#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 470

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 2:00 PM

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elysium just has too much bullmanure that draws out time

clear dome Apr 12, 2020, 2:00 PM

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you mean by bullfeces?

cosmic shadow Apr 12, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Man, Ares cast + twin shot is nothing short of an obscenity

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what a ridiculous combo

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it gets even more absurd with the dual, shame I never got the legendary though

twin mural Apr 12, 2020, 2:27 PM

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wait, are rush kick and flying cutter incompatible with aspect of talos? i could've sworn i saw a video where those two were together

proud storm Apr 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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rush kick cant be used with talos aspect

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not sure about the other but it might as well be the same

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Aphrodite loves me

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She just gave me unhealthy fixation and even offered me a trade for her Heartbreak Special

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on my bow

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I just watched the Elysium boss fight itself out

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 2:45 PM

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https://imgur.com/6skWL3i

Imgur

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the 6k crit build

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the backstab is ridiculous lmao

stiff flume Apr 12, 2020, 2:50 PM

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😩 👌

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arthur gang

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I didn't get the weak extender

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but holy

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285% backstab damage

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then clean kill

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then heart rend

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imagine if I got Patty

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that's just a normal jerky

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Why not put shawl on haha

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:48 PM

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shawl numbers is too small

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it's additive so...

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:49 PM

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whats a good keepsake to combo with rail?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:50 PM

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stats keepsakes are generally bad IMO

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so it depends on the build you want

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God's keepsakes that you want to have

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or if you use attack/Cast focused build I love Charon pendant

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because that one can extend jerky and braids

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or prometheus stone

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but I usually take it last before styx

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Yeah Charon ive had success with

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Also realy like starting out with chaos keepsake

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to rack it up

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I barely take Chaos Keepsakes anymore unless I run high confidence

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or get a chaos gate in charon well

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:55 PM

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if u have good amount of efficient health and some weak/dmg reduction, the bracer is very good aince dmg reduction stacks with increasing return I think, Ofc weak ia different, but still helps

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:55 PM

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tbh if I wanted survival

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either broken spearpoint or the acorn

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broken spear point really helps with DPS enemies like snakestone since you can't effectively dodge them

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:56 PM

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bracer is better than spearpoint for me at this moment, cuz snakestone ain't too much of a problem for me usually

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:56 PM

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stacks with increasing return = stacks additively or stacks additively with upside?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:57 PM

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hades hit u for 30 and 50 is very different, and if 20? ohh face tank time

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yeah

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aphrodite is in my opinion the strongest booner

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:57 PM

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i think dmg reduction is additively but have to ways of reducting

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1 is weak, it's on the dmg giver

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1 is bronze skin/different league/positive outcome/bracer

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on u, the receiver

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I often give him too much damage with the first condition

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so avoiding damage entirely is better

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lmao

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:58 PM

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depends

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:58 PM

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that's why I love ruthless reflex

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because damage is good

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but dodge chance is hella spicy

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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it is likely that the trigger of 1.5s impervious is usually just wasted if u are good enough I'd say

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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especially with the fist

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no I meant the acorn

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the spearpoint barely helps with Hades

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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acorn is another thing ofc

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Is dodge chance also additive

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like if i have 15 from gloves

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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yeah it is

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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25 from hermes

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15 from plume

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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kinda, which is why I go for glove dodge and hermes all the time

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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is that 55 dodge chance?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I don't recommend plume too much 2bh tho

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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yeah

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and if you have ruthless

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you can completely matrix dodge

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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oh wait

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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My only glove win was with plume

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What is ruthless?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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they stack dimishingly

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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ruthless reflex

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i think it was said before

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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what is that

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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if you dash right before you got hit, you gain a buff

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Is it really additive? I remember someone saying that despite almost reaching (or actually reaching) 100% dodge chance, they were still taking some hits

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I wish there was somewhere to check if things are additive or multiplicative

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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50% damage up and 50% dodge iirc

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Or maybe there's a cap

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I think there's a cap

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Is ruthless reflex good in any build?

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I mainly play bow and the double dash is critical

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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if u have 15% dodge from fist, 25% dodge from hermes, 50% dodge from ruthless, your actually dodge chance is
1-(1-15%) * (1-25%) * (1-50%)

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not additive, but still increase efficient health all the same

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69% dodge, actually

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Oh, let me get a calculator

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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nice

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Ruthless Reflex is mainly used for the damage imo

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Maybe I will try max dodge with ruthless and plume gloves

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I got like 5k crit from Excalibur

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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ruthless against hades is a gamble

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Idk if we can drop youtube link here but I can upload the run I did just now

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I used Ruthless + arthur

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:03 PM

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if u don't get extra dash on meeting hades, u'll have a bad time

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and yes the birds are singing

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:03 PM

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The flowers are wilting

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:03 PM

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0.68125 which means 68.125% dodge chance

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Wowzers

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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On nights like these, miscreants like you

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Throws off cloak,
Should go back home.

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Hey let my questionable rounding work it out ok dusa

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Is it day or night by the time we exit Styx?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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https://youtu.be/hxc16IOivRE

YouTube

Dat Vu

Hades 14 Heat run Arthur aspect (Heart Rend + Deadly Reversal)

Triple A (Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite) build with Ruthless Reflex can get you upward 3k crit, and with Shadow Slash backstab it can get to 6k sometimes.

Pretty bonkers damage.

▶ Play video

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Here

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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maybe high noon

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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The thing with Hades is that if you have 100 % dodge you dont need to dash out of his spin

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I am still getting used to ruthless

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I was just curious, sorry 😅

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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So it might look noobish lmao

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I think it's nighttime because you can see the moon reflected on the lake

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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its funny so many people have affinity with different weaposn

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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there's no getting use to ruthless, only getting hit dusa

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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they really made alot of play styles viable

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Ah...

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it looks so bright!

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Well Hades always say

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Dusa best romance option

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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It's a cold winter night

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New Year eve

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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True

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...I think?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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And even one dialouge where Zag says

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Do you guys think ||Persophone|| even wants to see zag again

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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"Why do we always fight at cold night"

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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maybe shes like "your just like your father" and then she leaves

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lol who is this guy styxbot who downvotes everyone in suggestions

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what a hatetr

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Remember to be careful with spoilers~

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Uh

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either it's the literal bot

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...there's no one else named StyxBot

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Styxbot is just there to offer the option in case anyone wishes to upvote or downvote on something squirtyay

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:09 PM

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it's literally the bot downvoting everyone

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what?

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................................oh

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I'm dumb

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oh I get the joke

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damn

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Oh well time for another run

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heat 8 with cornacht attempt #1

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:10 PM

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getting close to 25 on shield and fist, but other 4 weapons are indeed a chore

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I'm getting better at Rail tho, Not always relying on special anymore

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:11 PM

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speckle

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Rail best build is unironcially dash attack'

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but it will be nerfed soon I think

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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dash Spread attack*

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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o o f

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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yeah

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that's what I meant

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Say how does Hestia work with the shotgun?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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nothing

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the first shot is still the sniper shot

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but the rest is spread shot

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:12 PM

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w

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weird

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:13 PM

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like Hestia just overwrite the effect

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:13 PM

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_<

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That's dumb

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Does the hammer even effect % damage?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:14 PM

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what do you mean

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:15 PM

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my run with hestia +200% dash attack dmg ended up a failure due to the lack of fast aoe, So aoe cast prob is necessary for it

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Is it one of those hammers adds %damage

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Like the Stygian Blade's chop hammer

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or the Bow's Piercing Shot

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or Demeter, Poseidon, or Athena's boons

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:16 PM

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you mean like World Splitter?

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they affect the base damage

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then you calculate with boons

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Does the Shotgun Hammer do this?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:16 PM

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basically if you have 50% attack up from athena or sth

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then you get world splitter which deals 90 dmg

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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tiktaktiktak

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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you get 135

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oh

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shot gun does

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Ah, it just does 50 base

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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like the base is 50 right

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then you add %

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Hm...

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You'd think Hestia would at least have a shorter range

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:17 PM

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also

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spreadfire DOES NOT change the base damage of Hestia's sniper shot

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as far as I know

sullen valley Apr 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I knoooow and it suuuuuuuuuuucks

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:42 PM

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lol i have twinshot + explosive shot now

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thats alotta dmg

pastel jolt Apr 12, 2020, 4:43 PM

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twin shot shadelove

orchid cypress Apr 12, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Hello, when I get a chaos boon that adds +50% more ATK dmg

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does it pair up with a boon like Zeus?

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or is it just brut damage

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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no just raw damage

orchid cypress Apr 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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raw ok

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thx 😢

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

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flat damage stuff doesn't scale with anything but boons or talent that increases any damage

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like family favorite etc

orchid cypress Apr 12, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I see

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thx

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 4:54 PM

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okay got through elysium

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äll my death defiant active

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lets see if i get lucky with the sack

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 4:57 PM

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My own experience is, manipulate sack room probability

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fight elite wing first, then normal wing

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cuz elite wing final room is easier imo

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and first wing fought never contains sack

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so, replacing a normal wing end room with the sack room imo is better

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ofc, unless u got middle management, in that case, they are pretty even

solid cairn Apr 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Should I make a tiermaker for the daedalus hammer upgrades

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

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aww you cant post pictures in here?

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well i killed Hades

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on heat 8

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with cornach

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twin shot + explosive shot is insane combo

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probably the best you can hope for

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i use aspect of zarg

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for more crits

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i think middle management

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is probably the easiest pact to have on

lament coral Apr 12, 2020, 5:08 PM

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you have to upload pictures elsewhere, like imgur.com, and then just post the link here

solid cairn Apr 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I wish zag bow was better

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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its really good!

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i did 700 dmg shots with it

solid cairn Apr 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Maybe I’ll give it another try

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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https://imgur.com/MANQyHu

Imgur

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pretty proud of that run

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Looks pretty good

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I bet artemis call feels good isn't it

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 5:20 PM

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yeah

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when you got it maxed out

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Middle Management is whatever tbh

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Sometimes it's really hard

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Sometimes it doesn't matter

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:30 PM

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medusa and skull crasher mini boss fight with middle management and +40% FO

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can take 2 dd away

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:30 PM

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That fight I solely rely on meg to nuke both of them

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So having the head teleport around is really bad

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:31 PM

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normal fight is ez af

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:31 PM

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On the other hand, the butterfly ball is practically free

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:31 PM

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yep

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Sometimes I feel like I prefer forced overtime on

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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the fact that the skullcrasher go to air 40% faster while u need to dodge the stump and the wave both

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Because in larger rooms in Elysium

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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usually means u cannot do anything

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with melee weapon

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Enemies move faster so they close on you faster

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You get kills faster

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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what does hydra fight do when you upgrade him?

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Smaller platform

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More lava

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Moveset doesn't change

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i recommend not trying 40% overtime with 20 flame wheels

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Those lil things are annoying failbag

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Imagine accidentally got stuck in uneven map boundaries and take 5x12 dmg

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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EM Hydra changes the stage into islands, the main head being in the center of the room. Its other heads will spawn near the borders of the island

olive badge Apr 12, 2020, 6:07 PM

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As I said, smaller platform and more lavas

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residentzag

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I lost too many DDs to the EM2 Hydra

tepid ridge Apr 12, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Also I believe the Hydra’s central head detaches and can follow you around better, but I don’t know if that’s still in, it’s just what I’ve heard.

restive widget Apr 12, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Any opinions on the obviously strong aspect on each weapon?]

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looking to spend some blood 🙂

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Holy, I just lost 2 dd to asphodel middle management mini boss again

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flipping 40% global skull crash

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Patroclus saves funs, literally

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Went from 160 max health no dd to 299 3 dd, thanks gto patroclus and life affirmation in asphdel

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AND I GOT FULLY LOADED W/ STYGIAN SOUL AFTER PATCH, FINALLY

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last artemis boon

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Ive never been able to get that

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boon tree too complicated

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:34 PM

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need both exit wounds and double cast

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and i got them both, epic rarity too iirc

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https://imgur.com/fK4ER55

Imgur

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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its a sick legendary bruh

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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That's a juicy selection screen ngl

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Support fire is so bad though lol

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Made for like gloves only

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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glove and rail

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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yeah rail prolly

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I have full cast build so, u know

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easy fuly loaded

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time to melt hades again

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Put some distant memory on

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:37 PM

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too late, already styx :p

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holy hades have like, 20 cast stones in him

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i'm literally seeing him dying to exit wounds

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 6:39 PM

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@restive widget All Aspects can be good. It's a matter of which one you prefer playstyle wise squirtyay

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Yay

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:40 PM

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reading up on EM 3 is wild

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Here
https://clips.twitch.tv/WittyGracefulJamPRChase
U guys should all enjoy the sheer amount of cast stone in hades bringing u joy

Twitch

5 cast stone stygian soul - Clip of soledad630 - Twitch Clips

Clip of soledad630 Playing Hades - Clipped by soledad630

▶ Play video

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 6:49 PM

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You haaaave Poseidon's Aid and I love you for that friendly

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:50 PM

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its just a better athena aid

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wow you are attacking fast

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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hey, 3 weeks addicted to this game has to count for something right :p

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I actually got poseidon keepsake for either cast, or in this case, backup plan, call

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and i got a base cast from ares, and replaced it with artemis rare

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and then comes the full cast blast build

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Ares is so bad

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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nah

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I still dont have impending doom

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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u need a duo boon

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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it takes like 4 boons to get there

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buyt i dont want to do ares runs

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hes the worst

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I feel like hes just so boring

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what are good duos with him?

restive widget Apr 12, 2020, 6:58 PM

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people seem to like hunting blades (artemis duo)

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thanks for the input, @naive tusk

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:03 PM

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On a side note, what do u guys think about a rework of dire misfortune into something like this.

Each time u apply a doom affect to a foe that already has doom effect, immediately trigger the existing doom effect and do 7/10/13/17% of its dmg.

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:04 PM

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That's actually Merciful End's effect except with a different damage value hehe

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And, well, you trigger it with Deflect rather than another Doom

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:05 PM

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yeah, which imo should be the case

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but, it only does a fraction of its dmg cuz u applies another doom effect

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Unless I'm missing a hidden strat with it 👀

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Merciful End with Impending Doom

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Yeah...I only took it on the old school chaoes shield mass doom

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:06 PM

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or that stacking Doom effect is fine too

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Oh wait

restive widget Apr 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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any build recommendations for chaos aspect on shield?

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I think I mistook the names OMG

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I was thinking of Dire Misfortune

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Ignore what I said earlier XD

restive widget Apr 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I just had one with Ares, but took so long to build into a useful dmg

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Dire Misfortune is stacking effect

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:08 PM

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my other idea is that :

Each time u apply a doom affect to a foe that already has doom effect, immediate do 4/6/8/10% of the to-be-applied doom effect dmg instead.

Dire misfortune, ofc

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Yes, now I remember. What you said about Merciful End + Impending Doom is actually a good combo

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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but idk, I kinda don't want to play with Doom effect that much unless it's some infrequent attacks

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Infrequent attacks suits %more, so...doom is awkward

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cuz infrequent attacks are rarely low base dmg

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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yes and no imo

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Dire Misfortune is the boon I was thinking about when I said it should be looked at

turbid needle Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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how do u farm for titan blood apart from pact of punishments

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 PM

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ofc you can do it on something like GY spear basic attack

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you buy it?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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there's no "farm" as it's not limitless from pact

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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1.5k gold a piece on Styx sometimes

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Or look for a good broker bargain

turbid needle Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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mhmm

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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This works too

turbid needle Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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so mostly from pacts

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:10 PM

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imo, if u wanna "farm", farm nectar, keys and gems instead

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and trade up using good trades from broker, or normal trade up

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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personally, I take Doom effect on some basic attacks like GY Spear or Poseidon Sword

turbid needle Apr 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i just go artemis zeus athena on twin fists

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its my main set up

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Actually, Curse of Pain on Aspect of Poseidon doesn't sound bad at all

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Since you only use it in intervals

turbid needle Apr 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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what are good combinations for shield

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i feel like its the easiest weapon buti dont use itthatmuch

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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@glossy plaza imo if i would take doom on those, I'd also be planning on geting % on them by chaoes

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I prefer some nova hammer upgrades and use like Demeter or Aphro boon on Special instead

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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but it's not reliable

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i mean chaoes %, ofc

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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idc, I rarely basic attack with them, it's a way for me to weave in damage in my rotation of flurry casting and special spamming

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Ahh, in that case, then it's just the play style

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i just maximize dmg as much as possible on the fly, and doom usually fixs the style into 1 end

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:14 PM

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that's how I maximize my damage

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and it works

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so

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I can plan, but the plan usually becomes joke cuz rngesus, so

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I don't even know what I do 99% of the time but if my 14 win streak means anything then it means I'm getting better than before even on 15+ heat on all weapons

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I do stuff and it just happens to work :3

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I'm entering 20 and + rn, so it probably won't work for me

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and it's flipping hell mode so, welp, there are 4 things i don't like applied already i can't change

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I have only finished spear, shield and sword all the way to 25 so

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Good luck 🍀

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I'm also on Hell Mode, it doesn't make a difference now tbh

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I SWEAR IF FLIPPING GREAT SHIELD DOES ME DIRTY AGAIN

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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since they nerf the cap on mirror

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Hell Mode is basically the same as normal

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nothing is "harder" per se

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not that I can see anyways

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:18 PM

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guanyu is way harder 2bh

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the personal shield triggers a lot on guanyu

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:18 PM

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eventually you just go hitless, only basic/special, 1 ruthless dash on final boss when you are good enough

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what personal shield?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:19 PM

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grace shield on getting huge dmg hit

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:19 PM

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oh that's a normal run thing, idk

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just don't get hit then :)

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https://i.imgur.com/88fIO74.png

Imgur

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there's your hitless final boss 32 heat, GY run

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eventually you just get good enough that the lack of the shield doesn't affect you

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Oh I won't bet on getting spin every time I start a run 2bh

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I didn't

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it just happens

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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yeah I don't reset runs either too, this actually looks like a result of reseting into something one wants

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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I don't either xD

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the run had no hammer until Elysium

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it was solely luck

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Oh u don't have 40% overtime on....

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ofc not getting hit is way easier, jez

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:22 PM

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ofc I don't, I'm not a masochist

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Hey I can dash avoid hades in 40% :p

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into his spin

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not out of

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let's get 20% and 40% some more heat then since u guys treat it like 15 heat worth difficulty lul

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I'd rather do every other heat pact than forced overtime

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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(I do think it is that much heat difficulty)

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I only play w/ 40% forced OT now

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cuz it's a whole new difficulty feel to me

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but u know, rage moments

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:24 PM

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then that's your call, not like I have something to prove

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Hey, one day I'll get a no hit on hades in 40% ot :p

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:25 PM

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if I can just run only 40% FO again then yea, I did that b4

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on 50% even

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b4 the nerf to FO

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Seriously tho, they should make it somewhere like, 10% per rank, 3 heat per rank

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50% max

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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but that's my point

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in a vacuum, it isn't that harder per se

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when combined with everything else will that be harder

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I have more trouble in Elysium than Styx on FO

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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2bh, "just dodge" argument can be used in other situations too

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if we need to argue that for reals

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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the hardest boss when on FO is Elysium buffed boss

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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32 heat +40% ot extra heat? "Just dodge"

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:27 PM

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not the final boss

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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ugh, that's true

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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again, you don't have to do FO for 32 heat

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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but final also is tanky

glossy plaza Apr 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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tank doesn't mean anything if it's a 1v1 I feel

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Bullcharge is scarier than anything Hades do

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I'll someday try every other condition except OT

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like, 50 heat w/o ot, lul

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well, 45 i guess

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Whati have most problem wit

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is hades double spin

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get sme every time

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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u mean triple?

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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yeah the second life thing

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where he just spins and spins and spins

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Oh that, if u meet that more, u'll see the telegraphing of him

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and just dash reverse in direction of his intended march direction

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:40 PM

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welp hades feedback reminds me of ror2's...
a meme
toxic
voting never works
you always have people not taking things seriously

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or is cast regen not a good idea that it deserves 5 dislikes

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*cast recall

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nobody would use the thing because it bugs out

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fix the bug atleast SG

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discord is just nothing but memes

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Please don't take it badly. Everyone has their own judgement, experiences and opinions. The votes just reflect how it resonates with others

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:44 PM

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They probably should add a 🧐 for a neutral vote imo

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rn neutral vote usually means no vote, which is not good

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:45 PM

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i still think it's not serious

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i looked at some others and pointless things have a bunch of likes

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like a comment about music or something

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Well, if it's any consolation, I think devs when looking at the feedbacks, doesn't consider votes, iirc

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:46 PM

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they prioritize atleast

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bet some just flat out ignore the heavy dislikes but then devs tend to be smart so 🤷‍♂️

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Then it's a test of your interpersonal skills, how to get more likes w/ better wording, more constructive proposition, etc

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There's always good suggestion lost in the duration of poor presentation

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yah learned what a community manager does. (still think they are more respectful than mods even though they tech are mods)

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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The cast does recall though after a certain time?

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And even if it doesn't, the recall is Hermes' legendary boon..

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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no pretty sure it's after an encounter so it's a handicap

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a legendary boon to fix a handicap?

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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No it does recall to you during the fight after some time

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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that's kind of dumb

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well one way to find out

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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There's a orange timer around it that happens

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after it completes, the bloodstone gets recalled

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Hermes just makes it recall instantly so you don't need to pick it up

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:51 PM

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oh btw i just encountered a bug (forgot about report button) where voices didn't happen until one of zag's dialogues popped up

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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The recall is too long 2bh, which usually means if cast is your main dmg source, u are f'd

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Uh well then bug report it? I don't think you need to get the exact moment of the bug if you word it properly..

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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but tht also goes into the territory of "why the f does it end there, how can i avoid that as much as possible"

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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happend again so reported

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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What bug were you talking about with the bloodstones?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/698377127858536540/unknown.png

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is that what the ring around it means?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:54 PM

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yes

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:54 PM

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that it's getting ready to return?

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:54 PM

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but it appears after a fairly long delay

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so it doesn't really help unless u don't rely on cast at all

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:55 PM

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yah enough to try to get it and then just stop and ss it

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:55 PM

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This is basically why i turned to stygian sould for a while

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:55 PM

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i havn't seen it again cause switched to regen since someone says they use regen because of this

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what if it came back when you deplete armor...

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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but, if u angle it carefully enough, it's not hard to avoid that as much as u can. Ofc shiet can still happen, but it'd be less with your effort

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and, f zeus cast cast stone location

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it bounces every, flipping, where

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I feel like this doesn't happen once you're aware it happens..

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I recall I got it when it shot past redacted into the lake and I just learned to not miss or not shoot mindlessly

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Yeah, it's more like, can i get use to casting cast stone in an angle that ends up in walls instead of rivers

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yeah, what u said

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:57 PM

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sounds like the hammer for the spear is the same

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:57 PM

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having it instantly recall seems a little exploitable considering how certain boons work

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Demeter's cast for example, you can just camp and shoot

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having to watch where your cast goes makes you actually move around the map more instead of overusing something

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 7:58 PM

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laughs in triple stygian soul cast stone

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but yes, it should take a retrieve to get it if u got the 3 stones to begin with

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3 stone burst is incredible, but has a cost, ofc

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 7:59 PM

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well not imediate

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Also on the zeus cast, iirc it only bounces if there are multiple enemies

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I can see it should be recalled after u have 0 cast stone for 10s

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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it does take a while to come out of enemies though which is annoying

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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if no one else is in range it just gets stuck

naive laurel Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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but if u havbe even 1, the recall should be at current length

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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There are boons that increase how long it takes to come out of enemies, and the mirror enhances your damage the longer it's in there

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some runs I just wish it stays in there all the time

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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you mean flat dmg

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:00 PM

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unless something like Hydra where I want to switch which head it's in for the bonus 25% damage

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no it's a percentage increase

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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deflect vs hydra 😄

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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deflect vs everything

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i know who the worst enemy now is...

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those poison spear brats

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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exalted?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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they fire really fast

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Oh you mean in the final stage?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:02 PM

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the name that fits the most is cultist

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:02 PM

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..I'm confused

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which enemy are you talking about

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is it in Elysium or the last level?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:02 PM

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styx

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Oh, right

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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im not going to use spoilers

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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yeah

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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that's kind of dumb

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who doesn't get spoiled?

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I just got confused when you said spear

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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imo spoilers is the progression in interactions

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poison is only in styx

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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but the spears are in elysium x.x

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Ohhh I get it, you mean the stuff they spit out at you look like spears

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:04 PM

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the poison guys throw spears

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:04 PM

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no that's their spit

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:04 PM

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those seem like darts

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:04 PM

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They make that throat sound right before they shoot, so I still think it's.. spit or phlegm

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the whole place is meant to be disgusting so it fits

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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yeah, actually. the speed just makes it seem dartlike in appearence

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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yes

pastel jolt Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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they have little pipes with them so it may be blowdarts

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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really?

pastel jolt Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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📎 Satyr_Cultist.png

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Ohhh

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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i don't think greatshields are that bad

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:05 PM

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that makes a lot of sense

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:06 PM

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free backstabs and i guess they pause so you can get behind them

pastel jolt Apr 12, 2020, 8:06 PM

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also, spoilers are allowed in this channel because otherwise it would be very hard to discuss strategies!

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:06 PM

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the butterfly warden is irritating

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doesn't it endlessly spawn souls?

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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greatshields used to be much much worse

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imagine perfect tracking and little to no pause on attacks

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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not sure it's possible to kill it while killing all of the elite souls it spawns

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Greatshields somehow had a better projectile attack than Strongbows

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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yes

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very much so

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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still do, but at least it's much slower now

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or maybe I'm just used to it

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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i noticed tracking on some enemies and i suck at that

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what was it...

tepid ridge Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Yes, the soul catchers just fling butterflies forever. I dislike fighting them when exalted are also on the field but I really hate chariots of any kind thanks to Elysium’s architecture.

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Yeah the only problem I have with chariots is it's hard to determine when their stunned state stops..

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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wave makers

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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I've done it with zeus attack chain lightning, advancing kick so I can just dash around super fast, casts(it's easy if you instantly kill it :v), or just methodically DPSing it down and switching to the little souls when the yspawn.

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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sometimes you're just smacking them in melee and they damage you because they got out of the stunlock

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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screw wave makers

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they predict

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i think flingers do too

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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you can out-predict them though

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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but not always

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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flingers I hate

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overtime bombers in melee is always a gamble

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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i suck at dealing with vets in ETG

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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i forgot if the wavemakers you can destroy the waves

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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deflect

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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you can deflect them but you can't attack it

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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which sucks

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so athena is a must 😄

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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mmm

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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i want posiedon for rats

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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okay so then they're free ruthless procs still :v

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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rats are pretty bs

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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the waves aren't too big and they only do 2 at a time I believe

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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their acid takes too long to go away

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I don't understand how the acid works

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you can dash onto it without getting poisoned but you can't walk in it..

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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2 at a time but picture having 5 in all directions

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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quite confusing

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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they seem to only poison if you're in for a length of time

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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dash is i frames

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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but yeah rats you have to be aggressive vs

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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5 wavemakers is 10 waves

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:11 PM

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personally I just hate the snakestone

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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i just find it annoying when they fire offscreen

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I lost my best 32 heat run to buffed snakestones..

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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one snakestone: ok

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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snakestone is so predictable

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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half a dozen snakestones with crisscrossing beams: kill me now

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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brothers have such a huge aoe

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the elites are ...

brave dune Apr 12, 2020, 8:12 PM

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@quartz crow you have not fought overtime, forced labour snakestones with speed benefits

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6 of them per wave

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three waves in a chamber

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:13 PM

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i havn't beat the game thx to starting at this update

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:13 PM

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the worst part of snakestones is if they see you at different times their attacks are staggered and at least one is attacking at all times

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:13 PM

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i bet hydra was easy

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please tell me hades came before hell mode was added

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how would you even fight all the sisters... heard you can get 3

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alecto first?

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:14 PM

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i mean they're the first boss in the game blobshrug

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:15 PM

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yah but all of em at once

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:15 PM

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fighting all 3 at once is just fighting one while the others do support fire

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:15 PM

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they're still the first boss

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:15 PM

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you guys ever try all shrines activated in bastion?

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:15 PM

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i just like it because I otherwise hate fighting miss murder >.>

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:16 PM

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imo invulnerability + regen is the most unfair mechanic in existance

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please tell me that isn't in here unless there's voidstones

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I don't think any enemy regens

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unless you count the souls in elysium

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:18 PM

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i mean in the negative modifiers

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:18 PM

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the pact?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:18 PM

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yah

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i don't want to call it that cause each game calls it something else

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shrines limiters and now pact

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I don't think enemy regen is an option there. You can give them more base health though

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:20 PM

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plus how would ik what it is if i havn't unlocked it. but tech ik

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just not fair people won the game during hydra -_-

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so far hades is the worst

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:22 PM

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it's in early access and the pact is an optional challenge after beating it

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:22 PM

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do you ignore the green things and focus on him while maintaining distance?

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:22 PM

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oh you meant the boss, lol

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:23 PM

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redacted just sounds like a meme

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:24 PM

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The green skulls are Hade's equivalent to your cast, you need to avoid them and their after effects

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:24 PM

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what about the pulses

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sometimes it takes a bit to kill them

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:24 PM

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dash over the pulses

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:24 PM

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dash over them or kill the skulls before they count down to 0

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:25 PM

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second phase you honestly probably want to leave one of the skulls alive :x

tepid ridge Apr 12, 2020, 8:25 PM

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The hydra used to be worse from what I’ve heard? The change they made was to remove a skip triggered by huge damage that speed runners IE a very small percentage of players could use. As for Hades’ urns, yes, don’t attack them and keep for distance from hades when he’s attacking near them. The pulses can be dodged through. If you don’t think you have the quick damage then don’t get near them and get ready to dodge.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:25 PM

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lately im just heading to styx then wanting to kms for selling boons during the rooms just to buy the expensive item

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:25 PM

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the hydra used to have 4 phases, not 3

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Also the game itself was a LOT rougher when Hydra was the final boss. Mechanics of the game's engine and movement were a lot less polished and looked more punishing.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:26 PM

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i saw the projectiles it gave

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easier to avoid

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:27 PM

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you get a bit over 150 gold per path if you have the gold urns upgrade II so keep that in mind when balancing money. If you've made it to styx with what you have, it is possible to win with it

tepid ridge Apr 12, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Ya I mentioned hydra since Jex was saying it was worse recently.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:28 PM

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not recent

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at the start

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people were saying armor wasn't fair

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reason for avoiding this game

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only got to 2nd phase once thinking it was over (hades) so no expirience of the fight. but been watching bricky's playlist on it since it's short and covers updates. (hoping he comes back cause didn't see nighty) no idea why people like wanderbots so much. He's so relaxed it makes you want to sleep. And both of them still don't know how shield blocks

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can there just be a tutorial part on deflecting attacks?

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skelly doesn't attack

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im hoping bricky learns

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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honestly there's this pact thing that gives perks and I'm not sure I like it in part because of one of the modifiers

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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i discovered it out of curiosity (cause it's a shield and bastion's block) that's not clear

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it just says defend

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but when it happens it's called block

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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thanatos when elites have the perk that make armor take significantly less damage is suffering

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"welp guess I'm not killing things before you"

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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It certainly could be made more clear that the shield could block, seeing as the defending is tied to another action which makes it seem like the action is just setting up the rush

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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yeah you defend all attacks from the front when you hold down bullrush

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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waves push you and aoes get blocked to

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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i don't know if the hammer upgrade that turns the bullrush into a short attack removes the ability t o block

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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one of the hammers practicaly gets rid of abusing that

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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It mostly does.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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yah that

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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one hammer upgrade makes bull rush a ranged and keeps the block so that's amazing

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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There's a tiny window of time in which you can still block, but i still dislike it.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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you can block and throw the shield

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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i do like the ranged hammer upgrade

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i do like dashing everywhere tho

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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it keeps the block? how

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Yeah, both are fun!

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It charges up a shot and fires it instead of launching you forward. The block part of bull rush stays the same.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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well yah

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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As for world smasher it's a timing thing and I may not be a FAN but it's technically possible.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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but as soon as you fire you are vulnerable and note that the attack DOES NOT remove projectiles

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I'm fairly sure sitting in a corner with a ranged and blocking shield is a valid strategy for the final boss

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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..and?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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meanwhile the throw does

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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You still can just set back up for another shot. The cooldown is negligible.

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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i had a really dumb thing with the fourth sword aspect. i had uh lemme see if I can get back the image

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286070901802270720/698817222528991272/unknown.png

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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have you tried firing your special while blocking? :p

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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fourth sword aspect I just... used the double deflect nova to spam special with the sword

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and i just got up in final boss face and didn't move or do anything i just hit them

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i had like all the damage reduction boons too :x

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Sometimes your build just doesnt do enough dmg

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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you should turn on God mode for even more

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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and theres nothing you can do about it

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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99%dmg reduction lel

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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i mean this build it didn't actually matter :v

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Jex, I think you're getting conversations crossed. Bull rush isn't the special and nothing i was talking about mentioned the special.

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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like between the dodge, 20 second barrier, deflect specials, and dodge

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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i mean if you hold the shield you can throw it like that 3rd aspect

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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i took about 100 damage doing literally nothing but spamming specials, no moving out of the way or anything

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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But the Zeus Aspect does let you use special, at least to recall, while blocking. And with it thrown, you can still block. So I mean, it's not a HAMMER

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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it's as if you have 2 shields no matter what aspect you use except chaos. that's a bunch

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:42 PM

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So you saying hammer was kinda confusing since that's not the right term. And the charge shot is great on that, too.

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So I'm not seeing the problem?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:42 PM

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tried ss it

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/698996582984450148/unknown.png

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just pretend i never let go of fire

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had to pause to get the timing right but un paused with mouse down

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it's silly

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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i was honestly wanting to try and do a regular attack build on the fourth sword aspect but the first hammer I got was the double special and with athena attack on it it just kinda... worked.

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only downside is that I don't think the largest spin attack of the final boss can be deflected?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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how often can you use multiple shields with chaos?

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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once per bull rush

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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or the timing for it is weird :C

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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testing

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lmao you can do it!

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you can hold your bull rush and still be empowered

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I just find it amusing how every attack Hades does apart from the vases is something you could do. Even the lasers can be done with demeter

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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now if only charm made you take damage while debuffed

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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uh

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i think enemies can take damage while charmed

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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as in attacking hits you with the same hit

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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...what?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:48 PM

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currently Aphrodite trial is just gorgon right?

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:48 PM

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?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:48 PM

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can't believe spellcheck has aphordite in it's list

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:48 PM

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like the pick one of two gods trial?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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yah

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idk what people call it

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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that can be in any biome

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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enemies are random

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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gah

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i mean it stuns you

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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oh the flying heart?

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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yes

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what else would i be talking about

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no enemy uses charm

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or is it a stun plus weak

earnest ravine Apr 12, 2020, 8:50 PM

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You aren't being very clear when talking about things, so it's kind of confusing.

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 8:50 PM

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everyone says that

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 8:51 PM

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i mean for there you're literally fully stunned and can't attack or do anything so :p

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 9:03 PM

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aphrodite trial is heart following you

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its really hard

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i always dont pick it

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 9:05 PM

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yep

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it scares me

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just noticed spin attacks are buffed by achillies aspect prob

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i wonder how many combos can be pulled off within 2 attacks

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 9:06 PM

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for me it's not that hard unless you have a mobility based attack like advancing kick or bull rush

quartz crow Apr 12, 2020, 9:07 PM

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dash attack not getting a dmg boost would suck though 😦 but you could use a dash to gain a swing. maybe that's why dash counts as a use

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nah... it shouldn't consume it if special doesn't

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wait. who said dash doesn't get buffed? i tested and it does

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even spin too

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must've been an older bug then

gray lintel Apr 12, 2020, 9:29 PM

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i have no clue what you're talking about again

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 10:05 PM

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With the chaos shield build Minotaur Rush and Sudden Rush are useless right?

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Or does sudden rush let the beginning part of the rush charge quicker

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before you can actually do it

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 10:10 PM

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chaos shield lets you up the number of shields from your special after using the bull rush move. Those upgrades should work normally

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 10:10 PM

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does sudden rush let the beginning part of the rush charge quicker
before you can actually do it

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Does it let you bull rush quicker?

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or just the charge time

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 10:12 PM

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sudden rush should make all parts of the bull rush happen faster, as long as it triggers, the chaos shield should activate its effect

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I don't think you even have to do the full rush

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 10:15 PM

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You do not

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 10:16 PM

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What does the blue arrow mean on the Artmemis boon page?

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Dionysus seems pretty good for Chaos shield attack

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 10:25 PM

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why?

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Yeah ive given nyx and chaos all the nectar i can too and quest isnt triggering yet

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Well I only have 3 extra shields

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and it's really big ST damage?

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idk I only have like 40 escape attempts so i'm still pretty noob lo

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lol

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Does anyone have any idea what bouldy ambiguity bonus actually does?

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:04 PM

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wait as econd

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https://imgur.com/a/G5TfVjL

Imgur

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I would just dash into hades after I applied doom

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and he died a minute XD

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So after I unlock all the weapons and mirror slots keys are useless?

surreal tapir Apr 12, 2020, 11:09 PM

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@torpid turret it seems like Bouldy's ambiguity bonus can randomly apply a small percentage booster to a random thing, like cast damage or speed

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Not exactly

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:09 PM

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other than for trading

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Can be used to reset mirror, trade for nectar and in turn trade for diamonds

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In a maxed out file you'll prob have more keys than anything else though

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Ambrosia is used on close friendships
does it only further the story?

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or actually help you gameplay wise?

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:11 PM

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certain characters give good stuff

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:12 PM

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||Used to upgrade companions||

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:12 PM

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and ||companions|| are gained through better friendships right?

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or nah

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:12 PM

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yeah

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 11:12 PM

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you can buy nectar with keys

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:13 PM

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there are 5 characters who give them I believe

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Megaera is a really good ||companion|| right?

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Might've been Allecto I saw in the run though idk

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Kinda average since last patch

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Mag is never there

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when i want to give her nectar

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its like shes gone or talking every time

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wish you could give nectar to people who had been in conversations

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:15 PM

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go in your room and go back

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they usually change positions

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 11:15 PM

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yeah but you cant give them things

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until you do another run

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also I wasted alto of nectar on people with no quets

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which sucks

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wish it told you before

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that you can give them nectar but it wont do anything

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Cerberus is so cute

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omg

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Its ok, eventually you want to max out nectar with everyone right

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Most of the time you get more lore moments

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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most of the time

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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when you finish a character's entry in the codex by speaking to them, it will say at the bottom to deepen your relationship with them if there is more to be learned from that character

rich cedar Apr 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Hermes and Charon

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was big waste l ol

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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You'll have plenty of nectar to waste in the future anyways

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:18 PM

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That means giving them abrosia right?

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I was gifting everyone I could and bouldy every run I can, still never run out

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Then you must’ve saved up too much?

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Not really

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Well I'm at the point where my file is pretty much maxed out

static prawn Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 PM

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to give a character ambrosia, you typically have to do a quest first, which is just talking to people and hoping the correct conversation happens

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and that only becomes available after maxing them out with nectar

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Plus you will have a ton of leftover keys that can swap for nectar

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Still have like 200 keys after trading a bunch for diamonds to complete the ||music stand||

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TIL if you buy a pom for 300 obol while having no upgradeable boons it gives you 380 obol

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:35 PM

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TIL?

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I suppose it’s a way of saying “just so you know” heyred

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Today I Learned

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Support fire must be pretty good with chaos shield lol

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I repeat

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Support fire is trash with chaos shield

torpid turret Apr 12, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Support fire is trash with everything

naive tusk Apr 12, 2020, 11:53 PM

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The hate is real~

tired elk Apr 12, 2020, 11:59 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/yejiRyu

Imgur

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I need some help... lol

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The doom is nice but that damage and chill...

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doom is still better right?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:00 AM

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What weapon and aspect

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:00 AM

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chaos shield

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I'd personally take it and go for demeter legendary, otherwise you could go for merciful end but that won't be too great on chaos shield

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Just alone I'd rather have the demeter special

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I don't have any % for heroic/legendary/boon

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I only have like 18% chance for rare lol

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Still

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Because that means you dont have % for duo either

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:02 AM

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merciful end?

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:02 AM

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If you have the pre-reqs, it's still a decent chance to get a legendary, while duo boons require a touch more RNG to get.

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Athena and Ares duo boon, causes deflect attacks to instantly set off Doom.

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Do you have cold blast or decay boons?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Yeah which isn't great on chaos shield tbh

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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decay boons?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Better off trying to get priv status rn

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Demeter has a boon that makes frozen enemies take damage over time

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Killing Freeze, boon from Demeter you can get after getting one chill effect.

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So probably not.

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Ah

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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priv status??

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jesus I don't know any of these terms XD

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Mirror talent, you probably don't have it?

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I have all the mirror talents unlocked

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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privileged status, means when two status effects are on the target you do more damage

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Gives you +40% damage when something has two status effects, then.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:04 AM

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I use the 6% per hero talent boon Ihave

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:04 AM

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I'd take the demeter special

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:05 AM

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I'd also take the Demeter special because RNG is more in your favour there and easier to get a lot of stacks with Chaos.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Hunters mark limit to 1 per attack?

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Uhhh. Do you mean the crit up from Artemis?

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:07 AM

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yea

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:07 AM

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If so, no, it's for the duration of the marked status!

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Rack up all the crits you want.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:07 AM

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did you just say that the mark doesn't go away after you crit?

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Yeah you need another Ares boon to have doom stack on enemies, whereas Frost stacks anyway

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Once you crit mark goes away

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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^^^

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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but if you're using 6% per hero then it might be worth it to not trade

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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I mean't it as in chaos shield

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if I crit multiple enemies

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Do all of those people apply marks to other enemies?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Each crit should mark an enemy

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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yes

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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ok thanks

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Oh! I never noticed. My bad for misinformation, I guess I kept remarking enemies super fast last time I got it.

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Yeah because if you crit a marked target it will go away but should add a mark to another enemy

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:18 AM

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I chose the beam cause I didn't notice the scroll there

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it was a prophecy thing I needed to complete

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Fair choice for completion reasons, the doom isn't bad

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I just don't know what attack would be good

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Dionysus?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Not really as important since you are using chaos shield and don't have priv status on

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Something with high damage scaling because you probably arent using the attack much save for bull rushing to charge extra shields

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So Aphro or Artemis if you already have hunters mark

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Artemis ideal if you do have hunters mark, so you can get more hunters mark procs

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:20 AM

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and hunters mark is actually good for chaos shield?

#

is there a base crit ;__;

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i'm asking so many questions XD

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:20 AM

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No you will need pressure points

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So I would go for Artemis and take attack or pressure points to get more use out of hunters mark

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I have pressure point already thanks ❤️

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and I usually go for athena for the deflect dash in Elysium

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athena keepsake

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Yeah that's always useful, you could go for deadly reversal in that case to up your crits even more so

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And would also put Merciful end on the table

brave dune Apr 13, 2020, 12:28 AM

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My new favourite thing to do is take the Talos Fists and magnetic pull skeletons into lava in Asphodel

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Battle rage seems like you wouldn't get any damage off with your chaos shield

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right?

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Yeah, they unfortunately changed how it works so it's only the first hit of your special that gets that bonus.

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rip stocking it up for a Zeus Aspect Special and destroying everything

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 1:14 AM

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https://imgur.com/4owwGle

Imgur

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This meme run actually succeeding makes me feel good

#

25.6% on plume

#

I went with 60% extra dmg and 40% OT, clearly suicide wishing

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Heck yeah, nice work!

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though i definitely see that death defier accolade you got

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Cut it a little close to go fast ,huh?

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Yep

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i have 52 health 0 dd left after hades

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where hades spins for 56 health

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so literally 1 hit left

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that time is also a record too

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And after that, there's this 95% thrust crit rate run

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https://imgur.com/lxHlasu

Imgur

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Deadly reversal, Nemesis, Cruel Thrust, Pressure points

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Let's say the !'s are everywhere

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And very tanky too

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:19 AM

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@surreal tapir So bouldy ambiguity bonus actually does absolutely nothing

surreal tapir Apr 13, 2020, 1:20 AM

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literally absolutely nothing?

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yike

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Yeah someone looked in the code

surreal tapir Apr 13, 2020, 1:21 AM

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fascinating

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thank you for this information LMAO

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no more juice for Bouldy

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:22 AM

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this is what the obols one looks like for for reference

BouldyBlessing_Money =
{
    InheritFrom = { "BouldyBlessing" },
    MoneyMultiplier =
    {
        BaseMin = 1.01,
        BaseMax = 1.10,
        ToNearest = 0.01,
        SourceIsMultiplier = true,
    },
    ExtractValues =
    {
        {
            Key = "MoneyMultiplier",
            ExtractAs = "TooltipMoneyRewardIncrease",
            Format = "PercentDelta",
        },
    }
},

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and the ambiguity one

> BouldyBlessing_None =
> {
>     InheritFrom = { "BouldyBlessing" },
> },
> ```

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It's literally named BouldyBlessing_None

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 1:23 AM

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The other bonuses are good enough to roll the dice, though.

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:23 AM

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For sure, but it's nice to get to the bottom of that mystery

surreal tapir Apr 13, 2020, 1:26 AM

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I mean, I basically never give him Nectar anyway so

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maybe some other day I'll give it a try

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:28 AM

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I always do and always will

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Nectar in late game imo is best given to bouldy, even when the bonus is minimal, since we overflow on it.

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Yup

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Especially when you don't have the option to give nectar to anyone anymore

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Plus, bouldy is a good companion, he's helped us enough, gratitude is owed by us. bouldy

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This is also one of the reason why I asked for gem/key/nectar sinks

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not real sinks, but something for us to do w/ them in late late game

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Bouldy's buff imo is just small enough for us to do it, and it's good

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Especially Keys, so many keys

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I want to use keys to unlock new rooms around the house of hades

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 1:31 AM

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2bh, I want them to encourage us to trade up, and make sinks for Ambrosia and Gems

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Imagine an option of giving bouldy and Sisyphus ambrosia, and we get some minor boost as well

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But in this case, some more complex buffs like rare chance and such

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I mean should each crit from the different shields apply marks to multiple people if I just throw out the shield once? @torpid turret

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And I can't see a better special than the Ares one for the chaos shield

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what do you guys think?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:50 AM

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I believe it should yeah, and Ares is def not one of my favorites for chaos shield

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:50 AM

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What is yours I would love to hear

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cause the base damage is 15 for a shield so idk if damage would be good idk

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Something stronger than ares would be awesome to try out lol

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I prefer aphro with her legendary

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:51 AM

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O.O

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yea that sounds amazing

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oh yea and the weak

naive tusk Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Don't forget the pink 💗

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And the hearts and the yay

tepid ridge Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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I have a thing for Aphrodite on Chaos’ shield too, or any status effect that lasts for a while if you’re using privileged status.

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Usually I’m not nowadays but still.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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oh yea and the status

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omg I forgot about that lol

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Yeah aphro is really great with the shield if you can get the legendary

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Demeter is pretty good too with her legendary

tepid ridge Apr 13, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Actually, I bet you could get some slick jank going on with Demeter’s killing frost and the chill from multiple shields

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:53 AM

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The other status would probably be Zeus as well right?

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I've heard Dionysus was good for the Chaos special a while ago, but I can't remmeber if the hangover nerfs changed that or not.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:53 AM

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another good status*

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for priv

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I don't like hangover at all, only really use the dash to apply priv status

tepid ridge Apr 13, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I feel like shield hangover would wear off too quickly for it to be useful with only one stack but idk

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:54 AM

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If I do a dio build its a cast build

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@tired elk You prob want something easy to apply like dio dash. Zues would need 2 buffs to come online for priv status. Could also do demeter/ares on the attack. I don't like demeter on the dash for priv status as it's pretty unreliable

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Does the curse effect have to be from the same god?

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:58 AM

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2 different curses

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 1:58 AM

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ok

spare zealot Apr 13, 2020, 1:58 AM

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gotta say, bold to post RE'd code of the game in the discord that the devs are in but I guess it's unavoidable anyways, it's all .net in the end. Can't protect that too well

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Hangover/Chill/Doom/Jolted/Exposed/Weak/Ruptured/Marked

naive tusk Apr 13, 2020, 1:59 AM

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RE?

spare zealot Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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reverse engineered

earnest ravine Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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As far as I can tell they don't mind as long as we aren't posting datamined unreleased story stuff.

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Dread flight seems really good with chaos shield

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but idk

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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I'd say that's....debatably fine, as it's a game that only need to be purchased once

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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best upgrade? lol

spare zealot Apr 13, 2020, 2:00 AM

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ah. lua not .net

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 2:01 AM

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after that...whatever they wanna do is..fine for me, imo

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I don't think it's an issue tbh

spare zealot Apr 13, 2020, 2:02 AM

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oh wait, the lua isn't even compiled into byte code. they don't care then lmao

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it's just, there

torpid turret Apr 13, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Yeah

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No RE done

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@tired elk It's not bad, Explosive return is still the king of hammers for chaos shield though

static prawn Apr 13, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I think dread flight and explosive return only apply to one shield even with chaos

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 2:03 AM

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rip I just passed that up lol

naive laurel Apr 13, 2020, 2:03 AM

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The main shield yes

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basically the 5 extra are "fake" shields

tired elk Apr 13, 2020, 2:04 AM

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omg