h1-builds-and-combat

[naive laurel]

Spear special dps is Pretty low until u get a Hammer upgrade, Which u can't control, unlike boons

[gray lintel]

So I don't know what you're talking about with a "slower attack".

Well yes, I wouldn't go into a game expecting to do an effective spear special build.

Blade has heavy attacks and is pretty much the clear DPS option yeah. (even if artemis spear dashes outdamage everything by orders of magnitude)

[naive laurel]

but u can go into a game with Chaoes shield on 25-30 heat with Ares keepsake and say "this is won"

[gray lintel]

If it works for your playstyle, sure.

[shadow oriole]

you can attack faster with most other weapons then the spear, and it has a long delay on some of its attacks, with only ||artur|| sword and bow being slower

[gray lintel]

Me, gun works the best for me and I have the most success with it

I blame the special for gun, honestly.

Okay so, get the double dash. Then graba spear and just... play around with it on skelli boi.

[shadow oriole]

spread fire rail with artemis dash will beat spear

[gray lintel]

Dashes reset your attack cooldown. So you can attack, dashattack, dashattack.

With +X dashes from hermes(pretty common), this gets even more insane as you can spam dashattacks in the combo while remaining extremely mobile.

[shadow oriole]

yeah thats how I play spear, and spread fire rail does it better

[gray lintel]

Spears don't need to reload, and spear outranges gun.

[shadow oriole]

ok. spread fire rail will clear most rooms before you need to reload

[naive laurel]

If u want dash atk reset, fist is better

[gray lintel]

Spear massively outranges fist. :p

[naive laurel]

especially with zeus/aretemis

range is No problem when they are permastunned

[gray lintel]

Although granted, I haven't actually played much with spear, the dash specials seem to have surprisingly high range.

The same could be said of most weapons though :p it's not exactly hard to permastun enemies.

[shadow oriole]

fists are a lot faster you can keep enemies staggered pretty easily

[naive laurel]

Amd If they are not, range still doesnt matter much at 40% overtime

[turbid needle]

Guan Yu/Hades with Serrated Edge, Hunter Dash, and Deadly Strike.

Arguably scarier than Nemesis.

[gray lintel]

heck you can even do so with the blade with what feels like the slowest attack speed in teh game(even if you don't dash cancel)

bow's admittedly a weird option and probably IMO the most advanced of the weapons

it's got high damage though, high attack speed with dash attacks, and high damage

if you get the timing down right you can have a constant stream of 40 damage powershots

[shadow oriole]

yeah bow is not bad but having to stand still sucks

[gray lintel]

then don't

[turbid needle]

You're not really standing still for very long.

[gray lintel]

dash attacks

[turbid needle]

It does not take a significant amount of time to charge a Dash attack.

[gray lintel]

dash attacks charge up for like half a second or less and have pretty easy timing IMO

they charge significantly faster than regular attacks

[shadow oriole]

dash attacks do less damage and still takes a little time to charge on the bow

[turbid needle]

Finally, someone who understands me and Zag Aspect.

[naive laurel]

this is the major reason I get dash attack bonus for bow

[turbid needle]

Slightly less damage and significantly less charge-time.

[naive laurel]

normal attack charge gets u killed

[gray lintel]

you can outrun all enemies in the game while still dodging if you dash attack chain

[turbid needle]

Little enough to be reliable and safe.

[shadow oriole]

you can do that with all weapons though

[turbid needle]

Including the bow so what's the problem?

"All weapons are viable." Good!

[shadow oriole]

yeah I never said they werent

[gray lintel]

Bow's definitely the hardest to make work IMO.

[naive laurel]

just Imagine bow dash atk doing 180 dmg while normal does 80

[gray lintel]

Because it does require practice to get power shots off every single time.

but you can just do like crazy stuff with it. Like Sniper Shot for +300% damage at the very tip. Twin Shot doubles your DPS at the cost of reduced range(less of a problem if you dash chain)

[turbid needle]

I'll say here that I still think Sniper Shot is bad for the simple fact that it doesn't tell you where the bonus is.

[tired elk]

Is Duo the rarity above Epic?

[gray lintel]

Explosive Shot could still be doable despite the double charge time.

[turbid needle]

No, Heroic is.

Duo and Legendary are unique.

[tired elk]

is duo above heroic?

oh ok

[shadow oriole]

definitely, its why its my only clears over 40 min arre with the bow

[gray lintel]

@turbid needle huh i remember that you see a mark in the charge indicator with it

[sullen valley]

You know what would be a funny idea for a Hades Achievement?

[turbid needle]

Wait, really?

[sullen valley]

Killing 3 witches within a second of each other with Chaos's Aspect

[gray lintel]

maybe? i could be misremembering though

but I recall there's like a line at the end of the charge indicator that it crosses

[turbid needle]

Hot dang, I haven't taken it in months, that's cool to hear.

[shadow oriole]

I dont think snipe shot has a marker, but the damage bonus applies at about the max range before the extra range from snipe shot

[turbid needle]

It's a fixed distance at all times?

[shadow oriole]

yes

[gray lintel]

Wiki states 650 units is the cutoff.

anyway other things with bow

Hera Aspect: have you ever played with casts and thought i like this but I have to get too close to use it

with hera aspect it is no more

insane burst damage it's so fun

[shadow oriole]

hera aspect is great. trippy shot lets you one shot most enemies I love it

[gray lintel]

Chiron can possibly have the most procs of any weapon whatsoever.

zagreus aspect is just.... generically... good I guess?

i mean it's special effect basically reads "+30% damage" so...

(it makes crit a bit more reliable too)

[turbid needle]

I used it for 32 Heat.

[shadow oriole]

nice. that has to have been tough

[turbid needle]

Not the worst.

[gray lintel]

but yeah defend is nice but shield is kind of slow and clunky compared to other weapons. And slow and clunky could mean you take more damage.

[unkempt pagoda]

zag aspect with triple shot + chain shot is one of the best builds in the game send tweet

[naive laurel]

Oh my clunky goes to bow 100%

[gray lintel]

I kind of want to make Zeus Aspect work but I don't have the titan blood to do so :/

not if you play with dash attacks~

[naive laurel]

special roots u for .5s ,that's annoyIng af

[gray lintel]

(seriously once you learn dash attacks with bow it's so great and fun)

[turbid needle]

I used Aspect of Chaos after a bunch of Zeus runs and it's so much easier/better it's hilarious.

[gray lintel]

says the person who uses the shield that stops you from attacking when you throw it :p

[naive laurel]

dash atk don't do much unless u get Chain shot

[gray lintel]

Zeus is gimmicky and I'm not entirely sure good yeah

[naive laurel]

bro, u don't need to attack, that's the whole point

[turbid needle]

It needs to chase enemies by default.

[gray lintel]

I mostly think it would be fun to like use it as a primary attack by hovering onto people.

[turbid needle]

Actually, you gotta use at least two attacks (swing + Bull Rush) to make Chaos work.

I really like Zeus's gimmick, but I think a weak homing effect would be cool.

[naive laurel]

chaoes aspect is just, hold bullrush, find window to land infront of enemy, special, 1 shield immediately returns, start charging bullrush again, rinse and repeat

if u miss the return, dash out

[gray lintel]

Zeus might need a bit of 'autoaim' yes.

[turbid needle]

I was thinking last night that a third Hammer in Styx with 2-3 Aspect-unique options would be awesome.

[gray lintel]

Otherwise you have to play a lot with it to 'guide' it in the right path.

[turbid needle]

And that way you could really hone down a build.

[gray lintel]

Fists so far from what I've seen are kinda fun, like short range rapid fire stuff.

I unironically like TalosAspect. It's fun.

you just suck people in and PAUNCH

[turbid needle]

It's really good!

I just think Zag and Demeter are way better.

[gray lintel]

even with a level 1 and only a +8% bonus it's a neat thing

[naive laurel]

bow dash attack is like

"I find a window, I root myself for .5s after dash, I do 150 dmg to an enemy in a line"

[shadow oriole]

if they made zeus shield let you throw out more then one it would probably be good

[gray lintel]

i mean okay yeah 15% attack speed is good

I'm like 90% sure you can charge the bow during the dash.

[turbid needle]

Yeah, the grab one of those unique Hera-esque special abilities that works from level 1.

[gray lintel]

like, dashes in hades are weird and have a lot of quirky mechanics with them

for example, did you know that you can attack before a dash and it still counts as a dash attack?

[tired elk]

Trippy shot or Drunken Strike?

[gray lintel]

i don't know your build tbh

[tired elk]

I don't have one

[unkempt pagoda]

weapon?

[tired elk]

I've only died like 13 times

[gray lintel]

uhhh

[tired elk]

The spear

[gray lintel]

what weapon

[shadow oriole]

trippy shot

[turbid needle]

You should play more and start to build opinions for yourself.

[gray lintel]

drunken strike is pretty good with the spear

[turbid needle]

You'll learn the game much more quickly that way.

[gray lintel]

trippy shot is the generically good for all builds option tho

[unkempt pagoda]

i don't usually take dio other than for his cast anymore, hangover has fallen off for me

[gray lintel]

i unironically like hangover but you need a lotta poms and build investment to make it work

(and fast attacks)

they're like casts in that they help you via making you have to worry less about dealing damage

[shadow oriole]

hangover is great, especially on dash since its an easy way to get privileged position

[naive laurel]

I'd say hangover is best suited to weapon dmg lower than 15, after that it's better to get something like artemis or demeter

[naive tusk]

You should play more and start to build opinions for yourself.
@turbid needle 👏🏼 this

[naive laurel]

even zeus can compete with the hangover at this moment because how powerful jolted is imo.

[shadow oriole]

yeah it works best on the fast weapons to stack it and then move to another enemy

[gray lintel]

i used to be eh on hangover but.... DOTs thing again is that it's passive damage that lets you dodge attacks

[naive tusk]

Whoops sorry for the ping

[naive laurel]

zeus can stagger multiple enemies

[gray lintel]

they have the spear not zeus shield :p

other boons to hangover builds: numbing sensation is great, any kind of slow is great

festive fog is (imo) the best cast by far, it both slows enemies and deal large amounts of AOE damage

[turbid needle]

Hangover is also tied to Black Out, arguably the best Legendary in the game.

[gray lintel]

positive outlook is unironically pretty dang good

[turbid needle]

Only slows unarmored enemies.

[gray lintel]

bad influence.... is probably pretty good? even bosses tend to have 3 foes or so around

[naive laurel]

the zeus attack spear? it can stagger 4 enemies at the same time

even if u only hit 1 enemy

[gray lintel]

premium vintage is a really neat meta perk and life restore is great(especially if not that skilled)

[naive laurel]

not to mention there are some questionable tier 2 boons from dio

[gray lintel]

I... can't find any? :S

[turbid needle]

Bad Influence.

I'm not a fan of it.

[gray lintel]

i mean okay maybe peer pressure but that seems decently AOE

eeeeh

[turbid needle]

No way, I forgot about Peer Pressure.

[gray lintel]

i mean yeah having 3 foes is kind of hard but

[turbid needle]

Oof, that one is bad.

[unkempt pagoda]

bad influence is a boon that encourages less application of itself

[turbid needle]

No, it encourages you to spread Hangover.

[gray lintel]

well i mean hey if you're a bow build and your attacks chain...

[naive tusk]

I’m not a fan of Peer Pressure and Bad Influence either

[naive laurel]

Bad Influence
Peer Pressure
After Party (yep I don't like it)

[naive tusk]

I just spread the hangover myself and choose the 3rd option all the time

[gray lintel]

also dionysus just has really solid duos I think

[turbid needle]

After Party is good if you get it at Epic.

[unkempt pagoda]

tbf i think most of dio's entire tree outside of his main two effects (hangover and trippy shot) isn't too great

[turbid needle]

Otherwise it's mediocre or not great.

[gray lintel]

After Party can be excellent at higher ranks yeah but ehhh

after party is absolutely garbage tier at higher heat levels tho cause healing reduction pact of punishment nerfs it heavily :p

[unkempt pagoda]

i hope the new update brings some new life to his whole thing

[turbid needle]

I almost never take Lasting Consequences.

[naive tusk]

Numbing Sensation is good imo

[turbid needle]

Dionysus is A-tier right now, though.

[naive laurel]

dio's duo is mostly limited either by being paired with some medicore gods or linked to fog

[gray lintel]

but yeah Scintillating Feast: possibly one of his best duos. Lightning damage in fog? sweeeeet

[naive laurel]

But, if u got zeus, usually u don't need dio

[gray lintel]

Low tolerancce is more hangover if you care about that. Demeter duo is +50% damage apparently and applies chill which is great.

[unkempt pagoda]

i almost exclusively use dio for his cast and cast duos

[naive laurel]

both takes the rapid application slot

[gray lintel]

If I have zeus, I like to pick up dio for Festive Fog because A. i really like fog B. more damage

[turbid needle]

Dionysus is safer than Zeus.

[unkempt pagoda]

and now that family favorite exists, i usually don't take hangover either

[gray lintel]

oh also Exclusive Access

"all boons are Epic+"

[turbid needle]

You can apply Hangover and run away, but unless you have Cold Fusion you need to keep applying Lightning.

[gray lintel]

if you can get that early on

[shadow oriole]

I only ever see exclusive access in styx so never take it

[turbid needle]

Getting Exclusive Access or Sweet Nectar in Tartarus and then selling the Poseidon core. 👌

[shadow oriole]

just like I usually see rare crop when I only have 1 boon

[turbid needle]

Did you guys know that Duos act as both gods in regards to Family Favorite?

[naive tusk]

So heartless~ haha

[unkempt pagoda]

dio, demeter, and zeus is an S-tier build core though

[gray lintel]

poseidon is weird

they're like super meta

[unkempt pagoda]

great duos with each other that basically wreck the game

[naive tusk]

I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting us know

[gray lintel]

aside from zeus + poseidon most of poseidons stuff is either dealing with regular mobs or meta things

blizzard shot seems really fun tho

[turbid needle]

Yeah, I got Exclusive Access, then sold whatever the Poseidon boon was, and kept the damage.

[naive laurel]

dio's cast is imo one of the harder-to-use ones, it also makes the 50% from lodged cast stone useless when u are doing either attack or special build

[gray lintel]

(also unironically I think Poseidon has the best call)

[unkempt pagoda]

makes up for it by being really strong on its own

[naive laurel]

the benefit is the duo boons

[tired elk]

Does the sparkly things on the ground do anything story wise?

[gray lintel]

(fight me :x)

[tired elk]

or are they just there for amusement purposes

[gray lintel]

@tired elk you get words

they tell you things

[tired elk]

that's it?

[naive laurel]

any impervious call is good call

[gray lintel]

possibly neat things!

well, yeah

[tired elk]

sorry just wondering XD

[gray lintel]

hades is very narrative based and a lot of the stuff you just do to hear things

[turbid needle]

unless your Poseidon glitches and careens you into magma or other traps

[unkempt pagoda]

you can interact with the sparkles to hear lore from the narrator

[gray lintel]

yeet

i also kind of at some point want to make a Killing Freeze build

downside: have to chill every enemy

[turbid needle]

Aspect of Chaos Frost Flourish.

[gray lintel]

upside: 40% slow, 20%ish slow, and decent DOT

[shadow oriole]

its good on final boss since its just one enemy most of the fight

[gray lintel]

i don't like shield tbh :S too slow I guess

[delicate nimbus]

Hey what am I supposed to do about these poisoning saytrs? I can't seem to dodge them at all lol

[turbid needle]

Holy Shield or Broken Spearpoint.

[gray lintel]

kill them first :v

I usually try to time dodges for their shots I guess.

[earnest ravine]

listen for the sound and dash after they inhale.

[naive laurel]

killing freeze build is op against boss

[earnest ravine]

It's the best tell you have for it.

[gray lintel]

Also even if they poison you they don't exactly deal damage fast

[naive laurel]

ANY boss

wait, lemme see if i remembered correctly what that is

[gray lintel]

i'm admittedly kind of lazy about it because if you're fast at getting to the poison thing they deal like

3 damage

[naive laurel]

Nah, I just cvasually pick it up in styx usually

30 raw dps against hades? yes plz

[naive tusk]

@delicate nimbus This is one of those cases where Spent Spirit is life 💛

Or a boon that can deflect also works

[naive laurel]

Oh btw, just won a 20 heat chaoes shield curse of pain game while half of the time looking at discord on phone

[delicate nimbus]

What is spent spirit?

[unkempt pagoda]

satyrs pull their heads back and make a noise before they fire

[earnest ravine]

Aphrodite/Athena duo boon,.

[turbid needle]

Athena/Aphro Duo, 30% slower enemy projectiles.

[unkempt pagoda]

but they can be tricky to dodge regardless

[naive tusk]

It’s Aphrodite & Athen- yep, beat me to it

[gray lintel]

30% slower foe projectile speed

it's kinda cool

[naive laurel]

imo it's pretty good until u don't rely on movement to dodge projectiles anymore

regardless, it's good that hades' cast won't hit u outta nowhere anymore

still, imo, among bottom 3 duo boons

[earnest ravine]

Also if you want to get used to seeing the actual tell so you can dodge it normally, the 4'th sword aspect is a safe way to do that because it practically turns the projectiles into normal speed ones.

Not good to rely on for a while, but a good way to recognise "this noise means the thing's coming".

[naive tusk]

It becomes a pain when there are 3-4 satyrs firing at different intervals all the while you have to deal with a big purple gorgonhead or some rats

Not to mention with +40% Forced Overtime

[naive laurel]

athena time

[earnest ravine]

40% overtime is why i mainly focus on sound cues. at least those are consistent

[turbid needle]

Nothing will ever be as terrifying as x6 damage/+50% speed Alecto.

[naive laurel]

wait, how do u achieve that

[gray lintel]

oh yeah also how does attack speed/special speed scaling work

[turbid needle]

Like, Hermes's boons?

[earnest ravine]

And I;'ll raise you Alecto assist on final phase Tisiphone with a sawblade.

[gray lintel]

if you have +50% attack speed, do you attack 1.5x faster or 2x faster

[earnest ravine]

With said modifiers

[turbid needle]

Damage past 2x was removed the same update as Extreme Measures was implemented, I believe.

[earnest ravine]

...oh.

[turbid needle]

Even Hades has longer tells than Alecto, her regular swipe attack is borderline frame 1.

[naive tusk]

@gray lintel +50% attack speed means you attack 1.5x faster

[gray lintel]

hmmm

just making sure I didn't miss anything, because +12% didn't seem like much

[naive tusk]

If you have Aspect of Zeus and a +20% faster Special, it means the shield will travel faster

I suppose same goes for Exagryph’s Special (bomb travels faster)

[turbid needle]

I know Zeus travels faster, I'm not 100% on the Bombard travel speed, but it does significantly reduce time-to-Attack after using Special.

[tired elk]

I really like teh chain lightning from Zeus

good or bad idea? lol

[gray lintel]

it depends(again) on the weapon

[tired elk]

I mean on cast

my bad

[shadow oriole]

the cast is nice, grab it with Poseidon sword for some nice room clear

[delicate nimbus]

Do the chefs in the lounge ever do anything?

Seems like a lot of space for no use

[naive tusk]

You can turn fishes you catch during a run in after you escape or die in exchange for some rewards

[delicate nimbus]

Ah kk

[proud storm]

wait when did we get a new mod

[unkempt pagoda]

yesterday, and there's three new ones!

Caitlin💃Yesterday at 8:50 PM
Only a few!! Babs, Peach, and Aggy joined today. 😄

[fallow niche]

Why does meg miss the Hydra every single time

Oh my god

She also drops hits now so I really don't see a point to using her anymore

[delicate nimbus]

I threw a full aphrodite call at the Hydra today and it careened off onto a mob lol

[unkempt pagoda]

i heard battie depends on the position of your shoulders

[fallow niche]

Shoulders?

[unkempt pagoda]

like, perpendicular to them, but take that with a grain of salt

haven't tested it myself

[fallow niche]

She seems to have fine aim normally, but in the Hydra fight she ends up completely out into the lava on the other side of the room

[proud storm]

ooohhh

[fallow niche]

Like she's not aligned with Zag OR the hydra

This has been a consistent problem

This is EM2 btw

[naive tusk]

Hihi 😊

[fallow niche]

Hello peach

[gray lintel]

okay yeah quake cutter is good if you want to just spam special

especially I think with just a touch faster specials

downside i am absolutely terrible vs. the final boss :/

[tired elk]

Golden Touch means everytime we clear an encounter

or just everytime we beat a boss?

[weak rivet]

Boss

[gray lintel]

Boss. The math about comes out to you needing to make sure you have at least 220 gold after an encounter to match the other talent.

er, boss

[weak rivet]

Not buy anything before the first two bosses and watch the cash money, I see

Me, kicking the door in to Styx after having my butt nailed to the wall cause i didnt purchase anything ever: CHARON I BRING MONEY AND RAGE

[gray lintel]

deadly reversal 4th boon in first area gg

also dang ruthless dodge is OP early on

it's hilarious with athena dodge because apparently dodging into an attack(for the deflection) also counts as ruthless

[tired elk]

Oh golden touch only gives you gold after a boss

that kinda sucks for a new player like me XD

[gray lintel]

yeah it's basically to afford end game items in styx i think

[tired elk]

The snake boss isn't suppose to be easy by any means right

Because I am getting my ass handed to me XD

Stubborn defiance seems pretty good?

idk

[weak rivet]

For the beginning, sure!

Later it kinda falls off to death defiance

Since youll be good enough to not die in the first two areas

But yes Hydra is not an easy boss by no means

I also got murdered xD

[tired elk]

The murder boss is also annoying :/

[naive laurel]

hydra is more about knowing what head does what, and Not dash into the lava ||If u have extreme measures on.|| Since the camera is less zoomed so the dash distance is different visually

[autumn tapir]

golden touch is my preferred choice over the other one

if you don't have a particular god you're chasing in tartarus and you aren't using Butterfly/Plume, you can take Chthonic Coin Purse for a head start on building some obol capital

you can still buy one or two boons before styx and still have enough to mostly clear the shop, excluding the 1500 items

[naive laurel]

Imo golden cast is better for lower heat, then goes down after higher, but when convenience fee is selected at even higher heat, It goes back up again.

[autumn tapir]

actually hold up now I want to share my mirror loadout
time to boot up the game

[naive laurel]

No rush

[autumn tapir]

ok I run

Shadow Presence
Chthonic Vitality
Death Defiance
Greater Reflex
Abyssal/Boiling Blood (these are both equally good imo)
Stygian Soul
Golden Touch
High Confidence
Family Favorite
Olympian Legacy
Gods' Chosen
Fated Authority

[naive laurel]

I barely have much overlap, ANd u picked some of the obviously worse ones out of 2, now I'm curious

[autumn tapir]

hm? which ones do you think are worse

[naive laurel]

high confidence is worse than tough skin
Iirc god's chosen is run-specific room chance? more epic is better
Not sure about greater reflex but ruthless is usually enough until very high heat

[autumn tapir]

high confidence is only worse if you are getting hit often
tough skin is somewhat redundant if you're using something like Arthur Aspect, or are just able to dodge

Gods' Chosen is iffy, more epic is on average better but Gods' Chosen makes it easier to go for specific duos/legendaries (I've gotten a lot of duos and legendaries using it) for a certain build

ruthless reflex I genuinely believe is one of the worse mirror talents, beaten only by whatever the Vitality alternate is and Stubborn Defiance. two dashes is so useful even in low heat due to providing more survivability, mobility, and damage via dash boons

[turbid needle]

I much prefer Dark Regeneration to Chthonic Vitality.

[autumn tapir]

I wanted to like Dark Regeneration

but imo the healing is so low and I'd prefer a more consistent heal

[empty mason]

any bow ideas to heat 32? i would like to try

[tired elk]

Is 20 escape attempts ok to not defeat the snake boss yet?

with it being my first try?

[turbid needle]

Don't worry about that.

For real, log off Discord and just play the game. You will not learn effectively or efficiently like this.

[tired elk]

I was just wondering

got any good music for me to listen to while I grind this out?

[turbid needle]

The game's OST.

[tired elk]

so just listen to the game?

or look up on youtube and look up the OST

[turbid needle]

@autumn tapir See, that's how I feel about CV. Taking a Darkness Trove is often a full heal, and Darkness drops in Wells and in shops proper are still plentiful.

[tired elk]

Just listen to the game?

[turbid needle]

You also don't run into the issue of room after room of wasted healing that then doesn't refill quickly enough before a boss or other challenging fight (admittedly you often get chances to heal regardless before, but popping a Trove for a full heal right before the Barge of Death is very nice).

The 3 HP per room just wasn't enough for me.

[autumn tapir]

I guess I can see your point

troves are bit less consistent than I'd appreciate if I'm relying on them for healing

[shadow oriole]

I found I missed to healing per room in styx though

like its nice to heal from darkness but it sucks in styx with no healing

[dense locust]

I agree with Schpoon about first starting out. I didn't even touch the wiki for quite a while and I feel like just jumping into the game over and and over lets you learn things a lot faster. After a while, it then becomes advantageous to know exactly how to manipulate rng and the different boon tiers and what not by asking questions here and studying the wiki

[turbid needle]

That is true, Bobert.

[tired elk]

I'm turning subtitles off just to force myself to listen to this amazing game XD

[autumn tapir]

subtitles are pretty handy

[earnest ravine]

@tired elk It's good to keep the game sound loud, especially if you're still learnnig. There's a lot of audio cues that save your life when you're still figuring out patterns.

[tired elk]

thank you everyone ❤️

[covert tide]

Re: dark regeneration, the healing from darkness rooms may be low, but the healing from darkness troves is amazing

And from bosses if you’ve already got their bounties

[gray lintel]

advancing kick is far, far faster than a regular special dang

[covert tide]

I see @turbid needle already covered it but I just want to chime in that I choose it for those reasons too

[gray lintel]

i like that it dashes behind people too

[turbid needle]

I will say the boss heal isn't quite as important because of the immediately following fountain, but it's still nice.

[covert tide]

Yes, but with lasting consequences on and being bad at boss fights I often need both hahahaha

[gray lintel]

also i am unsure if slowing effects work on bosses

43% slow on hangover is nice tho

[turbid needle]

I'm almost 99% sure it does.

[fallow niche]

it does

Can confirm

I've seen a dramatic decrease in speed on the final boss at minimum when I use slow effects on him

[round summit]

the real question: Talos or Demeter aspect?

[turbid needle]

Demeter.

[round summit]

why tho

[turbid needle]

Giga Cutter is nuts.

[round summit]

even if it takes some time to build it?

[earnest ravine]

It's really good damage and right now Talos' pull is really inconsistent.

[round summit]

it's 2 sequences of left click and 2 more punches

[turbid needle]

Yeah, Malphon is super mobile, very easy to rack up hits quickly and then blow up whatever you're fighting.

[earnest ravine]

It counts for groups of enemies hit, too.

And again, the damage when you DO have a charge? Immense.

[round summit]

oh alright

[turbid needle]

Oh yeah, Explosive Upper -> Long Knuckle is an easy clear.

[round summit]

I guess also if you throw a Hermes on it also it becomes really annoying

on attack I mean

like the 21% faster attack, you'll be exploding wreches left and right

ok now I see it's appeal

[fallow niche]

Fists are well balanced so you really can't go wrong

[winter birch]

Rather new to the game, but what do yall think are the best and worst weapons in theyre base forms

[turbid needle]

Shield is best, bow or spear is worst.

[shadow oriole]

specifically chaos aspect shield is best weapon, zag shield is still good though

[turbid needle]

Base form.

[shadow oriole]

missed that my bad

[gray lintel]

deflect with fists is fun especially on special

it's surprisingly satisfying to just counterattack with the uppercut, feels very fighting game like

[autumn tapir]

spear being the worst is news to me

and I still don't like the shield, imo sword is the best right now

[turbid needle]

You don't have to like the shield, but its good damage potential, high mobility, and unique ability to block all damage all put it well above any other weapon without an Aspect.

[gray lintel]

artemis at start of new run on fists with critical specials, time to ONE PUNCH run \o/

[dense locust]

I'm curious as to how everyone comes to their conclusions about the best and worst weapons

[turbid needle]

Hours of playtime and months of consultation with other people here.

[dense locust]

I find athena attack on fists similar to the shields ability to block

[turbid needle]

That is Boon-reliant and has a much higher skill floor.

[dense locust]

boon-reliant sure, but the skill floor ain't too high, and then with shield, there is delay time and time where you don't have your charge while your special bounces around

[turbid needle]

There is no situation in which you have to lose your block potential.

You never have to press Special.

[earnest ravine]

My own decisions are purely from a "huh, this is a niche playstyle my brain likes and thrives in. It's my favourite and I'm gonna do nothing but this set up for 200 hours until know every way I can make it sing" standpoint.

[dense locust]

Well I'd argue if you don't want to have hour+ long runs, there is a considerable amount of skill in the timing and positioning of shield

[earnest ravine]

And knowing how that playstyle works for each weapon helps figure out why I don't like the others, or ways the others are stronger, and whether or not that's a good thing.

[dense locust]

can you block hades spin attack with shield charge?

[earnest ravine]

Yeah.

[turbid needle]

Not with the charge, but with the held block.

[dense locust]

sorry thats what i meant

so that is pretty good

can you block hydra head smashes?

[earnest ravine]

Yeah, if you aim right.

[dense locust]

or are those too non-directional

[earnest ravine]

There is nothing in the game that is unblockable. You just need to be aimed towards the center of the attack's origin point.

[dense locust]

gotcha

[earnest ravine]

Sometimes it bugs out and the hitbox gets past the shield due to rapid hits, but that happens in 3 cases total that I've seen.

[dense locust]

so there is definitely a leg up over athena fists there

pretty sure those attacks I mentioned aren't deflectable

unless i've just missed the center point each time

[earnest ravine]

Spin attack is.

Head smashes are usually going too fast for me to do so reliably, so I can't tell if I'm getting the shockwave or the actual head hit.

[tired elk]

I forgot how to math
How do I figure out how much an increase 84->94% is

[dense locust]

I think its probably easier to just dodge than to move out of the center, turn, and then attack at where he's gonna land

[tired elk]

94/84 right?

[earnest ravine]

yeah but that's no FUN ;-;

[dense locust]

(94 - 84)/84 x 100

for percent increase

@tired elk

[gray lintel]

ooo draining cutter and flying cutter

one paaaaaunch

[tall yarrow]

Flying Cutter should be updated as the visual telegraph suggests a much wider range than it actually has

I mean longer.. but maybe wider too

[tired elk]

Aye beat the second boss with the bow first try

while losing 0 lives

(94/84)100 is how I found it easiest I think let me double check

Oh well that isn't for the percent increase

[gray lintel]

also draining cutter is super strong with 300 life

6 life a special kill

[earnest ravine]

I've usually had a better shot by knowing the weapon's base damage and recalculating it entirely.

Saves time if you have the raw number on hand, imo.

[tired elk]

https://imgur.com/a/rCHcWPF

This was my build for the very first snake kill

I just had to take a step back ;__;

Should I stop using bow?

or is it still viable late game?

[earnest ravine]

All weapons are viable!

Like, legit, there is no unclearable weapon. They all can be busted.

[tired elk]

dance nice

dang* lol

Bow is probably very very unpopular XD

[earnest ravine]

Every weapon is SOMEONE'S favourite. You'd be surprised.

[tepid ridge]

All weapons are functional on their own, and they become amazing at specific things. Bow is known for huge single-target/single shot damage usually.

[earnest ravine]

One of the bow's alternate forms has some of the highest burst damage potential out of the gate, but it by itself is no slouch.

[gray lintel]

bow can also apply doom pretty easily on the special

also hera is amazing

[earnest ravine]

Base bow is one of two weapons that can crit on its own merits, too, which can be really darn handy.

[kind cloud]

I'm the self-appointed president of the #BowSucksClub

[olive badge]

I really hate it how the fact that the Hydra is invulnerable during the headslam attack isn't made clear and how fast the start up is

I missed Meg 3 runs in a row on it

[earnest ravine]

Ooof

[olive badge]

I just thought I used too early and the shield is still on

maybe just add a prompt that say "dodged" on the hydra

so people would know about it

or just remove it entirely

the invincibility I mean

[kind cloud]

And I'm a staunch card-carrying member of the #chaoshieldFTW party.

[olive badge]

normally people would want to stay out of slam radius anyway

[shadow oriole]

hydra isnt invulnerable, it just dodges

[olive badge]

yeah I feel like nothing hits it during the animation at all

I used the artemis call and the arrows just chilling in midair until it stops

[shadow oriole]

its best to just not try, but you can hit it

[kind cloud]

I also have memberships to zag sword, posideon sword, guan yu spear, and all the rails. i'm clearly a man of many interests.

[earnest ravine]

The zeus special can whack it during that animation, as far as I cN tell.

It seems to have a REALLY disjointed hitbox during it, though.

[tepid ridge]

Pretty sure it’s hitbox exists when its head actually contacts the ground but there’s no real point, might as well wait, especially since I hate remembering the timing on the shockwave.

[kind cloud]

btw, did guan yu get patched?
does it no longer give+2. +3, +4. +5, +6 health regen?

[shadow oriole]

its just one per hit, 2 hits per second

[kind cloud]

right but horheristo demonstrated the following:

• eurydice will increase the life steal by +1 when picking "Ambrosia Delight".
• demeter Will IMMEDIATELY increase life steal by +1 when picking the "Rare Crop" Boon, and FURTHER increase it by +1 after every 3 encounters, up to +6 per steal.

I'm wondering if this combo was patched.

[olive badge]

can you get fully Loaded with Stygian Soul?

[earnest ravine]

This is the first I've heard of it, so probably.

Yea!

[olive badge]

I've been trying forever

not once did I get it

[earnest ravine]

Do you know the pre-reqs for Fully Loaded?

[olive badge]

so everytime I run Stygian Soul Blade Rift I always have to bring Charon pendant

yeah I do

[kind cloud]

@earnest ravine was that a reply to my question?

[olive badge]

getting double shot right

[earnest ravine]

They changed back in March, so I have to ask.

Dual shot and another tier 2

@kind cloud yeah, sorry!

[kind cloud]

Got it. Thanks.

[earnest ravine]

Exit Wounds and Dual Shot.

[olive badge]

you need both?

damn

[earnest ravine]

That was it, bluh. Yeah.

[olive badge]

I never take exit wound with blade rift

so now I understand

damn

[earnest ravine]

The literal only legendary that needs two tier twos.

It's kinda gross.

[olive badge]

well I'll be gunning for Ares's legendary then

[kind cloud]

ares legendary is the most OP legendary in the game - vicious cycle - but to maximize it, it helps to have ares dash, ares cast, and ares call.

ares' vicious cycle with just 1/3 is not as impressiv.e

i would suggest getting his dash and his cast. you can do without his call

[naive tusk]

I felt the powah one day with that

[kind cloud]

yep

[naive tusk]

Cinematic knows~

[kind cloud]

i was there

[olive badge]

nah

Vicious Cycle only need cast

you don't need anything else

[kind cloud]

i've been lucky to experience it 2-3 times on runs but heartful peach's combo was the best because peach could dash and cast so the damage was continual

[olive badge]

just have 3 cast and stygian soul (one from the well and one from Chaos preferably)

simply because the cast one scales and the other 2 doesn't

[kind cloud]

@olive badge
maybe if you have like 4-8 casts with hermes auto recall

[olive badge]

double shot and Poseidon Aspect

or demeter aspect

[kind cloud]

meh

[olive badge]

it'll literally melt

did you know double shot also interact with vicious cycle

so you ramp up much faster?

the Call actually suck IMO lmao

the dash is fine, but I'd rather have Athena

[kind cloud]

see, i enjoy dashing around because i play very aggressively; most cast builds i've seen will fire from a corner.

by having ares on dash i can keep the chain loop going; that's my reasoning but i understand what you're saying with double shot

[olive badge]

Blade Rift cast in particular can't do that, because you'll want to hit them with the rift up close for full rift duration

and since I'll be dashing near them, Athena Dash is prefered because on high heat some final boss attack will cut me in half lmao

[kind cloud]

right, but by having dash i can connect cast right to dash rift to cast right to dash right to cast rift (in place of double shot)

double shot in that sequence is just overkill

[olive badge]

plus Artemis + Athena's duo let blade rift can crit per hit

if I deflect

and the individual blade rift once ramped up crit really hurts

[kind cloud]

i've tried for athena on ares + artemis builds but i rarely get the duo boon, i usually end up with athena dash

---

guan yu attack getting nerfed (no longer going through solid objects like pillars) is so damn annoying.

[naive tusk]

I can offer a hug if that helps

[olive badge]

I personally am not bothered by it that much tbh

[kind cloud]

35 heat run not going well...

[olive badge]

now I can throw it into walls and see it bounce back and forth

[weak rivet]

Can I also get a hug im not really a guan yu user but

[olive badge]

a 90 degree corner and an enemy stuck there

[kind cloud]

e-hug from @naive tusk? i'll take it.

[olive badge]

see it being hit back and forth is pretty amazing

[naive tusk]

Hugs for everyone who wants some 😊

[olive badge]

I just want some will to live

staying at home too long does terrible things to your mind

[dense locust]

Ill take 3

[kind cloud]

do calisthenics! (use own bodyweight to stay in shape or get in shape) @olive badge

[olive badge]

can't go to the gym and can't see the boys

it hurts

[kind cloud]

that's the beauty of calisthenics, don't need a gym!

[dense locust]

IDK if it was ever answered but you can't get fully loaded with stygian soul, right? Isn't that the whole point of the second legendary bad news?

[olive badge]

you can

but apparently you need exit wound

[dense locust]

Really? I though exit wounds won't ever show up

[olive badge]

which is terrible on stygian

no it does

[gray lintel]

fighting 20 of the trap throwing things at once in tartarus

the trap throwing urns

everything hurts

[dense locust]

I don't really do cast builds anymore so idk much

[olive badge]

but only trigger with Poseidon aspect iirc

or it still does damage just nothing pop out for you to collect

[dense locust]

it should trigger for all casts that stick

its how long it takes for them to dislodge which sucks

unless you have the sword aspect i suppose

[olive badge]

yeah

which sucks, but I guess such is life

also Demeter + Artemis duo is sick

t u r r e t s

[kind cloud]

yeah, love the demeter + artemius duo boon

but getting it is a hassle

[weak rivet]

Nobody:
Urns: 🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️

.

Oh right you meant the tartarus urns

[dense locust]

It's why getting epic sure footing from Athena is like waking up on xmas day as a child

You can dance around on the lava

[weak rivet]

It's like the 'you are safe now my sweet child' 'i owe you my life' meme

[olive badge]

no one ever told me lava counts as trap damage

[kind cloud]

AHAHAHAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldcdsa6lJ0E

[olive badge]

so I picked heightened security

[kind cloud]

bad choice mate

[olive badge]

and die to the hydra the first 5 seconds

[kind cloud]

but lulz at beating hades blindfolded

[last nacelle]

Too bad you can't really experience hell with 2 levels of HS now.

[turbid needle]

I miss the second level of HS.

Epic Sure Footing completely negates it and then some.

[olive badge]

I always pick sure footing

simply for the arrows in elysium

I hate the arrows

the hitboxes are so weird

[kind cloud]

schpoon "masochist" man
/but yeah, sure footing was tailor made for lvl 2 heightened security

[turbid needle]

Magma and Hades's pots.

Also the Styx traps.

[olive badge]

you mean the fumes

[turbid needle]

Nothing like eating an entire DD because you looked the wrong way.

[olive badge]

shooting green all over the place

[turbid needle]

Nah, falling axes deal 30 damage base.

[naive tusk]

How does Sure Footing work with HS? Does it make it +310% trap damage total or?

[olive badge]

ah

[turbid needle]

Sure Footing resets trap base damage.

[olive badge]

SF and HS stacks multi I beleive

so if you resist 90%

[turbid needle]

So spike traps in Tartarus deal 5 damage, right?

[olive badge]

and you have +400%

you take 50% damage from traps basically

[turbid needle]

Well, Sure Footing would drop that to 1 damage with enough DR, then HS would boost that by 400% to get 5 damage.

[naive tusk]

Ooooh

[olive badge]

the formula should be (dmg x 5) x (1- SF multiplier)

iirc

[turbid needle]

SF takes priority.

[olive badge]

ah

[weak rivet]

Thank you hylian going blindfolded. Now I know Thanatos gets mad when you step in lava while he's waiting for you. XD

[naive tusk]

So Sure Footing 1st decreases the trap damage then HS raises the new damage by the percentage it states. Interesting

[olive badge]

so sure footing doesn't help with the lava at all?

since lava is 1 base dmg

[turbid needle]

It drops trap damage, then HS adds 400% of whatever the new damage is.

That's actually a good question.

[naive tusk]

Lava damage scalates btw

[turbid needle]

Somehow SF still nerfs magma damage.

[naive tusk]

The longer you stay on it, the bigger the numbers get

[gray lintel]

i believe sure footing increases the time you can stay on the lava before you start taking damage

[naive tusk]

Or magma. Haha, force of habit

[kind cloud]

@turbid needle
Since you're here, I'll ask you what I asked earlier to the board earlier.

Was +6 life steal per hit on guan yu patched? Do you know? Was SgG even aware that it could be done?

horheristo demonstrated the following:

• eurydice will increase the life steal by +1 when picking "Ambrosia Delight".
• demeter Will IMMEDIATELY increase life steal by +1 when picking the "Rare Crop" Boon, and FURTHER increase it by +1 after every 3 encounters, up to +6 per steal.

[turbid needle]

You wanna throw me some footage?

[kind cloud]

Yeah, give me a sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZJbT1sQyA

[turbid needle]

And Guan Yu doesn't drain 6 HP per Serpent Slash hit, last I used it (two or three days ago) it only restored 1 HP.

[kind cloud]

Right. Read the description.

I'm asking if SgG patched point #4.

[turbid needle]

These have probably all been patched.

[gray lintel]

deflecting attack on the first form of the adamant rail apparently makes you invincible from the front while you're shooting

[turbid needle]

This video is 3.5 months old.

[kind cloud]

Yeah, hence I'm asking if SgG got wind of it and then patched it.

[tired elk]

The very first time I killed the snake

I almost killed the bull and the person

Theseus

[naive tusk]

Did you like them?

I love that duo so much

[olive badge]

Ornstein and Smough

[turbid needle]

Please, they're way better than Ornstein and Smough.

[olive badge]

O&S or in other words

zone Ornstein out

then run around Smough

same way I deal with Aste and Theseus

[gray lintel]

30% increased attack, deflecting attack, spread attack. 22 shots 😮

and 4 dashes in a row

[turbid needle]

That is almost the current speedrun meta.

[olive badge]

spreadshot is the current speedrun meta

the artemis attack is prefered for DPS iirc

is it me or the visual effect of Arthur aspect's 3rd swing doesn't match the hitbox

sometimes I can clearly see enemies in my swing distance not getting hit

[gray lintel]

okay so yeah heroic athena attack +200% backstab damage with spreadshot and tons of dashes is strong

[balmy stone]

Can someone clue me in on what boons I need to take in order to be eligible for Artemis' legendary? I swear I've done over a dozen runs with her keepsake equipped and taken every path the wiki/reddit/etc have pointed too many many times and she still hasn't offered it up. I have the mirror maxed, and have even taken Eurydices' ambrosia to try and help my chances, etc, etc and it WON'T SHOW UP. I've gotten so many others-- she's basically the only god I still need to fulfill the minor prophecies and I know its supposed to be a rare thing but its gotten so extreme that I'm worried something is broken or have just been seriously misinformed on how to get it....

[turbid needle]

Dual Shot and Exit Wounds.

https://i.imgur.com/duBnkDA.png

[tepid ridge]

Yes it was updated to those two recently. The wiki hasn’t be modified to reflect the changes yet I don’t think.

[turbid needle]

This was made right before the change that required both of them, but is virtually accurate anyway.

[balmy stone]

So you NEED the cast no matter what-- and then you need BOTH Dual Shot and Exit Wounds at the same time...?

[turbid needle]

Well, Dual Shot will proc the Exit Wounds spawn, but if you have Trippy Shot, Slicing Shot, or Crystal Beam, Exit Wounds will not spawn.

[tepid ridge]

I don’t think you need Artemis’ cast specifically, just any cast that lodges into enemies.

[balmy stone]

Makes sense considering...gotcha

[kind cloud]

how does stygian soul work with artemis legendary?

[turbid needle]

Each Bloodstone has its own cooldown.

[kind cloud]

got it.

that's reassuring.

[turbid needle]

It's very good.

[kind cloud]

i bet. no longer need to chase down bloodstones or to get hermes legendary auto recall

[balmy stone]

Will give my quest for her legendary (another) shot soon then, haha-- thanks for the clarification guys.

[naive tusk]

I should update Artemis' tree at least, with a sidenote about Exit Wounds (every bit helps)

[olive badge]

Since heat is the difficulty level, can we say that Zag is cooked when we fail a run?

[naive tusk]

It has been done. Thank you for the help

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/698047677203480576/Artemis_Tree.png
Here's the new picture in case anyone wants it (it has also been updated in the album link I posted before)

[olive badge]

I hope they add a new T2 to her

Kinda suck that I can't get the legendary with slicing shot

[kind cloud]

wait SgG locked artemis legendary to just her cast? that right? if true, wtffffffffffffffff

[naive tusk]

No. You can still get Exit Wounds like this:

• Get Hunter Dash (or any other prerequisite for Dual Shot)
• Get Dual Shot
• Exit Wounds will be available because you have Dual Shot now

[kind cloud]

"or any other cast that is not one from the list above"
what list?

[naive tusk]

Oh wait, you don't need a Cast boon, but at least not have picked either Crystal Shot, Slicing Shot or Trippy Shot

It's right there in the image

[kind cloud]

oh you mean the note above on the right

sorry

[naive tusk]

Yes!

[kind cloud]

yeah, new monitor time!

[naive tusk]

Yay!

[unkempt pagoda]

the roadmap says that there's gonna be new boons next update, so i'm hoping all the gods get some new stuff on their trees

[kind cloud]

what is the reason for not giving access to artemis legendary with dio, ares, and demeter?

[naive tusk]

They can't be lodged into enemies ergo Exit Wounds is useless for those casts

[unkempt pagoda]

you can't get exit wounds with them bc they don't stick

[kind cloud]

f me

[unkempt pagoda]

as a side effect that means you can't get fully loaded with them either

[kind cloud]

translation in my mind: "it negates ability to spam hades with a vicious cycle-aided ares cast...therefore, fudge."

[naive tusk]

I will miss my Crystal Shot turrets with Fully Loaded

[kind cloud]

that too

i loved demeter cast with hunting blades

[lament coral]

it just occurred to me, aren't Dual Shot's prerequisites stupid?

attack, special, call, dash, to get double cast?

[kind cloud]

a moment of silence for a dream destroyed (i never got to have a 7-8 cast vicious cycle ares cast) - darn you SgG

[dense locust]

The next best thing is taking stygian soul and getting a couple casts from Chaos on top of a well cast

for tower defense build

[stiff flume]

got a question: if you have the duo boon that says "after you deflect get 20% crit" and you have the athena dash

do you get the crit just for dashing or do you actually have to deflect an attack

for it to proc

[unkempt pagoda]

you have to deflect something

[stiff flume]

fug 😔

[dense locust]

the word deflect appears

[gray lintel]

you have to deflect something but it doesn't actually have to be projectiles from what I can tell

[dense locust]

you can deflect melee attacks or ranged attacks

[stiff flume]

and i assume hitting an enemy with the damage part of the dash doesnt count either

[gray lintel]

melee attacks can be 'deflected', although I don't think it does damage back

[dense locust]

yes

[unkempt pagoda]

@lament coral not really, it means you can go up the cast tree with someone else's cast, but it's still a tier 2 boon

so it needs to have some kind of prereq

[dense locust]

deadly reversal will be up a lot of the time despite it only lasting 2 seconds

[lament coral]

but what if I'm not playing a cast build, yet being forced upon those cast boons because I took Arty special?

[unkempt pagoda]

a lot happens in 2 seconds

[dense locust]

Avoid arty

[unkempt pagoda]

i mean, you're just as likely to be forced upon the four boons on the left side

and the other tier 1 boons

[dense locust]

Or get arty after you have the prereqs for her duo boons

[lament coral]

Hunter's Mark and Clean Kill are actually good though

[gray lintel]

you can like have casting as a supplement despite not being a 'cast build' imo

[unkempt pagoda]

what if i'm playing a cast build and i'm forced upon hunter's instinct, arty special, and arty dash

[lament coral]

exactly

[unkempt pagoda]

it's just rng

[dense locust]

eh, what if i'm playing and i don't get the hammer i want

[lament coral]

why is a dual cast boon locked behind a pile of non-cast garbage?

[gray lintel]

likewise if you're playing a cast build you will likely have downtime to use attacks/specials

but yeah artemis is weird I agree

[dense locust]

I do dislike the direction they took with some legendaries only being useful in very specific builds

[gray lintel]

there's ares too who has both blade rift and crit builds, although they tend to be seperate

[dense locust]

Well not dislike, but get sad by

And only when it doesn't work out for me....

[naive tusk]

Well, if they locked Dual Shot behind her cast, it would mean Artemis' Legendary is exclusive to her cast only and that'd be...sad

[dense locust]

Yeah Dual Shot should for sure be applicable to all casts

[unkempt pagoda]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense locust]

I'm sure they'll figure out the ideal progression towards legendaries

[unkempt pagoda]

imo if you're going down her tree, you should probably have something of hers as a prereq

i'm glad it's a variety of prereqs instead of further locking down the legendary

[naive tusk]

I agree. It gives room for variety and fun builds 😄

[dense locust]

I'm guessing they'll end up releasing multiple legendaries for each god with different prereq paths

Oh I missed it, do you not need both tier 2s for arty's legendary?

[naive tusk]

That'd be fun~

[unkempt pagoda]

you do

[naive tusk]

Yes, you need both since the last update

I just updated the Artemis Tree to reflect that based on what Schpoon stated

[dense locust]

I was confused by what Onyx said because requiring both prereqs does further lock down the legendary

[naive tusk]

But I can't post that to the wiki because I don't have an account there

[unkempt pagoda]

i meant the prereqs of dual shot

[naive tusk]

Anyone is free to do it if they want though!

[dense locust]

oooh i gotcha

Yeah I went to go edit something on the wiki and then bailed after having to make an account

[tired elk]

I feel like i'm cheating with the bow and arrow though

:/

Cause it's so much easier XD

[stiff flume]

it wont be on higher heat

[tired elk]

It will still be easier than melee still?

even in higher heat?

[stiff flume]

i actually dont really think so

you have to move around so much, and bow is kinda lacking damage a bit imo

also standing around and charging is dangerous

i like the gun more

because you can just lob grenades and move around again

bow special also locks you in place for quite a bit

[tired elk]

It just seems I'll be learning bad habits if I stick with bow

Cause I almost beat the minotaur with the god with the bow first try

[stiff flume]

i just rotate between the weapons every run

[tired elk]

while I couldn't even beat the snake with my sword lol

oh thank god my save didn't go beyond me buying the fists

I remember those being really hard to use?

or seeing people say those are really difficult?

[shadow oriole]

sword is kind of hard but once you get the timing down its really powerful. just dash strike a ton

[dense locust]

I actually used the cast aspect for sword quite a bit up until about 13 or 14 heat

[tired elk]

Is it worth buying the fists?

8 keys O.O

[stiff flume]

yes

[shadow oriole]

Poseidon aspect is amazing

[dense locust]

yeah

[stiff flume]

get all the weapons

[shadow oriole]

fists are super good

[dense locust]

The choice in which aspect to level up is a little bit trickier

as it takes much longer to collect all of the resources

[stiff flume]

dont think he even has aspects at this point

[tired elk]

^^^

[dense locust]

yeah but something to keep in mind

[tired elk]

22 deaths lol

TOTAL

[stiff flume]

you'll get there

[unkempt pagoda]

you unlock a huge part of the game after getting all the weapons, so get them all

[stiff flume]

it took me 16 hours to beat the game first time lol

[dense locust]

Choosing which weapon to unlock isnt a big deal because you'll get the keys pretty quickly

You'll get a lot stronger through the aspects and mirror upgrades

[tired elk]

My time won't be accurate cause allot of the time i've been afk

;__;

@stiff flume

for like 2 hours I spent making food XD

[turbid needle]

No, seriously, log off Discord and just go play.

[dense locust]

Don't worry about it, pretty sure everyone does that

[turbid needle]

You will never improve if you ask for every decision to be handed to you.

Learn how to play the game.

[tired elk]

true

just I get bored

[turbid needle]

Then you should play something else.

[tired elk]

But this gmae is really fun

[dense locust]

How about you get 1 question per run

[tired elk]

Idk how to explain

[olive badge]

do we already have a gallery option to view cutscenes and etc?

I want to rewatch some cutscenes but can't find em

[dense locust]

go get fists, run as far as you can, come back and ask something

[tired elk]

kk lol

What are the things you choose before you run

just the name of them

[olive badge]

keepsakes

[tired elk]

thanks

I only have 13 rip

[tired elk]

Should I be getting fps drops when double I double uppercut?

I also have the ability that shoots out a blade when I dash so that might be why as well ;__;

[shadow oriole]

thee game does slow down when you uppercut

its not dropping frames though

[meager mica]

yeah, there is intended slow motion

[tired elk]

Ah ok

I thought that but I wasn't sure if frames were dropping after that or not

[kind cloud]

the fps drops happen to me too when i use twin fists, it does tend to happen on talos and specifically the special. so i'm glad it's happening to not only me...because i've got a pretty freaking awesome pc build...good enough to run crysis for like 30s second before going thermonuclear

[tired elk]

and my computer is cold so idk lol

[shadow oriole]

it just slows down, I never show frame drops

[kind cloud]

i have pretty severe frame drops

happens a lot in asphodel before getting better in elysium
/shrug

[shadow oriole]

weird

[tired elk]

I just hit Elysium lol

[shadow oriole]

Elysium is pretty cool

[tired elk]

Jesus those carts suck with the fists

I gotta figure out how to not take damage from those XD

[kind cloud]

the small ones?

or the big ones?

[tired elk]

small explode

big just charge I think lol

[robust gate]

Just dash around and let them kill themselves from running into walls

[tired elk]

God these fists actually have combso O.O

[dense locust]

If you get athena boon on the attack with the fists, you press and hold the attack button at them while they run into you and you'll deflect the explosion

[tired elk]

Welp just cleared the third area

NO

NOT LIKE THIS

[quartz crow]

why is it we can stunlock foes and so can they...

[tired elk]

Spoiler ||Why do we have to fight the doggo|| ;__;

[quartz crow]

but you don't

[clear dome]

no faight doggy

[tired elk]

oh yaay

we don't have to XD

[quartz crow]

can't beat last boss cause always trying to get more stuff instead of minmaxing...

what if we had armor?

maybe power shots and charge things would be more usable then

[clear dome]

power shot is viable

all charge things are viable

[quartz crow]

how

[clear dome]

you just dont know it

[quartz crow]

bosses like to summon things to make timing more confusing

butterfly balls are the worst

[dense locust]

Everything is dependent on the build

butterfly balls don't move at all and don't have any surprising attacks so some builds can just melt them down easily

[quartz crow]

armored ones are tanky

[tired elk]

"Well somebody just walked into a cloud of noxious gas, there, huh!"

This guy loves to mock

[quartz crow]

i seem to consistently beat the 2nd boss. method is get up in close with anything you need to hit and pulverize it

Athena dash is great 🙂

[tired elk]

What to spend my diamond on @dense locust

or just anyone

[robust gate]

3rd boss tends to really show whether or not your build is good

[quartz crow]

my real pain in getting to the final boss is the 3rd boss fight

[drowsy glen]

@quartz crow works really well with bow special :3

[tired elk]

Is that the double boss?

[robust gate]

Yeah

[tired elk]

I beat that with fists first try

Second time seeing the boss

[shadow oriole]

all the things you can spend diamonds on just open up more story

[quartz crow]

there was a spoiler tag so no clue what spoilers are

[tired elk]

Or are you guys talking about heat?

[quartz crow]

haven't beat the game...

means of getting titan blood is trading in ambrosia for it or spending 15 keys when rng decides to be nice

looked up how to get companions so currently doing that

spear aspect of achilles? is confusing lol

when you throw it on a trap and run to it cause you're used to the default...

masterd tisophenes fight

[shadow oriole]

you can recall the spear by pressing the attack button

[quartz crow]

ik

but muscle memory. used spear the most

really want to get guan yu

need to sustain. get hit too much

[robust gate]

I wanted to like guan yu but the healing and health reductions are too much for me.

[quartz crow]

stubborn usally triggers during bosses and if you have enough hp it's prob better to trigger it right before you finish a room to reset your health

[drowsy glen]

@robust gate i feel like it needs upgrades the most

still haven't gotten around to doing that though lol

[quartz crow]

do hammers give differnt things for each aspect?

[robust gate]

Yeah, mines only level 2 so I use Achilles or zag rn

[shadow oriole]

yeah guan yu takes like 20 blood to unlock since its basically useless with out being fully upgraded

[drowsy glen]

even then, i feel like the healing is too low

[shadow oriole]

hammers give the same things for each aspect

[drowsy glen]

isn't it 1 hp per hit?

[shadow oriole]

yeah 1hp per hit, hits every 0.5 seconds

[quartz crow]

how much damage does an enemy do

[shadow oriole]

it will trigger for each enemy it hits

[drowsy glen]

it's kinda difficult to get healed anyway since you're so vulnerable while charging :/

[quartz crow]

charge hammer

[shadow oriole]

yeah but you dont need to fully charge it

[drowsy glen]

i might try that strat

i tend to try to max charge everything lol

[quartz crow]

how does healing on fists work against bosses anyway?

[robust gate]

I've never been a fan of the spin attack though, kinda need quick spin to really make it work

[shadow oriole]

with guan yu you basically use it as a ranged weapon with the special and then occasionally heal with the charge

[cunning urchin]

I think the Aspect of Guan Yu rocks. Chaos Gates are effectively free because you can cap your HP easily in the next chamber anyway.

[shadow oriole]

fists are great on bosses, lots of dash attacks and take advantage of pasues to just spam attacks. also if you get divine attack you can deflect a lot of damage back to bosses

[quartz crow]

why can't chaos and hermes keepsakes grant a guarentee spawn

i heal up after stubborn definance so much the no health loss is kind of pointless

[shadow oriole]

you need to save those for the last boss

I usually need at least 2 DD

[quartz crow]

stubborn

[shadow oriole]

oh yeah I just never use those, I think the lower health would make it a lot harder to beat last boss

[quartz crow]

you know the ! guy in elysium buffs it to 50% right?

it refreshes each room in styx

[robust gate]

It's still not as good as dd. Stubborn is good for learning the game, dd is for actually beating it

[shadow oriole]

I didnt know that, but you arent guaranteed to see him

[quartz crow]

it's for 20 encounters lol

or 15 forget

[shadow oriole]

that wont get you to the final boss then

[quartz crow]

if only the rat place small rooms didn't count

[shadow oriole]

I think its a minimum of 18 in styx

[tired elk]

Does godmode just make the game stupidly easy?

[quartz crow]

prob

never turned it on

tempted too though

[clear dome]

it gives dr

[tired elk]

Dr?

[quartz crow]

damage reduction

[clear dome]

increases by 2% every time you die

[tired elk]

Lmao

[clear dome]

starts at 20 and cap at 80%

takes 30 failed runs to get it capped

[quartz crow]

you can't change a save to hell mode right? (curious)

[clear dome]

no, u cant

[tired elk]

That would be poor game design

[quartz crow]

i've been wasting runs to reset the shop...

[tired elk]

since you could just say "hey I beat it on hellmode guys"

[quartz crow]

bet godmode is in hellmode too so no

[tired elk]

It's not

wait

O.O

[robust gate]

I'm pretty sure hell mode is just some heat effects locked on permanently

[quartz crow]

that's lame

[tired elk]

Godmode isn't allowed

in hellmode

[quartz crow]

almost maxed out the mirror. just 2 more ranks left

well 3 prob (2 ranks, 3 different things)

[shadow oriole]

hellmode starts you on 5 heat and makes you add more with each successful escape

you have all the rerolls?

[tired elk]

So hellmode actually isn't that different from the actual game once you know how to play well

[quartz crow]

is that 2 sentences?

[tired elk]

Mine?

[quartz crow]

nah

[robust gate]

Anyone know how much max fated authority gives you?

[shadow oriole]

yes that was 2 sentences.

you get 10 room rerolls, or 4 boon rerolls

[quartz crow]

oh. none

maxing out from top to bottom

rerolls would prob help in farming necter

[robust gate]

Guess I'll be doing that for a while lol

[shadow oriole]

rerolls are the most expensive part of the mirror being over like 50% of the total darkness you need

[quartz crow]

yah both are unupgraded and the god's chosen is currently being upgraded. what does it even mean?

ik boss ones for darkness, and gems give x2

[shadow oriole]

what does what mean?

[quartz crow]

God's Chosen mirror upgrade

it's chance for x room spawn that affects boons poms and hammers

[robust gate]

Can keys give fated persuasion too?

[quartz crow]

nah

[shadow oriole]

gods chosen increases the chance that a room will roll a boon, hammer or pom

[quartz crow]

just says room reroll on contract

[shadow oriole]

keys will give a reroll of what ever you have selected on the mirror

so authority or persuasion

[quartz crow]

ah so chance for upgrades rather then farming over 20% epic...

wait what? so if i swapped it to the other i could reroll boons?