#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 477

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:32 AM

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cause I tried both, they are both my favorite keepsakes. They reinforces way different playstyle

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Oh ik, but I mean is It's Not very necessary to get more dodge when alrrady having some resources of It

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It's better to get 1 source of good dodge than 2 of minors

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:33 AM

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This is why this game is dang good. There are many different ways of playing

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:33 AM

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and like I said, the true benefit of the Plume isn't the dodge

prime berry Apr 17, 2020, 10:33 AM

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it is a basic thing in action rpg games to cap mitigation such has damage reduction, dodge, block or whatever, usually by making things multiplicative and not additive to ensure the player can never avoid all damage. else it would be literally game breaking / OP + ruins your design/balance space as a dev

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:33 AM

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it's basically getting 2 free Hermes boons

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just from clearing encounters fast

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:33 AM

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I never take move speed Hermes anyways

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I either dash or I attack

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:34 AM

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I prefer using keepsakes to reduce the rng the game is forcing upon me most runs, but others prefer trying to buff themselves up for the long run

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:34 AM

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then that's a you problem, I take it if I don't see a drift dash or greatest reflexes

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:34 AM

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The only move speed boon ill take is the one that gives 100% after dash

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and thats a last resort

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Atk/special speed>>Move speed

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:35 AM

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why reduce RNG when that's the core basis of roguelikes xD

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:35 AM

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I suppose Ill take an epic for 40% if i must

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Because it leads to consistently clearing a run

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:35 AM

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you take what you are dealt and succeed regardless

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yea, my 20 streak is totally just RNG carried all the way every time

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a fluke 20 times in a row

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on 15+ heat on w.e weapon that happens to get Dark Thrist

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:36 AM

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I mean, streaks don't mean much considering you can just do 0 heats

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:36 AM

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yea, that isn't an option on Hell Mode, love

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Im on a 27 streak from darkness farming

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Okay sure

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:37 AM

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unless I'm missing something and I actually am allowed to run below bounty

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 10:37 AM

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idk what your point is

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:38 AM

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my point is why do you need to fix RNG and waste a keepsake slot when you can take something immediately beneficial

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:38 AM

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you can't go below your current max on Hell

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I honestly never tried to xD

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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and it caps at 25, so 25 heat is the only option for farming

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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so I didn't even know that

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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since you can replay 25 and everything above

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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that's opportunity cost of picking a god's keepsake over a direct boost keepsake

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guess at that point all I'll do is spam Spear

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 10:42 AM

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ok nows the time

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"what's the worst that could happen" -zag with max heat

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nothing

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it is the worst

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:44 AM

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I think you can push like idk 40 heat

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and play like a massive coward

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with Butterfly and 75% healing, GY spear

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 10:45 AM

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got to room 2 and died

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it was like 500 numbskull elites

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that teleport and go invisible

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:45 AM

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that's RNG and that's where GY comes in

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elites don't go invis no?

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 10:46 AM

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maybe when they teleport

glossy plaza Apr 17, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I don't remember they have a buff that make them invis

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they have like ghosts spawn

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which are one of the worst one

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cause it hurts all the same but has 2 bar of hp and basically just 2 hits to kill

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 10:47 AM

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I a chicken now?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700658689102708736/unknown.png

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i think egg is prob good if you want chaos since you can't heal

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unless you can

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maybe one point in each? it's lvl 2 arthur btw
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700659819123572787/unknown.png

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im getting 3 furies...

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thank you skelly

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Couldn't even beat 57 heat with crystal beam? pshhh

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(sarcasm)

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700664249592184932/unknown.png

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only 1 rip though but first try

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ive only been doing heat im on except 5 to see what the room was

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or for trying out things but never tried them all yet till now

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do i have permission to use god mode again?

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 11:11 AM

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no

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~~god mode is cheating~~

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:12 AM

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someone said aurther is too slow

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have you seen the range?

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arthur is badass

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yah arthur doesn't seem phentic no wonder i can't spell it

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skelly is awesome

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:15 AM

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God mode is a great way to ease yourself into the game as well as unlock some buffs, but eventually you'll want to take off the handicap in order to get better at the game without the crutch

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 11:16 AM

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I finally did it! After losing two 32 heat runs to hades second phase, I beat 32 heat!

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https://i.imgur.com/HJExYvJ.png

Imgur

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I had given up hope on getting the duo, but the last chance dio boon from styx gave it to me.
Also had 42% increased max life gains from aphrodite right from the start, but had to sell it to underworld customs after elysium

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:18 AM

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nice

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:18 AM

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i think I've eased enough to turn it off except for farming. you see farming is ment to be easy. grinding is not

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:18 AM

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@rugged estuary congrats on the statue!

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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that's the last statue?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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aye

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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first one is 8

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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8/16/32

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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dang was gonna divide

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next one from ongoing renovations is 40

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^ joke

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:21 AM

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who knows, if they'll keep adding modifiers...

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:22 AM

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you know skull earing is prob that sauce from bastion

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i want to play bastion again...

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that brown thing where you are low on hp you do crits or something

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Adding something that unlocks after a 40 heat is honestly enough motivation for me

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I find 32 to already be rather unpleasant with some weapons

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40 would be atrocious

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:24 AM

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It is atrocious

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I've found 35 heat to be about the limit where I can still have fun

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:25 AM

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if every aspect was as good as GY and Chaos, maybe

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:25 AM

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40 heat results in me dying, swapping 1 heat for another, dying, repeat

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I've made it to styx a couple times but usually with half hp and maybe 1 dd

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:26 AM

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yeah, that doesn't sound fun

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Your success starts heavily relying on rng at 40 heat

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Yeah, my fun limit is about 30. 32 was already pushing it because I can't handle tight deadline or forced overtime.

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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is stubborn ok?

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Its bad

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Glad I got the 32 behind me, and I really hope they won't add incentives for more.

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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I don't like it

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you don't die every room

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so the effect is worthless

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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if your hp is real low you can just kill yourself

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Its okay for progressing towards hades, but when you fight hades, you want more than 1 dd

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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but when you do get in a tight spot, you only have 1 DD and then 30% HP

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compared to 3 DDs, each one restoring 50%

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plus, SD renders Athena's boon refills worthless

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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yah but those DD's are useless

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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The only time I see stubborn being okay is when you have GY, or maybe a lifestealing hammer.
But yeah, 30% feels too low.

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Yeah exactly, it ultimately ends up being a huge detriment

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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they gotta buff the stubborn or make some changes

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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how are those DDs useless? You can die 3 times in a room, against a boss.

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then refill from wells, Athena, or Patty

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with SD, you die twice in a room, you stay dead

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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so you are saying save your gold on only DD items

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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they aren't that expensive

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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you don't have 200 g on you?

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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200g at base

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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and patroclus refills all dds for free if you're lucky enough to find them

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athena is also a free dd

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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even 360 is nothing

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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so when you get a DD from chaos with stubborn on does it refill both each stage if you deplete both

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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you gotta diversify your bonds

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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i just need to max out skelly

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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I believe it does but i've never tried it. Even so, that won't happen very often

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

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How do you guys feels about the healing mirror perk - 3 per room vs 80% of darkness? I've grown to kind of like the darkness perk IF I am not hunting bounties, because if bosses drop darkness it tops me up nicely for the next area.

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I dunno what happens if you get Chaos' DD but the odds of that are so infinismall, it's not worth considering

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here's how it is with the heal talent

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

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i have gotten it prob

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

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if you wanna heal from Tartarus to Elysium, take 80%

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you can fully heal off a single darkness trove, not to mention darkness from wells and shops and rooms

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if you wanna heal in Styx, take Cthonic Vitality

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cause there's no darkness in Styx

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well, outside of wells, but that's not reliable

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

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3hp...

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why bother

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

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that's per room

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

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There is another chaos legendary that adds a stubborn defiance

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

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wanna count how many rooms you pass in Styx?

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

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someone posted a pic of getting it while they had the regular defiance

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probably a bug

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

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no

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

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but insanely strong

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

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try not getting hit in styx

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

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those heals are not even worth 1 hit from a boss lol

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id rather have darkness healing honestly

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:36 AM

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you get spawnkilled

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:36 AM

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It adds up for lower hp builds and is helpful if you are only get damaged a little bit between rooms

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but both mirror traits have their strengths for sure

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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stubborn is amazing in styx

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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btw i really like the new dash and i realised the second dash isnt even that important

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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really? It's the opposite for me

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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especially if you get hermes dashes it doesnt even matter

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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2 dashes for bosses

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and yah that

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I tried 1 dash for a few runs and it was awful

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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idk i got used to it somehow

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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i havn't

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anyways i started with DD

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*SD

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then moved to DD and didn't go through as much prob from charging up GM

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

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what happens when you get skelly with SD?

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does it refill skelly slot aswell?

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

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no

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skelly always goes at the bottom

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:40 AM

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SD only refills its own slot

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:40 AM

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if you stack enough hp you can purposely kill yourself so that you heal when you reach the next room

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:40 AM

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The thing is, if you don't get any more dashes, it makes everything from elysium onward painful

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Hydra is unpleasant enough with 1 dash already

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:40 AM

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True

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I just don't like doing runs that depend on certain boons to work

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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im doing better at hydra with 1 dash lol

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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well more power to you

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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they prob mean EM

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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i think bcs i keep ending at lava when i have 2

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Panic dashing

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

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with this i dont do that and i also get %50 dodge so

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:42 AM

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default hydra i just beat the bleep out of each head and prioritize greens and reds

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:42 AM

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No doubt if you get extra dashes that the alt dash is very strong

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You can't run from hellwheels with one dash though

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:43 AM

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i thought EM meg wasn't supposed to have 2 supports at one rank

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:43 AM

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It varies from 2 - 3 furies

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:43 AM

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had healing hammer

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:43 AM

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one rank in EM just means the first boss is upgraded

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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what does 2 mean

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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2 points has no affect on the first boss, just means the second boss is upgraded

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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ah

stiff flume Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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wait until you see the third boss upgrades pp2

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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there is no 3rd if there's 2 though...

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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2nd one is the worst just bcs of lava everywhere lol if you have the trap damage on

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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hades gets affected right?

stiff flume Apr 17, 2020, 11:44 AM

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no

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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no

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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@quartz crow EM 1 means you get better furies, and the amount of extra in that fight is purely random: could be 1 extra, could be both.

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Some builds can deal with the 3rd boss better than the second and vise-versa

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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but it's never alone

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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how come hades doesn't get buffed...

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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underworld renovations, duh

stiff flume Apr 17, 2020, 11:45 AM

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well it would be easy to explain lore-wise

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he doesnt get affected by what you choose etc, its his pact

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but probably just not patched in yet

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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no no, they'll be adding EM4 for Hades

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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For the same reason the game isn't fully released yet

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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honestly the upgraded asterius thesus fight isnt even that bad..Only thing is the astreius spin move but that not too hard to avoid.Other than that i can say its easier than default

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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sounds like there will be more areas

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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and boi, it won't be pretty

stiff flume Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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i find upgrades astreius fight easier than normal one 🤷‍♂️

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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The leap into aoe crash is annoying

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And theseus just rolling over you is a pain

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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EM Theseus is easier than normal for me

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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yep same @stiff flume

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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i find theses annoying even from personaility

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Asterius is tougher, for sure

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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thesus is way easier bcs he doesnt hit scan you lmao

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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that stinking shield

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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And if you accidentally get caught in one of the bombs, it hurts a lot

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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the spin is savage if you're not quick on your toes

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bah, you only eat the bombs because the marker disappears

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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It's pretty easy to dodge theseus spears imo, especially if you have athena dash

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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and yeah no shield aswell

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

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or they bounce off structures and, again, the marker disappears

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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just hide on a wall

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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and of course, the stupid deflect

stiff flume Apr 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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the wallbounce is a bug im sure

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i dont think they designed it so the marker disappears on purpose

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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but he doesn't give you enough time to hit him from the front exposed

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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deflected bombs become your bombs

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unless that isn't the case just for theseus

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

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you cant deflect those bombs pretty sure

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

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You can for sure deflect them

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

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hmm i never realised

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maybe its bcs i never see him get hit by them bcs he moves all the time

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 11:50 AM

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you can deflect em, and the warning circle will disappear

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but the bomb will continue to fly and damage you on impact

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why, I dunno

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Yeah gods deffo react to aspects

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I got artemis with the Achilles aspect and she started fangirling about him

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 11:59 AM

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for me the third boss with EM 3 is harder blobshrug immunity phase is later on and because everyone moves more it's harder to skip half the fight with a companion

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 12:03 PM

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@gray lintel Just blast your companion right at the beginning to hit them both.

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 12:04 PM

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that's what speedrunners do

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dash between em use batty

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:05 PM

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i like the mouse >.>

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but uh i usually do it during the immunity phase to skip the whole god boon phase

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also it's super satisfying for both of them to be defeated simutaneously

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 12:08 PM

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batty has greater damage potential

balmy citrus Apr 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Do you get only darkness after 25 heat or is my interface bugged?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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only darkness

balmy citrus Apr 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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ty

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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it even says that there are no bounties past 25

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yet

balmy citrus Apr 17, 2020, 12:11 PM

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ill have to look better next time tnx 😄

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

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tbf 25 with all weapons should be enough to do everything

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 12:29 PM

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it is so annoying when thanos oneshots chariots those things are tanky

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7-9

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:33 PM

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7-11

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 12:33 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700685233468473384/unknown.png
worst fishing spot. couldn't even see it

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:33 PM

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agreed

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patroclus area is nowhere to be found

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 12:35 PM

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ok i hate elite archers

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:41 PM

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when do you not hate anything

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tbh

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 12:42 PM

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hmm what does the title Minotaur's toughness indicate? Over 400 hp?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:42 PM

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probably

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:42 PM

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you dummy thicc

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as thicc as the bull

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 12:43 PM

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An early Life Affirmation does that

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:43 PM

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i got life affirmation and nectar gives max life one time early on lmao

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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yeah but 200 hp is all i need

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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i also got a 4th death defiance from chaos that run

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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dd is always nice

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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didn't use a single death defiance ablobsadrain

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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i wonder if anyone rolled enough to get 2 defiance

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damn, you is thicc

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xd

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

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i had like 480 HP lol

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i wonder

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if you have 69 hp

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will the game just say nice

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 12:50 PM

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died with lvl 2 aurther in hades phase 2

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i just feel 80% dmg reduction makes the game more fun and if it's easy i could just add heat

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tried one dark souls game and can't do it

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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lol when spike traps deal 1 damage on 35 heat

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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dink~

dense locust Apr 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Hey, you do you, whatever is fun, do that

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 12:52 PM

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@dense locust At that point, standing inside them to trigger your revenges becomes a strategy baalorLUL

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Also, I saw someone end an excalibur run with like 690 hp once

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 12:53 PM

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nice

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69 heat when

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 12:54 PM

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but i got divine protection out of it so im happy

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just zues and poseiden to go i think

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duos, bow upgrade, perk, beat game with each pact modifer, ||play the lyre, reunite orph and eud||, fight dire snakestone, and win skelly's prize

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what even is 100%ing the game?

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feels like a sandbox in terms of end goal

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i was gonna try hellmode on release but if i suck without it without god mode... i can only imagine the pain it brings

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:01 PM

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last boss only has a few attacks you really need to watch out for

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:01 PM

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~~REDACTED~~

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:02 PM

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one: BEEG SPIN. that does like a ton of damage and is kind of weird/impossible timing to dodge or deflect it. you probably want to dash away from it before it hits

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:02 PM

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also he has that shooting his sugar skulls pose

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watch out that jojo pose

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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those i don't think actually matters too much because the damage is kinda minimal blobneutral

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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no

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if you get inflicted

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then the big spin

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o you f up big times

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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the major effect is boiling blood which sucks for a bit but if you dodge everything else(read: big spin) doesn't matter

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likewise the smaller stabs are pretty easy to dodge or deflect

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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also it kinda just

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makes your screen uglier

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which i would apprieciate if i can turn that off

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:04 PM

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oh no the screen uglies

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anywho second phase has more things to worry about. The big spin hnas two smaller spins that make it much easier to avoid.

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:04 PM

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yeah the call of duty low hp black vignette pisses me off

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:04 PM

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but you have THE LASER FUN TIME. the animation is pretty noticable so you gotta hide behind things

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and the dang urns

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:05 PM

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defuse the urns while you can

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thats me

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:05 PM

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urns is 100% why I always get the broken spearpoint because the broken spearpoint makes it much easier to survive after an urn and makes it much easier to survive the lasers :x

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:05 PM

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so you dont make a chain reaction when the sugar skull that you dont ahve time to kill will stab you in the back

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:06 PM

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i hate how his laser locks on

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:06 PM

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hiding behind walls is a thing

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:06 PM

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ik

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:06 PM

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tbh again, when did you not hate on anything that kills you lmfao

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:06 PM

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but if you are too late that crap melts and is scary

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charriots don't kill me

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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20 damage is managable if you have DDs left

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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wait i didn't say em

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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especially on god mode

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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i wasn't using godmode this time

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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where it just reduce to peashooter 4 damage

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oh good

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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and this is why i use godmode

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hades does too much dmg

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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nope i take it back

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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i mean zagreus can also do too much damage :p

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i've done a cast build before with like... heroic artemis cast that's level 4, with 5 regenerating casts and hera bow

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Hell yea

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regenerative kidneystone is like

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bruh

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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load up 5 casts, shoot final boss once, instablap

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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you an elitist fade? the kind that swears an oath to never be casual? not everyone can dodge everything

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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i dont wanna use anything after that

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at least if i am playing ez mode i dont complain all the time :))

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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but feels like the majority can which is ridiculous

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what's wrong with complaining about annoying enemies

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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and sure i get killed by stupid stuffs but i would blame it on me rather than blaming the thing is broken and refuse to learn lol

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well from what ive seen you literally complain anything, anyway im not gonna spark a flame

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see ya later

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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refuse to learn thing broken wdym? -_- instigator

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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shh everyone cool it in here please 🖐️

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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you already did

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nah we are on heat 16

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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switch to 0 heat run tizozzz

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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with god mode

turbid needle Apr 17, 2020, 1:12 PM

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with god mode!

quartz crow Apr 17, 2020, 1:13 PM

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i do get better with practice but i only have so much skill. my dream is to make an awesome game not be a lifeless pro

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when devs don't beat their hardmodes...

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Man, I hated the fists, but I just unlocked magnetic pull and that makes them feel so much better.

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Does anyone know if the pull damage applies debuffs like doom or chill if you have it on special?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:23 PM

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it should

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it is a hit

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it replaces the first hit when standing, I think it's a net buff for dash special

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TIL brilliant riposte is required for the block one hit every 20 seconds boon

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:38 PM

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weird, right?

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Wanna know what I just learned?

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https://i.imgur.com/dVw1uay.png

Imgur

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This is a thing.

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Together with athenas boon, this make stubborn defiance quite a bit better.

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:40 PM

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again, the issue with SD is that you don't die every room

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:40 PM

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@lament coral No, but you can use it like a stronger version of after party and heal to 50% every room

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:41 PM

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ok, and if the room is tough and you drop 2 defiances?

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oh wait, you only have 1 bouldy

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:41 PM

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then you weren't swole enough

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eat more centaur hearts

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centaur hearts are loaded with protein that's why they make you swole

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:42 PM

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I can see how, in theory, SD would be better than DD when you start out

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when you don't have +50 HP from the mirror

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you're unfamiliar with enemies, bosses, traps

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:43 PM

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it's possibly workable on high heat when regular enemies can pose more problem than bosses

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:43 PM

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in that situation, you probably are dying every few rooms

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:43 PM

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@lament coral If a single room takes 2 DDs from you, that's pretty much run-ending at higher heat too.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:43 PM

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i've seen people with high heat runs die to mobs in the third area and lose all their DDs

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:44 PM

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bruh, I usually drop 1-2 DDs before Elysium on 32

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:44 PM

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it also makes ragequits easier because you don't have to burn through 3 DDs :v

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also actally when I think about it

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what if you get the legendary +1 DD from chaos

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:44 PM

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but then you never get to experience the PATTY moment

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when you're on 0 DDs and 1 HP

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and then PATTY

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and you win the game

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:45 PM

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i do like recovering +30% max HP a room

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:46 PM

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@lament coral Yeah, but in the same room? If I lose 2 DDs in one regular room, that usually means I lost the run.
I don't even disagree with you, I don't think stubborn is good, just not as bad given you can upgrade it for pretty cheap.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:46 PM

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i do still need to win a run with it for the prophecies thing

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it's funny like 50% of runs I literally don't use any DDs lol

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:47 PM

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I am running with it right now for the prophecy

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which is how I found the kiss

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:47 PM

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I walked into an Elysium room with 3 DDs, faced armored exalted shields with extra HP and damage, and came out with 1 DD and about 20% HP

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:48 PM

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oh wait huh

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that actually changes?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:48 PM

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and you know what? I lost that run

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:48 PM

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i wonder if Mr ||patty|| has a different thing too

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Patty didn't show up, I lost 1 DD to Theseus and the bull, and then had my ass chewed off in Styx

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but if I had SD, I would not have made it out of Elysium at all

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that's a win in my book

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:50 PM

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@gray lintel Yeah, i took a screenshot above - it upgrades your DD to restore 10% more for 20 rooms, and only costs 50 gold (before heat modifiers)

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I dont think patty changes, but maybe I will meet him and find out

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Also, I just noticed another thing

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Patty's thing grants you 20 or 30% extra HP restore on death with SD

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 1:50 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/700704769097990204/20200417165011_1.jpg

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hunting duo boons for the fates

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one down

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this duo looks good btw

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:51 PM

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It is. You can make an insane build with demeter / zeus / dio and their respective duos

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:51 PM

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it is good, it's a 50% damage increase

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:51 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/TEU7RZm.png

Imgur

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This hammer perk for the fists?

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It scales with special damage

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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oh, they added chill to it?

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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it currently hits for 140 for me

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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yeah, but you have to wait until you land

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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@lament coral It always chilled, the tooltip just didnt say so at first

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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doesn't proc otherwise

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ah

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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still, 140 extra damage per special is pretty nuts

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:52 PM

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but you have to stand still and wait to land instead of dash cancelling to avoid incoming damage

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I still like it.

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:53 PM

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it should proc without needing to land

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Fair, but that would make it too strong I think

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My stubborn defiance currently heals me to 70%

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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festive fog is unironically IMO one of the most powerful casts

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mainly because it's an AOE explosion that doesn't have to target an enemy

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and the crowd control is nice too

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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considering that it's the only worthwhile special hammer for Talos, I don't think it'd be OP

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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and without regenerating casts it drops the cast gem right there too instead of needing to wati for it to drop off someone!

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/700705833998352464/20200417165429_1.jpg

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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it would still be competing with long fist and kick

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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lool got the legemdary aswell

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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> only worthwhile special hammer

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ablobtriggered

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kick is awesome bruh

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draining cutter is also awesome

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AOE explosion on dash-upper is also awesome

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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@gray lintel you've conveniently omitted the next part

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Oh nice
You got both the festive pog special dash and blackout

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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here it is

worthwhile special hammer for Talos

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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explosive upper still works colbert

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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really?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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also draining cutter doesn't give damage but like the 2% heal is pretty amazing not gonna lie

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Explosive upper sadly doesnt work with quake cutter

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:57 PM

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quake cutter is weird TBH

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i do think increased special speed increases the speed at which you hit the ground though so with epic special speed it's nice

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 1:58 PM

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again, you have to land, meaning you have to wait

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and enemies aren't gonna wait on you, they'll pulverize you

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 1:59 PM

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yes, the landing is inconvienent, although less so with increased special speed

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weirdly the slam animation still plays despite dash cancelling blobshrug

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it would be neat if it worked like dash 'cancelling' on sword special and you just did the slam someplace else

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i'd be real: i am unironically okay with the mirror duplicate of death defiance being... not... death defiance. :x

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/qWE63Iz.png

Imgur

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Yes, I would like to replenish one use of my stubborn defiance

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Now I have infinite plus one uses!

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:22 PM

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this is why SD is garbo

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 2:27 PM

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that makes no sense lol why would you wanna replenish SD when it does it itself

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i think that needs a change

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altho there isnt a good option comes to my mind honestly and you still get the longer impervious i guess

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:29 PM

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lol the reason you get that is for the DD use

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the impervious works more like sidegrade

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thats why you include athena into your limited god pool

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:34 PM

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i don't think the replenish one use is intended to actually be like... why you take that perk

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:36 PM

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its a sidegrade is all

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plus it is a passive that does not lead to legendary thank god

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i would cry everytime i picked up this without a DD wasted

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:37 PM

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2 more seconds of impervious isnt too bad

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:38 PM

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SD should restore 50% HP by default and provide a 25% damage boost after you die. Defiance replenishment boons should provide greater benefits, e.g. Deathless Stand should grant 6 seconds of impervious.

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:38 PM

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6 is too broken

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:38 PM

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you live only twice

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and you die only once

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:38 PM

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i could literally reposition myself immediately somewhere and start attack without consequences for some seconds

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2 seconds is as good as it is

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its good if you died in awkward position, say, the redacted lasers

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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you're never taking that

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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i do if there's nothing else i want for athena blobneutral

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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yeah

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sometimes i do get one when i had like one DD lost in Elysium

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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no, you wouldn't

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I've taken it many times

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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although tbh the obvious choice is not the one highlighted(why would you take the revenge ability when you don't have a cast and athena has like the highest cast base damage :x)

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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because literally anything else out of her kit would be better than a boon that does nothing

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Athena has plenty of boons more useless than that

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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the backstab too

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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well, I say anything but there's another DD boon

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yeah but a DD is a DD

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i aint complainin

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but 2 seconds impervious works

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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not when your SDs are infinite

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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to be fair, one of the useless boons(increased damage for reflected effects) is required for basically one of the most powerful boons in the game :p

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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SD is garbo

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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:v

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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we ignore those

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yeah, and I suggested how to make it not garbo

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transformative boons, brother

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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yeah but not 6 seconds lol

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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just like Hermes'

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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god no

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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6 seconds would be insane imo

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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god yes, Athena, in fact

naive cobalt Apr 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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If that happened, it would be nerfed afterwards

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I reckon

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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would you start running SD with that boon?

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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so insane thats literally her aid duration

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No

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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hahaha

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thx

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I rather take 3 chances

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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exactly my point

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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SD is still garbo no matter how you buff it lol

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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you're not thinking outside the box

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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at least the stygian hermes they changed entirely how it works

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not just like yknow

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buff the damn thing to maximum

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I disagree with the faster regen one

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what is it, 0.75 seconds faster heroic?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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i like the faster regen one but it's like ehhhhhhhhh

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it's 2.26 seconds epic

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Good morning everyone squirtyay

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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good morning

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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ok, 0.74 seconds faster

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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i think it's 2 seconds heroic

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but with regenerating that's actually kinda significant blobshrug

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but I agree in that it does not feel very good

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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is it? I took it once when I had 1 cast and I felt no difference

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I like auto reload tbh

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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granted, I wasn't doing a cast build

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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honestly it needs a little something like +1 cast

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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it has a difference if you start using casts

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and you said earlier casts were for wusses

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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just for feels good I guess, not power

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I do not recall ever saying anything of the sort

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because I, too, have played Poseidon sword with Arty cast

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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oh wait it aint you

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sorry

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Epic Auto Reload will make you spam Casts faster, effectively giving you an extra cast every 3-4 uses

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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bouldy

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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aspect of hera with arty cast and 5 gems with regeneration si hilarious

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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it was shrew lol

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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you just fwip a bow at someone

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and then they just get punked by 10 casts

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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aspect of hera doesnt work well with the stygian soul

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since you want dat burst damage

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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i still think it works good

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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without chaos, not so much

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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it significantly changes playstyle anyway no matter what you do

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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also you have to rush a cast build and a arty legendary

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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the blood effect doesn't matter anyway but blobshrug

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Hera with SS is more reliable than its bursty counterpart

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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but then Hera's effect is useless

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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artemis way to get legendary is very... confusing

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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you could basically run a lvl 1 Hera

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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sure but most weapons are good without their effects :x

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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That’s true @lament coral

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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tbh hera is good in level 1 before the stygian soul even released

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since you p much instakill and get the kidneystones back

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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that's kind of silly, innit? An aspect's bonus completely negated by a mirror talent

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Kidneystones thanthink

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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yea thats how i call em

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a name that stucks

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literally

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Same can be said about Poseidon’s

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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♦️ coming your way

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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also peach, idk can you reoptimize the boon tree of artemis?

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i found it being one of the most confusing graph

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Poseidon? What about him?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Which is why I run Aspect of Poseidon with Infernal Soul rather than Stygian Soul

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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weirdly poseidon sword still kinda does something blobneutral

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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i have trouble reading what does it mean

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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You get half its effect

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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it's effect still works with exit wounds, and cast damage bonus is pretty rare outside of chaos

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Boost in cast damage but early dislodge is missed

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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oh, you meant the aspect

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I couldn't figure out if you meant the god, his boons, or the aspect

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Sorry! Just clarified now squirtnya

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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or is artemis simply the most confusing to get her ult

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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ye, I tried Poseidon sword with Ares and regen cast, wasn't particularly good

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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so what exactly do i need to get fully loaded

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ive got it but idk how

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Dual Shot and Exit Wounds

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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tbf i didn't know until the wiki that you had to take more deflect damage to get athena's legendary

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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it just doesn't make sense

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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and how does exit wounds spawn

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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the legendary gives you a bubble

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which Athena boon gives you a bubble? That's right, Holy Shield

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is it required? Nope

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@hybrid galleon sadly, I don’t have idea how to make it more simple. She’s one of the most complicated gods when it comes to her tree mainly due to speed runners according to @fallow niche

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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the legendary doesn't even deflect when it's hit

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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athena is the best god for DPS yes I just like

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think she's super awkward and needs boons to be looked at/shuffled around :x

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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did you misspell Artemis?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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@lament coral Holy Shield isn’t specifically required but it’s listed as one of the requirements among all squirtyay

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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but it's silly though

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 2:56 PM

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er

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artemis yes thonk

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I get that Athena lacks proper tier 2 boons

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 2:56 PM

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@naive tusk i have an idea of highlighting a line of boon which are tier 1 or 2

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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which is probably gonna get addressed in June

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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@hybrid galleon if you see a boon with 2 different colored arrows merged together, it means said boon needs both arrows

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In Artemis’ case, you will see both Exit Wounds and Dual Shot’s arrows merged into Fully Loaded

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It’s really not as confusing as it seems at first. Just need to read it carefully 📖

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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what the hell, demeter's cast is awesome

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:00 PM

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so do i need either dual shot or true shot in order to let exit wounds to show up, right?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Yes!

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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demeter's cast is meme as hell lol

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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try demeter + artemis duo

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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without crystal clarity

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i cant use it

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god i miss my fav cast ;-;

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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~~which still feels bad because crits don't synergize well with other abilities but eh~~

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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the ❤️ shotgun™️

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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rip aphrodite cast yee

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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#revertloveshotgun

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i wanna draw a fanart of aphro holding a shotgun and have zeus as hostage

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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can hera join in :v

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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with her pillar women gang

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Demeter + Hera + Hestia = Pillar Women

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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ayayaaaaaa

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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the three women that has failing marriage and family

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except maybe hestia since she says im single

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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maybe she's married to guns

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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HAHAHAHA

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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"Hey, have you met my husband, FIFTY CALIBER MACHINE GUN?"

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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#h1-discussion

pearl willow Apr 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Oh man triple shot + chain shot with a decent attack for the bow is nuts. It even just ricochets off walls, I'm clearing some small styx rooms with a single attack.

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Isn’t that fun? squirtnya

pearl willow Apr 17, 2020, 3:23 PM

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And I just picked up Blizzard Shot while having heroic level 2 cast, this is a good one

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Hey, what are the best builds for Achilles's spear?

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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switching to the twin fists of malphon

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Ooh that’s not something that is asked frequently!

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Haha 😄

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Hey, don’t be like that! Haha

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I wanted to go for a cast build but I don't know

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:42 PM

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the best build of achilles spear is switch to Hera bow

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:42 PM

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It works for Aspect of Achilles since its the only Varatha aspect that boosts your casts

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I don’t use Achilles too much so I couldn’t recommend a good build, sorry 😅

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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wait what? i thought achilles gave a damage boost after the special

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Yeah, to attacks and casts

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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yes after the special 2 attacks/2 casts deal +150% dmg

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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ooh

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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which also includes cast attack and you guess it

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another special

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achilles golf time

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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yeah, i'd recommend going for demeter or artemis

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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But for a cast build should I go for the cast every 3s or +2 casts?

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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ares could work too but you'd have to actually aim

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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dionysus special, aphrodite dash, duo of both, and aspect of zeus

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Last time I went for Dyonisos I did some big number but meh

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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who neesd to actually attack

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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oooh Ares

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Looks fun to me

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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actually

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how does achilles interact with ares' cast

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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ares dont need aim when you have H U N T I N G B L A D E S

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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does the buff affect the entire blade or just the first two hits

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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well it will deal +150% dmg

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which is huge if I can get his leg

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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yes but ares' cast is a multihit
if so it could just eat the buff with the first two hits

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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and it's always a fu build

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oh

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you think so?

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your next cast attack

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are stronger

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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The totality of the Slicing Shot is affected, not just the 1st 2 hits

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So you can shoot 2 buffed slicing shots if you wanted

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As for which mirror talent to pick, I’d say either works

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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oooo

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that's nasty

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Yeah looks good

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With Ares I'll go with +2 I think

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It's not like it will go into a mob

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like a normal cast

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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no but if you aim well it can be pretty painful

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Get Vicious Cycle for added pain

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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i don'tt know if this is a bug but if you have enough speed you can outrun the blitz disk

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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no it isnt

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and its fun

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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No bug. You are just fast shadesmile

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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its good because then you have a disk as your stand

weak rivet Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Zag be speedy nyoom

cloud scarab Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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hello friends ! I just joined after playing hades a bunch !

weak rivet Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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What im wondering about rn is. What is Zag's max speed

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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a lot

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I'll go with that

weak rivet Apr 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Zag blade maxed, ignited ichor, heroic hermes boon

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RUNNING IN THE NINETIES

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@cloud scarab welcome friendly

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If you have any questions pertaining the server or the game itself, feel free to ask squirtyay

cloud scarab Apr 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Thanks! this seems like a pretty cozy place where i can get neat info about the game squirtyay

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i will i will!

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i'm just dashing around watching my lawnmower blitz disk mow enemies down with poison lmao

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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my stand

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purple haze

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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menacing

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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@weak rivet You can stack ichor with wellspring trinket too

weak rivet Apr 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Lambent plume?

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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lambent plume + ignited ichor + drift dash

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Hermes isn't area-limited like hammer is right?

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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That’s a lot of fun

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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oho chariots so it's a race you want

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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So you could get epic drift dash and movement speed, heroic them both with euridice

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then buy the styx hermes to get movespeed on call use

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Chariot: hoho, you are approaching me

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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you can get up to 3 hermes boons

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Hammer isn’t area limited

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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@naive tusk you cant get second hammer until elysium

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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yea you guarranteed to get 2

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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You can even get a hammer in the 1st chamber sometimes

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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hammer isnt area limited but you can only get 2

rugged estuary Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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hermes isn't limited like that afaik

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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and is more frequent the further youve came

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Ah, you meant it that way. Thought you meant it in another way

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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also more frequent in rerolls in further chambers

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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from what I'm aware of it's 1 hammer max in tartarus/asphodel, then 2 hammer max from then on

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yep, it’s like that

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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dashing around with Heroic increased dashes perk being followed by my poison stand :v

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okay third boss with heroic extra dashes and blitzdisk is fun

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just race both of them around the edge of the arena at hyperspeed

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 4:16 PM

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It’s probably gonna take forever though

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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level 7 dionysus's call ablobthinkingeyes

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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do it

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Make a double poison stand

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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43 poison damage a half second per stack

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hey ~~REDACTED~~ it's time to get sloshed as hell

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Now that I've tested it I should have gone for the 3s per cast instead of +2 because the ares cast goes everywhere

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(lava etc)

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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so much purple haze

weak rivet Apr 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Redacted smoothie

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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poison smoothie

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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i had a normal special poison boon too it wasn't even rare ablobsadrain

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33% chance from the NPC in the second area to not upgrade it's rarity

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at least i got heroic extra dashes

hybrid galleon Apr 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Fugo be looking good in this game

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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blitz is weird it's hard to control but hitting every 0.3 seconds is

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actually surprisingly kinda a lot :x

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and it deals twice the damage of a throw each spin?

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plus you can attack while it's out meaning you can DOUBLETEAM

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Yeah, blitz is a bit funky to use but if you got a good dash game you can make it work

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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the only thing I don't like about it is that shield hammer upgrades are absolutely empty where it comes to special :/

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damage when you catch it, wooo toot

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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guys what are all the revenge effects?

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except zeus and ares

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ok there is athena one

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nvm i checked

winter birch Apr 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Imagine getting those

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Just dont get hit

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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you dont need to get hit when you have the zeus ares duo

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u think people actually get hit for those lmao

unkempt pagoda Apr 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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there's aphrodite

winter birch Apr 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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But weak is bad

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Cus is enoucrages you to get hit

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smh

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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For people wondering about the Achilles build with Ares:

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I’m wondering thanthink

orchid cypress Apr 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I should have gone for 3s cast instead of +2 (I had to run everytime to get it)
I didn't get lucky and got no duo boon with Artemis and no legendary, I should have gotten the +15% chance to duo/legendary
I destroyed Hades by just running way

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Only 6 heats though but I don't like the spear :p

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No chaos buff for the cast too (I got 4 chaos)

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Also went for +6% dmg for every god and it was way better because I had 0 curse in the end

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had the Ares dash (blade rift) and 4 dashs in total so it was huge too

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Really fun build though

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Hammer upgrades are useless however

unkempt pagoda Apr 17, 2020, 5:11 PM

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hot take: ruthless dash is bad bc you only get one dash to zoom around the House with

naive tusk Apr 17, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I agree with Stygian Soul being good in that you don’t have to worry about recollecting bloodstones shadesmile

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:17 PM

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how do you know which is the fake armored enemy?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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the copies are transparent

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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omg i hate the guys with shields

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can never hit them or get behind them to hit them

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took me over 15 minutes to kill 6 of them and 2 DDs later

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:27 PM

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https://imgur.com/N4kmu3Q

Imgur

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I am starting to love Zeus

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this build MELTS the final boss

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also, individual shield hit from aspect of chaos each proc their own lightning right?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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no, only the main shield procs Zeus' special boon

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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ah that's why

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but no matter

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this was a fun build

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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i frankly 100% don't know how zeus special works

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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but correct me if I am wrong

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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i don'tt know if it's on special hit or special use

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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it's just an AOE lightning bolt

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Hit

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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so can anyone answer me?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:31 PM

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unlike the attack, it doesn't bounce

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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does the clone shield works on different enemy?

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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...oh, that's why

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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It basically drops a lightning on hit

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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internal cooldown of .2 per target

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Goes great with AoE ones

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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like if non main shield hit them

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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anyone?

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Or the Zeus aspect shield of chaos

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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@latent junco I just told you, man.

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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hypothetically if aspect of zeus hovers over someone they should get zapped multiple times

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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the fake ones are transparent

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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no

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that is not my question

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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What did you ask me lad

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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actually read

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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oh the shield guy?

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just get behind em lol

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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"how do you know which is the fake armored enemy?" that was answered

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Or just whale at them with the ares main attack boon

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That one always works

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i hate those shield guys man

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Idk what to tell you other than

gray lintel Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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that's not a question :x

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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when they attack they're vulnerable

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also they die to the bombs

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that's always around elysium

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@olive badge are you asking about Zeus shield?

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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no

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Chaos Shield

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Zeus special

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Really? They don’t give me that many issues
The explody tiny chariots can go and have done things on em so vile the bot would delete my message when i said them though

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The lightning bolt falls on an enemy when the shield hits em

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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when the shield clones up does the small individual shield cause lightning strike on different enemies?

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because I feel like it does

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:34 PM

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the bonus shields do not carry the special, only the main one that flies out front does

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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but according to you only the main one does

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yes, however

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you might've noticed that only 5 shields fly out after doing the combo

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despite the fact that there should be 5 bonus shields + the main one

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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like I hit 3 different targets and lightning strike all of them or just one of them get hit

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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that's because the main shield overlaps with one of the bonus shields

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yep, that was the main shield

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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because I feel like they die much quicker than without the lightning

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oh

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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with the bonus shield overlapping with it

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you also have a lot of Zeus boons that enhance lightning, so 1 proc might've been enough to annihilate em

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I mean on the non main target too but I can try again

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Lemme see

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:38 PM

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The jolted boon can do a lot of damage to mob blobs if you just chuck the shield at em

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Good for troves

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:39 PM

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oh

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they definitely do damage individually

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here I just recorded video proof

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Wait really? Each spawns a bolt?

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That’s actually

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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https://streamable.com/7n6bi4

Streamable

Hades 2020-04-18 00-38-24 - Streamable

▶ Play video

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yeah

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Pretty good

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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that's why I destroyed Hades so fast

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since i got the legendary

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you see I threw the special in other direction

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the first 3 hit only proc 1 bolt due to the CD

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but the last one also proc it

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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what the hell

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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bro I killed hades in like

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40s

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I discovered secret OP shield build

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holy

neon fiber Apr 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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lmao

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time to get the chaos aspect then

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:47 PM

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https://streamable.com/bfiain

Streamable

Hades 2020-04-17 23-58-31 - Streamable

▶ Play video

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here's the build in action

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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hey i have a question

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689422090041819154/700764810060627998/20200417204813_1.jpg

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is this a bug?

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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what does clicking the boons do?

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i always wondered but i am not sure

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i have dionysus artifact but i got athena

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:50 PM

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@stable onyx F10 it

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:51 PM

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what does clicking the boons do?
@latent junco highlight at the end screen

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hey ravenn have you checked the left door

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that room has 2 exits

stable onyx Apr 17, 2020, 5:54 PM

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nvm false alarm

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i didnt realise the left door

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i got shocked when i saw the athena first lol

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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aight all good

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:59 PM

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@olive badge wow dude, thanks for bringing Zeus special to my attention

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 5:59 PM

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on the other hand the bow special doesn't feel good with it

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damn...

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due to the internal CD or sth

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 5:59 PM

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yeah, only 1 arrow gets the damage

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I could've swore that was the case with Chaos, too

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:00 PM

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but the shield, the shield is super fun

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yeah that's why I had to ask

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because it looks like it does

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then I remember the bow

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so I have to ask to make sure I am not seeing things looking at my footage

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and then I tested again and wow

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:00 PM

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can i reroll a gold laurel room into hammer too?

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:01 PM

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laurel?

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:01 PM

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have you not noticed the blue and gold rooms?

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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wdym by that, what reward are you talking about

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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sigh

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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or you mean Demeter?

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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not at all

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actually look at the rooms

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:03 PM

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basically, Darkness, gemstone and key rooms etc are meta reward and can only be changed into meta progress reward

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:03 PM

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rooms fall into two categories

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:03 PM

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hammer is non meta progress so it belongs in the god boons etc pool

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so to answer your question, if you reroll god boons, gold, pom etc there's a chance a hammer is there

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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yes, and i was asking if i can reroll another gold room into a hammer upgrade room

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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yeah the laurel part got me confused

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you mean the design on the coin?

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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that's what the rooms have on them

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laurels

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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ohhhh

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you mean subboss room

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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no

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not at all

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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give me screenshot then

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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yeah, that

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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yes, you can

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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do we even play the same game?

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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communication is hard, man. Chill

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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oh I never noticed the laurel

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lmao

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I just count the room

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residentzag

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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someone told me you can't find more than 1 hammer per area

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that person is wrong lol

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I used to get 2 hammers in Elysium

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so yeah

proud storm Apr 17, 2020, 6:07 PM

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you cant find 2 hammers before elysium

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you're stuck with 1 hammer max for tartarus and asphodel

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:07 PM

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if you skip or don't get the hammer in Tartarus, you'll be offered one in Asphodel

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if you skip em in Tartarus and Asphodel, you'll get em in Elysium

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I never pick hammer with sword so yeah that's how I got 2 in Elysium

lament coral Apr 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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if you skip em in Elysium, you might be offered one in Styx

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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it was AOE Special

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so I can dislodge easier

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:09 PM

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that sword aspect is kind of stupid, i never use it

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unless you specifically get exit wounds, it is complete useless

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:09 PM

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lmao noooo

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people use it for 50% cast damage lmaoooo

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you ever saw Athena cast build?

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no one really use it specifically for exit wound on it

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but rather the fact that you can drop AoE blast that deals bazillion of damage

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and get them back instantly against bosses

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the base damage is huge for athena and there's a duo with zeus that cause it to bounce

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the special dislodge thing is only really useful on bosses because enemies got absolutely destroyed by phalanx shot

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:12 PM

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k time to chime in

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I even use that sword with STYGIAN SOUL, that's how much i value 50% cast dmg buff

latent junco Apr 17, 2020, 6:12 PM

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stygian soul?

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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regenerating cast instead of collecting cast

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Yes, which makes the dislodge literally useless and sometimes negative

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I always use that for Blade Rift Build

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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unless u get exit wounds

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oh, for blade rift

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Stygian Blade Rift is EEEEEEVIL

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since the CD is faster than the duration

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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stygian is kinda busted

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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and get charon pendant for +1 cast from shop

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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imagine triple stygian cast hunting blades residentzag

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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bro I have it on vid

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I think i have had it similar too, sadly i wasn't streaming at that phase

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now I got more addicted to no-duo-boon required casts

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like true shot

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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https://streamable.com/flgp6s

Streamable

Blade Rift - Streamable

▶ Play video

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Hunting Blades

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Ares Legendary

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dusa

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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is there double casst?

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and engulfing whirl

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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yes

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yeeeessssss

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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cuz mine has, but it's not recorded residentzag

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i'll take yours as....source of joy

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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and I have 4 casts too

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so I have like 8-9 on screen at one time

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dusa

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I absolutely adore Charon's pendant for stuff like this

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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ok bro i think we need to tone it down, I want not to not control myself to say something not pg

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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because in Styx there're multiple wells

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and I run Fated Persuasion with this build

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which let me reroll well

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and basically restock it

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so I got 2 +1 cast from it

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dusa

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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"styx there's are multiple wells" ok bro u done it, I think i might not be able to control myself now

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residentzag

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How in the actual f are u that lucky

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"cuz whenever i save reroll for dd in styx, i never get more than 1 well

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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same way I got support fire, zeus legendary and heroic pressure point when running Zag glove

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the punch itself does no damage

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but the lightning and the rain of arrows

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dusa

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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And, lemme guess, constant jolted too

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thonkHappy2

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Demeter + Zeus duo, ofc

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zeus call and billowing strength too

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Aww that's kinda wasted 2bh

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the duo

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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residentzag

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yeah I suppose

naive laurel Apr 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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bro save ur luck for later use a bit lul

olive badge Apr 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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but Zeus Glove and Zeus Shield is crazy fun