Ooh spicy. I think I prefer deadly reversal depending on the build.
#h1-builds-and-combat
tepid ridge
latent junco
yeah
i got a funny dialogue from the 3 gods involved in the two different duos
they were like "This is awkward" or something like that
round summit
I'm doing a torture run to myself without realizing it
I have Beneficts Package, with Arthur's aspect
Just found a Speedy Longspear
or another name
the dude that pokes you
really fast
and I lost 2 DDs to him
couldn't attack, couldn't special
and forgot to dash-attack
in the first wave of the room
afterwards another one appeared together with some flamewheels
used the last DD and lost the run to a Brightsword on the next chamber
never going to do that again with Arthur's aspect
latent junco
i am on a new save file, i can still consistently get to the final boss, but god damn is he mean
round summit
i am on a new save file, i can still consistently get to the final boss, but god damn is he mean
he truly hates the fact that you're challenging him AND the whole death system at the same time
latent junco
the what?
i know what you are talking about, but i am not understanding the description you are giving
latent junco
it's ok
round summit
He's furious bc you're challenging his orders to stay put at the House and you're trying to cheat Death and make Than's work harder
latent junco
ah ok
round summit
Hey, I couldn't report, in some of my runs, Asterius just kneels down, raises his hand and does nothing for a good amount of time. Have some of you guys run into it as well?
latent junco
yeah actually, sometimes he just stands there and takes a beating from me lol
round summit
Theseus running with his spear while Asterius is praying for someone
latent junco
you know if they are right next to each other they combine their moves
like asterius throws Theseus
round summit
that never happened to me, or I didn't pay attention enough to see it
bc rn I'm on my 74th run and I've never seen this
latent junco
i try to bait out his spear throw and then focus asterius down because he can hit you twice with it
asterius, when he charges you, i usually dash through a pillar as he is about to hit me so he smashes into it
round summit
i try to bait out his spear throw and then focus asterius down because he can hit you twice with it
I just smash Asterius as hard as I can, so God-Powered Theseus isn't harder then he alredy is
asterius, when he charges you, i usually dash through a pillar as he is about to hit me so he smashes into it
I usually do this as well
latent junco
you are supposed to kill asterius first, but when i only focus on hitting him i neglect Theseus throwing his spear at me
latent junco
so i try to bait a spear throw, dash through Asterius, get my ruthless proc, and backstab him
round summit
it's a solid strat
ok imma bath rn and then head to the game and go to my 75th run
see ya later
latent junco
see ya
latent junco
hey guys, when i am transitioning areas, can i equip and then unequip the coin purse and retain the money but use a different item?
turbid needle
No.
latent junco
so i have to have it equipped for the whole area to get the bonus?
turbid needle
Yes.
latent junco
do you normally use the coin pouch for the first area for the extra money?
eternal stag
i frequently do, yeah
round summit
Normally I used it on Elysium, since I can deal quite easily with anyone (save Shield and Butterflies), but since I'm doing some challenging Heat things for me I think Tart would be the ideal place to use it
naive laurel
I never thought I'd say this, but drunken dash is actually pretty decent dmg
latent junco
does the poison in the fourth area naturally come off?
naive laurel
1 pom later, it might be one of the most reliable dmg sources despite circumstances
latent junco
for some reason it just went away while i was in combat
naive laurel
ugh, there's a fountain to interact with to remove it
latent junco
i know
i am just asking if it is intended what happened
i consistently make it to the final boss
just have not been able to kill him yet
hell, i even had an amazing shield run where i had only 3 hp left and managed to take down 1/2 his remaining first phase and 90% more or less his second phase before i messed up once and died
made it to the final boss again, first time with the railgun
lets see what happens
i have 2 DDs, and lots of mitigation and CC
and full hp
naive laurel
technically, if u can do that on shield, u can deal with hades with 300-400 effective health
E-health = (current health + max health * .5 * dd charge) * (1 - each dmg reduction)
naive tusk
Yay, more math
Play it safe with Exagryph. If you can kite him, you can beat it safely 
latent junco
i really hate the screenshot system of steam
i can never figure out how to export my screenshots to imgur or even where to find them on my PC
gray lintel
When you equip an item from the stuff after a boss, you're locked out of the keepsake cabinet until the next run.
So you can't 'swap' trinkets like t hat
gray lintel
have you finished the game yet horst
latent junco
is that a lot?
rich cedar
Yeah im on a 9 run winning streak lol
latent junco
fastest i have killed the final boss was 40 seconds in total
with the final sword aspect
completely bodied him with nearly 3k crits
rich cedar
last sword aspect is just super easy mode
latent junco
what is better, authority or persuasion?
naive laurel
I think it's gonna get nerfed, it's just noone wanna suggest it yet
latent junco
pride or chosen?
naive laurel
I got a run last nite, super easy mode, hades spin me for 10 dmg w/ all my dmg reduction and I have cursed strike on arthur aspect
facetank time
naive laurel
as for pride or chosen, i forgot which is which, but
epic chance is miles better
1 epic boon is worth 1 common boon and 1-2 poms
that says a lot
as for persuasion and authority, now it depends on playstyle
marsh pawn
finishing a run with 0 gold gives "poor as a pauper" in the victory screen
quartz crow
. . .
rutheless is bad on guan
had to just melee theseus to death
cultists are the worst. went through 2 defiance
because i couldn't heal
earnest ravine
It really doesn't, but it does require being able to dodge consistently. It's a lot safer with more blood invested in it, but you still have to be more careful about what hits you take at max.
earnest ravine
Kinda, but you shouldn't be getting that much if you don't have to, is the thing? Its special is absurd (though somewhat toned down) and its dash attack is really strong even with one dash. The spin is good for stacking/multihit status effects.
quartz crow
so just don't heal?
quartz crow
try multihit healing a boss
hybrid galleon
which i did
quartz crow
how!
quartz crow
did you have hammers?
quartz crow
i just said it sucks with default
hybrid galleon
nah
quartz crow
if i want to heal it does
hybrid galleon
its more situational and you have to use your head to determine to spin
earnest ravine
It takes a bit more aiming, but boss hitboxes are large enough it's guaranteed to hit several times.
quartz crow
or is it single dash that's screwing me over
earnest ravine
If you aren't used to enemy patterns yet, one dash is going to be harder to learn with than two.
hybrid galleon
also small spins are also benefical
the damage is the same
though, i must say, its very weird that guan yu can also thrust
even tho the weapon is design to slash not thrusting
hybrid galleon
skewer on guan yu really doesnt do anything
quartz crow
arrow call is great 😄
it delets armor
there was a charge one but idk how it'd affect it
earnest ravine
And Divine Floursh on Guan Yu is also really not the best. You wantto stack high damage on it, since reflecting with the rocket is a little harder to do than just spinning it awat.
quartz crow
charge for special
earnest ravine
Oh, that's actually one of the better ones for Guan Yu.
quartz crow
i don't pay attention to boons
earnest ravine
It only slightly slows it down at minimum charge but the damage skyrockets if you put even a small charge on it.
That's major on every weapon.
quartz crow
where th is a guide on what you choose to get
earnest ravine
if you ignore your build, you aren't going to get far.
quartz crow
those trees for getting things are outdated
hybrid galleon
is skewer the increase armor damage or wat
earnest ravine
HeartfulPeach's newest ones are all up to date.
hybrid galleon
no they are still relevant
quartz crow
well then someone lied saying you need both paths to get fully loaded
earnest ravine
You do. You need Exit Wounds and Dual Shot, but it's still RNG.
And you had neither.
hybrid galleon
stop blaming your incompetency on others and maybe gitgud xd
earnest ravine
If you state an opinion here, we're going to take it seriously and treat it like an actual conversation.
We're trying to help. It's kinda what the channel's for.
torpid turret
I gave up 
quartz crow
no one likes being told their wrong
hybrid galleon
really nice attitude you have, have a nice day 
torpid turret
Not our fault
torpid turret
You can always leave the chat if it isn't making you feel good
quartz crow
yah but still i don't see how it's positive telling someone they are wrong. if anything it's neutral
hybrid galleon
if you really dont want to feel wrong then why bother post here
quartz crow
it's only postive if they ask first
hybrid galleon
😒
torpid turret
It's hard to convince someone who has a ask questions first, learn the game last mentality. Then takes all criticism as offence
quartz crow
what's your oppinon on correcting others
earnest ravine
It's mainly to try and help you realize what to do in the future in order to help you stop getting mad at it and to have a better time. And if you state an opinion in a channel specifically made for talking about gameplay and design, people are going to give their own information on it.
torpid turret
Doesn't bother me, why wouldn't I want to be corrected if I'm in the wrong
quartz crow
well it bothers some people (i think) fine. im gone shut up
hybrid galleon
tbh guys let just leave this young man sulking on himself if that's what he wishes for
i could care less
torpid turret
It was no different when I went to bed last night lol
earnest ravine
Also wrt to that feedback about Athena's trial, it's almost bizarre that her's is seen as weaker with how it was pre-patch.
Making the invul avoidable really did take a lot of teeth out of her, huh?
earnest ravine
It's definitely an appreciated change but it still feels weird? And I dunno if I care for her effect being entirely a non-issue compared to everyone else's, but I also don't know how it would be better without like... getting to that stage again of having an enemy invul and reflect right as you tried to make it explode.
hybrid galleon
what if it was made to be just instant glass shield
torpid turret
Extra armor or damage control
hybrid galleon
god no extra armor
earnest ravine
Damage control shields wouldn't be so bad, actually. It'd fit with Divine Protection, too.
torpid turret
It should be defensive either way, extra armor wouldn't be that big of an issue to deal with. Neither would damage control
hybrid galleon
glass armor is nice
because it doesnt jsut suddenly you have to stop attacking
it just added annoyance
and armor to health ratio is already big thing
torpid turret
All trials are an added annoyance
hybrid galleon
as if with elysium it wouldnt be cancer enough lol
it scales too well in elysium lol
torpid turret
I always take athena first in a trial anyways, because it's the only one that makes the rooms slower
I haven't even seen the new version of that trial yet
round summit
it scales too well in elysium lol
Beneficts Package in Elysium is hell in Hell
round summit
wait that exists?
round summit
a fast Spear boi already makes me want to cry
hybrid galleon
no pun intended
torpid turret
Haelian did a dashless run, was pretty funny
hybrid galleon
yep
but the strength of delta chamber is the spam capability tho
dash strike it you fire 4 times the speed
torpid turret
I don't think I can use the rail attack again until spread fire is nerfed lmao
Because nothing else feels worth it
round summit
Delta Chamber + Hestia is trading life for damage basically
dense locust
I did a Hestia run last night with spread fire and felt strange
I think the hestia shot is a spread fire but with an extra bullet that shoots out beyond the range of spread fire. Either that, or I’ve been playing too much Hades that it has invaded my dreams
unkempt pagoda
the empowered shot isn’t affected by spread fire
you may be mistaking it for the extra dash attack bullet, which is affected by spread fire
torpid turret
I've only used it with zag aspect so I wouldn't know
dense locust
What I meant is that on the hestia shot, you fire a spread fire but then another bullet comes out
hybrid galleon
I assume it looks like this?
dense locust
At the same time, but it is possible I was just dash attacking and it looked like the hestia bullet was coming out of a spread fire
dense locust
Yes
torpid turret
10/10 art
dense locust
That is incredibly accurate
hybrid galleon
10/10
dense locust
11/10
static prawn
I got a perfect clear with Guan Yu as well.... but I was not perfect
hybrid galleon
you got hit once then healed yourself?
torpid turret
Who hates guan yu? Its mad fun
hybrid galleon
oh you know
certain people i guess
but lets not talk about them, more guan yu damn it
dense locust
I found cursed sword hammer a lot of fun while darkness farming last night
hybrid galleon
i didnt realized it was strong and then when i used it with some guidance on this channel
10/10
didnt regret
static prawn
I only used guan yu after seeing that guy do I think a 6 min speedrun?
dense locust
Probably the only time I’ll find cursed sword fun
dense locust
0 heat..
hybrid galleon
cursed sword is just so cursed
static prawn
neitherdid I apparently, found the video and it was25 mins. I was way off
it was 40 heat though
hybrid galleon
yea
sad momento
honestly heat climbing folks are amazing
but its not so much when you died to hachoodes
static prawn
I only started in the most recent update so most of the broken stuff is not helpful
hybrid galleon
and then you gotta redo the heat again
torpid turret
Well you can still get on the broken spread fire train before it's too late
static prawn
I actually got my first "good" build today, though I've won multiple times. It was quite the melting pot
It was the good ol' po sword
torpid turret
pos sword is so damn good
hybrid galleon
how is pos sword good 
static prawn
It made me realize how rare exit wounds is tho
torpid turret
Pos sword is one of the best if not the best aspect imo
hybrid galleon
im so used to memesis i cant go to other sword
torpid turret
Cast builds are insane with it. Stygian soul is awesome as well
hybrid galleon
because im a dumb dumb that forgets i have kidneystone 100% of the time
static prawn
only if they imbed though. Ares and such is out the window
hybrid galleon
until i realized why am i dealing suboptimal damage im like oh
torpid turret
Doesn't matter @static prawn
hybrid galleon
also cast build? Hera would like to have a question
lone hound
I just got a run where I had almost 100% percent dodge chance with ruthless reflex. Pretty sure I coudl have got the limit if I didnt suck lol
static prawn
Aphrodite is actually pretty unique because their cast I believe is a tiny aoe, but it still imbeds
hybrid galleon
Ogod
torpid turret
Another example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbp_Aw5TFQg
hybrid galleon
nice
lone hound
lmao thats crazy
hybrid galleon
I am an aspiring hades yootoober now
I currently have a lot of Pure Build footage
torpid turret
THIS is why I love pos sword
hybrid galleon
which will be titled, Nerf x
static prawn
Oh wow, amazing
hybrid galleon
god damn
torpid turret
Those are without stygian soul though
If you can get casts from chaos and maybe artemis legendary stygian soul is insane
Near constant casting
Without ever having to pick up your casts
torpid turret
Yeah so good
static prawn
Athena dash + Hermes Heroic Greatest reflex I would imagine would make losing impossible even if you do nothing but dash
torpid turret
I believe I had hermes legendary in both those videos. The one where casts return, so was still super good
static prawn
I think I saw that Hermes has two legendary boons based on what side of the mirror you use for bloodstones
which makes sense
torpid turret
Yep
torpid turret
I'm still putting my money on 4th aspect being a weildable brimstone that shoots lasers everywhere
static prawn
Its special is turning it the other direction when it starts trying to fire at you
hybrid galleon
tho wouldnt spread laser would be really OP
turn it around to give it headpats
yknow what would be nice
static prawn
no, giving it headpats would make the souls that form the brimstone at peace, and would no longer be a brimstone capable of firing anger into a concentrated beam.
hybrid galleon
special fires homing rocket salvos
just a barrage of them
yknow a weapon that do quick procs but mini damage would be nice
we dont have that for the 4th aspect
the 2 4th aspects so far are slow but mega slappy
dapper bridge
Artemis Cast 👌
spare zealot
I should really try some sort of casting build
naive laurel
U really don't need to go full cast build, or even half
spare zealot
I had fun today with a spear special spam build with Ares and I'm like, what if I could do that faster
naive laurel
get stygian sould, get artemis cast, get exit wounds/double cast/cast dmg buff. And all other build towards aoe
dapper bridge
make sure you use poseidon sword too
naive laurel
u'll actually feel very good against bosses
actually, u don't need to, u can, but it's not a must
hybrid galleon
Artemis Call 👌
dapper bridge
You're right, but it sure does feel good
hybrid galleon
PRESS F TO REMOVE PHASE
dapper bridge
Artemis 👌
hybrid galleon
Art 👌
spare zealot
A 👌
hybrid galleon
👌
dapper bridge
s posting is more a state of being
you carry it with you
from channel to channel
spare zealot
it's a lifestyle, and in the age of the coronavirus it can be a job occupation
naive tusk
Remember to stay on topic in each channel~
naive tusk
Awkward Huntress
dapper bridge
yup that's pretty good
naive tusk
This kind of topic fits more in #h1-discussion though. This channel is more to discuss gameplay strategies and mechanics
winter birch
The God that doesnt seem like a jerk
naive laurel
Imma focus my high heat build towards artemis cast, and everything put into aoe focus. I think doing that is better than having aoe cast
cuz eventually single target dmg is just a boss acceleration tool
dapper bridge
anything to detonate bosses faster is prbobaly going to be pretty good
dapper bridge
HA
hybrid galleon
I need a picture of jojo zag with his stand
Demeter
honestly grandma mittens is just so good
it honestly overshadows the other gloves jfc
dapper bridge
Demeter knuckles is really good I agree
been having a lot of fun stacking heat on that
charred patio
「Hazy Shade Of Winter」
hybrid galleon
Demeter breaks into Hell to find hades to explain wheres my persephone
charred patio
I've dumped so much blood into demeter's gloves its almost laughable
dapper bridge
Oh yeah I maxed those gloves out on day 1 of the update
I thought it was such a cool feature with the multi-attack
naive laurel
pretty much locks u into some sort of special build tho
And it doesn't work with charging upper, not sure if it does now
dapper bridge
I'm not terribly concerned with forcing special builds with it
I don't really pay attentiont o the meta anyways
charred patio
Yeah. Worth it though based on my general playstyle tho. I think it works with charged upper but thats not one I take often so dont quote me
dapper bridge
I just like putting zeus attack on it and having funw ith the rest of the run
hybrid galleon
you just need roiling knuckles
dapper bridge
roiling knuckles feels so good man
dapper bridge
especially if you can get the dash into attack combo going
naive laurel
I mean...there are general bonus like 2nd rail aspect, and there's things that only focus on 1 move of yours
demeter special on her own fists is busted tho
dapper bridge
I atcually dont remember how it works
been a while since I played actually
I just remember getting consistently excited whenever I see demeter special with her mittens
naive laurel
welp, I used zag aspect too much recently
time to switch it up
And u bet i'll force a draining upper hammer
charred patio
Rolling knuckle + hermes attack speed boost 👌
dapper bridge
now you're speaking my language
put a couple on-hit's on your attack and you're in business
naive laurel
Why need hermes speed when u can have better than common on an aspect 
dapper bridge
why not both
naive laurel
actually, it's 2 common from hermes on an aspect
dapper bridge
just for the heck of it
naive laurel
oh u bet I always go for the atk speed
I either go zeus atk or demeter
atk speed is always good for it
dapper bridge
im exactly the same
I tried out dio attack on it when the update first dropped and was thoroughly unimpressed
got zeus attack next run and discovered my new favourite weapon
friendhsip ended with bow, mittens new best friend
naive laurel
huh, Achilles spear, 2 stygian cast charges, lvl 3 true shot, no boons
2 shot 1 Tisiphone phase
4 shot depleted half of her total health
literally donno which keepsake to take into asphodel now cuz I think that true shot is gonna be enough
static prawn
money?
naive laurel
i got 3 chaoes boon, there's a +50% obol brewing
the other is 95% dash and +1 cast stone
so, i guess i went for the default, athena dash time
1242 crit from the cast, I think w/ any aoe I can deal with hydra with ease
dapper bridge
sounds like a pretty solid run you got there
naive laurel
Yeah....this is kinda what i go for in my normal save, I just use achilles spear and true shot to cheese bosses
but now it's 20 heat...
dapper bridge
Oooh nice! Heat is getting higher
hybrid galleon
crank dat radiator
dapper bridge
post the endcap of your run, I wanna see how it turns out
naive laurel
or, #self-promotion And I'll link u the..stream :p
dapper bridge
you're streaming right now?
naive laurel
I use it to record, basically
dapper bridge
oh thats pretty clever
naive laurel
or for some friends who wanna watch
dapper bridge
im always down for supporting smaller content creators
naive laurel
Here, sent it :p
Oh I consider myself just playing
"content" is organized, mine is def not lul
naive laurel
rip, got a game crash on next run
dusty tiger
The game really is making not loyal
At first I want to do a poseidon run, then it offered me a heroic athena boon
I thought ok, maybe I will do an Athena Poseidon run, but then it gave me a pretty good Dionysus boon.
I figured that three gods is fine, so I continued.
Then it gave me a heroic artemis boon to replace my good dionysus boon
Hades please, I want to stay a little bit loyal
robust gate
I find it funny when I'm doing a trial of the gods and I'm offered an exchange for the god I've spurned, talk about rubbing salt in the wound lol. And once I accepted the other god's boon it gave me another exchange for the god I picked first
dusty tiger
lmao
winter birch
Is the aspect of zeus any good?
earnest ravine
Yes!!
It's a lot more work to get going properly, but if you're used to working with like, puppet characters in other games, or playing multiple characters, it's a breeze.
It's got great damage potential and works well with any on-hit stacking boon, while also being safer defensively than the other shields. It loses out in raw burst damage to Chaos, but is great sustained.
dense locust
@robust gate I think that will always occur if you have any boon from the first god
that could swapped
winter birch
Ok and also does Doom stack to more time you hit with it
dense locust
no
winter birch
K
dense locust
but
there is a boon that will add damage to the doom the more times you hit an enemy with doom
winter birch
Yeah
earnest ravine
Yeah, you want to do with Dio or Zeus special typically. You CAN put Doom on it for Dire Misfortune or if you're trying to force a merciful end build, which ALSO works wonders, but takes some doing and more luck.
The hardest part is getting used to constantly keeping the Special in play, imo, but if you do that already or work up to it, it plays like a dream.
dense locust
I've never found dire misfortune good ever, but it is free damage
Merciful end builds on the other hand are a lot of fun
earnest ravine
it can be nice sometimes, but I only EVER use it if I have merficful end going or if Doom is my only source of Privelaged Status on a run where I take it.
earnest ravine
Yeaah
dense locust
It's kinda the equivalent of support fire in the sense that it just adds damage
but support fire usually adds more damage even if your weapon is something that doesn't take full advantage of it
earnest ravine
Also, Support Fire works with every hit of the Zeus special now, I'm pretty sure, or has a REALLY low cooldown.
So it's one of the few weapons where iit shines and I have it as a decently high priority.
liek sure it's 14 damage at Epic, but if I'm already stacking flat damage buffs it adds up fast.
naive laurel
Oh on a side note, it's possible to trigger multiple lightnings on the same target from bow special, but the cd is really long
So it's more of a "jolt the room" situation than flexible single/multiple target dmg
earnest ravine
That's good to know!
My main bow is Chiron so that scenario isn't one I run into very often.
naive laurel
Still tho, if u get 100% special dmg bonus from chaos, go into their face and kill them
chiron...it's possible to trigger lightning twice if u got +4 special arrows imo
the normal bow special seems to trigger lightning again on the 8th arrow, which is unfortunate for chiron
earnest ravine
Yeah, but can you IMAGINE if it didn't?
it's too beautiful to be allowed to exist
naive laurel
yeah...that's +480% dmg basically
I mean, I wished it triggers every 3rd arrow or so, like 1st, then 4th, then 7th
Then at least it would be of some value
quartz crow
well i have reached heat 2 on fists and heat one on shield :/ maxed out GM so turning it off when trying to get better. i think i can get through tarterus non boss without taking damage
default hydra is a joke
dense locust
Chiron aspect bow with Flurry Shot and Chain shot hammers, Epic demeter special and rare impending doom. I was trying to darkness farm in hell mode but realized they made it so its pretty useless: https://imgur.com/ne5UC9f
kindred bolt
you just made me feel so much better about my timings
i thought for someone who cleared the game 70 times, 22 minutes for fastest clear is probably sad
dense locust
Ah yeah I don't care much about speed
kindred bolt
me neither
dense locust
It's also the reason I put off tight deadline until over 32 heat
dense locust
So does tight deadline not apply to bosses?
naive laurel
it does
dense locust
Because I've had a run last nearly 20 seconds over the time limit
naive laurel
I got hades with 25s left
dense locust
And on that screen shot it says 0
naive laurel
Depleted when I screenshot maybe
Or, I got it right on the 0:00:00, perhaps
I just hear a bell, screen turns red
then 5s later hades died
so ipresume it's the 30s warning
dense locust
Well thats what i'm saying, I've fought for like at least 10 seconds minimum over the time limit to kill Theseus and they let me keep goijg
dense locust
oooooh wow how did i not know that
naive laurel
so, if u can hard tank it, then u can have some overtime
btw, a vermin hit me for 150 dmg in styx
fun times
1 hit, 150 dmg
who knows the perk elite has is MULTIPLIED on top of hard labor
dense locust
I'm surprised you forego a point into middle management or a point or two into damage control for benefits package or the third point in extreme measures
rich cedar
Gotta see that new content
kindred bolt
im kind of disappointed the new content is till june with this coronavirus and never leaving the house!
i hope they make an update a little sooner because i have no games left
rich cedar
When i see what new update is it doesnt even sound like its that much
kindred bolt
where do you see it?
twin mural
5 hammers across two runs, and still haven't seen flurry jab OR exploding launcher... this game's taunting me
kindred bolt
i tried dead cells, and that game doesn't even compare to this thing, wasn't worth my money
dense locust
Dreamscaper: prologue and West of Dead are some fun free beta roguelites. But there is a lot of playability in this game if you set goals for yourself
kindred bolt
i beat this game 70 times, and my goal was to unlock all my favourite aspects to max upgrades
and i've done that
dense locust
I found Dead Cells great but I find Hades on another level
How about 32 heat all weapons
kindred bolt
i beat dead cells on regular and 1 cell difficulty
i did 32 heat with only the aspect of arthur
dense locust
I'm stuck on 3 cell in dead cells
kindred bolt
if i was gonna try 2 boss cells, that would take me another 5 hours
i really suck at the castle
dense locust
It seems like learning how to parry well with the shield is mandatory for going beyond 3 cells
kindred bolt
I just dont like the idea of grinding the same route to get somewhere since switch terrain will only lower my chances of getting till the end
with enough flasks anyway
dense locust
try doing 32 heat on another weapn
but congrats on 32 heat with arthur, I haven't been able to make it work for me
what was your build?
kindred bolt
either crit or aphro on x, i always get the heal for 2 hp with -60% hp with that weapon
i don't remember the rest, i can check though i think
rich cedar
Next for me is heat 16 bow of zag
dense locust
You beat 32 heat with arthur using the cursed sword hammer? That's hilarious because I can't get arthur to work on 32 heat for me, but I also never touch cursed sword unless i'm on super low heat
kindred bolt
i had athena dash and god mode
to be fair, i got so killed at the beginning and had 0 death defiance till i ran into that guy that refills it
lament coral
yeah, that sounds more like it
kindred bolt
yup it was my second or third try on 32 heat, i got lucky
dense locust
Ahhh god mode
lament coral
makes me wonder if stacking damage resistance is the way to go
force Athena and Aphro for em
kindred bolt
the harder the content is, the more important aphro becomes imo
her attack already has the biggest scaling and she has the best damage reduction in game
dense locust
I'd say a majority of my runs were won stacking damage resistance/dodge (along with athena dash and a call that grans invul)
along with hp
rich cedar
Dodge is just really goo
hermes rare is like 20 %
dodge is just easy to get
aphro 30% dmg reduc and hermes 20 % dodge is already 50 % less dmg
opal bay
that doesn't work that way though?
dodge is more of a chance to not take damage at all, which as much is great caps at certain place I think and doesn't do much against specific attacks.
rich cedar
yes but if you dont take dmg for 20 % of the time
and all the other dmg is reduced by 30 %
that is 50 % less dmg
stable onyx
quartz crow
bricky hasn't played the game again... guess it's onto speedrun watching. does anyone else use this chat for gameplay spoilers?
dense locust
Darkness farming led to a fun and silly build. Another 188% to darkness on top of whats shown. Triple rocket bomb, eris aspect, artemis special: https://imgur.com/vO0Vtq0
quartz crow
how much did hades give you?
lament coral
I kept crapping on Arthur all this time, and then it got me this
https://i.imgur.com/O41dInu.png
dense locust
I thought you couldn't get legendary boons from double boon rooms but I got splitting bolt from one. Maybes it's duos that you cant get
quartz crow
duos between the two
lament coral
you can get legs, you can't get duos of the battling gods
lament coral
for example, if you're in a Zeus/Demeter battle, you can't get the Zeus/Demeter duo boon
dense locust
right
quartz crow
but you can get zues ares
lament coral
you can get other gods' duo boons with em tho
quartz crow
i don't get what theses olympion attacks are
dense locust
i was just under the impression that duos would not appear for either god
dense locust
but that's only due to something someone said when they looked at the code
quartz crow
is it just like our attacks infused with olympian power?
dense locust
but I think I misunderstood them
lament coral
the duos of the battling gods do not appear
ye
@quartz crow what are you talking about?
quartz crow
thessus
dense locust
Is it like our taxes are infused with olympian power
quartz crow
cause all of the attacks are practically the same in pattern
lament coral
they're all circles but they're definitely not the same
silk sigil
just finished a good run myself
quartz crow
you don't see him getting impervious from athena
dense locust
honestly, taking that legendary from chaos isn't necessarily the go to choice there
quartz crow
they all feel so similar
lament coral
do you want him to become impervious? Poison, doom, and crit you?
lament coral
each call has a different pattern
quartz crow
yah but they arn't the same as trials
lament coral
you'd get creamed if he used the same kind of call you get
dense locust
Only because facing 77% foes can be a nightmare, and if you can easily pass 4 rounds without using attack. 70 health is huge, or if you do rely on attack, taking that buff to attack could be very strong.
lament coral
and trials are harder, too, because you fight regular enemies
quartz crow
idk what extreme measures does to them
lament coral
not a boss that's invulnerable from the front
dense locust
each point of extreme measures makes the boss of each level harder
respectively
wait or is that the mini boss one
lament coral
does to whom? EM only changes bosses
quartz crow
it's supposed to give new attacks
dense locust
Okay yeah
lament coral
did you miss the golden chariot and 80 damage bombs?
rich cedar
actually aphro + 20 dodge isonly 44 % dmg reduction just did the math
dense locust
so then 1 point changes the first boss into a harder version, 2 points changes both the first and 2nd, and 3 points changes the first 3 bosses into harder version
lament coral
well, touch it then! You'll see what changes right away
quartz crow
nah im not good enough
lament coral
but it's awesome, dude
quartz crow
i want to try no dmg in tarturus
dense locust
There is a stipulation on damage reduction vs dodge
dense locust
not all attacks can be dodged using the "dodge" mechanic, whereas all attacks will be reduced by damage reduction
quartz crow
all attacks can be dodged
lament coral
no
quartz crow
i mean dash
lament coral
ye
dense locust
It can get confusing, that's why I tried to clarify by specifying the dodge mechanic
quartz crow
dodge chance makes the most sense imo
but dodge should work since the other is known as dashing
lament coral
I do feel that all attacks should be dodgeable though
quartz crow
i hope the game doesn't lag again
what isn't dodgeable?
aoe on ground?
makes sense cause you can't block that with shield
lament coral
yeah, like Hydra's slam
you can block it
you need to be facing the center of the impact
quartz crow
i did find you can block it but if you stay in the same spot he ends up bypassing your block
so you can block meg's floor is lava?
lament coral
not sure, probably not since the damage in the circle doesn't spread from the middle
static prawn
just tried EM 3... got some dd wiped pretty fast on hydra, but I did survive only to find the Asterius miniboss encounter: also affected by EM 3! Barely survived that, clawed up to the actual boss fight and died. So that was fun.
Didn't help I only had two actual attack boons either
twin mural
am i still doing something wrong for orpheus and sisyphus' favors?
they're maxed out on nectar but i can't gift them ambrosia
same for meg, i can't get her companion yet
static prawn
maybe? As long as Nyx has new things to say each time there's a chance the requirements have been met, but other dialogue takes priority
twin mural
well i guess i can keep at it
static prawn
It may also be tied to Euridice and how much nectar they've been given
twin mural
now to just continue tearing my hear out trying to get flurry jab...
she's maxed too
as much as possible
static prawn
I just did the quest an hour ago, so lucky coincidence
Both Sis and Orph, can be done side by side as I've seen so it isn't about the order
dense locust
The music that plays when fighting theseus just brings me right into DOOM
twin mural
yeah it's really just e1m1 lmao
static prawn
It just confuses me why the track named The King and the Bull is not their theme
dense locust
For real, pretty sure he's not trying to hide the influence
lol i gotta go listen to that one, not sure what it is
static prawn
Oh wait, I think they just did one of those split tracks
quartz crow
oof
static prawn
like wreched shades where one is for Sisyphus and the other for an infernal trove
quartz crow
died to tisp with no mirror
twin mural
it is their theme though
it's just, sometimes the elysium track can play for them too
quartz crow
on last phase though
quartz crow
im going through each maxed aspect ignoring companions cause forget em and ignoring keepsakes cause so close to maxing them (all are less than 20)
twin mural
ugghhh i really wish there was some kind of bad luck protection to prevent non-new daedalus upgrades from popping up so often
how does stubborn defiance work with patroclus' first boon?
twin mural
oh wait it says what it does
more hp restored on stubborn defiance
... it's something i guess
twin mural
O O F
quartz crow
if you have all DDs filled his top choice is useless
alecto ended the zag spear no mirror
quartz crow
keep forgetting pets exist but i beat meg no mirror zag shield wooo
now to see if she has dialogue...
nothing
. . .
rich cedar
well
take 1 did it
title: decathele
I think that is maybe from dashing alot
@dense locust What aspect do you use on the bow+
dense locust
Chiron
If I'm getting serious
although Zag has potential
If you get the right hammers
rich cedar
I dont understand what you can combo with Chiron
is it only Demeter and the chill blast boon?
So you stack up 10 chill fast for the blast?
rich cedar
apparentlty no
quartz crow
it was godmode cause farming but there's a selling boons title called purger or something
If you start with butterfly then swap to something else do you keep the bonuses but they're hidden?
weak rivet
You don't
weak rivet
Can't cheat death like that
quartz crow
how is that cheating death?
rich cedar
Because you get it from than (death)
hybrid galleon
man thats one more point of you should never get zeus
quartz crow
?
well was asking cause first feedback already existed and the next partly existed
i think it sucks you have to stick with one keepsake to keep the bonus
rich cedar
Yeah it kinda sucks
quartz crow
except for certain ones ofc
for instance if you picked collar wouldn't you lose 50hp when you swap it?
rich cedar
Esp because plume is very Hard to tigger after tart
quartz crow
maybe they should increase the timer like they do for timed rooms
30 secs per zone
so styx would be... 2 mins nah that's prob too fast
reactions arn't showing up in feedback
now it did. is it not a bot?
not a bot
you'd think a bot was doing it
turbid needle
the bot is offline for now 🥺
quartz crow
2 people are prob minmaxers
cunning urchin
9 win streak. I've definitely improved a lot overall.
gray lintel
which one are those again
i like the more legendary/duo perks along with the more epic perks
latent junco
that's what i was thinking
cunning urchin
Rare+ and Epic+ for me.
I guess it depends on the build you want though. If it relies on Duo Boons, go with that.
This one was a lot of fun. https://imgur.com/a/ZmDnz52
rich cedar
lol nice
gray lintel
cluster bomb is crazy
dusky grove
kinda limited to close and mid range but good overall
gray lintel
long range it's still useful for crowd control
also I think due to how damage work it's a very minor damage drop?
it's additive, not multiplicative
so that's only -10% damage from your setup
cunning urchin
Yeah, crowd control with the slow effect was great.
latent junco
hey guys
so, i looked it up on the wiki but, the fish in ||chaos'|| realm is 2% to appear. Guess how long it took me to get it?
1 try with the story-given fishing buff
as soon as i entered, there it was
and i also had to go based off of sound because the camera was at a very bad angle lol, still got it
brave dune
I still haven't gotten one of those 😦
dusky grove
I think it's pre-determined that you got your chaos fish on your fishing run ?
dusky grove
I got mine like how you did
brave dune
Well I mean Poseidon's buff is 20% so 22% isn't that bad
That's a guranteed spot in five chambers
dusky grove
about 30+ chambers rn and no sight
latent junco
The sooner to catch the fish, the higher rarity the fish will be. The time window of fishing is:
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. 5% chance to catch a Legendary fish
0.34 second to 0.68 second: Good catch. 5% chance to catch a Rare fish.
After 1 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.
i didn't know the faster you press the E button when it submerges, the more chance for a rare or legendary fish
though i always do press it instantly
gray lintel
sobs in boomer reflexes
dusky grove
first time i got one, i had to wait for like minutes because i missed the flash
thought about how realistic fishing is in Hades XD
latent junco
minutes? once it's too late, you can't get it at all anymore
naive tusk
You also have to take into account the condition that if you find a fishing spot, no other fishing spot can appear until you pass through at least 10 chambers
latent junco
oh really?
i did not know that
i knew it was not just my bad luck
how do i complete ||The Useless Trinket|| prophecy?
naive tusk
That's the Prophecy about ||Skelly's statues|| right?
If so, ||complete a run with at least 8 heat||
latent junco
wtf, Chaos just told me "Follow my voice" when i am not even in the gate
latent junco
the hell man
dusky grove
DO IT
dusky grove
nothing will happen
naive tusk
I think that the game still considers it as it having appeared
Regardless if you fish or not
lament coral
I noticed that the fishing spot in Styx keeps reappearing if you don't take it after entering the main room
dusky grove
ah yes
lament coral
and if you use, it stops
naive tusk
Then either, the game doesn't consider the spot if you didn't fish or Styx' case would be because of its past scenario where you could fish multiple times
Not really sure, but I do remember a data miner saying that if you do fish, a spot won't appear until you pass through at least 10 chambers
I will be paying more attention to that since I don't fish anymore haha
lament coral
I see, that is good to know. Though, I assume Poseidon's fishing boon overrides this?
dusky grove
dang
poseidon's fishing boon only increases the chance of which one will spawn
not the "cooldown" of spawning
naive tusk
Not sure about Poseidon's Huge Catch either. In the files, it states that it will raise the chance of a fishing spot appearing by 20%
I don't know if it ignores the condition, and you could fish multiple times ignoring the conditions
FishingTrait =
{
InheritFrom = { "ShopTier3Trait" },
RequiredFalseTrait = "FishingTrait",
RequiredTextLines = { "PoseidonFishQuest01" },
Icon = "Boon_Poseidon_13",
FishingPointChanceBonus = 0.2,
DisableFishRequirements = true,
},
It states "disable fish requirements" so maaaybe it does ignore it
naive tusk
I just took a peek into the fishing scripts
dusky grove
and?
naive tusk
I didn't understand it 😂
naive tusk
I think the best bet to get fishing spots is getting Poseidon's Huge Catch, seeing as it raises the probability by a lot and possibly ignores the requirements
dusky grove
ah yes, very helpful XD
naive tusk
Uncle Poseidon is love 💙
I know some will come with their pitchforks and torches at me
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite >
dusky grove
that's zag for you :>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513633140653293707/699999578736427158/unknown.png
Went on a rando and picked up a ballistic one :>
still no artermis attack 😩
1k9 without crit
now that's going straight to my bookmark
cunning urchin
Last Hera run I did, Artemis showed up exactly two times . . .
latent junco
killed the final boss and when i went through the door and died, Chaos said "Most Interesting"
he was talking to me quite a few times, i would imagine through the shield the whole run
cunning urchin
Chaos Shield, yeah.
latent junco
i like how i can get into the broker's shop box he is stuck in lol
proven tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/700012432369909801/unknown.png
close enough
1 hp left after defeating final boss
cunning urchin
Oh wow, very nice!
latent junco
hey guys
did you notice that chamber 51 is the final boss fight? If my theory is correct, you may be able to find fish in the room
there is water there after all
dusky grove
well my final is 69 so.... 😂
latent junco
yes, but i thought of it like this
chamber 1 can have a fishing spot, right?
every 10 has another
if you can land it just right, chamber 51 could have a fishing spot since it has water
dusky grove
I can confirm
latent junco
does it really?
dusky grove
on my first hades defeat, i caught a fish there ?
I cant remember which kind of fish
but there was definately a spot
latent junco
i would love to catch an exclusive to the outside world fish in the final boss fight room
dusky grove
it's that or it's just the examine thingy
dunno
But i think it would be a styx kind since overworld fish havent been impletmented yet
naive tusk
I think it's the "Examine" since people have been requesting non stop that let there be a fishing spot in that room lol
round summit
My first Chaos' fishing spot, I lost the fish for being to anxious about it
I threw the bait, and the first time it "shook" I pressed E really fast
i would love to catch an exclusive to the outside world fish in the final boss fight room
literally catching an boot
the legendary fish of the Surface
gives you 10 nectar OR + 1 Obol next run
naive tusk
I can relate to being anxious like that 
dusky grove
round summit
But it would break the game after some time
Arthur would literally be unstoppable
and Guan Yu would have no downsides
dusky grove
Guan yu just need life steal, :>
round summit
also the mirror upgrade that gives +50hp would be bad
Guan yu just need life steal, :>
I need to practice more of the life steal, I completed a run with him and still can't land it properly
latent junco
run with who and can't land what properly?
proven tartan
i would love to catch an exclusive to the outside world fish in the final boss fight room
@latent junco
i meant sometimes, with a small chance, after defeating the final boss, fishspot can spawn.
latent junco
ah, ok
proven tartan
10% chance should be ok
cunning urchin
Get Quick Spin and either Athena, Aphrodite, or Demeter attack on Guan Yu. Those are all really good.
dusky grove
I need to practice more of the life steal, I completed a run with him and still can't land it properly
@round summit
I think there are also boons that help with the passive too ?
round summit
run with who and can't land what properly?
I made a run with Guan Yu, can't land his Life Steal properly
dusky grove
I mean if you want to have a better time, use crit
round summit
I think there are also boons that help with the passive too ?
They do help, but they're hard to find without keepsake
dusky grove
always bum into one but i never need 😛
round summit
I mean if you want to have a better time, use crit
Isn't the life steal capped at 1hp/hit?
round summit
the crit is for big numbers
but big numbers -> less healing
tepid ridge
Ya I tried my first run with Guan Yu last night and hated it. Got athena’s dash, quick and massive spin, crit on attack and still felt like the game just wasn’t balanced for you to have that low of HP and regenerate so little across bosses. The regen spin feels so frail with only 1 regained.
My problem was more with how I had it upgraded to level 4. Weapons should be reasonably viable across all aspect levels, not just after you’ve invested 15 titan’s blood.
lament coral
it heals on each hit, and it hits multiple times, and it can hit multiple enemies
tepid ridge
There is only one enemy to hit in most bosses.
lament coral
that's why I like Athena attack on it
dusky grove
you can force aprodite and choose her healing boon
lament coral
throw the spin and you're invulnerable in it
everything inside gets deflected
I understand people preferring Aphro or Artemis for damage, but Athena is the safety king for me
or queen
gray lintel
afaik guan yu is independent of damage, it's just 1 health per hit and hits twice a second
round summit
you can force aprodite and choose her healing boon
or Demeter
lament coral
yeah, you want Demeter's, not Aphro's
gray lintel
if I remember correctly aphrodite is max life gain, not healing
lament coral
yep
dusky grove
forgot srry
round summit
I just completed the run with Guan Yu after leveling it up to lvl 5 with the Titan Blood I was saving for the next new Aspect
tepid ridge
My problem isn’t that the weapon is bad, it can actually get broken and fun (I like the idea of invulnerability tornado) but GY is so wildly unreliably effective that it feels unbalanced. You kind of have to fully upgrade it and then get a specific attack boon+quick spin
lament coral
you can fall onto the special if you don't get quick spin
special charge alone can win you the game
cunning urchin
I think it's pretty good even at Lv.1 to be honest.
round summit
the most reliable way to do a Guan Yu run is to keep spamming Special
latent junco
wow i have never been so angry, i lost all 3 death defiances in one room
round summit
and heal in easy chambers
gray lintel
Guan Yu rewards not getting hit. You'll have a better time with it if you have better game sense and just like
don't get hit
lament coral
nah, the 70% something HP reduction is ridiculous
round summit
like trying to heal with flamewheels or vermins
lament coral
if the spin was fast by default, sure
but since you have to rely on hammer RNG, nuh-uh
lament coral
that's at lvl 5
mighty ermine
i really didn't want to phrase it that way but it's basically true. guan yu is very good but you can't afford to be taking hits more than very occasionally
tepid ridge
Ah yes, the advice to just git gud, every weapon rewards not getting hit lmao
mighty ermine
trying to get heals during bosses isn't so much a concern as downing them quickly so you won't have to get to that point
gray lintel
the health reduction can effectively be ignored if you focus on it's sustain
round summit
Ah yes, git gud, every weapon rewards not getting hit lmao
Shield is literally just that
gray lintel
i mean, guan yu is rewarding not getting hit but moreso
You're either taking more damage than you heal, in which case it's terrible.
Or you're taking less damage than you heal, in which case it's great.
round summit
the health reduction can effectively be ignored if you focus on it's sustain
you can guarantee a good GY run only if you keep looking for healing, which makes you sacrifice many boons
latent junco
hey guys, when i beat arterius in single combat, when i get to the duo fight i noticed he has lower hp, is that correct?
lament coral
@round summit that's not true at all
mighty ermine
the health risk is roughly balanced out by its extremely solid damage output
gray lintel
it also has good damage yeah but
lament coral
I've been running GY with maxed out Lasting Consequences since it came out and it's great
dusky grove
@latent junco yes asterius does have lower hp if you beat him in a mini boss chamber