lol nice
#h1-builds-and-combat
neon fiber
spare zealot
now theres a dash build
Pulled this off today, god damn I love zeus rail. I don't even think the final boss took more than a couple minutes https://i.imgur.com/apVfMQ0.png
Whenever I just feel like making the game play itself for me I should just grab rail and zeus keepsake
checked the speedrun records for hades, of course they all use the rail
flat brook
only thing better than zeus rail is artemis spread fire rail
or anything spread fire lol
spare zealot
Yeah I watched the WR speedrun for this, damn artemis spread fire rail is dumb
crazy how much RNG manipulation goes into that run. Just watching them menu a million times and shoot a side of the arena for a bit for no reason other than manipulating RNG for probably styx
solid cairn
Wow I have a faster best time than people who have beaten 32 heat
I got insanely lucky tho
flat brook
Lawn mower rail starter pack https://i.imgur.com/Kk9JMAL.png
@solid cairn what's your best time?
solid cairn
Like 17 minutes
solid cairn
I used shotgun rail too
eager scarab
My best run was to my own surprise an exagryph run
With the shotgun hammer buff
It's so strong
solid cairn
Shotgun build is speedrun meta for a reason
eager scarab
Oh really? Makes sense
solid cairn
Yeah people beating runs in a little over 5 minutes
eager scarab
I need to see that wot
solid cairn
Seeded obviously
eager scarab
I haven't been paying attention to speedrunning at all damn
solid cairn
It’s close to or surpassed the time in last update with hydra phase skip
I can’t remember which
tepid ridge
I believe the record’s faster now, around <6 minutes?
turbid needle
It's under 4 minutes.
solid cairn
Bruh
turbid needle
solid cairn
That’s a very short speedrun
turbid needle
You think that's bad, the 32 record is under 6.
solid cairn
I want to see a Hades all aspects speedrun
Dunno how you would get seeds for all of them though
turbid needle
Grind out files until they find a good start, like they normally do.
turbid needle
It was.
sly sonnet
or did I understand wrongly
solid cairn
The current record is faster than any time with hydra skip
turbid needle
Speedrun.com lists IRL time as well as the in-game timer.
spare zealot
IMO they should be using realtime because menuing is a skill in itself but meh, I'm not speedrunning the game so it ain't my business
solid cairn
No dash% when
They should just have separate rankings for IGT and RT since both are listed anyway
spare zealot
Is that common to do in many games though? As far as I've seen communities only use one to rank. They'll list both, but generally use 1 to determine WR
flat brook
IGT is mostly used because RT can vary depending on the power of the hardware used
solid cairn
RT has more variables
flat brook
so if someone has a better pc it can be an unfair advantage
spare zealot
ah, yeah thats very true
solid cairn
That’s the main reason
spare zealot
thats a huge problem with PC speedruns yea
solid cairn
Like for console games RT is a good option
flat brook
and even for consoles there's problems, such as using an ssd vs an hdd, which greatly affects load times as well
spare zealot
ahhh, Only for PS4 and newer really. Most* PS3/360 games used vendor provided I/O API functions to load data from disk. Which for the PS3 and 360, was typically capped to allow developers to assume transfer rates and latencies. Which can be relevant for texture streaming.
Although I do believe there were a few PS3 games that Got Weird if you installed it on an SSD, so there is that
mint bloom
If it was RTA itd be so bad for me sometimes I'd be on a great time and then my puppy will need to go potty lol
And shes very vocal when she wants something 😆
eager scarab
Oh my god Hades why
I'm being given the choice of two boons (Zeus and Athena) or a hammer
glass ether
what is the name of the location after fields of elysium?
it's hard to google about this game 😄
eager scarab
Styx
real gust
the temple of styx, if it's still needed
weak rivet
Choose the gods, the hammer usually gets offered to you again
brave dune
So does Hermes, in case you're stuck with a choice related to him too
glass ether
Is cursed sword considered good?
inland meadow
hey so do attack boons assist with dash strike damage?
turbid needle
Yes.
inland meadow
nice
inland meadow
can you only get one chaos boon of each negative?
neon fiber
I think you can get as many as you want
inland meadow
like I can see that I can get multiple chaos boons that increase dash-strike for example but when I got 3 of those boons I found that one of them disappeared after the negative.
can the chaos boons not have duplicate negatives or is that a bug?
tepid ridge
They stack I believe, so instead of two boons with similar effects there’s only one that says “lv. 2”
flat brook
does aphro's life affirmation increase health from chaos boons?
turbid needle
Aspect of Zagreus Varatha's special damage increase, that's a base increase?
If I spawn into Explosive Launcher it will deal 75 base damage?
manic ermine
it works like other boon damage increases
turbid needle
Thank you.
mint bloom
@flat brook no it does not
flat brook
ty
mint bloom
@flat brook I suggest using fated persuasion. They work very well for getting epic chaos boons
And yw
naive tusk
It's a dark waffle! 💜 🥞
pearl willow
level 9 trippy shot, ice wine, scintillating feast and +70% cast damage from chaos was really amusing lol. shame trippy shot was only common rarity but still.
also there seems to be a weird interaction between ice wine (since it already seems to cast quite quickly) and hermes' flurry cast where i literally could not cast only one at a time even with only +20% cast speed.
sullen valley
You know what would be an interesting addition to the Pact of Punishment?
Some enemies may be fitted with the aid of Daedalus to counter your current weapon. Some enemies may even be fitted with familiar weapons...
primal sigil
What happens when a boon increases in rarity in the middle of a run
flat brook
what do you mean?
unkempt pagoda
the base value is increased and any levels (poms) on it recalculate based off the new base value
flat brook
any tips for 32 heat spear? it's by far my worst weapon, only cleared 2x with it
dense locust
I'd say my favorite aspects are achilles and guan yu, but they should both be maxed ideally
take achilles and dio's keepsake and try and get trippy shot
the goal is ice wine
hammer honestly doesnt matter but I like extending jab and flurry jab on this build. Aphro would be ideal on attack for damage reduction so demeter should go on special. Athena dash, athena or poseidon call
Ideally no more than 1 in the heat that adds a blue heart to everything
getting an extra cast from chaos is obviously a priority (3 casts is unnecessary because you get 2 boosted casts per special recall)
And obviously stygian soul from the mirror
It's a fun build. I'd also take fiery presence because your main damage is ice wine and will mostly just use attack to remove Damage Control (if its on) or keep enemies weak
flat brook
ty, i'll give it a try
looking good so far, got chaost +1 cast and scintillating feast in tartarus
dense locust
sweet, doing a zeus variant? I'd still try and force ice wine in asphodel
flat brook
zeus just appeared and on the 2nd encounter gave me the duo lol
flat brook
yeah, i put on demeters keepsake in asphodel now
dense locust
Achilles really has grown on me. Used to be a guan yu snob. I love the ability to throw your spear back, run forward and cast, and then special back to safety if I need to
flat brook
i dont think ice wine is happening 😦 demeter appeared only once in asphodel and didn't appear at all in elysium. going to styx my purge options were scintillating feast, trippy shot and the demeter boon, so i had to sell that one
let's home i get 2 demeters and get lucky now in styx
achilles has been quite disorientating for me haha teleporting through the entire room
naive laurel
ice wine need a core demeter boon
so it might be why it's not showing up on dio too i think
naive laurel
unfortunate, since I do presume u have the +legendary and duo chance talent
flat brook
yup
naive laurel
on that note @dense locust I might try double routine inspection later, but also force exclusive access
might work if I try enough times
dense locust
To be honest, despite what the mirror traits say they do, I've had better experience finding duos and legendaries with the original mirror traits on
dense locust
Idk how the actual mechanics work, but once I have the prereqs, if I get a Increase-the-rarity-of-the-next boon boost, I can get the duo or legendary most of the time after 1 reroll
flat brook
wish*
dense locust
Just play smart
good luck
But clearly this build, or at least your adaptation to it, is working splendidly!
I guarantee that would be a win if ice wine showed up
flat brook
damn, died when he had 1/4 health
dense locust
oof
flat brook
yeah, demeter being shy made things way harder
dense locust
yeah sometimes forcing a build is just impossible
other times you'll get literally everything and more
flat brook
i'll try one more time
dense locust
Do you have fiery presence on in the mirror?
flat brook
yes
dense locust
awesome
yeah if you got there on your first try
you'll beat it within a few runs im sure
flat brook
hopefully
funny how the best way to beat with the spear is to barely use it lol
just relying on casts and achilles to buff it
dense locust
well not necessarily the best
guan yu special build also packs a punch
Try that one if you get bored
or have trouble completing the run
it's just a little more glass cannon
I can lay out the rough basics of that one if you're interested
flat brook
oh boy, here we go again
first zeus in tartarus
I can lay out the rough basics of that one if you're interested
@dense locust please do
this is looking promising, lv 3 epic trippy shot and 7 rerolls
fopefully i dont whiff ice wine
hopefully*
spare zealot
Does anybody use the demeter boon that does damage if all enemies are chilled?
earnest ravine
Yup!
spare zealot
I've always skipped that one because that seems like such a rare scenario unless I'm going full demeter
earnest ravine
It's essentially free damage constantly on bosses.
flat brook
it's pretty much always active in boss fights
earnest ravine
Melts them like paper.
naive laurel
u don't even need to go full demeter
spare zealot
it's a boss boon, I ghet it
earnest ravine
And if you get Demeter call, it ALSO similarly melts entire waves of enemies.
spare zealot
thanks, thats so obvious in retrospect, but now I have another significant damage option for boss fights
earnest ravine
I normally grab it high priority if I have her dash and/or Call and save my other boons for other gods.
plus its a pre-requisite for her legendary, so it's still nice to have for that free chunk of damage
flat brook
demeter's legendary is the most well done in the game
she reaps the bosses when they die
spare zealot
damn now I might try a demeter twin fists build
flat brook
pls demeter, you're once again the only one missing https://i.imgur.com/suTzXoR.png
mighty ermine
pearl willow
got 6 zeus boons, 5 ares boons, both vengeances and even had two zeus/ares trials and still can't get the damn duo for the prophecy lol
flat brook
Who needs ice wine? https://i.imgur.com/g3LL3pR.png
Ty for all the help @dense locust @naive laurel
naive laurel
welp, u finished this, while i'm still stuck at 32 heat zag aspect sword, lul
40 tries already
flat brook
i did it with nemesis, zag must definitely be harder
@pearl willow afaik you can't get duo boons if both gods are in the same trial, you can try getting the mirror skill that makes you more likely to get duos + fated persuasion
naive laurel
Oh I don't have a choice on the aspect either
I'm just trying to get all aspect done 32
naive tusk
Congratz! 🎉
naive laurel
welp, cursed strike with 100% consequences, that's a cheat :p
earnest ravine
hunting blades is broken
aand gets MORE broken the more you buff
It is so much damage.
earnest ravine
Sorry I didn't respond faster orz
grand citrus
got past meg with my second weapon, feels good
gauntlets seem like theyd benefit a lot from *athena
who i regretably didnt run into
glass ether
Am I right to think that fists with Athena's deflection is awesome?
grand citrus
seeing as it allows you to play more agressively than normal id say so
earnest ravine
It's great and also hilarious to no-sell pretty much any attack if you time it right.
dense locust
@flat brook Hey awesome to see that! Looks like you found your own version of the build. Ill have to try that zeus variant. Try out ice wine some day though, it's very satisfying
Oh yeah, hunting blades is one of the best duos for what it adds, but i would have taken one of the others for the prophecy anyway @glass ether
grand citrus
generally speaking, is artemis or ares more benefitial for gauntlets?
still trying to figure out some sort of priority hierarchy for different builds and weapons lol
dense locust
Well
Generally speaking, I would say artemis
But a fair amount of my runs from 0-20 heat were ares cast builds for whatever reason (stygian soul...)
But specifically artemis special on demeter aspect
But i wouldn't say there is a clear hierarchy for every weapon/aspect
grand citrus
ahh i dont have demeter yet, ill make sure to remember that though ty
naive tusk
There is, indirectly speaking. Zeus' attack has a high spot when using the gauntlets or railgun but a lower one when using the bow, for example
naive laurel
Alright @flat brook also good luck from your run success I guess :p
https://imgur.com/BveVr8i
earnest ravine
I also wouldn't put Ares attack on fists as a general rule, but that could just be because I can't make it work super well (though special's more than workable).
naive laurel
40, fing, tries
naive laurel
yeeeeeeee
naive tusk
@grand citrus For Malphon, Zeus' Lightning Strike is great; getting Static Discharge and/or Splitting Bolt makes it better. Artemis' boons in general are good for Malphon as well. You can also get Dionysus' Drunken Strike or Demeter's Frost Strike for quick applications of their status curses
naive tusk
For the Special, a hard hitting one like Aphrodite's or Artemis'. Ares' can work too if not using Aspect of Demeter
naive laurel
1 thing is for sure, sword zag aspect is too sheer utility :p
naive tusk
From there on, you can customize your build but those are nice to start with 
dense locust
There are just a lot of factors involved. Everything from adapting to what you've been given, to heat choices, mirror trait choices, keep sake choices, and hammer choices. There are certainly some boons that are objectively better on a certain weapon/aspect, but I also dislike the thinking of creating a hierarchy because I've seen people make builds work for themselves that I would never have touched.
For example, athena attack for Malphon is first priority for me, but not for a lot of others
earnest ravine
Athena attack Melphon is SUPER good. I find it funnier to do it on the special as a hard callout/read, but attack is better overall.
naive laurel
@tepid ridge I have been there before, the situation is usually caused by not having a core/prerequisite boon from a god, and all other non-core-reliant options are depleted. It's, 2bh, just a about calculation, and knowing forehand this will happen, and not pick up the boon.
Unless, u are being forced, then that's something unfortunate, but imo as such rare occasion, it's understandable
and a part of the randomness in the game
tepid ridge
You’re objectively right for sure, but also it feels like a weird choice to make players who want a guarantee of keeping their current build keep track of what they’ve seen and not seen before playing the game and picking stuff up as was intended. It’s not emergent gameplay, just forcing the player to do the source code’s job imo. I also don’t think I had picked up any other Dio boons that run, especially since Theseus had just summoned him against me the previous bossfight.
naive laurel
So in this case there's premium vintage not picked yet....I guess it's both unlucky on the boons and unlucky on the offers
turbid needle
Show of hands: Who actually thinks Rocket Bomb is balanced right now and are not just enjoying the OP wave like speedrunners with Spread Fire?
glass ether
any advice how to deal with Hades phase 2? I have the most problem with green urns
maybe it mostly panic
turbid needle
Actively break some urns in a group when he first summons them.
earnest ravine
It's mostly panic when you first start gettng there. Try and keep your distance from any not-exploded urns, make your own safe spots by smashing them, and rememeber that all of his attacks destroy the urns, too.
Sometimes he does an urn summon right as a skull explodes and that combo, while VISUALLY overwhelming, is honestly best case scenario if you dash into a safespot. As long as you don't freak out and keep an eye on what he's doing, they probably won't catch you unawares.
glass ether
oh, those skulls explode after the timer?
earnest ravine
Yeah. That blast wave destroys any urns they hit, which... is usualyl all of them.
glass ether
I got to him only once, I killed all of them I think. Should I keep doing that?
turbid needle
Yeeaaahhhh, Dad's version of Lightning Rod is way better.
glass ether
wow, it's that bad
earnest ravine
I'd say don't overly focus on smashing all of them, just make yourself a nice little spot where you can dodge his stuff.
He'll normally do the work for you, and when he summons more, the old ones go away, anyways.
earnest ravine
Good luck!
glass ether
oh well
but mostly I got screwed by adds at the first stage. I forgot about them. Died both times, it took me forever to kill them
seems to me that Hades isn't that hard as I thought.. Minotaur and spear dude much worse 😄
probably should always clear urns behind the pillar so I can hide from that
or have Athena aid 😄
earnest ravine
That'd help but also, don't forget your dash!
It has built in invul frames, might help you if that happens again,
glass ether
oh, I dash like a madman. And I had three dashes this run. I was afraid that I will dash into laser
earnest ravine
Still, that's SUPER close for your second attempt at second phase? Good job.
more than fair, it's scary sometimes
turbid needle
Looked like they were trying to thread the laser needles.
nova fable
I'm not sure I can ask this here: can I use more modifiers than requested to get every reward? because I'd like to use more but if I do the game tells me they're too much and to lower the challenge. I'm not sure if I'm forced to do every level once at the time or i get get more of them in a single run.
earnest ravine
You'll only get the Heat rewards one at a time.
nova fable
Ok thanks. I admit it feels kinda tedious this way :/ I'd like to explore more of the game but i'm forced to do it very slowly
dense locust
Hey anyone remember what broken spear point used to do?
naive laurel
@turbid needle I think u just foretold what devs had in mind
since that table is interactable, meaning protentional future development.
turbid needle
The weights are interactable.
naive laurel
might be too :p
mint bloom
@glass ether be mindful of doing your last dash because theres a long vulnerability period after you dash the last time. If you get anything over 2 just make sure to count em so you don't get whacked by hades a bunch
turbid needle
@dense locust Broken Spearpoint does the same thing it's always done, it used to have no cooldown between procs.
glass ether
@mint bloom oh yeah, I do know that 🙂
mint bloom
Oh ok, just making sure because I didn't know that for the longest time
glass ether
is the item from Charon pool which guarantees that then next boon will be rare good? seems meh for me
mint bloom
I use it when I have extra money
turbid needle
If you haven't invested a lot into Olympian Favor it's not bad, or if you use Olympian Legacy.
mint bloom
Or when I do rng manip
Best way for rare or epic boons now is fated persuasion. They are clutch. Also it makes getting duo boons way easier
naive laurel
Btw, what do u guys think about the amount of available purchases in the shop
3 feels a bit too rng for me atm
dense locust
Lol okay that makes sense, I remember it being so much more broken than every other keepsake. I still prefer it most of the time in styx and sometimes elysium @ @turbid needle
turbid needle
Acorn is good, but so is not eating lives to poison.
dense locust
No
mint bloom
I dont get poisoned much in sticks, i hug healing wells just in case
dense locust
This was a bare bones achilles build and it melted: https://imgur.com/hazXdVZ
I lost a dd and a lot of health because I stopped caring
And how can you deny 1.5 seconds of invul for just 1 instance of damage
mint bloom
I am gonna do a 2 boon run. One with a heroic pressure points to however high
And a random boon
dense locust
Ah I think schpoon posted their run here of a 10% pressure points
mint bloom
15 is highest ive gotten so far
turbid needle
Achilles with Hunting Blades and Stygian Soul is just gross.
dense locust
15 would be level 9 heroic?
mint bloom
Yes with a few levels
dense locust
It is pretty gross
mint bloom
Heroic starts off at 7% I would like to say
turbid needle
6%.
mint bloom
Or 6 Iono
dense locust
but not quite
dense locust
I didn't even have a single cast damage boost from chaos or even viscious cycle
mint bloom
Forcechaos
dense locust
They did give me 2 extra casts
glass ether
Upgrade for Infernal trove "each contains more". Will it increase number of enemies?
earnest ravine
It doesn't, just increases the max reward.
glass ether
thanks! ummm. is dash-attack spam is more effective with fists than just attacking?
I have Athena lvl 2 on attack, but dashspam deals much more damage
and also I have dash debuff from Wine god
took half HP of hydra in 2 sequences
flat brook
i really like stacking dash strike on the fists, and just hold attack and dash, with 1~2 attacks inbetween each dash
glass ether
yeah, I do the same
does weak works on bosses?
it offers me duo low tolerance. I have Afrodite cast
and hangover from dash
is it good? for hades specifically
another choice is 10% damage reduction
real gust
I've seen you can cast weak on a boss, but was usually too busy to see if it actually makes some difference
probably does
glass ether
I already have some DR, maybe adding more is nice
dense locust
weak works on bosses
DR stacks multiplicatively (should be an easy to look up formula for that online)
glass ether
yay, first Hades kill!
real gust
glass ether
now to put the game down until 1.0 
real gust
it's a long way to 1.0... sure you can manage not playing it any more?
glass ether
sure, there are a lot of games around 😄
story in Hades is so awesome, I even started skipping some dialogues, so I know less
real gust
that's a very interesting approach. you want to save the story until the game is out of EA?
glass ether
yeah
ouch, I really wanted to see what happens after you finish the run
this is disappointing 😄
but yeah, the game is hard to put down.
I wanna figure out how to play with ranged weapons, they seems rather weak for me now. But the same I was thinking about fists, and now my first finished run is with fists
real gust
i don't get how to play with the bow tbh
i usually like ranged weapons, but same, it does seem a bit weak
especially compared to the spear or the sword with the damage they can give out per second
glass ether
like, the idea would be you are out of range of danger, and the low damage is downside. But you aren't out of danger really 😄
real gust
with the rate of fire you really aren't
opal ginkgo
Hey question does the Demeter boon for increased life gain apply to life steal like aspect of Guan yu’s
restive widget
@real gust I used to feel the bow was really had too, but give the charged special a shot, with Artemis special
get up close so all the shots of the special hits the target
real gust
i usually do most of the damage by special as well, when I'm using the bow
but i still feel like it's rather weak... idk, maybe i want too much
restive widget
make sure to go for the crits of Artemis, though
I switched to Demeter special once because I got offered an Heroic, but it was less effective
gray lintel
the bow special is primarily just kinda clunky
low chargeup and unreliable hits
the default bow is quite good if you meatshot people tho in melee
restive widget
I don't agree. If you get close with it, it's extremely effective
gray lintel
er default special
neon fiber
Unless you either shotgun it or use Chiron
gray lintel
i said clunky, not bad :p
neon fiber
That’s why Chiron is best bow
restive widget
you also said unreliable hits 😉
gray lintel
like up close it's got a huge delay before and after you fire where you just kinda pose awkwardly
it is outside of up close :v even up close it's sensitive to where you turn
restive widget
that's true, but I find it easy to use, tbh
gray lintel
it can carry you especially with the +4 shots, though, and it's great with demeter
primal sigil
@glass ether congrats!
restive widget
On the other hand, I can't really make the shield work, and that seems to be everyone's favorite
gray lintel
because everyone is WEAK
:O
tbh my actual favorite is probably the artemis rail, great special and primary
seeeecondary favorite is probably the spear or the fists?
(spear is actually my fastest run by far)
restive widget
I love the fists and the spear 🙂 my best ones
I haven't completed runs with the blade or shield yet
gray lintel
tbh i think people who don't like the spear both A. don't dash enough B. think of it as a melee weapon
restive widget
that non-returning special on spear is amaaazing
gray lintel
shield ironically probably has some of the fastest attack speed in the game if you dash attack + regular attack, especially with the hits twice attack
also good special and damage immunity from one direction whole holding the bull rush
i right now prefer the triple-hit dash attack on spear
it's just so good
glass ether
@restive widget who gives that, do you remember? Or it's name
real gust
tbh i think people who don't like the spear both A. don't dash enough B. think of it as a melee weapon
@gray lintel yes and yes
the main feature of the spear is the reach
real gust
you can keep everyone at bay while still poking them with it
flat brook
and if i wanted reach i'd go with bow or rail
real gust
the dash attack has terrible tracking
@flat brook what does that mean
flat brook
at least spear is my least played weapon because of that
restive widget
@glass ether: if you mean the non-returning spear, that's a Hammer upgrade
glass ether
yep, thanks!
flat brook
@real gust you have to manually aim every dash attack, or the hits will miss
whereas with every other weapon you don't
at least with controller
gray lintel
> tracking
restive widget
I also like the flurry attack on spear 🙂 Great damage.
gray lintel
the spear dash attack has like an AOE of half the screen :x
real gust
it does
well I'll just defend the spear with my life since it's my most played weapon 🤣 I'll just see myself out rn
naive laurel
well....https://imgur.com/LnnvsOZ
lost 3 Patroclus dd to hades cuz game don't want me to have defensive options ever since elysium
gray lintel
like my best run was because of artemis attack, artemis dash, and 2 dashes with epic hermes for another +4 dashes
naive laurel
holy shield is the best I got
gray lintel
so all I did was just spam dash and the entire screen was dead
restive widget
nice
flat brook
even stacking serrated edge + artemis dash, my dash attacks didnt seem like they were doing a whole lot
but maybe it's a matter of taste
i just find it weird that every other weapon apart from the spear is usable and fun for me lol
real gust
spam dash
that's what i do when using the spear EVERY time
gray lintel
this was before the dash hits three times thing even
real gust
because on lower levels it's just "huh so I'll stand in the corner and poke everyone" and then there's like 40 foes in the room
and all i can do is run around and dash attack
gray lintel
dash attack only does 20 damage sure but the attack speed is limited to the number of dashes you have
in fact basically all weapons in the game have dashes resetting your attack timer, in general
it seems
real gust
i just find it weird that every other weapon apart from the spear is usable and fun for me lol
@flat brook well you did say so yourself, it IS a matter of taste
there is an attack timer...?
wonder where my eyes went when i was playing
gray lintel
you have a short cooldown after attack before you can attack again
dashing seems to reset this near as I can tell for the most part
this is why spread attack artemis rail deletes everything
glass ether
This Dire Misfortune from the screenshot above, does it means apply Doom on several enemies, or you can somehow stack Doom on one enemy? Or it means after each successful stack?
flat brook
This boon chart says that sunken treasure will considered as taken for the purposes of huge catch... does that also mean that if sunken treasure is your only poseidon boon, you'll get the family favorite bonus even though it doesn't appear in the boon list? https://i.imgur.com/cIv07cc.jpg
gray lintel
it means you can stack doom on the same enemy
glass ether
@gray lintel you always can do it??
gray lintel
the scaling is not very good however, the ares/athena boon is much better which immediately triggers doom once you hit them with an attack that deflects
real gust
This Dire Misfortune from the screenshot above, does it means apply Doom on several enemies, or you can somehow stack Doom on one enemy? Or it means after each successful stack?
@glass ether if I'm not mistaken is stacks on one enemy
gray lintel
@glass ether you can always dash cancel the attack cooldown AFAIK yes
er
normally doom once applied is just there, hitting them again will not increase the doom damage
glass ether
^^
gray lintel
dire misfortune will add extra damage when the doom plops
glass ether
so, it might be somewhat decent on a very long fight
gray lintel
ares/athena duo means hitting them with a deflecting ability instantly triggers the doom damage so you can doom them again
this is usually done with athena dash so you can dash into them, then dash attack, immediately applying doom again and effectively having doom damage on every attack
for that reason, single target doom damage is basically just 100% this duo and so dire misfortune just is kind of sorta... bad? 
glass ether
oh, speaking about Athena, what is the purpose of her cast?
real gust
it deflects
glass ether
but why do I want it from a projectile?
gray lintel
Athena cast has the highest base damage in the game near as I can tell.
glass ether
I thought Ares" cast is the best
gray lintel
Also it's both slow travelling and deflects in flight, making it very good defensively.
naive laurel
Athena cast is surprisingly good dmg, and good against both hydra and hades
real gust
oh yes and it also has the highest damage, so you can both deflect the incoming attacks with it and do some nice dmg
gray lintel
Ares cast has the second lowest base damage for a cast in the game it just hits a lot :p
glass ether
so say I throw Athena cast to a melee boss and keep poking with a spear, his attacks, won't hit me until the cast fly past him?
gray lintel
(lowest goes to demeter)
deflect on melee attacks is kind of sort of iffy?
like I know [REDACTED] the final boss has one attack which ignores deflect
(or seems to at least)
glass ether
I still don't get it :D. Enemies won't attack the cast, right? How it's gonna do deflecting?
real gust
which one it is? i thought i was just seeing things
gray lintel
The cast itself will have a hitbox, if things hit the hitbox they're deflected.
kinda simple as that
glass ether
right
naive laurel
Athena's cast does not lead to the deflect upgrades
gray lintel
Most projectiles can be 'countered' by literally any attack, special, or cast. Stuff like witch projectiles. You then have the 'uncounterable' waves and stuff.
naive laurel
well, not the reposte ofc
gray lintel
Deflect, for 95% of stuff in the game, will deflect them back instead, applying a damage boost(because outgoing damage is higher).
real gust
i thought you need a boon for making the deflected damage higher
naive laurel
i think player has built-in dmg reduction, instead of deflect making dmg higher
gray lintel
For projectiles it's easy. "are the hitboxes touching". As far as I can tell, deflect hitbox lasts a different time than the hit hitbox. Slow specials like Sword Special will have a lingering deflect aura for longer than the special length.
flat brook
This boon chart says that sunken treasure will considered as taken for the purposes of huge catch... does that also mean that if sunken treasure is your only poseidon boon, you'll get the family favorite bonus even though it doesn't appear in the boon list? https://i.imgur.com/cIv07cc.jpg
does anybody know?
gray lintel
no, the damage is altered. 40 damage incoming is reflected as significantly more than 40 damage outgoing. I'm not sure exact amounts.
real gust
oh, cool
gray lintel
Charming an enemy does the same thing. This is why there used to be a bug where charmed enemies would accidentally hti you.
Which resulted in you instantly and immediately dying.
because charmed enemies have a big damage boost applied to them, because player and enemy damage values are significantly different
real gust
what's the purpose of the boon that makes the reflected dmg higher then? to make it even MORE?
Which resulted in you instantly and immediately dying.
@gray lintel nice
gray lintel
yes. And I think the damage boost may be an alteration to base damage?
also brilliant riposte is the only prereq for basically the best legendary in the game so
naive laurel
I'd just think player has a 90% dmg reduction for all incoming dmg
gray lintel
(tl;dr you should seriously consider snagging brilliant riposte if only for the chance of getting a damage barrier to negate one attack every 20 seconds)
proud storm
huge catch requires you to have picked both ocean's bounty and sunken treasure (at least once in a run for the latter)
gray lintel
and no player doesn't have damage reduction unless they like... actually have damage reductions from somewhere? The damage values are just different.
glass ether
so much info 
real gust
same
naive laurel
That's too much coding work 2bh, making them have a default value of dmg taken from all sources is way easier to code for the sake of reflect
proud storm
TIL you have a 0.3% chance of getting a diamond from poseidon's sunken treasure
real gust
you have WHAT
naive laurel
read the wiki, lul
proud storm
this is so funny
gray lintel
I'm not sure how a base multiplier when you convert a projectile to a deflected projectile is "too much coding work"
naive laurel
READ IT
gray lintel
And again based on previous bugs that does seem to be the case, see charmed enemies instantly killing you.
real gust
who needs wiki for looking up the boons when you can read about your faves in there
glass ether
speaking about charmed enemies, do they have friendly fire? I have a feeling that the minotaur damaged me a lot in one run
naive laurel
bosses are charmed for very short duration
real gust
i think it's because you charm bosses for like 1 sec or something so they still have enough time to damage you
oh
sorry
flat brook
i once charmed asterius when he was charging the spin and he insta procced theseus' 2nd phase lol
glass ether
ohhhhhh
real gust
nice
gray lintel
bosses seem to me to be temporarily stunned at least, not entirely sure about charmed
proud storm
they're charmed for such a short duration it's practically a stun kinda
naive laurel
Oh, and hazard bomb doing 1% to self also kinda proves my point of dmg taken for Zag is reduced instead of deflected dmg being increased.
Since these 2 sharing 1 code is better than 2 seperate issue
gray lintel
n...no?
i don't know what possessed you to think that that proves that zag just has damage reduction, special doesn't even do percent damage to enemies
naive laurel
special does its dmg's 1% to urself, Not % dmg to enemies
gray lintel
it has a fixed base damage to enemies regardless of their health, and exactly 1%(rounded up, I guess, if the game doesn't keep track of integer health) of damage to you
there are two seperate damage values there is no 'damage reduction'
real gust
naive laurel
No? the dmg value to urself is tied to the dmg to enemies
gray lintel
like yes, it is possible that projectiles in general in the game have two seperate damage values for you/the enemies
no, it literally isn't. It's 1% of your health
naive laurel
Ugh, nope
I've done 7 to myself with 200 max health
it's 1% of the dmg of the bomb
go try It urself
gray lintel
or I guess yeah the wording is weird and it's 1% of damage to yourself, but still that's taking the damage and modifyingg it by 1% before applying to yourself, exactly like what I stated what deflect and charm (probably) does
naive laurel
don't u think now u are kinda stretching?
u know what, I'll just go deep dive in the code and find out after I sleep
gray lintel
like okay either you modify all incoming damage to reduce it, or you modify all outgoing damage from deflect and charm only. one of those two is quicker. (they're both about the same code-wise tbh)
modifying incoming damage would also make it significantly harder to balance("lets see, this enemy right now does about 400 damage. ...how much damage is that to Zag though?")
proud storm
i'll just go and try it out
turbid arch
Is it just me or is Artemis' legendary impossible to get these days?
tepid ridge
It’s new prereqs are both dual shot and exit wounds, meaning it shows up in a great deal fewer builds including those with a cast that doesn’t embed in foes. Also, hello again @turbid arch I recognize you from several other roguelite discords haha.
turbid arch
Yeah, I am pretty much all over the place!
So both Exit Wounds and Dual Shot
That's just heinous.
And I mean, even if you get both, you are still subject to RNG on the goddess with the largest boon pool.
Damn.
tepid ridge
Lmao “Icebox is typing” immediately after in feedback channel. Yeah they changed it to avoid speedrun/Artie meta but it’s super unsatisfying.
solid cairn
Artemis attack still meta in speedruns
proud storm
yeah so regarding hazard bomb's self damage, with no special damage boons/buffs of any kind and with about 340 health it deals 2 damage to you
the same thing but with a +86% special damage increase deals 3 damage
used a pom to up the special damage to +127% and i now take 4 damage
so yeah it doesnt seem tied to your health
but rather to how much bonus damage your special deals
manic ermine
it does 1% to you
nova fable
Me: great, 3 more dashes, with those I can do way more damage
Also me: forgets about it and keeps dashing twice at the time
eager scarab
What would y'all say are some gods that work well with the shield? using zag aspect.
gray lintel
all of them
Ye Olde Speedruns used to use ares doom on the special with athena dash for deeps. I like having it on the attack instead.
eager scarab
I'll try out an Athena and Ares run then. Don't believe I've ever gone with that pairing before
The shield is my most successful weapon and, yeah, most builds I go with end up in cleared runs
But I never feel I'm really doing the best with it. Or that I've picked well synergized boons for it
civic grotto
I just beat Hades for the first time. I wasn’t expecting to but I got some pretty good boons and upgrades with the hammer using the rail
gray lintel
rail is my highest heat weapon for some reason
the start is slow but with upgrades it just churns through stuff
marsh pawn
bow dont have aoe?
gray lintel
the special is sort of AOE but other than that no
marsh pawn
would be nice if hera aspect exploded on contact, like the explosive arrow from RAMBO
dealing some decent aow
aoe
ill make post it on feedback
unkempt pagoda
there’s an explosive arrow hammer upgrade
gray lintel
therre is arrow pierce, arrow chain, and arrow asplode
flat brook
the bow has innate aoe if you hit the enemies in a line
marsh pawn
@flat brook thats a loe (line of effect) not aoe
quartz crow
"wow im doing much better" in max heat with chaos shield this time
realizes god mode was on nvm
haven't been playing but did try out hell mode
doesn't sound bad
one punishment is exclusive to it though (unless there's more when you beat the game)
naive tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/703336198273499236/Machinegun_Exagryph.png
This machinegun is on fire 🔥
spare zealot
Support Fire is so good on the fists and gun
quartz crow
isn't it a gun
spare zealot
because it's a video game and the gun is already overpowered enough lol
spare zealot
why does the gun have unlimited ammo if we want to go down that route :P
quartz crow
maybe bow 4th aspect should be robin hood
4th aspect of rail be clint eastwood
4th aspect of shield be captain america
no clue for fists
who is a famous gunman?
in arthur guan yu sense
only gunman ik are from anime
alucard being the greatest
solid ruin
gray lintel
aspect of dio
rich cedar
Finally got done with the prophecy to finish with all of the pacts punishment
5 blood into chaos shield and 5 into bow of chiron
blood just disappears so quickly
delicate nimbus
Annie Oakley is a famous pistol user. John Wayne would be a good use for a rifleman
turbid needle
So far both of the Legendary Aspects have been famous weapons as well.
quartz crow
you mean famous legends
neon fiber
there's not much of a difference in this particular case
eager scarab
Oh my goodness the aspect of Arthur is incredible
Just unlocked it
It's heavy strike does 1000 dmg with the Artemis attack boon as early as Tartarus
neon fiber
Yeah, the arthur aspect is the mother of all boomsticks
Pretty slow but you can work around that by dashing, since dashes do not interrupt arthur’s combo
eager scarab
My workaround was getting lucky with a 30% attack speed up with hermes
This run is going great, all epics, exactly the boons I want
Noice
eager scarab
Yup
neon fiber
Very nice
eager scarab
Athena on special means I can deflect everything
neon fiber
10/10 choices
Can’t go wrong with poseidon dash
neon fiber
And then the circle just slows down further projectiles to add insult to injury
eager scarab
Lmao yeah
Chaos with the 80% special damage boost
I'm coming for that final boss' booty
tepid ridge
@weak rivet Discussion probably fits better here. Also yea, fated persuasion let’s you reroll boons and Pom options you get etc
tepid ridge
What did you end up choosing?
pliant palm
Hi, I've just unlocked the pact of punishment and I have a question about it : I currently want to do a shield run, but don't have the Elysium/Styx bounties for 0 heat. There isn't any point to do a run with heat in that case, right ?
neon fiber
Yes
Each heat resets the bounty
But you gotta clear runs with the previous amount of heat to get the reset
0 heat is basically just regular runs
So basically, if you get one or more heat your bounty will be reset for that weapon, and it will stay like that until you clear it
weak rivet
@tepid ridge Pom and Aphro
pliant palm
Okey, so my goal rn is prob to beat the game at 0 heat with all weapons
neon fiber
Then when you clear it it’ll reset when you have two or more heat
pliant palm
Thanks c:
flat brook
Insane hera bow run so far, going into styx now. Trippy shot, scintillating feast, splitting bolt, ice wine and bad news, also +1 cast from chaos https://i.imgur.com/RwgHyt8.jpg
neon fiber
st?
pliant palm
Yeah, sorry x)
neon fiber
I assumed, aye
Wait you got the pact of punishment and you haven’t gotten a leggy yet?
man that’s rotten luck
neon fiber
Oh wow that’s early
pliant palm
Idk how common/uncommon are legendary
neon fiber
Pretty common
pliant palm
Got a few duos, but thats it
neon fiber
You’ll usually get one or two per run
neon fiber
Aye
pliant palm
But it's not maxxed yet
neon fiber
There’s a latter one for legendary boons too
neon fiber
So both leggy and uncommons will become pretty common
pliant palm
Welp, that's good then
flat brook
Hera bow is pretty fun when you get everything you need https://i.imgur.com/tRzUsrO.jpg
neon fiber
lmao
pliant palm
Got my 1st win with the bow 
Seems really strong
Or maybe I was just lucky, I don't really know lol
flat brook
the bow needs some getting used to but once you get the hang of it it's pretty good
flat brook
twin fists
neon fiber
Wait really?
I’m the opposite
great with gauntlets suck at bow
Wait till you get the Talos aspect, that thing is p great
flat brook
i hated the gauntlets, but gave it a couple runs to try it out and fell in love with them
pliant palm
I think I just don't understand how to use them
flat brook
my first weapon to 32 heat
neon fiber
It makes your special pull an enemy in
pliant palm
Same with the Shield, seemed kinda meh at 1st
But now that I know you can block with it
Seems waaay better
neon fiber
@pliant palm get close to enemy
Buttonmash
Alternatively, buttonmash while dashing
flat brook
how do you deal damage with zag shield? i only play with chaos aspect
neon fiber
You hit things with your shield
pliant palm
button mash while dashing
Isn't that the whole game
flat brook
with the bow you need to be strategic
with the fists you really just hold attack and mash dodge
at least thats how i play lol
and if you get +3 dashes from hermes you mash dodge even more
pliant palm
Hermes 
neon fiber
You can thank me later
pliant palm
Was very fun
neon fiber
Great isn’t it?
neon fiber
Literally clears styx rooms in seconds
neon fiber
@pliant palm get the one upgrade that makes poseidon’s push abilities inflict a DoT when enemies move
pliant palm
I don't think I had this one
neon fiber
That one is what makes poseidon’s dash so dangerous
pliant palm
I had the push + damage when they hit walls + a duo that make water damage inflict lightning damage + more dash from hermes
Something like that
neon fiber
If they get hit by the push, they get an effect that makes them take damage when they move
Which is, as you may have noticed, something hades likes doing
neon fiber
Poseidon’s also got a passive that makes push attacks make more damage vs unpushable targets
That + the status effects makes bosses melt just from your dash alone
turbid needle
It's a pretty weak passive.
gray lintel
with fists for maximum DPS you technically want to dash attack, punch exactly 5 times, then dash to cancel out of the short cooldown after the punch combo
and then repeat
you also have the special that is pretty high b urst damage and can be done while dashing(one big hit for less total damage I recall)
pearl willow
ow, erebus room in elysium that was a megagorgon, multiple soul catchers and multiple elite spearmen lol. not quite.
naive laurel
touching erebus chamber in elysium is -1 chamber reward -10 health automatically, usually
flat brook
note to self: hera bow is terrible with demeter's cast
demeter's cast as a whole is terrible lol
naive laurel
Not until u got guided lazer
flat brook
it was slightly less terrible but still very terrible
naive laurel
Nah, it melts
flat brook
i felt like hera bow was making it worse, it often had to do 180° spins
naive laurel
Oh hera bow is not for these
hera bow is for casts that has range limitations or deployment delays
pliant palm
Having a really hard time on Hades with melee weapons
Cause the game is kinda laggy, and it makes it seriously hard to dash at the right timings
Ah well...
Only having frame drops on Hades and some big Elysium room
naive laurel
A lot of optimizations can be made
nvidia settings, in-game settings
if u want, I can compile a list I think can help, but not 100% 2bh
I think doing the exact opposite of optimizing fps games works for this
since we want consistency instead of performance max
naive laurel
then turn up the triple buffering and put prerender frames to 4, i think
I'm currently struggling game massive stuttering when fighting hades with fist
well, "massive" as in usually I can dash 9 out of 10 hades spin, but with said weapon I can only dash 2 out of 10
pliant palm
Wut wut, just unlocked a new aspect for the spear
Yeah, pretty much the same issue Sole, had a build with a lot of visual effect, and even tho I know the timing I just couldn't get it right
Damn, you need a lot of blood to max an aspect...
naive laurel
Yeah...well, u'll get better
20 heat is not that big of an issue once u got used to 10 of them
11 , to be precise
primal sigil
Do the embedded Cast modifiers stack, or is it enough to embed one in the enemy?
naive laurel
1
pliant palm
Really ? Not that great then...
naive laurel
dmg/speed reduction is great
naive laurel
but, this talent not stacking makes stygian soul almost always strictly better
primal sigil
Unless you can stick more than one enemy and do an AOE attack
spare zealot
embedded cast modifiers not stacking is fine. the mirror buffs are still absurd damage amps alone
pliant palm
Hmm, sure
spare zealot
eh, I use both cast types. I use the ammo system when I want to aim for a cast build. Only getting to cast once with a cooldown removes your ability to burst large groups
pliant palm
How do you aim for a build tho x)
spare zealot
god keepsakes, door / boon rerolls
spare zealot
it's very useful after tartarus
pliant palm
And I'm gonna need to level up the god keepsakes at some point
Need to think about which one I wanna do in priority
The "The next Boon you find will be from xxx" just affect the 1st boon when you start, right ?
spare zealot
if you switch keepsakes in the run, it can be any number of chambers before a door gives you a boon
pliant palm
Cause you can switch mid-run
spare zealot
yes
pliant palm
Forgot about that, not using that feature
spare zealot
it doesn't guarantee a boon, it just guarantees the next boon will be that god
pliant palm
naive laurel
welp, 3 ares boon, rerolled 4 times total, except the common cast in the first time, no cast ever
and I got 3 artemis by sheer chance
this is a bit tilting
dense locust
The keepsake guarantees that when the next chamber has a single boon, one of the options will be of the god you chose, and that continues to be the case until you choose that boon or switch keepsakes
spare zealot
oh, even if you don't pick the boon it'll keep showing up until you do? Weird
shrewd sable
anyone has tips to win on 32 heat point 😦 ? what pacts to choose which boons and keepsakes i should take ?
spare zealot
does rolling knuckle keep the +5 damage ramp up of concentrated knuckle going?
nvm, discord search says no
naive laurel
@shrewd sable 32 is trial and error, myself is doing all aspect 32 w/o seed manip
noone else knows what pact u'll like, except yourself, so u have to try them all, based on pass run knowledge
pliant palm
Do you guys use God's Chosen or God's Pride in the mirror ?
naive laurel
whichever that gives legendary/duo chance
getting a duo or not a lot of times makes or breaks a run
turbid needle
God's Pride, increased Epic spawn rate.
After the Duo/Legendary spawn rate got nerfed I started taking more Chaos and Yarns of Ariadne, between those and Keepsakes I think Rare spawn rates are fine.
rich cedar
Hades without forced overtime: little stupid baby
hades with 20 % forced overtime: Where did my DD go
pliant palm
Was upgrading the other one, but yeah, having a hard time deciding which one seems the best
dense locust
This might be my favored way of playing Arthur: https://imgur.com/ygHR5Bu
pliant palm
Welp, getting poisoned with the aspect of Guan Yu fricking sucks...
naive laurel
guanyu 100% need spearpoint
lament coral
without Athena attack, probably
dense locust
I'm pretty much exclusive to guan yu special builds
lament coral
yeah, that could be tougher
dense locust
okay, I've come to the conclusion that having trippy shot, an extra cast from chaos, and stygian soul is broken
pliant palm
ffs, haven't seen artemis in 3 runs...
dense locust
Ice wine every run weeeeeee: https://imgur.com/MOcoOMS
dense locust
It's also insanely strong
broken i'd say. going through each aspect on 32, i'm basically using it every time
turbid needle
Is it that different from picking up Hunting Blades every run? If you were to?
dense locust
Id say Ice wine is a lot better than the ares cast build if your purpose is to beat the run. The requirements for it to come on line are roughly the same, if not less, and the build is a lot lot safer. The damage output is way less but its still good (and with good chaos boons it can be great) and definitely enough for a 32 heat run. The big difference between the two is that ice wine pretty much makes all things chilled to 10, but also can be safely cast from behind all objects
This was the easiest 32 i've ever played. I started with ares special but ended up selling it to customs because it wasn't worth using over ice wine. Stygian soul with 2 extra casts from chaos and 4 athena dashes: https://imgur.com/sVxuLs3
meager mica
idk why but i can't unlock his hearts
neon fiber
Maybe talk more with him?
neon fiber
Either that or you need to do a prophecy or you just need ambrosia by that point
Weird
neon fiber
Either that or talk around da haus
Maybe you’ll unlock some piece of dialogue
Try Nyx?
meager mica
Tried too
neon fiber
Weird
meager mica
yeah, i think about reporting it
neon fiber
Check your renovations dude and the table of prophecies?
flat brook
My demeter dash is supposed to deal 30 damage, but i noticed it was dealing 68, and now 70 (got another god and have family favorite)
is that a bug or i don't know how her dash damage works?
now it's dealing 92 instead of 39 lol
manic ermine
it hits multiple times
flat brook
oh, makes sense, ty
night pasture
the last hammer upgrade I need for the exagryph prophecy is the delta chamber
I've just done 4 rail runs in a row, being very careful to not pick anything to contradict it, and nothing
I know this is just the RNG but I wanted to complain at someone
in conclusion fated persuasion should allow you to reroll hammer boons
next run, first hammer, no delta chamber
turbid arch
@night pasture I only saw the Hazard Bomb for the first time two weeks ago or so and it has been in the game since......the steam release I believe? Or the patch right after.
Go figure.
spare zealot
Tight deadline feels like free heat... until I get to styx
styx gates gets to decide just how free that "free heat" is
spare zealot
mm yeah, I got closer than I'd like in Elysium, but I haven't gotten unlucky enough yet to have low enough DPS to start sweating there with tight deadlines
round summit
which one is better: Exclusive Access or Ice Wine?
and where does it turn more viable to pick the other boon over the better one?
naive tusk
It's more viable to pick Exclusive Access in Tartarus or Asphodel, since your future boons will be guaranteed Epics
Ice Wine is always good, no matter what
tepid ridge
Take exclusive access if you get it early, take ice wine if you are already in an okay spot or have several cast ammo
flat brook
Turns out hera bow can be quite good https://i.imgur.com/gvlLn1r.jpg
Or maybe it's just trippy shot stacking that's good
turbid needle
Trippy Shot stacking on Hera is nutty.
flat brook
Hera is nice because you don't even need ice wine, it's just an added bonus
So far the best casts for hera bow seem to be dio cast > ares cast > poseidon/demeter duo cast > every other cast >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demeter's cast
jagged solstice
20 times 0 new dialogues
@meager mica
Have you given bouldy a nectar? That's how I unlocked more dialogue options
tepid ridge
I’m wondering if Nyx might be necessary to progress that storyline like she is for ||Orpheus+Eurodice||. I’m currently just working through all the dialogue with her between runs so I can get to actual quest stuff and it takes a while.
flat brook
You definitely need nyx for that. Bouldy was my last companion because nyx has tons of dialogue that you have to exhaust before being able to free sisyphus
She's the one that ||tells you where to find sisyphus contract or something so you can undo it||
I went into a charon shop with my zeus keepsake still at 1 use left (so i hadn't picked any zeus boons yet), but the boon at the shop was aphrodite... i didn't even know that was possible, i thought in that case the boon would be forced to be zeus'
glass root
Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to the game.
I noticed you can charge up the shield, then throw it without releasing your charge button, then use it before the shield returns
neon fiber
Aye, this game’s pretty swell
orchid jay
i love it!
can anyone give me a link please for what the orange gift do? i can give em the persons or cerberus in home but nothing really happens
orchid jay
there are kinda orange bottles i can give the npcs with 'g' buttpm- yes
nectar maybe ^^
neon fiber
It gives you more relationship points with them
Having a high amount of that lets you romance some NPCS
Whereas some others can just be given Ambrosia to get funky studf
It also unlocks certain sidequests and whatnot
orchid jay
hmm.. which npc s are most important to become friends with?^^
neon fiber
The first nectar you give to a given NPC will give you a keepsake, which is an item that gives you certain passive boosta
Any of them really, nectar is really common
I’d suggest giving it to either cerberus or skelly first since their keepsakes are pretty useful for begginers
Cerberus gives you more hp and skelly gives you an extra ressurrection
orchid jay
i gave cerberus 4or 5 already. does it make sence to keep this strategy up? or is there a kinda limit
oh neat
thx for the information sir
tepid ridge
Some NPCs can be gifted with those bottles to the point where their storylines complete, but I will say Cerberus is not one of those currently I don’t think. All npcs you can gift currently give you a keepsake the first time they get something though
gray lintel
Cerberus lets you pet them at any time at max nectar. Which is good. give puppy his treats
(also one of them doesn't give you anything)
jagged solstice
https://gyazo.com/b477c36f64425aeca50ebaedbd62d39c bless Demeter's Rare Crop
solid cairn
Just did 17 heat
Lost literally all of my death defiances to EM Theseus and Asterius
Somehow won
jagged solstice
Damn nice!
solid cairn
Next up I’m gonna try to do 16 with either nemesis or Arthur sword
Speaking of the sword, I really wish there was a hammer that gave it increased range
weak rivet
Arthur's range is already bananas
weak rivet
Oh i see
flat brook
This run was looking pretty good and i thought i was gonna beat my best time.. but then the satyr sack decided to appear on the 4th room https://i.imgur.com/fzJHWXR.jpg
mint bloom
We not allowed to post pictures?
unkempt pagoda
you can upload it somewhere else and paste the link here
torpid turret
Lol I killed ||Hades|| with ||Bouldy|| and the snacks healed me after the death animation and got perfect clear title
gilded knoll
Lol
gilded lily
I have been farming Artemis all day now, trying to get "fully loaded" for the prophecy. I got her twice in Tartarus, and then never again. I have her blessing equipped. Final area and I have three... THREE zeus options with no Artemis at all. What is the deal? any advice on this? probably my 12th run with her blessing equipped
turbid needle
Carrying her keepsake through an entire run won't get you any additional spawns.
turbid needle
It only forces one spawn, though it does give a rarity (in terms of Common, Rare, Epic) boost.
gilded lily
Thought I was taking crazy pills 😆
turbid needle
Taking it at the start is still a good idea, having an Olympian in your kit makes them more likely to spawn in a run.
They recently nerfed Fully Loaded.
gilded lily
I just want it to complete the prophecy, honestly. I like Artemis boons, but only for one or two options
turbid needle
You need Exit Wounds and Dual Shot, and Exit Wounds will not spawn if you have Slicing Shot, Trippy Shot, or Crystal Beam.
gilded lily
so, do I need both? I do have both equipped, which is why I was so sad when she didn't appear in the last area
gilded lily
Zeus boons make this thing completely different
turbid needle
Persuasion as a mechanic is not terrible.
solid cairn
There’s just so much of “well actually there’s this drawback and this drawback and this and that”
turbid needle
There's, uh, one drawback.
gilded lily
What's the drawback?
turbid needle
That repeating the reroll on a single item increases cost.
solid cairn
Also it makes family favorite and privileged status harder to max
turbid needle
I disagree with PS.
solid cairn
Also having some boons not be rerolled
Or made a lower rarity rather
Not to mention you don’t start with that many even with it maxed
turbid needle
Could also reroll any God into Poseidon or a Heart or a Pom.
gilded lily
What is family favorite again? is that increased rarity?
solid cairn
6% damage for every god you have at least 1 boon of
static moon
When I want a repeated god spawn I try to not take more than 1 different god boon if possible (excluding chaos)
For me that raises more chances of them spawning in the later ranks as well
I know it's RNG sometimes but that's what I do when I don't use the Persuasion nor Authority from mirror
solid cairn
Hermes counts towards that as well
gilded lily
does chaos count for family favorite? i assumed he didn't
gilded lily
hermes is inevitable now. He was so hard to get before
static moon
sad "no family gets left behind"
Chaos: well someone did
solid cairn
So basically if you have Hermes, Athena dash, and whatever attack and special, that’s gonna be a permanent 18-24% damage up
How much is priv status?
40%?
unkempt pagoda
yes
solid cairn
It depends on the weapon which one is better
gilded lily
Hermes hooked me up this run.
Adamant Rail maxed aspect of zag
Flurry Fire
30% attack speed
Lightning Strike
Jolted
It's a little silly, never liked this weapon until this build hit
gray lintel
The mechanics of gods seems to be that you start with a pool of 3-4 gods. This is added to over time or if you force a boon. I feel like the weights aren't even either, IE there tends to be a couple of gods heavily favored.