Never really tried it
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
You're basically throwing Hanzo's tree trunk arrows that pierce enemies as well.
fallow niche
Mind you, you're not healing all the time with that build so its not the easiest to play, but its damage
fallow niche
I do it with high confidence so I start at 25 health 
And I take chaos gates when I can 
olive badge
Can we die from chaos gate
turbid needle
No.
olive badge
Good to know
turbid needle
You cannot enter a gate if you don't have enough HP.
turbid needle
The curse also cannot kill you (you can mash Attack with Maimed as much as you want).
fallow niche
In my last speedrun upload I purposefully died to a trap so I could enter a gate that was in the room
Since my HP was too low
And triggered a DD to heal
olive badge
Does the curse damage invalidate erebus
turbid needle
I think so.
fallow niche
I think so
olive badge
Damn
turbid needle
The last three Erebus gates I've taken I've either been dinged by a final enemy I didn't realize was still kicking or I ended up attacking a Flamewheel at melee range right as it spawned.
olive badge
Flamewheel in Erebus is downright evil
Also it's really funny because I've never entered it with anything but the sword
turbid needle
They used to spawn Super Elite enemies out the gate.
olive badge
With Guan Yu being at max 4 Heat rn for me
And Sword just cleared 10 Heat lol
At first I liked the shield but I can't enjoy anything but Arthur's big bonk damage anymore
fallow niche
Haelian attempting to get a sub 5 right now, hype
@olive badge @azure lake Nvm I was wrong, crits apply at the end of damage calc, but its still +200% total damage
So its like a 3x crit in most other games
Real weird
tepid nymph
How do you guys deal with the shield elysians? It seems so hard to get behind them at the best of times, especially now as I'm trying to get distant shots with the bow.
tepid ridge
You can hit them when they’re winding up an attack and right after attacking they can’t block I don’t think.
The more distant the more difficult. I honestly end up saving them for last most of the time inadvertently because I end up fighting everything else first.
tepid nymph
Thnx!
forest marsh
I finally figured out how to escape from Hades, friends! https://streamable.com/0husip
sly sonnet
I dont know why I found that so funny
forest marsh
turbid needle
The bass track playing at the same time.
It hits the low note in The King and the Bull just as Zag steps onto Lethe.
fallow niche
lmao haelian getting hit by the dropping dude in asphodel when doing blindfolded run 
oh man that's perfect
fallow niche
bruh he's in styx
still ocean
He finally got his upriver ride
woeful mirage
whats everyones fastest clear?
turbid needle
14:17.
unkempt pagoda
around 20 minutes
grand patrol
uhhm i think 35 min or so
woeful mirage
nice
@turbid needle thats sick, my fastest is 16:01.89, i'm going for that 14:16 now 🙂
turbid needle
We had a couple sub-5-minute runs recently, though that's proper speedrunning.
turbid needle
Nah, it's glitchless.
rancid shore
manic ermine
13,23 with fists. Yet to get gun and sword under 14
fallow niche
My fastest atm is 4:52
woeful mirage
im pretty stoked, the speedrun site is new to me, and i'm totally going for top 3 fastest times
any heat of course lol
manic ermine
Hades is the first game that I've had interest in speedrunning
woeful mirage
RE series for me, then i started playing a lot of rogues
fallow niche
Going to have to learn the route then, its incredibly difficult to get sub-6 without using RNG manipulation
woeful mirage
and hades has been a ridiculously good time
fallow niche
Not impossible by any means, but really, really hard
manic ermine
Im good fighting my own times
fallow niche
And yeah Hades is really fun to speedrun
woeful mirage
my fastest in game time is 16:01, the 5th fastest submision on the site had 17:43
as in game time
fallow niche
If you're getting 20 minutes or less regularly when you play then you're pretty fast already
turbid needle
You're reading it the wrong way.
fallow niche
Going lower requires using a busted build
woeful mirage
i think im probably at the 6-7 minute actual play time
fallow niche
@woeful mirage Uh the 5th fastest time is 9:17
woeful mirage
@fallow niche yeah i used the wrong words
fallow niche
If you're getting sub-20 IGT regularly then going down to 10 isn't hard when you learn how to optimize your time in each room
So yeah go for it!
fallow niche
IGT is what the leaderboard is sorted by
olive badge
That's kinda nice
fallow niche
Pausing has no impact on your standing
olive badge
My fastest time was a 1 heat Adamant Rail tho
fallow niche
You could have a 50 minute RTA and still be 1st
woeful mirage
i don't think ive gone over 20 minutes since my second completion
fallow niche
Any heat%, 32 heat%, fresh file% are the categories @olive badge
olive badge
Oh
woeful mirage
and joinging the discord group, but i couldnt find screenshots in steam with faster times than mine, and it turns out there are lol
woeful mirage
yeah that's insance
fallow niche
The hardest record to beat atm is the 32 heat one set by Touch2Much, he's a monster
fallow niche
Its far more powerful in seeded runs when you can guarantee boons
olive badge
It was 15:47
fallow niche
But its still good otherwise
woeful mirage
what is non seeded
fallow niche
There is no way to verify a non-seeded run @woeful mirage
woeful mirage
ah\
fallow niche
You could have been practicing the seed you record your run on as many times as you like off-camera
olive badge
Except when you stream a few runs in a row I guess
fallow niche
So we just don't deal with that headache and make it all under the same category
When 1.0 releases we'll think of a way to change that though
woeful mirage
a lot of my completions were streamed to my facebook
fallow niche
Probably use a mod that guarantees a random seed
olive badge
Basically when you give up a run
The RNG isn't changed
So you can map out which reward is where
Then find the best route
woeful mirage
ahh
people are lame
loil
i just run to what i need
i dont even read the buffs
olive badge
I accidently found out about it after giving up a run because I brought the wrong keepsake
manic ermine
Zagreus should be able to contact the fates and ask for a seed
woeful mirage
if i dont have it in slot, or it's purple or better
olive badge
Didn't bother to even reset
But then realize I can't use Skelly Tooth in the final fight
So I gave up
And got the same stuff again
woeful mirage
dang
olive badge
That was the only "seeded" run I've ever did
fallow niche
@woeful mirage Every time you start a new run after you've won or died you get a new seed
Whenever you pause and click "give up" you restart on the same seed
woeful mirage
good to know
fallow niche
The very first room is exactly the same but after that its mostly random unless you do some manipulation
Which requires precise timing
manic ermine
Breaking stuff, bloodstone count all effect future rooms
woeful mirage
im a fan of chaos gates and shops lol thats my route on every run
timid pawn
shield' charged shot doesn't work with minotaur rush?
i was hoping for a 400% modifier to the projectile
olive badge
https://i.imgur.com/y6styVU.png Finally done with 11 heat damn
and sub 17 mins too
Artemis + Aphrodite is actually pretty good
stiff flume
interesting heat combo
im too scared to go 7 min
especially satyr tunnels cna screw you over
or just having bad luck with boons
turbid needle
Satyr tunnels are way less likely to gank you than Elysium.
olive badge
tbh I don't know which heat to choose
aside from the timer heat since I always get less than 7 mins anw
and I never tried benefit package before
that's actually the first time
olive badge
running 7 mins mean you don't get to stop around for trove most of the time tbh
also once you have a companion the sub boss actually becomes beneficial since you can clear it in 3s or less lmao
stiff flume
guess ill try a 7 min run 🤔 dont have to take bonus HP on enemies then, makes thinsg a bit faster
and also no 20% mroe enemies
olive badge
yeah just take the more damage one
the trap damage one is practically free
just don't get hit by elysium arrow
I can afford that due to Arthur beefing me up
kind cloud
you're welcome @stiff flume. happy to help.
turbid needle
No.
olive badge
I know it can crit but it seems to be static 25 whatever I do
damn
it should scale imo
fallow niche
The shockwave from sword should scale, but it doesn't
It should also proc Zeus bolts
But we're not allowed to have nice things
fallow niche
It only crits off of Pressure Points or her Mark
Because those make any kind of damage crit
olive badge
yeah apparently Ares "deals 10% more damage" and Family Favorite doesn't affect it at all too
which is kind of a bummer
fallow niche
Woah, those don't either? OOF
olive badge
well at least Ares did specify Attack, Special and Cast
but Family Favorite or the one from Aphrodite where it says deals more damage to weak enemies don't either
fallow niche
Family favorite doesn't work then that's a real big oof since that means priv status doesn't either
olive badge
it scales off absolutely nothing but Mark
fallow niche
And pressure points, but yeah
Its a really meh hammer
Only real good hammer on sword is Double Edge, and its really good
olive badge
I still think Armor damage is good too
olive badge
save me a lot of time on Hydra
fallow niche
Bosses don't have armor
olive badge
and the butterfly ball
mostly QOL to deal with elysium tbh
since Arthur already had tons of damage
fallow niche
its not a bad hammer, its just like 'this is a hammer upgrade?' sort of thing
kind cloud
"Sword dash attacks are great outside of Excalibur"
wut, really?
that said, i can't actually tell if excalibur has a dash attack
fallow niche
All other weapons have so many transformative hammers that really change how the weapon is played
fallow niche
Sword is just... a bunch of niche DPS increases
olive badge
they also have armor break hammer too
but well
the reason no one pick those because hammers on other stuff actually is worth to pick
unlike sword
where generic stats increase is just... good
because you have no better options
I still think it's a nice thing to have on Excalibur because I can break armor with the first 2 hit
then murder them on the 3rd hit
that was the idea
fallow niche
At least I have my baby poseidon sword who doesn't need a single bad sword hammer 😘 
fallow niche
Its okay, the 50% damage bonus is the real kicker
olive badge
and I am too used to Stygian Soul to use Poseidon lol
fallow niche
I don't like Stygian Soul at all, call me a cast boomer
But I really like having all those casts, real DPS 👌
olive badge
I like Stygian Soul because Blade Rift duration is longer than the CD
plus I always bring Charon skull when doing cast build
for those +1 from well
cuz damn, having no pick up and multiple ammos really makes it amazing
sullen valley
I always argue that armor break is always useful
Almost half of your enemies, if not half, has armor of some sort. And there are also some minibosses you would like to take less time with.
last nacelle
Put two points in benefits package and you can take armor break without thinking 100% of the time. Except for Hide Breaker, it sucks.
kind cloud
agree, i don't like stygian soul
/shrug
sullen valley
Hide Breaker should deal damage to normal HP...
And another thing, even when it comes to bosses, the final boss summons enemies with primarily shield health.
clear dome
hide breaker is good what are you sayin?
sullen valley
Not only shield health, but almost exclusively Shield HP. You shred that armor and they can get shredded by anything else easily.
It is good, but it also feel like it could do more...
last nacelle
I think that Hide Breaker should get rid of the damage gating on armored enemies.
As in, damage spills over into health when you overkill the armor.
clear dome
yea it should
sullen valley
So uh, armor breaker damage is always welcome in my books. Useful against 50% of your foes. And useful against the final boss foes.
Not only would it be nice to kill Armored Spreaders faster, but also to risk less damage from nuisance Redacted Brightswords
Especially if you’re afflicted with boiling blood, they and a couple of other enemies can be quite annoying to deal with while Hades is also hounding you.
stiff flume
what do you folks build with arthur? im getting to 10 heat and hards become kinda hard
crit and tank stuff?
last nacelle
Damage reduction means that you benefit from revenge counters more.
And also Quick Recovery.
sullen valley
It’s best if you don’t, yeah
Unless you can take it, like, 1-3 damage
Just don’t make it a habit is all
rancid shore
There should be an option for mouse and keyboard to let dash head toward the cursor and not the direction facing
@olive badge This exists already. It's under the options for controls
olive badge
I see
what do you folks build with arthur? im getting to 10 heat and hards become kinda hard
@stiff flume
I often build Aphro Artemis, to get Heart Rend and Weak dmg reduction REALLY helps
Usually arte attack and aphro special
Slot in Athena dash and that one boon that gives you crit chance once you deflect and it's golden
stiff flume
i see, ty~ got a run going right now, got the artemis attack
ill try to get aphrodite next
olive badge
If you can get the Demeter boon where if you have no cast you got dmg reduc and does more damage
olive badge
naive laurel
The only thing I hate about apho's boon kit is the cast.
Imagine If it's even a cirular aoe, it's better, but nope it's a rectangle
naive laurel
Tried for 1 room, Got f'd so bad
And I play fps games, So I flick a lot, doesn't even help much
turbid needle
See, I played HLD with that but I play Hades with movement Dash.
fallow niche
I use movement dash so I can attack in different directions from where I dash
opal bay
tfw I couldn't play HLD with keyboard properly but here I am stuck playing with Keyboard in Hades since I didn't think of using controller.
then again I guess I dodged a bullet considering my controller acting up again after I started replaying Rogue Legacy
and it's second time my controller died specifically on that game.
stiff flume
btw why can you select boons when pressing B
dont tell me i can actually only use 5
olive badge
no you select em to highlight
olive badge
at the end of run there will be a highlight screen
the boon you picked will be highlighted
60
bro I am only 42 hours in
how does everyone play so much
opal bay
the highlighting is usually used when sharing a screenshot of the build here to talk about possible effect or how it may work.
lament coral
I bought during winter sale at the end of December, started actively playing in January. Over 200 hours now.
stiff flume
ive bought it 2 weeks ago, its becoiming one of my favorite games. over 60 hours and STILL new story and voicelines
olive badge
I had 32 hours play time since monday last week
like I only played it for a while because I usually play fighting games
kindred bolt
since you guys played so much, does it bother you that all cast builds must go with artemis as either a primary or secondary god?
olive badge
but since I can't do meetup anymore I go to single players now
stiff flume
i dont really play cast builds 🤔 except when i get festive fog early
olive badge
since you guys played so much, does it bother you that all cast builds must go with artemis as either a primary or secondary god?
@kindred bolt not just cast build, Artemis almost always feel like the better one
kindred bolt
artemis has way too many cast boons, its too much
kindred bolt
the one where you throw 2 casts in reduced damage, and the one where you get 3 extra casts and the one with dislodge
olive badge
Athena has plethora of damage reduction
kindred bolt
it just seems like artemis got a monopoly
lament coral
she does
olive badge
just think like each god has a monopoly
lament coral
her cast is also great, and it homes, and pierces shields, and it crits
kindred bolt
my favourite cast in the game no argument, but it would be nice if there is more variety
lament coral
her cast also does more damage than some of the others, like Athena, Zeus, Poseidon
stiff flume
one thing that bothers me is that the second chamber is ALWAYS darkness/gems
i dont get that decision
kindred bolt
he sure does, any poseidon run is a hard run
olive badge
aside from the bonus gold boon
or his call
his call is great to avoid damage
and doesn't take as long as Ares
kindred bolt
i tried him a few times, hes just rough, you really need that boon that gives extra damage vs bosses + you always push enemies away
use a rail and you are pushing enemies out of the way of your special, or sword pushing it away from your combo
olive badge
as someone said before
kindred bolt
it just makes it rough in general
olive badge
in addition to having a very weak additional effect, his numbers are also low
like
artemis attack is 20% or so
lament coral
Zeus cast is the worst
it bounces into walls half the time
can't find the bloody cast
olive badge
and you have debuff like Demeter or Aphro being 70%
and Poseidon just hang around at 40%
lament coral
and it lodges in the last enemy it hits
olive badge
yeah
that's why I almost always prefer Stygian Soul
can't be assed to find where those landed
kindred bolt
i use that on all melee builds, but i usually like 3 on that cast ones
olive badge
if Stygian Soul I like to take the charon pendant thing
because it makes your +1 casts last longer
from Charon Well ofc
and fun fact the CD is shorter than blade rift duration and festive fog duration
turbid needle
Same with Crystal Beam duration.
unkempt pagoda
do people use abyssal blood
turbid needle
Not that I know of, Onyx.
olive badge
yeah the slow is hardly noticable
and the best defense is a good offense
bosses can't kill you if you kill them first
kindred bolt
did they say anything about the june update like what they are doing at all?
lament coral
I use Abyssal on non-attack/special builds
kindred bolt
new aspect, god, the harder version of hades?
turbid needle
Only thing we know for certain at this point is that a few more 4th Aspects will be coming.
lament coral
which is basically only Poseidon sword
lament coral
John Rambo, duh
kindred bolt
i hope the gun is something that got infinite ammo
olive badge
wouldn't that make Zag's aspect obsolete
unkempt pagoda
delta chamber
turbid needle
👏 BRING 👏 ME 👏 BACK 👏
olive badge
maybe a beam cannon
turbid needle
Ugh, Delta Chamber.
kindred bolt
a shotgun!
olive badge
Archimedes aspect
unkempt pagoda
delta chamber was an oof nerf
olive badge
what did delta chamber do
turbid needle
Three-shot burst with a l o n g delay between bursts.
unkempt pagoda
delta chamber is current, it was a nerf to an infinite ammo hammer
opal bay
sniper riffle
turbid needle
Hestia.
unkempt pagoda
it's infinite ammo but you have 3 shots per burst
kindred bolt
it was my favourite hammer upgrade, the infinite ammo
opal bay
just straight up make Zagreus stand on the edge that shows the whole area and have a snipping mini-game at level of hitman
olive badge
if the shield is gonna be Aspect of Steve I will lose it
Some day a guy in blue spandex gonna use this shield
unkempt pagoda
to the above question about june: it's a long update for the sake of revamping the engine, especially for other platform compatibility
opal bay
yeah it's mostly done so the game will be ready as soon as possible for consoles
unkempt pagoda
there's gonna be stuff from the content devs as well, such as new boons, some 4th aspects, and probably just more "minor" content in general
opal bay
no
unkempt pagoda
so it's mostly a behind the scenes update
unkempt pagoda
there's only one more character planned that's not an olympian
kindred bolt
i can live with a few more 4th aspects
i probably will need to farm blood a little for them, i just spent all my blood to upgrade all the other aspects i like
opal bay
and the next update also focuses on items bought in shop and such, so basically see it as Charon focused update.
unkempt pagoda
if it's anything like the last few updates, there's probably gonna be some difficulty changes until people complain and they roll it back
olive badge
so that means Charon sprite?
opal bay
I mean you have all the time in world considering how long till the update drops.
kindred bolt
they really should add a few other options for the 3rd guy who gives you all your death defiance back, he only has increased attack, it would be nice if he has increased special or casts or something like that
opal bay
that's what we speculate with the latest trailer.
lament coral
for real
kindred bolt
if im not an attack build and i have all my death defiance, sometimes i just skip him completely
opal bay
isn't that jerky upgrades all damage if I am not mistaken.
unkempt pagoda
it's only attack
kind cloud
i'm excited to see what charon looks like. nyx was uber-impressive. and i'm not just referring to her attractiveness. i like how she looks (like the adornments).
olive badge
I don't think not getting hurt is something everyone can do
kindred bolt
i would be full and just skip to other room
opal bay
well it looks like Charon will look quite good
if he is the man in hat with a torch in hand.
that's just peak fashion
lament coral
@opal bay oh, that's a brilliant idea, you should suggest it!
Patty's jerky should increase attack, cast, and special by 60%
kind cloud
"Patty's jerky should increase attack, cast, and special by 60%"
OOOOWEEEEEEEEE
I like this idea.
lament coral
they could just lower the total to 50%
opal bay
or 40
lament coral
it's only base damage anyway
kind cloud
in all my runs, i've never taken the jerky from paattttyyy <haelian voice>
opal bay
yeah if we to take out Attack being the only affected it should that at least it isn't that all too powerful, then again Pat straight up give you free DD to any amount.
his items aren't affected by Charon's keepsake, right?
lament coral
nah
opal bay
yeah then I will go ahead and formulate the suggestion
kind cloud
lol, and people didn't like arthur when it first came out, lulz
excalibur tank build FTW!
stiff flume
i still dont understand tank builds like what boons do you go for
can you really afford getting hit
on high heat
kind cloud
tank is basically high dps (so artemis crit leveled up) with lots of health.
so basically what you had but with maybe 50+ more points of health added to your 300
opal bay
tank is basically "build to chill during Hades fight" the build.
kindred bolt
something i always wonder, if i keep lets say artemis keepsake the entire run, will i keep getting artemis rooms? or just 1 use per area?
opal bay
nah
kind cloud
no
opal bay
god's keepsake use up once you get their boon
clear dome
excal is worse tahn zag build, fight me
kind cloud
lol, your hatred of excalibur is funny to me for some reason
kindred bolt
i thought so
kind cloud
like when i think of excalibur haters, i think of you shrewmouse
kindred bolt
i beat 32 heat with exc
clear dome
i dont hate it
kind cloud
or maybe i'm conflating you with someone else
clear dome
i think its overrated
kind cloud
might be the green coloring of your name
kindred bolt
i think its beautiful, i never ever used another sword aspect ever since it came out
i do love greatswords in all games though
and my first 32 heat win is with it as well
kind cloud
my 3k crit swings think you should reconsider your "overrated" talk @clear dome.
clear dome
it is good, but i dont like the slow speed of it
kindred bolt
slow speed, high HIGH damage
proper jolt
It's not that slow
kind cloud
i think people are not fully using excalibur correctly
clear dome
zagreus aspect can have really high dmg
kind cloud
like...you can move in between the attack sequences
kindred bolt
try artemis or aphro attack with it and it will beat things down
kind cloud
that's freaking awesome.
opal bay
I really have love/hate relationship with slow weapons
clear dome
thats what everyone knows
kind cloud
i can never do those dash moves effectively with zag aspect
clear dome
w h a t
opal bay
they are so slow and it's kind of tiring, but if you time them right they are beautiful
clear dome
tbh i used excal to learn dash attacking then switch back to zag
kind cloud
something about excalibur just clicks mentally for me
olive badge
why would you use Zag for dash attack
opal bay
Zag sword really is just to do Poseidon dash only build don't at me.
olive badge
when nemesis is there
kind cloud
see...that's what i mean @clear dome .
clear dome
why use nemesis, when zag is faster
olive badge
because it actually does damage I suppose
clear dome
no, zag athena build is good
olive badge
kind cloud
zag athena build is pretty awesome, not going to argue against that
but excailbur 3k-5k crits doe!
kindred bolt
im thinking of trying another companion other than shady, whats the next best thing?
does medusa work vs bosses?
opal bay
Bouldy Bouldy
kindred bolt
im really cheap on ambriosa, i only have shady maxed
stiff flume
someone give me a bow build, its up next for me with the darkness buff and i hate this thing, feelsl ike no damage
olive badge
and makes Ornstein and Smough a lot easier
stiff flume
do i just go artemis
kind cloud
i like thantos as my favorite but some people don't like the pause before the explosion. i love it. i've gotten used to the timing.
clear dome
shady is the only one that can attack hades, end of discussion
kindred bolt
alta with bow, always use chiron aspect
kind cloud
skelly can be super useful for phase 2 of hades
stiff flume
ye i always go chiron
kindred bolt
and get anything with y like poison or crit that can stack multiple times
clear dome
go zagreus smh
kind cloud
just put him in an inconvenient corner and hades will hone in on him, hades distracted, just keeping wrecking hades.
clear dome
thats usually best aspect
kindred bolt
poison on special, aphro on x is an easy win
kind cloud
skelly is super useful for basses
stiff flume
what aphro boon do i go for?
proper jolt
What's so great About Zag aspect all you get is move speed and Dash distance
kindred bolt
i keep hearing people talk about phase 2 hades but i struggle in phase 1 more
those summons are tough for me!
kind cloud
@proper jolt stack dash attack buffs from chaos, you'll see the difference
proper jolt
I'll give it a try
clear dome
move speed is the main reason zag is good
olive badge
I always cheesed phase 2 hades with a greater call from Artemis or Aphrodite
clear dome
i can run
proper jolt
My favorite sword aspect is posideion
kindred bolt
go aphro on your normal attack and poison on your special if you can
olive badge
instant 50% HP damage
stiff flume
aight, ty
clear dome
i cheese hades with athena call
proper jolt
What's everyone's favorite Bow aspect?
kindred bolt
chiron by far
stiff flume
chiron only one i like tbh
olive badge
I can't use the bow tbh
kindred bolt
i like the cast one too
proper jolt
Yeah Chiron for me
clear dome
zag best bow
kindred bolt
it took me 3 hours to learn it, 3 hours of getting murdered
olive badge
was nice
kind cloud
#TeamBowSucks
kindred bolt
zag is the worst bow, yesterday i struggled so hard to win
stiff flume
😂
clear dome
#teambowrules
proper jolt
Using Demeter's cast on the Hera bow is awful
kind cloud
lol
kindred bolt
i tried it with aphro attack and man it was a tough tough run
stiff flume
how do i get roles on this server btw 🤔
kindred bolt
i just don't like any bow that needs me to do normal charged attacks, i don't like it
kindred bolt
why would you need dio call with hera bow?
olive badge
because normally the lobbing has slow projectile speed
kindred bolt
i havent tried it much tbh, i only just leveled it up
proper jolt
Is Zeus cast good on it?
proper jolt
I honestly think Zeus cast is the worst cast in the game
olive badge
because the bounce makes it flies to god knows where
proper jolt
In terms of raw power Artemis's cast is amazing
clear dome
just get bow with rapid fire
everybody talking cast while im here not understanding a thing
kindred bolt
all my favourite cast builds are artemis cast builds, because she has so many secondary strong cast boons
olive badge
all cast builds are artemis cast builds
kindred bolt
artemis is by far a necessity on every cast build
i think that's wrong, maybe they need to give some of those to hermes or something
and have increased chance to show up when you have level 2 cast or above
or something like that
proper jolt
If Hermes had a cast I wonder what it would do
kindred bolt
i have never tried that
olive badge
basically you throw out a mobile turret
kindred bolt
next time i do a cast build, ill try to do poseidon cast with demeter, i just always ditch poseidon
olive badge
which also damage on contact
kindred bolt
not a god i try to use for anything
proper jolt
I kinda wish Zag aspect on the Sheild had more to it
Zeus aspect can actually do crazy amounts of damage
I've been using it alot more recently
kindred bolt
i use zeus aspect with zeus special, and i wrecked stuff yesterday
i figured i should try the 2 zeus' for once
olive badge
Zeus aspect is where you have to learn to not let it catch you
and just let it follow you around
proper jolt
Is dusa's call even worth using over shady?
I have not used it ever
Is it good for boss's?
lament coral
not really
you can't petrify bosses, and her projectiles can and will miss em
not to mention that you can't use it against Hades
kindred bolt
rank companions for me zeppman, i only used shady
and i feel like using a new one
im not sure which
proper jolt
Can you use Skelly on hade's?
kindred bolt
i think so
stiff flume
ye
olive badge
I only use companion on subbosses to save time darn
Granted, I only use Battie
But she instantly kills the big gorgon head
Plus the slamming boulder thing
fallow niche
You can use Shady and Skelly
Shady doesn't do a lot of damage so its really meh for the damage factor, but it is hilarious
Its best as a way to passively gain a bit of darkness on runs while you upgrade your mirror
fallow niche
Yeah that helps too for newer players
kindred bolt
i have 70 clears and i still have never equipped it to even level a second one
unequipped shady*
fallow niche
I maxed my mirror so I don't really bother with him anymore
Mostly play 32 heat and Skelly is far better there
Him and Meg
olive badge
32 heat is everything right
kindred bolt
even at my 32 heat run, i used shady with half healing
olive badge
Oh I see
kindred bolt
and i was a happy camper
fallow niche
Everything after that is just sort of pointless
Skelly is just far better since you can put bosses in a corner and wail on them for a long time without them attacking you
I also play on 75-100% Lasting Consequences so
The healing really doesn't do anything from bouldy
olive badge
No healing at all huh
fallow niche
Nah don't need it
kindred bolt
im only at heat 10-15 with each weapon for bounties so its still too early for that
i always like to make the game as hard as possible without gimping myself
so i increase damage, more foes, harder bosses, harder elites, harder mini bosses
but i keep my full power to myself
olive badge
Most of the time it's charon well that do sustain for me
Well I just take whatever that's usually not a downside for me
For example
fallow niche
I push for fast times so I don't take anything that makes fights longer besides EM3 (unavoidable since its 9 heat)
olive badge
Since I always clear a biome in less than 6 minutes I've always taken Tight Deadline
fallow niche
Tight deadline makes you play better imho
olive badge
Extremely
fallow niche
Before I had it on all the time I wasted so much time lmao
olive badge
I have always had 23 24 clear time
kindred bolt
what happens if the time runs out?
unkempt pagoda
you start taking lethal damage
olive badge
With it on I clear at 16 17
fallow niche
Or clear the biome
unkempt pagoda
so there's a little bit of overtime
kindred bolt
oohh ok
kindred bolt
i never like timed games, i only used it in 32 heat run, its still too early for that, one i reach heat 25 with all weapons then i will have to use these things more
olive badge
Elysium is so slow
@fallow niche
Especially with benefit package
fallow niche
Yuck, I never take that
proper jolt
It's worse when you have extreme measures on the boss fight
olive badge
Some heads split when they die
fallow niche
Benefits package is awful
fallow niche
Extreme Measures 3 ain't so bad, but sometimes Benefits Package can really increase time
kindred bolt
ive been using it every run to get used to it
lament coral
BP varies so much, it's just stupid
olive badge
And they explode on death
proper jolt
I wonder how hard extreme measures on Hades will be i wouldn't mind if we saw it next update
fallow niche
I don't remember what it replaced, but it probably wasn't as bad
lament coral
could could have a room full of bomb layers with speed and clone
proper jolt
Oh no
olive badge
And the worst thing about is is that the enemy isn't counted as dead
lament coral
took me 2 minutes
kindred bolt
i can't imagine hades ads with extreme measures
proper jolt
More laser's
olive badge
If the fake head is alive
kindred bolt
i always struggle with his ads with certain builds
lament coral
so he'd be easier?
fallow niche
God I wish
fallow niche
The shopping cart is hilarious
lament coral
phase 1, Hades just rides around, shooting skulls
olive badge
But Theseus cart is easier
lament coral
phase 2, regular
fallow niche
I really hope there will be an Extreme Measures 4, I really like all of the changes to the bosses it brings and I'm excited to see what they do with the old man himself
olive badge
Just Asterius is the problem
fallow niche
Asterius's spin is absurd on EM3
opal bay
or Hades spawns mini ghost versions of previous EM bosses.
lament coral
I'm not a fan of Hydra and Theseus
olive badge
Extreme measure 4: Hades started making Dad jokes and cringe Zag to death
opal bay
just imagine that guise
olive badge
Yeag
kindred bolt
hades ads are ridiculous with the faster attacks +40% pact, he has so many skulls, i would have no time if my main attack doesn't have too much damage
lament coral
nor can I see under em
olive badge
Hydra on EM2 is terrible lol
olive badge
Same
lament coral
yeah, hilariously lame
kindred bolt
60 damage per missile is a little steep though
opal bay
Asterius and Hydra are annoying yeah but I am kind of picking up how to fight them actually.
olive badge
Theseus and Asterius go near each other more
So Meg has easier time hitting both of them
proper jolt
That stupid axe attack where he Spins
fallow niche
Hydra is the worst boss fight by far, but at least its Extreme Measures actually improves it
olive badge
Unlike the normal fight
olive badge
Where it's Ornstein and Smough
opal bay
oh yeah
kindred bolt
i miss dark souls
olive badge
Hydra is always easier when I have Armor Break
One Arthur swing
Head's armor gone
Then the last swing crits and kill it
opal bay
unless they decide to keep distance and not be up close to each other at times
that's annoying when I can't just attack them all at once
fallow niche
The wavemaker heads are cancer since they just sit in their spawn place and attack
Making you reach out into lava to get them
Really annoying
opal bay
wavemakers in general
fallow niche
Wavemaker enemies are great
They are worth a bunch of whatever point system the game uses to determine how many enemies it can spawn so you can often just have a room of 4 of them and thats it
Just blow them up and move on, so juicy
Instead of a billion witches
Spread across the entire room
proper jolt
What type of stats do you wanna see on the next god I would love something to do with lava
proper jolt
Oh really
kindred bolt
ive hoping for a god with fire for forever
proper jolt
I didn't know
kindred bolt
but my hopes have been squashed
opal bay
there is only planned to be a new character that is not Olympian
kindred bolt
i was hoping for a greatsword and they did that and i didn't even have to ask
proper jolt
Well once the game fully comes out we will start to see new gods
clear dome
why wont there be next god?
proper jolt
Once the game fully comes out they will start new gods most likely
fallow niche
They said they'd consider it for Hades
opal bay
since they are most likely sticking to their roadmap
fallow niche
Hades is the first game they've made where DLC makes sense
proper jolt
There's alot keep sake's slots left
kindred bolt
keepsakes is the thing im most confused about
they mostly seem useless to me and i always use the same things
fallow niche
Well the god ones are all useful for sculpting builds
kindred bolt
2 god keepsakes depending on what i want to play, 1 for gold or choas and 1 tooth for hades
fallow niche
There are some terrible ones, mostly Sisyphus's shackles
But most are playable by some measure
proper jolt
The butterfly and plume are cool but eh
fallow niche
I never use tooth, its a waste, usually take Skull Earing for Hades
opal bay
I see them as sort of keepsakes that help shape up early no heat runs.
opal bay
for new players mostly
fallow niche
Or extra casts
kindred bolt
i always get hit, i never even enter the silly rooms where if you get hit once, you get an onion
everytime i try it, i get a stupid little kart thing
get hit immediately
fallow niche
opal bay
like Dusa's keepsake is definitely for players that have trouble with health.
(mostly very very fresh players though)
kindred bolt
im just sad how bad pierced butterfly has become, it used to be one of my favourites!
i used to always have that for minotaur and theseus boss fight
opal bay
I mean, it's still alright?
kindred bolt
i tried it a few times, i would just rather get straight up gold or another god keepsake
opal bay
Though really butterfly is good if you keep it for entire run I feel
fallow niche
pierced butterfly and hermes keepsakes are pretty meh
you lose the bonus immediately upon switching to something else and they're not worth using outside of really early
which limits your ability to form builds by using god keepsakes, purchase from shops since you can't take coinpurse, and the bonus isn't as consistent as something like Skull Earing or Bone Hourglass (with a Jerky)
brisk copper
i've tried it several times in Elysium.. have to say, it can make life kinda easier
in others, not so much
probably in the temple of Styx it can be useful as well
lament coral
that's pretty much the only place, imho
and then you're stuck with an utterly useless relic vs Hades
brisk copper
i've beaten [redacted] several times with Hypnos' coin purse..
turbid needle
Knocking down pillars in the Hades fight drops debris that inflicts damage.
brisk copper
yes, im that dumb
olive badge
Tbh the stats keepsake are mostly bad
The numbers are really small
Utility keepsakes like God's ones or pocket are usually good
I use Skelly tooth sometimes if I lost 2 Defiance before Styx
Broken Spearpoint is great for not getting screwed over by Snake stones
azure lake
i feel like i do 2 gods one to shape my build early on, then bone hourglass for elysium and skull earing for styx every run, I used to try tooth but if you still have all of your death defiances it's worse than cerberus' collar.
I don't know how I feel about broken spearpoint
buoyant junco
I'm usually forced to do broken spearpoint for elysium even
at 32 heat, even with the shield I get clubbered
kind fulcrum
I find that the hard chambers in the Styx are actually way easier than the normal ones
weak rivet
muted herald
hmmm odd
using the cast charged bow with artemis' on hit arrows launches the on hit arrows when i load the casts
instead of when the casts hit
shadow oriole
yeah I think thats how its supposed to work.
support fire activates on cast and hera aspect loads the bow when you cast
muted herald
yuck phalanx shot chaining doesnt feel great
the bounces are super slow and often dont hit enemies at all
shadow oriole
its just to slow if you arent right in there face or getting a bunch of deflect with it
shadow oriole
doesnt it move out from what ever you hit with your attack on hera bow anyways?
muted herald
yeah
the initial hit isnt a problem
it's the zeus duo not working well is the problem
it's supposed to chain to enemies, but the chaining doesnt seem to seek enemies properly
shadow oriole
yeah it just seems extra useless on hera bow to me
muted herald
yeah which is what i found odd
since ensuring it does start chaining in the first place should be good, right
shadow oriole
hera bow as the cast start from what ever you hit with your attack. phalanx shot should do damage to the target of the attack and then move out from them so the chaining on the duo boon wont start until it hits something else
muted herald
yeah and the chaining doesnt work well is what im saying
after hitting the initial target, it doesnt chain to other enemies well
shadow oriole
yeah I just dont think its a great boon on any weapon. the cast is just too slow to really get good chains
urban hamlet
Not quite sure if this is the right place, but I was hoping to ask for some Adamant Rail tips? I'm at least Pact 5 with all the other weapons and can use them well its just the rail I struggle with
shadow oriole
its all about just moving as needed. dont just stand there shooting
what are you having trouble with on rail runs?
urban hamlet
2 main things I guess.
- It takes me an extra 20-30 minutes to win a rail run
- I just don't have a lot of fun with it, feels like I'm doing something wrong
lament coral
which aspect are you using?
urban hamlet
Normally the one that gives you bonus damage for getting hit with your special
lament coral
the rail is a bit tougher to use since it doesn't stagger enemies on hit with its attack, only special
urban hamlet
I'm aware of that.
lament coral
have you tried Zag rail with Zeus attack?
urban hamlet
I have done a run with it yes
But I feel like all the other weapons work with most boons
muted herald
my current favorite after zeus rail is rocket poseidon
urban hamlet
The rail works with debatably 2/3
lament coral
you could try Hestia then
muted herald
there's uhhh
lament coral
you shoot and reload and shoot and reload
muted herald
the chilling blast demeter too
since you stack chill really quickly with primary fire
urban hamlet
But it's not even that much damage I could use the bow if I wanted that sort of gameplay
lament coral
I don't like this style of play personally, but is by far the stronger rail without any upgrades or boons
urban hamlet
I see
lament coral
not really, Hestia is much stronger than the bow
urban hamlet
Hmm I wasn't aware
lament coral
since that 150 damage is guaranteed
urban hamlet
Might have to try that then
muted herald
rail can stack on hit effects super quickly
so anything that does that is great with it
even hangover
although it's not my preferred boon
artemis support fire is amazing
lament coral
poison isn't that good because you hit the limit very quickly
and anything above doesn't add any damage
it's a neat idea with Eris, since poison will be amplified by the special
dense locust
Start with Zeus keepsake and take zeus attack
if you don't get zeus attack, either die, or do a different weapon. Aim for rocketbomb hammer with artemis special. Triple bomb would be the next ideal hammer. Athena dash, athena or poseidon call, cast is whatever, maybe leave it blank to stick into enemies for boiling blood unless you get aphrodite or maybe triple shot. Try and get jolted and the zeus legendary. Try and get deadly reversal duo between artemis and athena. If you get aphrodite cast, try and get heart rend.
Keep in mind that with eris aspect, you can do a legit cast build, or even have call as your main source of damage, just make sure eris is up
shadow oriole
triple bomb, and spread bomb is much better then rocket
muted herald
rocket just feels nice
because it's a lot easier to hit with
but spread bomb's great too
shadow oriole
the best DPS upgrades though are spread fire, explosive fire, and piercing fire in that orrder
dense locust
Well have you tried triple bomb with rocket bomb and artemis special? it's pretty reliable
There are a lot of builds with rail
i just listed my fave 😄
shadow oriole
if you really want max dps you go for spread fire and spam dash attacks, otherwise zeus is probably the best
dense locust
Honestly, if you get zeus attack, you can almost do whatever you want
shadow oriole
rocket is nice but it has too long a cooldown. I need to try it with tripple bomb though
dense locust
The dps output of that is way higher than they need at 1-5 heat
shadow oriole
oh yeah. zeus attack and then just dont get hit a lot will get you through a run pretty easy
dense locust
Yeah fated persuasion is awesome, too bad it's so dang expensive
lament coral
yeah, the price is just wack
dense locust
As in, the 4th is 25k darkness wtf
shadow oriole
thats nuts
lament coral
first 3 levels, 16k
naive laurel
Spread bomb is good enough on its own
Triple is better coupled with Rocket bjt gets better than Spread once both taken
dense locust
Rocket bomb and cluster bomb anyone?
naive laurel
Persuasion makes key room way better yeah
dense locust
I like rocket bomb because of the increased base damage and its a lot easier to hit
naive laurel
Rocket cluster is weird....
dense locust
Im pretty sure it was easier to land all 5 rockets last patch
lament coral
you have to get up close with rocket cluster
dense locust
But it's definitely a rocket shotgun
naive laurel
Rn my way of using cluster is just to walk up and special and leave
Rocket Imo has less leeway of how close u meed to be
W/ the normal special Even If u are Not close enough u usually get at least 2-3 in
dense locust
I play with controller and trying to wrangle in all of the cluster bombs is a headache
But that is true they will usually align themselves
if you get in close
naive laurel
Triple rocket is better tho, but that's 2 hammers
muted herald
hmm can you sell demeter's boon upgrading boon
whatever its name was
i was able to sell poseidon's boon that guarantees epics, but havent been able to do so with demeter's
naive laurel
Before upgrade finish or after?
shadow oriole
you cant sell rare crop
muted herald
after upgrade finish
naive laurel
Oh pardon me, I thought u said u can
muted herald
unfortunate
naive laurel
From what I know one cannot
muted herald
would be a nice burst of cash like poseidon's
after you get all your boons in the maze
naive laurel
Iirc Any boon that has a on-pickup Effect canot be sold
muted herald
wtf lmao
dense locust
All this rail talk got me hankering for a rail run: https://imgur.com/RUkS3TA
dense locust
Gonna go for athena dash and merciful end if I can
naive laurel
A mean to an end
naive laurel
Lul
Any doom am Effect makes the doom stack better, but like u and I said, It needs a rework
muted herald
https://i.imgur.com/V9QilUL.png this worked better than i expected
actually it was this https://i.imgur.com/xW6aKak.png
decentish enough
jolt actually did a fair bit of work
dense locust
This should be fun: https://imgur.com/J9bAdv7
muted herald
eris is the one where you bomb yourself right
dense locust
yeah
lol just got my curse of agony and greatest reflex upgraded to heroic
this is ridiculous, with eris up I now can dash-attack 6 times through enemies, each one instantly activating 320 doom damage on top of everything else
sullen valley
I'm sorry did I hear rocket-shotgun?
dense locust
Eris aspect with rocket bomb and delta chamber. Super fun run. Poor daddy didn't even get a chance to shootz his lasers: https://imgur.com/ou9O9D3
dense locust
Although artemis with rocket bomb is nothing to sneeze at, this as just my favorite part
Oh if you get cluster and rocket bomb, you shoot off 5 rockets which, if you are close enough, will all hit a target
sullen valley
I love that
dense locust
so if your special damage is stacked and you have artemis and what not, it's pretty big damage
Maybe I've been doing too high of heats, but this run was so fun and felt like a breeze. Almost every single thing I could want was handed to me except underworld customs kept screwing me.
I even had to sell deadly reversal and then was given it again in styx
surreal jolt
i can NEVER get dire misfortune
which ruins that whole god for me cause i really wanna try that build with the gun
sullen valley
Which one’s that?
stiff flume
i like arthur more with every run 😌 just cleared heat 9 without any problems
those crits man
😤
sand glade
Is Dire Misforture Ares' Legendary boon or a duo boon with Ares+[God]
stiff flume
🤔
neither
just a normal boon
that you can get after you already have a doom boon
sand glade
Might be one other boon you need then to get it? o .o
sand glade
oh. wow, his tree is very... not complicated.
opal bay
honestly the boon trees are wack
but Artemis has the most complicated one
(and oh wowie this sure needs an update since now artemis needs dual shot AND exit wounds)
dense locust
Dire misfortune is just icing on the cake. It doesn't do anything noticeable tbh