i think hypnos should have it now tb
#h1-builds-and-combat
hearty pilot
wicked raft
And mini-bosse
wicked raft
I always forget to use the straight dps ones π
last nacelle
Use Hypnos companion. It's just him saying "Don't get hit lol."
hearty pilot
mainly on bosses. skipping to theseus call is useful even if i hve to deal with asterius at the same time
worthy spire
havent heard of companions
tepid nymph
Is there a way to get image privileges for these channels?
worthy spire
man so many things i just dont know about this game
wicked raft
Do you guys not kill asterius first?
atomic mist
You can link images but not post them directly
hearty pilot
companions should be introduced earlier but because they're locked behind nectar and ambrosia they're effectively a late game thing
wicked raft
I don't think I've done a single run where I didn't kill asterius first, before taking thesus to 50%
worthy spire
yo HOW do i get that hades role im literally in game
tepid nymph
I always tried to get Asterius first, but Theseus is so good at getting hit on me, the time I tried to get him first or both, I finally won
wicked raft
Interesting :o. Theseus normally never hits me
hearty pilot
i like calling than so i dont waste any damage on him being invulnerable or capping damage
wicked raft
And I usually lose lives to asterius
tepid nymph
How do people share loadout screenshots? Link to an iamge sight?
worthy spire
damn
wicked raft
Trying to run away from Asterius charge without +dash sucks
atomic mist
EM Asterius is super scary
worthy spire
i do have +1 dash
tepid nymph
Cool, thank u!
wicked raft
Like, 90% of the damage I take in Elysium boss fight is from Asterius
atomic mist
If you're on steam, you can link public screenshots too
wicked raft
In EM, Theseus basically does nothing for most of the fight
Since the bombs are super avoidable and he just shoots around the middle area
solid cairn
has anyone else had arthur aspect get stuck in an animation after a room is completed
wicked raft
IMO, EM thesues is easier than normal
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693244572721086504/693574785636237432/unknown.png sometimes when I beat a room, zagreus gets stuck like this and all he can do is slide around and dash
turbid needle
... until you max the damage and suddenly the marker doesn't show up
and you take a bomb from seemingly nowhere
atomic mist
Lol what
wicked raft
No marker? 0..o
solid cairn
dashing reverts the glitch but it's really weird
turbid needle
If the bomb bounces of a wall, there's a chance the marker dissapears
kind cloud
when you say marker, do you mean cursor?
atomic mist
Those disappearing bomb AoEs are so annoying
turbid needle
The bomb marker, like on the rail special
solid cairn
I feel like what causes it is me starting another swing when the room ends
so it gets stuck
atomic mist
Oh there goes the DD
turbid needle
^
wicked raft
Been hit by a bomb once and it hurts like crazy
100% dmg mod would prob one shot me usually, lol
turbid needle
At max it deals like 120 damage lol
worthy spire
only once?
turbid needle
With Forced Overtime too
worthy spire
oh THAT kinda bomb
solid cairn
arthur aspect was insane on that run btw
turbid needle
Yup
wicked raft
I've been avoiding centaur hearts in recent runs since nothing really can kill me
solid cairn
2 chaos attack boons, heroic artemis attack, heroic hunter dash
wicked raft
But I can imagine at 32 heat runs, hp > everything else
solid cairn
and I could still get privileged status off
worthy spire
@wicked raft challenge mode eh
wicked raft
Since I usually end up at Elysium with like 100 health
turbid needle
at 32 heat runs you want gods and poms lmao
wicked raft
my first clear ever, I had to stack to like 300 hp by Elysium
turbid needle
Since if you take hearts mostly, you end up not doing much damage to the final boss
tepid nymph
Anyway, here is what I had to show π
Absolutely melting through the enemies with this
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2039063971
turbid needle
and just kinda die
worthy spire
how about the daedalus hammers
wicked raft
My favorite builds in this game are all cast related
turbid needle
Spicy flurry jab build
worthy spire
also, the heck is that freeze effect
wicked raft
Ice wine, tracking crystals and blade rift cast are all super strong
worthy spire
never seen it
worthy spire
so there really is a zone past elysium
turbid needle
Yup
atomic mist
You will, in time
turbid needle
Don't despair
wicked raft
Just takes some tries, you'll get there
atomic mist
25+ for me
atomic mist
I don't exactly have the best reaction speed so yeah
atomic mist
Just keep going, you'll get there π
wicked raft
Jeez
Arthur is also ridiculous
Did 2.5K dmg in one swing at the beginning of Tartarus
With only Artemis attack boon
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693244572721086504/693574485403500614/unknown.png just gonna repost this
don't ask how i almost lost
atomic mist
How did you get the title? Died a lot?
wicked raft
π
solid cairn
theseus and mino were really rough I think
worthy spire
is there a way to loop the game?
solid cairn
on a crit
worthy spire
cause i cant imagine how youd have so many
solid cairn
nope
worthy spire
dayum
solid cairn
I bought like everything in the final shop
atomic mist
You can get a lot of boons if you prioritize them
wicked raft
Wait, how
I did 2.5K crit on a wavemaker in Tartatus
With only artemis attack and arthur
solid cairn
I wasn't paying attention to the damage to tell you the truth
worthy spire
"mino"? theres another minotaur after asterius?
turbid needle
Mino IS Asterius
wicked raft
Yeah, you probably missed some higher crit hits
worthy spire
oh
wicked raft
Since thats alot more attack+ buffs than what I have π
solid cairn
I had 300% damage to armor as well I think
worthy spire
does he have like a 2nd phase after his hp is done
turbid needle
nope
solid cairn
basically it's ornstein and smough from dark souls but without the second phase where the other one absorb the other's power
worthy spire
i thought he wasnt too hard but maybe youre playing in some crazy high heat
im still stuck at the base 5
solid cairn
it's so similar to that boss now that I think about it
atomic mist
Extreme Measures, +100% Hard Labor +40%FO and suddenly he becomes much more dangerous
solid cairn
I love arthur aspect so much
wicked raft
Haha. Yeah, arthur aspect is my second fav sword
radiant scarab
is it just me or the Gorgon head + Cyclops head duo in middle management is unreasonably brutal?
wicked raft
Such massive numbers
radiant scarab
like, I find it worse than some of the bosses
wicked raft
Nope. Posi is my favorite
worthy spire
@radiant scarab well its claimed like 1-2 of my lives lately
solid cairn
instead of barge of death
turbid needle
@radiant scarab It can be brutal, yes
Especially with Middle Management heat modifier
radiant scarab
Barge of death is so easy
wicked raft
Cast builds are my favorite
solid cairn
imma be honest
radiant scarab
especially compared to Middle Management Dusa head
wicked raft
Ice win blowing stuff up on command is awesome
worthy spire
one good thing i think works is to just stand in the center of the basher's shadow and bait it, then dash away
solid cairn
I like fighting the gorgon head
wicked raft
Crystals auto killing maps is awesome. And blade rifts insta gibbing bosses is also awesome
radiant scarab
@worthy spire Thank you Sherlock
solid cairn
barge is slow and kills fast times
atomic mist
The power couple used to be even worse, dodging that shockwave with max FO was really hard
atomic mist
Yeah but at least now you can maybe react to it
worthy spire
lol @radiant scarab if thats sarcasm then you already have it figured out
turbid needle
but not impossible
atomic mist
And I'm really grateful for that lol
wicked raft
Er, does Eurydice +4 level powerup not all go towards the same boon if you only have 1?
radiant scarab
@worthy spire The problem is, with Middle management, the slam can hit you even if you dodge out of the shadow
turbid needle
@wicked raft Nope
wicked raft
I just got it and my artemis strike went up +1
worthy spire
oh youve turned up the heat?
wicked raft
q.q
radiant scarab
because of the huge AoE that's like the skulls of redacted
worthy spire
i cant help there sorry im too much of a casual and play on minimum heat π
worthy spire
as brutal as it can get, it never makes me too mad due to just how amazing it is
radiant scarab
I am super bad with roguelikes but Hades I think I understand better than any of them
worthy spire
wait if the slam's range is just increased you might be able to get away with a double dash
or triple
radiant scarab
also - the keyboard&mouse controls are chef's kiss
@worthy spire No it works differently, there's a delay and then a wave comes that's like the skulls of the final boss
turbid needle
He hasn't reached the final boss
worthy spire
yeah i havent
turbid needle
It's basically a fullscreen shockwave
worthy spire
is it unavoidable?
atomic mist
You dodge through it
worthy spire
like is it forced dmg
turbid needle
You can dash through it
radiant scarab
wait if you havent reached the final boss how do you know about heat gauge?
worthy spire
oh ok
turbid needle
But if you mistime it, you take the hit
worthy spire
@radiant scarab you start on 5 heat min
turbid needle
@radiant scarab Hell mode
worthy spire
i hear its not much harder if at all later on
probably just spices up earlygame a bit
turbid needle
The differences are, you are required to have certain modifiers active, there's an unique one, and the minimum heat increases as the bounty go up
So it's not that much different
atomic mist
What's the unique one?
worthy spire
also no iframes on getting hit
radiant scarab
well you could just pick Athena's shield upon getting hit
wicked raft
Oh god. Forgot I had the "must purge" pact on this run
And have not been picking up boons in run
turbid needle
F
worthy spire
wait how would that work
radiant scarab
I dunno, I find Athena builds indestructible XD
worthy spire
dont tell me it kills you
turbid needle
It can
worthy spire
oof
turbid needle
But at low heat, it's unlikely
worthy spire
through all dds?
turbid needle
no
worthy spire
that would suck
solid cairn
what are your guys' 16 heat setups
worthy spire
wait isnt it the one where you need to sac a boon every floor
strange bay
tight deadline
strange bay
s'cheap heat
turbid needle
@worthy spire Yes
atomic mist
How do you get past Elysium with TD?
worthy spire
so if you dont have any boons
turbid needle
Get lucky, and don't use Bow
atomic mist
I have unreasonable hatred for Tight Deadline and idk why
turbid needle
Pretty sure you are forced to take a boon at the very 'least
radiant scarab
Tight deadline is free heat imho
turbid needle
Level 1 is fine
worthy spire
oh thats totally right
atomic mist
I guess I just like to play it slow
turbid needle
Level 2 is spoop
strange bay
i didn't realize it was possible to get through tartarus with no boons
radiant scarab
I dont think you can get through Tartarus with 0 boons, we tried to do no boon runs but the game forces you to have at least 1
turbid needle
Because of Elysium on bad runs, mainly
atomic mist
9 minutes for Elysium often feels like not enough
radiant scarab
well even if you run out of time all you lose is a bit of HP provided you finish the boss quickly
turbid needle
For me, it's enough, sometimes barely
worthy spire
what if you could use chaos to skip a boon then theres unique dialogue for when you ascend boonless
strange bay
yeah, i've tight deadlined to death during a lot of theseus fights
worthy spire
that would be pretty rad
atomic mist
Can't take on any minibosses for sure, Asterius takes so long to kill
turbid needle
Depends on your build
strange bay
had a hera bow run today that ended in elysium bc of tight deadline
despite having four casts, true shot and dual shot
radiant scarab
I wish there was a heat option where you encounter 0 boons through all the run
turbid needle
worthy spire
and have no aspects
strange bay
challenge keepsake
radiant scarab
bc Hades and Meg sometimes say things like - If not for those Olympians
atomic mist
Sometimes I just get one of those trash runs and then it would feel really bad to have lost because I ran out of time
strange bay
Zagreus Classic
worthy spire
and the tight deadline is locked to WR speedrun + 1 sec
radiant scarab
well I wanna try to beat them without any Olympian help
wicked raft
F. Lost 2 lives against asterius mini-boss.
strange bay
F
sharp plover
F
worthy spire
more like Ξ¦ for this game omegalul
wicked raft
Next room was patroculas (also hidden cause of chaos curse) :D:D
radiant scarab
I wanna get killed by Asterius to trigger Hypnos' line
worthy spire
that's some patience
wicked raft
God I suck at fighting Asterius
Can kill him in two arthur combo hits, but, still died once π
Also, stupid boon cleanse. At Styx now with only 1 boon (level 8 artemis attk)
worthy spire
how do i respec the mirror? i remember watching old gameplay where there was a - symbol next to the + that let you reallocate darkness
that is, if im not going nuts
turbid needle
That was removed.
atomic mist
You have to use a key now
turbid needle
Now you spend one key to refund all of your Darkness.
turbid needle
Should be at the bottom of the mirror.
stiff stone
@tame zinc Please split your feedback in multiple messages.
wicked raft
Oh
Had shadow slash
Hitting Hades for 3K a hit with Arthur was glorious
@worthy spire Try using bow or shield for your first clear
My first clear was #14 using the bow. Took me 44minutes π
solid cairn
my first clear was like a 20 minute run
turbid needle
Got Divine Strike Quick Spin start on 32 Heat Guan Yu.
stiff stone
They are the worst... I just died to homing witches that spawn the ghosts...
wicked raft
Maxed shady. Time for 125 darkness every run π
turbid needle
No Slamdancers in the miniboss fight, either.
solid cairn
shady has saved my ass so many times
by the way, if you just cleared a room and realize you need to use shady, you actually can for a short time
I rarely use anyone but shady @wicked raft
wicked raft
I can see why. Shady and Skelly are the two best companions imo
Even if its just for darkness, shady is awesome
Also, forgot that spear also has a really strong triple dash hammer
May be doing my first guan yu run ever without overpowering special
strange bay
honestly I don't mind homing witches so much -- it's like player-targeted bullets in touhou
all you need to do is not be where you are
there's no risk of dodging into stuff
wicked raft
Spear with triple dash hammer + posiedon attk is really good. Too bad boss battles are going to suck. (and died at theseus)
tame zinc
@stiff stone Changed
novel wind
how does one unlock Aspect of Guan Yu?
unkempt pagoda
have a few aspects of any weapon unlocked and achilles will have a conversation with you
turbid needle
I don't know, you guys, I'm not having any trouble with Benefits Package Spreaders in Asphodel, are you sure these guys are a problem?
turbid needle
lament coral
another bow run with ZERO attack boons
boy, I sure do love not having an attack boon
tardy chasm
Attack boons are of utmost importance to me unless I'm doing a special focused run
Usually use my rerolls to get one
stiff stone
grats @turbid needle
just got all of mine not too long ago
trying some 40 heat runs, but man they kick my butt like no tomorrow
lament coral
I got 6 boons from Ares, 3 from Athena, 1 from Demeter, none of em offered me an attack
at least Ares gave me a special
turbid needle
I have zero interest in attempting anything above 20 Heat ever again.
solid cairn
@turbid needle understandable
lament coral
you become more susceptible to RNG as the heat rises
solid cairn
16 heat is a sweetspot of challenge but not over reliance on rng @lament coral
lament coral
it depends on the modifiers, too
solid cairn
Yeah you can make 16 heat easy or difficult
lament coral
20% FO is nigh imperceptible, 40% FO and you're bleeding out of where your eyeballs are supposed to be
solid cairn
Donβt exactly agree
turbid needle
I don't run 40% unless I've running 32.
solid cairn
Idk what else to put heat into
lament coral
I run 40% FO with Chaos Shield, and usually ranged weapons
though my recent "luck" with the bow is making me reevaluate my plan
lament coral
Benefits Package is another interesting example
BP 1 is fair and challenging, BP 2 is hell on earth
turbid needle
My 15 Heat standard is maximum Hard Labor and Extreme Measure, Middle Management, and one level of Forced Overtime.
2 depends on the build.
solid cairn
No level 1 tight deadline?
turbid needle
Honestly, the survival rooms don't bug me that much.
It's kinda fun to zone out for 45 seconds and just wipe the floor.
solid cairn
Level 1 tight deadline is a non-factor
lament coral
if TD paused after all enemies died and in non-combat rooms, maybe
solid cairn
Level 2 is another story
lament coral
I don't wanna have to open the menu each time I wanna pick my nose
turbid needle
And I already play fast enough that I can easily clear even 7 minutes, so that's free Heat, and I don't see any reason to play on 20 Heat when I don't play any differently.
lament coral
or take a leak
turbid needle
And yeah, it let's me just play.
solid cairn
You are certainly better than me
turbid needle
π€·
lament coral
btw, is it possible to get Poseidon's fishing boon?
lament coral
what are even the pre-requisites for it?
earnest ravine
Meanwhile my "chill" 15 heat is maxed jury summons, maximum Fast, and the boss upgrades.
sometimes you just wanna smash a lot of stuff, y'know?
turbid needle
His two treasure boons.
solid cairn
I used to run jury summons
turbid needle
Sunken Treasure and... The other one.
solid cairn
But I started to hate this game a few times because of elysium
turbid needle
@earnest ravine Diff'rent strokes.
lament coral
but Sunken Treasure doesn't stay in your boons list
solid cairn
Now I never run jury summons
lament coral
Ocean's Bounty does
wicked raft
Level 2 tight deadline is ridiculous
Even on my fastest run, I'd have barely cleared it by like 30sec - 1min for each stage
turbid needle
Elysium is always tricky.
tacit dragon
Yo fellas. Still wondering. What's the tactical significance of lock icon on top of your boons when you click them?
Do they maybe not appear on the sell window?
tacit dragon
Oh ok. Cool. Thanks!
worthy spire
elysium is...the epitome of punishment pretty much when youre starting out
lots of unexpected stuff, the statues that suddenly attack you, the ranged traps, the respawning dudes that never stagger, our favorite half-bovine...yeah
tacit dragon
My first 2x times on elysium I died to the minotaur and thought he was the region end boss xd
I thoroughly enjoyed this game with surprises. Been a while I played any games with surprise every run. Now looking forward to grind the heat
worthy spire
im so all over this combat system rn
it feels like a fighting game
and theres so much hidden tech, i just discovered you can press dash while charging up spear's spin to transfer the attack forward
lament coral
oh yeah, it feels even better once you get all the weapons and a taste of their aspects
worthy spire
indeed, once i realized what all that titan blood was for
that was a "new" rush of dopamine
faint sonnet
This Twin Fists build is NUTS!!!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/693723824578887730/Hades_00243.png
5x Explosion on dash special
worthy spire
seriously though it all ties together perfectly
imagine 5 fat critsplosions
too bad if you do it in an area even the toughest guys would go down to the first 1-2 due to the sheer amount of damage
faint sonnet
Chunked off 1/3d of thesius and the minotaurs health in one special, yeah. Also privileged status
sleek mural
Hello peeps new here. I got a question although im not sure how to handle it about Knave-King's Sentence. || I did all sis and bouldy interactions and spoke to hades and meg once about his sentence and do not seem to be any more, although nothing appears in house contractor to buy for ending this sequence. Do I have all the pieces of the puzzle or am I still missing sth? ||
opal bay
Have you ||opened the administration chambers and talked to Nyx where the contracts for releasing specific people are?||
sleek mural
I did recently but haven't spoken to nyx about that.I guess i just need to wait to get that unfold I guessed after being able to || buy off the Orpheus one i could do that the same way to Sis ||
thanks
stuck bough
timber temple
So, for that βBreaching Crossβ is dashing special considered an attack or is it only dash-normal attack?
In other words is the uppercut considered a dash attack for the purposes of that boon
stuck bough
wanton raptor
tacit dragon
I didnt get a contract to free sisyphus. What you can get him out too?
Only have orpheus and unlocked
Do I need to do something to get his contract?
stable onyx
Demeter gloves are great π
good change of pace after playing with the arthur blade quite a few times
stuck bough
@stable onyx what's a good arthur build? Having trouble playing that sword
lusty sequoia
I won with a fairly defensive build I think
Got some dodge chance and damage reduction
For attacks I went crit
You can dash while attacks charge, so use it to your advantage
Arti/athena is good I think
fallow niche
@turbid needle 6:15 new record, 1 second slower than the previous Hydra skip time this update
I think its getting lower than last update's Artemis cast time
By the end
stable onyx
@stuck bough I usually try to go with crit on attack and weak on special
get as many hp as possible and the damage reductions
stuck bough
aight
fallow niche
13:19 for 32 heat wew lad
dusk moss
Are Charged Skewer (hammer), +Special chaos boon, and Pierced Butterfly all additive with each other?
turbid needle
Yes, Sigma.
dusk moss
So Pierced butterfly is pretty terrible here (and in a lot of cases)?
turbid needle
Not necessarily.
dusk moss
I mean, if using any damage source that's a % bonus off of some base attack
I imagine it can still be good with big casts and things
turbid needle
Universal always-on damage-ups are always good.
dusk moss
(funny that you say that and people dislike Family Favor so much)
turbid needle
I love Family Favorite, let's me dodge having to manage two Status Curses.
dusk moss
same, yeah
the % is almost as high, low opportunity cost, works on your initial attacks on a target
turbid needle
Can be pushed above Privileged Status, actually.
dusk moss
but I also use Fated Persuasion, which favors FF more
turbid needle
Takes six Olympians and Hermes, which isn't easy and you're probably better capping at 36%, but it can be done.
Godspeed with you and your usage of Fated Persuasion.
merry palm
Hi guys, anyone know if they r going to release some skin/outfits for zag? Or anyone suggested that?
dusk moss
haha--I know that people who have been playing a while have gotten really used to FA and high rare chance
but I think there's a lot of synergy in FP, legendary chance, and Family Favor
you get slightly broader builds but an easily get legendaries you want to complete builds
rose geode
Personally prefer family favorite because I dont feel forced to take status conditions anymore and I feel more free in my build options
And I usually always end up with 5 different Olympian blessings because I dont really care for the calls, cast, and retaliate.
tepid ridge
@merry palm I donβt think thereβs any plans for alternate Zagreus skins at the moment. You arenβt the first to suggest them around here though.
full swift
Doesn't FF only stack 3% per unique god you're using
turbid needle
Per level, at two levels it's 6%.
merry palm
@tepid ridge Thank u very much.
solid cairn
You guys got any off-meta builds you recommend
fallow niche
ice wine dio cast is fun
zeus attack spear
explosive launcher zag spear
artemis special guan yu
there isn't really a meta tbh either
solid cairn
Yeah I want to do arte special guan yu
I have never done full Poseidon
Apparently that doesnβt suck if you lean super far into it
bronze crater
I've been testing a dodge build with Zag fists recently
Using lambent plume, the hermes dodge boon and ruthless you can get like near 100% dodge by end game
bronze crater
Alright disregard what I said
covert tide
So the ruthless would roll 50/50 on whether youβre hit, then the zag aspect would check separately, lambent plume checks, hermes dodge checks, etc
It can still be pretty good but it doesnβt scale so insanely well as youβd think
bronze crater
Yeah from a balance perspective that makes more sense
covert tide
I have the math all written out in my notebook if you want me to send a picture
fathom bronze
Does damage +% work the same way? Like +60% of base + 25%
covert tide
Iβm not as sure about damage % but I think it is additive, not multiplicative, yes
So having a damage boost of 75% and a damage boost of 35% gets you an overall boost of 110% of base damage, not 136% damage
I think
Donβt quote me on that
I think things that say enemies take x% more damage stack the good way with damage % increase though
fathom bronze
So not 175 + 35%, that would be crazy
covert tide
So if youβve got two status effects for privileged status it makes enemies take 40% more damage and I think thatβs a multiplier on your total damage, not base damage
fathom bronze
236 vs 210, so I guess not that much of a bonus
covert tide
Iβm not sure how itβs worded for privileged status actually
It might be βzag does x% more damage against enemies with...β
Not βenemies with ... take x% more damageβ
wicked raft
Using aspect of zeus for the first time in an actual run
Its actually kind of fun and not as bad as using it on training dummy would imply
kind fulcrum
wicked raft
Yeah. Using demeter atm
You can dash through the shield and not catch it
Didn't realize that when using on testing dummy
Being able to attack with a constant floating AOE during battle is nice
wicked raft
Regret getting +speed hammer on zeus
Fast moving special is bad. Need a spin radius + hammer
solid cairn
Just did my first zagreus rail spread shot run
I can see why it has the world record speedrun
I barely beat my previous best time by .12 seconds
My pc doesnβt have WiFi so Iβll just say I had arte attack, spread shot/explosive fire, heart rend, 80% dash attack up boon from chaos, and overall insane luck
sly sonnet
Yeah did my first spread shot run yesterday too
its insane
canceling a shot into another shot is insane
damage
solid cairn
Zagreus rail is faster with spread shot than eris rail for sure right
torpid turret
7:03
6:50
6:46
6:25
6:16
6:02 current
Sub 6 is coming haha
We may have been unsure at the 6:50 point, but im 100% positive it's possible now
Literally been a new WR almost every day now
turbid needle
It bothers me that removing the Hydra skip has apparently done very little to reduce the overall WR.
rancid shore
inb4 spread nerfed
torpid turret
We have surpassed the hydra skip leaderboard
surreal jolt
im so done with the shield. two hammers and no explosive return. 2 poseidon boons and its just resource boosts, and i was already super starved for boons already UGH
torpid turret
But no doubt the times would be lower if we still had it
The goal now is to surpass the long winter any% which had the OP cast build + hydra skip
surreal jolt
barely finished the run, poseidons call has carried me to clears more times than I can count. Not touching shield for a while now, ill just go back to gun and fists
covert tide
Question, in case anyone knows: does demeterβs buff to damage when youβre not holding bloodstones count on your cast too, if itβs the last bloodstone you throw?
turbid needle
Explosive Return isn't like Twin Shot on Zag bow builds, it's not that mandatory.
Yes, Dama. The second you read 0/x Bloodstones, Ravenous Will activates.
covert tide
Cool thanks
turbid needle
Fun fact: Works with Hera: When you load up the last Bloodstone, still activates, even before firing.
cyan jolt
hey is there a way I can post in the feedback channel?
unkempt pagoda
look in the pins in that channel!
unkempt pagoda
you're welcome! π
earnest compass
whats the dodge cap?
dense locust
No idea, i've heard it was 80% but that number was thrown around 2 patches ago
and not all attacks are dodgeable
Need someone that likes to dabble with the code to look into it
Are all the WR using the shotgun eris rail?
turbid needle
Buncha the recent ones, apparently.
dense locust
Are they all using the same seed?
The idea of just trying to find an ideal seed is pretty unappealing
turbid needle
Some of them probably are.
I'm sure everyone uses a new WR seed at least once.
No, wait.
Zag Rail, not Eris.
dense locust
Oh yeah that's what I meant haha, i'm just so used to saying eris rail
lament coral
could someone provided a detailed explanation on how to enjoy Arthur with Forced Overtime above 0?
even with double dash attack hammer it was atrocious
solid cairn
You gotta space out attacks well
solid cairn
Do you have Hermes attack
solid cairn
Even in the aura
lament coral
I can't cast the aura because tiny rats are chewing my ass off
solid cairn
Donβt you armor through it
lament coral
no, attacks interrupt the special
same with charging the spear
I'm just gonna stick with Nemesis
lament coral
at least I can get World Splitter and just chop
dense locust
I take FO off for both aspects
solid cairn
^
dense locust
Did my 32 with nemesis and no FO (possibly 1, i'd have to double check) but I found having to be up close made me inevitably take too much damage with either aspect
lament coral
do you run Athena attack? That's been my go to for a while with Nemesis
with Demeter or Aphro special
dense locust
I believe I did run athena attack with nemesis
I can pull it up
So one forced over time
Oh yeah so deadly reversal with the level 7 poseidon call could crit for huge damage
I actually went into hades with the 1 dd and like 150 hp and had no hope of winning, but this build ended up destroying him
lament coral
how the hell did you end up with a lvl 7 call and 0 attack?
dense locust
Haha
Im not sure but it ended up working
The added damage to the call is pretty significant, although level 7 is over kill
and it crits with deadly reversal
I remember playing defensively and building up call whenever I could, and then using it when I didn't feel like I could dodge his next attack
covert tide
@dense locust thatβs how I play with Ares, Athena, Aphrodite (because she can charm him out of completing a WW), and Poseidon
dense locust
With nemesis sword?
My 32 on the shield was a chamber 7 aphrodite legendary with zeus shield and aphrodite special and then barely winning after burning through 7 DDs. It was a pretty fun build but I almost screwed it up.
The spinning shield constantly charmed everything but if wasn't landing those shield hits, I was scrambling
torpid turret
Zag rail with spread fire, and yeah still on the same seed
dense locust
Yeah that makes sense, the time it takes to find a perfect seed just doesn't seem worth it to me, whereas the time to perfect a seed is probably easier
low shard
Quick question about Chaos boons - earlier, I had two chaos boons that were the same cost and same reward at the same time. When they were both completed, only the first one was applied (though it said "level 2" under the boon). Aren't they supposed to stack?
torpid turret
Yeah we are just routing and optimizing that seed
Haelian will prob take the WR back tomorrow with a sub 6
covert tide
@dense locust with anything, not specific to an individual weapon/aspect
dense locust
Not to detract from people's accomplishments, but the majority of work is honestly in finding the seed
@covert tide Interesting, can you expand on the roles of each of the gods? Do you favor athena attack and poseidon call? I know that the AAAA build is strong due to its maximum duo synnergy
covert tide
@dense locust it depends on the rest of the build, but I tend not to like waiting for calls to charge up all the way so I end up preferring ones that work well if Iβm using them frequently, like Dionysus or Athena, or situationally, Zeus
But this is about what I find fun, not me saying βthis is objectively better and everyone should do thisβ
Also what I meant by my original comment was with any of those four calls Iβm using them to avoid WW
Not that I run all those gods boons together
Lately Iβm playing Demeter fists, mostly, in which case my fave build is Athena dash, Artemis special, Zeus attack, and no particular preference for call or cast
dense locust
Ah yeah I definitely use calls defensively almost 100% of the time especially against hades
And those builds for fists are exactly what I like to do, along with athen fists
torpid turret
Finding the seed is important no doubt, but a lot or the work is in the time saves
dense locust
Fair, i'll concede it takes quite a bit of time perfecting a seed
It'd be interesting if there was a mode where you could customize your seed within the limits of the game
torpid turret
Usually grind 5+ hours a day trying to save seconds
dense locust
So that rng was mostly eliminated
covert tide
I tried Athena fists but I found myself developing a false sense of security about being able to deflect everything haha
And then having something come from the side and me being shocked that I got hit
dense locust
Haha oh I know that feeling
Especially after first doing athena fists with athena dash and just feeling completely untouchable
Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to diminish the effort it takes to actually take a seed and play it perfectly. I was merely lamenting about the fact that it takes a near perfect seed before you can even consider going for a WR
I like the idea of being able to just create your own seed so that both sides of getting a WR are in the hands of the runner
torpid turret
Yeah no worries, the seed no doubt plays an important role
solid cairn
Sink whatβs your favorite aspect
torpid turret
I haven't used anything but rail for so long haha. I'd have to choose zag first though
A lot of fun
solid cairn
Zag fists?
torpid turret
Yup
solid cairn
Have you tried Demeter fists?
torpid turret
Yeah. It's good too but I prefer zag aspect
Something like zues on the attack and go for all the zues goodies, so much fun
solid cairn
I wish there was documentation for the fastest runs with each aspect
solid cairn
You can probably tell but my favorite is guan yu
torpid turret
Yeah Haha
empty mason
so i did a run with ultimate dodge chances... i got %30 from hermes ( %25 epic and upgraded heroic rarity from eurydice ) + twin fists aspect of zagreus %15 + lambent plume %38.4 ( 32 encounters cleared.. actually i did every encounter in time ) .. do these stack together to %83.4 ? which is super cool
solid cairn
The spin to win and charged skewer builds are both super fun
Also dodge chance is multiplicative
torpid turret
Yeah I favor guan yu for the spear just for the special improvements
solid cairn
I like spin to win personally
wicked raft
God
solid cairn
Havenβt given charge skewer enough of a chance tho
torpid turret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opm4Q-l2Et8 Video of todays run if anyone is interested
wicked raft
Wow. Grats π
solid cairn
When all the aspects are released, thereβs gonna be a speedrun category for 32 heat with every aspect one after the other I guarantee
torpid turret
Someone crazy enough will do it
olive badge
honestly I love the family favorite thing over the debuff talent
solid cairn
I think forge10 said heβs gonna do it
olive badge
debuff talent is kind of too much work because I usually want the dash to be athena
solid cairn
Depends on weapon
torpid turret
We use it in our runs, it's pretty good when privileged status isn't on the table.
olive badge
and then only persisting debuff is Demeter, Aphro and Dionisus I think
solid cairn
I still think it should be a little better of a bonus
olive badge
the rest expire shortly or after an enemy attack
torpid turret
6% is pretty huge
torpid turret
usually get 30% extra damage off it in a run
solid cairn
Is that if youβre explicitly going for it @torpid turret
Tbh that could be good for Arthur because that way the first hit gets the damage
torpid turret
We usually get what we need for the run in tartarus, thats already artemis and hermes
So everything else, when given the option, we just take a god we don't have yet
olive badge
also is it only me but Excalibur's aura slow enemies down right
I feel like it does
but it is not mentioned
solid cairn
I am an advocate for PS for a lot of weapons
Rail is not one of them usually
Stuff like nemesis, PS is a must
olive badge
PS?
solid cairn
Privileged status
torpid turret
Yeah in our build it's really difficult to fit PS in
olive badge
the one letting you reroll boon?
torpid turret
We take artemis on dash and attack, so at that point PS is a loooong shot
olive badge
ah the 2 debuff thing
clear dome
+50% damage on enemies with 2 debuffs?
clear dome
its nerfed?
torpid turret
Yeah it's 40
solid cairn
Idk if guan yu would be better with FF or PS
olive badge
guan yu I usually go crit so FF
solid cairn
Respect it
solid cairn
Yeah Artemis or Athena for spin to win
solid cairn
Demeter and aphro are good choices as well
olive badge
and Patroclus gave me the beef jerky
yeah demeter make sure they don't escape your spin
olive badge
there is one thing I really like
which is blade rift cast
and the blade rift pull
you throw out guan yu and blade rift
since they're pulled they can't escape the spin and keep getting wrecked by both
solid cairn
That is big brain
olive badge
amazing stuff, really
solid cairn
Thatβs actually sick
olive badge
hunting blade kinda kills it because it makes the rift stay in place instead of keep going forward but I still love hunting blades lol
CC is good
dense locust
The whatever-you-do-don't-go-poseidon-attack also applies to the twin fists, and the twin fists special if you're going demeter
Well I guess more so the special because you can go for a cheese poseidon and zeus build but it isn't very strong even with the ideal boons
But demeter special on twin fists with poseidon special just hits once and then misses the rest
Unless you're against a wall
olive badge
ironically the best poseidon boon to me is the one where it's actually not a boon
the one that he just gives you bunch of coin and HP
never really liked poseidon
dense locust
The call is pretty high priority for me
other than that its increased gold gain and that one that you mentioned
Explosive shot, twin shot, zag aspect, 5 athena dashes and athena call
olive badge
I personally feel like Artemis call is the best one for me
it just absolutely destroy a boss
solid solar
man is it just me or arthur sword is super op?
the most heat i could do previously on any weapon was 4...perhaps 5
i am currently mid run on 8
and will probably finish it by the feel of things
solid solar
i finished with forced overtime on 7
my run right now is forced overtime on 8 i am in elysium
the sowrd deals so much damage iuts unreal
from behind i do 2300 on the third hit
o.O
and that projectile stopping special is nuts too
plop it in to block all the spreader shorts etc then go to town
and 300-900
from front
dense locust
Knocked out my hell mode 33 heat with guan yu: https://imgur.com/kNKflUM
Pay no mind to the 37, that was me having fun with the infinite cast/dash bug
solid solar
wow
lament coral
boons and hammers
solid solar
bbons hammers also i pretty much got every mirror that does +damage
and i mean 7 heat is not a lot its just a lot for me considering before sword i had only one waepon on 5 heat cleared
coulda been even for
cuz i am not that good at dodging thins and you know in general at reaction time
solid solar
important to note from the back
there's a lot of trinkets/boons/chaos/mirror/hammer stuff that does massive damage boost from the back
notable
worthy spire
yeah i think it was a backstab
solid solar
there's deaduls upgrade for hammer that does +200 damage from back
worthy spire
oh
solid solar
+200%
worthy spire
interesting
solid solar
and if i crit that it can be higher
2300 is just regular backstab damage on 3rd hit
fighting chamions in elisum on 8 heat, wish me luck lol
worthy spire
go for the 5 digits
solid solar
bull down
now asterius
gfot it
damn probably not enough DD to complete run tho
only got 1 left
the big guy takes 2 usually
fickle hull
How do I tell what a fishing spot look slike?
I assumed Zag would continue informing me as they could blend in with the lava bits. I've not seen a single one since the first one, or at least not noticed one.
unkempt pagoda
they look like a ripple in the water with a beam of light coming up it
there's a ding sound after the room is clear, and zag will usually comment on it if you're near it
fickle hull
great. I guess I've just been classically unlucky so far
lament coral
yeah, sometimes you get loads of em, other runs you're lucky to find more than a couple
turbid needle
@fickle hull https://gyazo.com/9cdb9b0fb5fd9c9509e1512a4b3a44a5
spring mauve
how do you actually interact with them I've had the hook for quite some time
fishing rod
I see the spots but... can't use em
turbid needle
E on keyboard, I believe R1/RB on controller.
spring mauve
doesn't give me a prompt at all
dense locust
You have to have cleared the room first if there are enemies that can spawn
fickle hull
Thank you btw
opal bay
If it isn't activated it's most likely the spot you try to activate it isn't exactly in the spot of range for it. Fishing spots are a bit funky at times, so you need to look around them sometimes or get really close to the edge. If it doesn't work, then I am unsure what's up.
turbid needle
Does Scintillating Feast stop working if you sell your Zeus boon?
torpid turret
Watch the fish% WR hahah
turbid needle
It does not!
tidal thorn
Zeus boon is only required to get it.
Same with all duos.
And someone found out they also count as both Gods for Family Favorite.
turbid needle
There have definitely been reports of Duos not working if you sell a not-strictly-related boon that was a prereq.
tidal thorn
Ah
turbid needle
The counting-for-both is real slick when getting Sweet Nectar or Exclusive Access in Tartarus.
turbid needle
Hence why I specified "not-strictly-related".
covert tide
Does Ice Wine work if you sell trippy shot?
lament coral
how would it work without the boon that it enhances?
clear dome
it sayest that the cast blasts an are a with festive fog that chills, so this may work for all casts
full swift
You already know it doesn't work
full swift
Got this nice car and I give it a buffed engine, now what about I remove the wheels will it ride?
Any enhancements of other effects will not work without the base effect
clear dome
but the word in bold in the boon is Cast
full swift
^
lament coral
just like Impending Doom, that increases Doom duration and damage, wouldn't work without a Doom inflicting boon
I think there's an exception to this
Zeus/Poseidon duo boon causes lightning to strike enemies that are knocked back, which doesn't require a Poseidon knockback boon specifically, it could be any knockback effect, like sword's special
full swift
Have you tried it?
fickle hull
Has the Elysium boss gotten decidedly harder?
sly sonnet
Glad I am not the only one who got that feeling
Feels like I take a lot more damage per hit
atleast when minotaur hits me
fickle hull
I'm playing hell mode, but I find maximizing on certain builds to be pretty difficult. I remember when Bull Rush felt powerful
glad flume
haven't beaten hades yet in hell mode
stable onyx
do you guys know why it says no bounties for shield?
vagrant marten
@pastel jolt I'm not a 100% sure what you are referring to, but have you beaten the game with the shield yet? If so, you should soon be able to add some difficulty (heat) to your runs. Until you do that, the weapons you beat the game with won't give you more rewards (Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia) when you beat bosses
pastel jolt
dense locust
looks like ozravenn was the intended target
stable onyx
even tho i increase the bounty it says expect no bounties for this
i did 20 heat run on my shield as the latest one
manic ermine
Max bounty reward is 20
stable onyx
ah okay
hushed ledge
Wait so do you have to grind for charon's to get resources after that?
stable onyx
i mean if you do up to 20 heat run with every weapon you should have enough
stable onyx
also there is trade in the lounge
clever sedge
I joined this server, because I planned on sharing a screenshot, about a dumb Elysium fishing spot. Dumb, as in it's covered by a decoration. 
Covered by a nice, tall pillar.
stark zephyr
do you lose the bonus damage from thanatos' boon if you change your boon mid run
lunar yarrow
Yes
tawdry sail
Using the rail, occasionally the special's area doesn't show up - I'm playing with Daedalus modification of bigger damage (+self-injury) and the absence of the circle means I misidentify how far to go.
- Playing via controller so can't press F10 in time
stiff stone
@clever sedge this one? https://imgur.com/a/X6kggI6
I F10'd it
But please, do the same, the more the merrier
tawdry sail
Thanks
tawdry sail
Also, Asterius freezes a lot in my fights. The arena is a bit of a mess so difficult to spot it and by the time I notice, it unfreezes. Has anyone else experienced that?
@stiff stone Yeah, I try but every time I miss.
stiff stone
I have not gone through that
hmm so it only sometimes doesn't display the reticle
try doing it in a cleared room
and just special until it doesn't show
via your KBM
tawdry sail
Yeah, it hurts me too so I hope I get it quickly
stiff stone
ik the target disappears if the special tinks off of walls, but since that hammer makes them go up-down, idk how that would happen
unless it collides with something that's above you, tho I doubt it
tawdry sail
With KBM, it's not happening
stiff stone
but it does with the controller? weeeeird
if you are doing the same thing in the same room with the controller as with KBM and it's happening, I would F10 it
tawdry sail
Caught one instance via F10 but it was behind one of those arena flower pots of Elysium boss fight. Let's hope it's clear enough for them to work on
Will see if I can catch frozen Asterius some other time
Sometimes, Zag also freezes in dash-strike mode when using the bow (Coronacht)
Caught it. As you said, when I stand right in front of some obstacle (no matter what height), the circle doesn't appear
False alarm. Other cases are there as well
tepid ridge
Iβve experienced both of these bugs as well. I noticed Asterius doing the same kind of thing, he just kind of ran in place during the charge animation.
snow merlin
Aspect of Arthur is actually strong enough to pass final boss without the boons reinforcing the attack. Excalibur is my favorite weapon now. π https://imgur.com/N0AgUHF
drowsy glen
you're a legend
sly sonnet
bruh
tawdry sail
@snow merlin Shh, I have been holding on to this nugget so it's not nerfed in a week or so π€
snow merlin
@tawdry sail I agree, but in fact Aspect of Nemesis seems to me a little stronger.
tawdry sail
Hmm, never played with that aspect. Worth trying
On a different note, not sure what I need to do to progress the conversations further with the characters (specially Olympians except Zeus and Artemis) - Demeter doesn't even appear anymore often
olive badge
I've only seen fish in Chaos place twice
Is it limited to 2 or I just have no more luck
solid cairn
I have not seen it ever
tepid ridge
Nor have I but I prioritize Chaos lower than I should despite them being one of the best characters.
solid cairn
Chaos is broken
If I have sword and see -3 per attack but +60% dash attack damage on Tartarus or even asphodel sometimes, Iβm taking it
Even if everything else is too risky, thereβs usually at least on low risk low reward thing
Like no chamber previews
haughty surge
I love your game guys.
solid cairn
Thatβs more fitting for #h1-discussion
haughty surge
my bad you are right
sly sonnet
no loving the game is part of the gameplay
stiff stone
@snow merlin that's awesome! Arthur is really great!
I've done something similar in the past with the spear hehe
Glad to see there are others with the same idea
wicked raft
Merciful end is a really fun duo
gloomy scroll
wait damn did radish really beat 20 heat using only hammers?
worn bobcat
hi guys i wanted to ask you, what's you'r favorite aspect for bow?
i tried a run and reach to the final boss with the spread shot upgrade but idk if it's rly good
turbid needle
Triple Shot?
Triple Shot is kinda hard mode, and most of the Attack upgrades for the bow only synergize properly with Aspect of Zagreus.
dusk moss
Re: Routine Inspection feedback--I'd favor allowing you to earn rerolls with keys even with Routine Inspection active. On the logic of: you can do this before you have access to Fated Authority and Fated Persuasion in the first place.
gloomy scroll
I like Hera, but that might just be because I like getting hunting blades and a bunch of casts
solid cairn
I donβt like cast builds
faint sonnet
I'm trying to Decide between which Aspect on the Twin Fists I like better..
turbid needle
You like Attack, Special, or Cast the most?
faint sonnet
The talos 40% damage bonus + privileged status is so good.. but
so is BIG SLAPPY 5X Demeter
Crit special on demeter aspect is stupid
turbid needle
Something to remember about the Aspect of Demeter is that it adds five hits to your Special once it's charged.
You get 7 on standing and 6 on Dash.
turbid needle
They do.
faint sonnet
Does the 6 outwheigh the 7 then?
turbid needle
Almost always.
faint sonnet
I posted about that awhile ago
a quick tldr^
multiple fat 600 damge critsplosions with heroic level 9 Artemis special boon
its nuts
I actually did another run with basically the same setup but a different way to get privileged status
I think i'll put this issue I have in #hades-feedback
fallow niche
@turbid needle I did it
I finally did it
Routed with consistency halfway through asphodel
ELYSIUM SOON
if I can get a sub-5 this patch off my work I will LOSE IT
fallow niche
Its about to get way lower if I have anything I can do about it
faint sonnet
that's quite fast
faint sonnet
I don't really pay attention to the speedrunning part
fallow niche
last one is 5:51
faint sonnet
fallow niche
Yeah most people don't I imagine :v
I'm just so excited since we're making tons of progress
We're technically faster than last update since they removed Hydra Skip
I think we're just getting better at the game
Can't wait for full release and the insanity that will ensue
Love this game
fickle hull
Is Guan Yu supposed to be basically unusable in hell mode?
lament coral
it's absolutely usable in any mode
just max it out before using
and don't rely on the attack too much, it's all about spin and special
turbid needle
Guan Yu is the Spear's strongest Aspect.
fallow niche
yeah guan yu definitely is
as much as I like zag aspect its not as good
which is fine, its still good
but Achilles is jank and Hades aspect is bad
lament coral
@fickle hull 50%
I like Athena attack, and either another status on special, Aphro or Demeter, or just Artemis for fat crits, provided I got the special charge hammer
quick spin hammer is mandatory
full dew
does anyone know for sure if increasing heat past the one the weapon is currently on gives you more rewards? ive tested it twice and it certainly doesnt seem like it does
full dew
has anyone suggested that it should or a rationale been given for why it doesnt?
turbid needle
SGG doesn't like to give out their exact rationales, but to me it seems like it's a way to keep the game experience from crunching.
You could call it padding.
But this lets the story breathe just a little more.
full dew
huh i thought that was the only reason i could really think of for why not, and technically you can play at whatever heat and just keep earning them one at a time though i dont think it feels great
fallow niche
The challenge is the reward itself
It also means natural progression is slowly challenging yourself more and more, bit by bit
full dew
i kinda get that but because each weapon has a different heat you end up doing lots of runs that are basically garunteed victories on lower weapons, maybe its the side of me that likes optimizing things getting in the way
dense locust
I like the way it is now because I feel gratified beating the game at each heat. If they gave you all of the rewards below a given heat, I wouldn't feel any incentive to beat the game at lower heats
chrome bone
I imagine the idea is that people can't just blast thru the upgrades since it takes longer to buy them
We are still free to challenge ourselves at a higher pace, so it is fine
dense locust
It also encourages people to inevitably try out different builds and explore the game more
surreal oracle
After finally deciding to use the bow for once, Tipsy shot and Hera bow with Artemis legendary and stygian soul is pretty damn good
kindred bolt
anyone around know what happens if i give medusa 2 ambriosa? is it something special or just dialogue?
lament coral
you won't find out if you don't do it!