i thought you'd want to enhance your special as much as possible when you go chiron
#h1-builds-and-combat
olive badge
For invul call Poseidon is infinitely better
stiff flume
personally i dont like artemis call
dense locust
you can, but doom attack is huge increase to dps for one boon
dense locust
chain shot lets you deal with multiple enemies and lets you shoot through walls
stiff flume
what does the demeter special do?
dense locust
each arrow applies chill
stiff flume
ah
dense locust
and it also gives the second highest damage increase to special
stiff flume
alright ill give it a shot 🤔
dense locust
oh yeah I totally forgot about that as well
proper jolt
I've been using the one hammer upgrade for the rail that turns the special into a missile and it's actually pretty good
Kinda was ignoring it every time I found it
dense locust
It's literally my favorite hammer in the game
dense locust
oooo boy, with heroic artemis special on chiron bow and relentless volley, do I take clean kill or deadly reversal
Im leaning towards clean kill because the crits are already there and I don't really have other damage sources except for doom
man I cannot emphasize how powerful ares attack and chain shot are on chiron bow
especially with impending doom, it's a very a solid source of damage
turbid needle
Clean Kill.
dense locust
Yeah I took clean kill
deadly reversal is almost useless after I thought about it
I also have pressure points so I'm already at 25% crit chance
Nice, theseus/asterius didn't touch me once
oh yeah, 420 max hp
weak rivet
fesh
clear dome
poseidon legendary is good tho...
dense locust
Crap, after grabbing the darkness from hades, my hp jumped to 427.... run ruined
turbid needle
Time to nuke the run from orbit and start again new.
clear dome
why ruined?
dense locust
They don't even give a give-up option a
after killing him
because my hp was 420
After taking darkness from hades, I have 427
clear dome
why does it matter?
dense locust
Because I'm a dweeb
dense locust
and like ending with 420 hp
clear dome
:
dense locust
I could have made puns like "here's my aspect of chronic bow run"
Athena dash? more like athena hash.... Sorry if this is inappropriate for the server I just like dumb puns
clear dome
what is hash?
dense locust
google it, Im already off topic for this server
turbid needle
It's a joke, @clear dome
azure lake
What are the common builds for chiron bow ? Artemis secondary I guess but is there any else ? Maybe Zeus' Secondary might work ? Also what's the deal with clouded judgment ? Why is the % so low compared to poseidon's boiling point, I know that it's both when you deal and receive but still it seems super low
turbid needle
Thunder Flourish doesn't gel with Aspect of Chiron.
With the other two Aspects, when you shotgun your Special you get lightning strikes on every arrow that launched, but with Chiron you get maybe 3.
azure lake
Oh right there's the internal cooldown I forgot about that
turbid needle
There's some underneath-the-underneath mechanics at play, but generally speaking the best Flourishes for Aspect of Chiron are Artemis, Dionysus, or Aphrodite.
Artemis for big deeps, Dionysus for big poisons stacks (pair with this Aphrodite and Low Tolerance for 8 Hangover stacks), and Aphrodite for her Legendary to stunlock Hades.
shadow oriole
how does the cool down work with sea storm if you have Poseidon on special?
azure lake
Oh yeah, the special with dionysus insta max stack hungover that seems nice
turbid needle
It's gone back and forth, @shadow oriole
dense locust
Artemis on special isn't my ideal either. Demeter works really well because of its high damage increase and chill stacks
turbid needle
There have been patches where you get a lightning bolt on every Tempest Flourish arrow, and some not.
dense locust
Ugh I hate buying a chaos room from the well and then the next room makes me decide between my first hermes or the chaos I just bought
turbid needle
Transitioning into Asphodel?
dense locust
I'd argue 690 is for casuals and 69 is for pros
weak rivet
nice
dense locust
daaaamn, 32 heat demeter fists going into styx with 4 dds
dense locust
Thanks!
Been pretty ideal, athena attack and dash, epic artemis special, chaos boons to attack and dash attack, chaos boon for 95% gold, deadly reversal, long knuckle, epic swift strike, breaching cross... I already have my 32 heat for fists but this has been a blast. Now I gotta just not screw up styx.
Wow styx has given me epic poseidon call and 3 more dashes so far.... it's just one of those runs
rare support fire...
That was the least stressed I've ever been on 32
Let's see, Demeter aspect twin fists, Long Knuckle and Breaching Cross hammers, Epic greatest reflex for 5 athena dashes, epic poseidon call, Chaos's Abyssal influence (+95% gold), Caustic Lunge (+84% dash damage), and extra DD: https://imgur.com/27J2mCn
I just realized I have less total darkness than the cost of my next fated persuasion
turbid needle
Not gonna tell you how to play 'cause you did it on your own, but Explosive Upper is Demeter's best Hammer.
dense locust
Oh don't get me wrong
I was praying for it
but breaching cross was the best of the second hammers
turbid needle
Then I take back what I said, well done on your accomplishment.
dense locust
Is the darkness in the left corner what I have invested in the mirror?
turbid needle
Top left corner? Yes.
dense locust
So my total darkness since I started is slightly more than the cost of the next fated persuasion...
I know darkness farming is a thing, I just don't find it too fun
It'd be a fun late game thing if they made beating 32 heat with every aspect of a weapon unlock something
brisk island
@BadScientist#5152 When you use Fated Authority, you should remember "temporaily rewards" from past rooms - sometimes reward pool is just don't have Boon. Usually happens if previously you gained any god blessing.
Here tip for ya: if one of next chamber already offers Pom/Heart/Coin then you have higher chance for goodies on roll & near 100% if you inside 3-door chamber.
Myself don't use Fated Authority for more gods, rather use to get god which fits in current build because exist limits in certain game phases. Quality > Quantity.
dense locust
On a 32 heat streak now. Eris rail with Triple bomb and Inescapable blast, 4 athena dashes, and epic quick recovery and clouded judment, and rare poseidon call: https://imgur.com/3L3qjEr
stiff flume
how do you get so many epics 😔
also can you explain why you choose that companion?
over something like skelly
@dense locust 
dense locust
Well, if you keep Lasting Consequences low, each boulder heals for a lot, but it also deals a good chunk of damage, can be used to iframe, and gives you gold
To be fair though, I haven't given the other companions much of a chance because I never got great results with them
stiff flume
i see 🤔 ty
dense locust
Things like nourished soul from demeter and certain boons from chaos also amplify the rewards the boulder gives. The healing is honestly the main reason but the other reasons I listed are not to be discounted
Also in the last two runs I posted, luck was pretty strongly on my side
tulip portal
Man, after the last time I posted on here I had a Massive run on wins, 10 wins with 3 in a row! Massively impressed with myself.
2 Things, one, my best clear time of 21:19:46 with Arthu, that bad boy is so OP!
And 2, I didn't get a picture for it. Strangely I have a defect where if I press print screen on the final win page, it somehow gets a screenshot of a boon page earlier in the run. I didn't notice until after I had quit out. Real shame, it was an amazing run.
I did get a picture of my fave run though, with Heart Seeking bow. Didn't like it at first, but that boy can get massively OP too with the right upgrades. https://imgur.com/HqbGS97
dense locust
I have to set up my build, alt tab, and then immediately go back to hades, and then ctrl+print screen to get the proper screen shot
But you can also revisit old runs in the administration room, although it is displayed differently
tulip portal
Ah okay great, thanks, I'll have a butchers and see what it'll display. Would love to see the list of boons I had for the run.
dense locust
itll show you that
sullen valley
Nice
naive laurel
Any hammers?
round summit
With how many heat have you guys succesfully completed the game using Guan Yu's spear?
lament coral
50%
round summit
ok
lament coral
GY is very reasonable when maxed out
round summit
seems more "doable"
lament coral
you just need Athena attack to ensure nothing can get past your spins
round summit
did you even use Cerberus keepsake?
round summit
oh ok
lament coral
with 3 death defiances, it's not that big a deal
round summit
true
lament coral
and I used Skelly cause I played without healing, because of the heat modifier
he makes Erebus practically free, plus you can heal off him
round summit
I guess I'm just not used to the spear then
lament coral
it takes getting used to
lament coral
understandable
round summit
but then again, I can't time my spins well rn
lament coral
I lost 2 DDs in Tartarus during the 32 run
cloning fast miners, and then Alecto put me in a blender
round summit
alecto is a run ender for sure
tisi and meg are pretty much avoidable
but alecto never stops
lament coral
yep
naive laurel
Alecto tests burst dmg basically
If u can fast end a phase before final, Even boldy can do a lot
round summit
I think it's better than the one with extra elite guys
or where elite guys get an extra ability
and I'm going with Zeus' ring just to be sure I deal multiple damage in one shot
if I fail miserably I'm telling you guys
ok changed my mind im going in with Than keepsake
I'm going to suffer
naive laurel
What build? There are some builds that can win w/ just 300 hp effective Imo
round summit
styx with 1 DD + toothy left
Smash'em
naive laurel
Good enough man, that was good considering it's 32
I'm still warming myself up for it, not gonna be pretty when I attempt It
round summit
gl
it was meg
and i encountered sisyphus
in chamber 12
the boons are in order, I got hammer 1 chamber
I think this one might be it
completely ready for obliteration, just waiting for Athena special to complete it
round summit
I just beat the Elisium champs in 1 minute and a half
I still got the 3 DDs
I'm still with Than's keepsake since Tartarus
And I'm going to Styx with it
I'm at 15%
round summit
2 only
I'm a starter still
only tight deadline with 9 min
and Hera's bow
https://imgur.com/jIVQ4KC
its the same run
rn i have Athena special and no dash still
but got like 3 duos which are saving me
Zeus + Poseidon, Athena + Ares and Zeus + Ares
I'm basically spilling damage
naive laurel
Get jolted and I think u'll just win
flat brook
how do u guys win with doom? is it best for slow or fast weapons? it feels useless without the athena duo, and even then it feels very gimmicky... feels like a downgrade from every other attack/special boom
naive laurel
Aoe weapons imo
lament coral
it's weird
earnest ravine
I use it on slower moves generally.
Like, Bow special, sword nova, fist uppercut. Thnigs I use frequently but not usually back-to-back.
round summit
I like doom to stay safe, keep poking ppl from far and kill them without getting hit
I don't use it that much but it's nice to stay afar
Just killed Hades, will send print for the run
It was the one with the best boons I've ever gotten
lament coral
fist special is probably not a good example since it does decent damage and, therefore, benefits from percentile scaling
not to mention the kick hammer
Chiron bow and Chaos shield's specials are good doom carriers
low damage, multiple hits
perfect for Dire Misfortune
earnest ravine
Yeah, but I mainly use Talos Aspect? So I don't use it as frequently as I probably should. even still, in between uses it lets the Doom tick and then I can reapply it pretty quickly.
lament coral
don't you usually special once and dance around attacking?
the buff lasts for what, 10 seconds?
I see your point though
earnest ravine
My usual flowchart is special to get the enemy in (doom usually applies AOE here), attack/cast for a little whilel, use the Doom damage hit noise as a cue to Special again.
flat brook
talos lasts like 4s, kinda underwhelming as well compared to something like eris
lament coral
wow, so short
round summit
thats the final thingo
3 duos
got jolted
Athena's one that does the reflect get higher damage
explosive triple shot since elysium
basically a grenade
yesterday I made a shotgun run with the bow also
I love using it with some absurd manners it feels so good
I'm gonna lunch, and then I'm going to try more heat stuff
normal pecan
fated authority vs fated persuasion which is better?
lament coral
FA helps get the boons you want, FP helps get the rooms you want
it all depends on what you want
I found FA to be more useful with Family Favorite, since you're picking whichever rooms and gods you're given
and FP better with Privileged Status, since you want a few specific gods and their statuses
normal pecan
how about death defiance vs stubborn defiance? i suspect stubborn defiance is better unless you can no-hit up to the final area
lament coral
I think SD is just plain garbage
round summit
DD is just better generally
lament coral
you don't usually drop dead every room
and reviving with 30% is nothing
DD gives you 50%, and you get 3 of em
and you can refill from Athena, well, and Patty
round summit
Maybe SD is good if you're trying to get good with some weapons and learning patterns
lament coral
I don't see how
round summit
If you still suck with some weapon or doesn't know how certain enemy work, you're going to die a lot
normal pecan
i generally drop dead once or twice on every non-fury boss fight so like
earnest ravine
it gives you a use per rroom, so each death is less punishing.
round summit
so SD works as a overtime
normal pecan
i've blown through all my DD by the time i reach elysium
round summit
Patroculos is there to help you
lament coral
ok, but if you're in a tough room, you can only drop 1 SD
round summit
Patroculus*
lament coral
you can't drop 3 and then refill later
round summit
Think of it that way:
you're fighting Shield morons
they're pretty rare, but a pain in the as to get uset to
if you have SD, you can try to learn how to counter them without losing the whole run
but, in contrast, it will be harder to beat the game itself
normal pecan
idk man i switched to SD and i went from dying midway through elysium to nearly beating the final boss so it can't be totally arse
lament coral
see, that's the thing, the run as a whole is harder with SD
round summit
you're sacrificing a run to learn how to counter certain enemies
lament coral
because you can't drop 3 SDs against a boss
round summit
idk
I wouldn't use it bc I'm alredy used to the enemies
but if I weren't I would give it a try
steel sable
I've gotten to the Minautor and Thesius (I believe that's who he is, right?) about 3 times died each. My strat is to try rushing to kill the minotaur, and then kill Thesius, but I always die when i'm 1v1ing Thesius, any tips?
green birch
What phase of Thesesus usually gets you? Can you get him down to half-health or no?
steel sable
Yeah, I can usually get him down to half health, but I usually get overwhelmed when he's attacking and invoking a god, and I need to circle around him to hit him around his shield, and I end up just kind of running into things and dieing.
dusk moss
Is it possible to get Fully Loaded with Hunting Blades (because you can't get Exit Wounds:?)
unkempt pagoda
the only way i can think of is having a different cast beforehand then exchanging/selling it for ares cast
fallow niche
When he lifts his arms up at the start he's not blocking at the front anymore, so you can get some damage in then, and strafing back and forth should let you dash to dodge most calls
unkempt pagoda
and i’m not entirely sure if that works
tepid nymph
I'm a fan of Stubborn Defiance because I hate to lose one of my DDs early on and then feel like I've already wrecked my chances but have to keep playing.
fallow niche
Stubborn is awful for me because I rarely even lose a single DD until the final boss, and he takes like 2 from me sometimes
Need that multiple DD insurance
unkempt pagoda
and even after selling your cast, you’d have to find ares cast and then hunting blades, so it’d be a lot of rng involved
fallow niche
Yeah the change to Fully Loaded is super cancer with how it hurts Hunting Blades
Basically locks you out of a legendary
It hurts pretty much all non-Poseidon Sword cast builds a lot
Which is weird since it was done to nerf Poseidon Sword's Artemis cast build
lament coral
the fact that extra casts are tied to a single god is what hurts cast builds
fallow niche
That too, but dual shot was already a part of Artemis and its incredible so its not that bad
But now you can't just go dual shot > legendary anymore
lament coral
which, again, hurts non-Artemis casts
fallow niche
It hurts it 10x more now than it ever used to
tepid nymph
@steel sable The Champions are by far the hardest fight for me. Strats I've started to come up with:
Don't focus on the minitaur first, I don't know why but I've had success taking shots at both of them while focusing on avoiding both of them.
Spear special is awesome at getting shield guys including Theseus since you can recall it to hit them in the back.
Hard to dodge Theseus spears when I get distracted, but surprisingly easy if I keep my eye on the reticle and make sure I'm moving or dashing when it glows.
When Theseus calls on a god, forget attacking and just focusing on dodging until the god stops shooting. It doesn't go on forever.
naive laurel
This can work really well or really bad I guess, waiting for the hammer
https://imgur.com/ibFH1j0
steel sable
Oh, alright. Thanks Toralyzer.
proven tartan
im surprised Demeter`s trash boons can work sometimes 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/638357994261839882/697151076696326236/unknown.png?width=1620&height=911
stiff flume
32 is so damn hard man, i cant do it 😩
need secret build that makes it easy, please share
proven tartan
@stiff flume https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1017191482989331204/2D71D4EB179230255FD85D4117F6191BD2AD32A8/
it took ~1.5 month to complete it
cause im not so good in this game
main idea that you take gun and stack multiple debuffs in every attack
stiff flume
interesting
proven tartan
S tier is Poseidon\Zeus combo
naive laurel
Wait a sec guys, what does chain shot do w/ triple shot, on the bow
clever heart
For real
naive laurel
u know what, I can give away the 4 extra special shot for an experiment. I hope it's worth it
Holy, it CAN bounce to a single target
that's gonna be worth
naive tusk
Happy little experiments~
proven tartan
ill recommend to use adamant rail cause its not so clunky as a bow
naive laurel
Oh i'm just using whatever dark weapon is rn
proven tartan
after you start, you collect as much 25 hp hearts, as you can. reroll every golden room to this
clever heart
But I love the aspect of hera on the bow so much fun
naive laurel
And I use persuation
proven tartan
but you can stack some effect 7\11 times with every special use
naive tusk
@proven tartan but if you focus on Centaur Hearts that much by rerolling, what about boons? 😮
proven tartan
@naive tusk stay in lava and die if you got some trash 
then repeat again until you have something better
naive tusk
Thanks for the chuckle 
naive laurel
Hmm, I presume spread fire doesn't work well w/ hestia dash build, right
proven tartan
thats for completing 32th heat. you can judge your success rate by the first 2 boons you get
stiff flume
start 32 heat run, get darkness/gems 3 times in a row
😒
i hate it
if at least you could change them to boons with the thingies
proven tartan
I started with +150 gold item, then changed to Charon`s Bone Hourglass
Its perfect to get Erebus boon in first 3 rooms
but if you fail to get it, you should restart
naive laurel
Pure ||virgin|| build lul
https://imgur.com/URSU4Ze
gilded falcon
Is someone has obtained a second time the Posedon's fish boon ? I would like if there is conditions to obtain it again
molten palm
Ive seen poseidons fishing boon come up randomly here and there,I dont think theres any real requirements on it maybe you need a poseidon boon maybe you dont I just know it does reappear in runs.
kinda wish theyd just add a fishing keepsake personally but then again I only care about that for chaos fishing which I hear exists but I cannot confirm it with my own eye
formal umbra
molten palm
ive seen the chaos legendary boon twice and ive seen zero chaos fishing spots
naive laurel
Welp this probably is my most intense run ever
https://imgur.com/P3ONvQV
Entered styx with 0 dd. Existed styx with 1 dd purchased and a bit more than 200 health.
It appears iframe and dodge saved me.
And I accidentally kept that 50% lasting consequences from The Guanyu run last run, and it hurts the hourglass regen
Vengefull mood is obtained on chamber 7, and it pseudo-carried the chambers since I can perma stun them
round summit
Yeah, I can usually get him down to half health, but I usually get overwhelmed when he's attacking and invoking a god, and I need to circle around him to hit him around his shield, and I end up just kind of running into things and dieing.
@steel sable I normally keep dashing until the god fades away, then I dash to go at his back and stab him as much as I can, and since normally I have a Dionysus boon it's enough to get him ded
I'm a fan of Stubborn Defiance because I hate to lose one of my DDs early on and then feel like I've already wrecked my chances but have to keep playing.
@tepid nymph That's why I always spare 200 Obol, that Styx drink saved me so many times rn
How many of you use Meg's keepsake? If you get Positive Outlook, does it make it more viable, or you think it's bad/good anyway?
sullen valley
...Oooooh, you know what would be a cool Keepsake from Hades? Something that is like one of the Olympians' Keepsakes (save for Hermes) that, for one time only, Zagreus is granted a pity boon from Hades, a choice of random 3 that all somehow function like Hades' various attacks.
It only works once, is affected by rarity-altering boons and items, along with a single legendary.
round summit
it should work like a Chaos boon, but both effects
weak rivet
Hades cast that shoots boiling blood up to obscene levels but deals no damage
last nacelle
Skull Shot. Cast stones release a damaging shockwave when returned.
dusk moss
Haha, so I'm a weirdo (re: feedback) and I have to just give up this winstreak so I can try hard stuff before I get bored 😛
kind fiber
How do I progress Artemis, Aphro and Zeus?
clear dome
spam nectar and wait for the required lines'
unkempt pagoda
assuming maxed nectar:
with artemis, you only have to keep triggering her dialogue normally and you'll eventually get there
zeus is a little trickier, you have to also get duo boon dialogue with him and demeter (and maybe artemis?). there's different duo convos depending on which god is providing the duo boon in question, so to be safe try to see both
i'm not entirely sure of the prerequisites for aphrodite, but if i had to guess, it probably has something to do with the potential relationships with ||than, meg, and dusa||. i already had all of these other questlines done, and already saw aphrodite's lines about them, so aphrodite unlocked her hearts quickly for me
turbid needle
Nice!
fallow niche
so hard to play when I'm coughing so much but I did it
eguh
time to take a break 😂
unkempt pagoda
you could do 4 runs in the time i did my fastest run
fallow niche
I mean a non-routed normal run in under 20 minutes is still good
I'd say that you become truly "fast" when you can consistently do under 20 minute runs, most of the time
this time is just because of our work on this nonsense
here it is
sloppy but hey I'll take it
tepid nymph
Having a great time with Hera's bow over here. Finally a way to one-shot enemies that have armor! And - with Art boon where the cast seeks foes - having my arrow kill one enemy and then the green arrow zoom out of there to another enemy is really cool.
I love having a way to power up individual shots with the bow so it doesn't get tedious
fallow niche
Hera bow is really fun
shadow oriole
its great. try it with trippy shot and all the duo boons it
tepid nymph
Glory to Artemis
https://i.imgur.com/pt2ei8N.png
It was pretty funny cause I did a trial between Poseidon and Art and the boon from Artemis replaced the one I had just gotten from Poseidon. I was like yeah, no hard feelings, you know you're my real homie.
earnest ravine
THWACK
turbid needle
Thanks Onyx!
@fallow niche that speedrun of 4:58 was truly something!
But is there any bug involved there? Apart from having many shop-chamber rooms by luck possibly skipping some encounters and the Artemis crit boons
fallow niche
There is no luck in that run until Styx
I manipulated the RNG to give me a predetermined path
Mind you, that's not easy to do and I've been practicing for a very long time, but its better than some game breaking bug
Since I get to play the game and all haha
turbid needle
Practicing to master speed-running with the Adamant Rail?
fallow niche
Yeah
So you may see me cast before entering rooms there
That's me increasing the RNG counter to a number that I want to get a specific next chamber
turbid needle
LOOL I don't get why the random casts before entering rooms, that was so funny!
fallow niche
Mind you I cannot see the number in-game but I've run it enough that I got a feel for what it should be haha
shadow oriole
you didnt even use the skip on hydra that run
shadow oriole
aww that sucks
fallow niche
Before if you dealt enough damage in the first 2 seconds of the hydra fight you could instantly kill it
No phases
It would just die
turbid needle
First 2 seconds before triggering the Hydra's Impervious phases, eh?
fallow niche
The impervious shields only could go up after 2 seconds into the fight
So if you killed it before then, they would never go up
And the fight would be over
Now it would also spawn ALL of the extra heads at once once it died, from both phases, but the in-game timer would stop and that was the benefit
turbid needle
Ah, so you can basically ignore hitting the extra heads and just go for the exit?
fallow niche
No, you had to kill them too
The timer just stopped so you could take your time if you wanted
fallow niche
The fastest I've seen the hydra fight be done in its full entirety, no skip, was 23 seconds
Uh I think its like a thousand?
If I were to count the speedruns
turbid needle
Wow, 1,000 escapes !?!?
turbid needle
Lord Hades must be really getting a feeling about Zagreus escaping 1,000 times!
fallow niche
lmao
turbid needle
"You're bound to my domain"
Zagreus: nope
fallow niche
Mind you I restart the save file so they're not actually counted, I think I've done like 300-400 ones that are recorded however
turbid needle
You spent that much time escaping, I can actually ask for your thoughts in your experiences!
even though my escape attempts was 99
turbid needle
Oh wait nevermind, it's 100 escapes!
fallow niche
I also mostly play on 32 heat so my experience may be a bit skewed
turbid needle
Right now, the next major update is estimated to be on June
Which actually impacted my choices of how I do my subsequent escape attempts
fallow niche
Yeah, its a very long break
Between updates
But these are strange times so it makes sense
turbid needle
Right now...
Every escape attempt, I make sure to buy the Titan's Blood or the Diamond inside the Temple of Styx.
fallow niche
That's a decent idea to start with
turbid needle
I'd wanna stock up loads of Darkness, Ambrosia, nectar, Titan's Blood and Diamond so I can prepare for the next major update
and every time inside the house
I'd look for the current special with the broker to see if I can get either Ambrosia, titan's blood or diamond with a special price
fallow niche
I don't think there is going to be a whole lot added next update that'll use all those, you should work towards unlocking everything you don't have now if you aren't already
And yeah the broker has some good specials sometimes
turbid needle
Yeah @fallow niche , I believe I unlocked everything.
Administrative chamber, check.
fallow niche
Oh nice
turbid needle
Malphite weapon, check.
turbid needle
Reuniting Nyx and Chaos, check.
Reuniting Orpheus and Eurydice, check.
Entire mirror not yet. Full for the purple, not yet for the yellow
the yellow pair I mean
fallow niche
I don't think I had anywhere near enough darkness by my 100th run for all 10 Fated Authorities
Unless they changed something about darkness in the last update
turbid needle
My total darkness as per the 100th run is 35,372
fallow niche
Ah yeah
turbid needle
Me in styx:
Changes all rewards to charon's obol so I can buy Titan's blood and Diamond
HAHAHA economical run I must say
fallow niche
Fated Authority is absurdly powerful so still work on that
turbid needle
I mean, I don't mind completing runs a little slower just to get that big items everytime
It's like making every run count with the best
fallow niche
I like going fast so I just do runs haha, but I get ya yeah
turbid needle
My average time to complete a run was normally 25 minutes
If its the "economical" run I'm speaking
but if I want to put those bounties in styx out of the equation
it will be under 20 minutes
fallow niche
Yeah that's a very good speed
turbid needle
and my fastest ever run completed is shockingly, with the Stygian Blade
I'd had expected I'd go fastest with the Adamant Rail, but nope. 5 minutes slower
fallow niche
Which aspect?
turbid needle
Stygian Blade- Aspect of Arthur
fallow niche
Huh, arthur is a bit slow but it does chunk
turbid needle
It's raw DPS is so powerful, like 3 times more than Adamant rail
although yes its slower
fallow niche
Slowest weapon by far is bow
turbid needle
which led me to completing the fastest run by... 16 minutes 1 second
Using Artemis boon on attack
For Adamant Rail I usually rely artemis boons on special, not on attack
because I feel the attack damage is too low
compared to firing 3 bullet specials with daedelus hammer
then for attack I choose Ares- Inflict doom haha
fallow niche
Whatever works man
I usually try to get priv status on my casual runs unless its a weapon that doesn't apply it easily
turbid needle
Anyway, I kinda wished something would be added in Hades
In terms of voice lines
- Voice lines of Theseus, Zagreus and Minatour (in the subsequent encounter) after the last encounter in which they were both killed in under 1 minute
then it'd look realistic that these guys know they can get wrecked that fast
What do you think?
turbid needle
Also, I'd love another:
- Voice lines of Lord Hades and Zagreus knowing Lord Hades didn't even get 1 hit on Zagreus on the last encounter.
not necessarily need to be fast
fallow niche
Our times for each boss are 10 secs for first one, 23 secs for second, ~15 secs for third, and 30 secs for final
So we'd hear them every time
lmao
turbid needle
One run, I managed to kill Lord Hades. It was very slow battle, but Zagreus was not hit even once. Still at full health
I'm surprised his dad doesn't acknowledge that HAHA!
Wait, has anyone ever defeated Lord Hades before without being hit at all?
fallow niche
Yeah no hit should be acknowledged, that would be good
And yeah
I have a bunch
Esp on ranged weapons
Its not too hard on bow
many cast builds also have that luxury
dense locust
I love how this game allows for people to set their own goals to accomplish, giving an enormous amount of replayability
turbid needle
@fallow niche 2 minutes for me for final boss, 1 min for each phase
counting his three impervious shields
dense locust
Of course any game could allow for people to set their own goals, but this one feels way more satisfying
turbid needle
Hello @dense locust ! My name is sean893, nice to meet you!
dense locust
I've been looking for you! Finally after 892 other seans, we meet
turbid needle
There's 892 other seans?!?
dense locust
I guess if the first sean was just sean and the second was sean1, you'd be the 894th
No i was just making a very bad joke
shadow oriole
well the real secret is that hey arent numbered sequentially so hes actually the 7th
dense locust
The real secret is the system in how they number themselves
@fallow niche Where do you get your seeds for speed runs?
I might dip into speed runs one of these days because I'm running out of personal goals
turbid needle
@dense locust it's a great joke! At least I can understand it!
fallow niche
@dense locust We just search for them manually
But when we do find a good one we post it in our discords
dense locust
Like just google hades speed run seeds?
fallow niche
Err, no
I don't think they're posted anywhere you'd find on google
By "seed" we really mean save file
dense locust
Also can you use just one of the 3 slots for speed runs and keep the other two for different files?
fallow niche
yeah
here's our main discord
I have my entire route for the seed in there
in #speedtech
current WR is 4:25
dense locust
Nice thanks
fallow niche
np
dense locust
Do you know anything about how people create seeds for speed runs?
fallow niche
We just start a new run and see how the first ~3-4 chambers look
dense locust
like methodology behind finding seeds and then also how to post a save file
fallow niche
I've gone through dozens of new runs to find a good "seed"
dense locust
I imagine there is a WR for each weapon
fallow niche
What's currently on the leaderboard there is, but not for all of them yet I don't think
I intend to compete for the few that aren't atm
Oh, only rail is on the board atm
So yeah you can post any time with any other weapon and get the record for that
dense locust
Last question, is there software to help log a given run to find a good seed, like keepsake and door choice
So that I dont have to manually write everything fdown
fallow niche
No, we have one modder and Kossetsu is busy being a weab 
Your save files are in your documents
save games folder or something
dense locust
But as far as logging a seed, I should keep pen and paper at hand to quickly note which door i took in which chamber
fallow niche
Yeah that's what I do
Some people type it in a notepad
Tho our current seed is probably as good as its going to get for rail atm
dense locust
Yeah i've watched a couple of those, it's hard to imagine getting a better seed
sullen valley
So I have Ice Wine, and Demeter Special
dense locust
considering how many factors have to line up in the first place
turbid needle
Shot.
unkempt pagoda
3
turbid needle
I assumed they weren't speedrunning.
fallow niche
my brain was like 
sullen valley
You sure?
I could also get more Demeter-boosted-Demeter Aspect. On the other hand, Ice Wine could deal a good amount of damage...
unkempt pagoda
ice wine wins runs by itself
unkempt pagoda
any chance to boost the dps on that just increases your demolishing of the underworld
sullen valley
First time getting it, it's real good.
dense locust
Honestly you'll probably be fine with any of them
sullen valley
I know I'm just angery I have so many good options
unkempt pagoda
if you can, find a +1 cast chaos later, or try to buy a +1 cast item before the final boss in styx
with stygian soul, the dps goes crazy
dense locust
keep in mind the caustic defiance can be refilled
im just kidding, it sounds like you could probably win already without any of them
i mean im not kidding about it being able to be refilled
sullen valley
Gets presented with Shrouded Grasp
shadow oriole
yeah reroll for something that will make the run hard
dense locust
but i'm just trying to make you doubt the other decision
sullen valley
well ok then I wonder which one I'm getting
dense locust
Bobert is right, you've made this too easy on yourself
where's the potential for growth
Reroll into 80% more foes for 100% more darkness, for 5 rounds
shadow oriole
or more trap damage and then dont avoid traps
dense locust
Yeah just try and win the next chamber while standing on a trap the whole time
turbid needle
Quick Spin spawn, Divine Strike, get another Artemis core boon so you get Deadly Reversal, ????, profit.
shadow oriole
get arti on special as well
stiff flume
aight ill try that. hope i get the quick spin hammer 😔
dense locust
I usually go artemis special, athena dash, athena or poseidon call, cast is whatever but aphrodite is good, aphrodite attack, deadly reversal and heart rend duos, as much survivability as you can. Charged skewer hammer and then maybe quick spin or breaching skewer
shadow oriole
or serated edge, doom on special, divine strike, then grab the duo for crazy dash strikes
clear dome
guan yu lvl 1 is literal trash
clear dome
somehow i managed heat 3 with it
shadow oriole
I mean I still dont like it fully upgraded. just get cursed slash on sword if you want low health stuff
stiff flume
i can still heal off my spin even with lasting consequences on 100& right?
dense locust
But at 32, heat choice and keepsake order matters a lot as well
yeah
but it's not good to rely on
stiff flume
oh
dense locust
at least in my experience
turbid needle
No, you want that spin heal on 100% LC.
dense locust
see schpoon and I have different playstyles but they are both equally valid
dense locust
One mistep trying to heal and you take like 10 blades worth of healing in damage
That's good
I personally would take benefits package to zero
clear dome
benefit package is fun, why wouldnt you take it
dense locust
Fun is relative
shadow oriole
yeah when enemies spawn more enemies it lets you heal more
turbid needle
Extreme Measures is fun, Benefits Package is 10 pounds of TNT in a 2 pound box.
turbid needle
Nah, it's good at 2 and 3.
turbid needle
It's just probably top 3 hardest Pact option.
dense locust
that aren't super solid
Yeah I was exaggerating, but it is an early run killer. Maybe that's a good thing in the long run because it saves you time
If you can't handle 2 in benefits early on, you're probably on a losing run
Im gonna do a 32 guan yu right now just for fun
covert tide
Finally got 32 heat fists on hellmode
shadow oriole
the only problem I have with benefits is when enemies get tons of health in Tartarus so it takes minutes to clear the room
dense locust
A lot of my 32s end up being dumb
dense locust
glass cannon
covert tide
Deflect dash
turbid needle
Demeter?
dense locust
not even glass cannon
covert tide
Crit after deflect
dense locust
just cannon
dense locust
haha waited
covert tide
Wws were hitting for 20
dense locust
Yeah true
covert tide
Does the rarity of the weak on attack affect it? Because Eurydice upgraded it to heroic
covert tide
So I just had 3 dds and a pile of health
And killed him before he killed me
I didn’t even try to dodge
shadow oriole
weak is always the same. there is a boon to upgrade it though
dense locust
Any call?
covert tide
No call
dense locust
dang what max hp?
covert tide
295
dense locust
I really gotta use weak more....
covert tide
Just the little icons, but I could screenshot the actual mirror and pact if you want
dense locust
The icons are fine
I had a similarly easy run last night with my signature athena fists last night. One of my least stressful runs at high heat
stiff flume
god dude
dense locust
so fun when thins align
stiff flume
im so unlucky again
i have a dash boon by athena and somethign useless by poseidon
and im at meg
in a 32 run
😒
this shits already over
dense locust
just die and go again
stiff flume
why do i need 500000 darkness in the first zone
dense locust
Hey I've got less than 25k in the mirror
covert tide
dense locust
But at 32 heat, rng becomes a lot bigger of a factor
Ahhhh, that's what I thought, hard labor at 20%
because 20 damage spin hits is insane
dense locust
Maybe I should try that, I really just dislike tight deadline that I almost never use it
oh for sure
covert tide
I only ever play with deadline
if I can't do it fast enough it's not a build I want to be playing anyway lol
dense locust
That's what I love, your heat build can be almost as impactful as your boons
shadow oriole
yeah deadline sucks. it makes Elysium so much less fun
dense locust
See I'm the opposite, I can win with builds but I have to slow play them
covert tide
yeah that's how my husband plays
dense locust
I suppose it'd be a good way to branch out
covert tide
the other day he came up to me and he was like "I just won in 26 minutes!!" and I was like wow that's fast... for you
lol
covert tide
his 32 heat run with the bow took almost an hour
covert tide
yeah
dense locust
we are the same
dense locust
ohlol
covert tide
this is why I get more than one turn at a time lol
dense locust
Pauses.... WHICH BOON SHOULD I GET!!??
Yeah i'm actually the same way
Ill pause and look up the wiki
make sure im doing everything ideally
covert tide
I only ever look at the wiki to remind myself of the new artemis prereqs lol
dense locust
maybe ask a question on this discord
they aren't even up to date last I checked
unless they were edited
You need both tier 2s for the legendary now right?
covert tide
it's so weird how runs at this high heat are either like... man somehow even tartarus feels impossible
or that was easy, I just facerolled hades
dense locust
It's like I said, RNG becomes a way bigger factor. At lower heats, even 20 and below, they give you a lot of tools to manipulate rng or the enemies aren't strong enough yet that you need ideal builds
covert tide
getting athena dash as my first boon I think was the biggest factor
and then aphrodite attack
I was reaaally hoping for aphrodite legendary
but it wasn't in the cards
covert tide
brilliant riposte
I remember because it took me forever to get athena's legendary because I didn't like brilliant riposte and never took it and didn't realize it was a prereq
dense locust
Exactly, I really never want it so I find it hard to justify taking it
covert tide
which is nice with 2x benefits package on
because you really don't want high damage witches with seeking missiles
with 2x forced overtime
dense locust
eew god
covert tide
lol
dense locust
Even with athena dash
covert tide
I wonder if the missiles seek them back if you deflect them
covert tide
I started with acorn
normally I do coinpurse but I've been getting annoyed at the fury sisters
so I just didn't want to have to worry about it
I also took off underworld customs because I just hate how it feels
even though I know it's probably better than some other 2 ticks of heat I take
I just do NOT like being forced to sell boons
maybe because the runs I have the most fun in are the ones where I get lots of duos and legendaries, and selling boons sometimes means a run that could be like that gets derailed
dense locust
yeah underworld customs can be a huge pain, but it can also be free heat with luck and a fated persuasion or two
I've had a number of runs where I got 2 or 3 essential boons to the build I wanted, only to have to sell one
covert tide
I don't like having limited choices or having to sell boons
really just I like having all the boons
all the time
dense locust
@stiff flume oof use that fated persuasion
Limited choices is even worse
but if you had it on and done the seed enough times, you start to understand what you'll get and it can work
covert tide
I don't mess around with seeds and whatever
dense locust
But yeah I tend to stay away from both of those for as long as possible
dense locust
Well mostly I just mean that if you choose give up instead of letting yourself die
I'm not paying super close attention otherwise
covert tide
giving up means you run with the same seed again?
dense locust
yeah
covert tide
ahh
stiff flume
wait really
dense locust
If you ever do a run and get a hammer in the first room but none of the hammers you want for that weapon, it's a good idea to just give up and choose a different weapon to see what it gives you
Yeah and the boon types even carry over to different gods
So if you force artemis room one and get common attack, epic special, rare cast, and then you choose athena keep sake instead, you'll get common attack, epic special, and rare cast
im not sure what happens if you choose a keepsake that doesnt force a god's boon; I think it defaults to the choice you'd have without a god's keepsake
try it out, it's only the first room
Also I think altering heats might affect it
stiff flume
god i think if i can get my DD restored in elysium this run is still salvagable
LOL nevermind dead
😂
stiff flume
haha
dense locust
Yeah the number of times that i've said that...
But if it comes true, it's usually true
stiff flume
minotaur clipped me with his big spin
covert tide
I’m actually shocked there isn’t a dialogue line about it lol
stiff flume
damn that thing hurts
dense locust
Other times i'm at 4 hp, I get my dds restored, and then Theseus kills me 3 times
covert tide
He says exactly what I’m thinking often enough
stiff flume
know whats weird, i find the buffed version of zone 3 boss easier than the normal one 😂
dense locust
I bet the devs play tested and just added the in lines they were thinking themselves
covert tide
My favorite is “fffffffuuuu—!”
Because it’s always the same as what I just said out loud lol
stiff flume
the dude just riding round and round throwing stuff is less annoying than him chucking spears
covert tide
I bet they just recorded Darren playing it lol
dense locust
Now that I disagree with @stiff flume, although I've gotten a lot better at dodging everything they throw at me
Because if you get hit by a bomb that bounced off a wall and no longer has a aoe indicator
it hurts a lot
stiff flume
sometimes i think im right behind a pillar but then the spear still hits me, or i misstime the dodge
dense locust
Athena dodge helps a LOT in either fight
covert tide
SO many times I grab a Daedalus and I’m like “there it is!” basically in unison with zag
dense locust
er dash
It's funny going from full forced over time to none, or vise versa because I screw up the timing on when to dash to deflect the spear
stiff flume
forced overtime is my biggest killer i think, im not running it anymore
its so easy to die with it on
the swordmen in elysium are so quick already, also some boss attacks
covert tide
My relationship with forced overtime is very on and off lol
I got to a level of heat where having the second rank of FO on was harder than taking 3 points elsewhere... and then somehow having even more heat meant it was easier to take 3 points out of other things and put them back into FO...
And back and forth
At 32 I have both ranks though
So it’s probably worth getting used to it all along the way
dense locust
That describes me at anything 32 heat and higher with any weapons and aspect
Ill have full benefits package and the 4th chamber in I rage quit because it's just ridiculous
and then ill swap things around, 3rd chamber in, accidentally dash onto two spike traps and then rage quit and remove that heat
lament coral
that's me in Tartarus
I'd take Erebus and accidentally dash into a projectile, instant abandon
dense locust
Or be offered the ideal boon for my weapon at epic level, except that I have the limited choice heat on...
more so for hammers
My happy medium is 1 level benefits package, 2 FO
lament coral
how does LC work with FP?
lament coral
so you could get your desired boon unblocked if you reroll
dense locust
Yeah its happened more than once for me before
lament coral
🍓 nice
dense locust
other times they just give you the same choices
But its one of the reasons I pretty much exclusively roll with fated persuasions
and then just prioritize keys
lament coral
they fixed that in the recent patch
you're guaranteed at least 1 new option each reroll
dense locust
But that new option can be crossed out
lament coral
oh right, LC
dense locust
Its funny that common sure footing feels 10x better to me than epic phalanx shot
clear dome
casts are usually trash annyways
shadow oriole
Poseidon cast is fire, trippy shot is one of the best boons, if you can get the artemis/demiter duo boon then crystal beam is amazing, same with blade rift and its duo boon
blizzard shot demolishes bosses
shadow oriole
Poseidon sword lets you clear rooms super fast with artemis cast as well
usually I just use the cast for extra damage, but if you can get some of the stuff that makes them really good then you can watch stuff die really fast. they also scale really well with poms
if you see trippy shot it takes a bit to get the aiming down but it kills things super fast, the duo boons with zeus or dem make it do crazy damage as well. on top of all that it has some pretty high damage reduction
dense locust
And like all casts, giving it a few poms helps it a lot
turbid needle
You do need to get another boon for the damage reduction.
shadow oriole
yeah I should have mentioned that, but the cloud does stagger enemies so you can just keep hitting them at take like 0 damage in a lot of rooms
turbid needle
Doesn't stagger armored enemies, and certain enemies can attack between recovering from the Fog stagger and it triggering again, especially with Forced Overtime.
shadow oriole
true, but its amazing if you can stay outside of there range
dense locust
alright alright, 35 heat going into styx with 171/274 and 3 dds
shadow oriole
nice
dense locust
Eris rail, rocket bomb and triple bomb hammers, epic quick recovery: https://imgur.com/hvvbwdT
Im pretty scared about styx tbh, if I can make it through without too much damage, I'm pretty okay with Hades. Would like an athena or poseidon call. If I get heart rend, I'm honestly a little scared to dash in to use it with only 2 dashes
Dash in to apply weak that is
got em
dense locust
Eris Rail, Triple Bomb Rocket Bomb hammers, relevant boons not shown include aphro cast and epic quick recovery for damage reduction, 2 athena dashes, epic storm lightning and epic swift flourish: https://imgur.com/vs2kfMC
dense locust
The splitting bolt barely had any impact because I got it pretty much just rocketed hades and ran away
dense locust
Starting keepsake was zeus, next was athena, but it also does require quite a bit of rng
Wait actually I think the second was artemis
zeus attack and artemis special was two I wanted the most. I got super lucky starting with rocket bomb in room 1 and then getting triple bomb in elysium
And then I got 64 health and that 80% special damage from chaos, again very lucky (although fated persuasions help a TON), and I really wanted more than 2 dashes from hermes but I settled with quick recovery and the +30% to special speed.
I would have given a DD for heart rend instead of splitting bolt after I got empty inside
honestly, styx treated me very poorly
stiff flume
i find styx very hard with rail
since your attack doesnt stun enemies
and poison arrows are so damn fast
dense locust
it did give me splitting bolt but cost me a dd in the process, and the rest of the options were poms, dio boons, hearts, coins, and the aphrodite boon that i bought for 810 coin that gave me empty inside
yeah I also found myself doing dumb things like dash attack at the enemy because I play a lot of twin fists
and then immediately getting hit for like 60 by the big rats
yeah luckily between zeus attack and my buffed artemis rocket bombs, I could dash around to remove all of the blue shields from the death pact, and then triple bomb fools for huge damage
shadow oriole
whats the base crit chance with out any bonuses?
shadow oriole
damn
dense locust
Ooo boy, demeter aspect mittens with epic artemis special and +55% to special damage in tartarus....
Oh and explosive upper of course
shadow oriole
oof. that just speaks to me
dense locust
Demeter aspect... this is disgusting: https://imgur.com/y0PTkjU
dense locust
fated persuasions and my mirror choices are all that i can say
and also if I get crappy luck, i'm not usually posting that build
so you're only seeing when things go well
I'm critting 600 per special hit. 600 x 12 = 7200 damage...
stiff flume
dense locust
unfortunately i now have to sell my athena dash
so i am actually kinda screwed
because i essentially have 1 boon now
stiff flume
just punch them really hard
dense locust
That's been the strat so far
I've actually only come across 3 total boons that can be sold for underworld customs going into elysium
leaving me with just that epic artemis special. all i need
sorry, it's heroic now after it got upped
stiff flume
heh
dense locust
luckily a charged explosive upper still kills anything so far
naive laurel
Persuation is basically a min/max complex player's dream
shadow oriole
which ability?
naive laurel
U mean persuasion?
shadow oriole
yeah, but now I know what you are talking about
naive laurel
Last mirror choice, allows u to reroll boon offers and well offers and boon sell offers
stiff flume
the
keys giving you a persuasion
can you reroll both with those? chamber rewards and also boon options?
or does that depend on which one you chose in the mirror
or wait
im confused
shadow oriole
you get one or the other
if you have authority on then keys give authority rerolls, if you have persuasion then you get persuasion rerolls
stiff flume
tyty
dense locust
and if you take the heat that disables them, keys don't give you anything
stiff flume
do keys do anything other than reset darkness btw? they seem basically useless now
naive laurel
I still think routine inspection is worth at least 3 heat
stiff flume
outside of the occasional trade
naive laurel
Imagine having a run which almost all boons are common
stiff flume
ye the stuff that affects boons should be worth more
the sacrifice one especially
that thing is brutal
dense locust
After you've unlocked all of the weapons, the key's are only useful for resetting the mirror darkness and trading in
stiff flume
ty
naive laurel
@dense locust do u think taking 300 dmg to 40% overtime hades with minimal defense option is good or bad
Hell mode ofc
Fist, ofc
sullen valley
Hey @dense locust
what am I looking at in your screenshot
and why
What kind of monster are you
dense locust
I ended up losing that because I had 1 boon going into elyisum and patrolcus didnt come through
although the seed is still there for me
sullen valley
Noooooooooooooooo
shadow oriole
you mean you dont want to kill everything with a shoryuken?
dense locust
That's all i did
sullen valley
also expect a ping in spoilers
dense locust
but charging it up was a problem against theseus
@naive laurel what do you mean by 300 dmg
But it was critting for about 700 per demeter hit towards when I chose to give up
naive laurel
Ok I guess Imma repost those links earlier
Pardon my repost
https://imgur.com/P3ONvQV
Entered styx with 0 dd. Existed styx with 1 dd purchased and a bit more than 200 health.
It appears iframe and dodge saved me.
And I accidentally kept that 50% lasting consequences from The Guanyu run last run, and it hurts the hourglass regen
https://imgur.com/fJKeyIJ
Vengefull mood is obtained on chamber 7, and it pseudo-carried the chambers since I can perma stun them.
dense locust
I think ive taken vengeful mood one time in all of my runs on this file
How did vengeful mood help you permastun them?
sullen valley
I think Doom deals staggering damage
proud veldt
i'm ~35 runs in and i've started clearing hades with most of weapons at base difficulty. I saw that you can also unlock aspects for each weapon. Is it recommended to just focus on few and max them out or should you unlock them all to have more variety?
clear dome
gotta get them ALL
naive laurel
@dense locust oh I mean I perma stagger them with fist, and vengeful mood does the dmg I need to kill
Tho I got the zeus fist first then Ares venge later, so It's more towards elites
weak rivet
I wanna do the guan yu quest and take stubborn defiance with it in case i do a dumb move early but its just
Goodn't
dense locust
Guan yu is good but only after being leveled
naive laurel
Quick spin and massive spin on guanyu ia almost an instant win
naive laurel
That moment when ur spin has nore dps than special
naive laurel
Attack
Special attack is still attack, similar to dash-attack, just in special attack's case Not every weapon has one
sullen valley
Ugh, I just had a weird Gauntlets moment
Imagine spamming the spacebar and holding the D key while you're holding attack. Today I learned that the Gauntlets' attack button override the Dash...
slate obsidian
https://imgur.com/a/l88SnsZ
I beat the game for the first time!!
i was so sure that i wouldn't be able to when i got all sorts of jank stuff to get it off the prophecy list x)
tepid ridge
Nice job! Congrats!!
sullen valley
Ooo
slate obsidian
thank you!! I lurked this channel a lot for tips! x)
sullen valley
Ice Wine and Deflect Call sounds like an interesting combo...
Imagine High Tolerance.
slate obsidian
I was honestly going for Athena dash and Aphro call, but they gave me neither what I was going for x3