#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 478

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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now that I know each individual clone shield proc the bolt

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I'm gonna master zeus shield after I got 40 with chaoes

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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bouldy

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no

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I mean Chaos Shield

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with Zeus special

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each individual shield proc a bolt

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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that's kinda...weird

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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and both on returning

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and sending out

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you hit point blank with that it MELTS

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I supposed it's fine, but I like hangover on it more

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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https://streamable.com/bfiain

Streamable

Hades 2020-04-17 23-58-31 - Streamable

▶ Play video

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watch this and change your mind

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Oh nope, I have had better than that with hangover :p the long white health bar residentzag

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u can't convert me on that shadesmile

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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was it the Dionysus Legendary

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I once killed Hades in like 20s too

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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No, just 11 per tick

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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ice wine, dio call and legendary

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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but there's aphro duo

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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residentzag

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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so it's 8 stacks

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and it's 32 heat

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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my highest is 18 with Excalibur

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damn

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Bro, u should try these builds in high heat

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it's not that much different

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just be more careful and u'll get 'em

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just don't take underworld customs

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that thing took my billowing strength once bouldy

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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also, it turns out you can't replay 25 heat on hell

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Have to be 26?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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you have to keep increasing the heat

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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What's the difference for Hell mode

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I don't think that's the case? I played 32 and 33 on shield after finishing 25, but I think I can still play 25

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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just try it, it won't let you

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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even with the button showing i can?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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yep

spare zealot Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I read something last night about "pinning boons"

What's that

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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you click on it but the run doesn't start

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I hope it's not forcing me to get 32 as base..

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but again, 32 is....weirdly fun

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I just wanted to farm some darkness

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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getting the last 3 talents disabled makes u feel like u are actually less worrying about rarity

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cuz u know u don't have influence on it anymore

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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but you also can't do anything about bad rooms or bad boons

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cause no fates

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i never do anything about bad rooms, cuz I don't use fates

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and...bad boons i never take, but now I can see how good they actually is

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doing a run while salvaging it from the get-go is the fun there

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ofc can get frustrating, that's what I experienced, but not a problem

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btw, try if 26 is not repeatable

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or i guess u already have

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I'll have to do 26 first

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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no rush, just play what u want

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just don't forget to tell us :p

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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thought, I am a little concerned now

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what's gonna happen if they add more bounties and I've already done all those heats?

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@fallow niche did you know that Zeus special affects Chaos shield's bonus shields?

fallow niche Apr 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@hybrid galleon @naive tusk Artemis's legendary boon now requires both Dual Shot and Exit Wounds when she used to only require one or the other. Both DS and Exit Wounds have the same reqs (though you can't get Exit Wounds if you have a cast like Ares that can't get in enemies iirc), which is having a cast boon (from any god) and one of Artemis's tier 1 boons (attack, special, cast, and call [I don't think her Dash actually counts unlike what that chart says, not sure though]).

The reason Fully Loaded requires both now is that last update Poseidon Sword with Artemis Cast was the fastest build in the game and we speedrunners took it to complete the game in under 6 minutes. Its a recurring trend for the fastest build to get severely nerfed every update (usually in weird ways even).

spare zealot Apr 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I guess I'm not terribly surprised that this game has speedrunners, but I am surprised that there's significant interest in a genre that's about RNG

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/700776708038721546/20200417213500_1.jpg

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was just trying to get the duo for fates

unkempt pagoda Apr 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i mean, speedrunners play seeded runs and use various forms of rng manipulation

spare zealot Apr 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I was wondering if there was a set seed they used

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i managed to got some zeus build along the way

unkempt pagoda Apr 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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one of the users here was mapping out a good seed before to give to speedrunners

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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is that where Zag rail came from?

unkempt pagoda Apr 17, 2020, 6:39 PM

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and i know tournament speedrunners give the same mapped out seed to everyone to judge purely on skill

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 6:42 PM

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“Both DS and Exit Wounds have the same reqs (though you can't get Exit Wounds if you have a cast like Ares that can't get in enemies iirc), which is having a cast boon (from any god) and one of Artemis's tier 1 boons (attack, special, cast, and call [I don't think her Dash actually counts unlike what that chart says, not sure though]).”
@fallow niche

I looked into the files and they don’t have the same requirements. You can get both without even having a Cast boon and, yes, Hunter Dash is one among the prerequisites

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:43 PM

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@naive tusk what is the Daedalus hammer page problem u talking about

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Ah, let me check it so I can tell you

fallow niche Apr 17, 2020, 6:44 PM

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I've never seen dual shot without a cast boon, same with exit wounds

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Seems really weird

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But ty for the Dash note

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@sacred idol had a run with Fully Loaded before and with a normal cast. They were feeling a bit sad that they didn’t have a Cast boon yet lol

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Anytime, mate squirtyay

fallow niche Apr 17, 2020, 6:47 PM

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sweats

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oh my god

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that must have been miserable

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idk how you get so lucky and unlucky at the same time shadesmile

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 6:58 PM

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@naive laurel I was mentioning that the art for some of the upgrades is incorrect/missing like in this page https://hades.gamepedia.com/Adamant_Rail#Upgrades

Hades Wiki

Adamant Rail

Exagryph, the Adamant Rail, is an Infernal Arm that can be unlocked for 8 Chthonic Keys after all other weapons have been unlocked. It is a ranged weapon modeled after a repeating rifle.

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The descriptions are updated so that’s good

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Hello

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Any good/fun build recommended for the bow Hera?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Trippy Shot + its Duo boons

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Ok ty

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Get a hangover boon for a chance at Black Out as well squirtyay

round summit Apr 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Trippy Shot + its Duo boons
specially Demeter's duo boon

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Any good/fun build recommended for the bow Hera?
get Zeus' attack

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you can clean a room without even needing to see the enemies

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I see

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😄

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first time I try this bow

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I hated the bow before but it's really funny

round summit Apr 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Bow was the first weapon I used to beat the game

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normally I would die at Asphodel's boss with it

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but when you get used to it and can spam power shots, it starts to be real fun

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:16 PM

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yeah

proven tartan Apr 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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got a run with full bladerift upgrades

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one of the funniest builds ive tried

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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especially if you got the fury

proven tartan Apr 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Ares ult does a great dps on the final boss btw

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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you can destroy hades

round summit Apr 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Ares ult does a great dps on the final boss btw
but it isn't funnier then Poseidon's ult on Big Baddie

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he's trying to kill you, but you be surfing

proven tartan Apr 17, 2020, 7:24 PM

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dusa

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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@naive tusk Oh I think adding art is a bit over my reach

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maybe I'll start digging game data, but not sure I have to brain to do it

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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It’s no biggie 😁

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Holy s

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I actually can't find any boon information from the sjson files, but everything else is there

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guess i need to dig deep

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Yep, I need help on finding the stats of each and every boon

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then I'm in for deep on the wiki updates

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nvm i think i found it..

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 8:27 PM

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json sounds like Jason

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prob not gonna play today... gonna have sister try it tommorow

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:28 PM

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actually, it's all in lua files

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my lack of programming practical knowledge mislead me

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I just need to find icon files like ||"Boon_Zeus_04"|| to confirm the boon and I think it's gonna be fine

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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what are you attempting to find

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why is light listed as an obstacle blobneutral

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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I'm trying to find the boon-related image files to confirm which boon is which

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yeah f it, imma just get them identified base on boon name and effect and dmg

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Time to update the wiki..

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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||{ "GunGrenadeToss", "GunBombWeapon", "GunWeaponDash", "SniperGunWeapon", "SniperGunWeaponDash" }|| i don't know what those last two are for the adamant rail.

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Probablu some of the aspect abilities

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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are these supposed to be aspects or just functions?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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||they're listed in WeaponSets.lua, spoiling on the off chance it's for something other than third aspect shrug||

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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GunWeaponDash sounds like a generic dash attack name

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SniperGun probably refers to Hestia

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cause Hestia's shot overrides the regular dash

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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does the dash actually behave different or no

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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if you reloaded, Hestia shot overrides it

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Funnily, when they said god gauge gain multiplier is 1.4 but the multiplier of the multiplier is 1.5, it only becomes 1.6 in total instead of 2.1

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cuz the 1.5x is only on the extra 0.4, funnily

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so the "multiplier" itself is already problematic

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good thing this is only on poseidon and zeus, so i remembering them both makes it a fine double confirmation

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    {
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
        Icon = "Boon_Poseidon_10",
        RequiredSlottedTrait = "Shout",
        RarityLevels =
        {
            Common =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.00,
            },
            Rare =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.25,
            },
            Epic =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.50,
            },
            Heroic =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.75,
            }
        },
        DefensiveSuperGainMultiplier =
        {
            BaseMin = 1.4,
            BaseMax = 1.4,
            SourceIsMultiplier = true,
            IdenticalMultiplier =
            {
                Value = DuplicateMultiplier,
            },
        },```

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and i vividly remember poseidon's epic number being 60%

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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wait, Zeus' faster gauge charge is inaccurate?

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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the multiplier of rarity only works on the extra .1

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cuz in poseidon's case, it only worked on the extra .4

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and yeah I've taken it multiple times

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it's 14% on epic

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I'm editing that rn as we speak

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Holy, reading all this finally makes me fully question how outdates those wiki numbers are lul

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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probably very

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not much interest in editing it when stuff changes every month

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Well...a quick glance for me will solve a lot

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so I'm down :p

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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all the work you're putting in now could be wiped out in June when the big patch hits

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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and that's june :p

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2 months of clean wiki, I'll take the emotional bonus

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I'm lagging hard in internet so much rn that I can't play fps games at all, so may as well use the extra time

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1 thing I'm not sure is what those 4 names correspond to our 4 moves

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i'm curiously peering into this stuff now. traitdata has some interesting things. i'm guessing the start is how much boons sell for.

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i'd be kind of interested in knowing how pom falloff works and if it interacts with boon rarity

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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wait, dash slot is called "melee"???

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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higher rarity offers better scaling

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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o9k nvm I think melee is primary attack

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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there's also an 'identicalmodifier' and I don't know what that does

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I kinda don't care about those too much

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not that deep into them :p u know

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whoever uses the top value for those rarity changes should be fined lul

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Rare:

Multiplier: 1.3–1.5

Epic:

Multiplier: 1.8–2.0

Heroic:

Multiplier: 2.3–2.5

On the wiki, it's never intended for rarity changes for these boons lul

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also, in hades all numbers are rounded up or down

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cuz i am not sure about those roundings

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or i'll just type in the decibals i guess

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I just did an ares greater call and wow

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No wonder everyone loves it so much

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Wait a sec....I don't think much people like it in here

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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It's very polarizing.

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All of the Calls are, actually.

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Really? What little gameplay vids i saw of it had everyone using ares’ call

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Although i can see why some of em would be polarizing

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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also, is it true that jolted epic dmg can change from run to run?

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cuz I see jolted being listed, but there's no definitive multiplier

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I thought all boons changed in value from run to run.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I don't think some do

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:25 PM

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You're right, not all do.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:25 PM

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and weirdly, from the data itself, most does not change value

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If i see it correctly, only those whose rarity multiplier not specifically listed would have variable multipliers

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Teleporting cloning Witches. That wasn't a frustrating chamber at all.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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lemme guess, u have no deflect

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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No, but I did have Serrated Edge and Deadly Strike, so it wasn't dangerous or difficult, just super super annoying.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I'd agree on that...

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also, what is this

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WrathDamageBuffTrait

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it's zeus related and I have no idea what exactly it does

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Call/Aid used to be called Wrath.

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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That'd be Zeus' Billowing Strength

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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ohhhh yeah I got it

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wait a sec

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in game it's 20%, but in here it's 15%

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Does black metal affect ares’ call too?

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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on common

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Wow, Hermes, you give me Bad News when I have Crystal Clarity prereqs but offer Epic Greatest Reflex in the same choice?

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@neon fiber Yes.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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    {
        Icon = "Boon_Zeus_08",
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
        DamagePerSuperStock =
        {
            BaseValue = 0.15,
            IdenticalMultiplier =
            {
                Value = DuplicateMultiplier,
            },
        },
        SetupFunction =
        {
            Name = "SetupSuperDamageBonus",
            RunOnce = true,
        },
        ExtractValues =
        {
            {
                Key = "DamagePerSuperStock",
                ExtractAs = "TooltipDamage",
                Format = "Percent",
            }
        }
    },```

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 9:32 PM

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It should work on his Call. I remember Engulfing Vortex working on his Call so yeah

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:32 PM

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What in the actual f

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Welp, zeus is done, but there's enough confusions for me rn that I fear I'd encounter more

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Wanna guess what this boon is KappaBloob
AthenaShieldTrait

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Divine Protection.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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nupe

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1 more chance

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Holy Shield.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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brilliant reposte

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no joke

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I hate that boon.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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have a multiplier of 80%

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1.8, i mean

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which is the riposte's common base

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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It's in the same tier as Dire Misfortune, Life Affirmation, and Tempest Strike.

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Sorry, that's not fair to BR, DM, or LA.

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Tempest Strike is pre-fix Flurry Shot bad.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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which perk is tempest strike

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Poseidon attack.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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like anything posideon has it's good with zeus duo :x

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I don't like relying on a Duo for basic competency.

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If I want Zeus I'll just run Malphon or Exagryph, and if I want big damage I'll run Artemis or Aphrodite.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Temp strike needs it's multiplier doubled

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yes, doubled, I said it

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 9:58 PM

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> when duo dialog appears for a god but you pick a duo with an entirely different god instead

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 9:58 PM

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The other gods will remember this

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Oh there's a funny thing in the code

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    {
        Icon = "Boon_Zeus_07",
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
        RequiredTextLines = { "PoseidonWrathIntro01" },
        CustomTrayText = "ZeusShoutTrait_Tray",
        God = "Zeus",
        Slot = "Shout",
        RarityLevels =```

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I bet u guys can see it from miles away

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ok clearly not, lemme bold the part that's funny

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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unsurprising

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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for Blizzard Shot does it still work if you replace posideon's flood shot, or does it require floodshot

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Cunningham voices Zeus and Poseidon, after all

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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huh, brothers

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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and Hades

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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also, cannot bold code dusa

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well, the 3 brothers are all from him

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very talented I'd say lul

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cuz I def didn't tell

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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and the narrator

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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~~And the patch reader~~

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Wait, u guys know the vid right

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https://youtu.be/jei8vuCZdGU

YouTube

Supergiant Games

Hades - 'The Nighty Night Update' Patch Notes Dramatic Reading

The disembodied storyteller of Hades is here to help you read along with the patch notes for The Nighty Night Update.

Steam (http://bit.ly/hadessteam)
Epic Games Store (http://bit.ly/hadesegs)

Follow us on Social Media
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames
Instagram: ...

▶ Play video

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If not, shadesmile u are in for a treat

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Anyone else feel like the Narrator is AJ after he's hung out with Rucks for a while?

grand patrol Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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sorry i read this as naruto is aj im like. go on

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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@turbid needle also, it seems a lot of boons were based on the rare 1.3-1.5, epic 1.8-2.0, heroic 2.3-2.5 system, but not anymore

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Realy? Hm.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Yeah, tons of specific modifiers

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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~~it would have to be in a Boruto sequel where Naruto's an old man~~

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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From what I see rn, all dash are now fixed multipliers

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1-1.6 across

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Which, imo, makes dash one of the best to pick low rarity boons on

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ofc, athena dash on ANY rarity is fine

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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A fair number of dashes don't rely on rarity at all.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yep, mostly effect

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dio tho...

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Epic lvl 3 dio dash residentzag

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Dio is fine if you just need a Black Out generator.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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it does not give blackout anymore

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yep

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check the boon tree out

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Drunken Dash will get me one of Peer Pressure, Bad Influence, or Numbing Sensation.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:10 PM

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That's true, but it does not directly give blackout now

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I want that asap :p

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Imagine blacking out w/ the furies

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wait that sounds wrong

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Well, it should, and ideally we'll be replacing the Trippy Shot/High Tolerance either/or (since currently Trippy Shot is the ONLY Fog option right now) with a Fog Revenge boon.

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~~you could even make a fart joke~~

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Side note, typhoon's fury is +300%, or is it 300%

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cuz from description it looks like 300%

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Look, if any character would fit a fart joke, it's either Dionysus (party frat boy), Poseidon (pull my finger, nephew!), or Theseus (because of course).

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:13 PM

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sobs in nothing but normal rarity boons from hermes twice in a row

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Drift Dash.

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That scales the least from rarity, after Divine Dash.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Anyone remembers the number of epic typhoon's fury?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I don't understand why Theseus thanthink

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Because he's super stuffy and full of himself so something as undignified (but still funny) as a fart joke is only appropriate.

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Anything to knock him down a peg.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:16 PM

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wait wait wait

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do you actually need to knock away enemies with "boons with knockaway effects also cause lightning"

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or do you just need to damage

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:16 PM

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They need to move.

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Ah, I see shadesmile

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

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do the shards from blizzard shot knockback thonk

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

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2bh, even boss flinch

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also no

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

#

Shards? No.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

#

blizzard shot itself does

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which is why blizzard shot piercing through enemies w/ sea storm does even more huge dmg

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

wait does it pierce enemies?

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

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just think it as a zeus aspect special with thunder flourish

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

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i've been trying to avoid enemies so the cast doesn't delete lmao

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Yeah, it pierces enemies.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

but instead of moving fast, it moves slow

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

Wish it still sent out the pulses.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

and because some enemies are hard to knockback, it does TONS of dmg while in their model

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I don't remember if the shards inflict Chill or they just damage

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:20 PM

#

welp got two regenerating casts time to say hi to REDACTED

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...okay yeah actually targetting them DIRECTLY is, uh

#

this feels broken blobneutral

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:22 PM

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ikr

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:22 PM

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i don't even have any sort of build from this

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:22 PM

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a COMMON poseidon cast can delete hades, imagine epic

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:23 PM

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i don't know if it's the zeus + posideon boon that's doing or if just blizzard shot alone means instant boss deletion

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:23 PM

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both

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the knockback is simultaneous w/ the dmg instances

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so it's +40 on your base cast dmg everytime he gets knockedback/dmged

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

i only have 133 damage on my cast with like... 40 on the duo and +38% cast?

#

but it barely touched [REDACTED] and just

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"ooop there goes half their health"

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:25 PM

#

Wait.....poseidon used to have a "on-enemy-death" boon?

#

or is it I accidentally datamined something

#

guys, i guess i was right about disabling chamber distance requriement on this

#

    {
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier3Trait" },
        RequiredFalseTrait = "FishingTrait",
        RequiredTextLines = { "PoseidonFishQuest01" },
        Icon = "Boon_Poseidon_13",
        FishingPointChanceBonus = 0.2,
        DisableFishRequirements = true,
    },```

delicate nimbus Apr 17, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Sub 22 minute game, my best yet!

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:49 PM

#

Also, funny thing

#

different league works as a hidden debuff instead of self-buff

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enemies that does dmg to you while having the buff by being near u do less dmg

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instead of u taking less dmg by these enemys as a trait

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 10:50 PM

#

wait what about long range enemies then

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like the bow lads over at elysium that can basically snipe you from across the screen

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:50 PM

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they don't have the debuff because they are not near u

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so u take normal dmg from them

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

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lol really?

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

#

it already says "enemies near u"

#

it's just the description and how exactly it works does not match

#

the result is basically the same

tepid ridge Apr 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Clever. I’m assuming that Athena’s bronze skin works like a buff to the player then?

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

#

i think it is, lemme recheck

tepid ridge Apr 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

#

Seems like it would be easier except that the syntax already exists for debuffing enemy attacks, as you’ve just shown.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

#

fun fact: Aspect of Truck seems to disable traps in a much larger area than the aura itself

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

#

Yes, it is "incoming dmg" being modified

#

@tepid ridge

    {
        Icon = "Boon_Athena_06",
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
        RarityLevels =
        {
            Common =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.0,
            },
            Rare =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.5,
            },
            Epic =
            {
                Multiplier = 2.0,
            },
            Heroic =
            {
                Multiplier = 2.5,
            }
        },
        AddIncomingDamageModifiers =
        {
            NonTrapDamageTakenMultiplier =
            {
                BaseMin = 0.95,
                BaseMax = 0.95,
                SourceIsMultiplier = true,
                IdenticalMultiplier =
                {
                    Value = DuplicateMultiplier,
                },
            },
            ExtractValues =
            {
                {
                    Key = "NonTrapDamageTakenMultiplier",
                    ExtractAs = "TooltipDamageReduction",
                    Format = "NegativePercentDelta",
                },
            }
        }
    },```

#

And....Aphro's call actually scales with rarity, lul

#

+.5s per rarity

#

so, aphro currently holds the title of "using default floating rarity modifier the most"

#

@naive tusk @turbid needle that wasn't billowing strength, this is, which is weirdly lodged among ares's boons

    {
        InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
        Icon = "Boon_Zeus_13",
        OnSuperWeapons = { "AresShoutBuff" },
        RequiredSlottedTrait = "Shout",
        RarityLevels =
        {
            Common =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.00,
            },
            Rare =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.10,

            },
            Epic =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.20,
            },
            Heroic =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.30,
            }
        },
        PropertyChanges =
        {
            {
                WeaponName = "AresShoutBuff",
                EffectName = "ShoutDamageBonus",
                EffectProperty = "Duration",
                ChangeValue = 15,
                ChangeType = "Add",
                ExtractValue =
                {
                    ExtractAs = "TooltipDuration",
                    SkipAutoExtract = true
                }
            },
            {
                WeaponName = "AresShoutBuff",
                EffectName = "ShoutDamageBonus",
                EffectProperty = "Modifier",
                BaseValue = 1.20,
                SourceIsMultiplier = true,
                ChangeType = "Multiply",
                IdenticalMultiplier =
                {
                    Value = DuplicateMultiplier,
                },
                ExtractValue =
                {
                    ExtractAs = "TooltipBonus",
                    Format = "PercentDelta"
                }
            },
        },
        ExtractValues =
        {
            {
                ExtractAs = "TooltipWrathStocks",
                Format = "ExistingWrathStocks",
                SkipAutoExtract = true
            }
        }
    },```

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 11:25 PM

#

@naive laurel
Id = "OnWrathDamageBuffTrait"
DisplayName = "Billowing Strength"
Description = "After using {$Keywords.Wrath}, you deal more damage for {#BoldFormatGraft}{$TooltipData.TooltipDuration} Sec.{#PreviousFormat} \n {!Icons.Bullet}{#PropertyFormat}Bonus Damage: \Column 380 {#PreviousFormat}{$TooltipData.DisplayDelta1}"

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:26 PM

#

Yeah...the one we talked about is not, funnily

#

I mean, their way of naming things, can be pretty misleading

#

I think in early dev this might be ares' boon but switched to zeus

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 PM

#

They've changed a lot

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:29 PM

#

Hmm I'm not sure how much epic afterparty should heal u to

#

but if it's indeed 60% as the multiplier indicates...

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

#

It's 45% right now.

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

#

Its 45

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

#

Which is weird

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cuz the multiplier gives me 1.5*30%

#

nvm

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

#

Which is 45

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

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brain, what

#

I was reverse calculation from heroic, how dumb

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 PM

#

Hey, don't feel too bad, a week or so ago (time is an illusion) I claimed that Flurry Jab was awesome on Aspect of Hades.

#

It's Serrated Edge that's amazing.

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 PM

#

Also, a fun note

#

it gives me a

        {
            BaseValue = 0.3,
            ReducedByMetaupgradeValue = "HealingReductionShrineUpgrade",
            IdenticalMultiplier =
            {
                DiminishingReturnsMultiplier = 0.4,
                Value = DuplicateMultiplier,
            },```

#

which I donno how to interpret

#

It looks like lasting consequences but

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

Combo with the pact's lasting consequences

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

for what I know, lasting consequences reduces epic to 33% on 25%

#

which is the right number

#

but, this says it's *.4 or whatever once

#

So that's a interpretation I donno about

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Probably more to it than whats there

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 11:57 PM

#

K i'm done on the boon number digging....

#

some hermes' are a bit too complex to understand, so I skipped some

#

Should be all up-to-date now.

#

Oh noes....the duo boons

#

But I think I have already updated them all before the need of digging

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

#

did try and find poms and where pom scaling is encoded but could not find :c

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i feel like pom scaling is slightly higher on low rarity perks but that's just a feeling right now blobshrug

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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pom should be some other file, not the one I looked into

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 12:16 AM

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That blob shrug is cute

manic ermine Apr 18, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Pom scaling is separated from rarity

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Its always a multiplier on the normal rarity effect

#

Boons have pom scaling like 0.2 or 0.6 and each pom upgrade is that %of the initial normal boon, and ^x for successive poms with a floor

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

#

blobs are cute in general

#

ablobwob

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Boudly is a hard blob

#

Thats why he cute

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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blobthinkingcool

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 12:42 AM

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You tellin me im wrong?

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 12:53 AM

#

Anyways, pardon my @turbid needle ares only having 1 randomness-based boon makes me feel that it's forced into being there, cuz it's engulfing, which does not matter much even if it's linear from .2 to .5

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:13 AM

#

what do you guys usually take for 32 heat

#

I mean the heat choice

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Not stimulants you mean

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 2:18 AM

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32....get all the top ones except convenience fee and lasting consequences lvl 3 and 4

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then start from the bottom

#

I'd say getting 1 routine inspection is actually pretty nice experience since it makes u feel like playing the game from a newbie state again

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(and this is quoting someone, not my words)

#

2 dmg ctrl unless u go burst dmg build

#

this is a 40 i did
https://imgur.com/JcmwhYR

Imgur

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just remove 1 lvl from routine inspection, get the custom out, get a lvl out of benefits package, and get the last point off from hard labor or jury summons

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I like how you have the exact heat set up I do when I try 40 heats (although there isn't really a lot of room for changes). The one change I'll sometimes make (after getting wrecked by an OP benefits package combo) is take one of BP and spread it over approval process and lasting consequences

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I don't get how Battie is a fan favorite comp, I can't hit anything with it...is there a trick to sniping with Meg?

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I don't like it

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I am trying all the time but I can maybe hit 1 thing with it

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xD

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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You also can't use it for the furies or hades

#

so like...

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:10 AM

#

yea its pretty meh for my problems

#

going for skelly next i think

#

kinda sad i spent so much ambrosia on it before trying it

#

xD

#

will be nice for speed runs i guess

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if i learn how to use it

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:10 AM

#

I really should branch out from bouldy, but healing, damage, free iframes, gold... it has it all

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:10 AM

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hmm, sisyphus might be a thing too then

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:11 AM

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It even provides extra healing if you have the healing from darkness

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:11 AM

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I forgot to exchange Companion Shady for another one when going with -100% healing heat option

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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that looks just like my thing, shady

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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But I could make it in the end and that's what matters squirtyay

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

#

is the damage radius large?

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Not too large, sadly. And Bouldy misses a lot

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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can be used on papa though yes?

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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You will want to summon it more for the item drops

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 AM

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extra health and maybe dmg

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Yeah, Bouldy can be used in any encounter

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:13 AM

#

i'm so sad i went deep on battie, oh well

#

😄

#

will try and make it work in elysium at least

cunning urchin Apr 18, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I just call Battie when it's virtually impossible to not hit something on the screen.

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Like EM Hydra or some crowded chambers.

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

is zeus base-attack boon affects single target?

#

or it only bounces between?

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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I think it bounces

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

#

It bounces

#

And there’s also another boon of his, Storm Lightning, which increases the number of bounces

cunning urchin Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Lightning Strike + Epic Storm Lightning on the Rail clears every room in milliseconds.

stiff flume Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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zeus attack bounces but it also deals damage to single target if thats what you mean

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so you dont need 2 enemies for it to have an effect

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

Bouldy definitely takes some getting used to on knowing when to use it to hit trickier targets

#

Even if it misses though, there is still value to be had

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 AM

#

Summons Bouldy on still Theseus as he is Calling a god, still misses bouldy

#

Oh, Bouldy. Someday, maybe

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 AM

#

He's very attached to Zagreus.

#

Yeah, his aim needs work.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 5:17 AM

#

@lament coral I tried, u have to do 26 heat, but I have already beaten 26 technically before (25 then 32 then 33), so i think it's just locking 26

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 6:06 AM

#

ty @stiff flume

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 6:19 AM

#

Doing a 35 heat run with bow just praying for patroclus as I had only a dd from lucky tooth. No luck but I ended up destroying theseus and styx has been a piece of cake, only I have no dds... so depressing

rich cedar Apr 18, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

Hades us esy with bow

#

Easiest weapon to take No dmg from hades with

quartz crow Apr 18, 2020, 7:03 AM

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well i just ignored the keepsake boon and it showed up as the next one so maybe it consumes on pickup. you prob could see the cooldown timer go away or not

#

yah it's still there

#

it got consumed

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 7:05 AM

#

It stays until you take its boon

quartz crow Apr 18, 2020, 7:08 AM

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yah but people asked that the other day or so

#

just tried EM 1 hydra and it did nothing

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 7:33 AM

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EM doesn't boost boss by power

#

increasing the stage of the EM changes the latter boss

#

not each level give a different buff to all bosses

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

So, got a 23 heat hades spear win today, at least proved it's not THAT bad as i didn't even go for the optimal build possible

#

athena attack however, helped A TON

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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spears are great they just have more power in their attack than their special :c

#

also they're a ranged weapon, not a melee weapon

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

I'm not gonna argue with u on that, I still firmly believe Achilles aspect is best cuz it does not involve attacking

#

the self-stagger after spear attack is crippling

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 8:24 AM

#

I'm really trying out achilles a lot lately

#

The ability to just toss a spear away

#

run in, and then just rush back is awesome

#

I think it has a lot of potential with an ice wine build and a little luck

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 AM

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nah man, just pull out the true shot spam dusa

#

seriously tho, Imma try achilles blizz shot 1 day

#

gonna be glorious

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 8:28 AM

#

I did a chiron aspect bow 35 heat with demeter special, ares attack, ice wine cast and got relentless volley and chain shot but lost all my dds by elysiyum, right as my build came online. Took lucky tooth and managed to make it Hades but had no dds and lost

#

Oh and hermes +30% to special was pretty big

#

You can kill pretty fast from a safe distance, but the build was difficult until I had the right pieces

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Yeah, check my notes on wiki

#

It's -30% interval

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 8:30 AM

#

I like ice wine on achilles because it's pretty much guaranteed due to being able to cast through walls and the aoe really helps

#

Yeah you can shoot like 4 specials at a targeted enemy really quickly

#

before the target wears off

#

It says it works by decreasing weapon special charge time, which I take to mean the cool down between specials and/or the actual time to fully charge a special like charged skewer or Charged Volley. So would it decrease both in the case of charged volley?

#

I guess yeah, the time to fully charge special would be reduced, and then once released, the cooldown until another special is available would also be reduced

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 8:40 AM

#

the answer to any sort of delay in the game is to dash :v

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

#

Oh it also makes projectiles from special move faster

dense locust Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

#

It's funny when the common boon is better for you than the duo

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 10:56 AM

#

I like Artemis&Ares duo of homing bladerifts

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:04 AM

#

homing rifts
I require further elaboration

#

Because that sounds amazing

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 11:09 AM

#

it's their duo, causes blades to home in on enemies

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:09 AM

#

Yeah, just done checking the wiki

#

Seemingly moves faster too

#

I think i might qualify for it in my current run actually

#

Do duos stop working if you delete one of the requirements?

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 11:21 AM

#

Deja vu rift

#

Blade (d)rift

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:22 AM

#

“N-nani! Ares doriftu!” -Theseus, probably

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 11:23 AM

#

@neon fiber depends on the duo

#

obviously, if you remove your blade boons the blade duo won't be doing anything

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

No, no, i meant replacing artemis’ requirements

#

Not Ares’ blender of fun times

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 11:44 AM

#

no, since Artemis' boons don't have any effect on the duo

#

I mean yes, you can remove Artemis' boons after getting the duo

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 1:55 PM

#

gotta love dealing over 1k non-crit non-cast in the enemy backstab damage in just the first area lol

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 1:56 PM

#

huh

#

guess i've been underestimating artemis' raw damage juice

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 2:03 PM

#

I'm kinda suffering now in lower heat cuz the 'timer' option is basically 2 free heats, but also makes it less enjoyable to me cuz I have to rush between fights. I kinda wish it was paused between fights, like it does on certain rooms and on the dialogues/choices.

I get that people like speed-running, I just don't, and I feel a bit punished for it cuz I have to make fights harder to compensate. I like the explore each room, break urns and absorb the atmosphere...sure I'm only 70 runs in and not 1k, but still.

Not a big issue in lower heats, but it will basically force me into speed-runs at a certain point. Anyone else feels the same?

#

Like, 9 minutes is really easy even for a new player I feel, so not a challenge just a constraint. 7 minutes might force you into certain choices but if people can complete the whole game in 7mins (proper speed run) and 20min is considered reasonable speed-run, I don't see why 5 heats go for 7min per 'act'.

queen relic Apr 18, 2020, 2:31 PM

#

Hey quick question
The bow's special only shoots three arrows but lingers a lot on the animation

#

Is that normal?

#

It looks like it should be shooting more but is not

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:32 PM

#

only three? are you using chiron's aspect?

queen relic Apr 18, 2020, 2:32 PM

#

ah yes

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

#

chiron's aspect makes your special fire less arrows but also makes them home at the enemy if you used a regular attack on it beforehand

#

you'll be able to tell which enemy because they'll have a gilded target on it

#

the buff doesn't last forever but it's pretty easy to apply again

queen relic Apr 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

#

aaaah

#

I see

#

Thanks

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

#

np

queen relic Apr 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

#

I was very confused

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:34 PM

#

always read what the aspect does by hovering on it and then try it on skelly

#

every aspect changes how the weapon works in one way or another so target practice is something you'll want to do if it's your first time with it

queen relic Apr 18, 2020, 2:34 PM

#

yes yes i know

#

The animation lingering threw me off

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:46 PM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1FYa-7dmQ&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

HoldMyGame

Meg Getting Destroyed

▶ Play video

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 2:46 PM

#

@flat brook you can press B on the keyboard to see your current room number, in the top right

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:47 PM

#

https://imgur.com/kWLgezS

Imgur

#

Double legendary run

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:48 PM

#

plus a double duo

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:48 PM

#

though could've saved more seconds if I wasn't that much into fishing

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:49 PM

#

you really went ham on dionysus didn't you

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:51 PM

#

my boy got me 3 boons in Tartarus

#

then I picked his cup in Elysium

#

the duo, I actually got from a demeter in Asphodel and a Zeus in Elysium

#

the cloud was so much DPS

#

the only problem is Hades doesn't stand in there

#

dusa

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:53 PM

#

yeah

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:54 PM

#

I could've got triple duo

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:54 PM

#

at least it's not as bad as Asterius

#

who is constantly charging across the place

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:54 PM

#

but it was between splitting bolt and Cold Fusion

#

asterius is easy to manipulate tbh

#

just dash around him in circle

#

he will just follow you

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:54 PM

#

at least Theseus has the decency to stand around for a few secs while he's doing his shenanigans

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:54 PM

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but Hades has several dash and thrust

#

the chariot tho

#

dusa

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:55 PM

#

aye but problem is, asterius also loves leaping across the area like he was one third frog, one third bull, one third human

#

so stuff that generally requires him to stay still or around an area doesn't work that well with him

#

at least theseus has some wind-up with his moves

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

#

and

#

in contrary asterius has long recovery

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

#

https://imgur.com/a/Iqsxglz

Imgur

Damage

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

#

I often wait until he does his leap attack

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and stand next to theseus

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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i had about 300%+ increased damage

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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then lit both of them up

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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actually 500%+

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Jeez

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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look at all these arthur memes

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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if it's not crit arthur I am not in

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bouldy

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhaaEzlrSI&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

HoldMyGame

Discipline Done Right

▶ Play video

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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5k crit gang

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Ill invesnt two thousand charons for the rest of terenity

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Hades gets the belt..... Daddy Zaggy pulls out an even bigger one

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25:56, fastest run by miles lol

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:03 PM

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My fastest is 14m

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With Poseidon aspect

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17 heat iirc

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:04 PM

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14:17 with Eris.

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20 Heat.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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https://imgur.com/D6vXyfw

Imgur

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14:07 with Poseidon

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Athena-Zeus duo cast build

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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is skelly's personal keepsake good?

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the second one i mean

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I clearly have a preference

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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also, why is it i can gift him even more ambrosia?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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you mean the one where he summons as a bait

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Reasons.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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that one is pretty good

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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The summon is very popular in very high Heat (32+) runs.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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but that's basically dialouge unlock reasons

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you don't get any game power up for doing so

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just story progression

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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ah ok

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so just upgrade the summon, then?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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yeah

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idk why people like Mort

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Than burst is too slow

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and Meg deal 1k less but what mobs don't die from it

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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when do you typically use summons?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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when I want to fast clear a sub boss room

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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this one says once per escape attempt per upgrade

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Usually on the bosses.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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or on bosses

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since Battie can't be used against hades or furies

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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You have to put quite a bit of Ambrosia into them to get five uses, but eventually you get 5 per run.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I just drop it on sub bosses

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and to kill Hydra's last stock

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and sometimes on Theseus and Asterius too

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but most of the time I do it to save time on annoying subboss in Styx

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like the giant rat with bazillion HP

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or

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the blasted tiny vermin

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I hate the tiny vermin

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but for skelly I guess when you want the boss to stand still

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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how is the bow's third aspect?

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Hera? Pretty reliant on getting a good Cast.

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If you can swing Trippy Shot and all of its Duos you'll walk through 20 Heat.

restive widget Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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when you guys go for "cast builds", what do you do specifically? Besides trying to directs poms to your cast etc.

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assumption is that you already have the Tier 1 cast you wanted

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Prioritize Artemis.

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She has several boons (including her Legendary, +3 Bloodstones) that buff Casts.

restive widget Apr 18, 2020, 3:18 PM

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yeah, I have true cast and her keepsake atm

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true shot*

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what can I do besides the keepsake and using poms on it?

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I would also prioritize Hermes and Chaos, who both also have very powerful universal Cast buffs.

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Not much else.

restive widget Apr 18, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Alright, thanks man

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I have the epic rapid cast, too

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so those things made me wanna go down the cast route

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:19 PM

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You're kinda already halfway there, yeah.

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:19 PM

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haha i rerolled a room into a hammer upgrade

restive widget Apr 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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so crossing my fingers for the Fully Loaded one (IIRC)

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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tbh if you wanna do cast build

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you should think ahead what kinda cast you want

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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They already have True Shot.

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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because back then Artemis cast is GOAT

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yeah I mean for the future run

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but now

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Duo boon casts are great

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at first I thought Lightning Phalanx was wack

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but now that I see it bounces back and forth between Theseus and Asterios killing them both in seconds

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I've opened my eyes

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residentzag

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Blizzard Cast feels like the worst to use to me out of the bunch

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Not because it lacks damage

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But unless you're running Stygian Soul

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The damn thing just went out of bound with no hope to collect it

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Hunting Blades is the best one aside from Phalanx Shot imo

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:23 PM

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hunting blades?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Blade Rift duo

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if you have Blade Rift cast from Ares

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and some boon from Artemis

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there's a chance if you pick up an Artemis or Ares one you get Hunting Blades

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which basically make your Blade Rift becomes homing shot

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it will chase after enemies

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:26 PM

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https://streamable.com/flgp6s

Streamable

Blade Rift - Streamable

▶ Play video

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here

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the full power in action

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you will see the HP bar melts

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you see that white line? instantly depletes his HP in mere seconds

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:28 PM

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jesus lol

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i wonder how many 10s of thousands of hp Hades has

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 3:32 PM

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my run starts to not be over 18 minutes anymore

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even when I don't try to speed run

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thanks tight deadline

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 3:49 PM

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i got hunting blades

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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why does Dusa have an ||arrow in her entry?||

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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why not

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she also gives you a companion

unkempt pagoda Apr 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@latent junco that's her ||romantic route||

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I just tanked Hades NP, was only heat 3 but considering he usually kills me while I'm dodging a lot...god damn Athena + cluster bomb railgun

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Wanted to attach an image of the build but no can do, any clue why?

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literally just stood on him and spammed cluster with weak

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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You can link the image in imgur or something

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Right, used to normal discord

languid storm Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Hey, does hades kick you out of a run if you pause and walk away?

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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No

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Pause and be afk all you want with no worries

languid storm Apr 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I just had an elysium run end that I’d paused because the kiddo woke up

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 5:12 PM

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That’s weird. So, when you returned, was the pause screen still up?

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Maybe someone else played while you were gone 👀

languid storm Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Pause screen wasn’t up I was back at the spawn

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 5:15 PM

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sounds like you were killed while away

languid storm Apr 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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That’s incredibly frustrating. The fact that I can’t close the app like in dead cells or ftl etc and come back to a run is irritating

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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You can.

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Just not in the middle of combat.

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If the pause screen says "Quit" you can exit out and save progress, if it says "Give Up" you'll lose it.

languid storm Apr 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I mean sure, but I can exit dead cells in the middle of combat and it recalls my place on the floor as well as mobs

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I mean.. one chamber takes like 45 seconds to finish

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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you can just pause the game and leave it paused

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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The issue is that the game was unpaused at some point, Zeppman.

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It was left paused.

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well, it certainly doesn't unpause on its own

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I should know, I paused, alt tabbed, and forgot about it for 5 hours

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Yes but there are other members of the household. It makes sense to want to be able to close the game entirely

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And you can, just not in the middle of combat

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Hades is just...weird that way

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if you've just entered the room and haven't been punched, you can quit and start from the same room again

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if you punched someone or someone's pulverizing you, you can't quit

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I guess it’s to avoid shameless reloading if a chamber isn’t going well thanthink

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 5:37 PM

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you can still do it

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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My greed got the better of me again

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Took god's trial in elysium

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Made Athena angry

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She starts shielding the heads so they can respawn

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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lmao

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Arrived at Theseus with 30s on the clock

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dusa

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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but did you manage to do it though

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Yeah

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Barely

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It was 4s left or sth

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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how do you beat them in 26 seconds?

olive badge Apr 18, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Very broken Athena cast build and a well timed Battie

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Athena cast basically deals damage in an AoE

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And there's a duo with Zeus that causes it to bounce

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If there're 2 targets they will bounce like 5 or 6 times between them

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And since the burst itself happens on impact and is an AoE

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Each cast hit them 6 times or sth

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Which almost immediately trigger their 50% phase

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Then I wait Asterios to close in on me

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Drop battie

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Got them both in the blast

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residentzag

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Never anger Athena in Elysium

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 6:33 PM

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actuallyim not sure if ive ever seen angery artemis

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Angry Artemis is not too bad

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Her bark is worse than her bite

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 6:36 PM

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yeah, she's the easiest

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imagine zeus but less targets

lethal crane Apr 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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How do you shoot battie proper?! I can't hit anything with that random shot...is there a method to her pattern?

pearl willow Apr 18, 2020, 7:49 PM

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The triple dash attack spear upgrade is strong but man that dash reduction hurts. Felt like I couldn't get out of the way of anything despite it being 'only' -20%.

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@covert tide Never get involved in a boon war in Elysium, when Athena's favor is on the line!

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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How in the world do you beat alecto efficiently with the fists!?

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I'm always taking crazy amounts of damage

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Dash strikes/specials, I suspect.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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You really wanna spend a dash on that? : /

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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That’s two princess bride references in hades discord today

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:25 PM

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How does the rage mechanic work, anyway? She charges it when she spams projectile out in all directions? And you interrupt her with damage?

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Crazy hard with the low range of the fists

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Athena attack/dash help with that

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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In my experience her projectiles don't aim at you like Megaera's do, so there are a few angles which give you easier access to damage.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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ah so maybe I should learn some specific angles where I'm more safe

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Should mention I'm playing with the full sis package and +40% speed

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I think she shoots in 6 directions

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so you could sorta squeeze between the lines

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I don’t try to interrupt her, I wait until the blades are going and I can see their trajectory and then I go for the throat

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Yes, it's hexagonal which means there's theoretically a corresponding number of spaces to sneak in and bludgeon

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 8:28 PM

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At that point she’s at 25% so it shouldn’t take much time to finish her off

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Also she's really easy to hit when yelling and chasing you around with that aoe attack.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:28 PM

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But you take so much damage if you focus on dishing it out rather than dodging 😦

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Wait what was that 25% thing?

tepid ridge Apr 18, 2020, 8:29 PM

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When Alecto is at 25% health she permarages I believe, so you can't interrupt her. It's just how the las phase works

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ah ok

proper jolt Apr 18, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I think a good change to Demeter's fist is too make it only take 10 hits instead of 12

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Yeah the 2.40 full combos is a bit of an odd number lol

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I just came back from a break of Hades, where I left before the Nyx update

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:31 PM

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wait, you wanna buff Demeter?

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:31 PM

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What's the general take on the fists? To me they like they deal a decent amount of damage but it's not even close to outweighing the danger of the low range

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Demeter fist is busted

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you put Arty special on it and vaporize people left and right

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Zag and Talos are whatever

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:33 PM

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I'm having major problems beating the game on 2xovertime and upgraded bosses

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with the fists that is

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:33 PM

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try Athena attack/dash

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:33 PM

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The other weapons I've gone over 20 Heat with. Albeit before I took a break though

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:33 PM

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deflect helps a lot since you're point blank most of the time

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aim for long fist and kick

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kick is key with Dem fist

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Is the range longer than uppercut?

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 PM

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range of what?

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 PM

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The kick

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 PM

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it propels you towards enemies, after which you perform the special

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:35 PM

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oh ok

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:35 PM

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it's also a 25% base damage increase

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 8:35 PM

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I just tried it in the air a few time before getting absolutely destroyed by Alecto and coming here for advice

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after losing all 3 DDs and being on 23 life post-fight

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😬

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I'm def having a harder time against her than LB lol, since she's so early

proper jolt Apr 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Two of the spear aspects suck and that's Hades and Zag

lament coral Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 PM

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nah, Zag is 2nd best spear aspect

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:28 PM

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https://youtu.be/3v1fGhh2Eng kinda old by now but neet

YouTube

Haelian

ZERO DAMAGE TAKEN RUN COMPLETE! /Hades Nighty Night Update/

I stream on twitch some times, come say hi http://www.twitch.tv/haelian/.

I have my own discord finally! Come join us for a stream schedule or other information about Hades and speedrunning. https://discord.gg/j7Fa2Mv

▶ Play video

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also shows why I think the bow is decent, although it is incredibly hard to consistently dodge and keep up powershots like that

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harder than just spamming left click and Q with the shield :p

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:34 PM

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that's scary I had 38% or something at most

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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38%?

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@ocean mango also on the fists the range is decent with the special actually, and long fist feels like it triples attack range lol

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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+damage

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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oh

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that's normal for artemis

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I mean butterfly

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 PM

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oh

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 PM

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50% is crazy

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 PM

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they're taking the butterfly on this because, well, no hit run

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so going to complete it on every encounter or they restart :v

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I get it yeah

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I mean It's really hard and I respect that

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Most butterfly ive ever managed was 22

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Still a keepsake i love cause i like than, butterflies, and panicking

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 PM

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i like hermes more

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because SPEED

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but i've never tried either of those t hings

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 PM

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same, Arte

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I want him to tell I did a great job when I have a butterfly for a whole run but he doesnt talk to me shadegrief

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 PM

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also mixed on damage boosts cause like... damage scaling

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damage boosts feel bad when you're not using artemis 😒

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 9:43 PM

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22 ticks or 22%?

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 9:43 PM

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22%

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 PM

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"yes 22% that's great with my +200% damage boosts and only like... a 7% damage boost overall" :x

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Wait you can't swear in here!?

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 PM

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it's the entire server

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Wow

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That's the most American thing in the world

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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it is in the rules

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"most American thing" lol

slim inlet Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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why would you swear in official supergiants :(((((

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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But you see you are missing the detail of

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I like butterflies

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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fair

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I was never efficient in this game to begin with yeehaw

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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why would you not swear in official supergiants

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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urge to kill feels meh because of that too though like... it's decent for casts because cast bonuses are rare?

weak rivet Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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H E C K

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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yeah, urge to kill is funky

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i like black iron more

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ares' cast takes a bit more to get used to but my god does it feel good to use it once it clicks

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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and it's decent if ares wants to force a boon on you?

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I have never seen an automatic profanity filter in my native tongue ever

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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black iron? yeah, it makes all the nyooom blades you spawn with everything bigger

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up to including dash and ares' call

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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There's a Daedalus upgrade for the shield that I've never gotten

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And I've cleared up to 20 heat with it

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Charged Throw

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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What one?

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Is it bugged or something?

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Are you using Zeus shield?

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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The many-shield-throw one

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May be zeus

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:51 PM

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No, that's Chaos, uh...

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:51 PM

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hm

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I may not have switched aspect since heat 0 or something

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Maybe it still thinks I've got it on Chaos or something

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It may just be bad luck?Okay yeah, you can't get that with anythnig but the Zag shield.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Oh

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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So do a few runs with that and see if it pops up.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Aight

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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it's inherently incompatible with Zeus and would PROBABLY be bonkers, balance wise, on Chaos.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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The plight of having an extremely strong aspect lol

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How do you learn to play the lyre btw?

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Pressing that play button a LOT.

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Making that thing in the bedroom go "boiinngg"?

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There's no indication it's making any progress lol

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 9:54 PM

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It takes a very long time.

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Just mash it like, ten or twenty times between runs

ocean mango Apr 18, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Haha what a silly "mechanic"

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Love Zag's annoyed remarks as well

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:01 PM

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It's for the memes

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I once spent 10 mins around it to smash e

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and it is based on how many times it's played, not how many runs u did while having completed it

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cuz I already completed it on that 10 min mash run, but not on the one I just casually do it once in a while

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:07 PM

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197 doom on attack with athena duo

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i need a stronger s urprise tool

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also i really should remember that the fourth sword aspect disables traps inside and near the aura

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 10:10 PM

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does athena/ares nullify the effects of Impending Doom?

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:11 PM

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level 5 heroic ares attack

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i need MORE

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 10:12 PM

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i'm trying to imagine a high level ares attack and an athena dash comboing with their duo

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because everything that can deflect instantly triggers doom, right?

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:13 PM

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yes

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i have that right now

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208 damage on doom, +65% doom damage

spare zealot Apr 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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This is a dumb legendary
https://i.imgur.com/3LN2SPT.png

Imgur

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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it is actually the best legendary in the game

covert tide Apr 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Athena dash and Athena/ares duo is one of the situations where I don’t mind doom on fist attack

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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f i s h

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Best resource farming tool in the game for anything besides darkness, it's pretty nifty

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 10:24 PM

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yeah, it's better at giving you gems than the gem rooms themselves

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:25 PM

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"hmmm slowest hitting aspect/weapon in the game what should I get"

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"oh I know, +2 health a hit with -60% max health"

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 10:26 PM

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cerberus collar time

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:26 PM

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it works on all max health including from cerberus colar

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still have 173 health in final boss tho

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 10:29 PM

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i just caught a new fish

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apparently it is a legendary tier fish

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stonewhal

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:33 PM

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we need endgame artifact sink dusa Huge catch can be busted with it

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 10:33 PM

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a what?

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:33 PM

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||After the true ending, ofc||

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endgame artifact sink:

basically, when u progress into late game, a place to infinitely spend your artifact (from gems to ambrosia,titan blood) in

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 10:35 PM

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artifact?

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you mean keepsake? weapon? what?

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nothing is named artifact

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:35 PM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Artifacts

Hades Wiki

Artifacts

Artifacts are rewards for winning Underworld Encounters which either benefit Zagreus 's current escape attempt or can be spent to obtain permanent benefits on future attempts.

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:35 PM

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they said after artifact what they meant by it

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 10:36 PM

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so what would be the point of it?

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we have a shop

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:36 PM

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we have a limit about how much we can spend on save-specific currencies

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:36 PM

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he said that too

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because in late endgame, you have everything purchased

latent junco Apr 18, 2020, 10:37 PM

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again

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the point being?

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 10:37 PM

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no other motivation to play on a maxed save except for messing around?

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 10:37 PM

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....to be able to buy something with said stuff that's consumable.

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so there's a point to collecting them.

fallow niche Apr 18, 2020, 10:59 PM

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@turbid needle Sub-6 on 32 heat soon

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:07 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/SrDtLss.jpg

Imgur

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This went hard

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So many more boons that made it better too

earnest ravine Apr 18, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Oh JEEZ

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:08 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/X3HWyY5.png

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Got just about everything I could've wanted for this build lmao

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:09 PM

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how do you even get that many boons

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dusa

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 11:10 PM

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> chaos egg for two whole areas

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> no chaos gate

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kill me

unkempt pagoda Apr 18, 2020, 11:10 PM

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that's why i only get egg if i see ixion in the pre-biome well

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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are you ready to switch the egg out and start getting chaos gates?

gray lintel Apr 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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i'd be surprised if they show up in styx ngl

neon fiber Apr 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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i think i saw one once

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I just got really lucky, saw 3 pos in tartarus and another 3 in elysium

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Then 2 more in styx

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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@torpid turret I'd trade urge to kill or whatev some excessive boons for a debuff on attack/cast

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but again, I think u might not have a choice on that

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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?

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Oh i mean, there are 3-4 boons I'd perfer myself, to have picked a doom on attack, or a weak from attack

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Ah

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I wasn't using my attack

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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u have chaoes aspect...u are using attack all the time bruh dusa

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rush is attack

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Nah not really, plus I had 30% attack speed so its just a quick bull rush into more specials, it'd most likely be less dps if I was focusing on landing bull rushes

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@turbid needle Sub-6 on 32 heat soon
@fallow niche Disgusting.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Ahh I get u

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I usually bullrush across enemies then special

fallow niche Apr 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Lmaooo

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touch2much is a god

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He has the drive and the skill

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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so a doom/weak on attack is kinda perfect

fallow niche Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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He's crushing the WR every day and he's always been #1

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idk why he does it 😂

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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@fallow niche thrill

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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~~he touches his keyboard/controller too much~~

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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lategame is either about record smashing or messing around

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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My preferred AoChaos setup is Curse of Agony, Drunken Flourish, and Passion Dash.

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Kane I can ask you the same about routing lmao

fallow niche Apr 18, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I have been really busy recently so I've only routed a little bit

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Still working on the faster route by myself pretty much

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I'll release it once its at Elysium

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*end of elysium

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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My preferred AoChaos setup is Curse of Agony, Drunken Flourish, and Passion Dash.
@turbid needle

Not perfectly mine, but indeed very powerful.

I'd recommend a crush shot tho, it works wonders and I've beentaking it a lot in melee weapons

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I've used Crush Shot.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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anything that only requires 1 hit of status application on bullrush is perfect imo

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:31 PM

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It's definitely Baby's First Low Tolerance and it even gels with Privileged Status, but I found damage gets higher with Doom considering it Poms better than Heartbreak Strike.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Drunken florish is slightly worse in room fights but way better than doom in matter of boss fights imo

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and....it depends on necessity imo

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bullrush has decent base dmg so a hearbreak is ok

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Going for a max hp run now

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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700 or bust

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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You're on

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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It's definitely Baby's First Low Tolerance and it even gels with Privileged Status, but I found damage gets higher with Doom considering it Poms better than Heartbreak Strike.
@turbid needle
This depends on if u need some defensiveness, personally I play safer instead of glass-shield, even when shield can block most dmg

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Bruh, you're playing the shield.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:35 PM

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yeah, but u know, I want my all 3 original dd on winning on 32 heat dusa

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I just panic a bit too much on losing 1 dd

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seriously tho, i just want to maximize my win chance most straightforward

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plus I get hit a lot due to potential bad base shield bounce

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sometimes u get f'd by the shield bounce and cannot channel rush

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cuz it does not return to u until last sec dusa

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yep, peach is here to sing my terrible history

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Speaking of AoChaos, it's the 1st time I pick Thunder Flourish with it

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Hallo!

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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If you're not running the timer on 32 Heat Heartbreak Strike is valid.

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It's even valid with it, but Doom really impressed me.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Ahh...timer

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Hey, i liked the doom dmg ok :p

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I got the 32 statue for effectively 27 Heat.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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oh u flipping on 7min

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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It's why I added max Benefits Package to my Heat set-up.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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jesus

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I've only done 7 min once (equivilantly), and that's on a very good setup

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I was on....19 heat? and someone timed my clear on every biome

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slowest is 6:30

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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You 2 are scary, you know that? shadeembarassed

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I also went plume

winter birch Apr 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Hey what are you talking about?

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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~~wait until I make my 1000 Escape Attempts post~~

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I go plume to meme, but ending up with a 19 min run

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Feeding on my dread~

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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The thing I hate about TD is that, I might be in a bad health place so I need to grind styx to fish dd

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but I cannot, cuz clearing all 5 tunnels usually means td triggering during hades

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elysium is, 2bh, not as much a problem as this

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on speaking about elysium TD, take the true shot just in fing case there's elite greatshields

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:42 PM

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I've died to Hades from having a weak build, but I've never hit the timer in Styx.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:42 PM

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I have

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Elysium, on the other hand, hoooooooooooo boy.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:42 PM

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that game I was huge dmging as nemesis

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but i forgot i have a timer

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so I died to hades

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i literally can face tank hades cuz i have cursed strike and 3 sources of dmg reduction

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well...technically died to than

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THANks for that

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I like it when Soledad goes with Tight Deadline and he knows it squirtheh

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:44 PM

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TD 9 is fine for me, TD 7, ugh

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I want every one of my runs to be max winning chance, so TD diminishes that cuz low dmg build IS death

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I have win runs with 39 mins on 20+ heat, and TD will def kill that

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that run was such low dmg, but I manage to have 2 original dd left after hades

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I never pick Tight Deadline because I hate timers. Fin squirtnya

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:46 PM

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timers are fun

naive tusk Apr 18, 2020, 11:46 PM

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For you 😛