Yea I hate runs/boons where you just take the least of the evils for the sake of checking it off the prophecy.
#h1-builds-and-combat
tepid ridge
slate obsidian
i did have high tolerance! but I kept dashing out of it
if i didn't beat the final boss today, i was going to ask for tips on how to dodge his 3 combo spear sweep attack
but I kinda lucked out and got the +2 dash from hermes during styx so I just went really far
sullen valley
@tepid ridge It's better if you're given everything that you don't ask for, struggling to kill a couple of armored Bothers, but you manage to thwack the bossman into the snow in around a minute
slate obsidian
total hours? 16!
slate obsidian
nice! I got this gift as a very late valentine's present! I got to like 2% health on guan yu yesterday, but then I got clipped by the spear sweep x)
stiff flume
ye that hurts a lot
sullen valley
O w
Bisected via your dad's spear is both not a cool way but also a metal way to die.
slate obsidian
this game in general is super metal i love it
i mean we're literally fighting out of hell! it's the coolest!
sullen valley
It's metal is awesome too
slate obsidian
i love the OST, but i love every single supergiant OST too
so happy to finally be able to play this! I've been keeping up with it since it first came out on the epic store
what's the best attack on guan yu by the way? gonna go for that spear clear soon
naive laurel
Iirc It took me 60 runs total to win every weapon, u are better than me in playing this for sure
slate obsidian
i'm only good with bow and spear, with anything else i can't even get close to the final boss x) especially sword! if I beat theseus with sword it's a christmas miracle. hoping to unlock arthur soon
slate obsidian
arthur can only improve my sword runs with how bad i am with sword! (hopefully...)
weak rivet
Tbh I loved Arthur when I tried it
Zag: hrrrnrnngggh-
Me: ah damn this is so slow it has to be so heavy with how long he takes-
Zag: finishes the attack and splits the sun in half
naive laurel
Arthur is more about dash dodging during self-freeze
naive laurel
Or I should say, preswing
weak rivet
"so what does this protective field doOOOOOHHHHJH"
stiff flume
you can dash and then finish attack / sequence
naive laurel
New thing to learn, but useful
naive laurel
Arthur Imo should be going for 80% dmg reduction revenge build
naive laurel
Oh crit still is there
But definitely get Bronze skin Andd different league for it
Actually, It can work, deadly reversal heart rend pressure points and apho atk, aretmis/athena dash. Then different league bronze skin with amulet.
revenge as a, well, trash god Pick
naive tusk
But think of Vengeful Mood!
naive laurel
Hey, vengeful mood is just a salvagary duo boon Imo, u go from negate dmg and do dmg w/ dmg taken, to outlast and let the auto do dmg.
Btw, how many gods has revenge effects? Iirc there's zeus ares athena and Apho, noone else right
turbid needle
That's it, yeah.
can't believe Demeter doesn't have one, but I suppose she's scratching that itch with the mortal population
naive laurel
i made a suggestion
demeter having a vengeance effect imo is one of the best suiting ones, it has repeat-applicable effects so a lazer shooting u would cause tons of dmg and stacks, and the effect is not major until in multiple stacks.
The only thing I cannot figure is how to, should me actually go for it, make a dio's vengeance
turbid needle
Festive Fog burst.
naive laurel
oh jez
that's gonna be the most op one for sure, if u stand near hades when he lazers
sullen valley
...What if Demeter's Cast, after an update, normally has the aim of Artemis's Duo boon with her, but it's almost aimbot when it's got Artemis's Duo Boon?
naive laurel
It melts, if u got some dmg boost to it
azure lake
early it might be an issue no ? before you have the duo boon I mean ?
cunning urchin
what's the best attack on guan yu by the way? gonna go for that spear clear soon
@slate obsidian Heartbreak Strike imo is by far the best. Very high damage, and applying Weak on everything in sight (very easy with the Spin Attack) effectively doubles your HP and self-healing. And get Dodge from Hermes, and any damage reduction and Weak buffs you can otherwise.
With the right buffs and Heartbreak Strike, you can stand in a crowd in Elysium healing faster than you take damage.
Some way to apply chill is also great because it gives you more time to charge your Spin Attack. I go for Frost Strike when I can't get Heartbreak Strike on Guan Yu. Also picking up Heart Containers is great because you can easily cap your HP after every chamber (especially in Elysium where you can just let the last enemy resurrect until you have max HP if you're not pressed for time), and more max HP synergizes amazingly well with Weak, Dodge, and any other forms of damage reduction.
Oh, and Holy Shield and Divine Protection from Athena are great too.
Lastly, Chaos gates are free with Guan Yu because you can easily get your HP back to max in the next chamber.
naive tusk
To be honest, Holy Shield is always good. I always take it as a better version of the Broken Spearpoint 
turbid needle
The Deflect/Impervious duration isn't as long.
naive tusk
And I agree with @cunning urchin , Heartbreak Strike or Frost Strike are really good on Guan Yu (I personally go for Frost Strike to slow them so I can keep spamming the spin attack)
turbid needle
And eating 1.5 seconds of Stygian poison ticks over and over can make a run
Divine Strike on Guan Yu, by the way.
naive tusk
Hey Schpoon 
naive laurel
On high heat Imo athena attack is the way on guanyu. Dmg negation is still a must but u can't be invincible after getting a large hit in hell mode So not taking dmg at all is the better way.
Guanyu can use revenge build too should dmg reduction is stacked enough
naive tusk
Divine Strike Spin Attack is a safe spin indeed!
naive laurel
Yeah, Imo guanyu is one of the most dependant on the grace invincibility u get in normal save. But hell save disables that and makes sudden death very likely in the middle of a lot of foes, especially when theg are things like greatshields.
naive tusk
It's always important to note the specifications and circumstances like that
turbid needle
Does Hell Mode cap at 20 or does it scale infinitely?
naive laurel
I'd say frost/heartbreak flourish and divine strike is best in hell highsave,
turbid needle
Well, to max Heat. 
naive tusk
I think it's 25
naive laurel
Yeah it's very scary in hell for guanyu than in normal
turbid needle
...That's not terrible.
turbid needle
Let Hell Mode get +500% enemy damage and +800% trap damage
naive tusk
Oh, I thought about the rewards. As far as I know, you only get Ambrosias and Diamonds up till Heat level 25. As for how high it forces you to play, no idea
naive laurel
Oh HELL no
unkempt pagoda
isn't it the bounties that cap at 25?
turbid needle
Bounties cap at 20.
unkempt pagoda
in hell mode they're delayed so they cap at 25
naive laurel
Wait, isn't bounties capped at 32?
naive tusk
Bounties are capped at 20 on normal, 25 on hell mode
After that, no more bounties can be gained
naive laurel
Oh ok, Then what is special about 32
naive tusk
The last Skelly statue reward
naive laurel
Just that? Oh lul
Bro theu literally can be farmed faily easily If u trade up
I myself wanted more use for them 2bh
naive tusk
I think Hell Mode forces you to start playing at Heat lv 5 so in theory you don't get more bounties than in a normal save (I haven't played Hell mode yet but that's what people who play on Hell mode say)
turbid needle
Yeah, I'm sitting on 50 of the 3 meta resources right now, but that's not nothing.
Oooooooohhhhh, right.
Cool, then revert Hell Mode so you start with resources.
naive laurel
Personal grace shield being gone feels like a whole other game 2bh
Great shields taking away 50 health instantly like a joke
naive tusk
Well, remember that future aspects will demand around 25 Titan Blood each so better to have those resources ready hehe
naive laurel
Which is why I'm still at 15 with most weapons at day 15
turbid needle
Do they reclaim their place as most terrifying Exalted?
naive laurel
Most annoying for sure
Terrifying....in hell mode I'd say Yes
On this knowledge, I think my price for the endgame extra shop is a bit too high Lul
Flipping 125 ambrosia for a minor upgrade lvl3, Lul
Well, went to check, 81 for lvl4, still,
The bonus is Pretty minor inthe matter of scaling with heat, and actually minor
shadow oriole
its broken
grab the artemis boons for dash and attack to get some crazy damage going on
turbid needle
Can I ask sth
I use the Fates Persuasion in the mirror
But I also have the Fated Keys from Renovations
But ever since I chose the persuasion
I cannot change chamber rewards
Did they merge together so that when I get keys, I also get Fated Persuasion?
unkempt pagoda
yes, i believe so
both fateds use the same "resource" i believe
the keys give you more of that resource, which you can use with either fated
naive laurel
Zag aspect with chain skewer is BUSTED
naive tusk
Mega Buster~
naive laurel
Covers aoe and single target dmg
And I dont need to aim eithe
Jez
Lul and I have artemis on It, ANd just Got a caustic flourish that gives 96%
This is gonna be easy, Even If it's heat 18 hell mode
naive tusk
Look at you!
naive laurel
Yep took just 20 dmg against thesius
https://imgur.com/BusoTsJ
Deadly reversal is what I was planning on getting, only got it in styx but I think that's just a bonus at that point.
round summit
Won't be here come next update :lul:
wait wdym
naive tusk
Either a leak or an assumption hehe
shadow oriole
spread fire is broken, its just too good. expect it to be nerfed
naive laurel
Isn't It just a faster special that requires close up but fires WAY way faster?
shadow oriole
no. it changes your attack into a 50 damage short range cone in front of you
it give +400% base damage so it stacks with % increases from boons
you can just dash attack to get in a few hundred DPS easily and its what all the current speed run records are using. I think the current WR got a 20 second hydra with it
fallow niche
@round summit They have consistently nerfed the best speedrunning builds every update
And currently spread fire is the fastest build
So I fully expect it to either get reverted or outright nerfed
@shadow oriole Current WR has a 27 second hydra with it iirc, but the fastest we've done was 22-23 seconds
shadow oriole
I knew it was something like that. still crazy either way
fallow niche
Yeah
I mean we'll always find a build that kills the hydra about that fast, but its ability to clear everything so fast is the real insane part about it. Its good from the first chamber to last, something Artemis cast builds last update couldn't say, they started really slow
unkempt pagoda
what would be a reasonable nerf to spread fire? just a damage reduction?
shadow oriole
that would be the only thhing I can think of with out changing it completely. maybe make it like 30 damage?
manic ermine
The dash attack behaviour is what really breaks it
shadow oriole
yeah but its still stonger then most other hammer upgrades with out that
fallow niche
They could revert the change they did to it that made it so good and that'll balance it again
Otherwise changing the damage is a fine line between broken and useless
shadow oriole
what was the change?
naive laurel
@shadow oriole Oh I mean It does Same dmg as special, but have a better dmg rate
shadow oriole
special does 60 damage
unkempt pagoda
old spread fire used to be a spread shot of five individual bullets in the same cone shape
now it's a cone shape that does 50 damage uniform
so the best possible damage back then is the only damage now, and for the whole cone as well
naive laurel
Yep 60, nvm, No wonder special build slays as my brain math indicates otherwise
shadow oriole
yeah thats a huge upgrade
fallow niche
@shadow oriole Before it had 5 projectiles that each independently did 10 damage iirc
Or something similar, it wasn't a wave of damage before
unkempt pagoda
yeah, it wasn't too broke back then because you could easily only hit an enemy with only 3-4 bullets, you'd have to be real close to get all five
fallow niche
Yup
It only got crazy when you got Explosive Fire and all 5 hit the same enemy reliably then
But you can only get the second hammer in Elysium at earliest
So its fine
void mica
Is revenge build good?
shadow oriole
get all of them, and the boon to trigger them every few seconds then kill hades by standing there
stiff flume
such a fun run
started slow but in the end i killed hades in absolute record time
second time i tried the rocket in like 85 hours
love it now
round summit
started slow but in the end i killed hades in absolute record time
with this many focus on improving your alredy strong Special, you basically deleted him
dense locust
Glad to hear the rocket getting more love. What was your other hammer @stiff flume
lone hound
Hi guys! Would this place be okay to ask about the fated list of minor prophecies? I think I might have bugged my quest progression with Dusa.
I was wondering how to progress it if I have already bought most of the stuff for the lounge.
kind fiber
Have you bought a rug yet?
My checklist that I looked up for progressing Dusa shows; 12 lounge items, a rug, and cleaning up Cereberus's lose fur
If it isn't showing up despite having done those three things, make a few attempts at escaping while you wait for it to show up
lone hound
Yes. I got all the rugs. The only item left is the 1500 gems item to finish the lounge. I'll keep doing what you said and hopefully Dusa notices that the lounge is complete.
lament coral
do you keep seeing new dialogues from Dusa?
I believe you only need 3-5 cheap items
lone hound
Yes, last time she talked about the contractor and Zagreus reveals that he has being putting in orders for renovations so I think the quest is progressing idk how it works tbh.
dense locust
Ahh but the dream would have been triple bomb
stiff flume
ye 😔
dense locust
I had my most powerful eris rail run the other day and got Rocket and Triple, and boy is it strong
turbid needle
I took the rocket and the 5 instead of one upgrade thinking you instantly launch 5 rockets but you have to wait for each one to launch individually.
Oh, wow, Unhealthy Fixation on the standard Nemesis build going into the Hydra fight.
turbid needle
No, Attack.
turbid needle
Deadly Flourish (Heart Rend) and Divine Dash.
dense locust
Dang what a buff
turbid needle
Yeah, Heartbreak Strike is standard.
30% is more than enough crit, you get better returns from the higher damage bonus.
dense locust
The earliest I've gotten it was in chamber 7 with zeus aspect shield
Yeah I just didn't use my brain
turbid needle
I don't remember the chamber number, but Heart Rend was in the Bloodless miniboss fight.
dense locust
wow so you already have heart rend AND unhealthy fixation...
turbid needle
Yeah, I'm gonna walk through the Heroes and just the rest of the game.
turbid needle
No kidding.
dense locust
I had a couple of dream runs just the other night and it kinda reinvigorated my love of just doing runs for the sake of doing runs, instead of trying unlock something, collect a resource or what not, although I did end up getting my highest heat yet with one of them
tired elk
Hangover seems horrible ;__;
Is this the right channel to ask for help and stuff like that or nah?
shadow oriole
this is a good place to ask
shadow oriole
some of them will require beating the final boss but most are unlocked with just titans blood. the game should tell you about that after a few runs
tired elk
What does it mean when one is highlighted
if it's highlighted does that mean I have now deselected it
and it isn't active?
weak rivet
What's Freak Accident?
cunning urchin
I think Drunken Flourish is really good for Hangover. I'm not a big fan of Drunken Strike or Dash. Dionysus + Aphrodite is a good combo. They have great synergy.
turbid needle
Lightning strike on crit.
cunning urchin
This Uppercut is gonna hurt so much. https://imgur.com/a/FavJAOi
weak rivet
Sjshdh
cunning urchin
Nice! Congratulations!
weak rivet
I dont think that flourish is gonna break just hearts
cunning urchin
lololol
weak rivet
Thot vanquished
turbid needle
Don't you dare speak about Meg that way.
weak rivet
Lost in the magma sauce
shadow oriole
it looks like a nice pink sauce I would put on pasta
cunning urchin
Have you tried not stepping into lava in order to not die.
weak rivet
But mom my fat fingers keep dashing too far
untold vortex
wait...so the game of the floor is lava is avoiding the lava 😱 I've been playing that game all wrong
shadow oriole
how does one simply not stand in lava?
cunning urchin
Argh! The Fates are cruel. https://imgur.com/undefined
stable onyx
which bow aspect is the strongest?
cunning urchin
And the link does not work lol.
stable onyx
chrion sounds pretty strong
weak rivet
I like Hera
turbid needle
Zag is my favorite.
cunning urchin
I think my first clear was with Hera's Aspect. They're all pretty good though.
shadow oriole
I like chiron and hera, but they play pretty differently
weak rivet
Hera is edgy and gets bonus points for that
cunning urchin
shadow oriole
what weapon?
dense locust
I just take epic sure footing and have a dance party on the lava
stable onyx
is hera good with the new bloodstone
shadow oriole
it still hurts, but I always use the extra trap damage
cunning urchin
what weapon?
The Uppercut from Hell. https://imgur.com/a/FavJAOi
shadow oriole
gotcha. go for the god fight
turbid needle
It struggles if you only have the one Bloodstone, but Fully Loaded, Chaos Grasp, and lots of Prometheus Stones and Bone Hourglass can make it super scary, especially with Trippy Shot because you get Bloodstones back more quickly.
Fully Loaded being kinda-sorta-not-really exclusive with Trippy Shot is a pain.
shadow oriole
hera aspect, stygian soul, and any extra casts is nuts. even if oyu dont get the extra casts just grab trippy shot or blade shot and then all the duo boons for it
its almost a free win
cunning urchin
Press Y to win. https://imgur.com/uGBvXvt
The crits were great too, especially on armor. Draining Cutter feels almost too good.
tired elk
What does fated choice mean? lol
One of the Prophecies on the Fated List indicates you will choose this.
tepid ridge
@tired elk it basically is a guide that tells you how to fulfill prophesies at the house between runs by telling you what options you haven’t taken while escaping before.
errant narwhal
You can access prophecies at the house by going to the desk near the mirror, and it has all sorts of lists you need to fulfill for rewards
sullen valley
Alright, Benefits Package (Haste / Armor and HP) Numbskulls + Hestia Rail + Pierced Butterfly is so terrifying
turbid needle
The bone zone seeks new victims
sullen valley
please i have a boyfriend and a pet butterfly please
sullen valley
It's harder than Tartarus,
but if you aren't used to Asphodel (as annoying as it's gonna be) you're gonna get whopped in the face in Elysium
until you get used to Elysium too
stiff flume
who was the guy in here who does 32+ runs with fists?
i breeze through ~10 heat runs with every weapon except for fists, i just die with those
cant even imagine 32
you always have to be so close to everything
was it you @dense locust ?
dense locust
Ive done a few
You'll notice a theme among all of them
(athena attack)
Except for this one: https://imgur.com/p1zTpac
stiff flume
oh
dense locust
But I usually start every fists run with athena keepsake and take attack, or dash if I have to
stiff flume
thats completely different from what ive been trying, zeus attack and artemis crit special
dense locust
But I've found that dashing while holding attack button allows for pretty much constant punches, so with athena attack and athena dash, there is a lot of defense there
Once the enemy loses shield, you just hold punches on them, dashing only to reposition into safety from other enemies
dense locust
yeah you can actually just hold the attack button down and then while holding it, dash through enemies, and it resets the combo
stiff flume
pretty cool, ty!
dense locust
And the punches mini stun enemies (idk what its officially called, but staggers them if they dont have armor)
stiff flume
ye
dense locust
Thats one reason why Ill sometimes pick up the 1000% damage to armor from dash strikes hammer
stiff flume
tho i died to a bouncing grenade by level 3 boss that didnt have an indicator anymore...
i hope they fix that
dense locust
Without armor, you can keep an entire group of enemies permastaggerd just with punches, not to mention you have your special still to use at your discretion
dense locust
After doing quite a few athena fist runs though, I've gotten a lot more cautious about when to use the special because it opens you up to attacks a little bit
Honestly, just athena attack could carry me through to elysium if I'm on my game
The defensive power of it is insane
Experiment with it
lament coral
@stiff flume if it's any help, you can keep track of Theseus' bombs by looking at the ground, since their shadows remain visible
dense locust
Keep in mind hydra head slams aren't deflectable, shield dudes in elysium spin attacking isn't deflectable, asterius spinning isn't deflectable, hades spin attacks aren't deflectable
stiff flume
ty zepp, ill try to look out
clear dome
does asterius spin?
lament coral
he does with EM3
dense locust
yeah
but if hes charging you, feel free to just punch at him
with athena attack
The hit box of athena attack can get weird if the enemy is up close and using certain attacks, but just play around with it
lament coral
I don't think it's Athena, it's just different weapons
for example, if you stand on top of an enemy, you won't be able to hit em using fist's attack
dense locust
I just mean that an enemy can hit you despite throwing out fists at them if they are at a weird angle. It could be that there is a very very small window between fists in which they can hit you and not be deflected though
Oh also those purple sucidal dudes with the bombs
cant deflect those
lament coral
well, there's a bit of a downtime between combos
dense locust
Not if you're dashing while holding attack at the right time
which is why athena dash is also importanyt
And what enables 100% deflect if your positioning is good
lament coral
ye, Athena everything is pretty vital for the fist
I've not been particularly impressed with her stuff on the sword though
maybe with flurry strike it's better
dense locust
My one and only 32 heat run with the sword was athena attack
lament coral
Arthur?
dense locust
on nemesis aspect
lament coral
ah
dense locust
works pretty well
Tried aphrodite quite a few times and just inevitable got hit too many times
stiff flume
ive only done 32 once so far with the healing spear, was pretty comfortable without time limit
feels a bit cheesy tho
stiff flume
ye i never do with higher heat runs
dense locust
unless I'm trying something greater than 32
stiff flume
on ~10 its still fine
dense locust
and it's the lesser evil
Ya
Actually at higher heats I still refuse to take it because I know the only way Im winning most of the time is by just playing well
I know a lot of people like to take it at high heat though because if your build is decent, you'll probably stay within the time anyway
stiff flume
i wish it was possible to spawn hermes reliably 😔 the extra dashes are such a huge help
dense locust
Fated persuasion is your best bet for that
and then keeping the mirror upgrade for increased rare and increased epic
and then just farm keys whenever you can
I really haven't found the alternative to the increased rare and increased epic chance mirror alternatives very useful
dense locust
I feel like I honestly find more if I just take the increased rare chance and epic chance, and then try and buy a rarity increase from the well, or try and wait to do a mini boss until it has a boon that could potentially be duo/legendary
And then with fated persuasions, you can reroll it 1 or 2 times, and usually Ill get it by then
lament coral
I'd rather always have blue/purple attack/special/cast than maybe getting a legendary sooner if I get the right boons
dense locust
The one problem with taking athena attack on the fists most of the time is that when you don't take it, you have to adjust to the fact that you can just dash-attack into anything with no fear
Yeah exactly
dense locust
The starting damage on doom attack is literally half what it is on epic
and then it even scales worse...
If the chance of legendary was 30% then maybe
dense locust
You could do a build where you get boons that don't really matter if they are common or epic (like athena dash)
lament coral
I wish common boons started low but then picked up the slack via poms
dense locust
but then get deadly reversal and heart rend much sooner
olive badge
I never thought I would like Zeus attack
but Zeus legendary and attack on Malphon is chef kiss
also it might be me mistaking or sth
but apparently the hammer upgrade on the fist that let it do a dash strike at the end of the combo causes dash effects to proc?
gloomy vine
What does faster special do on aspect of Zeus shield? Makes it fly faster?
naive laurel
zeus attack actually isn't much reliant on rarity actually, anything not common can do and do well
and....zeus shield Iirc is flying faster
naive laurel
that will prob be busted Lul
quick vigil
So the dash attack does not affect the bow right
tawdry sail
I messed up in bug reporting.
Giant vermin showed up when giant snakestone audio clip played
Reported it. Resumed game. Giant snakestone showed up as well
Any way to pull report back?
round summit
So the dash attack does not affect the bow right
@quick vigil it is affected, but very slightly
quick vigil
Gotcha, I put the game down for a while and just now coming back with a new save
olive badge
anyway
I never tried but if you have max DD and buy a new one does it add up to 4
or just can't buy at all
gray lintel
huh you can cancel quake cutter by dashing before you land
hard dove
covert tide
@frail yew you must have been hit by one of his bloodstones
gray lintel
heroic Life Affirmation
covert tide
It makes him do more damage to you, your screen goes green around the edges
naive laurel
spent spirit lightning phalanx cold fusion
@hard dove
covert tide
Also 124 is a pretty low total to get to hades with (aside from Guan Yu) so you could try prioritizing centaur hearts more
gray lintel
epic heroic soul too. nice
huh chaos gates can spawn in 'lobby' areas on the second and third place
naive laurel
u can buy ixiom at transition Area and make them spawn there too.
tho elysium usually have a Hammer at room 1, so It's tough choice
molten palm
Shadowstrike is good with like almost all sword aspects
increased range and damage is helpful with poseidon
or special
of special
sullen valley
Almost all of the sword's hammers are a little underwhelming compared to the other weapons'...
molten palm
My favorite aspect for any weapon is X damage increase vs armor
err hammer not aspect
molten palm
ya dash strike
gray lintel
but that doesn't really help against any boss IMO except hydra
molten palm
its not about bosses
its about smoothing your run for faster easier tog et you to the boss
like aphrodite deathsplosion is fantastic early and ins tyx
solid cairn
I just want a boon that lets armor damage carry over to normal health
So I don’t do like 1 damage when the enemy has a tiny bit of armor left
molten palm
Im not bothered by that at all really
sullen valley
@gray lintel why does EVERYONE forget about Hades' minions. 
gray lintel
cause by that point hades minions are a walk in the park 
molten palm
Hades minions are pretty random sometimes its ones that go kabloom instantly and other times you get the gorgon and butterfly
gray lintel
like it matters fro Bone Hydra because armor is a significant part of their health bar during invulnerability gating
sullen valley
Not all the time, at least for me. They're not only a distraction from Hades, but if you ignore them, they will take any chance to put their feet right between your legs to trip you up.
It's worse if you have Boiling Blood, too.
Numbskulls, yeah, they're easy
But the Brightsword, imo...
molten palm
I mean normally once hades minions spawn they last like 4 seconds
I pretty much insta call then overpower them
ive even had many runs where I ignore them and race hades down
sullen valley
If they're from Tartarus yeah. But they're also stronger than their usual counterparts. They don't have any HP, but it feels like they have twice as normal armor HP.
molten palm
theyve never posed a real threat
although if you turn on benefits package 2 they can get really bad
sullen valley
If you're able to ignore them, that's p fine. But I'll still argue whatever the minion, weak or not, it's still something worth keeping track of.
he what now
That ain't cool
gray lintel
like 50% of hammer upgrades are utility
or are designed to augment a specific playstyle but not required
molten palm
the armor hammers are always useful pretty much
after that theres a definite tiering of aspect boon and playstyle
gray lintel
quake cutter is less useful than I expected mostly because it's like a backswing
you can cancel before the damage is applied
molten palm
ok quake cutter is just bad
molten palm
maybe youve had luckw ith it but for my experience its bad
gray lintel
i'm doing it with Talos Aspect
molten palm
are you playing on enemy speed 2?
sullen valley
and you're telling me you can apply that "Cancel your damage" aspect to the attack if you take a hammer?!
gray lintel
i mean if enemies are faster than normal yeah okay
a lot of things in the game are cancelable
like I think it's possible to cancel in the middle of the special 'combo'?
molten palm
so to give a little context everything im doing atm is max enemy speed and a buncha other nastyness and at that point QC is just too slow to really work
gray lintel
quake cutter is slow in that regard yes I wouldn't do it unless you had a good way to apply lots of chill
or festive fog
molten palm
or combine em both into icewine!
gray lintel
right now on this run it's kind of crazy and I have like +50% max life gain and +80% life restoration 
so uh
things get weird
delicate nimbus
When I pick up darkness, I'm getting +5 max health and I'm not sure what is causing that
molten palm
for malphon though id say best hammers are the combo ender into dashs trike, the armor killer, the sequential attackr aiser, and the area damage and icnrease ond ash upper
you bought an upgrade for a diamond from the house contractor
@delicate nimbus \
sullen valley
Eh, I'm pretty sure almost anything you do to cancel your attacks could be covered or whatnot, but it's especially noticeable to cancel your special (or quake cutter) animation for the sword.
solid cairn
I prefer Demeter for fists
molten palm
for fists theres no bad choice for attack
delicate nimbus
OH yeah I did last night lol
gray lintel
i haven't gotten demeter yet
molten palm
there are some thatr equire more work
delicate nimbus
wow that's so good lol
molten palm
but no bad ones
gray lintel
fully upgraded for 7x punch sounds funny
solid cairn
It is
molten palm
nope areas fist with delay and stackables
solid cairn
Demeter fists with Artemis special is just a touch of death attack
gray lintel
This build is like... aphrodite special with +19% damage on weakened target, artemis punches, like 40% dodge after using posideon dodge, posideon cast, uh
i think like 10% less damage taken if having no casts with the rechargey thingie for cast spam
molten palm
poseidon fist agaisnt bosses can get into the realm of rediculous
if you can get the hgih investment stuff
gray lintel
i did that before, with the lightning on knockback
molten palm
I normally dont recomend poseidona ttack onf ist though
gray lintel
died to hades tho :x
solid cairn
I almost never use Poseidon at all
molten palm
poseidon is super awesome
gray lintel
hades has really hard to dodge attack patterns and a lot of health
solid cairn
He’s just kind of underpowered in my opinion
molten palm
I feel he doesnt get the credit he deserves
has one of the strongest casts adnd ashes damage wise
solid cairn
He’s really only worth if you get lucky and have like all of his boons
molten palm
cans tillput out of the box decent damage
rips through styx with anything
just attack or special and knockback damage increase on hitting wall
gray lintel
knockbacks are basically by far the most powerful abilities for non-bosses
molten palm
will muirder styx
gray lintel
his cast is generically good and (probably) one of the best naked casts without any augments
he has one of the best duo boons in the game IMO with zeus
molten palm
and augmented with demeter zeus etc. turns into death of a screenc ast
gray lintel
his call is actually really good and is basically athena except doing metric tons of damage
solid cairn
Poseidon on attack seems like a bad idea for most weapons
molten palm
poseidon attack is solid for most weps
molten palm
like its close to standard in alot of areas but it also has areas where its godly
gray lintel
the thing is that you have to use the enviroment with poseidon, you deal like double damage hitting people against walls, and like triple damage in corners
solid cairn
Guan yu with Poseidon attack lmao
sullen valley
🤔
brisk copper
solid cairn
I think that GY with Artemis special is better though
molten palm
thing with arthur is demeter and aphro are just too good to not have on attack
gray lintel
he's also got nice meta reward perks I guess
sullen valley
y e e s h
molten palm
I like athena special on spear, its ok as an attack but I usually prefer soemthign else
sullen valley
Combine Arthur Aspect, Artemis Attack, Boiling Blood, Chaos and Butterfly (somehow)
molten palm
EG if I cant get her dodge
molten palm
athena dodge=god of all dodge aspects
gray lintel
do you mean dash
because the god of all dodge is Hermes with dodge on using call effect
solid cairn
Why is spread shot with Artemis attack on rail so insane
covert tide
I like Poseidon cast and that’s about it
gray lintel
with 2.33s cast cooldown timer, rifts suck people into the center, and +1 cast from chaos
molten palm
ultimate styx take no dmage mode poseidona ttack on shield
covert tide
Haaaaate Poseidon dash
gray lintel
i sadly did not get artemis +3 casts legendary
molten palm
love poseidon dash
gray lintel
but hades still had to deal with like half a dozen blades spinning on his face forever
molten palm
dash I like least is aphro
gray lintel
that does so much damage
covert tide
If I dash to something I want to hit it lol
solid cairn
Aphro dash gives status
molten palm
aphrod ash what I sidike is when the damage debuff component comes out
solid cairn
If you want privileged status then it’s the way to go
molten palm
small spot at your destination
covert tide
Aphrodite Athena Dionysus for dash
gray lintel
since Ares has a skill to suck people into the middle of rifts, what about a Posideon/Ares duo that reverses knockback direction? :v
molten palm
oh wait I like artemis dash less
gray lintel
artemis 'dash' is really good if you don't want something special on dash
covert tide
Artemis dash is situational for me
molten palm
I just find id rather have soemthing special
covert tide
If I’ve got statuses on attack and special
molten palm
than the raw damshd amage
covert tide
Then yes to Artemis dash
gray lintel
fun fact: unless it was changed, dashes apparently animation cancel dash attack cooldowns
(and attacks in general)
molten palm
unless I were running like nemesis with chaos dash buffs then Id be like ok lets go for a 400 percent dash build
gray lintel
with extra dashes this gets funny
+4 dashes from hermes, spear, flurry jab(this was I think before serrated edge was in)
you can like make 7 attacks in an instant with dash attack cancelling on a target
i did this with an Artemis crit build with artemis dash and attack
i might have had the aphrodite duo boon too?
but everything just melted with extreme damage, I'd do a single dash burst on hades and like a third of his health was just gone
molten palm
theres lotsa insta melts combos out there that require less buttons to do but I agree theres some funs tuff to be had
I chained 4 dashes with ares dash and legebndary
that was hillarious
weak rivet
The boon of despair
Out of bounds
On lava
I have 8 hp
Its clipped between asphodel gravestones
molten palm
dash hit immediatley and dash out may be able to avoid damage if your lucky
weak rivet
I am now at 5 hp but i am a free man
molten palm
good thing you didnt have 400 percent trap damage on
soo I woner if they are gonna give us something bigger and more luxious than ||fountains|| in the house contractor
weak rivet
Me standing above a chaos portal at 3 hp: let me in. LET ME IIIIN
molten palm
not without a chaos egg
conversely your in perfect shape for erebus
unless you need a red onion
in which case at 3hp your dead
gray lintel
spear dash feels super dang floaty
like you can just do drive by spear dashes on people and hit most of them
gray lintel
dash cancel techniques work with the sword too interestingly enough, you can cheat out a three hit combo using dashes but the timing is wack
gray lintel
like you can go from no hits with the sword to the third hit stab with the sword in less than half a second
don't have it unlocked yet lol
gray lintel
if you want :v
molten palm
its more like dash buffering than cancelling with that aspect
basically arthur is slow AF
molten palm
but you cans tart its animations then dash to destination and aim the attack before it triggers making it use dash come out at dash point
you can also special dash and special will come out at your dash point
gray lintel
that's kind of what the anim canceling I found does yeah, you can do a combo using the attack cooldown removing effects of dashes
aw, Cruel Thrust is incompatible with arthur
molten palm
so I imagine youll have fun with arthur
save 3 bloods to unlock it
I dont think it is
the arthur dasha ttack is pretty good
and I couldve sworn I got that boon with excalibur before
gray lintel
it's +200% damage on the t hrust
600 damage would be a bit crazy
with a 40% crit chance too
gray lintel
"Although the dash strike looks like a thrust, it does not benefit from Cruel Thrust." from the wiki
molten palm
shadow stabber or whatever its called is so op on arthur for boss fights
arthur is just OP to befin with
its alot of fun on higher heat
gray lintel
i still like triple bomb gun the best
molten palm
I used to like triple bomb gun
gray lintel
had one run where it was like posideon special, triple bomb, rockets, zeus lightning on knockback, double knockback
molten palm
but now I prefer 5 bomb and move speed slow
gray lintel
lightning hits twice, with Festive Fog and lightning hits in festive fog
i literally couldn't see anything lmao
molten palm
and once again anything anti armor I love
gray lintel
everything was just a massive collection of lightning bolts and effects everywhere and everything just instantly died
molten palm
ya festive fog one stack has transparency
add in artys dual cast and mor eon one spot
and it becomes inpenetrable smoke screen
gray lintel
lightning bolts on dashes too and I think I had zeus call too to be even more excessive?
molten palm
I generally try not to have more than 1 or 2 core skills of a single god
gray lintel
molten palm
core being attack dash cast etc.
gray lintel
eh I had posideon attack and special because zeus duo is too good
especially with the gun and how fast it fires
covert tide
I ended up with chill on dash and special the other day, only because I didn’t get a special until late and then I was desperate
But it worked out because I had Arctic blast
gray lintel
i think with rupture and jolted I had the two status effect trigger too
molten palm
yeah like if your in elysium and need tof ill a slot filla slot
yeah rupture and jolted are both status curses and while both active trigger prestiged status
gray lintel
posideon + zeus is IMO like one of the best combos in the game because of that
because a single attack can proc both rupture and jolted
gray lintel
this was before demeter even existed
covert tide
Poseidon duo and cold fusion?
molten palm
then yes in thatcase yes only thing better is zeus legendary on it
I wonder if were getting a new god in the future
molten palm
like I kinda want one but dont feel we need one
gray lintel
my favorite casts are probably aphrodite's cast or festive fog
molten palm
I dont inherently like festive fog
I like it with hera bow
and I love it as icewine
but just as festive fog not a big fan
gray lintel
it's a massive damage AOE that also slows enemies
and the boons to augment it are great
if you're not getting festive fog when dionysus comes up i am unsure what you are even doing
molten palm
well the lov cast delay
can be irritating
it doesnt sticka stone into enemies so your missing out on the stone damage or impairments
gray lintel
also dionysus legendary is uh. +100% damage in festive fog with hangover
with zeus it's constant lightning bolts inside too
molten palm
while in festive fog with impairment yes once again it can be good but its still super niche there now icewine on the other hand
if you can get the dup boon
gray lintel
you also get big damage reduction in festive fog with a boon, there's always the slowdown of enemies there
molten palm
my opinion of festive fog goes up like 1000 percent
gray lintel
and it self synergizes with positive outlook because I think reduced damage is additive?
two 25% reduced damage effects stack into taking half normal damage
molten palm
I dont know the math behind damage reduction
gray lintel
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (1 × Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))```
stuck bough
what is a good defensive build for arthur aspect?
molten palm
but I did have an arthur run with icewine and aphrodite with damage reduction boons increased weakness reduction boons and damage reduction in god boon plus arthurs thing and face tanked the minotaur while taking no damage
because Iw as too lazy to dodge
gray lintel
yeah right now I have Aphrodite's weak, on top of reduced damage when no casts available, and crazy amounts of boosted life. it's nice
covert tide
Blackout is one of the best legendaries in the game though
gray lintel
i think my highest life total was like close to 400
covert tide
So that makes FF worth it
gray lintel
and yes that is like 100% damage
molten palm
I dont think there is a bad legendary in the game
covert tide
The fact that it refers to how much damage enemies TAKE
Means it multiplies the good way with all your other damage boosts
If you can get ice wine and blackout
You’re golden
gray lintel
oh also the cast thing is only attacks and specials
molten palm
ive had icewine blackout zeus before
gray lintel
which doesn't help for cast centric builds or secondary damage like zeus
covert tide
And scintillating feast??
molten palm
Is scintilating the dmaage reduction?
covert tide
No the Zeus Dio duo
molten palm
oh yes
zeus dup and zeus legendary, dionisus and dion legendary and aphro dion duo with icewine
it wasnt a kill box it was a straight up slaughterhopuse
I wish every run could be that run lol
Did it with chiron bow
molten palm
one really nice thing about zeus and demeter
is you can unlock like all their sub boons form having their call
its not a hard requirement to have it as attack etc.
then you can creatively uyse duos to grant effects
molten palm
yes but you can take jolted by oinly having zeus call
then once you get zeus dio duo your festives take care of the lightning and jolted for you without having to call
or like poseidon cast and demeter call take cool ass frost upgrades duo voon blammo all the bonuses combined ontoy our posy shot
only downside there is it doesnt stick into things
but the trail of death is worht it
seriousely so much rediculousely fun brokens hit I love this game
but I hate traps
I really ahte traps
especially elysium purple bolts of death because you can open a trove and when screent urns red you cant see the purple bolts of death
and if you have traps 400% of damage that can kill you
covert tide
I don’t take that heat
Makes it too easy for one stupid mistake to wreck things
I do take the chaos trap thing sometimes, but that’s temporary so it’s okay
sullen valley
You know what'd be interesting to see if we ever get a stronger/Extreme Measures Hades?
gray lintel
My favorite run is still triple bombs + rocket launcher on gun.
i was basically doom guy with lightning
sullen valley
It looks like he uses a bunch of the Mirrors' traits. What if he used the flipped-aspects?
gray lintel
encounters were just me shooting rockets at everything until they die
covert tide
@sullen valley oh god imagine hades having 50% dodge after dashing
molten palm
Im prettys ure well see extreme measures 4
hermes keepsake zagreus fist, dash timing for dodge buff
its a real thing
gray lintel
timings tweaked so that the only way to avoid hades is invulnerability frames of dash
cunning urchin
I used to always get a lot of movement speed+, but I find that just makes the Hades fight harder because I keep sliding past rocks and get hit by his beams lol.
Zag sword + epic movement speed is definitely too much to control well.
sullen valley
Shadow Presence: Turns invisible and invincible, clearing all effects. Ends with an attack. // Fiery Presence: Winds up for a heavily telegraphed attack. This attack takes away half of enemy HP if not avoided.
Stubborn Defiance/Thick Skin: Regains all HP for a stronger Second Phase // Death Defiance/High Confidence: Has less HP, gains 1 more phase.
Infernal Soul: Uses a move to send out 1 or more Casts. // Stygian Soul: Consistently fires Casts towards a random direction after telegraph. Does not interrupt current action.
Greater Reflex: Dashes more than once at a time. Can dash with an attack. // Ruthless Reflex: Only dashes once at a time. Becomes invincible and deals contact damage during and briefly after dash.
...I just realized that Hades' current spear (I forgot what it as called) is like a reverse of Varatha.
Normal Attack - Slashes
Dash Attack - Thrusts
Spin Slash also moves him.
solid cairn
What is that list for
sullen valley
He says it's name when you've exausted all of his pre-battle dialogue and fight him with Varatha.
weak rivet
Gigatholos?
sullen valley
You know what'd be interesting to see if we ever get a stronger/Extreme Measures Hades? It looks like he uses a bunch of the Mirrors' traits. What if he used the flipped-aspects?
weak rivet
Something of that sound
sullen valley
Wasn't it, but it does have "giga" I remember.
solid cairn
So he has his own benefits package
weak rivet
Gigafork.
weak rivet
I tried
mossy breach
gigachad spear? but seriously, speaking of hades , its cool that he turns himself invisible, he had a invisibilty helmet in the myths
sullen valley
Huh. Didn't know that.
naive tusk
And now you learned a new thing today 🌈
gray lintel
huh
if an enemy has armor, is the enemy considered undamaged when the armor is stripped(because they're at 100% HP)
like for enemies with armor, do you get twice the benefit from damage boosts vs. unarmed enemies
what about the HP barriers certain heat levels have
gray lintel
also huh. Golden Touch: what counts as a region. Is that like "Escaped from tartarus" or each room?
weak rivet
You get it in the fountain rooms after bosses
covert tide
You don’t need to have that much for it to add up to more than 100 money over the course of a run
But there’s a case to be made that front-loading money is better
gray lintel
you'd have to make sure to have at least 220 gold during each boss
naive laurel
I just played the Same run 3 times in a row, cuz hades blue screened By laptop twice
I kinda discovered not fishing might also change the run Even with same seed
sullen valley
o w.
naive laurel
hey it's a demeter atk special clusterbomb hestia run, It's gonna be easy
demeter for hestia is almost perfect as she makes attack very flexible
azure lake
btw guys i don't understand how aspect of achilles works ? you throw then dash attack and then you have bonus % dmg ?
naive laurel
for 2 attack or cast, Yes
Not dash attack, as u press apecial again ull go tothe Spear location
sullen valley
You press Q to throw the spear. When you press Q again, instead of recalling, you charge towards the position of your spear.
naive laurel
Which makes it a very good mobility tool too
sullen valley
Don't try to toss it into magma or spike traps!
...You can also press Attack to normally recall it without charging.
azure lake
oh nice, it's actually quite good for cast builds then ?
naive laurel
Depends, but mostly Yes
sullen valley
It's good for combos overall.
If you like casts, cool. But I think the main focus was supposed to be for overall attack damage.
...before I make a feedback, would Thanatos be considered a spoiler?
naive laurel
Not sure
welp, I think taking Only 250 dmg against hades is somewhat an achievement
Only heat 16 tho, Rip
sullen valley
Still an achievement, ey?
naive laurel
Yeah....I hate when he lazers while all vases are still up.....
those took 40 health both times
sullen valley
I don't know if it's true, but the Hades wiki says they count as traps
so if you have that pact that ups Trap damage, ****************************8
naive laurel
Oh Yeah they are traps
I took dmg from the lazer while dodging the vase explosions behind covers
sullen valley
oof
naive laurel
Since getting stunned is defnitely 100+ health bye bye
sullen valley
Fun fact: You can sit down next to Hades while he does the laser attack
naive laurel
Lul Yeah, I did that the 3rd time, Since I just athena called into his face
naive laurel
nah
but 18 sec impervious? Oh boi
Ofc u need epic call lvl 4 or So, but still, good af
I'm doing my old trick now, Stygian sould poseidon aspect sword forcing cast build Lul
tired elk
What is the normal amount of escapes to get past the first boss on your first runthrough?
yes
first boss XD
sullen valley
erasure.mp3
tired elk
The lobbing projectile is probably really good
gray lintel
how tight is the timing on Ruthless Reflex anywho, cause sacrificing a dash for +50% damage and dodge chance some of the time is tempting
sullen valley
You can get the Ruthless text to pop up and not know why for a good few seconds before piecing things together.
tired elk
I have no met Demeter yet XD
gray lintel
...soooo it's good if you don't mind having one less dash?
sullen valley
The bomb?
tired elk
the cast XD
sullen valley
The bomb.
tired elk
XD
yes
it does 160 so yea
da bomb
and boiling blood so idk I think I like the aoe cast allot
gray lintel
you mean Festive Fog?
gray lintel
Chaos boons are almost always worth it if you can survive with minimal effects.
they're worth it IMO up until the start of the third area
i like using Fated Persuasion on chaos boons, especially because you can get two of the same type like
in the Hunting Blades run I had +100% cast damage from chaos lol
and +1 gems
with 2.33 recharge rate for gems
sullen valley
Festive bomb.
gray lintel
i still like that the best lol
like, sure you lose out on the (additive) +50% damage boost but
the AOE is so good
tired elk
I do not know what an infernal trove looks like
gray lintel
plus it not sticking into people means you can get casts back faster if you're not recharge
gray lintel
infernal troves look like chests, you have to buy them first from the contractor
they're basically like a green chest on a table you walk up to
tired elk
oh the trials
sullen valley
naive laurel
welp my game just crashed after some of the texture refuse to load...
thank god this time the mid-run save is still there
sullen valley
Tartarus_Shade.gif not found. Restarting timeline.
tired elk
Big chop worth it? lol
naive laurel
what are other 2 options
tired elk
200% on backstab or heal 2 per attack but lose 60% hp
naive laurel
jez, both good options
naive laurel
my first ever win is with the 2nd one
backstab is also generally good but, Depends on skill
gray lintel
i would get the heal 2 per attack if you feel comfortable with your defenses
especially if you have a bunch of health
like if you can attack roughly 10 times between hits it's great
naive laurel
Yep, the major thing with cursed strike is, u get to do whatever u want usually during normal encounteres
delicate nimbus
I'm looking up how to get heroic boons, and guides are saying you can swap boons?
How do you swap boons?
naive laurel
swap is offered By chance, not forcable
delicate nimbus
It hasn't happened for me yet but I only got to Styx haven't beaten the game once yet
naive laurel
iirc It also doesn't happen inthe first 5 runs
gray lintel
Heroic boons can only be obtained if you increase boon rarity(somehow). Either swapping(god offers you a replacement attack/cast/dash/call) which gives you the replaced boon rarity +1. A specific encounter in the second area. Or by certain other effects.
shadow oriole
just keep at it youll see the swaps for heroic boons, you need to replace an epic boon, or you can get heroics from ||Eurydice|| and rare crop
gray lintel
As far as I can tell you shouldn't worry about it too much. It seems that pom scaling is faster on lower rarity boons?
also huh TIL trial of the gods don't offer duo boons with the paired god
shadow oriole
Im pretty sure higher rarity boons scale better with poms, but it does depend on the boon. you still shouldn't worry about getting heroic boons though, good synergy is more important, as is good play
tired elk
Which god do you guys like using?
shadow oriole
depends on the weapon but artemis and athena are pretty much always good
naive laurel
the ones I can choose, artemis
athena is basically a must at my save and heat lvl So, welp
shadow oriole
yeah her dash is too good
gray lintel
To me it seesm that if a regular boon is +20% to something and a epic is +50%, a pom might give epic +5% while the regular one is like +15%.
naive laurel
Iirc I've only won 4 runs without athena after 10 heat in this hell save
gray lintel
Epic is still 'better', but boon effects slow down in scaling.
shadow oriole
the lower the level of the boon the greater benefit it gets from a pom, it also depends on the boon
naive laurel
Oh my, poseidon attack on Chaoes shield is SO good
tired elk
I've reached the second boss twice XD
naive laurel
Oh It is Not yet
tired elk
ok thanks
shadow oriole
youll see heat after being the last boss
tired elk
I don't have Artemis or Athena's boon yet ;__;
Is the spear looking weapon good?
I currently have the 20% more darkness sword
gray lintel
some people say that the spear is the best weapon and unbelievably better than all other weapons
shadow oriole
I think spear is the worst weapon
gray lintel
these people also exist for the shield and gun
shadow oriole
shield with chaos aspect is easily the best weapon
gray lintel
nope :v
shadow oriole
its not the most fun, but its stronger then every other wepon
gray lintel
still nope :v
naive laurel
I'm Pretty sure I can get to 40 heat with Chaoes shield If I want to, Not sure about Any other weapon/aspect
hell save too
gray lintel
The shield has particularly weak damage in almost all aspects. It is good defensively, but suffers offensively.
naive laurel
curse of pain lvl 4 wanna have a word
gray lintel
Yes but at that point you have damage from boons, not your weapon. Plus that's dependent on having a very specific setup.
shadow oriole
the special scales really well with certain boons and gives a ton of damage both single target and for room clear. combine that with how easy it is to safely get that damage off makes it the stringest
if you want highest DPS its going be either ||Arthur|| sword, or spread fire rail
gray lintel
Yes. But the same could also be said for the gun. Which has one of the highest damage highest AOE specials in the game along with a fast firing primary fire.
shadow oriole
its a lot harder to get that damage off safely with the rail
gray lintel
Defensively if you like dashes Bow is basically the best, with a doable AOE.
Nah. You're ranged.
It's got a very long range, and burst damage wise there's nothing really equal to it. Especially with hammer upgrades like triple bomb.
shadow oriole
shield is ranged as well
gray lintel
The spear has better range than other ranged weapons amusingly, and it can be abused so hard with dashes.
As in, you can dash constantly, never stopping, and do basically the highest DPS in the game.
naive laurel
chaoes shield is the playstyle of defense for a while, take a split sec of oppotunity to attack, Then back to defense.
doom fits It best.
And, choosing boon By keepsake is No fancy skill anymore
shadow oriole
doom on attack and deflect on special can give great damage if you get the duo boon for it
gray lintel
(spear spin attack is no slouch either, and it's spear toss effect can do great single target)
naive laurel
also highest dps doesnt mean anything If that mean u need to expose yourself much to do It.
losing 1 dd to each boss while doing 1000 dps is still bad
gray lintel
Fists I am unsure what to think about it so far. Good damage? They mostly just seem.... fun.
shadow oriole
the spear has a slower attack making it harder to safely get damage off, and doesnt do room clear as well
gray lintel
You don't really expose yourself at all with a ranged weapon.
Spear is (effectively) a ranged weapon.
Also the spear attacks literally as fast as you can dodge.
shadow oriole
fists do good damage, and play really well with with fast aggressive play styles