#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 457

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 5:43 AM

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27 heat with a bonkers demeter fist run

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Chill on attack, heroic arctic blast, killing freeze, demeter legendary, hermes attack speed, long knuckle

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Chaos and Artemis special w rush kick

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Athena dash

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Could faceroll final boss

dense locust Mar 31, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Molasses man

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Any call?

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 6:00 AM

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No call!

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Poseidon demeter duo cast

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Sooo, what's your guys' opinions on

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Heartbreak Flourish

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Relentless Volley

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Level 4 Chiron Aspect

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and Unhealthy Fixation?

dense locust Mar 31, 2020, 6:37 AM

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it's great

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Just got my 33 hell mode for rail

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Almost a dream run

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Here it is. Eris aspect with Rocket bomb and Triple bomb: https://imgur.com/mOLaMBZ

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Went in with about 160 hp and 2 dds. He couldn't even down me once 😄

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With deadly reversal going and eris up, each rocket was critting at 40% chance for about 1.5k

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I wish we could get a chance to beat up skelly again after a run

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 6:56 AM

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aight

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Daedalus Hammer

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Aphrodite/Artemis Trial

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or (damageless) Chaos

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Which one

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I love them all and want one of them all

opal bay Mar 31, 2020, 6:57 AM

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trial

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Hm, explain

hushed ledge Mar 31, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Depends how far through you are

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 6:58 AM

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I'm almost at the Furies

hushed ledge Mar 31, 2020, 6:58 AM

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You probably have enough time to roll another hammer

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That's the big thing

opal bay Mar 31, 2020, 6:58 AM

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then of course trial tbh.

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you have enough time to get both hammers yeah

hushed ledge Mar 31, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Yeah then trial

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Aight then

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Man, I don't think I like having to wait for my computer to cool down so I can play the game less-than-half-decently.

bronze cloud Mar 31, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Hello, I had a couple questions about Twitch integrations

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Does anyone else feel like Crush Shot has some really funky hitreg?

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As in, you can be close to your opponent, but you might not deal damage with your "projectile" despite the enemy being directly in front of you?

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And I feel a little tricked for the particle effects not being the area that's dealing damage, if your "projectile" slightly hits a wall

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Got me a Death Defiance lost on Theseus because of it

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Even the range feels like it changes, either hitting enemies from afar at the edge of your Cast's visual effect, or the Cast's visual effect not counting (despite being out in the open)

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Hm...Aphrodite Call, or more Rail Special Damage?

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(just Zagreus aspect btw)

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ah heck it

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 8:44 AM

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@bronze cloud I don't believe there is any

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Can someone explain to me how Hera's aspect interacts with the mirror thing that just regenerates your cast? I'm trying not to blow my cthonics on stuff I won't like

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:14 AM

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it doesn't start to regen until after you shoot

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so it's pretty much worse than the other talent, that gives 3 casts

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:15 AM

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So is your arrow imbued with the cast it does it fire at the previously hit enemy?

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:15 AM

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what?

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I've never used Hera's

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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you press the cast button and it uses 1 cast, which is then added to your attack

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Oh.

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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if your cast can lodge, it'll lodge into an enemy if you hit them with the loaded attack

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if your cast cannot lodge, e.g Festive Fog, it'll just do whatever the cast is supposed to

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:17 AM

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That seems not as good as the default aspect

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:17 AM

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here's a simple example

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Festive Fog does 200 damage in an AOE

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you can load 3 casts with the other talent

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3x200 = 600 AOE damage

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you can load 3 casts with the other talent

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Demeter duo increases the damage by 50%, to 300, so 900 total

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and Zeus adds lightning procs

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so every cloud will be shooting lightnings

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and you can further increase the amount of casts and cast damage, via boons, poms, or Chaos

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slap Artemis' crit with any damage boon and you got a weapon of mass destruction on your hands

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:21 AM

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To get this kind of build consistently is the idea to use the god-specific trinkets?

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:21 AM

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you really just need Dionysus

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you could substitute Festive Fog for Aphrodite's Crush shot, though its coverage is not as good

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Do you shoot multiple fogs if you get the split attack hammer?

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:22 AM

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no, only the main arrow, the middle one

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Understood

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So power shots and extreme range and whatnot

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:23 AM

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and if you get the bounce hammer, the first target will take all the casts

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Are the goto

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Interesting

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Thank you by the way Drop.

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Zepp*

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Autocorrect

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Lol

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:23 AM

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ey, I'm droppin' 'ere bouldy

fickle hull Mar 31, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Would you say the Artillery Hera aspect is the best build for the bow?

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 9:39 AM

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For Hera, yes

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bow as a whole, I think Chiron is comparable

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it does require an attack and a special

dense locust Mar 31, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Zag aspect is great if you get explosive shot and double shot

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 9:56 AM

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again

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What the heck are homing projectiles

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Zagreus: Shoots Artemis Cast towards a Brightsword's direction some paces in front of me
Cast: Does a 180 turn towards the Splitter at the same distance in the opposite direction behind me, hitting a wall.*
Me: w hy

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 10:01 AM

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yeah

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enemies have better tracking

sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 10:02 AM

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shadegrief shadedisgruntled

dense locust Mar 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Had Dashing Wallop and Charged Shot hammers along with +91% dash-strike damage from chaos, but the attack boon never came. Luckily I was super tanky and from the constantly poseidon calls and zeus aspect shield damage, it didn't matter: https://imgur.com/Od7BaqX

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sullen valley Mar 31, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Hm...not a Coronacht man?

atomic mist Mar 31, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Calling for the Eris gang, please explain to me how to use this aspect properly. I tried it for the second time today and had to give up because it felt that bad

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How do you not use the attack? The bomb is so slow, enemies keep running away from it and you also have to put yourself in harms way to get the explosion buff. My monkey brain can't handle it

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Yea imo it feels like an aspect meant to combo. Shotgun hammer+high attack boon, great cast, or just a bunch of hammers and special upgrades. Zag and Hestia aspects are better suited to attack builds such as they are.

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I have had a hilariously jank run where I took the hammer that could hurt yourself for the damage and then an Artemis crit special and my special with or without damage boost could do upwards of 1000 damage on a crit.

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 2:14 PM

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bomb yourself

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then shoot or bomb enemies

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or bomb enemies and yourself at the same time, then shoot and bomb some more

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alternatively, get the rocket hammer and triple bomb, walk up to enemies and detonate the entire nuclear arsenal of the Hades Empire

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for the Emperor!

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Eris is one of the safest weapons imo. Get triple bomb hammer and maybe slow hammer, then a good special, and everything explodes

solid cairn Mar 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Zeus attack eris

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Both the quintuple bomb and large bomb also work in place of triple. Could also get rocket hammer and triple to make a rocket launcher

solid cairn Mar 31, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Rocket makes it hard to blow yourself up

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 2:23 PM

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I pretty much can only go bomb on eris, attack feels so lackluster

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Throw in dionysis cast and you’re doing like 3k a combo ( each bomb if artemis hits for like 700 crit)

solid cairn Mar 31, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Zag rail with spread shot and Artemis attack is broken

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 2:24 PM

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I can imagine the attack doing good things if you had gone with Zeus bolts or Ares Doom with stacking.

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At least that’s what I’ve heard around here.

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 2:25 PM

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I’m not a huge fan of zeus bolts or ares with eris. Usually dmg% modifiers work better since its not multiple chain hits with bombs

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Bomb build suffers alot when you have the hp shield pact of punishment on tho

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 2:29 PM

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I think just more with the Rail generally. It usually doesn’t scale well with just one percentage upgrade on attack but the high fire rate enables it to combo in ways that ranged weapons like Coronacht can’t.

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Yeah HP shield throws a wrench in a lot of nuke builds.

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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My favorite build is prob demeter cast or ares cast with artemis duo. Both are always useful. Dionysis and demeter duo is nice too but shields -_-

dense locust Mar 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Eris rail is my favorite weapon/aspect in the game. You just have to be within the bomb radius to activate the ability (with rocket bomb, just be in the explosion, you can always hit a wall), and all sources of damage are increased. It even lasts for 8 seconds!

solid cairn Mar 31, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Eris is pretty similar to nemesis sword now that I think about it

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 2:47 PM

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They fulfill a similar role with different styles.

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Wait wait. Lightning Strike is amazing on Eris.

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Thunder Flourish (Special) is not great, no, but Zeus Attack is awesome.

rigid kayak Mar 31, 2020, 3:42 PM

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hey guys. Is there a way to see how far you've gotten with each weapon? Since it seems like you can only get certain rewards once per first win with the weapon, i can't remember with which weapons i've received which rewards

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 3:43 PM

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You can check each weapon individually either in the yard with Skelly (just press the prompt to change your equipped weapon's Aspect, it will list highest Heat cleared) or in the Pact when starting a run.

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@turbid needle I think past 25 the pact won’t tell you the heat you’ve beaten with that weapon, fyi

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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it does

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it also tells you to go back, for some reason

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https://i.imgur.com/sA5Hj6o.png?1

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what does that even mean?

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you must beat all the other heat levels and get their bounties to get here, what's there to go back to?

atomic mist Mar 31, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah that's a weird one. Heat 0 doesn't work the same way 1-20 do, you actually can't have any heat on to get that bounty

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But it also doesn't show up until you've cleared everything else on that weapon

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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you can't go below 5 on hell either

atomic mist Mar 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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So you can't even get it. That seems like something to look into

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I also expected that I'd be able to replay any heat I wanted after doing all 25 but nope, you can only replay 25 and higher

rigid kayak Mar 31, 2020, 4:41 PM

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what do the different icons mean in the bottom of the chamber previews?

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i'm in a room where there are multiple exits, and one has a skull at the bottom

unkempt pagoda Mar 31, 2020, 4:43 PM

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there’s a room guide in the pins!

sturdy sandal Mar 31, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I'm pretty sure that bow is the worst of the weapons... Holy crap. It's such a chore to play with it especially in Elysium

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 4:59 PM

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nah

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I like Coronacht tbh

sturdy sandal Mar 31, 2020, 5:14 PM

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It was doable with the triple shot. i managed to finish the game but it crashed at the end screen with the stats. Apparently the game isn't saved when you kill the boss, because I didn't get anything from my run

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 5:41 PM

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@lament coral where do you see the heat you’ve done it with before though? The meter just fills up at 25 and then anything more is extra

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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that's what I'm seeing on fists, after clearing 25 heat

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and all the preceding ones

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Yes but past 25

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Like I’ve beaten 27 but there’s nothing in the pact to indicate that

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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it still says the same thing

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if I increase to 26, it still tells me to go back

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https://i.imgur.com/FFzg0C5.png

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covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Yeah I know but I mean you can’t see which heat beyond 25 you’ve done

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Someone was asking about where to see the heat you’ve beaten with each weapon and someone else said you can see it on the weapon’s screen or on the pact. I’m noting that you can’t see the max heat you’ve done in the pact if that number is 25 or higher

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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you can see the highest heat in both the admin room and on the weapon's card itself, in the bottom left

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I agree it’s odd that it says to deplete the gauge

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Yes, but if it’s over 25 the pact itself won’t indicate what number you did

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That’s all I’m saying

lament coral Mar 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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ah, I see what you're talking about

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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How to play lira?

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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DRINNNN

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seriously though

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just keep trying

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strum on it every once in a while and talk to Orpheus

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Oh, thanks)

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 6:49 PM

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👍

dusk moss Mar 31, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Do shield of chaos added shields benefit from percent increases, added damage procs, or both?

unkempt pagoda Mar 31, 2020, 7:01 PM

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the extra shields benefit from anything the regular special would

dusk moss Mar 31, 2020, 7:02 PM

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They proc Demeter special frost, etc?

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I was assuming they did, but they don't have the VFX for it

unkempt pagoda Mar 31, 2020, 7:03 PM

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yes

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like, a full dio special would give you 5 stacks on one foe

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doom spreads all around the room

dusk moss Mar 31, 2020, 7:04 PM

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cool

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I have +15% on Olympian Legacy (change of legendary/duo boons). Why am I not seeing them?

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Do I have to trade for a legendary? Can't remember

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:27 PM

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They have prerequisites

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For example, Ares' legendary boon requires you to have the spinning blade cast boon

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IIRC

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Artemis' legendary boon requires you to have the Exit Wounds boon

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Zeus and Demeter's duo boon requires the jolted boon, and I think at least one Demeter boon

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I'm pretty bad at building atm, so maybe I should go for chance of epics instead

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Thanks for the input, buddy 🙂

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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No problem!

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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seems totally random what my builds ends up like

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at least completely up to what is thrown at me

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I tend to start with Hypnos' keepsake, see which gods I get, and then take their keepsakes to continue getting more of their boons

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:33 PM

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is it easier to get a solid build with one god?

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Usually their boons help with their other boons

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Like, Aphrodite has boons that make enemies weak, and boons that make weak enemies weaker and eventually charmed

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I'd just go and experiment

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That's the most fun

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:35 PM

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yeah, that's what I'm doing I guess - making myself familiar with things and trying different approaches

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pretty new, just working on 1-heat runs

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Don't worry about it, you'll get accustomed to the ~~breeze~~ boons soon enough

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:39 PM

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thanks for the encouragement 🙂

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btw, do you know how long the Chaos boons last? My impression was that they last for the rest of the run?

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after the X number of encounters before they are activated ofc

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Yup

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Alright. Do you always grab them?

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Generally

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 7:57 PM

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I favor chaos more if I’m running Stygian soul because picking up extra bloodstones makes a huge difference

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I favor it a little less in comparison to regular boons if I’m running with underworld customs on

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Whats Stygian Soul?

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Stygian is a tossup

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

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The twin mirror boost to infernal soul, makes it so that you cant collect bloodstones and they regenerate instead

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Without a +1 bloodstone, stygian is painful to use

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Lost a cast run with like 8 zeus boons because of only 1 bloodstone (after 3 chaos boons)

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I can manage with just one if it’s not a cast dependent build

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But if I get a second it is much better

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Yeah. 2 stones stygian > infernal

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Agreed

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Honestly, I like stygian for non cast builds too

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Since I don't need to worry about picking up my bloodstones

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:06 PM

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What cast is best for Hera bow?

covert tide Mar 31, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Not demeter or ares, I’d imagine

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I've been trying to use this thing

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Maybe it's just me

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But it kinda sucks

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I could see Artemis nuking barring any hitbox interactions like I’ve heard that Aphrodite’s has with that aspect?

kind fulcrum Mar 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Athena is good

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It's also an explosion radius so it can hit things around the target as well

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I think it's like

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It gives me the question of

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Demeter is pretty good

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Why would I not just cast it normally

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Because you need to time and aim

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And casting animation

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Vs just load up +7 lobs in one shot

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Though, Dionysus is pretty good

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Since it removes dionysus delay

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Definitely some useless casts with Hera, like, Demeter's cast

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But dionaysis with hera is good

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Yeah explosive shot + Hera is decent

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Ares I find pretty ok too

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Since it set off the rift where you want it to be

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Considering the rift has slow travel time

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Yeah

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That being said. Chiron > Hera imo

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Though with Ares I normally just go melee

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Since you can build more ways with Chiron and achieve pretty much the same thing as Hera

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Only thing that is unique to hera is exit wound and lightning on stone spam

olive badge Mar 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Hmm isn't chiron normally special crit

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:19 PM

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not crit. just auto target

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 8:24 PM

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any good builds for chaos shield?

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do you guys build around the special? Knockback attack is pretty annoying to me ;P

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I usually build around the special. You can also build around the charge attack, or, the dash attack if poor RNG

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Charge attack with the shield shot hammer is actually pretty nice. Just hide behind shield and shoot stuff 😄

restive widget Mar 31, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Alright, I'll see if I find it 😉

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 8:42 PM

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My current theory is that the bow aspects ramp up in quality as you upgrade them and are less effective at lower levels than most other weapons are at those points in the game, is that accurate? I don’t play using the bow much so I don’t know for sure.

unkempt pagoda Mar 31, 2020, 8:48 PM

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definitely true for chiron (and to a lesser extent, zag)

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however, all of hera's power comes at unlock, the levels just upgrade a minor convenience

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 8:55 PM

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That was what I kind of expected. Playing using base level Chiron just feels horrible sometimes lmao

fallow niche Mar 31, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Chiron is awful until maxed

wicked raft Mar 31, 2020, 9:39 PM

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is the gamepedia guide on artemis and hermes right? for the life of me, I can't get their legendaries. On run like 80 something with 60 or so escapes.

topaz flume Mar 31, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Once you beat the first boss and move on to the next area, if you die there, do you start again from the first area? Not too familiar with Roguelite/like games and Hades is my first.

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Yep, that's it.

tepid ridge Mar 31, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@topaz flume Yep, you go through each area and boss every run getting more powerful and gathering permanent resources. If you die you start over but keep some currencies you picked up.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 10:30 PM

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You keep darkness, nectar and gemstones

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Also bounties

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And lose Obol (money) and also all the boons n stuff

topaz flume Mar 31, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Yup. That’s what I thought. Thanks!

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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👍

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How do you open the boons menu on pc? Never came up with that

Can you even?

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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B by default, I think.

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I have it mapped to Tab.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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O H

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Me, 70 + runs in: surprised pikachu

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SH

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SHHH

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I dON'T NEED NO BOON MENU I AM SIMPLY ASKING FOR UHM

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FLAVOR

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Did you ever, uh, check the Controls page?

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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I HAVE

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MUKTIPLE TIMES ITS LIKE

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HOW DID I NOT

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SEE IT

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DON'T YOU :SHADESMILE: M E

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NOT THAT EITHER

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Bahshff

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Jokes aside I have only one weapon left to beat the game with I'm p happy about that

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Back when I started I didn't think I would ever be able to use the melee weapons

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Last weapon to win with is Varatha

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I recently finally got 32 Heat with Varatha.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Monstrous

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Meanwhile there's me who's about as elegant with it as a nine year old with a stick

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Hey, I cheesed with Guan Yu.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I don't even have Guan Yu yet ahdudjg

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I've been playing longer.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I don't think Achilles is for me, I love the ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM but i can't control it yet

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Plus I think beating Redacted with ||his own fork|| is something Zag would approve of

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Achilles can be good, I'm sure, but I can't pull it off.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I also managed to actually have my first clear under 40 minutes which i didnt expect and it felt so nice to have people react to it

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i went a little nuts on the mittens

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I know its nothing compared to yall but it felt nice :D

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:25 PM

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The game can sense when I've been backed into the corner of taking a Poseidon core boon and it refuses to give me an out.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:25 PM

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First clear on mittens too

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shshudf

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Poseidon is... Something

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Doesn't even have the decency to give me Sweet Nectar or Exclusive Access.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I had a solid laugh today when I realized Talos + Poseidon Special meant I'm going to draw them in, and them homerun them away

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Just in time for your boosted Attack and Cast to now have a chance to miss.

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Ugh.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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THIS WRETCH EMPTY

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YEET

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Just... Bop the whole character.

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The first time you get Sea Storm Poseidon comes in talking yang and then immediately gives the limelight to Zeus the second he shows up.

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Just, folds like a bunch of Bounty paper towels.

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And that's basically every Duo interaction.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Poseidon Boons: the legend

uses Poseidon Call is thrown half across the map and attempts the equivalent of wrestling a sliding car's wheel
uh just, just give me the money. Bye uncle
i have one knockback please stop it with the rupture

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/im kidding i love you uncle

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Oh that sea storm interaction was something

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||"and i OOP" - Poseidon||

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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"This interaction is perfectly representative of Poseidon in this game."

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Zagreus: ah am i sure wondering what blessings my olympian family will bestow upon me to help me overcome the perilous underworld
Poseidon: heyyyy nephew do you like FISHING
Zagreus: uncle I don't think this is the best time-
Poseidon: YOU GET NO CHOICE

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Gotta love the greek gods

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Fish

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Blender

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your weird uncle (the one that is not a fish)

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the grandma from hoodwinked

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Charm A Rat (I don't remember that from Rattatouile)

turbid needle Mar 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Final boss just poked me through a pillar for the kill. Can I do this with sufficient range, like with Extended Jab Varatha? 'Cause I can't attack over the tables in Tartarus.

weak rivet Mar 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Damn it

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What a haxxor

normal meteor Apr 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Does the shield no longer block Hades' laser attack after the last patch?

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Pretty sure I blocked it today

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I don't like most Poseidon stuff, but Tidal Dash can add a lot with either Poseidon addons or Sea Storm

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Mandatory Uncle Poseidon love inserted here 💙

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 1:15 AM

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also his cast seems like a fine workhorse cast if you get good cast support

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Chance of Demeter duo adds a good bit

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I will call X on you, Sigma Megaman X music starts playing

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I think when I was just starting, Tidal Dash spam and flailing was my first way of winning

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 1:50 AM

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art thou an idiot

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people will joineth thine servere if they want to

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 2:16 AM

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idk why

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but at first I really dislike the bow

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Then I made it all the way to Elysium with it while I always die to the hydra with other weapons.

olive badge Apr 1, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I think the simplest explanation is that when you use melee weapon you would die to the headslam and lava faster

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I have multiple clears and I still hate the head slam attack the second boss uses.

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Probably, yeah. I get reckless with melee weapons

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especially when I get tidal dash

olive badge Apr 1, 2020, 2:29 AM

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there's one thing I hate the most about the headslam is that how long the hitbox linger

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like sometimes you feel like yeah it should be done and you try to dash through

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but the hitbox is still there and you got caught in it after the the i frame wears off

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I have like 25 clears and the Hydra took more of my defiance than Theseus

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most definitely because by the time I fight theseus I kinda already had my full build but Hydra always feel such a drag to fight especially with the Pact of Punishment upgrade

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I probably die the most or lose the most life to the upgraded hydra

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I see there is a reason why zag hates the hydra

olive badge Apr 1, 2020, 2:53 AM

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I think that's why Hydra skip is so beloved

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too bad it's gone now

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I think I know the other reason why I die so much

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two of the other head makes triple waves.

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Yeah the wave making heads are annoying depending on how many spawn. Eventually dodging through them gets easier imo.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Also the lava

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I have the best luck just constantly going around in a circle and whittling them down

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I finally made it through the hydra, and elysium greets me with flame wheels

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with armor

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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But aoe on those head slams is always bigger than I think

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Yeah that's why I prioritize any hammer that can help melt armor

dusty tiger Apr 1, 2020, 3:07 AM

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also should I trade a titan blood for 250 gems?

unkempt pagoda Apr 1, 2020, 3:07 AM

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no

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cosmetics don't improve anything mechanically, you'll get enough gems needed just from playing the game

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 3:10 AM

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don't you unlock some stuff with gems, like fountain rooms and extra meta rewards?

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Yeah gems are useful at the beginning of the game but mostly diamonds are used for persistent stuff right? You’ll eventually get plenty of gems fishing and through troves and stuff too I think.

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:30 AM

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So.. how do you get hermes and artemis legendaries?

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Following the wiki but can't get them to appear -_-

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Once you me the prerequisites, they still aren't guaranteed

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Try and purchase the increased rarity for the next boon from the purple well shop

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and it helps to have the mirror upgrade for increased chance of finding legendaries

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Is the wiki even up to date on Artemis’ new conditions? I don’t remember what the exact boons are but I know they’re both tier 2.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Oh I don't think it is

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I've heard you now need both tier 2

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before the legendary will show up

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oh, yeah, like you said

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Yeah, they are outdated now

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 3:42 AM

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What would those boons be, her cast and exit wounds?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Exit wounds and double cast

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Exit Wounds and Dual Shot according to what I’ve heard

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Dooouuubllle cast thank you

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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yeah dual shot 😛

olive badge Apr 1, 2020, 3:43 AM

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exit wound works with Poseidon right

tepid ridge Apr 1, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Exit wounds works with every god, but if you mean the Poseidon aspect of the sword, hell yea

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:44 AM

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@wicked raft sorry about that. I’m waiting for someone to give me a heads up about the new boon requirements so I can update the sheets but I don’t know when that will happen~

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Well exit wounds can't work with trippy shot or demeters cast

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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NW Heart. Just wanted to make sure I was not doing anything wrong

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I mean you can have it, it just won't do anything

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Exit Wounds won’t appear if you have Dionysus, Ares or Demeter’s casts

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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At like run 90 and don't have their legendaries

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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oh yeah and ares. Oh I didn't know that Peach

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:46 AM

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That’s what I’ve been told

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Strangely I've never seen dual shot

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And this is with rerolling the options each time

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:46 AM

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It does make sense since those can’t lodge bloodstones into enemies

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:46 AM

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I think you're right, they do a good job about reducing useless boon options

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Guess it must be because I ust dionysis, ares and demeter casts alot

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:47 AM

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But that does make getting artemis legendary with an ares cast build tricky

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Now that the legendary requires both tier 2 boons

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Does hermes legendary not appear with Stygian soul?

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:47 AM

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I will do a Hermes sheet too once I get info about his boon requirements as well

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Someday~

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I mean, with this quarantine I’m free to do them lol

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Would make sense if stygian deactivates hermes legendary

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Hermes’ Legendary swaps with Stygian Soul

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:48 AM

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It'd be nice to have a point of contact with SGG to clarify these things when they change them

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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It makes Bad News appear instead, replacing his other Legendary

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Weird. Never seen hermes legendary either

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Going to just keep running Hera bow with Artemis keepsake until I get her legendary

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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I haven't seen it this update

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Driving me nuts. Hers and Hermes are the last two prophecies I need -_-

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:50 AM

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@wicked raft you won’t get Hermes’ Legendary ever if you have Stygian Soul on btw

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Greater Recall if I remember its name correctly

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Yeah. Figured. Have been running stygian like 60x runs and have yet to see hermes legend

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Swapped back to the other soul

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:51 AM

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You need 1 Hermes boon before it gets to appear in a selection too

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:51 AM

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You mean you won't ever get Greater Recall

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right?

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I've never seen Bad News yet so IDK

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Bad News is exclusive to Stygian Soul

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Its funny I exclusively use stygian soul now but still haven't seen it yet

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Also, that latest feedback saying we need around 200 Ambrosias for contracts is just too much 😂

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 3:54 AM

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So i've been messing around with excalibur on and off. I've noticed that the sword can sometimes do double thrust (against skelly) but I can't replicate it on command. It happens infrequently. Does anyone know what triggers the quick double thrust?

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and excalibur with artemis on attack is so good. i was doing around 3k damage on some hits bit it was too infrequent. I wish we could level up the frequency of her crits on attack. not getting critical chance (pressure points) was annoying.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I'm not sure I even understand what they mean in the latest feedback post. It would be nice to have something to spend all of these diamonds, ambrosia, and titans blood on

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What are those pricings they listed?

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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What, what

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Only way to do that is through Pressure Points or getting Athena Artemis duo 🍄

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Picked up Artemis cast only

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Exit Wounds, Double Shot, Fully Loaded

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Ran into artemis again, she gives me: Exit wounds, Dual Cast and a Heroic under dash

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 3:57 AM

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@naive tusk yeah, i kept hoping for pressure point but it never came.

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Guess artemis legendary is Cast -> Exit Wounds + Dual Cast -> Legendary?

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 3:57 AM

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i think dual cast might be enough to get artemis legendary

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but exit wounds with stygian soul is pointless as far as i can tell

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 3:58 AM

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@wicked raft yep, according to what others are saying

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Exit Wounds still deals damage with Stygian Soul. The dislodge still counts when the bloodstone icon disappears from the enemy, just the bloodstone won’t drop to the floor

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 3:59 AM

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They should have a in game guide on how to unlock the different boons -_-

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 3:59 AM

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i'm not quick enough with stygian soul to get exit wounds damage

past field Apr 1, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Newbie question, if that’s cool. If I plan on getting Hunting Blades and so I took and leveled up Slicing Shot throughout my run, would those Poms be wasted when Hunting Blades replaces Slicing Shot as my cast?

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:00 AM

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No

past field Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Oh! So the upgraded damage would still help?

deft river Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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It should just augment it iirc not remove the values

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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@past field Hunting Blades doesn’t replace the Slicing Shot boon. It only boosts its duration

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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and according to gamepedia flow chart, dual shot is enough to get artemis legendary.

or am i reading it wrong?

https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/a/a6/ArtemisBoonTree.png?version=630046c0168e879b84b2f9d8ea05c23f

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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@kind cloud Are you sure Stygian Soul is useless with Exit Wounds?

past field Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Got it. Thanks.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Pulls up Steam scresnshots

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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i don't find it useful but others do

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@past field

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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@kind cloud some of my sheets are outdated with the updates they have added since Nighty Night

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I plan on updating them if someone is kind enough to inform me if the changes

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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wait, did you add those @naive tusk?

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Yeah

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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cool, cool

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I didn’t add them

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I think the levels are lost if you sell the boon and then get a different cast though, but i'm not positive

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Aight, so maybe Stygian Soul and Exit Wounds may not be useful...

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1009310818279241491/70CEF7431E7D88DC3FA1C02AD4771157510F2F49/

naive tusk Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I made them but someone else added them to the wiki

deft river Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I like it more than standard since it reflects my lack of focus on Cast tbh.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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but what if you had Stygian Soul and 6 Cast slots?

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Oh. Actually. I don't have chaos legendary either

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Is it just random?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:03 AM

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It is random, but requires a chaos boon in order to get it

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:03 AM

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...wait is that the right screenshot...

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:03 AM

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@sullen valley ok, good. like, i thought about exit wounds with stygian soul and theoretically it made no sense. but i tried it out anyway and it confirmed my suspicion. but i'll defer to the people here that have 750+ runs.

deft river Apr 1, 2020, 4:03 AM

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I always like taking Hourglass to shore up Cast counts in those scenarios. Not perfect but helps when it works.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I wouldn't go stygian soul and exit wounds. I feel like exit wounds is almost exclusive to the sword aspect for casting

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:04 AM

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...wait, hold on...

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:04 AM

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and smh at SGG reducing artemis damage numbers

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:04 AM

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1009310818279250152/83C46A3DE4A76806AB693B19557361E67790CFF4/

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:05 AM

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look at how SGG massacred/nerfed mah boi ares
/anyone get the reference?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Crush Shot
Chaos Grasp x 2
Fully Loaded
Exit Wounds

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All Epics, no Rares

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look at that it looks like two clips and a shotgun

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:05 AM

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but as long as ares has vicious cycle, he can be the goat damage monster

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Hunting blades is pretty top priority though to stick those blades

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Having Aphrodite attacks with anything that can deal a lot of quick damage to proc Unhealthy Fixation basically just turns you vs. hades into a(nother) round of "I'm the dad now" game

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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so the twin fists for example?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Chiron Aspect and Relentless Volley - I get to play
6 Crush Shots and Dual Shot - You're not allowed to attack

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I HATE BOW

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I LOVE bow

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Does Trippy Shot check the Aspect of Achilles buff on launch or on landing?

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I should start a "I HATE DA BOW" HATE CLUB

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Artemis would be displeased

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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artemis can catch deeeez nuts, her crits are great, low percentage is annoying, kind of feast or famine

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1009310818279242031/AE37134A29A322E6FF9C9A3B8A08118BCEA9A4CD/

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Catch this

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:10 AM

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but 38 minutes doe?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I think I might've struggled a lot without something boosting my attack or special damage

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Pretty sure I just got Relentless Volley to up my Bow's Damage...

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:11 AM

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I mean, if i don't have the timer heat on, I take my sweet time

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:11 AM

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But when I got Unhealthy Fixation and that Volley hammer

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:11 AM

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A win is a win

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:11 AM

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true

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I accidentally got Theseus down to Half Health after I was beating up on the Minotaur

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because he was getting charmed so often

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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achilles?

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did you mean theseus?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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and probably dealing a lotta damage to Theseus

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Yeap

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my bad lol

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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i just can't seem to get high dps with bow

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maybe i'm just not using optimum builds

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like...last night i watched a haelian stream and realized that athena's attack bounces of wall on bow which was <mind blowing>

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especially if you have triple attack on bow

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Oh yeah no you can bounce arrows off of walls

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like the shield

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AND it deals 15% damage as if you hit an enemy

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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but does that happen only for athena's attack?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Nope

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Just gotta get bouncy arrows

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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interesting

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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If you're not using Chiron's Aspect, you can also treat the special as a kind of shotgun blast when foes get close to you. Works especially well if you get Heartbreak Flourish

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AND Relentless Volley

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Upping your Special Speed with Hermes is also pretty helpful since the more arrows you fire from pressing your ultimate button, the longer Zagreus is gonna stand still

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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i don't like any of the bow aspects

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i'm legit terrible at all of them

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I haven't tried that Cast Bow one...well, not very often.

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:16 AM

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like...i've beaten the game to 36 heat with sword, shield, and rail. but bow? can't get past 18 heat. lol, f me

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:16 AM

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It felt funky to load and then retrieve my cast from god knows here in asphodel or Elysium.

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Well, Chiron is pretty much the best bet

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for me I mean

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You don't need to deal damage with your primary attack if your special can dish 300% damage to anyone

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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chiron works until you take one of the hammer upgrades and then it ruins the chiron aspect

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i don't know if sgg has fixed that

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Eh, it's a bit weird

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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i and others pointed that out in the feedback channel

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Yeah chain shot is great because you can safely shoot from behind cover

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Except if you have Chiron

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because you can get a target for your homing arrows like 3 walls away

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I kind of try to keep Vanilla with Chiron. Fast Arrows, Relentless Volley, more damage from afar or to armor, that kinda stuff.

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But otherwise, it works extremely well with any boons

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:19 AM

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If I don't get any hammers to increase attack damage, I like Ares attack for the reliable but still significant damage

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Oh yeah, that's one of my go-tos for Chiron

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The main attack feels so weak compared to the special anyway

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A lot of damage and more potential crit chance from Artemis,
A huge amount of base damage from Aphrodite and the chance to obtain Unhealthy Fixation basically forces Hades, Theseus, and Asterius to sit down because there's some heart particles...

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Potential for very fast and very easy stacks of frost and frost explosions

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Pretty sure you can REALLY build up Doom Damage if you get that boon, too

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I got my 32 heat with the bow using demeter special with the +4 arrow hammer and just slow playing it

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Heheheheheh, you REALLY need to try out the Aphrodite one

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Yeah if you can get the legendary, it's very strong

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:22 AM

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It's really fun if you can just talk to Hades and say "Hey sit down, you're not allowed to attack anymore."

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Plus, Aphrodite has that high +damage %

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:22 AM

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For my 32 heat shield, I had zeus aspect and got the aphrodite special and legendary by chamber 7

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Pffffnnnice.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:23 AM

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And my entire strat was just trying to navigate the shield to be spinning on everything for as long as possible

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I went through 7 dds lol

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:23 AM

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bjesums

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I kinda just treat Zeus's shield as either a "go here and do this" or "chase me and find out what happens" thing

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I see potential in it. A little focused on fully upping Chaos for now though

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The pattern in which the 4 shields are thrown feels funky.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Yeah I feel like the Chaos aspect is good, but I've had way more success with Zeus aspect

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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it was done intentionally not nerf the efficiency

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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This was a very powerful build: https://imgur.com/alxiwcA

Imgur

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oops

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wrong image

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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it used to shoot all shields from the front

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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i was like dafuq

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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It shoots like

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lopsided though

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Artemis zeus shield is deadly

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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I'm fine with it not shooting all from the front,

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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it shoots in a star pattern now

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

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I'd rather it shoot in like cardinal directions from Zagreus's direction

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I only have the 4th level for Chaos and it feels funkeh

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Specifically at the 4th level

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

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@dense locust i can't seem to switch my mind off from chaos build to zeus build

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so how do you play that?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:30 AM

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So I just kinda bull rush into the front of an enemy in the middle of a horde and just

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 4:30 AM

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did you just fire the shield and have it chase you as you dashed and zig zagged all over the map?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:30 AM

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stand there like an idiot mashing m1 because my real shield is somewhere else attacking some witch in the far distant corner

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'cause it shoots strangely

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I try and tank up and take defensive things like athena dashes. Obviously having 5 athena dashes is insanely good. But it does take getting used to using your shield to either follow you at the right distance in order to stick on enemies chasing you, but also using it at the right time to get in some quick damage and then returning it as soon as possible

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But also poseidon call is very very strong

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Ironically, in that build I just posted, I was going for a dash-attack build and had both of my hammers in attack related boons (charged shot and Dashing Wallop) but I never got a good attack boon (approval process denied me like 4 times...)

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Had chaos boons for increased attack damage as well

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But with the defensive capability of 5 athena dashes and poseidon call, I was able to throw out casts and my shield until I had a poseidon call and then was able to play offensively because I could use call to get out of sticky situations (as well as deal about 1k damage)

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Chaos, Athena, or Demeter?

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(Athena and Demeter are in elite rooms)

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Using Arthur Aspect - already have Athena's dash

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:40 AM

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I would say chaos if you're strong and can afford the punishment, otherwise athena for call

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:42 AM

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I shall acquire darkness thanks to chaos

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By what percentage is Charming reduced on Bosses?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I think its the same percentage but the time that they are charmed is reduced

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 4:49 AM

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That's...what I'm asking for.

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Lernie was charmed for 3 seconds, but it also seems Hades is charmed by less than one.

wicked raft Apr 1, 2020, 4:54 AM

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How do you use Zeus shield?

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I want to like it

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But the lack of control makes it really difficult

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Usually its either - sit here and spin, or, chase me around.

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My Zeus clears have all taken forever

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 4:55 AM

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you throw and recall it

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or throw and run around, letting it chase you

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I don't like it either, though it did receive a lot of buffs and does mad damage

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Try it out and try and get used to the distancing for keeping it on foes chasing you

lament coral Apr 1, 2020, 4:56 AM

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they're just buffing the wrong thing

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instead of increasing the damage they should've just made it easier to control

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Also try and get athena dash, extra dashes, and athena call or poseidon call

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Hammers don't really synergize with it except for explosive return, so try and also build up dash attacks

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the dash attack with the shield is great

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Explosive Return is nice for memes, but Pulverizing Blow is what you really want.

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Does the Achilles spear sometimes shoot off into nonsensical places in Asphodel

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 5:02 AM

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You rarely want to knock enemies into the Blitz Disc, you're already using it as a melee-ranged attack. Use Pulverizing Blow to keep enemies rooted while you dance the Blitz Disc in and around them.

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You using Chain Skewer?

dusk moss Apr 1, 2020, 5:03 AM

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yes, though think I've seen it without

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 5:03 AM

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You control the direction Skewer goes, but that's what makes Achilles so risky, that you can end up in the middle of/on top of a trap.

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Like throwing through a bunch of enemies to what you thought was safe but actually will put you on top of lava with a triggered pot about to explode next to you.

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I also really don't like it with Chain Skewer because I want to Raging Rush and bouncing between a bunch of walls and a singular enemy as it is wont to do takes a lot of time.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Yeah that's what I was saying, pretty much only explosive return has any synergy with zeus aspect shield, so you're better off expanding attack if you choose zeus aspect

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Has Asterius throwing Theseus at you always been in the game?

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Yes.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:15 AM

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It's funny I never noticed it until recently

vagrant marten Apr 1, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I've never noticed either. Haven't played in a minute, I'll pay attention next time

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 5:32 AM

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You can also click "Attack" to recall Achilles' spear without rushing towards it

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You just don't get the buffs from rushing to it

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Boy I pretty much exclusively used Zag aspect for the spear until Guan Yu came out. I really don't like the other two

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 5:43 AM

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So how well does Arthur work with Cursed Slash?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:44 AM

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I haven't tried it because it seems like garbage

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 5:44 AM

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arthurs whole move set works agaisnt cursed slash

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:44 AM

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But I also feel like cursed slash is garbage with any aspect

unkempt pagoda Apr 1, 2020, 5:45 AM

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heard it's good because the wide range of the sword hits multiple foes easy

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Idk, maybe at low heats, but the only thing keeping my alive with that slow attack is the huge damage reduction and buffed hp

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It's probably pretty good in normal chambers, but against bosses, i'd be afraid

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60% hp reduction is just so much

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if it was 30% i'd consider using it

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Cursed Slash is good against anything that isn't Hades or Theseus's bombs.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Or anything in elysium that bypasses your aura

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Wait what

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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i just mean that hits you outside of your aura

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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they do what now

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oh. Eh.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Maybe i haven't gotten used to camping within my aura, but even between auras, I can take a pretty significant chunk of damage if im not careful

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The problem I have with cursed slash is that it's completely useless once you're at full health and also makes anything that heals you kinda useless as well

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and then the fact that you have less hp than guan yu but nowhere near the benefits that make up for it

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With demeter aspect, these 5 are all you need: https://imgur.com/02RCxK1

Imgur

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 6:05 AM

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why poseidon for call? i dislike his call, it's difficult to control.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Because it's big damage and invulnerability, as well as a way of repositioning. It is bugged, or they made a weird decision, but if you are moving when you use it, you're forced to shoot off in that direction without being able to steer it, so you have to make sure to quickly stop movement before using it in order to be able to steer it. It is a little tricky to steer but you can use it to dodge attacks from hades or any time you think you're about to be damaged

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I'd say Deadly Reversal is more useful at that point than Poseidon's Aid.

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I see you have it, but if we're picking just five then it fits better.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Yeah i actually forgot I had it lol

kind cloud Apr 1, 2020, 6:13 AM

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yeah, i prefer ares call, i usually take his over posiedon's because gives invulnerability plus some damage, easier to maneuver and reposition

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:13 AM

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It works really well with poseidons aid too because if you crit its pretty big damage

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Ares call is good too, but I find it deals less damage, but it's definitely better for repositioning

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Quick question: Does anyone feel like doing a dash attack with the sword is inconsistent?

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:14 AM

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No.

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Am I buffering too many inputs?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I should say these 6 are all you need @turbid needle because Deadly Reversal definitely added a ton to that run

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I'm doing the nemesis Artemis + Demeter (attack and special) and then got the double hits for the dash attack hammer, and, it feels very inconsistent.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:16 AM

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The thing with dash attack with the sword is if you have 2 dashes, after your dash goes on cool down, you'll start doing regular attacks when you try to dash attack

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:16 AM

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oH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I don't have 2 dashes, I have the other ability.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:16 AM

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So uh

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Both Epic

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Artemis Call or Artemis +5% crit

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Crit

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I'm using Hestia's Rail

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Explain

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Pressure Points.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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@fickle hull What I mean is that after you do your dash attacks, there is a significant cool down before your dash attack is up again

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Builds that are single powerful hits generate Call more slowly than hits with many small hits.

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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So that combo of utilizing the dash attack is better when you have multiple dashes?

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Because of that cool-down?

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Yes.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Yeah the more dashes you have the more dash attacks you can do before the cool down

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Hm. Aight then

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also who knew Roiling Chaos would be so stressful...in Erebus.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:19 AM

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So for a nemesis build and only two dashes, you have to be thoughtful about how you're using your dash attacks

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Dash attack as many times as you have dashes (1-6), then Special, then repeat.

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Excellent. Thank you. So after getting the special that I find efficacious, get the hermes upgrades and go to town critting like a madman.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Where does the 7th dash come from?

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I can't remember when I even had 6

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But I know you can upgrade the hermes dash boon to get it

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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6 is Heroic Greatest Reflex, I was confusing Fully Loaded + 1 Bloodstone.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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ah gotcha

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Man I'd love to get Heroic Greatest Reflex with Ruthless Reflex

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I am making ALL of the terrible decisions jeez

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"Ah yes, I shall acquire Artemis and piss off Demeter so I can get that health regen after. Ow. Oh, there's that health regen - but also common Rare Crop. Hopefully this gets the one I want-" Rare Crop cultivates my Epic Pressure points "nOOOOOO-"

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Okay, but where are you in the game?

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Because Heroic Pressure Points is awesome.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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"Oooh look a hamm- wait, maybe I should've gone to Charon." I have like 30 HP out of 17something and it's the boss room already "hhhhhhhhhhhhhh-"

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oh yeah pressure points is fine to up

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I'm in Tartarus, but I also wanted to have not-common boons. Of which I have one that isn't being cultivated.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I still strive to get Heroic pressure points to 10% like that build you posted the other day @turbid needle

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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And I also have just rare Demeter Attack

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shadegrief

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I just lost two death defiances im so mad

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it was to the easiest fury too! (Tisiphone)

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Quick tips on using Chaos? I find the special not that awesome.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Shield, right?

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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yeah.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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like the aspect or the weapon itself?

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Aspect.

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Just knowing what the known-good boons will help

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Like what I should be looking for for attack, special, and general play-tips would be great 🙂

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Try visiting Chaos themself, Demeter's Special, Ares' Special, maybe Artemis Special?

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Poseidon's Special could be fun

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Ares and Dionysus are best on Aspect of Chaos.

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Just for applying Dots

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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My favorite build is Curse of Agony, Drunken Flourish, and Passion Dash.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Hm! If you want, you could try to get Aphrodites' attack, Dionysus' Special, and then their Duo Boon if you're lucky.

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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I spawned into Charged Shot in that run.

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I prefer putting Weak on Dash for the additional damage on Attack.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Aphrodite deals so much damage though, doesn't she?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Yeah I second Schpoon, Demeter can be helpful as well for the slows

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Could also run Deadly Strike and get Heart Rend.

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She does.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I've tried to do a damage focused Chaos aspect special quite a few times but it never works too well

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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...Oh, you could also get Demeter for the attack, is that what you're thinking?

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I find that Chaos is safe enough you don't need to crutch Divine Dash, so moving Weak to dash and getting the extra damage on Attack (Doom) was even more over the top.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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No if you have 5 shields bouncing around applying chill, a lot of things get slowed down

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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That's also works.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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But Ares is probably my top pick

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Could use Arctic Blast for bosses.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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100 doom damage not to mention the boon that increases it is amazing, plus you don't always have to charge it to 5 shields, just throwing it out as a single shield is very quick doom application

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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I like the idea of Ares + Demeter + Aphro

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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I was thinking this kind of build, Strong:
Demeter Attack (Ram into groups and slow all of them while wailing on them with boosted attack damage and chill blasts) (Unless you use Special more than the Attack)
Dionysus Special (easy stacks for Hangover)
Aphrodite Dash (Can get the duo for Aphrodite and Dionysus)

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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assuming you get epic ares special of course

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Hm...Dio and Demeter could also switch...

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But Demeter's damage % would be more effective on the Attack, since it deals so much more damage compared to the special

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:36 AM

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It would definitely work but it depends on the hammers you're given

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The shield attack is very strong

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Either way, I'd say the Bull Rush in any form has lots of mass-contact potential.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:36 AM

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and it as a lot of hammers that improve it

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Charged shot with artemis can get pretty nasty

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Oof. That sounds a little funky if you don't have Quick Charge.

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Maybe

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:37 AM

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And the double dash attack is great as well. The shield dash attack is very strong

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Eck, I know it deals more damage, but I also find myself getting hit more often because it's also trading your time for damage

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You're vulnerable a bit vulnerable longer and also slower.

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Being slower means you'll be dashing around less, which means more damage for you and less damage against them. Though, I'm also not very precise and prefer to jump into the fray, so it could also be a different story for you.

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Hm. How do you play with the shield? On average, I mean.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Well I seem to have to most luck with zeus aspect

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But if you're doing a melee build and find yourself getting hit a lot, go for athena attack

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:45 AM

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That’s actually a good idea

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Zeus aspect with something like athena or demeter attack, or aphrodite attack and artemis special to go for heart rend. Athena dash if you can, athena, poseidon, or ares call if you can. If you're doing chaos aspect, I'd say ares special, demeter or artemis attack if you get good hammers or chaos boons to boost attack, same call options

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Athena attack is a great defensive option for all the melee weapons, but especially the fists

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and the damage increase is significant

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It can also get deadly reversal if you get artemis on something

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Ooo

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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If you've got all the god keepsakes and the build you have in mind hinges on a certain boon, it can be helpful to choose that god's keepsake and start your run, and if you're not liking how the run is developing, just kill yourself to end the seed, or if you recognize that the run is giving you boons/hammers that would be much better on a different weapon, choose the give up option and change weapons

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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@fallow niche Explain to me why Explosive Return is supposed to be so good on Aspect of Chaos? Maybe I've spent too long not using Aegis but I can't see why I'd want it over Charged Shot and Sudden Rush.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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explosive return is just the best hammer for shield period

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its not that its best on chaos, but chaos is best shield and return is best hammer

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Explain to me how it's the best Hammer.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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it does an ABSURD amount of damage and its aoe

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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50?

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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also scaled with % damage

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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True.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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and yeah 50 lets you clear tartarus easily

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Step 1. Acquire Plate
Step 2. Acquire Nearest Construction Tool
Step 3. Stand next to Man
Step 4. Throw your plate
Step 5. Allow Man to die

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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if you just spam special a bunch anyway on chaos shield then you're just doing insane amounts of damage thats aoe

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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It's far better on zeus aspect though

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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zeus aspect is really bad is the thing

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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no not at all

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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yeah it is

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we've been trying to break it for a long time

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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Its not

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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I've heard it's good if you upgrade it.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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significantly longer times than chaos shield

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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And you can still bull rush after your special is out

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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It's like one of those "acquired taste" things like Hera Bow

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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whereas if you chaos special, you have to wait for everything to return

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Actually you just have to wait for your real shield to return

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Waiting for Aspect of Chaos Special to return is not a long time.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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^

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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the others disintegrate

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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It's long enough

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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also you don't need to bull rush

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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No.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Ill just say that all my 30+ heat runs were with zeus aspect

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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getting close to an enemy and just spamming special is a ton of damage really quick

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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And the 40+ runs are with Chaos.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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yo i regularly play 32 heat and zeus aspect is not very good

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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oops

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Yeah at 40+ heat chaos is probably better

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Because you can be more defensive

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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chaos is just faster at clearing too

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put ares on it

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delete the map

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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I'm actually doing that right now.

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It's kinda dumb.

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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yeah it just puts doom on the whole room

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its great

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Ares special is very good on chaos shield, but killing Theseus or Hades takes a very long time with it, and depending on heats, it can get pretty difficult

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Not really?

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Consistently keeping Doom ticking is really good DPS.

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Merciful End just breaks it wide open.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Yeah if you get merciful end, athena dashes or attacks, impending doom, and can level up the boons, it's definitely much stronger. (Does impending doom work with merciful end?)

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:02 AM

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To answer your last question, yes.

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And no, not with Merciful End.

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Merciful End and convenient primers and triggers is ridiculously good.

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A decently Pom'd Doom with Impending Doom or just other damage is like B+ DPS.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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I'd imagine at a 40+ heat run, trying to run in to activate merciful end is pretty risky though

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Not with Divine Dash.

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Or Bull Rushing/Charge Shot Divine Strike.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Yeah I was think charged shot would be nice, although by the time you've charged and aimed it, the doom would already have been activated

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Maybe.

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I do have Impending Doom, so it takes 1.6 seconds to activate.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:04 AM

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But its safer

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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theseus dies in like 10 seconds

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Anyone know the record for the highest heat accomplished is?

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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with chaos ares

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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On what heat?

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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all of them

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lmao

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impending doom / athena duo is nuts

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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oops

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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highest heat done is 50, i thinketh

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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49 iirc

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48 for non-hell mode

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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I gotta flat out disagree with that though, I've had plenty of runs where I'm pelting Asterius over and over and it's tickling him

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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then you're probably not going in with a good build

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using fated authority is key for sculpting a powerful build

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by elysium

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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I am though, unless there's some boon I'm overlooking

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I mean how much dps do you think you can do with doom?

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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enough to kill EM3 T&M within 20 seconds or less

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Compared to guan yu artemis crits with heart rend and charged skewer hitting for 2.5k a crit, or eris rail rocket bombs

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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those are definitely higher DPS builds

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but VERY few builds do that much damage

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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backstab artemis excalibur

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that does the trick

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Merciful End is an easy 1k+ sustained DPS build.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I just haven't seen the results you've described going a ares special chaos shield build

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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No crits required, either.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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out of all my chaos shield ares/athena runs, ive never had the damage kill t&m that quickly, specially not on em3

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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I imagine you don't charge up your special for bosses in a doom special/merciful end build

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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usiing priv/pos? @exotic turtle

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privileged status is nuts

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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It's only 40 extra damage per doom hit assuming epic ares special though, and that they are doubly status cursed

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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and yeah its explosive return ares/athena priv/pos build

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and you often don't charge special

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charging special is just for aoe

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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i run priv

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for the doom and exposed

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it definetly does loads of damage but in my own experience, not that much

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:12 AM

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the alt for priv is more stable tho

fallow niche Apr 1, 2020, 7:12 AM

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idk man its doing tons for me and whenever i see people stream it

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:13 AM

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i prefer priv, its better for a well established run imo

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ill have to check out some vids of it, id love to figure out how to nuke things even harder with the build lol

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Dude it feels almost impossible to get out of range of Hades's attack without at least 2 dashes

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I thin I'm going to switch over to multi-dash for that alone

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:16 AM

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best chance is to try and time the dodge to just i-frame through it with 1 dash

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or hope that ruthless dodge% saves you

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in a run, i try and grab atleast one hermes boon and grab either dodge% or extra dashes

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either really helps

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 7:17 AM

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I use the feather now. If I had it maxed I would've had like 50 dodge%

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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i havent experimented much with the feather, more of a butterfly type of guy myself

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Butterfly is too punishing. You can afford to be fast and sloppy with feather.

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You can have base dodge around 35% pretty easily by Hydra

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And honestly by hades the 25% - 30% damage is just kind of okay

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:21 AM

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To get 40% on the Butterfly you'd need 20 Chambers of combat without getting hit.

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Basically, well into Elysium.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:22 AM

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You always want to dash towards Hades whenever he spins, helps too

fickle hull Apr 1, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Towards where he's going or where he is? I find the after-image is....misleading?

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:23 AM

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You just dash towards him - his direction is always you

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:23 AM

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usually opposite from where he is going

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:24 AM

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...You know, on the topic of Hades, if he had an Extreme Measures variant, he better be immune to status effects at least.

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:24 AM

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that will cripple half of the dps

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and make building aphrodite extremely good

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Well it's an Extreme Measure, right?

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Uh, Demeter also gives good percentage

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Yeah you always dash towards hades because if he chooses to spin attack, you can clear the radius

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Athena is very good at defense

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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and artemus

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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if hades resisted status effects, every build besides like artemis would be pointless

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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aphrodite got the damage percent

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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If effects includes "crits", Artemis would be a little neutered.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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It helps a lot to have athena dash because if he doesn't spin attack, he'll hit you with a spear lunge or skull

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:26 AM

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and zeus give flat damage buffs

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:26 AM

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crits arent a status effect

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i believe

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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But I'm just saying that you can completely break Hades by shooting him with a Relentless Chiron Heartbreak Flourish, making Hades sit down whenever you got Unhealthy Fixation from Charon

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Dodge% doesn't work against Hade's spin attack btw

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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waitwat

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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heck nah

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why tho

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Wait, me or Strong?

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Dong

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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ohp

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Same goes for Hydra slam attack and Shield dudes in elysium spin attack

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Wait- no, I've dodged Hydra's slam before, I swear.

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Like 3 runs ago.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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i feel like unhealthy fixation being broken on hades shouldnt cause the rest of the builds to use on the last boss to be useless

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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idra is dodgeable and deflecab;e

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what is unhealthy fixation?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Well, in my experience even with over 100% dodge (assuming it's additive, and even despite a cap) all of the attacks I listed consistently hit me

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Eh, that's fair...

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15% chance to Charm any enemy with Aphrodite attacks

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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its the aphrodite legendary boon

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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wow, need to build aphro more

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Still, Hades should get some sort of immunity if he got an Extreme Measures.

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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give afrodite an afro pls

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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halt

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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I've never had the dodge mechanic activate when being hit by hydra slam

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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maybe a damage reduction for all damage or something

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and a unhealthy fixation nerf against him in general

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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And it even produces a little message to tell you that you dodged

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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...Can you dodge standing in Magma?

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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no

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Oh.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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dont think so

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Then yeah I'm pretty sure I dodged a hydra slam.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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dont think you can dodge any traps and lava counts as a trap

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i could be wrong though

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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You'd think you could dodge traps, though.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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no i think traps aren't dodgeable

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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lava shouldnt count as traps

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it destroy you when using the trap pact

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Just stay out of the magma man

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shadesmile

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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its just that easy

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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lost 2 dds to it tho

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Yeah the hydra boss is the sole reason I avoid that pact because all of that lava is nearly unavoidable

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Just stay out of the magma man
shadefear

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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It'll hit you for over a 100 damage in less than a second if you're caught out in it

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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got stunned by aphrodite trial in lava and also stoned

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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oof

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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fun

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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thats cursed

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Yeah that's 2 dd territory

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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thats its time to stop playing hades for now territory for me

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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That's without the heat pact on?

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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wif the pact

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Those moments make me immediately give up and figure out a different heat configuration

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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That's just

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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on 5 heat mind you

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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ow

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oh

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smol bab, but ow

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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still very ow with chaos trap damage boon

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Oh, yeah, I stayed far away from that pact for as long as possible

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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why do people freak out over 32 heat?

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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the thingy in the training ground

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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It's also why Sure Footing is a top pick for me

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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no spoilers

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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||oh, last skelly statue'||

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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ah okay, didnt know if you had thew first one yet

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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yeah it's become sort of a meta baseline for end game heats

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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If I remember correctly, someone argued that you can't talk about Gameplay without Spoilers,

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so they're like, less necessary.

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to censor I mean

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If you can talk about Hades you can talk about the useless trinket.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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thats very true, i just personally found the first statue to be a quite funny reveal

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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I think that's how it works.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Yeah in Gameplay, you avoid talking about narrative spoilers and things of that nature, but you're free to talk about anything that would be within the realm of gameplay

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:38 AM

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pfffft

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I don't think I had a reaction to it, I'm just like

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"Huh. Funny."

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:38 AM

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i actually accidentally found out in the wiki, and freaked out

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:38 AM

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i dunno, i think i just really like skelly haha

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hes a goofy character

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Eh, that's fair, Strong.

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Skelly is a goofball, heheh.

dense locust Apr 1, 2020, 7:39 AM

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32 is a pretty good heat to aim for because going to 34 or 35+ isn't really fun anymore and relies on RNG significantly

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Favorite battle song (i.e. Scourge of the Furies, The Exalted) go

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Second half of God of the Dead.

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:41 AM

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mute

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:42 AM

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dont hate me, but ive started muting the in game music and listening to my own during runs

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:42 AM

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Er, what's your second-favorite, Schpoon?

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yeah okay I won't judge but I will.

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:42 AM

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just do so silently

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i atleast cant see your judging eyes from my moniter

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:42 AM

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shadedisgruntled

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:43 AM

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second favorite song is the house of hades theme

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:43 AM

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I said Battle song my b

turbid needle Apr 1, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Gates of Hell or The Bloodless.

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:46 AM

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little tiny rat has as much fury as the bloodless

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:46 AM

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OMG THE TINY VERMIN

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I FORGOT ABOUT HIM

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I LOVE HIM

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:47 AM

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i love and hate it

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:47 AM

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excuse the caps

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but

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i was reminded of a wonderful being

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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little tiny rat vey angery I love how it's theme is just

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The Bloodless

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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i was reminded of the pain it caused

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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its a very good boi

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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no

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not really

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but he is

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a very tiny rat

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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he doth be cute

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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well-

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:48 AM

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a very very tiny but hugely good boi

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:49 AM

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yes

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until he claws your face off

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:49 AM

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obiviously not like cerbures good boi

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but its up there somewhere

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:49 AM

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If it's got The Bloodless as the theme tiny rat got something beyond rabes in it.1

exotic turtle Apr 1, 2020, 7:49 AM

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pbbft

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nah

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just no blood

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it happens

clear dome Apr 1, 2020, 7:51 AM

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his species is mus insaniam convertunt

sullen valley Apr 1, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Anyway I've been thinking a lot about Scourge of the Furies and Out of Tartarus a lot

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overall though the first half of God of the Dead is awesome to me