even if i don't have it?
#h1-builds-and-combat
quartz crow
quartz crow
it's unlocked and swappable but there are no points spent on either of em
plus the boon one is 1k
robust gate
So if you bought the key upgrade you leave it at the one you want and you'll be able to get fated authority/persuasion that way
quartz crow
guess i can test
it just showed up after picking up a boon even without having any on hand
cunning urchin
What are good reasons to not go for a Hermes chamber?
quartz crow
i swear tisopheny is the easiest boss
cunning urchin
Dual God, yeah for sure. I find Hammer vs Hermes to be pretty close.
robust gate
Really depends on how your build is looking
lament coral
really depends on the aspect
for example, with Chaos shield, I would take Hermes every time
same with Poseidon sword
but something like Guan Yu or any fist, I'd take hammer over Hermes, always
robust gate
Erebus seems too risky in elysium, maybe asphodel too
lament coral
it's risky with anything melee
cunning urchin
Are there times when you would get a single Boon from another God over Hermes?
lament coral
it's all situational
like if you're low on HP and see Demeter, you could take her and hope for Nourished Soul
same with Athena and DDs
Hermes won't help ya if you're dead
cunning urchin
Hmm. Beyond those two though?
robust gate
If you're looking for a legendary or duo boon and it's the god you're looking for I guess
spring mauve
quartz crow
2 bugs? 1. i don't have the aspect that empowers first shot after reload for the gun yet every encountor or equip of the weapon i see a purple shot after first reload for one shot
cunning urchin
I see. Thank you! Very insightful.
quartz crow
- the motar seems to have aim assist sometimes which can be annoying
tired elk
Yea if I were to use the gun I would have to use M&K if it has auto aim ;__;
robust gate
Didn't know you could get bad news and greater recall
spring mauve
you have to have neither infernal soul nor stygian soul
and you need to get bad news before greater recall
possible if you never used the mirror or you have a high enough routine inspection
dense locust
There are a number of builds where if you've already got the hammer you really wanted, the second is nearly useless
quartz crow
so then the recharge cast is bad?
i mean ill try DD but when i started a few days ago or so i only had one DD so stubborn was better
lament coral
@spring mauve that is incorrect. You just need Abyssal Soul for Bad News to show up
spring mauve
false as I just tested it
robust gate
Once you get 3 dds beating the game gets a lot easier
spring mauve
so, whatever I said is true no matter what
quartz crow
thanatos shouldn't oneshot armored enemies
cunning urchin
I'm not a fan of Stygian Soul.
spring mauve
@lament coral I just tested it, I know it's true
robust gate
Not when you're in Styx
cunning urchin
I think Thanatos is great at telling if your build is lacking in DPS.
spring mauve
you can even predict this behaviour @lament coral if you read TraitData.lua
that's why I did this test because I was figuring out what that all meant
lament coral
- Bad News (Hermes): new! Deal bonus Cast damage to foes without Cast ammo in them (if you have a certain Mirror talent)
- Greater Recall (Hermes): now requires first having one of Hermes' Cast-affecting Boons
spring mauve
dev news vs the actual code hmm
cunning urchin
I like 3 HP per room more actually, it's rare that I need burst healing so a lot of that from Dark Regeneration goes to waste.
spring mauve
Wait... you're not even contradicting me
quartz crow
if you take a hit there goes your 3 hp
lament coral
{
InheritFrom = { "ShopTier3Trait" },
RequiredFalseTrait = "MagnetismTrait",
RequiredInactiveMetaUpgrade = "AmmoMetaUpgrade",```have you seen darkness heal plus chaos? it's silly
dense locust
Is it possible only if you've never used the mirror or have high enough routine inspection, or despite having never used the mirror or having high enough routine inspection
spring mauve
yes exactly ZeppMan
that proves my point
MagnetismTrait doesn't require UnstoredAmmoDamageTrait false
this is probably a bug
but it's in the game nevertheless
MagnetismTrait =
{
InheritFrom = { "ShopTier3Trait" },
RequiredFalseTrait = "MagnetismTrait",
RequiredInactiveMetaUpgrade = "ReloadAmmoMetaUpgrade",
Icon = "Boon_Hermes_11",
so if BOTH "ReloadAmmoMetaUpgrade" and "AmmoMetaUpgrade" are inactive
and you FIRST get UnstoredAmmoDamageTrait
you can THEN get MagnetismTrait
that's EXACTLY what I said
lament coral
hm, weird
naive tusk
And believe it or not, it works like that
But it's a very unlikely scenario under normal circumstances
lament coral
@naive tusk so it is bugged?
spring mauve
now I have no idea what the gameplay ramifications are of having both at once
naive tusk
I wouldn't say it's a bug. More like dusting requirements and prohibitions under a rug because it's almost impossible to get both Legendaries under normal circumstances
spring mauve
I died extremely quickly cus I was testing on 41 heat
I can try again with just Routine Inspection
naive tusk
Normal circumstances being meeting Hermes more than 2-3 times
cunning urchin
The only times I tend to need burst healing are after bosses, and there's always a well anyway that takes care of that. So I tend to get more healing in total from 3HP Chthonic Vitality than Dark Regeneration. I think it's great when you need it, but overall I like Chthonic Vitality more.
lament coral
um, 3 times is normal
spring mauve
they said more
lament coral
2-3
spring mauve
more than 2-3 times
it is possible though if you get lucky on shops and fated authority
thing is
you can't fated authority with routine inspection
naive tusk
What I meant is, it's possible to get both Legendaries if you meet Hermes many times and meeting the criteria
That @spring mauve just said
dense locust
I don't think its a bug unless I'm misunderstanding the patch notes vs the possible boon combination, but either way, I think the likelihood of getting both is so rare that most players will never experience it in their entire Hades careers, and will likely be fixed up so that its more in line with what the Devs intended
lament coral
hold on, I think we're talking about different things
dense locust
probably
lament coral
I was pointing out that you needed Abyssal Soul to get Bad News
dense locust
This is the FFVII remake discord right?
spring mauve
I had maximum routine inspection
lament coral
ah
naive tusk
But according to the files, you don't necessarily need it. You just need to avoid having its restrictions
lament coral
so we were all right
spring mauve
so yeah if you're really lucky and you play with maximum routine inspection and you have hades keepsake
I mean hermes
hermes keepsake
then you can get this to happen
lament coral
how does Hermes' keepsake help?
spring mauve
cus you will get him earlier
at least I think that's how his keepsake works
haven't checked
shadow oriole
it doesnt work like that
spring mauve
ah nevermind then
lament coral
it gives you dodge for clearing the rooms quickly
spring mauve
he's not like the other gods
dense locust
This is getting muddier
naive tusk
Ah no, His keepsake only gives you extra dodge, it doesn't affect his boons' appear rate
shadow oriole
you get 1.2% dodge and move speed for a fast room clear similar to butterfly
cunning urchin
If this is the FFVIIR Discord, I want to report a bug because Hermes hasn't delivered my pre-order yet. Damn you, Hermes. sniff sniff
lament coral
stop sniffing and start running
spring mauve
there is no escape
dense locust
You can get both legendaries for artemis if you don't have the cast mirror upgrade active? Is that the conclusion?
spring mauve
depends on if this oversight is in there
lament coral
Hermes, yes
spring mauve
I'll check, what are they called?
naive tusk
The mirror traits?
spring mauve
no, the artemis legendaries
lament coral
Artemis has only 1 legendary
naive tusk
And she only has 1 legendary
spring mauve
So then what waas the point of the question? XD
dense locust
Sorry yes I meant hermes
dense locust
And you also stated that conclusion a while ago
spring mauve
now, I didn't get that in normal play, I spawned hermes' room reward a bunch of times and then just picked the ones in the right order
dense locust
That if you either don't have the mirror trait for cast unlocked or have it disabled due to heat, it is technically possible to unlock both hermes legendaries
naive tusk
I actually found this about Fully Loaded
MoreAmmoTrait =
{
OneFromEachSet =
{
{ "ArtemisAmmoExitTrait" },
{ "ArtemisBonusProjectileTrait" },
},
},
cunning urchin
What's a good build for attempting Tight Deadline? I tend to take my time, so I haven't cleared with that one yet.
naive tusk
Yep!
lament coral
@cunning urchin Poseidon sword
get Abyssal Soul and extra casts mirror talents
start with Artemis keepsake and get her cast
spring mauve
Fully Loaded has no incompatibilities with other traits or mirror upgrades, also
dense locust
Alright, so it is technically a bug considering the patch notes, but also probably so impossibly rare that it won't happen to a single player
spring mauve
I never said it was common :)
naive tusk
It's supposed to not appear if you have 3 specific Cast boons
dense locust
I know I'm just trying to clarify things
lament coral
still a bug though
naive tusk
Namely Crystal Shot, Slicing Shot or Trippy Shot
lament coral
no, those are casts
naive tusk
I think it's because Exit Wounds has the restriction
lament coral
Demeter, Ares, and Dio
naive tusk
If we look at one of those boons, it might have a false trait
spring mauve
indeed
ArtemisAmmoExitTrait =
{
InheritFrom = { "ShopTier1Trait" },
AmmoDropWeapons = { "ArtemisAmmoWeapon" },
Icon = "Boon_Artemis_09",
RequiredFalseTraits = { "AresRangedTrait", "DionysusRangedTrait", "DemeterRangedTrait" },
yep, it's inherited from EW
spring mauve
exit wounds has RequiredFalseTraits
not inherited, it's just you wouldn't get it without EW
dense locust
@spring mauve I feel like based off our user names, if we paired up, we'd be unstoppable.
spring mauve
duo boon ^
cunning urchin
@lament coral Soul is HP. Do you mean Grasp for extra Casts?
clear dome
you can get 2 defiance chaos boon in a run
spring mauve
that I predicted but never checked
dense locust
Yeah someone posted an anecdote about their double Chaos DDs a while ago
lament coral
Abyssal Blood with Infernal Soul
dense locust
Which can only occur if you have no mirror trait for cast due to lack of spent darkness or having it disabled through heat.
spring mauve
yeah
and you need to meet hermes an extra time over what would normally take to get just one of them
dense locust
You should feed-back it to them, although the probability of it actually happening might be so low that they won't care
tired elk
Special being faster is useless on gun huh....
dense locust
It's arguably one of the best boons for guan yu
naive tusk
I think that they did that knowing noone would get them casually
dense locust
unless you're fully invested in attack
yeah probably peach
When probabilities are in 1/10,000,000, why bother rewriting code
dense locust
It lets you fire off more specials
if you have charged skewer, it charges it faster
lament coral
same with charged attacks, they charge faster if you have increased attack speed
dense locust
Or flurry cast with ares cast; it makes the blades travel faster
which is very useful if you have hunting blades
shadow oriole
artemis has some of the best duo boons
she makes blade shot and crystal beam go from bad to amazing
stiff flume
artemis is one of the best in general tbh, crit just adds so much
artemis + athen/aphrodite
dense locust
yeah those two are my bread and butter
stiff flume
+a
dense locust
deadly reversal and heart rend are very powerful
cunning urchin
AAA team.
stiff flume
heh
dense locust
yep
stiff flume
dense locust
The AAAA team is a thing, but ares works less for most of my builds
cunning urchin
I find Zeus difficult to work with. Although that seems to be in-character.
lament coral
he's best on fists and rail
stiff flume
zeus aspect of shield + zeus
works very well
just finished an 11 heat run with it, 17 min
pretty easy
smooth sailing
shadow oriole
zeus cast is pretty good with Poseidon sword
amber python
ive found to have easier time with the fists in general. its like pulling teeth for me with the rail and the bow
stiff flume
fists are the hardest weapon for me
cunning urchin
I did my fastest run yet with the fists. Pressing Y for the win.
stiff flume
y? 🤔
lament coral
Athena helps a lot with fists
shadow oriole
special
stiff flume
ahhh
lament coral
either attack or dash, or both
stiff flume
i changed that to a button on the side of my mouse
cunning urchin
Xbox pad.
amber python
Dash strike is great especially if you can do 1000% damage to armor
tired elk
Any tips for defeating the final boss
I got him to like 5% lol
what is a special blast
wth
dense locust
Next level play is mapping the xbox controller buttons to keyboard
My tips would be keep playing and trying out new things
tired elk
yes
dense locust
it means if you are in the radius of the explosion
then for the next 8 seconds, all sources of damage are increased by the amount it states
tired elk
Jesus the game just got so much harder to choose what to do now XD
dense locust
If you have the eris buff, there will be a red "scratchy" animation around you
tired elk
since bloods are kinda rare
dense locust
Eris rail is my number one favorite aspect so i'd say it's worth pumping
but i'm biased
tired elk
I got a rocket instead of a bomb though
dense locust
I like it because it increases ALL sources of damage
tired elk
and it was pretty insane damage
dense locust
okay thats good
thats also my favorite hammer
if you want to quickly apply the buff without enemies nearby
you can just run up to a wall and shoot a rocket at it
otherwise when you want to get the eris aspect buff, just make sure you rocket an enemy when you are within its explosion radius
tired elk
oh wait the rocket still procs it?
dense locust
The great thing about rocket is that it greatly increases the base damage of your special (making crits and damage increases to special a lot better) and it also makes it a lot faster and easier to hit
atermis
dense locust
The arrows its shooting might be from the boon support fire
dense locust
oh i gotcha
dense locust
they are, but they also proc with your attack
tired elk
Oh they proc the crits?
dense locust
no
tired elk
Oh yea I know what you mean
dense locust
any attack, special, or cast you make will shoot one arrow
tired elk
they proc everytime I left click
dense locust
yeah
im not a huge fan of it, but it is free damage
doesn't replace anything or have any drawbacks
tired elk
Found ||Demeter|| lol
dense locust
Demeter is a great boon for attack on the rail
because you can very easily stack 10 stacks of chill and it makes enemies very very slow
tired elk
Do you get the attack upgrade or the special?
ah probably gun
do the arrows proc chill?
dense locust
No
Each hit of attack does
My ideal load out on eris rail is artemis special, zeus or demeter attack, athena dash, athena or poseidon special
attack boons like zeus, demeter, and dionysus benefit from weapons that can do a lot of attacks quickly, which is pretty much just the rail and the fists
tired elk
What cast?
dense locust
some specials can also apply a lot of instances of damage as well however, so sometimes those boons can be good on special
tired elk
or is cast kinda pointless lol
dense locust
The cast usually doesn't matter much for me, and it gets kinda complicated, but if you're starting out, dinonysus cast "trippy shot" is good and can deal a lot of damage if you level it up with poms. My ideal cast would be aphrodites cast because it opens up the possibility of a getting a duo boon that makes crits much stronger, but honestly, this is stuff you don't need to worry about
With eris aspect rail, my cast boon is very low priority
HOWEVER
If the boons the game is giving you seem to go a certain way, don't try and force your build too much
Eris is great because it increases ALL sources of damage
tired elk
Explosive Fire
Delta Chamber
Cluster bomb
tired elk
Boon means the keepsake?
dense locust
so on the left of your hud
tired elk
oh that's weird lol
dense locust
you'll learn something new
tired elk
I'm not sure if I like that
dense locust
So rocket bomb with cluster bomb shoots off 5 rockets that aren't really controllable
tired elk
Not very strong ST damage
dense locust
Not really, if even 2 rockets hit
its 140% special damage vs 100%
and its also better for smaller enemies
but like I said, the best thing to do is just keep trying new things to understand what's strong and what works for you
Rocket bomb does 100 base damage. Assuming you only have cluster bomb (-30% damage to special) and nothing that increases its damage , hitting 5 rockets does 350 damage instead of 100
Now if you get a crit and have other sources of increased damage (eris, artemis boon for special, etc), that's a lot of damage
dense locust
ares special
olive badge
but I think the long pause between each special is the reason?
olive badge
was thinking sth like Zeus so I can proc multiple lightning at once
dense locust
I think doom ends up doing more damage, and it requires less shields
less throwing of shields
you can back that up with something like artemis or athena attack
cunning urchin
@lament coral thanks! By far the easiest run I've done. https://imgur.com/EgdsW5X
dense locust
wow level 6 heroic artemis cast
lament coral
👍
dense locust
Reminds me of when Schpoon (I think) posted their build that included a leveled up pressure points that gave 10% crit
olive badge
athena cast has higher base than Artemis cast right
dense locust
yeah
cunning urchin
Yeah, I got to level 3 or 4 Rare before I even got a second boon lol. And then Demeter showed up and was like do you also want this to be Heroic after a few chambers.
dense locust
mmm I love when that demeter boon shows up at time that I can actually use it, and then goes on to apply to the boons I want it to
quick give me a weapon and aspect for 20 heat
dense locust
okie doke ty
olive badge
f a s t
dense locust
Hey i didn't say anything about speed
I just wanna play some hades but dont know what to choose
dense locust
Are you still on the rail?
tired elk
yes
dense locust
Support fire, unless you are also on the artemis special with rocket bomb
in which case the rocket bomb will do a lot of damage to anything with hunters mark on it
tired elk
I only have cluster bomb
dense locust
oh yeah? is that a challenge?
olive badge
I think
dense locust
Gonna be on for the next 3 hours?
dense locust
haha i know im j/k
okay
ill try and go fast
in anyway i can
ill also try and make the enemy slow so i seem faster in comparison
Crap I forgot I had a very promising seed going
oh well who cares
Wow i forgot how fast zag moves with this
dense locust
Haha really, just make choices and then decide afterwards if they were good or not
Once you've learned the game more, then asking questions can become much more useful
This seed really wants to see poseidon and zeus...
cunning urchin
ill try and go fast
in anyway i can
ill also try and make the enemy slow so i seem faster in comparison
Record that, then adjust FPS so enemies seem to be moving at normal speed and Zagreus super fast.
dense locust
That'd be fun, but I don't have any program for recording gameplay (afaik) and don't feel like setting that up right now
tired elk
My last run that I almost killed hades was so much easier
the rockets was so much easier
dense locust
"It gets easier"
tired elk
this trying to position myself into the rockets
is so difficult XD
The sword guys are so difficult XD
ok i'm going to bed 4 am here
goin to try again tomorrow XD
dense locust
Here's probably one of my strongest eris rail builds. I had Rocket bomb and Triple bomb for hammers: https://imgur.com/o40JbRK
My number one tip for you is athena dash is good
dense locust
I keepsake zeus most of the times with eris rail for the zeus attack
stiff flume
chaos?
dense locust
yeah
slothful refers to the movement speed debuff I had to endure
If I got heart rend, I'd be doing 2k crits per rocket bomb
but it was strong enough as it was
dense locust
@olive badge Welp, zag aspect but ended up taking a chaos gate each time hermes boon was offered (thinking there would be at least another one...) and then had to buy my second hermes boon in styx... pretty much the exact opposite of going fast, although I did have 4 dashes: https://imgur.com/T2ECLQr
It was fun feeling invincible against Hades though
(aphro cast and special with epic broken resolve, 4 athena dashes, and 475 hp...)
sullen valley
Question: if you have a boon for one of your “Keys” (Attack, Dash, etc.), you put Rare Crop on one or more of them, and you accept a replacement boon later down the line before the boon is Heroic or Rare, would the boon still be affected by Rare Crop?
weak rivet
I read minotaur's toughness as minotaur topless and
sullen valley
Ye
dense locust
hmm I'd expect that if the boon you have rare cropped is less than heroic, than the replacement would be offered at the rarity higher than it
Either that, or it cannot be replaced under the effect of rare crop
but that's me guessing based on intuition
lament coral
@sullen valley no
lament coral
if you replace a boon that's being cultivated, the replacement boon will not continue to increase in rarity
sullen valley
Aw
lament coral
you're not cultivating an attack, special, cast, etc., it's a named boon
that's why when you hover over Rare Crop it states the names
sullen valley
Ah
dense locust
I tend to refer to the boons that affect your attack, special, cast, dash, and call as core boons but IDK if there is official terminology for it
lament coral
there isn't
sullen valley
tfw every one of your DDs have been destroyed
And now you’re in Styx
I got like one Kiss of Defiance earlier, or I didn’t and I’m misremembering
Athena never offered me anything to do with Death Defiance
and Patroclus just didn’t show
dense locust
the worst part of that feeling is that little bit of perseverance that refuses to just suicide and restart. Although to be fair, a couple of times I felt that despair full blown and went on to actually win so you never know
sullen valley
There’s always a chance to win, yeah.
You can get through Hades only getting hit twice and not know how.
Like right now;
dense locust
It's weird that I took athena keepsake and the first boon I see is in the shop, but it's aphrodites
sullen valley
I entered Styx with absolutely no Death Defiance, feeling like Zeus on all of your main method of attack, no call, and an Athena Dash with the bow...
dense locust
I would have thunk it applied to charons wares but i guess not
sullen valley
I get offered Athena’s DD boon, her legendary (fulfilling a minor prophecy) and then ZEUS’S LEGENDARY
I also managed to scrounge up 401 HP max by some unknowable means.
Oh yeah I also had the Special’s Charge-up
To be honest this entire run was a practice run for Hera’s aspect and it’s kind of eh
I had like 3 heroic boons and 2 legendary boons
dense locust
Runs often evolve into something other than you planned
Im not sure athena attack on fists can deflect asterius with EM when hes charging you. Either that or your hit as to land right as his charge hits you
olive badge
amazing lmao
I just went to restock essentials
and did a run
this was fun to have
and the triple Duo boon
sullen valley
I think I figured out the weapon I’m most worst with
I’ve kind of used the spear the least, so it’ll take a bit of getting used to for me
gray lintel
I suspect that deflect timings depend on the attack speed of what you're using.
I am unsure how deflect works on melee attacks. Either they have to have an active 'deflect' hitbox on their melee hitbox when it activates, or you have to hit the monster itself with a deflect attack? 
But it does seem that slow attacks like fourth aspect sword special have a longer than normal active deflect. Feels like it deflects attacks a full half second or more after it hits.
also spear secret: dash attacks
lament coral
I had this problem where I was attack dashing with fists and Athena attack and Hades managed to hit me with the skull
as I was punching
gray lintel
IMO spear is literally some of the highest DPS in the game with artemis attack and extra dashes.
Again, it seems to scale timing with the speed of whatever it is. I've had attacks land through 30% faster adamant rail attacks.
solid cairn
are there like, individual guides for the aspects in hades on YT
or just a list of some of the best builds for each
kindred bolt
all those wins and no bow, bow is awesome, you should give it a shot!
it took me a couple of hours of losing to get the hang of it, but its so good once you learn ti
solid cairn
Ummmmm
Why do I have 4 death defiances in the skelly room
When I stand still and the hud hides itself, the empty death defiance symbol is there
lament coral
but...you're here
naive laurel
I think the randomness of each run makes a definitive guide near impossible
earnest ravine
Phone data exists
lament coral
ah, I forgot
have you been playing with the mirror and the talent removal modifier?
solid cairn
No
solid cairn
Do I want to risk it
It’s almost certainly gonna be gone
Whatever
No way
It still works
solid cairn
Still don’t have wifi
If I restart my pc it will probably be gone, but I have screenshots either way
naive laurel
btw, what exactly is ||ambiguity modifier||, I've been meaning to ask but keepa forgetting
lament coral
I wish it increased everything by the amount
gold gain, darkness, max HP, heal, damage, etc.
what did it do? Everything
naive laurel
I thought It's either ||rare boon chance or run-specific reward chance(2nd to last mirror choice)||
lament coral
ah, if only
naive laurel
but nothing is....something, I guess
naive laurel
just to be sure, is It confirmed to be literally nothing or can It be something that's really hard to discover like ||thanatos appearance chance||?
solid cairn
Very weird glitch
sullen valley
You uh...unless it’s purely story-related you don’t need to spoiler things.
naive laurel
Yeah I uses to, but after some thought, safer might be better, Since a lot of new peps are here
solid cairn
I’m gonna call that glitch the phantom defiance
solid cairn
Wait a minute
What if this works in gameplay
Also internet literally went on and then out as I was writing the bug report
Yo if this works in gameplay that’s insane
clear dome
when does thanatos show his frontal face and when does he show the normal one?
solid cairn
I think it may be a visual glitch only tho
clear dome
i wanna avoid his frontal face
gray lintel
I have Advancing Kick on the fists along with Posideon special. And 21% faster specials.
my movement is not my own right now
sullen valley
I guess you aren’t romancing Thanatos than @clear dome
gray lintel
oddly the carry of this run is actually the zeus attacks with longer range punches at least in the third area
sullen valley
=[
gray lintel
posideon is crazy fun on special with advancing kick tho. because of the dash to enemies the knockback doesn't really mean you kick them out of reach. it just means you yeet all over the map while roundhouse kicking people into the stratosphere
downside: i have no clue where I am at any given point in time
sullen valley
Oh jeez
gray lintel
i'm trying to get thunderbolts on knockback and/or rupture/double knockback
is it weird that I like to have two different "winning" setups like
instead of just "artemis attacks lol" I like to have multiple different 'damage' combos and one of them eventually wins out
or like now where I use the special possideon kick for single target damage while weaving in zeus attacks for extra damage an AOE
gray lintel
eh tbf I guess the zeus attack is cause I got posideon special and zeus makes sense for making it do lightning bolts
gray lintel
on a fast-firing weapon? YES.
clear dome
tbh all zeus boons are good on fast firing weapons
gray lintel
well yeah
Zeus and Ares scales with poms instead of regular damage methods
also for some reason zeus has a duo with like almost every dang god
solid cairn
Jesus I’m so bad how can I not win with quick spin and charged skewer on GY
gray lintel
guan ye seems best if you can dodge, heavily favors dodging :x
clear dome
gy -70% is hard
solid cairn
I have 50%
solid cairn
I have beaten 16 heat with it before
EM hydra and elysium are just a disaster
Legit get up to hydra taking like no damage
And then I lose a DD because of dumb stuff I can’t avoid and overshooting my dash
gray lintel
a thing i have noticed in my own play too is that dodging is everything and seperates good runs from bad runs. even with guan yu you need to not get hit most of the time to let the healing take incidental damage from mistakes
gotta be consistent too instead of gettnig hit by several back to back
solid cairn
EM hydra is like impossible for me
gray lintel
get athena and avoid traps :v
proper jolt
Don't dash as much
gray lintel
for that sweet sweet lava resistance
solid cairn
I rarely see that boon ever
gray lintel
honestly I recommend using Ruthless Reflex 100%
the 50% damage is crazy strong earlygame and makes it much faster
and the 50% dodge helps stay alive
also hydra in general seems to have bad tracking and moving helps :x also remembering that projectiles can (generally) be destroyed by an attack at the same time
solid cairn
Maybe I@ll learn how to use dash properly with that
gray lintel
trust in the iframes
be one with the iframes
it feels like, especially with ruthless dash, you want to dash through attacks
uses iframes to t heir maximum extent and is usually easier than trying to dash through the side of some projectiles, especially if they're homing like hydra heads
solid cairn
Wait a minute
I usually dash through attacks because I’m used to like gungeon
And the souls series as well I guess
gray lintel
also like remember that attacks destroy projectiles
if you attack while dashing, spear dash hitbox is very large and can take out a lot of projectiles in the way
(this is also useful for the second area since the elite witches like to spam projectiles)
especially with heavy projectile density, it is much easier to spam attacks with most weapons than to try and dodge through it all
solid cairn
I assumed ruthless dash was bad
gray lintel
eh?
like if you don't need the damage, +1 dash is more reliable unless you can get the extra dashes hermes boon
and spear IMO scales primarily with dashes from what I've seen :x
even guan yu wants heavy dash attacks, with spin attacks used to top off health
but you'd be surrpised at how often it triggers. The timing is somewhat sensitive but it's got a surprisingly broad range and works for both start and end position
and remember that damage = health because the faster you kill things the less you screw up and get hit
solid cairn
I should probably also switch to privileged status
gray lintel
also 50% dodge is nothing to sneeze at that's basically 50% damage resistance for 2 seconds after dodging
ehhh it depends :x
family favorite is more reliable if you don't focus on statuses
also damage increases are additive, so if you've got say something like my current run
where it's +199% special damage on posideon special, +50% chaos boon, another +50% ruthless dodge
that's like 4x damage? privileged status would only give 10% more damage
meanwhile I have 4 different god boons from Hermes/Artemis/Posideon/Zeus giving 24% conditionless increased damage
that means privileged status would only give 16% increased damage which is only like 4% or less
and that's only if you have a build with two status effects in it(i currently don't have any status effects)
solid cairn
And family favorite is better how?
gray lintel
because it's damage is always active
from the start of the game. Always 6% damage. 100% of the time.
every build will have hermes in it so that's 12% damage, guaranteed
add in like 3 more gods and lategame you're looking at 30% increased damage
gray lintel
is it? You probably are going artemis attack, meaning your dash and special would have to compensate for it. Optimal is probably athena dash and aphrodite special. Athena dash requires a tier 2 boon for it to apply a status effect. You're already looking at 4 gods right there.
solid cairn
Aphro attack tho
gray lintel
i mean I guess if you don't want that artemis extra 15% crit chance
solid cairn
Ok maybe I’m wrong on that one
naive tusk
If you manage to get Heart Rend, then Heartbreak Strike is really good!
gray lintel
that's kinda preferential really. Artemis has really low attack damage but 15% crit.
twin mural
is there any point to running the mirror upgrade that gives you rare boon chance+ if you're running the other one that gives epic boon chance+?
lament coral
of course
just because you have a 40% higher chance of getting a blue doesn't mean you won't see commons
that epic booster helps counter commons even further
plus, the alternative isn't all that hot
twin mural
really? i thought trying to get a legendary would relaly help
lament coral
and I have the sneaking suspicion that the other talent, the one that increases gold laurel rooms, overrides NPC encounters
cause NPCs are blue
unkempt pagoda
npcs can be gold
twin mural
can be?
lament coral
maybe it's my imaginary bias, but I feel that I've been seeing fewer NPCs when I had that talent, and more NPCs when I had the epic booster
twin mural
i'm trying at the moment to prophecy farm, and next on the list is more duo boons and weapon upgrades
but i'm also trying to give more nectar to the people who give the companions
so i don't want to risk slimmer chances for allies appearing, just in case that's true
unkempt pagoda
npcs can't be switched out with fated, i assume they just choose a random chamber to put the npcs in per run, changing the laurel to match
lament coral
you're guaranteed 2 hammers per run, and you could just take the duo boons talent
gray lintel
honestly I figure that certain encounters would be rolled before temporary/permanent is rolled :x
the +10% for hammers matters, at least, if you want t o take another more beneficial room
but yeah epic boons are so significant that not having that +20% hurts :c
it might be useful tho if you need a lot of boons to make a build work tho like, a ton of legendaries/duos
duo effects can carry a run themselves
like posideon/zeus
weak rivet
3 eclipses from Chaos and a farming boon from posei
I have absolutely no useful boons anywhere literally my slots are EMPTY but the amount of darkness im getting is so ludicrous its worth the pain hshfuf
stiff flume
not getting boons is such a bummer
weak rivet
Yep i got murdered
naive laurel
So, tried dash atk bow again(Not like I havn't done a build for It out of sheer mecessity because how clunky It is otherwise)
first, u can't charge arrow during dash
2nd, theres little to none evasiveness to this build, u take dmg during charging bow like a joke, And I got forced to runaround chased By 20 enemies because the aoe sucks too.
3rd, I have both ruthlessness and 50% Chaoes bonus on attack and epic artemis attack, 100% extra dmg power shot and 75% powershot trigger rate, but the dmg is still not high enough to 1 shot armor, meaning a need for either special (good thing I got hangover on It to do chip dmg) or I have to do 3 powershots against each enemy.
bow overall is just not very suiting for 40% overtime or high jury summons lvl
delicate nimbus
Man I can't seem to get through the temple of styx lol I've gotten there 5 times now and got grinded to dust there
shadow oriole
dash in and use special up close
delicate nimbus
I have 2 extra lives, and I always make it to styx with only the 1 life now lol
shadow oriole
gotcha. yeah im not sure it can be good, maybe get through last boss though
naive laurel
I think I can win this bare 14 hest run, but I Got a dd taken away from me cuz 20 enemies chasing me around on asphodel
It's unbeliveable how bad this weapon can be against certain situations
shadow oriole
what pacts are you using?
naive laurel
hell I Got to elysium in 12 igtime, So It's Not bad bad, but I took 3 chaoes bonus and I should've been busted Op rn If on any other thing
sec
literally almost going all in into attack
also, tho, I got guided lazer to carry a bit
lul
shadow oriole
all those extra enemies will make it a lot harder with bow
like you are using all the options that make it extra hard for bow
naive laurel
the only thing I might be making It harder is the ruthless dash, but If Not for It I prob need 5 atk on each enemy to kill them
most options on heat is forced, Since it's hell mode
shadow oriole
you have forced overtime, extra enemies, extra damage, and extra enemy health
naive laurel
Yeah the latter 3 are Not chooseable
shadow oriole
hell mode?
naive laurel
Yeah
Not saying bow is bad or something, but It stands up to the test of difficulty undoubtedly the worst, from my experience. And it's baffling since It's a ranged weapon
shadow oriole
standing still is really bad, especially when you have no protection
naive laurel
Yep, I just picked up athena call, gives me window for shootkng powershots in elysium
otherwise impossible to do unless I take 30+ dmg
hearty dew
Hey guys, quick question about duo boons. When you have the prerequsites for a duo boon, how can you tell which god will have a chance to give the duo boon? Or is it perhaps both?
naive laurel
both will provide
naive tusk
If anyone finds Auto Reload while they play, could you please take a screenshot of its icon, please?
rustic remnant
Any tips on playing well with Choronact (the bow)? I just can't seem to get the hang of it.
unkempt pagoda
use the dash attack, as it charges faster and keeps you mobile
it doesn't do as much damage as the regular attack, but that can be fixed with attack boons/artemis dash/chaos
i wouldn't recommend doing an entirely special build unless you're going chiron bow
naive laurel
Yeah flipping entering hades fight with 0 dd and 94 health
definitely gonna win for sure
turbid needle
You just need to practice more with it, d00d.
@naive tusk Is it not the same as Quick Reload?
And use Zag Aspect on Dash attack-focused builds.
naive laurel
practice is Not gonna work when staying still for .5s is 30 health gone 2bh
Yep, can barely attack at all against hades
cast dmg is good tho
naive tusk
Is it? I don't remember but if so, then I will use the same one 
turbid needle
Okay, what's more likely: That myself and others are full-tilt god gamers who can beat the game with a bad weapon, or you need practice?
naive tusk
Making a juicy Hermes tree because he's sweet ❤️
turbid needle
Our sweet boy. 
naive tusk
That you are god-gamers
I learned how to read the game files concerning requirements and prohibitions of boon progression last night so I'm finally updating all the trees yay
naive laurel
on wiki too?
naive tusk
Uhm, I can't edit the wiki because I don't have an account there (but most importantly, its edit tools confuse me and I might mess something up)
naive laurel
Ahh well, at least a new tree to read is 
lvl good
On that note, maybe I should go edit the heroic dire misfortune number
tired elk
I think Aphrodite keepsake is pretty good for bow?
strange gull
I just started playing Hades, 22 hours in, was looking at the wiki recently and noticed this “ If you have a spammy, purely single-attack build” in the using Poms section, I have inclined to use that playstyle and its what makes the game fun for me, I tend to do it often with all the weapons and combine different boons , why should that playstyle be frowned down upon? If one does use cast and special as well in between
sullen valley
Bruh only like 1 run ago I just learned that you can dash with the Spin Slash on the spear.
I immediately got the idea to put Athena's aspect onto Attack and it kills Spreaders so fast.
strange gull
I love that feeling. This game is soo awesome.
shadow oriole
try it guan yu spin as well. huge deflects
strange gull
The slow attack and low health make it difficult to progress passed hydra
sullen valley
That I know. I jut didn't know you could Dash while charging your Spin Slash on all the other aspects
@strange gull Your Special is the strongest attack of Guan Yu's arsenal. Like Bombard on Exagryph, your attack/dash-attack (that could also work too if you want quick damage) is good for more consistent DPS, but what seems to be able to deal much more damage is the Special.
shadow oriole
special is best because its the easiest to avoid damage, especially on hydra which is all about positioning
turbid needle
Nah, Divine Strike and a Deadly Reversal prereq on Guan Yu is its best build.
Lots of invulnerability and absolutely monster damage.
strange gull
I had Zeus jolted with guan yu and various casts and Hermès fast attack, but the hydra throws multiple bombs and enemies on the second attack that the speed and retrieval and dodge from flames and fire make the stalling time till next attack too slow
Lots of invulnerability and absolutely monster damage.
@turbid needle will try that out
turbid needle
Swift Strike doesn't speed up the spin charge.
Guan Yu needs either Quick Spin or Charged Skewer.
strange gull
No the special Y throw spear
turbid needle
Swift Flourish isn't necessary for Guan Yu, either.
strange gull
Not sure of all the names. I just started playing
sullen valley
Oh, uh...the gun?
turbid needle
Exagryph, the Adamant Rail.
sullen valley
It's a bit comparable to the gun is what I'm saying, when talking about comparing their Attacks and Specials.
turbid needle
Yeah, they're both viable endgame builds, Attack and Special.
naive laurel
welp, hera with Triple cast stone zeus cast is banger I see
sullen valley
I was meaning how your Attack/Dash-Attack on both weapons aren't exactly meant for dealing loads of damage in an instant. That's reserved for the Special attack. But your Attack/Dash-Attack is more geared towards quick damage.
turbid needle
They're not bursty, but they have excellent sustained DPS.
The kind of which beats both shield gate and Damage Control, both of which stunt Special damage.
sullen valley
Aye!
thorny sierra
does anyone know how Lambent Plume sets its time limit? Does it depend on number of enemies, difficulty of enemies, what zone you're in, etc?
also does anyone have tips for Extreme Measures hydra? I rarely die to it, but on higher heat it often deals enough damage to me that I end up dying later as a result if I don't find ||Patroclus|| in Elysium. Where the hell am I supposed to stand during the invincibility phases?
naive laurel
u don't stand, 2bh.
Circling around is the best option
naive tusk
My tips for EM Hydra would be to:
- While only the main head is around, attack as you would normally
- While its other heads are around, keep circling around as you attack and avoid attacks. Staying in 1 place just means directing all their attention to a small isle where there's no room to dodge attacks. Try to eliminate 1 head at a time so you receive less focus from their attacks
sullen valley
It's kinda like training enemies. Locally, like Brightswords. Globally, like CoD Zombies.
If you stay in one place, you're cornering yourself.
Cycling around your area means you'll have to deal with less all the time, and focus your enemies into an area favorable to you.
...If, that makes sense.
I mean that the heads also seem to draw themselves towards Zagreus, so you'd have more free areas the heads could less easily attack if you're jumping around.
delicate nimbus
Hey where do I report a bug?
unkempt pagoda
press f10 in-game for a bug reporter!
delicate nimbus
The issue was interesting. I have the aphrodite boon that gives you bonus max hp and healing when you pick up those items. I went into a centaur heart room and thanatos showed up. The room's reward gave me like 36 hp. But thanatos' centaur heart only showed it as giving me 25 hp. I don't know if it was a visual bug or if it really only gave me 25 hp though....
tall yarrow
Am I correctly observing that apply a higher damage doom on an enemy that is already doomed will increase the hit without resetting the timer? I guess the Ares/Aphrodite duo is better than I thought
unkempt pagoda
@delicate nimbus i believe that boon specifies room rewards, than's heart is something extra
naive tusk
That's right. Some time ago, @stiff stone gave some feedback about letting Than's hearts also be affected by Life Affirmation 
delicate nimbus
Ah I see yeah ok charon's not being affected makes a little sense, since you didn't "earn" it, but than's you did
naive laurel
Iirc charon's centaur heart gets affected By it, I vaguely remember getting 36 max health over It sometime...
turbid prairie
Hey, I'm trying to get fully loaded to drop on an Artemis run, and I'm having trouble. If I'm reading the wiki right, I only have to get Dual Shot and Exit Wounds, and it should theoretically unlock? Am I doing anything wrong, or am I just getting screwed by RNG?
shadow oriole
as far as im aware you need both
naive tusk
The wiki isn't updated but I can send you a picture of the updated info if you wish
In fact, I just found out that Support Fire is now a tier 2 haha
unkempt pagoda
you need both dual shot and exit wounds for it to show up in the boon pool
it's still rng on whether it shows up
naive laurel
Should we have a wiki update squad since this outdate thing keeps happening?
naive tusk
I would love to help with that but like I said, the tools confuse me 
It'd be lovely if people formed a squad for a solidarity cause
turbid prairie
@naive tusk yeah I wouldn't mind that updated picture if you please. thanks very much!
naive tusk
I will post the link to the album with all the boon trees once I finish doing Hermes'
Why is Artemis such a complicated goddess?
naive laurel
I tried to edit for the first time, Did took me a while but the logic of the tool is not very hard Imo.
U guys can @ me on some Changes u wanna do and I'll see what I can do about It.
This tree I might just grab ANd put It there later tonight
naive tusk
That'd be helpful. Many put their faith in the older version and then find out that it was in vain. Artemis' is the most searched of all
Ironically, Aphrodite's tree is the most simple one 
naive tusk
How?
naive laurel
by uploading it, ofc
naive tusk
Just upload it 😊
naive laurel
👍
well i see the watermark after typing your full discord handle in description lul, whatev, the more sources the better
it's there now
yep, imma go get the PoP page done now too
it's so outdated
earnest ravine
There's some grammatical jankiness in the description paragraph.
naive laurel
Which condition?
earnest ravine
It's mainly just readability things. Like "In the regular play-through," scans weirdly, a more natural phrasing would be "in a regular playthrough", stuff like that. It's not technically wrong but it stumbles.
The actual table and information all looks right, though.
naive laurel
Oh ok that's barely my doing :p I only touched the table
I can go see if wording can be changed on the parts u said about.
earnest ravine
Not a top priority! Grammar and spell checking is my normal job when people have me look over stuff, so it stands out to me more.
naive tusk
@naive laurel You are a credit to the wiki update squad!
naive laurel
Oh I'm fing bored, lul, and it forgot to say hell mode has 16 conditions, and I forgot to change condition number too/
There might be a need of table for the benefits package traits and effects, but ugh that's a bit too much for me today.
tired elk
Do I have to unlock each aspect to unlock the fourth one?
naive tusk
Copy pasting what Greg said in a pin:
Unlocking the Aspect of Arthur ||requires first having unlocked the Aspect of Guan Yu, then having invested 5 or more Titan Blood into any Blade aspects. Nyx should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.||
As for Aspect of Guan Yu.....
I forgot 😋
tired elk
I should've just googled it sorry
naive laurel
@naive tusk Oh yeah but I guess a more detailed number need to be datamined, I'll take this to the page first tho. Iirc slugger is double dmg.
naive tusk
According to a quick search ||spend 6 titan blood across multiple aspects and then Achilles will tell you about the spear.||
No worries! I'm glad if I can help somehow
Ah, I just copy pasted what the patch notes said over the List of Prophecies XD
tired elk
||2 parts to hades correct?||
naive tusk
What do you mean by 2 parts?
naive laurel
Yep got it done, cropped it to this
https://imgur.com/a/Qs4Hxn5
Sure footing is 90% on epic rn right
naive tusk
Let me see...
naive laurel
what is common and rare value?
fallow niche
naive laurel
Imma just go take a wild guess on the rare and common value lul
iirc bronze skin is fixed 5% common now right
naive tusk
Hmm.... I can't decipher the values for Sure Footing but I remember seeing 90% on epic last time I got it
turbid needle
Thanks for breaking Fully Loaded right before we got Stygian Soul, Forge. 
naive laurel
Yep me too, so imma just..ya know.
turbid needle
It is 90.
naive laurel
Imma guess common is 60 and rare is 75
turbid needle
Boons don't always scale linearly.
naive laurel
cuz i got a faint memory of those number on it
naive tusk
And according to this info:
Common =
{
Multiplier = 1.0,
},
Rare =
{
Multiplier = 1.5,
},
Epic =
{
Multiplier = 2.0,
},
Heroic =
{
Multiplier = 2.5,
unkempt pagoda
i'd rather no information on the wiki than misinformation
naive laurel
Yes, but the base on wiki is 5% to 10%
which is funny
@unkempt pagoda I mean, the wiki version was 40%-60% so it's definitely misinformation
I'll put ?? on it for undefined
Wait, when did merciful end get nerfed
I swear it was 50
turbid needle
It's been nerfed many times over the last year.
unkempt pagoda
it is
turbid needle
Is it not still 50?
naive laurel
Oh i mean last time I see it it was 50
so that's another change to apply to the page...
naive tusk
It's still 50
naive laurel
F it, next time imma go w/ a run w/ last 3 talents disabled to see the numbers of common base on those boons
So many numbers being suspiciously wrong to memory
naive tusk
Or pay Demeter a visit and ask nicely for a Rare Crop ❄️
naive laurel
When I got trash quality boons I always go for her :p
Oh f
I need to change other 2 merciful end entries
Holy
the merciful end on athena's page was 90
the one on duo boon page is flipping 120
tired elk
I'm trying a run without any healing talents from the mirror on
naive laurel
ancient numbers lul
tired elk
forgot to put them on ;__;
tired elk
Almost lost a life at the snake guy XD
only have 2 saving lives thingies
but thank you @naive tusk
dense locust
Merciful end used to add 120 to doom damage!?
naive tusk
Yes~
dense locust
That's fun. I wish impending doom did something for a merciful end build
naive laurel
I'm like, holy
tired elk
Ares or Aphrodite better for Special damage I forgot ;__;
dense locust
that question depends on a number of factors
tired elk
oh ares doesn't even give damage to special
ANOTHER QUESTION
I could've just googled
dense locust
ares special just adds a flat damage on hit and doesn't affect the damage your special does. Aphro increases the base damage of your special by the most of any god
tired elk
why do I do this
earnest ravine
You probably won't be able to apply Doom super consistently with gun's special, which kinda stinks.
dense locust
Yeah doom on rail special is not ideal
tired elk
I should actually try Dionysus with gun
naive laurel
OMFG the duo boon page is hurting my ocd
dense locust
Doom on attack can work if you get the duo Merciful End
naive laurel
the formatting, ugh
earnest ravine
Hey, sometimes Google doesn't help! Outdated answers, conflicting ones, Wrong ones...
tired elk
I have resorted just to the max ammo on the Gun
the aspect where you need to be in the blast radius
hurts my brain too much
earnest ravine
Hestia might be more to your tastes, but it becomes more of a sniper rifle with some extra bullets on the side.
naive tusk
@tired elk feel free to ask here! We are a community and don't mind helping each other at all
tired elk
Aye I got rocket bomb here we go @dense locust
Just sucks I forgot to put on my 3 health per gate lol
naive tusk
You can do it!
naive laurel
@earnest ravine https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons
Tell me if u think the 2nd paragraph numbers not in green should be green
dense locust
If you got it room 1 (or close to it), you can always choose the option "Give up" in the start menu and then make sure your mirror traits are in order. The seed for that run will not reset and you'll still be offered the same hammer choices room 1
naive laurel
Btw, is sea storm still 40?
dense locust
Last I saw it was
shadow oriole
yes
naive tusk
"...and Chaos, though they offer Boons, will never offer Duo Boons."
I would change it to:
"... and Chaos, who, despite offering boons, will never offer Duo Boons."
earnest ravine
I'm not sure what you mean about the green numbers thing, really. Nothing seems overtly wrong there.
naive laurel
Oh i mean I greened most numbers like "successive hit dmg" on curse of longing, and "bonus critical damage" on Heart rend
and that wording is done
they used to be all plain color, so i just went in and greened them cuz it's mostly so on other pages.
earnest ravine
Oh! Yeah, it seemed stylistically consistent with the rest of the wiki, so good work!
(downside to doing a good job: no one realizes that you did so)
tired elk
Arctic blast actually good with the gun
I would feel I would rather just keep the 10 stacks on them lol
but 140 is a big number XD
naive laurel
Demeter is good on both rapid fire weapons and slow weapons due to this thing helping the rapid, while killing freeze helps the slower one
earnest ravine
Arctic Blast is kinda weird? Especially if you get the Killing Freeze boon. It's good up front damage but cuts you off from a really beefy dot sometimes.
naive laurel
Oh it's a choice imo
tired elk
Bull chill doesn't have a dot
naive laurel
I once went snow burst and killing freeze immediately before hades
carried the fight at least a bit
Wait, nourished soul should be considered consumable right
And rare crop too
unkempt pagoda
nourished soul has a passive effect
naive laurel
yes but it cannot be sold, and athena's dd replenishing boons are consumable and not sellable too
I think we can consider changing "consumable" to "unsellable" across the wiki if we want to be not misleading
or we can just say it's "consumable" since they do have a consumable portion
unkempt pagoda
unsellable works
naive laurel
lemme go get the athena ones changed too
any other similar ones?
Poseidon's is fully consumable so, u know
"Life Threshold value reduced by Grim Inevitability."
holy how old is this
naive laurel
Looks fine to me, I presume it's styx
tired elk
@naive tusk It's gonna happen
cunning urchin
Duo Boons can only be obtained with the correct prerequisite boons, and like normal boons, are lost when Zagreus dies and returns to the House of Hades.
Should be:
Duo Boons can only be obtained with the correct prerequisite boons and[,] like normal boons, are lost when Zagreus dies and returns to the House of Hades.
tired elk
Question about final boss -> ||How many phases does Hades have||
delicate nimbus
Hey I was wondering are there any dumb glitch-tricks in this game? Like in enter the gungeon, when you clear a room ammo drops, and if you don't pick it up in time a rat comes and takes it away. But you can do some weird spawning by teleporting to other rooms and quickly coming back, and you'll despawn the rat and you can leave the ammo box and come back for it later in the run.
tired elk
I'm about to fight the final boss
naive laurel
2
tired elk
ok thanks
naive laurel
@cunning urchin
Duo Boons can only be obtained with the correct prerequisite boons and, like normal boons, they are lost when Zagreus dies and returns to the House of Hades.
Added a they
and, ofc the punctuation
cunning urchin
Actually if you add a they the punctuation needs to change now because the sentence introduced by and is now independent.
naive laurel
f me... I'll just go w/ ur way
naive tusk
Good luck 🍀
cunning urchin
naive laurel
yes I just gave consent
steel sable
Attack them from a distance
naive laurel
break'em from a distance
steel sable
Sometimes you can just ignore 'em
tired elk
the boss spawns them so often though :/
steel sable
You can usually get rid of the ones that are important to get rid of in time
naive laurel
And hope he don't laser them when they are still up
steel sable
Well you see, that's why you want some death defiances stored up
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
gray lintel
advancing kick, faster specials, posideon special, thunder on special. i've got ENERGY LEGS.
cunning urchin
Now you get to see the ending and end credits and everything.
naive laurel
Ok, what's love affirmation's numbers? 42 at epic and 30 at common?
cuz that is outdated af too
tired elk
I saw no credits ;__;
cunning urchin
Why not? What happened?
tired elk
||I died LOL||