#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 482

solid cairn Apr 26, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Try spread fire Artemis attack

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 12:46 AM

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oooh, just shotgun for days?

solid cairn Apr 26, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Broken combo

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 12:46 AM

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which one is broken cinder?

solid cairn Apr 26, 2020, 12:46 AM

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People have beaten the game in less than 4 minutes with it

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Crits just scale insanely well with spread shot

gray lintel Apr 26, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Honestly aside from chasing duos it feels better to me to just let Tartarus enemies kill you to reshuffle god pool instead of trying to force a single god.

solid cairn Apr 26, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Does anyone have any weapons they think priv status is a must for

gray lintel Apr 26, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Family Favorite does state Olympian gods.

turbid needle Apr 26, 2020, 1:01 AM

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No, FF is equally viable with PS on every weapon.

versed ibex Apr 26, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Is this right? I took the poseidon boon for extra rewards, it was legendary, but I just grabbed a darkness room reward and it was only 16 darkness?

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 1:18 AM

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i mean, base darkness rooms are only 10

versed ibex Apr 26, 2020, 1:19 AM

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man. why did I have the impression that they were higher? okay, if they're only 10 that makes sense

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 1:20 AM

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+% boosts to darkness shine most on troves and boss rewards

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:27 AM

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jesus, demeter really doesnt like giving her legendary

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even though i have the 15% legendary increase

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and 8 demeter boons

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finally, only took 10 demeter encounters

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Not even with this was demeter's cast any better than vanilla trippy shot https://i.imgur.com/qdJtQSH.jpg

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2020-04-25 - 22.38.24 ~ Cropped Capture

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they seriously need to buff it

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@unkempt pagoda i think the poseidon boost does not work on troves tho

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 1:43 AM

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it should, dark thirst works on them

orchid jay Apr 26, 2020, 1:45 AM

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hello friends

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where and how can i use my titan bloods?

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i have some but dunno how to use em o.O

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 1:49 AM

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they’re used on your weapons, but first

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you need to unlock all six and then do a run, then skelly will say something to you in the courtyard

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:15 AM

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What's a good aspect for aegis?

turbid needle Apr 26, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Yes.

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:16 AM

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haha, ya, they all seem good and I don't know which to invest next

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:17 AM

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@unkempt pagoda dark thirst is all sources of darkness, similar to eclipse.
Ocean's bounty is room reward only, it also does not work on urns from my tests.

turbid needle Apr 26, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Chaos is commonly considered the best, Zagreus is quite good because it's just Aegis plus extra DR, and Zeus is super hard but is almost base shield which is the best weapon in the game.

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Some day someone is gonna figure out Aspect of Zeus and delete the world, but until then Chaos is Baby's First Clear.

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:18 AM

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zeus is just too high skill and gets f'd by FO 40 too easily

turbid needle Apr 26, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Like I said, no one has figured it out yet.

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I maxed aspect of zeus first... it really is awesome. best tactic is send it out, recall and run around will it chases you and cleans up

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I have pretty good clear times with it

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*while

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run zeus boons with it. expand lightning area of effect, jolt, and double strike, i got it to half health hades while he shot a laser and I was behind a pillar

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that's my 2 cents anyway. The throw distance was hard to get down

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:21 AM

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my first 32 on shield was zeus aspect

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:22 AM

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zeus is notthat hard to use on normal rooms, but on bosses it's very unreliable

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:22 AM

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but admittedly, I did luck out pretty hard that run

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I got aphrodite legendary room 7

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and had aphro special

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and I think i lost 7 dds lol

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It's super fun at 20 heat

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:24 AM

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the only other combo that did damage like that with an object (not spamming attack or special) was artemis/zeus duo on cast. That one is harder to line up than zeus aspect tho

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7 dds? Sorry, I don't know the lingo XD

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:24 AM

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that duo is also the worst duo in the game imo

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lightning rod

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I mean, It depends on enemy not moving much, and FO 40 makes that duration lasts way shorter

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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My favorite duo is poseidon and zeus. man it's fun

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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if the casts followed enemies it would be usable

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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also, dd is death defiance dusa

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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SEVEN!?! You can get THAT many?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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try losing 9 dusa

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 AM

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If you buy them or met Patroclus in Elysium

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or get them through athena

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:26 AM

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he restores them, not adding more... oh I see. You're saying you went through that many during an entire run

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ok

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:26 AM

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So I started with 3, lost those, got 3 more, lost those, got 1 more, lost that

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:26 AM

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lol, I was losing it. I just got 4 from a legendary boon and thought maybe there's stuff I didn't know yet

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:27 AM

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skelly, can give u 5th

gilded lily Apr 26, 2020, 2:27 AM

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😮

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should've done that

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Wait what do you mean by skelly can give you a 5th

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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the tooth

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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oh okay

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yeah

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you can also get 2 from chaos in a single run

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unless that was a bugged that has sense been fixed

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or someone posted an edited screen shot

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:30 AM

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prob bug

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Someone also once posted a screen shot of Chaos offering the regenerating DD even though they had the standard 3

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also could have been an edited screen shot

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 2:31 AM

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what do you mean "regenerating dd"?

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the legendary extra dd?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:32 AM

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buy dd back to refill after u lost them

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or I should say, refillable dd slot

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 2:33 AM

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oh, i didnt know you could refill chaos' dd

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I'd say, most of the time, at least for me, an empty dd slot is better than a non-refillable dd

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:40 AM

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You ever use skelly tooth with cursed sword?

turbid needle Apr 26, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Chaos adds another slot and another DD.

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Oh what I meant before is that if you take stubborn defiance in the mirror (gives you 1 DD that refills after every chamber) then Chaos can offer the legendary that gives you another DD that refills

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but someone posted a screen shot where they had the normal 3 DDs but Chaos was offering the legendary for stubborn defiance

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its a bug or it was an edited screen shot

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 2:42 AM

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interesting

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i've also heard that if you're running SD, you can lose it then take athena's DD, and it will refill the SD slot with a DD, and you'll have the SD again afterwards

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so you get a death defiance even if you're running stubborn defiance

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don't know if i was clear lol

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didn't test it though

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 2:52 AM

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@dense locust I don't think i've ever, having a keepsake that allows 1 more error from my play, and have a keepsake that allows at least 1 more error each time I refill my health, I'd say the latter is the better.

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u know which other keepsake I'm talking about

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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I was wondering because I've found it pretty useful on Guan Yu if I don't have a high max hp

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that 100 health goes a lot farther on low max hp builds

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kinda like 2 DDs

gray lintel Apr 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Challenge mode: beat the entire game, making sure you lose stubborn defiance in every single room.

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Highest deaths possible challenge.

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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lol

gray lintel Apr 26, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Make Thanatos cry.

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I wouldn't necessarily call it challenge mode

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but what heat are we talking?

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Stubborn defiance is already challenge mode

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But ill try that right now for fun on 0 heat

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:14 AM

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get 700 max health and it'd be a breeze

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:14 AM

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true

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so you really don't like that 100 hp for low max hp builds?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:15 AM

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ugh...not really

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low max hp already turns dd from regen into room for error

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1 more room for error doesn't help anyways

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if u are in a tight fight

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I guess on guan yu, you are probably ranged and safer over all

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But it does also add the slot

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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not refillable iirc

gray lintel Apr 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Do note you have to die on every room :p

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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hmm i thought it was only because the slot remains when you use it

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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yeah...which is kinda bad for the keepsake

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still, 1 more life that cuts huge dmg threshold is already powerful enough imo

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Then there is the acorn

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:17 AM

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dd's difference w/ plain more health, imo, is the difference that overflowing dmg that triggers dd does not carry over

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:17 AM

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which is basically a gamble that you know you'll destroy styx

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Wait i don't understand

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:17 AM

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if u have 1 health left

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the dmg that triggers dd won't overflow

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it's better than health in that matter

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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but that situation isn't exactly common

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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and when hades spin does 80, u know it's gonna good

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oh it kinda is

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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the way i look at it

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you've got 120 hp

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your dds refill 40%?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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oh u mean low max hp?

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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yes

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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dd refill 50%

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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50%

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so 60 hp from a dd, or 100 from the tooth

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:19 AM

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hey, that's me praising the dd there :p

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:19 AM

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oh okay

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i thought you were trying to make a point against it, which is probably why I didn't understand

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Don't get me wrong, it's pretty situational

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But I have had success with it on guan yu

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and I probably wouldn't take it on anything else except maybe cursed sword

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It also gives you more chance for athena calls so that you can regen health

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hmm i assume lucky tooth with stubborn defiance isn't anything other than the normal lucky tooth

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but i haven't tried

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and im 99.9% it wouldnt regen

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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lucky tooth is way better w/ SD imo tho

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Okay what is the explanation of this: https://imgur.com/auAlPo8

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look at DDs

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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lul

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ik

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first thing

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I'm like, hjmmmmm

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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i should probably f10 that

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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u def should

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anyways

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what mean is, buying dd with 400 max health, and buying 200 health, former is better

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usually, at 0% consequences, it's same cost

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cuz 200 health is for sure to tank 200 health of dmg

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while 400 max health's dd, tho heals 200 health, might tank more, due to overflow being negated

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let alone the temp impervious

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:26 AM

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wait, sum up the point you are making

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im having trouble figuring out what point you are trying to get across

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oh

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that a dd is worth more than spending the same money on healing?

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But also, lucky tooth on stubborn defiance, doesn't the lucky tooth get used up first?

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oh wait

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it does come after

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then yeah, lucky tooth is for sure back up for stubborn defiance

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:29 AM

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yep

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it's quite essential imo

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and it makes stubborn more of a value toon

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tool*

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 3:33 AM

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hmm doing the die every room thing

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should I take cursed slash with arthur?

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reduced max is a little against the spirit of it

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eh probably not

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ill respawn with lik 15 hp

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Lol touch of styx with charon keepsake is 28 encounters long

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Okay doing this on normal, the hardest part is making sure to not kill everything before dying

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idk why im doing this, i'm only going to get death defiler...

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:54 AM

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reduced max is actually very dangerous for it

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if anything I'd take arthur cuz it makes the 30% feels like 50%

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which is definitely a good thing

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@tepid ridge imo it is counterintuitive to dodge

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cuz when u see something coming up, u actually should dash towards that direction as dashing for the other would usually cause u to go into the 3rd strike and having no dash, imo

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and imo the more annoying part is , it's very hard to have extra dash at that point, so dashing perpendicularly out is not reliable.

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 4:32 AM

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yeah i;ve got 500 hp but decided this was too boring

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and now im just finishing it

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Did UnseenOak delete their message? I cannot find what you are responding to @naive laurel

tepid ridge Apr 26, 2020, 4:36 AM

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No, they’re referring to my post over in #hades-feedback dusa

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Well that's confusing

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I had a power outage that killed my run that was going horribly and I was on track to die. This made the game just erase the run as if it never happened, but my win streak stayed. I feel like that shouldn't stay tbh

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I checked and it's functionally the same as clicking "give up", and for some reason that doesn't reset your streak

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:53 AM

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it's the same

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I have my game crahsed mid-game before

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no run was there

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I guess thats why, crashes and power outages and what not.

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:53 AM

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and I just effective threw next game for memes cuz I know nrgesus won't be on my side

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But, if that happens, 2bh

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just cast more before opening chamber gates

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switch to another aspec

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:54 AM

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I still feel like if you click "give up", your streak should be reset

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:54 AM

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oh that, that's for sure

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seed manip in this game, imo, unless u speed running, shouldn't be a thing

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I wasn't aware of any methods to manipulate the seeds. I know the speedrunners do it, I guess thats why they cast a million times when they open a door

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:55 AM

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even speedrun in this game, is imo a unforseen code structure side effect, but it's entertaining

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 4:55 AM

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It's why the streak isn't very meaningful

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not mention if you felt like, you could do a hundred 0 heat runs

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and there's nothing to indicate that

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also for weapon runs, I wish they'd list the time completion of the highest heat first, with the option to look at lesser heat times

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:56 AM

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||Admin room|| can be expanded a lot in this matter

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tons of data to be repersented

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if not analyzed

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iirc, in my initial save, i take premium vintage the most

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cuz, resource, max health

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on the hell save, it actually went back to top 3 after a good while too

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cuz it's still max health, but also a free lvl

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Oh yeah, i definitely hope they expand the ease of access of past stats. But even as it is now, I don't exactly understand where the information that is displayed is drawn from because its certainly not comprehensive from all runs

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My guess is that it displays the things you had when you completed a run

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 8:20 AM

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https://imgur.com/bfKHK9c

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earnest ravine Apr 26, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Terrifying

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 8:29 AM

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I'm convinced that ice wine works for any build: https://imgur.com/MT5Xiis

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I feel like a spokesman for some sort of weird fictional beverage. "Having trouble with completing that heat? Try Ice Wine!. It's refreshing, packs a punch, and is extremely versatile! Try Ice Wine today! (brought to you by DioDem Inc. ™"

rich cedar Apr 26, 2020, 9:19 AM

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I feel like im torturing myself trying to finish the demeter and artemis boon quests

balmy citrus Apr 26, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Everybody's getting along https://imgur.com/3UTYYht

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naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 10:13 AM

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https://imgur.com/RvKF1ev

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dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 10:50 AM

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@balmy citrus Lol i don't think i've ever gotten the title of Duo Digger

proud storm Apr 26, 2020, 12:44 PM

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that's a lot of green

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 12:49 PM

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lul yeah

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https://imgur.com/bnLDnYc
profit

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customs -2 heat confirmed

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KappaBloob

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 12:58 PM

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i thought spent spirit was good, but i cant even remember noticing any difference when i picked it lol

rich cedar Apr 26, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Its bad

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:00 PM

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at least it's better than curse of longing

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:04 PM

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https://imgur.com/zFASbAq

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1 HP left lol

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Nice clear time!

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1 hp and high confidence dusa

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:06 PM

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please do not look at the bow and the spear

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oh I was at full almost all of the run

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the last boss beaten me very hard

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:07 PM

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In the name of someone very sore right now lol

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:07 PM

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because Excalibur's combo timing makes me get hit

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I would be sore too if my foe have 1 HP left

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...granted, I still have 3 DD

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but you get the idea

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:08 PM

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that athena DD coming in clutch... not

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:08 PM

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I am trying to get used to the maximum damage build

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which is Ruthless and High Confidence

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but it seems to not be working out unless I use Arthur

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High Confidence with other weps makes me nervous

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:09 PM

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i think ruthless only shines in trippy shot builds, since you'll be one shotting everything anyways

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if you're going for weapon damage the backstab damage adds up really quickly if you dash through the enemy

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i misunderstood ruthless with fiery presence, dont mind me dusa

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i also like ruthless

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:11 PM

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damn

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https://imgur.com/Qz22nLN

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this is without high confidence

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Ah yes the aspect of TRUCK

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Good stuff

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:12 PM

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#JustArthurThings

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:12 PM

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heart rend + ruthless

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residentzag

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:13 PM

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how did you screenshot mid-fight?

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did you record it or just fast fingers?

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:14 PM

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I am rewatching my run

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I always record my run

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bouldy

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don't ask why

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I am jk please ask why

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:15 PM

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oh, what program do you use?

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:15 PM

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it's built-in for window

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X-Box game bar

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:17 PM

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didn't even know that existed, nice to know

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I am jk please ask why
why?

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:18 PM

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because I want to rewatch it to know where I messed up and because I feel pressured to play better if every mistake I made is on video

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:18 PM

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why do you not not record it?

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:18 PM

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like

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oh my god it'd be so embarassing if people see I died to the lava again

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bouldy

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self imposed peer pressure

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:18 PM

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it do be like that sometimes

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lava damage is an inescapable embarassment

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:19 PM

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that's how I got from 25 mins to 14 mins

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16 mins avr actually

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"Man if people catch me dying to tight deadline again I can't show my face anymore"

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:20 PM

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yesterday i hit tight deadline in room 8 because i spent 3 minutes in a ridiculous erebus dusa

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glad i didnt record that then

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I can’t even git gud enough to do Erebuses

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Erebusii

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I am the kind of guy that if I failed an Erebus I restart the entire run

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can't handle the shame

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:21 PM

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erebus in tartarus/asphodel in low heat is fine, but i was in 32 hit and with the bow

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there were 4 louts perma shielding themselves and i couldnt separate them and get rid of the shields fast enough

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never again stepping foot on erebus in high heat

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:21 PM

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just take the onion bro

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:22 PM

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i do need some more for the codex entry

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i had an onion heal me for 2 because of nourished soul bouldy

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stonks

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:23 PM

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https://imgur.com/ZeW62xD

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still processing so I can't show you guys how I embarassed myself

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:25 PM

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wish i could use arthur

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feels too slow for me

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:26 PM

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arthur is great when you learn to buffer attack dash

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during the wind up you can dash to reposition

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but only once

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if you dash twice the whole attack is cancelled

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that's where ruthless reflex comes in

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:27 PM

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when i tried doing that i dashed into traps twice as much as i would lol

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too much to think simultaneously

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:30 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7W-VnxXkM

YouTube

Dat Vu

Hades 18 Heat run

▶ Play video

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there it is

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:35 PM

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650 damage 3rd slash at chamber 1 dusa

opal bay Apr 26, 2020, 1:38 PM

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make it 1k and you are set

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:42 PM

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backstab tripple damage

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dusa

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:43 PM

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imagine if you had shadow presence

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would that be 350% or 450% damage?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:48 PM

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pardon the low quality, forgot to sc so have to get it from vod, lulhttps://imgur.com/YO17Kll

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now sword is finished....time to move onto spear

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Backstab damage is additive

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yes, I got spent spirit again after selling it

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 1:49 PM

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60% jury summons and 30% calisthenics, dear lord

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Not a big problem, and cursed sword actually likes it

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strike*

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100% labor is more scary for cursed strike 2bh

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I remember breaching slash and excalibur being put together

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Literally blew all of their armor away with a single hit

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:53 PM

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yep, but, in my case

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i need more normal firepower

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and they gave me 3 that breaching is better

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 1:55 PM

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At least you got that sweet arthur arthur combo

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 1:56 PM

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2bh what won me this game prob is the quad dash and dio dash

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tons of dmg while dodging

dense locust Apr 26, 2020, 2:04 PM

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you can do 1k crits with just charged skewer and artemis special on guan yu with the right mirror and pact of punishment stack

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:23 PM

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@olive badge now this is a very good idea. Iirc most fighting games do have this mechanic implemented?

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:23 PM

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in fighting games I play

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sometimes there's a 3f buffers

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and in most games with a dash attack

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if you press attack the dash stop immediately

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so it weirded me out in Hades

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I havn't played much, but at least in Injustice 2 I have learnt a lot of queued moves that for me buffering seems logical for this game too.

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:24 PM

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like in Under Night, if you press dash you have to hold forward to keep going, but if you press an attack button it stops immediately to perform the attack

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and for Street Fighter for example

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you have a 3 frames buffer

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:25 PM

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interesting....I may go dive deeper into this later today

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:25 PM

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what it means is that if you press an attack 3f before you could actually move

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:25 PM

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I think hades has a lot of room for this

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:25 PM

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you will move immediately

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after you can move ofc

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the application here is if you have a move that's 6 frames advantageous on hit

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if you have a move that's 6 frames start up

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you can combo them together without any sort of cancelling animation

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but normally, you'd have to hit that sweet spot of 1/60 seconds (the game runs at 60fps)

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now the length is widened to 1/20 second

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since you have a 3f buffers

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and I feel like Hades doesn't really have a lot of those and dashing attack has really weird timing

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Interesting...cuz for myself, I definitely didn't notice much of not being able to dash attack until recently re-adjusting to double dash.

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But I guess it's pretty true, but also with a lot of attacks having afterswing, it might doom some people due to their previous selection/action

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:33 PM

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yeah I also only noticed this when I start using reflex

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and it feels like the timing is 1 or 2 frames or something

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Anyways, I think the code of this game might have a big part in this, but I am not sure.

olive badge Apr 26, 2020, 3:42 PM

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nah it's the way the game is designed

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I don't think it's a bug, it's just too strict of a timing for a fast paced game like this

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 3:45 PM

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true, but, if i see it correctly, queueing is not in this game at all currently?

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Or does it already exist and we can use the example somewhere else in this game.

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Teleporting + slow aura flame wheels are the spawn of the devil

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:03 PM

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get in-fight regen or impervious calls

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But 2bh, just don't get 2 benefits package unless u really have to

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:10 PM

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it's too much heat to pass up on

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 4:17 PM

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all the regen i have is sisyphus

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^exactly, it's either hell spawn flame wheels or -75% healing

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:19 PM

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i mean, if u want it, it'll basically be "lose runs cuz rng until win" or "I know what I'm facing and I'll take it"

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I do 2 benefits package, and I got f'd by them a lot

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what i win w/ is basically cursed strike atm

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 4:20 PM

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not all weapons have regen hammers

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I wish sword's cursed slash scaled into late run

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I guess it kinda does if you have cursed slash + whatever hammer mod makes it slash really fast

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:23 PM

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flurry

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:23 PM

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yeah that

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:23 PM

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is it still -70% HP and HP gain?

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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-60% HP and +2 HP a slash IIRC

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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that's still awful

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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+2Hp per slash per hit

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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flat HP / slash doesn't make it too great late into the run when you have more health and satyrs eat the bar for lunch

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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meaning slashing multiple enemies heals u a ton

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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oh, really

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Guan Yu is -50% and you can easily heal to full off the spins

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yes

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I didn't know that

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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you can't heal off sword dashes, either

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:25 PM

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curse strike + dmg reduction/negation/impervious/dodge wins me 32 heats

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3 aspects, actually

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and u can heal off dash attacks iirc

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which makes flurry strike/double edge very good for this hammer combo

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I think that pic I post above, I facetanked hades again

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I only dodged 50% of his attacks iirc

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or less

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cursed strike's biggest enemy is hard labor

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if u want to go for the hammer, take that below 80, 40 is recommended

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60 is manageable

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:28 PM

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nice

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:28 PM

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and, if u really want to go for that hammer and wanan gamble on it

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take 75/100 consequences

spare zealot Apr 26, 2020, 4:28 PM

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lol

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:28 PM

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btw, hitting skelly heals u too

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so making boss wallbang skelly essentially doubles ur heal

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Once u stack enough dmg reduction that hades hit u for below 25, u are safe

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ofc, get athena call, it's THE call for the hammer

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And, curse strike makes dmg taken charges god gauges very, very fast

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however, playing w/ cursed strike makes dd more like an allowance of u making several mistakes in a row, instead of a heal/regen

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 4:32 PM

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does upgrading aphro's call increase the great call damage or just the normal call charm duration?

naive laurel Apr 26, 2020, 4:33 PM

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From what I know, at least not the call dmg

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if not nothing at all

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Anyways, if anyone wanna get stygius to 32 or so, cursed strike is a way of cheesing it

lament coral Apr 26, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Aphro call gains longer charm duration, the damage doesn't change

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Anyone else a little annoyed at the normal attack/dash attack mechanics?

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It takes a bit too long after a dash to perform a normal attack IMO

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And the dash attack with the sword looks exactly like the normal attack, but the normal attack will make your next attack into a combo attack (which with the new aspect is a major deal with its slow animation)

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So it's very hard / kind of impossible to know sometimes if your last attack was a normal or dash attack, and therefore if your next attack will be a slow combo attack or a normal attack

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The slow animations of the latest aspect really highlighted this for me

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Maybe some visual indication of where in the combo you are (started, about to do second hit, about to do third hit) could help here

static moon Apr 26, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Maybe some visual indication of where in the combo you are (started, about to do second hit, about to do third hit) could help here
@ocean mango Huh I think this is a explorable possibility and I could agree with this... Maybe you should copy this line and or sum the info and put it into hades-feedback!

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I'm unable to post in hades-feedback. How do I acquire such privileges?

static moon Apr 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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some people are already good at knowing/or timing what and how they are doing attacks and use cancel animation/etc to have lots of control but yeah something like a indication that you said would help people like me start to see a better pattern in our own button mashin' 😂

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ah! no worries

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you go to bot-commands and

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copy paste " ?rank Early Access "

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then the discord server will start allowing you to post there

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Thanks, oh great whisperer of robots!

static moon Apr 26, 2020, 9:10 PM

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it's on the pinned messages but it's so easy to miss X')
I looked for it a long time too in the beginning)so no problem glad to help!

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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please read all of the pins in that channel before posting feedback though, it has helpful information and rules

static moon Apr 26, 2020, 9:15 PM

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^this is true.. I always do but i didn't recommend it here I'm sorry!

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 9:16 PM

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The bot tells you to do so, and I obeyed

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The aspect of Arthur for Stygius is such a rewarding challenge to use

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It really rewards knowing exactly how the fighting/combo/dash system works

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but it's sooo hard

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 9:49 PM

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What would you guys choose? https://i.imgur.com/fs2lIhx.jpg

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bad news is amazing since it's a trippy shot build, but +3 dashes is also amazing since i'm running ruthless reflex

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

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man that really is a tough one

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 10:04 PM

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best defense is a great offense

tepid ridge Apr 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I would have gone bad news, that way I wouldn’t have had to work for the reflex damage-up

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

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take doriftu dash instead

unkempt pagoda Apr 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

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i'd choose bad news bc your dps would be out the roof

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:06 PM

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i ended up taking bad news and luckily the styx hermes gave me +2 dashes

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but i think the right call with every other weapon would be to take the dashes, i just took bad news because it was a shield run

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Heck me I guess lol https://streamable.com/qkul97

Streamable

off screen bomb - Streamable

▶ Play video

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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ouch

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utterly outplayed, it even waited for you to leave the safe aura

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I got really frustrated when it happened, but now it's just so funny

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Stupid little single bomb from nowhere

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Why do I never see anyone discuss this aspect? I think it's the best weapon in the game. Look at the dps (during which you almost move freely!)

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https://streamable.com/z2s7ov

Streamable

gun dps - Streamable

▶ Play video

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Probably because it's single target and it's annoying to constantly recharge

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Which one is that? Eris?

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Hestia ^

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 10:23 PM

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oh

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I'm playing on controller. Remapped reload to LT. I do shot (X) -> reload (LT) -> special (Y) almost simultaneously. Rince repeat

neon fiber Apr 26, 2020, 10:24 PM

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i always mix the two
Then again i have neither unlocked so that probably doesn’t help

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:24 PM

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It's crazy how simple it is to use. Since you're spending 90% of your time reloading between shots, you can focus entirely on dodging

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:26 PM

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it's definitely a good aspect, if its limitations are not that big of a deal for you, you're in luck

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most others (including me) prefer just taking zag aspect and spreadfire and just mash attack and dash lol

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

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I feel like I'm going crazy lol

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Either that or I'm the only sane one

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Maybe I'm just in the minority in playing on a controller?

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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i also do

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i think most do actually

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Huh ok

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Then you know the sweet life of auto aim as well

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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that's partly why spreadfire rail is a favorite of mine

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hold attack > dashdashdashdash

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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You can hold attack?

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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with the rail, yes

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didn't you know?

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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It just spams dash attack then I guess?

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Oh, I thought you held it down as you dashed around

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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not only that but it does a normal attack almost instantly

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so you get 2 attacks per dash

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Oh maybe you do lol

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Oh, I thought you held it down as you dashed around
@ocean mangoyes, that's it

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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huh

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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you can try it without spreadfire, hold attack and dash around skelly

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and see the ammo count, drops a lot faster than just standing and attacking

ocean mango Apr 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Huh

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I knew dash attack had higher dps, but didn't know you could just hold down attack

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 10:31 PM

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you can do the same with fists, just hold attack and dash around

soft pine Apr 26, 2020, 10:57 PM

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If you dash with Exagryph it fires two rounds very quickly. Works best with Spread Fire though.

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:09 PM

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@naive tusk hey, sorry to ping you randomly, but i have some dumb idea lol

naive tusk Apr 26, 2020, 11:09 PM

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?

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:10 PM

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can you or someone make a wheel spin of which weapon/aspect to use? Like i am not sure what to take so i want the wheel to decide for me. Or i just want to leave it up to chance.

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i thought it'd be a fun idea

soft pine Apr 26, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Do you have a d6?

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^.^

naive tusk Apr 26, 2020, 11:11 PM

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You can use this as well https://www.random.org/

RANDOM.ORG - True Random Number Service

RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 11:11 PM

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you could give each weapon a number from 1-n depending on how many you have and use random.org

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^ beat me to it lol

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:12 PM

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which one do i use on there?

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oh at the top?

naive tusk Apr 26, 2020, 11:13 PM

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At the right, it says "True Random Number Generator". Set it to 1-6 and pick a weapon based on which number you get

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:13 PM

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from left to right, sword to railgun

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1-6

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let's see

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5

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 11:13 PM

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or 1-20 for each specific aspect

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:13 PM

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oh

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true

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oh oops

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sorry

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holy crap thanks!

flat brook Apr 26, 2020, 11:14 PM

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you can also do it with keepsakes if you're feeling extra spicy

naive tusk Apr 26, 2020, 11:14 PM

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You are welcome!

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:14 PM

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i love doing random runs like this

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keeps it interesting at all times

naive tusk Apr 26, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Constantino improved the idea as well squirtyay

latent junco Apr 26, 2020, 11:15 PM

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omg i am dying of laughter

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i had malphon and the third aspect already equipped because i wanted to do that run

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guess what i hit on the number thing

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17

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exactly that

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well then, when even god decides for me to do the run i was planning on doing, who am i to argue? lol

orchid jay Apr 27, 2020, 12:24 AM

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hello

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i just put my titan bloods in the wrong skill. is there a way to reset?

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 AM

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you can quit to the menu and reenter. If you haven't changed rooms yet, it'll reset to the moment you entered the courtyard

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If you already changed rooms, sadly you can't revert it

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Ice wine gang checking in https://i.imgur.com/YikaCgG.jpg

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Though lately i've been more of a scintillating feast fan, does so much more damage

eternal stag Apr 27, 2020, 1:30 AM

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you gotta get both

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that's where it's at that's my favorite build

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:38 AM

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agreed, but if for some reason i had to choose between them, i'd take scintillating over ice wine

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No such thing as too many boons. Trippy shot is officially my favorite cast https://i.imgur.com/prYenFO.jpg

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soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Best thing about Ice Wine is it removes the distracting fog of Trippy Shot, which is the only thing I don't like about it.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 3:41 AM

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uhoh our resident ice wine addict is here KappaBloob

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I know a scrumptious Scintillating Feast can sound appetizing, but whenever I get those gluttonous urges, I always reach for a refreshing bottle of Ice Wine. Ice Wine takes my shaky run to Hades and sets it straight. Hydrating, damaging, and extremely op, Ice Wine never fails to impress. So if you're ever feeling parched and hopeless in the desolate fields of Asphodel, or unfairly beaten down in the dangerous, but beautiful Elysium, reach for an Ice Wine (brought to you by DioDem Inc™️)

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😛

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I'm actually legitimately thirsty now

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@naive laurel I'm thinking the next challenge after all aspects is all aspects no hammers, Ice wine

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Never mind, This Scintillating Feast i'm eating right now pairs perfectly with a glass of Ice Wine

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I had a delicious meal tonight: https://imgur.com/kASs7SN

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turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Sell a Demeter boon at some point during that?

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 5:36 AM

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yeah the dash

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This aspect is great for ice wine builds because the zeus special was great for early game and led into feast, and it has 10% damage reduction built in, not to mention its the shield so bull rush is great (my hammers, which don't matter much for this build, were sudden rush and dread flight)

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Lord Hades: Athena cannot save you from me, boy.

Zagreus: Athena's Aid Lv. 14 activated, 38 second invulnerability.

"How about now?" knocks Hades dead with Artemis deadly strike

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each quarter bar is 5.97 second

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Unhittable for that much duration, definitely can clear any full chamber!

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Now what u need is proud bearing

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 8:03 AM

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@half tapir imo hermes boon scales with the other god boons u have. So on it's own it's ofc, not good, but the value they provides are irreplaceable usually.

half tapir Apr 27, 2020, 8:06 AM

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hmm yeah... Getting a hermes boon has just always felt worse to me than the other gods. I knew it was super subjective when I posted it, I was mostly curious to see how the votes would break on it. I personally don't much like them, but if most people do I wouldn't want it to get changed

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 8:09 AM

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I am not intending on voting on that, hence the @ing here

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And, for me, it's the same feeling for me until I reach 15+ heat

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now I might even take it over trial of gods

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 8:19 AM

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I'm guessing level 14 athenas aid barely goes over 4.2ish second

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But idk the formula for how they calculate it

rich cedar Apr 27, 2020, 8:24 AM

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I died in Tartarus on my first heat 32 run 😦

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 8:25 AM

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That'll happen a lot

olive badge Apr 27, 2020, 8:34 AM

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@half tapir also Hermes boon is on a different pool than other gods so Hermes chambers are definitely not able to give you other gods, so don't feel too bad thinking "OMG He took a spot that could've been Artemis"

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also if you use Ruthless Reflex or Arthur aspect, the +x Dash or +x% Attack Speed REALLY helps

half tapir Apr 27, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Wait they are? could you go more into how that works?

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or link the wiki/somewhere it's explained in detail? I feel like that really takes the water outta my whole issue with it XD

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 9:06 AM

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quick question

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excalibur and best dog's trinket stack, aye?

proud storm Apr 27, 2020, 9:09 AM

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yes

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 9:11 AM

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good

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if i can't git gud enough to reliably dodge hits and not die i'll make it so i can beat the game by virtue of just having that much hp

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 11:29 AM

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@dense locust level 14 athena's aid is 5.97 second

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for "rare" rarity

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 11:30 AM

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ahh okay, how did you find it out?

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Had one run of it itself. I couldn't post my screenshots in this channel here for some reason

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 11:30 AM

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lol holy crap

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Can I share it to you personally?

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 11:30 AM

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you just have to post the image to imgur

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and then paste the link

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 11:42 AM

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how does trippy shot work with aspect of poseidon stygius?

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:43 AM

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You get the cast damage bonus still, but it doesn't affect bloodstone spawn speed since it doesn;'t lodge in enemies.

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 11:43 AM

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oof

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so i miss out on one form of damage if i get it

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 11:44 AM

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it's still worth it for the 50% cast dmg

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:45 AM

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You only lose out on one of the perks of the sword, and potential Exit Wounds damage if you have that boon. Festive Fog has a LOT of boons tied to it and has really high base damage, so it's still super good with it.

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 11:45 AM

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fair enough though my aspect of poseidon isn't as leveled yet

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only lv1 right now lol...

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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at lvl 5 it's 50% bonus cast dmg, quite good

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Ah. Not the best synergy right now without the cast damage bonus, but it's not going to actively harm you to take and is powerful to itself.

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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yeah i figured that's what the scaling would be

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alright i'll keep that in mind

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i keep forgetting how much damage trippy shot does on its own anyway

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:47 AM

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It also has like two duo boons and three boons from Dio that buff it. it's scary

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 11:48 AM

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oh yeah

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i uh... got those zeus and demeter duo boons once

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that was a bit stupid lol

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Fun!

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Getting Trippy Scintillating Wine is my goal for every run, with Exagryph and the Cluster Bomb and Inescapable Blast hammer boons, you can just cover the battlefield with your cast then use your special to force enemies to stand in it. XD

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

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As long as you're partaking in a bottle of ice wine, i think you're alright

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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UM

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WHAT

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did i just take out theseus and asterius in just a minute or so

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with... rapid fire CRUSH SHOT and aspect of poseidon???

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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that will def work

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But have u demolished the chariot UNINTENTIONALLY when focusing asterius

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:04 PM

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no lmao, never used that perk on that rank yet

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:05 PM

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I got a run where I got lvl 2 rare hangover on special, chain skewer, pressure points and hunter's mark

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hangover crits gives more crits

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and gives marks

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:05 PM

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is it just me or is fated authority better than fated persuasion even if you're forcing a very specific build? feels like i get so many more boons that i'm more likely to get what i want than to reroll specifically for that

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:05 PM

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and then they cycle off each other

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it's just busted

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:08 PM

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authority is the room reroll right?

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honestly i personally noticed that persuasion works better for me IF i'm running the pact of punishment that slashes out boon selection

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because at that point it doesn't matter if you get boon rooms often anyway

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you could be unlucky like me and have the legendary boon slashed out

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Every time I go back to authority I hate it.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:11 PM

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you're really brave to run that pact choice lol

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i wouldn't run that unless i someday wanted to venture to 40+ heat

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last time i took persuasion, i rerolled chaos and got the EXACT same boons, only with the curses swapped

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i instaquit and put authority back on

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Hey, that could be the difference between Chaos saving a run and ending it.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:12 PM

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well, that wasted reroll could also be the difference between chaos saving and leaving me doomed as i was lol

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:13 PM

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I've seen persuasion reroll to the exact same boons before, but it doesn't happen very often.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:13 PM

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but when it happens it's soul crushing since you start with 4 rerolls and have increasing costs

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i prefer just to reroll rooms and end up with a ton of boons

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:14 PM

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persuasion on high heat might save u tons of times w/o u knowing

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customs, need the persuasion

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finding core boon as early as possible, need persuasion

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fishing dd late game, need persuasion

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get core defensive boon late game, need persuasion

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rarity f's u, need persuasion

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finding duo/legendary, need persuasion

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:16 PM

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i mean, that's the point, from what i've seen FP is high risk/medium-high reward, while FA is low risk/medium-high reward

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:16 PM

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fa is very very limited usage

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:16 PM

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if they buff FP with more starting charges/removing the increasing costs i'll definitely run it more

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:16 PM

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persuasion is such good value that u might skip nectar for key

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:17 PM

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That's the first time I've ever seen someone say that Authority was "very very limited."

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:17 PM

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It is, 2bh

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rerolling rooms is just...rerolling rooms

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rerolling all other tri-options, that's busted

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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i've been many times on this scenario:
Doing trippy shot build
get a miniboss with ares, so useless for my build
reroll 1-2 times, boom, dio again and i have an additional chance for my duo/legendary

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and that happens very often

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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this is where customs comes in

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Not everyone runs Customs.

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Not everyone constantly runs 30+ Heat requiring Customs.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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well, if u do, that's basically 2 free heat now

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with persuasion

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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I can run the timer for five free Heat.

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Same. It's useful enough that you have to pry me off of it for like, most runs. Goodness knows I don't need most obol or centaur heart rooms. And for Customs I try and take a lot of extra buffer-boon rooms to lessen the chances of losing something critical as time goes on.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

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well, run timer for 5 free heat on certain lvls are not as easy 2bh

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and, it's gonna test your offensive basically

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

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timer is easiest heat when you get used to it imo

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

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7min Elysium. ::shudders::

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

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which u might not get even w/ FA

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Yes, and because I have Fated Authority it's super easy to force billions of boons.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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well, then it's a 100 health elysium clear?

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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And also, because I run Family Favorite, even if I don't get a bunch of synergistic boons I get a big meaty universal damage up anyway.

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Yeah?

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Nah, I reroll into hearts sometimes and take them.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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also rerolling at styx for critical boons you may be missing is invaluable

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Or just skip the reroll entirely.

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You know there's not a law forcing me to not take health, right?

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 PM

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the only rooms I would want a reroll on would be obols and gems

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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i run golden touch so even obols and gems are good

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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btw i don't know if the gamepedia is updated with it or not but

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does the chaos favor still need 8k darkness once you get to that point?

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Yeah

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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there's a reason why every god have generally good boons

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8888 darkness

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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hoo boy

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guess i'm taking a "break" for my next runs and farming darkness

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:22 PM

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and 2bh, rn for me, fam fav is even sacrifice-able

turbid needle Apr 27, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Yep, nothing better than running an AAAA build and getting 6 Poseidon and Zeus boons in Styx when I could have had more Blade Rift or crit boons.

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:22 PM

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I will say that Charon's boon offerings in Styx sometimes fill me with silent rage. I run the whole game with only having picked up one Aphrodite boon on sufferance and he's got 2 Aphrodite boons for sale.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:22 PM

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well, in that case, u prob won't get the blade rift or crit boons at all if u don't use persuasion

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:22 PM

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And one Aphrodite satyr run.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:23 PM

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luck f's u in different ways, been there

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if they give me poseidon and zeus boons

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if i got hunting blades

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I'll just fish call related boons and empower my impervious calls

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or get call dmg buffs

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tons of things to give self buffs from any gods that adapting is my fav

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more crit may very well be worse than having a clouded judgment, billowing strength and a poseidon call

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Yeah, FA is if you wanna hammer the framework of your build into place no matter what and value the god boons being there at all. Persuasion seems more like if you're willing to roll with whatever you get, but wouldn't mind being able to pick the details of what you're doing.

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both good but I'm more of an authority person just because. i really, really, REALLY do not need like 5 centaur heart rooms

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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In theory i imagined FP is when you're fishing VERY specific boons, while FA is to increase the average value of your rooms

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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And that kept happening to the point that I never want to leave Tartarus with a Single boon ever again

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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I've transitioned a lot of runs mid-run and got stupid stuff working cuz persuasion gave me value

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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but when FP can reroll the same/worse boons and has increasing costs, i don't think it serves its purpose very much

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:27 PM

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for example
https://imgur.com/44ihphP

Imgur

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This was a special spam run

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then in elysium it turned into call/atk run

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because salvaging runs is both fun and brain hurting

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

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soulja snaccer

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

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From experience, fated persuasion ends up being much more versatile and has a much bigger impact on my runs than fated authority

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and it also gives much more value to keys

twin mural Apr 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

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i wanna say though

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the scaling cost for persuasion feels not as worth using at earlier ranks

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it's partially why i never used it past the one time

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:30 PM

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And that's fine

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which is why it's more challenging and more rewarding for using it properly

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I can pretty reliably get the duo i'm hunting as long as I have a reroll or two, and that pretty much determines whether I win that run or lose it

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:30 PM

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it just feels awful to save your rerolls, take crappy heart/obol rooms and when you finally get to reroll, you reroll 3x, get nothing and waste all your dices

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:30 PM

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holy

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

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but that's my playstyle

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

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heart rooms are so good :p

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

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i feel like FA has much less variance

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heart rooms are so good :p
that might be your playstyle, i noticed you never turn tight deadline on, but for me hearts don't increase my damage, so they're not that good

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

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I tend to try and get the prereqs for duo, get a rarity boost from the well, and then take a skull room that has a boon that could give me a duo

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and 90% of time ill get that duo within one reroll

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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when there's 100 labor...ugh

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plus, deadline kills high dmg runs in elysium still,

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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but again

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we all have our own playstyles

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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7 mins in elysium where the strongbows just teleport everywhere, sure :p

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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it's been a good while since deadline hit me in elysium

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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plus I am an ice wine addict and need help

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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plus I am an ice wine addict and need help
i'm being converted to that as well

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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Not really? I can usually clear Elysium in like 7 minutes even with a mediocre build unless I start zoning out. I also avoid Calisthenics, though, since that plus Bruiser is guaranteed a HUGE time loss.

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...bruiser is the one with the giant health pool right? I get the names mixed up a lot

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Definitely, if you're running TD you don't put any points into jury summons/calisthenics

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I've been doing the 32 heat with all aspect challenge with Soledad but its turned into ice wine with every aspect

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I love Jury Summons! Hate Calisthenics.

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But the former turns into a nightmare with the latter @.@

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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i only put 1 point in jury summons if i must

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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oh u guys don't get those easy points...

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actually

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I max Jury Summons because it's fun hearing things go crunch.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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i am forced in 1 of both

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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i mean, for us TD is 5 easy points, so to each with their own i guess

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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so that's prob why I don't take td

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remember, those 2 combined are also 5 heat

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I guess balance in matter of this is good

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5 heat for 5 heat

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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it's a matter of playstyle

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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I think there are probably two major ways of doing 32+ heat: high dps and fast, or more defense and slow

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Max Jury Summons and FO is like, super fun. I just can't take the health up or I get bogged down with a bad benefits package room.

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and that's when TD becomes a problem >.>

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

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I just find Tight deadline tends to add more rng into my run

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and if things don't go my way, ill probably lose the run

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

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my builds tend to be more glass-cannon-y

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

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whereas if I don't take tight deadline, I have more room for adapting to what i'm given

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

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I just find Tight deadline tends to add more rng into my run
what do you mean? i dont get it

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all my runs have TD and FO, it's just free heat when you get used to it imo

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Because when i have a limited time to beat each biome, it requires me to have a strong enough build at that point in the run

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:38 PM

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as well as the boss changing one

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Because when i have a limited time to beat each biome, it requires me to have a strong enough build at that point in the run
it's virtually impossible to hit deadline in tartarus/asphodel, you only really need to get worried about your damage in elysium

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it gives you plenty of time to set up your build properly imo

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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u'll be surprised

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hitting td in tart has been a thing when I got 2 routine inspections

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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i only every hit deadline in tartarus when i foolishly spent 3+ minutes in an erebus lol

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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But i have plenty of runs where the damage isn't high enough for tight deadline, but it's still strong enough to safely clear chambers

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I also like... only run shield on higher heat combos, which probably contributes to a lot of my thought process? For me it either eats dirt at Hydra because I decide magma looks tasty, or I can breeze through Elysium and beyond without taking more than like, 40 health damage regardless of combo.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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oh shield

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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So anything defensive is like... extraneous to my weapon's capability by default.

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yeah I'm a zeus shield diehard lmao

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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shield is salvageable for almost 50% of the runs

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but if u got td, u get f'd a lot

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imagine poseidon special on shield

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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It's not virtually impossible to hit deadline tart/asphodel

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Got it before, still won

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Not really! It was literally only ever a problem like. Once or twice and that was when I forgot I had it on.

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And then AFK'd in Charon's shop without thinknig for like 40 seconds.

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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if you're given 3 boons by elysium, tight deadline will probably end you

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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like u said, never putting more enemy defence on

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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if you're given 3 boons by elysium, tight deadline will probably end you
that's where FA comes in, you'd force the game to never have only 3 boons by elysium

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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But if you're given the time to pull through and end up getting what you need, the run becomes a win

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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which is not my thing sadly, cuz as long as u can blast through them, .5s more taken isn't problem

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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that's all im saying

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i'm not saying one way is more valid than the other, only that there are merits for both ways of playing

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Yeah. It's picking my batles. If I'm confident that I just won't get hit, I can max out Hard Labor for that heat, get -50% or 75% healing, and skip calisthenics. Havign different heat combos is fun.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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the only heat options i don't ever touch are the mirror and boon decision ones

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

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I also like doing No Darkness runs for giggles, though, so Routine Inspection, up to a point, is also pretty negligible.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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wait wait wait

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Yeah. It's picking my batles. If I'm confident that I just won't get hit, I can max out Hard Labor for that heat, get -50% or 75% healing, and skip calisthenics. Havign different heat combos is fun.
@earnest ravine
no FO?

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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so we can incur that there are 2 valid playstyles: bursty with TD and FA, and more methodical with no TD and using FP

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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No, that's with FO.

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Approval process and routine inspection are unfortunate because all they do are force you to rely on rng

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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no hit from BF2?

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with FO?

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Hydra is honestly the only run killer because it's hard to react to both the head snaps and the magma dodging.

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...yeah?

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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I wanna watch, cuz imo that's not up to personal skills

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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My strat revolves around "Don't get hit"

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and so i don't

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Hydra is honestly the only run killer because it's hard to react to both the head snaps and the magma dodging.
that's one of the reasons why i run sisyphus, the healing is invaluable

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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I also run pierced butterfly for pretty much all runs so I get stronger the better I do.

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Probaably why I like FA so much, becaause I don't control my next boon per area.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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avoiding 15 extra fast teleporting numbskulls completely is imo not possible

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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THe WORST THING is the flamewheels after Hydra.

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I've gotten better at reading Numbskull dodges and with zeus recall it makes the teleports easier to deal with.

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Since if It starts getting overrwhelming I can use it to cover me.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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ugh, teleporting

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I'd say the majority of play styles at high heat fall into the two categories of glass cannony and fast, getting "free" heat from TD, and then the more defensive builds that can deal with more situations

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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DIfferent playstyles, yeah?

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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lmao the kamikaze baby chariots

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Hate those things too

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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and then the inbetween play style

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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...do Not ask me to run Chaos shield, I can not do it. But Zeus is comfy.

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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1 point in TD

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:47 PM

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holy

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:47 PM

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BP2 is manageable... except for teleporting slow aura flamewheels

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:47 PM

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chaos shield is 50% 32+ success rate for me, lul

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yeah, playstyle

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I know how to not get hit should I sacrifice dmg

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or, I just face tank hades eventually

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been there

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Oh I forgot about one more playstyle

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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one day i'll facetank hades w/ 100 labor

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1 day

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Yeah, it's absolutely not my thing. Dunno why, which stinks, because I wanna hear them talking and I know it's fantastic. But I got good and moderately speedy with Zeus, and it just doesn't make sense to me.

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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i always underestimate hades' damage when i decide to facetank him 😛

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Also i found out a fun “exploit” with the baby explody chariots: void stone invulnerability prevents them from exploding

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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godsspeed, soledad

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I like chaos shield with ares on special, arty attack, with Minotaur Rush and Charged Shot you can get 1500+ crits.

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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The last playstyle is force ice wine every single time and enjoy the easy win

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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but I do wish the extra shields had better pathing.

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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They basically become passive mobs, allowing you to take care of other enemies with greater ease

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Chaos shields imo is more about how to return main shields to you immediately

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Sorry, uh, Void Stone?

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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if one can do that, it's breeze

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the blue stones

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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OH

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Forgot that was their name lmao

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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The blue annoyances

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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it's bad for aoe builds

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but managable

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i thought they were blue brimstones lol

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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my chaoes shield build is currently w/ dio

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actually, hangover for me in 32 has becomes more and more important

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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My best guess is that the baby chariots have a single attack that just reduces their hp to zero since they explode upon death in any case

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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get hangover, and u got 2 free heat from blue hearts

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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chaos shield imo works with every single god, no exceptions

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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So void stones basically break them

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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i've played with all of them, except athena, but she's probably also good

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Hangover is so good for the blue shields.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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I've been using dio dashes recently

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Chaos shield would work with every god if the extra shields also carried boons
Grandma’s special doesn’t happen with the extra shields, just the first one

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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athena call is enough for me to tank things

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I really like Demeter dash.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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extra shields does carry boons iirc

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which is why i use dio on special

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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No, i tested it yesterday, some don’t work with the extra ones

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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interesting

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Chaos shield would work with every god if the extra shields also carried boons
Grandma’s special doesn’t happen with the extra shields, just the first one
i think that's just a visual bug

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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also, one hammer is useless with chaos shield

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the +3 bounce

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:51 PM

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probably because she's the newest god in the game

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I’ll have to run moar tests but i think only one of the shields chilled em

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM

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probably only one hitted but it looked like more did

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM

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just make sure the main shield bounce back to u immediately

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM

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because it definitely stacks

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM

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then if u got more than 1 chill, it's definitely applied

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I've used demeter on chaos before, sadly it's too long that I don't remember much about details

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but the chill burst def worked

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM

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special boons work with the extra shields

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM

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so it's visual bug..

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hmmmmm

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM

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but Ares is really the only boon I'd want on it.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM

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I mean, 2 stacks of dio is ares

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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hard to consistently apply it though, the extra shields are kind of random

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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1 stack of epic dio is 56 dmg, 1 stack of epic ares is 100

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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dio is nice since it gets 5 stacks almost instantly; demeter is nice when you get the burst for 10 stacks; poseidon is great if you get sea storm... everything works

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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u'll prob do it to them twice in 1.1s :p

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and, I hate this but, dio scales way better

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iirc lvl 2 of dio gets 16 more dmg

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so it's more like a pom prediction

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I mean you're right. Ares damage being time delayed and overall not super impressive past Elysium hurts.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:55 PM

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if u think u'll get more poms on the special, go dio

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otherwise, go ares

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:55 PM

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ares falls off a cliff late game, but then you get merciful end and it's all good again

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Bladerifts are where it's at though

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 PM

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ares still melts, 2bh, just dio works its way against blue hearts won my pref

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 PM

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So he has that going for him.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 PM

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my 32 chaos shield is on ares

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33 on dio

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both are pseudo-equvilant, imo

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:57 PM

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I think a lot of Ares' strength is in the fact that he's consistent no matter what point of the game you're at.

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...and also one of his weaknesses, because like you said, pom scaling doesn't do him a lot of favours.

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:58 PM

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You guys think we’ll get anything extra from the gods at some point after ambrosiaing them?
As in a keepsake that boosts/gives extra effects to their abilities

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Or a companion that strenghtens them

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Zeus could give you an eagle, Poseidon a bull or a horse, etc

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I don't think so, I think it just unlocks new dialogue options.

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Instead of having the gods themselves show

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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i had an idea that your keepsakes would reset and you could level them up again for more bonuses, it'd be interesting

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I don't thiink so, but even if they do go that route, they'd probably wait for all god bonds to be implemented first to not unbalance things.

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Plus a lot of them want you to holler at Nyx for them

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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No, i meant in future updates

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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so instead of god keepsakes being 10/15/20% they'd be 20/30/40%, something like that

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:00 PM

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But personally I don't think that's gonna be the case.

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I've seen rumors that maxing out a god's affinity slightly increases boon rarity but haven't been able to confirm.

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:00 PM

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That would be nice too

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Hmm, so if I start rumors right now, will you guys reference them? My mind cogs are turning

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:01 PM

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i've heard rumors that ice wine is the most refreshing beverage in the underworld

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:01 PM

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THATS NO RUMOR

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:01 PM

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What a coincidence, so have I!

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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and that it pairs nicely with a scintillating feast

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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It pairs quite nicely

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I prefer the 2016 vintage

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but that ran out years ago

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Need to find a dead sommelier and get a professional opinion on what ice wine pairs with best.

opal ginkgo Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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So question it’s not letting me give any gifts to dusa despite having them and having completed her favor is there a reason

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Do you have Ambrosia

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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You didn't drink enough ice wine is my guess

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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^

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Uhhh, what stage are her hearts at?

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Because after her favor you switch from nectar to Ambrosia

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Because she requires more Ambrosia per stage than everyone else after the first.

opal ginkgo Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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6

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Oh weird.

opal ginkgo Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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I have the ambrosia

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:03 PM

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You mean the big square bottles you get from dabbing on Theseus right?

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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ye

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Not regular round bottles

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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oh wait

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Right Solzon

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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you weren't asking chat

opal ginkgo Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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I was but yeah

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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sometimes you just have to wait a bit

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Maybe i've had too much ice wine...

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Did you finish her favour/prophecy THIS run?

opal ginkgo Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 PM

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No

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It’s been a couple runs

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Tell Dionysus to bugger off Strongdong

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:05 PM

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What a strange duo when you think of it, demeter and dionysus?

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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And it's all been solo conversations, she hasn't been hanging around anyone or been involved in other storylines?

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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and yesterday people said that exclusive access' icon is literally... ice on wine?!?!?! https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/thumb/3/32/Exclusive_Access.png/119px-Exclusive_Access.png?version=e72a6cfed6bd3e046ba948e5be8a0479

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I thought it was that, aye

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Still think it is

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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bring justice to ice wine

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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looks like a fancy Kleenex box

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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It’s olympian ice, it’s bound to look fancy

earnest ravine Apr 27, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Because if so that's, odd and shouldn't happen. You may want to F10 if going to Zagreus' room and then coming back doesn't let you do so, especially if you have 6 darn bottles, that's enough for any stage.

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:08 PM

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but what ice has symbols on the side

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plus its poseidon and dio

neon fiber Apr 27, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Olympian ice

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Ice is liquid water and demeter was likely not ingame yet

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Wait everyone stop. Ice is what!?

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:10 PM

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that ice has hades' beard/symbol/sigil in it?

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why is that?

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Wait everyone stop. Ice is what!?
I think ice is wine, which is why ice wine is so good!

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:10 PM

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it's special ice made to cool down hades' beard

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the hades' beard symbol is the obol symbol

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but this looks more like a question mark

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unless that little splash of wine is covering up that part

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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yeah, it seems to be

orchid jay Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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hello, which god gives u additional backspace jumps?

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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hermes

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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do you mean dashes? if so, hermes

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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hermes can give you additional dashes

orchid jay Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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ty

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 PM

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@orchid jay https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

Hades Wiki

The comprehensive community-driven wiki for Hades, a roguelike game about escaping from the underworld, from Supergiant Games, creators of Bastion and Transistor.

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fast link for more reference

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Also, @dense locust should I share that dio athena duo idea, lul

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:12 PM

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(does he have dash mapped to backspace?)

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:12 PM

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(zomg that's hardcore)

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:12 PM

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i think he mean back-space(bar) jumps

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:p

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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@naive laurel might as well, who knows how they decide what they think is worth adding to the game

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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K

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So my dio athena duo idea is:

"Drunken brawler": U have 15% chance reflecting attack from enemies that are inflicted by hangover.

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Athena should have at least one good duo, as opposed to the 3 bad ones and 1 meh one she has now.

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:14 PM

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prereq is pretty easy to deduct so not gonna detail

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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deadly reversal is quite good though

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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deadly reversal's value scales with your dmg output

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I think I sold one 2 days ago to tart customs for the sweet gold lul

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and then got it in elysium again

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I think that was last night

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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wait, really?

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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lol idk

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everything blends together these days

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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how time flys lul

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I think the spent spirit sell in tart was last nite

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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deadly reversal sells for boucoup

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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easy 1k gold entering elysium

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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only reason I'd ever take it

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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yesterday i had an idea for a demeter-athena duo: getting hit by a chill-afflicted enemy removes its chill stacks and makes you impervious for 2 seconds/1 second + 0.1s per chill stack removed

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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the only time I've ever bought a diamond from charon in styx was coz I sold deadly reversal in elysium

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I have a easier idea

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the phalanx shot applies 10 chill instantly

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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I have an even easier idea:

Make phalanx shot not suck

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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golden touch + 60% chaoes boon = buying out styx w/o entering tunnels

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phalanx shot is good already what u talking about

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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My initial feeling is to say insta 10 chill would be broken

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but then I remembered that you wouldn't be able to have ice win

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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make phalanx shot ice wine

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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lulul

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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a little ice wine might fix phalanx shot right UP

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I really should leave off the e from now on

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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phalanx shot only can be considered succing cuz it does not have good duo boons

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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compare it to ice wine and tell me it's still good

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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give it 10 chill stacks, insta profit

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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compare it to ares cast

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:19 PM

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ares cast sucs w/o hunting blades

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:20 PM

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The theme for duos seem to be the goal of a build. something that takes a build and elevates it

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:20 PM

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and the rarity dmg jump is huge that u have to have epic

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there's no decimals, it goes from 10 common and 11 rare to 13 epic

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so having epic is very important

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:21 PM

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for the damage of slicing shot?

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:21 PM

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yes

flat brook Apr 27, 2020, 1:21 PM

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The theme for duos seem to be the goal of a build. something that takes a build and elevates it
yea, i had a tanky athena build in mind with that idea

dense locust Apr 27, 2020, 1:21 PM

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okay just clarifying

soft pine Apr 27, 2020, 1:22 PM

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What if Crystal Beam shot ice wine...

naive laurel Apr 27, 2020, 1:23 PM

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and we have curse of longing