#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 480

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

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40% overtime

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:04 PM

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is it?

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I've always put those points

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haha

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:04 PM

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well...Yeah, but there's noticable difference, ANd takes a good while to get used too

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:04 PM

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yes

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but once you get used to it, it doesn't really feel like a challenge

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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but I presume u taking demeter a lot negated that a bit

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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it does make more mobs a bigger issue

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I only really go for demeter with excal

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Ahh...I thought u take It often

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my bad

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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usually it's just a zeus/poseidon with some artemis, or artemis with something

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full poseidon is actually pretty cool yknow

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:06 PM

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40 ot itself is also not THAT problematic but once with hard labor up due to having to put heat There

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:06 PM

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and if you manage to get the zeus duo, even better

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Oh man, I Did a poseidon atk Rail yestersay

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Got sea storm

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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very dependent on getting +dash

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yes

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it's cool no? 😄

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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It's fine, but due to lack of other source of dmg, hades gutted mr

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still worked through

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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really?

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huh

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it's a lot of damage though.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yeah, 30% extra health, and the low % from poseidon atk hurts

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I've played a couple of ares builds over the weekend

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it's actually pretty cool?

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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ares on buff-Based special is good

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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buff based special?

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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poseidon, Nemesis, achilles, 2nd Rail form

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special that has utility or buffs u

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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ah

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yeah played with chaos

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on 18ish heat

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Then It's either special or atk

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in Chaoes shield's case, atk is the utility/buff

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:10 PM

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ares/zeus/aphrodite vengeance builds are also fun

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need to play one of those again

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maybe with excal

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probably works well enough, not sure if I get enough dmg reduction to work on high heat

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without demeter

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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zeus vengeance is the best, like I said

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Ares sucks cuz It doesn't stack

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And aphro's Imo is just for the weak

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Hey Sol~

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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the point is to get the auto-vengeance duo

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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We need more stackable vengeances

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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then all those trigger automatically, and you get a damage/debuff aura

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it's pretty hilarious

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Yeah...don't take holy sheild with zeus vengeance tho

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doesn't mesh well

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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never tried them together

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Yeah, recommended Not

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Why?

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I want to know squirtyay

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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1 thing powerful about zeus vengeance is that It deletes snakestones

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Holy shield prevents u from taking dmg for a bit

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Oh, because Holy Shield prevents the repeated triggers?

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Yep

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I see. Thank you friendly

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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u can facetank hades lazer to delete him If u get zeus vengeance

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dusa

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ANd some dmg reduction Ofc

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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well i posted my stream in #self-promotion , can someone check it out and see if my mic is echoing or if it's just me?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Fun fact: I was wall slamming Tisiphone with Tempest Flourish 💧

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:27 PM

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which spear aspects are pretty good?

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 10:27 PM

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They are all pretty boring in my opinion

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except the hidden one

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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are either of the ranged weapons any good?

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or the fists?

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Bow is really good

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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in hades good usually means it just clicks with you

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imo the achilles aspect is fun to use

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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the homing special bow aspect is fun, but how's the caster one?

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Its fun man

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You can load up all your casts in one shot

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and just rip it

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makes you pretty fast

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and also it makes the things drop again

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so you can keep doing it

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 10:34 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/701923693890240573/AAA.png

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Pre Hydra battle dusa

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 10:34 PM

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yeah caster bow is fun messing with it now

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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what are good casts to go with it?

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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a cast

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of some sort

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srsly like IMO all casts are good with caster b ow

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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ok really, why did the room reward spawn in the lava in asphodel

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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cept maybe chain lightning without regenerating casts

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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because at the moment you were in lava

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room rewards always spawn at the spot you're at when you kill the last enemy

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never kill your last enemy in lava unless you can do it with a range attack

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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with quick reload and max hera aspect on bow, can you get down to instant cast drops?

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got another legendary fish, flame eater

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 11:18 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/701934646371287090/Tempest_Flourish_Guan_Yu.png

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Highly recommend

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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wow

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i don't even wanna know how much damage your special dealt lmao

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I forgot to take note of it, whoops!

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 11:28 PM

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with quick reload and max hera aspect on bow, can you get down to instant cast drops?

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Iirc it's like, 5% of hade's max health @naive tusk

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:26 AM

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@sullen valley I'm not sure what dash-spin-slash to which you're referring.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:27 AM

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You know how Hades’ Spin Slash works right?

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Zagreus can also do that

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:27 AM

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You mean dashing out of the spin charge?

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Yeah, and how you carry the Spin Slash’s hitbox with you as you dash

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Thus: Dash-Spin-Slash

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Dashing out of spin charge doesn't have any unique properties, though.

earnest ravine Apr 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Oh yeah, I remember I found out about that by accident and wondered why that wasn't one of the tutorial things alongside the normal dash attack.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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It is pretty useless if you’re standing still, though

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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You can dash out of the cooldown, as well.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Define Cooldown

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Normally spinning in place roots you for way too long, right?

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Well, not really

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It charges up until a maximum size

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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No, I'm talking about the attack itself.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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You can get vey tiny and weak spins

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Not the charge time.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Ooo

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I'm aware of the three levels of spin, as well.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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That part

earnest ravine Apr 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Yeah, afterwards there's like... a fraction of the second when you can't directly move aside from dashing.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I believe you can yeah

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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It's more than a fraction of a second.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I don’t really notice it

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Well unless I’m Standing Still

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Are you dashing to fire the spin charge?

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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That’s how Dash Attacks work yeah

earnest ravine Apr 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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You're probably right. I kinda dash reflexively after a spin now if I don't just dash-spin, since it used to get me hit a lot.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Like the Bow

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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There is no change in properties between standing spin and spin off a dash besides the moving hitbox.

sullen valley Apr 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Well I don’t exactly notice it

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...I just realized how disorienting it could be dashing while Spin-Slashing.

naive laurel Apr 21, 2020, 2:01 AM

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So what do u guys think about giving arthur base-line max health % bonus instead of pure 50 buff

primal sigil Apr 21, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Question: how many chambers are in each biome?

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 2:09 AM

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~12, obviously except for styx

primal sigil Apr 21, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Thanks

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Follow-up question

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Is Dark Regen autopick over Chthonic Vitality every run?

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Depends on what you like more.

stray sage Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 AM

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I always use dark regen

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especially when bosses drop darkness

primal sigil Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 AM

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So if there's 12 chambers per biome, that's 36 total per biome

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Of regen

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What are the darkness drops off of bosses?

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Plus there are weapon bonuses

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It just seems like CV is a dead pick for any build

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@stray sage I feel much the same way

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I've tried picking it on runs where I'm doing gem or money hunting

stray sage Apr 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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darkness maxes at 80% I believe

primal sigil Apr 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Which is still a ton...bit I don't have the hard data

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I know it's an early mirror skill, but it still feels like it could be a significant choice for later runs

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Yeah I find it hard to care about chthonic. You get lots of random darkness drops, if you're not pushing heat, bosses too. darkness infernal troves also double as heal troves

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Does anybody know what the base fire rate is on the rail? The wiki doesn't list it and I want to do a spot of quick math

naive laurel Apr 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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@primal sigil 15 in Tart, 10 in Aspho, 11 in Elysium

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and, imo, they should make it heat-related, but that would be my endgame upgrade suggestion instead of sheer mirror as it is supposed to be balanced for both early game and late game

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or, can be max health related, that will work too

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 4:08 AM

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if i jump from heat 20 to 32 i lose all rewards from jumping one by one?

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diamonds, ambrosia and blood

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 4:14 AM

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There are no more bounties to be claimed after clearing heat 20 (25 if playing Hell mode)

unkempt pagoda Apr 21, 2020, 4:19 AM

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i'm not sure how that interacts with hell mode

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 4:19 AM

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You start at 5 Heat and cannot go under.

unkempt pagoda Apr 21, 2020, 4:19 AM

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since in hell mode, you're forced to up your heat each win

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so if you jump heat, you might lose those rewards?

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haven't tested it myself

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 4:22 AM

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I'm pretty sure doing any heat above the next consecutive heat will reward you for the next consecutive heat despite the actual heat being above that level, or it will just give you darkness, but I think its the former

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 4:24 AM

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If i jump from 0 to 20 can i get teh rewards from 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 after?

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 4:24 AM

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yes

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 4:26 AM

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thanks

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Yeah there is no punishment for reaching beyond the logical progression

proper jolt Apr 21, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Is it worth using Abyssal blood?

winter birch Apr 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Definetely

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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I'd say so. I use it myself 90% of the time

winter birch Apr 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Darkness troves are essentially health troves

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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That's Dark Regeneration lol

winter birch Apr 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Waiy heck

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Which is abyssal blood

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Each rank reduces foes' speed and damage by -5% while they have Cast Ammo in them.

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To a total of -25%

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 5:09 AM

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So if you have bracer keepsake, abyssal blood, and reliable appliance of weak, you've got some insane survivability

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Wow, that bouldy boost Heart of Stone worth 5% damage reduction is something else

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that must be the max

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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The question is

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Does reducing a foes speed affect the animation speed of their attacks, or is it only movement?

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Does taking a room with two gods that has the god of the keepsake you chose use up that keepsake?

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I think so.

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Because I know the rooms can appear before your chosen god's keepsake

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You are correct

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Womp.

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 6:24 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/PEA2yPp

Imgur

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managed to finish on my second try, first one i run out of time and gave up

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Nice!

prime berry Apr 21, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Need to try a 32 run later. Will use the Chaos shield for sure

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Do it with cornacht coward

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 8:55 AM

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I gotta say, as cool as it is that shield can block everything from hades, it should probably be balanced a little bit

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 9:04 AM

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I would rather see the other weapons (besides Malphon and maybe Exagryph) buffed in some way to bring them more in line with Aegis.

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We both know its ability to block incoming damage makes it unique, and that's a good thing.

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Yeah I agree with that

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Plus that sweet sweet bull rush

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That thing literally makes most of asterius’ attacks a non-issue

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I think making the Power Shot bonus for Coronacht better would go a long way to making it stronger, and reward its niche as a high skill weapon.

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:09 AM

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To be honest, my use of shield came late because I was never able to take advantage of its very good blocking ability until I was much better at the game

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Everyone says its the best for new players but I feel like using it properly takes more skill than its given credit for

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At least that's how it went for my experience

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:11 AM

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It’s less skill and more messing around since the game doesn’t tell you a lot of small tidbits about weapons

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Like the sword’s dash special having a faster casting animation than regular special

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 9:13 AM

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You talking about canceling Nova's start-up time with a Dash?

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:13 AM

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No, doing dash->nova

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:13 AM

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This feels unrelated to what I was talking about

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:13 AM

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I’ve noticed it’s slightly faster than just nova

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I just meant that when I started out with this game, I was aware that the shield could block, but I wasn't aware that it could block nearly everything if I was patient enough

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:14 AM

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But yeah back to it
I think that people would see the shield as a more viable early game option if they knew the bull rush charge animation blocked things

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:16 AM

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But now I am curious what you mean about doing dash->nova

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if its not dash immediately after using special

turbid needle Apr 21, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I don't think that's a thing. I just clicked around in the weapon courtyard and I'm not seeing a difference in timing.

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I could have missed it, though.

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:17 AM

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My point about shield is that I didn't realize its potential for blocking almost every single attack in the game until it was told to me

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Weird, i’ve always thought it has less of a windup animation

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 9:18 AM

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But on top of that, it takes a bit of skill to keep your head on your shoulders in a hectic gameplay situation to actually block every attack thrown at you

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Or to know when to either bull rush or dash out of the situation in order to create a better situation for yourself

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And this is why I don't think shield is necessarily the easiest weapon for new players

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Dash into an immediate special does let you position your sword's special in a better position and was even acknowledged as something to be doing with the fists

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Biggest problem with cornacht

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is that its hard to master because all the good hammers ruin your timing

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like the explosive shot and twin shot

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both mess with your powershot timing

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Which is realy annoying

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then theres the sniper shot that deals + 300 dmg on long range which is completely useless in styx

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and hydra

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bow is like really strong

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except hydra and styx

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so you lose all your DD there and then have to perfect Hades

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Also having to rely on dash strike but the window to do the m1 input in dashstrike is really small

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Does the crit chance stack? For example if I get All weapons can crit from Artemis, I have the bow of Zagreus and I get Artemis attack .... Or does only the highest crit chance count and the rest are useless?

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Also how can I get my name green to write in feedback? 😇

unborn trellis Apr 21, 2020, 9:55 AM

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read the pins in that channel

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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thanks Suipe, I was searching for that in FAQ

unborn trellis Apr 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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np

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Finally the 100% mirror

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

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I would say that the hammers on Coronacht and the timing really comes down to the individual. I find that at the most after a room or two I've adapted to the different powershot timing of the hammer upgrades, but I may not be in the majority at all. I would say, though, that I would be against any tinkering with the timings as I believe being able to use a more powerful attack should require some adaptation in a Rogue-like game.

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

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personally, i have played many rhythm games so i can deal with the timing well

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so i dont really care about any hammer upgrade that much

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:25 AM

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@hazy cliff I know that crit boons can stack and I would assume the same is true of Zag's inherit bonus as I crit more often with that aspect.

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I dabble in playing instruments and that's what I'd attribute to my ability to snap into different timings. But, again, I may be in the tiny minority, haha!

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:30 AM

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@fierce yoke I found out on wikipedia that they are additive. Problem is that for example damage reduction multiplicative. The player should never be forced to switch to out of game source to get the full info about what to pick

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thanks anyway! 🙂

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Oh man, you've never played a Monster Hunter game, eh? I jest, but you are right. A simple note of how things stack would be nice for the new folk.

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 10:39 AM

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@hazy cliff Where did you find it?

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i cant find it

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searched for crit but the mechanics page has nothing

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:40 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

Hades Wiki

Damage Calculation

A high-level overview of the damage calculation process could be:

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (1 × Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 10:40 AM

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why would critical hit chance be in damage calculation?

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:41 AM

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heh, no clue man, I found it through google ...

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But i will be honest - the fact that damage reduction is multiplicative actually means that common bronze skin is usually not worth over other boons if you have any other damage reduction already active. That is good to know

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:47 AM

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That game is rather forthright with crit chances, though, and as long as you understand they stack additively, which is the norm, there's not much else to know to the average player. Something could be said for also having a tip somewhere that tells the player that damage reduction stacks multiplicatively, though.

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Yeah and dodge chance

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which is probably also multiplicative

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But we dont nkow

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:49 AM

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That would actually also be nice to know ... I wouldn't be picking common dodge from hermes with some weapons

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

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I can't remember the last time I picked a common boon... This must be what it's like to be nobility and learn how peasants live.

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

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@fierce yoke It actually is not. Some texts are "you have X crit chance" and some are "you have +X crit chance" - in math X crit chance would mean a fixed number where the higher one counts. So for example Zagreus Aspect Bow + Deadly strike would be 15% crit chance instead of 10+15% crit chance

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

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I jest, I jest.

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:53 AM

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I switched to + legendary / duo boon chance percentage. So now I get common or epics usually

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Also the basic common / rare / epic chance is nowhere in game as well ... damn

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Lvl. 5 Zagreus aspect has a base +10% crit chance. Getting deadly strike gives 15%. 10%+15%=25%?

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That's additively.

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And how it works.

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

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yeah, you are right ... but again, the same thing is said by bronze skin and that is multiplicative

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Olympian Favor boon at full rank gives +40% chance for rare boons. I can't remember the last time I haven't had a rare boon.

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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I am playing Olympian Legacy over Olympian Favor tho - so it is +15% for duo / legendary for me

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and 0% for rare

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Yeah, I'm agreeing there should be something that states crit is additive and armor reduction is multiplicative. Which is understandable being additive armor reduction would be ridiculous.

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Aye, that's why I'm saying I've never gotten commons while you have. You go for burst, I go for consistency.

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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still, having legacy makes me pickup legendaries and duos everytime

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it's nice to have but sometimes not really needed

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use it for some quick cash tbh

hazy cliff Apr 21, 2020, 11:03 AM

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I may be hard rolling for Hunting blades too much ... That thing is just too much fun to use with Vicious cycle

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:04 AM

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sticks on them on them all times XD

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

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I usually heavily focus on Chaos boons and I want those to be at least rare so I can get the huge damage spikes, so my use of Favor works better for my playstyle. That's one thing I really like about this game is that multiple playstyles are valid!

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM

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held cosmic egg for 2 biomes, no chaos portal

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fun

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM

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They're sleeping, let them 😔

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM

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unequip it, you'll get a chaos gate

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i guarantee it

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM

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no

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on elysium 🙂

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Chaos be a cruel mistress.

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Um, master.

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Both and neither

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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chaos be a cruel primordial thingy

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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primordial thingy

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I love that portrayal as well. To be full of all possibilities one must contain the masculine, yang, and the feminine, yin, and maintain them in a harmony/equilibrium.

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:41 AM

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you say it like i am not right sansmouse

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:41 AM

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I also love their voice

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456936596227358720/700710485963833344/unknown.png

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Its so eerie

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM

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No

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Stop posting that

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM

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God dammit can we praise Chaos without curses

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I'd much rather take any other curse than this one

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Chaos offers boons for a price
Cursed pics are just the penalty we have to pay to mention chaos in the chat

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

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cant stop

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

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(turns out i took flayed and every time i try to attack my food with a fork i get hit for 5 hp)

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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That picture is...unsettling for some reason.

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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you said feminine and masculine

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that is feminine and masculine

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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No

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Shrew you always remind me that james charles exists and i hate that

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Chaos’ sigil has anime eyes

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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idk who that is

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Oh, it's the clashing of a drawn image and photograph! Hah!

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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I cannot unsee it

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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so i am unaffected

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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James Chaos

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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NO

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Chaos charles

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Or Chaos Charles volfredthink ?

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Chaorles

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Yes

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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H I S I S T E R S

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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;^)

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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But jokes aside, Chaos' VA did a great job

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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tbh i am more affected by cursethena that chaos

marble ridge Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Hissters

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Really?

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Cursethena is great

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Cursethena is low tier

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Yeah

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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In psychic damage

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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it is higher that chaorles

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Nah

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chaorles ruins my day

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Cursethena makes me giggle

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Chaos is voiced by Peter Canavese. Who is also Zeus.

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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ya know what ruins my day? than wall

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Sound editing software is one hell of a drug

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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@fierce yoke Really?i wouldn't have guessed, they sound so different!

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Oh huh i was expecting that to be deleted
Nice

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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And I know Chaos' voice is under like 28474 effects but even then!

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

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@weak rivet https://media1.tenor.com/images/e4101e28b458d2a40f584e2e24e9ba53/tenor.gif

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

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ACTINGGGG

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Yeah, that's the ticket.

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Also hush yall this is the gameplay channel

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Is it bad I immediately knew whose voice that was?

weak rivet Apr 21, 2020, 11:50 AM

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I dIDNT

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Anyways, since we were talking about Chaos...what are people's thoughts on the Chaos shield aspect? To me it just seems strictly better than the alternatives once you can dodge most things.

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Awsum

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And it speaks too

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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chaos shield lvl 1 succ

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I haven’t gotten it yet but it rewards using the bull rush so i love it even if i don’t have it

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Lvl 1 is like useless in all ways possible

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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dont play shield much so dont wanna upgrade it

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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You heathen

grand patrol Apr 21, 2020, 11:54 AM

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i think if an aspect lets someone speak to me thru it that aspect is the best aspect in the world

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Oh yea, if youre lazy u can just block all of the lord's atks too

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:54 AM

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wait, can you romance chaos?

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tbh i ave max chaos heart

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i wanna romance them tho

grand patrol Apr 21, 2020, 11:56 AM

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u can forge bond but no like romance romance fade2black thingy

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:56 AM

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You can,only romance best girl, backup whip waifu and prettyboy afaik

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yeah

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

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y call meg backup whip waifu when shes better than the alt

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 11:58 AM

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I am firmly in the camp of loving Chaos talking through the shield. It would be really cool to see the other aspects speak to you as well. The future aspects could just be whispers from the wielders during difficult times in their lives, being unable to hear from, and completely unaware of the connection, to Zagreus through the weapon due to the temporal distance.

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Because we all know meg is the backup waifu
Supergiant won’t let us ||fully romance dusa because otherwise it wouldn’t be fair||

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 11:59 AM

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ok, unpopular opinion on my part then

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 12:00 PM

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||It's wild how so many people here are misspelling Artemis.||

grand patrol Apr 21, 2020, 12:02 PM

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id be with u on that but then i remembered hades aspect exists lolol

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literally the worst aspect 2 have talk

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 12:03 PM

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Yeah i’ve not heard that many good things about Hades aspect

fierce yoke Apr 21, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Hades aspect isn't the worst, but I like Achilles more or Zag when I want a fun ranged spear build. Though I think it would be funny if the link to Hades' aspect actually has Zag's exploits barging into his thoughts and his speaking is just annoyed outbursts that you're messing with his ability to work.

grand patrol Apr 21, 2020, 12:16 PM

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jhfhjfhj id be more worried abt hades barging into zags brain than the other way round here

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we already have remembernces...hes got the advantage here

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 12:18 PM

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If I had to choose one weapon and aspect combo that I'd be least excited to play, it would be hades aspect spear

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Achilles aspect, on the other hand, is one of the most fun I've experienced lately

clear dome Apr 21, 2020, 12:21 PM

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achilles aspect with bounce : ))

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Yeah, achilles is fun to use

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

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tbh i like hades aspect spear blobshrug

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you don't have to like, constantly spin attack

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you just have to tap an enemy or boss once within the last 12 seconds or so

dense locust Apr 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

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noooo I absolutely hate achilles with bounce because I want to use it to reliably throw it somewhere where I can jump safely as well as charge up my next two casts/attacks, and the bouncing special acts against those two goals by putting it somewhere I can't control as well as making it longer until I can dash towards it to charge up my next casts

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

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10 seconds? eh

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Is the shield's block not actually absolute? i swear i got hit by ||Hades's spear charge|| while blocking and facing him. Maybe some attacks bypass block?

proud storm Apr 21, 2020, 1:22 PM

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shield cant block his spin attack

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Can’t stop the ||chad dad||

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Oh yeah i thought of a good fourth aspect for Coronacht, why not an Arjuna Aspect?

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Would fit in that it’s both divine in origin and that a hero used it

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 1:43 PM

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can i always gift bouldy for a buff?

proud storm Apr 21, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yes

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Bouldy gives buffs? I might start befriending sisyphus to unlock bouldy then

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Because that’s how you do it, aye?

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:53 PM

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you should befriend sisyphus because bouldy is an amazing summon lol

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Its buffs aren’t reliable btw

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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just tried dusa and she doesn't even get close to being as useful as bouldy

proud storm Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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im gonna tell her

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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poor dusa

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she’s just trying her best

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 1:56 PM

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i was frantically dodging her shots because i thought it was an enemies'

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does rare crop work on chaos boons?

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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No, it doesn’t

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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aww

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 2:17 PM

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how do i read the duo boons chart?

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i see some have 2 boons in one box, a lot of others have only 1

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like lightning phalanx with zeus and athena only have 1 boon in the box each

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 2:18 PM

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I assume that’s because some duos need specific boons and some others just one

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For example, Artemis/Ares needs just Ares’ cast, Artemis’ ability can be any of her active abilities

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 2:20 PM

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for some duos you can have any of the 2 gods boons, such as sea storm: you need 1 of zeus and 1 of poseidon, be it attack/special/cast...

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for some, you need specific boons: for lightning phalanx you NEED athena's cast, and any other zeus boon

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so if there are both gods' symbols, it means it can be of any of them; if there's only one, it means you need that specific god's boon

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 2:21 PM

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ah ok, thank you

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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@flat brook the Beeg Speen of the final boss seems to ignore deflect as well, but immunity frames of dash can barely stop. As well as can't take damage effects like call.

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That has been the only attack I've seen that seems to work like that?

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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guys, are there any good sword build ?

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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all of them

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cant think of a bad sword build

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You are probably being held back by lack of mirror upgrades

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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watching a speedrun with rail spread attack, artemis attack, and like +200% dash attack damage. it scares me

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yeah, meme combos are scary

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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sorry: +300%

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yup

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ah

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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they have like 4 dash attack chaos boons it's spooky

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nevermind they just got artemis dash +400%

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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wait how do they reset the seed for better runs ?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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what even is this damage

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:19 PM

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1k for a shot ?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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nah 2k

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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heart attack commences

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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they just got another +75% dash-strike boon ablobsweats

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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2*24= 48k dmg

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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https://youtu.be/Wg7SlvO4WSA

YouTube

Haelian

Full route executed through Elysium! Hades Speedrun - Nighty Night ...

Thanks again to Vorime, Forgottenkane, Sink and so many others for being great contributors to the speedrunning community. Current leaderboards: https://www.speedrun.com/Hades Vorime's Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/vorime/

FAQ:
Q. Why do you start off the same as in ...

▶ Play video

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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dusa

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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bosses just instantly die ablobsweats

rich cedar Apr 21, 2020, 3:27 PM

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How does rail attack work with dash?

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Is it only 1 bulelt?

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oh hes using some hammer upgrade

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Rail dash attack fires two bullets instead of one.

proud storm Apr 21, 2020, 3:32 PM

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oh yeah i forgot spread fire is busted now

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:37 PM

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DANGGG

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that's good

dusty thicket Apr 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Why does he cast before moving to another chamber?

dusky grove Apr 21, 2020, 3:44 PM

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something with the chamber layout ?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Casting manipulates the seed.

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Does anybody know what the base fire rate of the rail is? Like, how many shots per second?
Do slow effects like Chill or Numbing Sensation only affect enemy movement speed, or do they also slow the animation speed of enemy attacks?
If I have Drunken/Lightning Strike and pick up a Chaos boon for my attack or Urge to Kill, does that buff the flat damage from hangover/lightning as well?

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I remember the wiki saying some stuff about fire rate.
They also slow the animation (satyrs take longer to wind up whenever I chill them).
They won’t buff them.

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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2 & 3, thank you

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1 is a problem however - I checked the wiki, but it only lists fire rate modifiers for things like spread shot and flurry fire, not the base fire rate.

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Flurry fire reduces attack cooldown by 40%, but 40% of what?

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 4:34 PM

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if i were to guess i'd say it's roughly 4 shots per second

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I also believe chill will slow down enemy attack cycles in general

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dad takes years to decide to try anything when he has 10 stacks of chill on him

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 4:35 PM

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so if flurry fire reduces cooldown by 40%, it means it reduces the time between shots from 0.25s to 0.15s or something like that

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 4:37 PM

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so if flurry fire reduces cooldown by 40%, it means it reduces the time between shots from 0.25s to 0.15s or something like that
@flat brook
I’d say so as well. It does feel like 4 shots per second

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Hmm, much obliged

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 4:40 PM

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how do boon rarity % work? i had a run with the 40% rare and 20% epic chance from the mirror, plus two chaos boons: one 25% and one 31% rare or better, but i still had common boons appear after that

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 4:55 PM

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The math is done in a way so that common is never entirely phased out. Additionally, there may be modifiers on top for various chambers or gods to increase common rates

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Much of the game's logic is left as flat readable lua script so if you felt like it you could dive in and find how boon rarity % is calculated out, but last I checked theres a few different ways it calculates for it depending on where the boon was rewarded

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Is it me or is the bow's special kind of busted? Not in the sense that it's underpowered or overpowered, more that depending on which boons you give it, it's either underpowered or overpowered, with very little middle ground.

Like, compare the rail for another 'lots of weak hits' style of damage-dealing. If you toss Zeus boon on it you pretty much double your DPS, plus chaining, where the next closest competitor is either Dionysus for +80% DPS, or Aphrodite for +50% if you want it all up front. That's a significant difference, but it's not spectacularly crazy, and I can still see arguments why you might take something else - Poseidon, maybe, to give the rail some crowd control when one of its big issues is the lack of stagger, or Artemis simply to stack crits on a rapid attack, and hope to pick up Support Fire later.

But for the bow's special, you've already got big single-target damage that you don't need to shove your bow inside the enemy to get with your regular shot, so for a multi-hit it's a comparison of each arrow doing 18 damage with Aphrodite or 40 damage with Zeus, 70 with Ares if you don't mind the delay for Doom to kick in. That's not a difference in percentages anymore, that's whole multiples. I dunno, I feel like design-wise it shouldn't be quite so all-or-nothing?

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 6:29 PM

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a lot of the weapons are like that lol

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if you think that is busted then wait until you see some of the duo abilities

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may i introduce you to our lord and saviour, artemis/ares duo boon?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 6:44 PM

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"i don't like my weapon"

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"so i decided to completely ignore it and cast things instead"

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Yeah but duo boons are at least somewhat rare

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You can reliably take that combo from chamber 1 with a keepsake

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Like, yeah, a lot of weapons favour certain boons. But I feel like the bow's special is an outlier in how much it favour very specific boons.

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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god, thats how I should play the bow huh

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I hate the bow, so I should just cast

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the closest I've ever done to a cast build is Poseidon cast and wall slam damage up

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come on and slam, etc etc

eternal stag Apr 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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my favorite build of all time is still ice wine + scintillating feast + cold fusion

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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mine might be fists + aphrodite legendary, whatever it's called

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dad doesn't get to do anything at the end

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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anything + sea storm just feels super cheap

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Poseidon cast + the artemis one that fires 2 casts for 1. slam slam slam slam

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 7:38 PM

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idea - dash-centric build

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honestly that probably only works with Poseidon because of his wall slam damage thing

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gotta get real lucky with hermes

winter birch Apr 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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And you wouldnt be able to jack to bosses

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Well, you could. Slowly. Oh so very slowly.

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longest final boss fight ever

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"stop throwing rocks at me"

Zag: "No!"

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 7:51 PM

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bow is actually surprisingly, somehow, the highest damage weapon in the game blobshrug

neon fiber Apr 21, 2020, 7:54 PM

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My second run was actually with a poseidon dash-ares attack meme build

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If you build it well poseidon’s dash can singlehandedly clear all of styx

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 7:56 PM

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bow is up to 60 damage, and 50 damage on dash attack ablobsweats

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downside: yeah it also has the worst AOE in the game lol

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also honestly it doesn't feel like it damages that much

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 7:56 PM

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its just me or the guan yu is trash?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 7:57 PM

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just you :p

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anything that heals on hit rewards player skill in avoiding damage

marsh pawn Apr 21, 2020, 7:58 PM

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how do i make this do good damage?

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everything so slow

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 7:58 PM

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get better boons

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also dash attack for the spear, as always, OP

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aphrodite attack synergizes well because high percentage attack boost and the weak status effect means it's easier to get to the point where you're healing more than you take damage

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(at which point you win, basically)

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athena works too, less damage but deflect is nice

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(i could also see demeter for chill, dionysus can have a slow as well and the spin attack easily applies hangover)

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also while you want to hit with a lot of spin attacks reminder that it has a regular attack, a dash attack, and a special as well

warm cloud Apr 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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@gray lintel The question is how that damage averages out over time. Yes it has high spike damage, but what's the sustained damage like?

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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pretty good! Aside from specific interactions(like zeus attack with artemis rail) IMO highest single target damage.

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...if you can consistently dash attack powershot.

livid dew Apr 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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for my 32 heat boys, what weapons and items do you usually do. ive been constantly getting around 10 to 16 heat pretty well and i usually just grab the demeter item in most of my runs.

mighty ermine Apr 21, 2020, 8:26 PM

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in pretty much all of my 32 heat runs i've gone with some variation of the triple A goddesses

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athena dash is of course just an incredible thing to have

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I prioritize athena dash over all else if I can get it

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then you get lucky with hermes and get more dashes, never dieeeeeeee

mighty ermine Apr 21, 2020, 8:34 PM

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haha yeah, athena dash with extra dashes from hermes can make FB trivial even at high heat

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 8:36 PM

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athena dash is tied with artemis dash for me

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 10:48 PM

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is there a way in the final area to tell which is the correct path?

unkempt pagoda Apr 21, 2020, 10:50 PM

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nope, just rng

spare zealot Apr 21, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I think the only constant is that you can't get the key to progress on the first gate you choose?

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there has to be at minimum 2 gates chosen? I haven't looked at the code for that part though, if that is part of the open lua scripts

gray lintel Apr 21, 2020, 11:11 PM

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minimum 2 gates, maximum literally all of them

manic ermine Apr 21, 2020, 11:28 PM

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The outcome of the chambers can change while you are inside of one

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it is total randomness

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 11:29 PM

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for the heart rend duo boon i am confused on the duo page yet again, what does it mean by the image?

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on the attack and special it shows both of the goddesses needed

mighty ermine Apr 21, 2020, 11:41 PM

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not sure what you mean, but it's just like, you need at least one of the listed boons from each god for the duo to start potentially appearing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/702302192622764092/ss2020-04-21at06.37.49.png

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 11:41 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/YCAfGan this page

Imgur

Duo Boons

mighty ermine Apr 21, 2020, 11:44 PM

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it's just displaying the same info i linked but in a different way. like it says in the top right, at least one from each god in the pairing. so on heart rend's row, having at least one artemis icon where available and an aphro icon where available will allow heart rend to potentially spawn. any combination will do. of course, you can't have both on the same category, which goes without saying

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 PM

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@latent junco
i find that chart confusing, i prefer using this one, has both duo boons and each god's boon progression https://i.redd.it/qvp4uoz5lnm41.png

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 PM

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yeah, this one is actually readable for me lol

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thank you @flat brook

flat brook Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 PM

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you're welcome

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 11:51 PM

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That picture is outdated btw

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If you want the updated version for boon progression, you can find it in my album

latent junco Apr 21, 2020, 11:54 PM

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@naive tusk what album?

naive tusk Apr 21, 2020, 11:54 PM

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It’s in my latest post in #self-promotion

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There’s a picture where all updated boon trees have been grouped into 1 picture

pearl willow Apr 22, 2020, 12:01 AM

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never had it before but 'ice wine' is pretty damn good

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 12:08 AM

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@naive tusk ty, didn't know it was outdated. do you happen to have a version containing the duo boons as well?

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I didn’t make the duo boons design in the picture you posted (but I’m the creator of the charts that were posted by @latent junco )

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I can’t put them all together or the file would be too big

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 12:33 AM

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The larger chart needs a bit of cleaning, you can't have Electric Shot.

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Same with Scintillating Feast.

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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You mean the Electric Shot being a prerequisite for Scintillating Feast, right?

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Believe it or not, it's listed as one

lament coral Apr 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

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weird

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Although, I probably should eliminate it anyways. No one would get Scintillating Feast (or Black Out) without Trippy Shot

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This is for Black Out:
DionysusComboVulnerability =
{
OneFromEachSet =
{
{ "DionysusSpreadTrait", "DionysusSlowTrait", "DionysusPoisonPowerTrait", "DionysusWeaponTrait", "DionysusSecondaryTrait", "DionysusShoutTrait" },
{ "DionysusRangedTrait", "DionysusDefenseTrait" },
}
},

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And this is for Scintillating Feast:
LightningCloudTrait =
{
OneFromEachSet =
{
{ "ZeusWeaponTrait", "ZeusSecondaryTrait", "ZeusRangedTrait", "ZeusRushTrait", "ZeusShoutTrait" },
{ "DionysusRangedTrait", "DionysusDefenseTrait" },
}
},

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 12:50 AM

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wait wait, ranged is cast

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how is it a prereq lul

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replacement counts maybe? but it's the after-effect applied by the boon, not the boon itself

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Also, I just recognized true shot does not lead to heart rend, sad times

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Yeah. You could get Trippy Shot, then High Tolerance, then replace Trippy Shot with Electric Shot and you'd have both requirements for their duo boon (but it will be useless without Festive Fog)

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Oh i mean, this looks like it's a result of having a boon instead of the history of having one

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but again, those piles of codes I saw might be indicating something else as my brain was melted by them

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 1:03 AM

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👏 REVENGE 👏 FOG 👏 BOON 👏

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Zagreus farts when he's attacked shadesmile

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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That's what I keep saying, it's Dionysus and the perfect gag for it!

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 1:12 AM

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We don't even need new numbers, current number would do

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 1:31 AM

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For those who have played with both controller and mouse/keyboard, what differences did you notice? Were certain things easier or harder? Did it matter? Looking for opinions before I opt in to buying a controller haha

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 1:32 AM

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From what i see from people playing on controller, mk aim assistance is really bad, lul

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I prefer without.

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I play mk only, but most games I saw playing from controller aims better

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oh well, to each their own, I play at 1600 dpi so it's pretty necessary

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 1:33 AM

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i've played since the beginning with controller, and the aim assist with the bow is good

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but with the spear dash attacks though, it's very bad

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i can't play with the spear because of it

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 1:34 AM

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With controller, does the aim still "snap" onto certain axes? Or are you given more freedom?

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM

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the aim only snaps to enemies, if there are none you can aim wherever you want

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM

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That's not my experience with trying to break pots hahaha

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I have to be standing at the right angle for the snap-aim to even hit them, so I tend to just us an AOE attack to clear them, but it's how I noticed

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Also with long-range weapons, ||Skelly|| the companion gets autoaimed at instead of enemies? Is that a known bug or is it a feature or?

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 1:37 AM

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i've started using him only recently so i can't tell, but sounds like an oversight, i'd report it

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Where do I report?

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 1:39 AM

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press the f10 key

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Cool thanks

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:43 AM

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first boon was artemis, rerolled to athena, got the phalanx cast

night pasture Apr 22, 2020, 2:47 AM

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I'm trying to fulfill the benefits package prophecy, and the only one I'm missing is "cloner", and I've been running it on a single charge for the past 4 runs

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is it something that needs more than one level on the pact?

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 2:47 AM

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No.

night pasture Apr 22, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I am willing to accept I'm just unlucky, just wanted to make sure

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:53 AM

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@naive tusk is your boon tree list missing duo boons?

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Not sure how the f is a single god boon tree supposed to include duo boons without misinformation...

civic grotto Apr 22, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Are the crit chance buffs multiplicative (for example, having the 10% crit chance on the bow and then getting Artemis’ boon of 4% raising the crit chance to 10.4%) or additive (in the same scenario, 14%)?

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:55 AM

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lol, yeah, no one has made a duo boon tree

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:55 AM

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yeah they have

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:56 AM

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well then why did you ask the question....

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:56 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/YCAfGan is confusing

Imgur

Duo Boons

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i dont understand it at all

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:56 AM

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The wiki is pretty easy to understand

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 2:56 AM

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That reads pretty clearly to me.

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:57 AM

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no, not really

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Lists what five core boons or alternate boons are needed, and it's Olympian specific.

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I think its clear if you already know how duos work

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Ares's Attack and Special boons are required for Curse of Longing, anything except Aphrodite's Call on her side.

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"Unlocking a Duo Boon: Having at least 1 of the indicated boons from each god in the pairing."

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:58 AM

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so why are both ares and aphrodite's boons in the attack thing

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Basically, most duos require one boon from each god on the core abilities (attack, special, cast, dash, and call)

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 2:58 AM

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makes 0 sense

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Because either is an option.

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 2:59 AM

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and then once you have one boon from each god on the core abilities, a boon from either god has a chance at giving you a duo

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The exceptions are logical

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Like ares and artemis duo requires ares cast, because the duo modifies the ares cast

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Or dionysus and demeter duo (ice wine) requires dio cast, because the duo modifies the cast

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 3:03 AM

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@latent junco It works like this:

You must have at least 1 boon from each god in the pairing
The boon that leads to the duo boon must occupy the slot it shows (In the case of Heart Rend, for example, Artemis' boon should occupy either Attack or Special, Aphrodite's boon should occupy Attack, Special, Cast or Dash)
Once you have a boon from each god in the slot that's specified in the chart, their duo boon may appear in future choices

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Hope this is clear enough squirtyay

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:04 AM

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alright, thank you

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i just did the hydra with the pact augment

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that was interesting

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:29 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/rZq3YsA

Imgur

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all 3 DDs left

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Check out that Battle Rage ⚔️

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:30 AM

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yup

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Battle Rage on Hestia. 👌

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:30 AM

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i am not sure how it went from epic to heroic, but god darn was it amazing

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what about hestia?

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:31 AM

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It's really good.

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:31 AM

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oh the caster railgun?

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Yup.

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:34 AM

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oh wait, i meant bow, and you mean hera?@turbid needle

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:34 AM

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No, Hestia.

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:35 AM

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hestia is not for casting

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Why are you bringing up Hera, I never mentioned it.

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:36 AM

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because you agreed about the caster part

opal ginkgo Apr 22, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Hey question I’m struggling to actually beat [redacted] once getting there anyone got tips to gitgud

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Don't try to dodge away or through Hades, dodge perpendicular to his angle from you.

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If he's directly to your right or left, move up or down, maybe towards him a little bit.

opal ginkgo Apr 22, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Ok makes sense any builds particularly effective

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:45 AM

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anything works as long as you are skilled to dodge

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gotta learn his patterns

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did you ever get him to the second phase?

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 3:46 AM

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@opal ginkgo Highly recommend extra dashes from Hermes and Athena's dash if you are struggling. Those 2, especially together, will make you untouchable

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:47 AM

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his spear AoE swing is RIDICULOUS

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you need some form of movement speed or i-frame

opal ginkgo Apr 22, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Yes several times I’ve passed the game before but felt like I got waaay lucky

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 3:47 AM

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it is annoying as hell to dodge as melee

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Also if you're charging your bull rush (blocking) with the shield while facing hades, you can block his spins

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:09 AM

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i almost killed hades at 3 hp for both bars

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i only messed up once and died of course

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shield is what i used

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:17 AM

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shield blocks hades

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but i dont really use that feature aside from when im struggling

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:18 AM

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5 win streak!

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new record!

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:19 AM

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nice

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:21 AM

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wait wth lol

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i talked to thanatos, he left. I went into the admin chamber, came out, he's back, talked to him again, he's gone

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:23 AM

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"Oh uh... Forgot something"

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:24 AM

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really lol, i was laughing quite a bit when i saw him again, and even more when he said "Sorry Zag, I am super busy, gotta go!"

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am I'm like "Bruh, why were you here AGAIN if you were so damn busy?!"

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:26 AM

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XD

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:30 AM

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my second Death Defier : https://imgur.com/nnsTTEq

Imgur

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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ZAG SWRD - Legendary rank

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hm

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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what's death defier?

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Die 5 times or more

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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to what?

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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to anything i figure

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:31 AM

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As in lose death defiances

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5 of them

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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oh

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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oh so you used 5 death defiances?

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I lost 6 that run

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Patroclus gave me 2 and athena gave me another, and then I lost my initial 3

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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athena gives 2, chaos 1, patro up to 3, there's skelly, the wells, etc

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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is there still that one chaos boon that gives +1 max death defiance

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or does it now just replenish 1

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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It still exists

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And it gives you a fourth

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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rad

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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dang

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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have not seen the max increase one

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i saw the refill one

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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If you have the mirror trait for the alt of the DD, you can get an extra one that replenishes every chamber

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Baller

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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stubborn defiance

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and yes, it's infinite

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Although I've seen a screen shot of someone getting the replenishing one from chaos despite having the normal DDs

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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hold up, that works like THAT?

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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I mean given how rare the boon is

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I dont see an issue

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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getting +1 max dd with stubborn gets you, two stubborn dd's?

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no i mean that's fine it's just

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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ah yes

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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holy crap

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Yeah but even then, I'd prefer the 3 dd slots

latent junco Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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same

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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I would have lost that last run if I only had 2

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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can pretty much kill hades ezily now so....

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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But having 3 DD slots on top of a 4th regenerative DD slot must have been a bug

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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quick question on how kiss of styx works with stubborn defiance

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how, does it work???

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:35 AM

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question is, do the extras replenish ?

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Kiss with stubborn makes the defiance restore more of your hp. Lasts 20 encounters

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Costs way less too, i think

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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yikes

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Yeah

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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i think ill do a run with charon's help

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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So it "temporarily" pumps your stubborn defiance

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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There is a chaos boon that gives you a regenerative dd slot which is supposed to only show up if you have stubborn defiance

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 4:37 AM

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The trick is getting through the final boss with only two "lives".

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:38 AM

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or does the kiss of styx wear off when your stubborn goes off?

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like, your next stubborn defiance heals more

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Especially considering the Stubborn Defiance heals so little.

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No, it applies to every Defiance for the next 20 chambers.

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I want to do the mirror quest for beating the game with all talents

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And stubborn is sitting there

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Taunting me

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I've used stubborn defiance once so I have no idea

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:39 AM

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i can see why stubborn defiance isn't the preferred pick but on the other hand, it definitely has its uses

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:39 AM

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It's great for learning the game

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:40 AM

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god i'mma have to get used to this bot

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yeah stubborn defiance lets you play sloppy

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while regular defiance rewards you for being not-sloppy and carrying them all the way to hades

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Yeah most of the work in winning a run is technically preparing yourself for the Hades fight

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Yeah

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And surviving Elysium.

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Yeah, you need to make sure you're able to make it to Hades in the first place

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:43 AM

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on a sidenote; i've been considering setting up a few savefiles to try hell/god mode

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:43 AM

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God mode is something you can turn on or off whenever

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:43 AM

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of course i know one makes the game a lot rougher and the other a lot easier, but. by how much, exactly?

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:44 AM

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God mode reduces the damage you take, i think it starts of like 20%? And gets stronger the more you die

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Hell mode doesn't make the game much more difficult except for the beginning of the game. It also limits your ability to farm darkness

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 4:44 AM

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And forces you to play with heat right away

dense locust Apr 22, 2020, 4:45 AM

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hence the beginning being more difficult

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 4:54 AM

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how exactly does it limit darkness farming

covert tide Apr 22, 2020, 4:59 AM

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I’ve had no trouble getting all the darkness I need on hell mode

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The difference is that once you beat a number of heat with a weapon, you can’t do it again

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So you can’t ever do low heat runs just to farm darkness

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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At that skill level, you really don't need to farm darkness in that manner anyways

covert tide Apr 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Yeah I know, I’m just saying how it is potentially limiting

spare zealot Apr 22, 2020, 5:22 AM

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whats hell mode

near lark Apr 22, 2020, 5:24 AM

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ah, so you're allowed 1 run max per heat threshold

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Yikes

olive badge Apr 22, 2020, 10:16 AM

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how do you guys farm darkness anyway, aside from running low Heat ofc

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 10:20 AM

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get eclipse. It solves regen problems and gives extra darkness

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also, @olive badge isn't that just, u know, un-consequence-able afterparty?

olive badge Apr 22, 2020, 10:23 AM

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yes I know

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dusa

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don't worry people will still pick Deathless even if it's implemented

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as of now you would still kill yourself to get un-consequence-able afterparty, this just speed up the process

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and the part where you have to not die to get that

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 10:29 AM

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yeah...

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btw, eclipse tho scales as much as other choices from chaoes, it still usually overheals u by darkness

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so it's usually my go-to pick when rarities are all low

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Side note tho, Imo stubborn should get a full rework

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+30% against bosses is nothing compared to +150% max from dd, even 1 charge of dd is better in this case

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How to make it not much better than dd at normal encounters but better at boss encounters is a huge problem to solve

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Stub is really not strong rn

errant narwhal Apr 22, 2020, 10:38 AM

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ocean's bounty also gives you extra darkness, right

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as well as the random bonus from weapons

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 10:39 AM

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ocean's bounty gives 50% extra

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also gives extra gems, but doesnt really matter

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 10:43 AM

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ocean's bounty only works on room reward darkeness, which is not the main source of that regen :p but again, it's good bonus nonetheless

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trove and ||bouldy|| amped by eclipse is busted, on the other hand

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 10:46 AM

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umm... charged skewer isn't letting me charge it anymore after doing the rock and gorgon miniboss

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in fact the range is constantly at a really high limit now

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is that a bug?

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 11:08 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/702475865673695272/20200422140542_1.jpg

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with cold fusion the duo quest is done

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no more quests

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Nice

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 11:31 AM

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chaos can't appear in styx, right?

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 11:34 AM

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i'm

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actually not sure

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i think i vaguely remember seeing a chaos gate once

olive badge Apr 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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I agree with @naive laurel that stubborn needs a full rework, but for now I think making it a free afterparty is already make it somewhat viable, or make it get stronger with every encounter that did not consume it (2% per room, reset on use or when leaving the biome)

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 11:45 AM

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afterparty?

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also do you guys like using more casts or regenerating casts for the bow? the aspect that uses the casts to load in the shots that is

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ok someone help me understand something here

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what combination of [X] blood and [X] soul works best with aspect of hera?

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it's occurring to me that if you want to do more damage due to boiling blood, you'll want to leave at least one cast in the enemy, and then shoot the other casts

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but does that do more damage than just loading all casts in at once?

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Welp, trying blade zag aspect FO40 32 heat run w/o seed manipulation is painful

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13 tries 0 wins, 0 styx even

sly sonnet Apr 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

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I would help with the aspect of hera

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but I tried it and dont like it

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I love cast builds but hera is just meh

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But I would go with regenerating

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and dont pick tight deadline

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because its slow af

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 12:13 PM

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someone said hera with boiling blood and stygian soul is anti synergy though?

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i don't really get how

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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i think it's because hera makes the bloodstones drop faster. so instead of having the full time of boiling blood giving 50% damage, you only get like 5s and have to cast again

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and since you're running stygian soul, you don't really need the bloodstones to drop to keep casting

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 12:19 PM

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right...

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hmm... i feel like infernal blood and stygian soul are a safer pick for hera then

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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poseidon sword and hera bow were made with infernal soul in mind, but if you get lucky and get chaos +casts it can be good with stygian soul

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 12:40 PM

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wait

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can fully loaded not appear if you use trippy shot on hera bow?

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 12:48 PM

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fully loaded won't appear over dio, demeter and ares casts now, No matter the weapon/aspect

twin mural Apr 22, 2020, 12:49 PM

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ffff goddammit

turbid prairie Apr 22, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Does aspect of Arthur still have a dash attack? I had Artemis on my dash the last time I used it and it seemed kind of anemic for some reason. Am I crazy?

balmy zephyr Apr 22, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I recently started a new game on hell mode, i forget is the fated list of prophecies retroactive, if i already got a requirement of a prophecy before i buy the fated list from the contractor does it still count as done?

limber lotus Apr 22, 2020, 2:36 PM

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yes, you'll see them in progress when you buy the list

mighty ermine Apr 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@turbid prairie Arthur works weirdly with dash attacks in the sense that you can dash mid-combo and your attack after the dash can be the next in the combo rather than a basic dash-attack

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Yeah
That makes Arthur way more manageable imo

weak rivet Apr 22, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I dont think chaos can appear in styx

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Neither can erebus

naive tusk Apr 22, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I have never seen either in Styx so, most likely, no squirtyay

dusky grove Apr 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513633140653293707/702569185745698896/unknown.png
So god mode doesnt count huh ?

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still, streaks is there

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huh... Even the end lines are the same as when you first kill him

balmy zephyr Apr 22, 2020, 5:29 PM

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what do I need to buy form the contractor to be able to buy the rod of fishing I don't see the option to buy the rod of fishing from the contractor

glass ether Apr 22, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I think back then when this game first came out in EGS urns had a small chance of dropping healing items. Is this still a thing?

unkempt pagoda Apr 22, 2020, 6:05 PM

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there's a keepsake now that does the same thing

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you get it from dusa

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 6:15 PM

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When i think i finally got a non-ares shield of chaos run, ares does this to me residentzag https://i.imgur.com/YEpMBeo.png

Imgur

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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You must choose the path of the war god
it is inevitable

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 6:32 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/702587566251048960/20200422213123_1.jpg

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32 heat with arthur

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Huh, do you just dislike the other weapons compared to Stygian Blade and Shield of Chaos or do you just find it harder to win with them?

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Also congrats!

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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well i did play with chaos shield a lot

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and when arthur sword came i played with that

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bcs i liked playing with them

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im playing with others time to time

jagged solstice Apr 22, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Makes sense haha

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 6:44 PM

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nice, i cant play with arthur aspect at all

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when ares really wants you to win the run https://i.imgur.com/ZqSPOzN.png

Imgur

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600 damage doom procs

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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i will try with rail next i think

lament coral Apr 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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how misfortunate

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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"cmon lad get out of there i need you to start a war or two"

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 6:46 PM

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misfortune and merciful end kinda negating

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but merciful end is better anyway

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 6:47 PM

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not entirely, they used a shield of chaos and ares special, they could just loop bullrush and special to loop big stacks of misfortune in this case

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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hmm yeah i didnt look at the wep true

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not as bad

lament coral Apr 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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there's definitely anti-synergy between the two

proud storm Apr 22, 2020, 7:09 PM

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hang on

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how come you got a perfect clear when youve lost a DD

stable onyx Apr 22, 2020, 7:10 PM

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perfect clear is ending with full hp

proud storm Apr 22, 2020, 7:10 PM

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oh

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 8:52 PM

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not entirely, they used a shield of chaos and ares special, they could just loop bullrush and special to loop big stacks of misfortune in this case
@neon fiber yup, basically that. i even had both athena attack + dash so i could choose how to trigger merciful end

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also, i wish there was a way to know which boons are pom-able and which aren't

neon fiber Apr 22, 2020, 9:28 PM

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am genius

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Hard decisions: trial or eurydice?

turbid needle Apr 22, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Eurydice.

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 11:30 PM

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yeah, proboably. i went trial and got 2 useless boons

gray lintel Apr 22, 2020, 11:38 PM

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90% of the time, eurydice

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this is especially the case if you have close to 2 boons that benefit from increased rarity, or all your boons scale with rarity.

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Otherwise you.. probably... still want eurydice? because 3 boons with higher rarity

flat brook Apr 22, 2020, 11:42 PM

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i had lots of crappy boons, so my thought process was that ambrosia and pom would be wasted

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then i ended up getting more 2 crappy boons lol

naive laurel Apr 22, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Eurydice at least is 4 nectar bottle, imo that's 300+ obols worth.

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And I pick the pom option a lot, cuz I spread my upgrades for maximum benefits

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Ofc, where there's something like athena dash, more consideration would be given.

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 12:02 AM

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I agree, if you've already got mostly Epics or Rares, Pom Porridge is a great pick.

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

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poms great if again you got a buncha stuff that scales well with it. Like last run I had bladerift dash, bladerift AOE, zeus revenge, athena call

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you 100% want to pom all of t hose

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so gimme dem poms sis

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:23 AM

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are erebus boons guaranteed to be better quality? i know that obols, health and poms are worth double

near lark Apr 23, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Erebus Boons are +1 Rarity, like boons from minibosses.

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 12:32 AM

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til there's actually a reason to fight mini-bosses instead of taking the not miniboss room

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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i prefer fighting mini boss rooms since they're often faster, with some exceptions

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looking at you, barge of death

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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barge of death is IMO quite fast if you can kill the invuln crystals quickly

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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A lot of boons scales scarily from lvl 0 to 1, and even to 2.
That's when Pom Porridge becomes absolutely busted.
It also allows u to pick obol rooms or heart rooms more later, to allows buying more boons

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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they used to be much worse(the invulnerability used to persist even after you killed the crystals...)

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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For me, seeing Eurydice is basically (hey easy power spike time) reaction.

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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also, musak

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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but when you have a lot of crappy normal/rare boons that you only picked because nothing you wanted was offered

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do you still go eurydice?

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@flat brook trust me, if u get middle management, u'll beg for barge of death to appear instead of....

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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or if you go, just take the nectar then?

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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ugh, even crappy normal/rare boons scales to epic a lot of times after 1 lvl

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so pom prob still be my pick, but like I said, still depends on the boons

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I do spread-power builds a lot, 3 dmg sources is very normal for me

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so pom is bliss

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:41 AM

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UGH flame wheels should not appear in erebus

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so frustrating

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:41 AM

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erebus is not balanced rn Imo

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but, at least u can Not go in There

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I usually Only go when I see a 50 max health coming

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:42 AM

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they took the "suffering" part too seriously

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i took it because it was a bonus room anyways

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so i lost nothing

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but still

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 12:53 AM

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u did lose something actually

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It takes a room count, so u get 1 less room reward technically

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:59 AM

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oh, it does?

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good to know

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:10 AM

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yeah...so rn what I see them as, is a "hmm do i go risky for an extra heart/100obol/boon-rarity/pom-lvl or go safe"

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usually, it ends up in latter

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dusa I see ya

spare zealot Apr 23, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I don't like Erebus either. Every time they show up I can't justify the risk of burning a room. Even when the next chamber is just darkness or something. at least that heals

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Depends, if it's key/gem, erebus would be higher priority than usual, but still low

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Unless it's right off rooms 12, 22, or 34, in which case they're either free or you have to eat whatever damage you took.

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Yep, that's true

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but iirc not 12? 13?

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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k

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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13 is the pre-boss room.

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I mean, I can just go get killed again and see :p

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but yeah, side point

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also, that applies to chaoes room too

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Yeah, but then you're facing a Chaos curse going into the boss fight.

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Take Chaos early in the biome, Erebus if you're bold or at the pre-boss chamber.

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I just pick the chamber preview hidden usually :p

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or trap, against theseus

spare zealot Apr 23, 2020, 1:39 AM

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how often is that available though

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:40 AM

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reroll time

spare zealot Apr 23, 2020, 1:40 AM

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lol

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 1:40 AM

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tho rn I use routine inspection, so that's not an option

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even so tho, there's options that's not that harmful

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less max health, cannot use a certain move u have no core boon on

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it's basically pickable in 1 reroll

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Cold Fusion or Storm Lightning? I'm in Chamber 34. https://gyazo.com/69c559ddaf8fe7bc0ea721913a80c17b

Gyazo

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 2:00 AM

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the more often u apply ur lightning , the worse cold fusion is imo

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get billowing strength

earnest ravine Apr 23, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Storm Lightning would be darn nice for clearing Styx out, though.

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Like, you're using a rail so definitely not Fusion. I'm saying Storm or Billowing Strength.

naive tusk Apr 23, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I'd say Billowing Strength

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Billowing strength as a generic damage boost should (hypothetically) scale lightning.

serene jolt Apr 23, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Hit me with your favorite Aspect of Demeter Fist builds
Please

dusky grove Apr 23, 2020, 2:17 AM

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backward kick residentzag

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Zeus Attack, Artemis Special, Aphrodite Dash.

unkempt pagoda Apr 23, 2020, 2:17 AM

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poseidon special on maxed demeter fists means that bosses actually get knocked back

dusky grove Apr 23, 2020, 2:30 AM

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wutttttttttttttttt

gray lintel Apr 23, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Stacking special damage and aphrodite special means ONE PAUUUUNCH

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or one kick, rather, with advancing kick :v

dusky grove Apr 23, 2020, 4:10 AM

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:v

spare zealot Apr 23, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I think the third boss fight with extreme measures is actually easier than the default 3rd fight

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giant AOE circles are so much easier to deal with than random spear throws taking potshots at you while you deal with the big guy

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Plus when you go to deal with the little guy, you can just tail him, slashing his backside and pretty much be safe.

earnest ravine Apr 23, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Asterius does, however, go very ham.

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Especially on FO.

spare zealot Apr 23, 2020, 6:02 AM

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yeah, I will say the AOE slam he gets is obnoxious

dense locust Apr 23, 2020, 7:46 AM

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There is an argument to be made there, but asterius certainly does go ham, and if you happen to get hit by a stray rocket, it hurts a lot, and sometimes he can catch you off guard by running you over or shooting you with the machine gun. I'd say its certainly worth the heat it gives but takes getting used to how to properly fight

rich cedar Apr 23, 2020, 7:50 AM

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EM3 is when you really dontwant to be playing fists

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 7:58 AM

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do the cast build for fists, it's gonna work :p

turbid needle Apr 23, 2020, 8:01 AM

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You know Theseus's throw has a target on you, right?

real gust Apr 23, 2020, 8:02 AM

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it's still hard to evade it when you're busy with bull buddy

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also hard to notice

neon fiber Apr 23, 2020, 8:22 AM

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just do some pillar shenanigans

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his spear doesn't go through walls

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Summon meg right at start and she hits both

earnest ravine Apr 23, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Reflect it back at him to establish dominance with your OWN spear

neon fiber Apr 23, 2020, 8:23 AM

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lol

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Then while its slowed down hit him with 3 casts to increase damage

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 AM

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or, just do 1k dmg with the SPEAR POWER with 1 button

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Makes it a lot easier

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 AM

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cast stone lodging does not increase dmg taken from summons iirc

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:24 AM

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I know

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I'm talking about player damage

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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However, I think we can do the sweet surrender combo

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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And you cant damage anything for like 2 seconds after the summon

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So casts is logical

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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meg, crush shot then before it hits

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them*

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Thats a good one

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Crush shot is quick

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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i forgot what can increase foe's all dmg taken

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Sweet surrender

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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ik, i'm thinking about what else can

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nothing comes to mind 2bh

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Like a general boon?

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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even billowing strength does not increase summon dmg iirc

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Urge to kill

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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oh i mean foe dmg taken

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from summon

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Oh

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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only sweet surrender can amp that iirc

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oh and blackout

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that's one hellofa buff

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Eris aspect

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Increases all damage

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But thats a different weapon

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Lol

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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i don't think self-buff helps summon dmg

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i can be wrong, but I don't think it does

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Last I remember it did

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I used to use it for hydra skip

naive laurel Apr 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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interesting.....

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some boons gets a even higher priority for me now

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w/ this info

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Oh yeah

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Its 60% to all damage

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Elemental

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All of em

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Its nice

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I had rail with passion dash

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Heart rend

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Clean kill sweet surrender and 2 100% special damage chaos boons

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Highest amount I did was 11.5k of damage in one special burst

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But that was before nerd

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Its still strong though

proud storm Apr 23, 2020, 9:35 AM

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than's keepsake can buff summon damage

dense locust Apr 23, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Hell mode, Eris rail, rocket bomb, triple bomb, +63% cast damage boon. I was trying to farm darkness but chaos wasn't cooperative so I just leaned into it: https://imgur.com/BjxBdRf

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earnest ravine Apr 23, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Sometimes you just gotta make things go Boom

neon fiber Apr 23, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Triple bomb is best upgrade

dense locust Apr 23, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Yeah if things don't go as planned, you make hades pay

mint bloom Apr 23, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Rocket cluster with heroic special speed was my jam

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I dont like how triple bomb has a 2 second shot lock

dense locust Apr 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Another attempt at darkness farming with little luck, but at least chaos gave me one darkness boon. Eris, 4 athena dashes: https://imgur.com/0SwNZDU

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rich cedar Apr 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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lol

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your attakc inflcits doom on rail?

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Do you find the cooldown cast to be better than the drop cast?

dense locust Apr 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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100%

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I haven't actually used the old cast once since stygian soul came out

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And the point of doom on attack is merciful end. I also had athena dash, which is what activates the merciful end

rich cedar Apr 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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so you only special and dash then

flat brook Apr 23, 2020, 12:13 PM

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T H I C C dashes https://i.imgur.com/PrU9vZa.png

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