine
and after four straight clears with ice wine in asphodel, this run there was no ice wine for me at all. /weep
lament coral
Demeter giveth, and Demeter taketh away
cunning urchin
'Tis done.
soft pine
Theseus: "Do you have anything to say to me, demon, before I slay you once again?"
Zagreus: "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of me SLAYING YOU."
civic grotto
I never do pay attention to Theseus, the minotaur is always more important to kill first
grand citrus
i kill mino first because frankly he's easier to deal with
at least compared to the alternative
torpid turret
Anyone have an isolated picture of Twin Fists similar to this? https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/c/c1/Eternal_Spear.png?version=8cc02611f9493df5e37b8c2d17559016
kind fiber
Are you looking for something that gives you a good shot of them for artistic purposes or what?
torpid turret
Yeah pretty much
civic grotto
Mino is just so aggressive it's hard to not kill him first. The only time I've killed Theseus first was on accident from a lot of aoe from me dashing around the center, and Artemis' call targeted him instead
kind fiber
Would an ingame screenshot of them floating in the courtyard be insufficient?
torpid turret
Not sure how to get rid of the background, the other weapons may have been taken from the courtyard as well
Its just only weapon on the wiki without a picture
soft pine
I am suddenly feeling ambiguous about Bouldy.
soft pine
zomg Malphon Talos aspect is my new favorite. Can I pull this satyr through a brick wall? Well I'm damn sure going to try!
soft pine
I almost have scint wine up to 1k damage, need some luck with this last Pom
ach, no pom love for trippy
Is Urge to Kill multiplicative? Doesn't seem that good otherwise.
Talos is also great for dragging mobs into saw blades
hah, don't need pom, hermes has bad news. scint wine doing 1112dmg now rip
just trapped tiny vermin behind a corner and scorpion'd him to death
tepid ridge
I haven’t done any math but I highly doubt Urge to Kill is multiplicative, given the attack special and cast all have base values that it will increase and this game doesn’t really do multiplicative damage increases.
turbid needle
There are a handful of multiplicative boons, but I don't think UtK is one of them.
tepid ridge
I know damage reduction is supposed to be multiplicative but which boons multiply damage?
turbid needle
Heart Rend is the only one coming to mind right now but I don't think it's the only one.
kind fiber
I think clean kill might be multiplicative?
rancid shore
clean kill should be
i think chaos boons apply before any other modifiers so that might count too?
manic ermine
Its just crits that multiply
rugged estuary
hammer boons are multiplicative
crits and heart rend are too, clean kill is additive (as in, it adds its number to your crit damage, not multiplies your crit damage by its number)
On another note, I just started a run on excalibur with +300% armor damage hammer, and its absurd
picked up artemis attack and critting armored enemies for 2500 in tartarus
I just cleared the barge of death in <10 seconds
unkempt pagoda
clean kill is additive, only heart rend is multiplicative
rancid shore
Ah yeah u rite
They should change the wording on Heart Rend so it's clear that's multiplicative
kind fiber
I don't think hammer boons are always multiplicative?
Any hammer boon that changes the base damage of an attack is multiplicative but not ones that provide % damage increases
unkempt pagoda
don't see why hammer boons would be multiplicative when most other dmg+% are additive
rugged estuary
@kind fiber I am pretty certain the percentage hammers are multiplicative. I distinctly remember testing it before. But I will check again right now
kind fiber
I don't think they are, but if I'm wrong do tell
rugged estuary
@kind fiber I jsut tried it with the armor damage I currently have, and that is additive. Will do further testing with other hammers, but it appears I was wrong
Which is good to know, makes some of the hammers weaker than I thought
gilded lily
what's your favorite aspect of malphon?
I've maxed Zag's aspect. I wanna do another one
kind fiber
The one that buffs your uppercut after you've hit enemies enough
gilded lily
ya... seemed too technical when I first looked. I'll try it out, thanks!
kind fiber
What do you mean too technical?
rugged estuary
I like the magnetic aspect, but I'm more of a ranged / hit and run player, so all other aspects of the fists I really don't enjoy
kind fiber
Well, you attack in rounds of 5
gilded lily
so if I do 3 full rounds, does that negate the special bonus?
kind fiber
No
flat brook
Somehow this melted hades lol https://i.imgur.com/P5lDGFJ.jpg
gilded lily
so uh... what daedelus hammer perks work well with that aspect, @kind fiber
would flying cutter be good? (ranged special, hold for up to 200% damage)
I've tried the healing on special kills, didn't really like it
kind fiber
I dislike it, since its short ranged and you don't have any way of defending yourself while its charging, but if you pull it off you'll deal huge damage
gilded lily
only other option is the extra range on attack +20% damage. I really wish you could change options like you can on boons
would be so broken tho HAHA
kind fiber
I'd say the kick special upgrade is my favorite special upgrade of the bunch. You also can't go wrong with upgrading your attack since you'll need to be using it to get the additional damage for your special
Whats the third option? Or did you just lock yourself out of a third option with heat?
gilded lily
third option is heal 2 life when killing with special
kind fiber
Ah
gilded lily
so small that it's not really worth it, in my experience. maybe it's better on this aspect?
kind fiber
I'd recommend you give flying cutter a try, see if you can't make it work, but it probably is best to go with the attack hammer upgrade
flat brook
if you have a lot of hp it's fine, since it heals 2%, not just 2 flat hp
gilded lily
oh wow. It is 2% LOL. I read it as two flat
kind fiber
If it doesn't work out for you
You can know why it wont work out for you in the future
gilded lily
ya. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm excited
kind fiber
I usually play on 23 heat though
I don't know what you do, so it might be different in your experience
flat brook
aspect of truck
gilded lily
XD
kind fiber
Yeah, anything you can to to mitigate the huge delay between attacks is amazing since its dps is so huge if you can get attacks off
gilded lily
I like that name. You hit and tank like one. HAHA
kind fiber
It might get nerfed, but its harder to get attacks off with 40% overtime and whatnot
rugged estuary
The fact that you can dash between strikes without interrupting the sequence is what makes it so good
but yeah, it's definitely much harder to use with monster speed
flat brook
damage control and even armor make arthur balanced imo
doing 2k crits does nothing if just a 400 swipe would remove an enemy's armor
gilded lily
@rugged estuary I thought I was just going crazy... you actually CAN dash and not interrupt?
gilded lily
because... I had dash strike bonuses out of the wazzoo... and would dash for the last hit in sequence... I was critting around 1200-1600
it was STUPID awesome
Think i got them from chaos and artemis
kind fiber
There are like two builds to that aspect. Dash strike and non dash strike
kind fiber
If you don't get setup for dash strikes, you just try to pull off the 3 hit combo without getting hit. If you get large bonuses for your attack boon from aphro and chaos, you can still do pretty good damage and you aren't highly incentivized for just dash striking stuff
rugged estuary
I kinda mixed things, and the double dash strike hammer definitely made it a lot stronger, but wasn't entirely necessary.
kind fiber
But yeah, if you can build around dash striking in a specific run, you can do some pretty nutty things
rugged estuary
On another note, I am at 42 clears, and I still see new "ending" messages from the narrator
It was all a dream 😂
kind fiber
Double dash strike hammer, dash strike + strike chaos boons, artemis dash, possibly artemis attack for the crit chance
gilded lily
@kind fiber ... I'm sold. I just cleared a 75 gem infernal chest and only lost 4 gems. This is awesome
kind fiber
@gilded lily With Flying cutter? I imagine its better at low heat. What heat are you running?
Its definitely good damage, its just easily interruptable and risky when enemies move and attack quickly
gilded lily
I had to restart my save. I do one heat at a time for every weapon (breadth first, not depth first). I'm only 7 heat right now. my computer killed my save when it crashed. I was at 15? 16 heat? somewhere around there
rugged estuary
@gilded lily did you not have steam cloud save enabled?
kind fiber
He could have been playing via the epic game store
I'm not sure how its different, its not steam at the very least
gilded lily
Ya. I bought it on epic when it first came out. I need to switch to steam. But then I have to start over again. I have no issues throwing more money at supergiant tho. I've loved them since bastion
epic doesn't save, apparently, the same way steam does. I was really bummed
kind fiber
I think you can probably port your save file over to steam if you didn't want to lose your progress
I'd like to also swap over to steam sometime, but I'm not starting over
gilded lily
so uh... can I ask about fishing on here, or is that better suited for spoilers discussion?
rugged estuary
Spoilers are permitted in this channel as far as I know
gilded lily
There's an entire section of fish I've never seen before... Like ever. what's the deal? is it not out yet?
rugged estuary
its the discussion channel that shouldn't have them
Those fish can only be caught by a "perfect catch"
hitting the button right as the bobber goes under
kind fiber
Yeah, you need to be quick to catch some of the fish
I believe there are also some fish specific to some zones
gilded lily
I've gotten the legendary fish from the three main areas
rugged estuary
each area has a special fish
gilded lily
there's zone specific fish?
rugged estuary
there's one from chaos domain too
gilded lily
I've NEVER seen one in chaos' domain
kind fiber
I think Chaos's realm has a fish spawn rate of 2% or something? I've never seen one there tho
rugged estuary
yeah, the legendary chaos fish is a tough one
gilded lily
wow. there should be a blessing to increase fish spawning
rugged estuary
there is
mighty ermine
couple hundred runs and i've only seen one chaos fish at all
rugged estuary
its a second poseidon legendary
gilded lily
there's a boon, not a blessing tho?
rugged estuary
boons are blessings, are they not?
kind fiber
Is there any such thing in the game as a blessing thats not a boon?
rugged estuary
what else do you mean?
gilded lily
blessings are the items you equip
rugged estuary
those are trinkets / keepsakes
gilded lily
ya
rugged estuary
that might be fun though, yeah
gilded lily
so... I've gotten poseidon's better fishing spawn rate twice now. Once at the VERY beginning, and then when I had like 5 of his boons
rugged estuary
yeah, that one time is guaranteed
gilded lily
what's the point of it if you're not going to get it until the end?
rugged estuary
after that, its like every other legendary
gilded lily
it's literally useless then
rugged estuary
which means you need a tier 2 poseidon boon to get a chance at it
so you need at least 2 poseidon boons before you can roll it
I heard there are also surface fish you can find only in the final boss arena, but I can not confirm that rumor
gilded lily
seems a bit silly. just remove it. no one is going to pick that when fighting rats
ah, i've wondered if that was the case
rugged estuary
its not that hard. you can hit a legendary in tartarus if youre lucky
especially if you get the new mirror perks for more chance of rooms being a boon, and more chance of legendaries and duos
kind fiber
I guess you could just run 0 heat runs and specifically go for fishing
rugged estuary
Yeah, that's the idea behind it I think
gilded lily
cleared it, ascended one. 28 minutes. I didn't know demeter talked trash to hades when he dies to winter harvest HA
flat brook
demeter trashtalks every boss that dies to the legendary
she's quite the badass granny
gilded lily
lol
gilded lily
its so bad
flat brook
hydra is perhaps the only boss where demeter's cast does anything
but even then with less investment trippy shot does more
gilded lily
ya, trippy shot and artemis' and ares... all better at the base level
flat brook
demeter has 3 cast duos, and the one that changes her own cast is the worst one lol
blizzard shot is amazing if you get it
melts bosses faster than ice wine, but clears rooms slower
eager scarab
grand citrus
i think the reason i like it so much is that it can sustain dps while i go in cover, and then i myself usually deal the majority of the burst dps
there's a lot of combinations i have yet to use, so we'll see how quickly my opinions change
robust gate
The main problem I have with demeters cast is that it moves too slowly, and it needing a duo just to be somewhat decent just isn't worth it compared to say dionysis' cast.
grand citrus
ah, i usually use it more for bosses, who tend not to move for extended periods - eg: during Meg's circles on the floor attack i just plop them down and dash away so i only have to worry about not stepping in them
them moving faster would make them far more flexible, definitely
robust gate
And that's exactly what the duo for it does. But having to rely on it just isn't worth it imo. Especially when you're fighting the final boss, it tends to dash around a lot, so you're cast won't be doing much
If it applied chill it would compensate a lot for it's slow movement
earnest ravine
Which stinks, because it does so much damage when it hits.
grand citrus
i got one up to level 4
12 damage every 0.2 seconds for like 5 seconds
very good
x3
earnest ravine
I think it'd have to be one or the other, because that would be... 5 stacks a second on anything it hit? Which with the freezing burst one, would add up SO fast.
So either improved tracking or the chill application, because both'd be bonkers.
robust gate
So best way to fix it would maybe make the tracking better then rework the duo
grand citrus
sounds like a solid suggestion to me
rugged estuary
I wish they didn't nerf guang yu to not go through pillars etc. any more
earnest ravine
My favourite idea still has been the duo causing it to pierce enemies/shields while the default tracking speed is near what the Duo currently has.
rugged estuary
I really like sniping enemies from behind cover
now the only way to do that is the hammer upgrade from the shield
grand citrus
question, what's generally the best option from Eurydice?
rugged estuary
@earnest ravine honestly, that would make it worse imo. it really needs the faster tracking speed, especially with forced overtime
@grand citrus Depends a lot on what you have when you find her
earnest ravine
Like I said, put the default tracking speed to around where the Duo currently gives you, and instead make the Duo pierce enemies or shields.
earnest ravine
I might've phrased it oddly, so it's probably my fault.
rugged estuary
woops
but yeah, not your fault I have bad reading comprehension 
@grand citrus if you can get guaranteed rarity on your main attack / special, that's often worth it. If at least 3 of the 4 poms hit something relevant, that's good too. If neither applies, future upgrades might be better, especially if you play without the rarity from mirror
As a tip, you can actually check which of your boons will be hit by her upgrades
and if you dont like it, you can quit and go back, and pick a different option
earnest ravine
If I have more than 4 boons that can be upgraded and none of them are above level 2, I go for porridge.
If I have 4 or less, or a lot of poms already somehow, I go for the rarity upgrade.
and if i somehow by some horrific turn of RNG only have like 2 boons, I go for the future upgrades in hopes that it will let me Not Die
I think the only thing that changes that priority is if I'm fishing for a specific legendary or duo.
rugged estuary
rarity upgrade does not increase your chance at legendaries or duos
that's a false myth
but yeah, I take rarity very rarely because the immediate power upgrade is much better than a potential future benefit
cunning urchin
I really like sniping enemies from behind cover
now the only way to do that is the hammer upgrade from the shield
Guan Yu will bounce off walls, so you can still do that in a sense.
spare zealot
been doing low heat darkness grinding runs, and playing with whacky builds. poseidon wallbang spam is fun
rupture, wall damage up, 3 extra dashes
rugged estuary
@cunning urchin Yeah, but standing behind a pillar and throwing it straight to the other side was much easier 😄
spare zealot
who needs a weapon
cunning urchin
Yeah, that was fun.
rugged estuary
@spare zealot get his legendary 😛
cunning urchin
I've come to like the wall bounce too though.
robust gate
Add Zeus duo and curse and it's gg
spare zealot
@rugged estuary naturally
every enemy just can't touch you, you only have to play the game in boss chambers
cunning urchin
Hiding behind rocks throwing Guan Yu at Hades was immensely satisfying.
rugged estuary
abusing his pathing before they removed the nooks from his arena was pretty funny too
if you hid behind the wall at the top in a certain way, he would spend 95% of his time walking back and froth in front of the wall on the other side
I often used that to safely get a full greater zeus call off on him
dusky grove
XD
I just stand at a corner laughing at him for using a circle atk when we fight in a blocky map XD
rugged estuary
having deflect and brilliant riposte is also fun against hades
you can kill him just by throwing back his skulls
they can hit him for 1k each
"stop hitting yourself!"
robust gate
I may be remembering this wrong, but there was a point where I had cold fusion and during the second phase the beam attack practically instakilled him and I was laughing so hard when it happened
rugged estuary
@robust gate Yeah, that happened shortly after introduction. Theseus had a similar problem when he channeled his god attack at the start of his second phase.
robust gate
Can it still happen though? I know it was fixed for theseus, but this happened last week. He still had 1/4 of hp left, but I don't really remember the details of the fight anymore
rugged estuary
I thought it was fixed.
But there was no patch in the last 7 days, so if it happened then, there must still be an issue with it.
Unless you missed something else that hit him hard. Maybe you just dealt 10-15% to him and then demeter legendary kicked in or something?
robust gate
I know I had a very strong build with that duo along with ice wine and scintillating feast, so it's possible those may have contributed
Maybe he was standing in the fog or something
rugged estuary
oh yeah, the demeter / zeus / dio duo trinity is super powerful
you might have just obliterated him with that
dense locust
Oh my god Hypnos just gave me the greatest advice, and I've gone from struggling with sub 10 heat to clearing 40 heats
cunning urchin
Spoilers. 
naive laurel
More advices from him and we'd beat 54 heat in 3 mins
dense locust
spoilers?
cunning urchin
'Twas a joke, lad.
naive laurel
Been a while since I see a feedback to increase difficulty instead of reducing it, lul @cunning urchin
(not strict increase for me tho, cursed slash lover here, the more bodies the merrier)
earnest ravine
It only seems fair, really.
naive laurel
Hey, I like this kinda suggestion, don't get me wrong :p
just, it's rare
to see something like this
I mean, the feedback itself
cunning urchin
EM Hydra feels easier than the regular fight. Maybe that's just me.
naive laurel
Not strictly, but circumventable
dense locust
you really never can tell online if you're dealing with someone with a sense of humor or not
naive laurel
Barely worth 1 heat imo
dense locust
i'd say the 3rd phase EM hydra is generally easier for me
but not by much
there's just the occasional stray projectile that manages to wrap around a column from time to time
when he's spitting them out rapidly
But the lava in the second phase makes EM hydra far worse for me
so
what i meant to say, was that 1st phase for both is roughly the same, 2nd phase is far worse with EM, and 3rd phase is slightly easier with EM
cunning urchin
Hmm. I dunno. I don't find the lava to be an issue, and I always play with Heightened Security. Maybe on higher heat, I'm not that high yet.
turbid needle
6-heads on EM Hydra is arguably the hardest boss phase in the game.
Up there with Hades's 5th phase and EM Heroes's first phase.
cunning urchin
The lava is more an issue for me in the regular fight when the heads pull back and I have a melee build, or my casts fall into lava.
turbid needle
I stopped running Infernal Soul as soon as Stygian came out because I was over getting Bloodstones stuck over magma or behind a wall or something.
cunning urchin
Yeah, I intend to try that now. Haven't been playing Hades, just FFVII.
turbid needle
I don't know if I should finally cave and buy a PS4 or wait until 7R comes to PC.
cunning urchin
Best game ever imo, so I'd say get a PS4 asap.
Back to EM Hydra, it's much easier to do AoE damage because everything is in close proximity.
because I was over getting Bloodstones stuck over magma or behind a wall or something.
Or stuck in the main head just as it becomes invincible.
turbid needle
And stuff can still bounce to Lernie... Ugh.