h1-builds-and-combat

[torpid abyss]

The best i had was an epic poseidon boon...

[hallow sorrel]

I've been attempting to find legendary boons, for the prophecies

Still haven't found Fully Loaded

I've been doing everything I can for it

But it never shows up

[earnest ravine]

That's because Fully Loaded had its pre-reqs changed recently.

Do you wanna know how or just keep guessing?

[hallow sorrel]

I would love to know.

I wasn't even aware it had prerequisites.

[earnest ravine]

You have to have both Exit Wounds and Secondary Shot. It's the literal only Legendary that requires two Tier 2 boons.

[hallow sorrel]

Wow

[earnest ravine]

yeah

[hallow sorrel]

Why would they do that

[earnest ravine]

It didn't used to be like that, to be fair! So that's probably why you're having diifficulty. Anythnig pre Nighty-Night Wouldn't show that.

And because cast builds were becoming super dominant I think? I still don't like the change personally and it's a little opaque.

[hallow sorrel]

Here I was thinking it was just that legendary boons are excessively rare

But no, I've literally been banned from finding it most of the time

[stiff stone]

https://imgur.com/a/jZ2jThN

[earnest ravine]

They also lowered their spawn rates a teensy bit to compensate for the new mirror talent, but no. It's LITERALLY just her's that's liike that.

alslo OOF

[stiff stone]

Not sure if this is what Amir meant by gamebreaking runs, but by god did it feel good to one-shot those giant rats

[earnest ravine]

arthur Chunky

[turbid needle]

What in tarnation?

[stiff stone]

Needless to say, ||Hades ||melted rather quickly

[earnest ravine]

Did you have the more damage from crits boon, too?

[turbid needle]

Looks like a possible Heart Rend.

[stiff stone]

damage only build

https://imgur.com/a/5crwpgk

sorta

[earnest ravine]

We were both right!

horrifying

[stiff stone]

you should try it, rly fun lol

could've been more if I had some other stuff in there

[turbid needle]

Imagine killing an add with the second swing and then deleting a boss's phase with one third swing.

[stiff stone]

Exposed and shawl played a big part too

[earnest ravine]

Oh gosh

[stiff stone]

oh yea, the first stab hit for like 1.5-2k

with crit ofc

[turbid needle]

Exposed was how I used to get 4k World Splitters.

[stiff stone]

exposed is really good

too bad not all enemies have a rear, but eh

[turbid needle]

What doesn't? Soul Catchers and Hydra?

[stiff stone]

voidstones

[earnest ravine]

The ones that matter sure do! kicks Lernie underneath the magma

[stiff stone]

snakestnes

[turbid needle]

And Pests and Bothers?

[stiff stone]

Lernie has a rear now?

[earnest ravine]

I think Pests and Bothers do because of when they're moving? But they normally die too fast for me to process it.

no i was trynig to make a joke that he doesn't matter

[stiff stone]

oh haha

[earnest ravine]

Yeah, sorry, tone fell flat in text.

[stiff stone]

Yall got any neat run ideas?

I also got this death by a thousand cuts run earlier, it was pretty dope

https://imgur.com/a/vzFtvBT

Well.. death by a thousand explosions

[torpid abyss]

Dang i'm in a conundrum

Chaos defiance or bonus attack damage?

[stiff stone]

what build do you have

[torpid abyss]

I'm playing with Hestia and Artemis attack boon

An epic one btw

[stiff stone]

attack damage fo sho

unless you need the dd

[torpid abyss]

I already got a 38% boon from him before

I'm at full defiance

[stiff stone]

attack then

Moar damage is moar better, check my screenshot from above, it's the third one

[dense locust]

Damn I've never seen pressure points at 10% that's insane

I enjoy athena attack and athena dash with artemis special on the fists

demeter or zag aspect

demeter for the greedy damage or zag for the more defensive

[stable fossil]

What does Hazard Bomb do?

[tall dove]

Replaces the artillery-type bomb with a huge detonation around you, but it does some self-damage

[stiff stone]

@dense locust I've tried that one, it's really fun, you should get explosive upper with it if you can, it's super bursty!

[hushed ledge]

@brisk copper second phase the spin is always preceeded by two other attacks

it's super broadcast

[brisk copper]

never paid attention to that

[hushed ledge]

he goes slash slash spin

and even then you can still fairly consistently just dash through

because he moves forwards with the spin

so the shortest way out is right through him

[brisk copper]

yes.. that i've noticed

[tidal thorn]

Just dash 4Head

[hushed ledge]

it's literally just dash 4head

[brisk copper]

yeah, it's hard to run away

[hushed ledge]

dash through him

don't run away

running away gets you hit

[brisk copper]

without Hermes boons that is

[hushed ledge]

dashing through is nice because you get in a good spot as well

[tidal thorn]

Even two dashes will get you out of so much with FB.

[brisk copper]

after each attack there is an opening to strike

[hushed ledge]

FB?

[tidal thorn]

Final Boss

[hushed ledge]

ah yes

the FB fight is very much bait and punish

similar to furies imo

you have to know when it isn't your turn

[brisk copper]

well, for first, say, 20 times i've died to him

[hushed ledge]

i'm still not great at the fight

but just understanding "ok, it's not my turn, i need to just play calm and react"

[brisk copper]

can't say, it wasn't always deliberate

[hushed ledge]

really helped

[dense locust]

Oops meant to post this here. My first hell mode 33 heat was a complete mish mash but with Eris aspect, anything works: https://imgur.com/28fqAas

Rocket Bomb and Piercing Fire hammers

I lucked out and found 2 dds in styx from athena lol

[stiff stone]

grats

[wicked raft]

Ares legendary is ridiculous

Took Hades from full to almost dead from one call

Too bad he gets invincibility at 50%

[dense locust]

I'm trying to find the heat where I can still have fun but it's still challenging. I think 37 might be the sweet spot

[stable fossil]

How often/much do I need to play the Lyre to get really good?

[unkempt pagoda]

it’s around the 200~ range

[dense locust]

I've seen the number 210 thrown around for max

[unkempt pagoda]

you can play it multiple times, but it’s meant to be done over a long while

[dense locust]

A couple updates ago you could do it twice as fast

But now on hell mode im experiencing the lyre grind

[stable fossil]

do the god lock hearts unlock over time and many conversations or is there a special trigger?

thanks btw

[lament coral]

which gods?

Olympians' just take time

Cthonic ones have conditions

[dense locust]

Hearts with a clock mean that there will be future dialogue options, the ones with a lock mean you have to do something in order to continue dialogue

The clock ones mean that there are no options left this patch

Actually I might be wrong about the clock ones

Nevermind I think that's right

[waxen furnace]

15+ runs later, finally got excalibur unlocked

what are y'alls favourite synergies with this thing?

[hushed ledge]

nice!

i'm a fan of artemis with it 😛

[lament coral]

my favorite Arthur synergy is Chaos Shield

[hushed ledge]

[lament coral]

whereby I equip Chaos Shield instead of Arthur

[hushed ledge]

crits are better on hard hitting weapons imo

[lament coral]

Arty attack + Aphro special + their duo boon

get the dash hammer and Arty dash

[waxen furnace]

yeah, was thinking arty attack for those sweet swing crits

[lament coral]

you'll be creaming enemies before they can spawn

[waxen furnace]

the one that makes dashstrike hit twice?

[lament coral]

yep

[waxen furnace]

I've never run a non-poseidon sword build. I barely remember any of the hammer upgrades on the sword as I always ignore anything that isn't "wider special"

[lament coral]

just to be clear tho, I'm not a fan of sword dashing

[clear dome]

aphro attack is good enough tho

[waxen furnace]

while I can recite the hammer boons by heart on just about any other weapon lol

[lament coral]

but I've read very positive opinions about that Arty + Aphro setup

[hushed ledge]

wider special doesn't increase the aura size does it?

[lament coral]

correct

still, it's better than pretty much every other hammer

[waxen furnace]

I was thinking of poseidon sword

[lament coral]

with the exception of double dash attack, of course

[hushed ledge]

imo you don't want KB that much on attack

at least not more than it already has

[waxen furnace]

KB?

[lament coral]

Poseidon attack or aspect?

[waxen furnace]

oh sorry, I meant - since I have only really played poseidon aspect sword, I've only ever cared about the "wider special" hammer

[hushed ledge]

knockback

[waxen furnace]

that's all

[hushed ledge]

ah

[lament coral]

understandable

[waxen furnace]

which is why i've been excited to unlock this and have some fun with a new aspect

[lament coral]

Poseidon really doesn't have any worthwhile hammers

[waxen furnace]

honestly I could see double-special hammer being fine

losing the knockback can be nice if you care about getting hit less, but want enemies nice and stacked near you

[lament coral]

you want Weak to be applied to everyone

so that your crits could deal 50% more damage

thanks to the duo

[waxen furnace]

if you do go for that exact build, agreed

was just thinking in general

I think they lessened the area penalty recently-ish?

[lament coral]

they did and I haven't tried it since

[stable fossil]

@lament coral Thank you. @dense locust I already knew that lol, but thank you for taking time to answer. I know what the lock hearts mean i just wanted to know if I had a condition I needed to clear like with the House members.

[lament coral]

mostly because none of the sword aspects play around the special being the damage source

[waxen furnace]

fair point

[stable fossil]

Arthur = Big Crit

[lament coral]

Nemesis, Poseidon, Arthur - special is a utility option for all of em

merely enabling either attack or cast

[stable fossil]

or damage reduction

[waxen furnace]

got arthur to max. now have all the aspects I care for maxed (poseidon, arthur, achilles, guan yu, chaos, chiron, hera, talos, hestia)

I'd like dem maxed to have more fun with. and maybe zeus

[lament coral]

Dem fist fo sho

[waxen furnace]

but now I can finally pour bloods into zag sword so skelly can love me

[lament coral]

it's the fist

[waxen furnace]

I just have too much fun with talos fist, is the issue

I love every get over here I throw out

[hushed ledge]

demeter fist just feels insanely broken to use

[lament coral]

when you lay thine eyes upon the might of Dem fist's BIGGUS CRITTUS, you will forget all about whimsical Talos

[waxen furnace]

aphro attack + arte special seems fun in that case

[lament coral]

pretty much

throw Athena dash in the mix and you're invulnerable, too

I've also been told that Arty dash affects the dash special

theoretically, that could further increase the damage, though I have not had a chance to verify if it actually does work that way

[hushed ledge]

it does

it affects all of the bonus specials as well if you proc it with a dash special

[lament coral]

I see

[torpid abyss]

Man i love hestia aspect

It's funny pew pew

[waxen furnace]

first room with excal aspect - arty attack

third room - battle rage

[torpid abyss]

I wish there were more hammers that synergize with it tho

[waxen furnace]

normally I don't make great use of battle rage

but on a slow hitter like this... it's hard not to

[lament coral]

Hestia's already busted

[torpid abyss]

Yeah i love playing it along artemis boons

[stable fossil]

Finally completed a 16 heat

[torpid abyss]

Everything becomes a cakewalk as long as you keep pumping damage

[stable fossil]

time to get every weapon to 16 to get that sweet sweet titan blood

its like 170+ titan blood yah know?

[torpid abyss]

Hmm, what mods did you use on the pact?

[stable fossil]

For 16?

[torpid abyss]

Yeah

[stable fossil]

let me tab back in and write em down

[waxen furnace]

aaand aphro special in room 6. love it when a build is operational so quickly

[stable fossil]

Hard Labor 2

Extreme Measures 3

Calisthenics Program 2

Benefits Package 1

Middle Management

Underworld Customs

and Heightened Security

[torpid abyss]

Hmm, interesting

Ususally people pump some forced overtime into stuff

Personally i can manage most ranks for that save for half of stuff in Elysium

I pray for chariot changes

[stable fossil]

you know what effs up chariots?

Ares Dash

they run into them and die

[torpid abyss]

Those are flamewheels

[torpid turret]

https://i.imgur.com/TJHyVKP.jpg WR is now down to 6:25, 1 second behind my previous PB WITH hydra skip. Nuts

[granite dove]

Might be the only decent usage of Ares dash

[torpid abyss]

Annoying but don't do much against my best weapons like rail and shield

[stable fossil]

What chariot are you talking about?

[torpid abyss]

The chariot

[lament coral]

@torpid turret have you considered using the other dash talent?

[torpid abyss]

Not flamewheels

Chariots

[stable fossil]

The big ones? or KT's Chariot?

[torpid abyss]

Like the one enemy called chariot lol

[waxen furnace]

the build so far on the first excal run:
arte attack (rare, lv2)
aphro special (rare, lv2)
heart rend duo
200% more backstab damage hammer

all before furies

[torpid turret]

Ruthless dash? Worth considering now that we've routed in hermes epic dashes

[waxen furnace]

this is going to be fun

that is an insane looking run, sink

[torpid turret]

Because otherwise, 1 dash is just no good, especially with a build centered on dash striking

I will go test ruthless rn actually, sounds like a pretty good idea

[waxen furnace]

did not think zag aspect was used to that high speed

[torpid abyss]

Ruthless dash can be extremely useful on certain weapons

For example

[lament coral]

you'll have a total of 3 dashes less than half way to the Tartarus boss

[torpid turret]

+3 dashes so 4 no?

[stable fossil]

@torpid turret Do you use RNG manip to set a specific route to get the WR?

[lament coral]

I thought you were getting blue dash?

[torpid turret]

Yes servant

Nah epic is routed now

[stable fossil]

IDK how you could possibly clear the whole game in 6 minutes otherwise

[lament coral]

that was you on call with Haelian the other day?

[torpid turret]

That was forge

He routed that path

[lament coral]

ah

[torpid turret]

I routed epic dashes in instead, then forge helped me route past the dashes

[stable fossil]

I just wanna do big punch, maybe after i clear 32 heat on every weapon I'll do some speed runs

[lament coral]

so yeah, Ruthless seems like a no brainer with how early you get the dashes

[torpid abyss]

Ruthless is no brainer lol

[torpid turret]

Yeah really, not sure why I didn't think of it before

Gonna go do some runs with it and see how it goes

[torpid abyss]

For example with athena dash, deflecting attacks automatically triggers ruthless

You don't even have to be "close"

[lament coral]

do you stream the runs?

[torpid turret]

Discord stream sometimes

[lament coral]

ah, bummer

[torpid abyss]

And the damage boost along the literal 50% chance to not take damage

[torpid turret]

In the speedrunning discord

Otherwise idk how to stream lol

I record all my runs tho

[lament coral]

ask Haelian, start streaming your WRs, get easy partnership, start making money hand over fist

[torpid turret]

Ah im def not looking to ditch my current job for streaming haha

[torpid abyss]

Pro tip: Do half a dash press to perform an exploit in the game that allows you to build up negative speed. Go through the door and start a new run using negative speed and you'll uhhh start the run at the final stage

[hushed ledge]

Yes very deep understanding of 0.5A presses

[torpid abyss]

You can also use this trick to go back into the pool of styx and abuse a glitch that replaces every single chamber of Tartarus with Caos' rooms

However you must input the konami code seven times through the loading screen after leaving Zag's room

[wicked raft]

On a crazy run with both ice wine and scintillating feast duo

Elysiums monsters barely have time to move before dying 😄

[torpid abyss]

What call?

We need more damage that bypasses shields

[wicked raft]

There is shield bypass dmg?

[torpid abyss]

Apparently?

Some do?

AoE will damage as long as the center is behind them

Sometimes????

[lament coral]

bow's powershot pierces em

[hushed ledge]

Does it?

[lament coral]

it does

[torpid abyss]

But then i have to play bow and use power shot

[hushed ledge]

I know some boons/hammers specifically do

[wicked raft]

Oh, you mean greatshields

[torpid abyss]

I don't wanna play bow until they fix the bug

[wicked raft]

Yeah, ice wine bypasses shields

Two casts and shields are dead

[stable fossil]

the hammer upgrade that makes your shots pierce also bypasses exalted shields

[wicked raft]

scintillating fog then auto kills the eye thing

Its nice

[hushed ledge]

Artemis cast/call, shield bull rush projectile hammer

I believe

[torpid abyss]

Kinda fun how shield with hammer is a better bow than the bow

[wicked raft]

Most casts bypass shields I think

[hushed ledge]

What bow bug?

[wicked raft]

Ares blades things also bypass shield

[torpid abyss]

The bug that prevents fun from happening while the bow is equipped krappa

[hushed ledge]

Ah so no bug

[torpid abyss]

For real tho

I don't like power shot

[hushed ledge]

I really enjoy it lol

[wicked raft]

Same. Bow is nice

But chiron aspect > power shot imo

[hushed ledge]

Or just both?

[wicked raft]

Why time power shot when you can just spam Q

Both works.

[hushed ledge]

Power shot is a core part of the weapon

[wicked raft]

But boons usually go towards special

When I run bow

[hushed ledge]

And learning the timings for the attack and dash attack power shots

[torpid abyss]

If you get good boons for special sometimes getting a powershot is a detriment for the dps

[hushed ledge]

It forces you to commit which is really fun imo

[wicked raft]

Bow with alot of boon specials can get completely bonkers.

[hushed ledge]

Bow is very feast or famine

[wicked raft]

I've honestly been ignoring most of the attack boons when I use bow

[hushed ledge]

You play Chiron tbf

That's reasonable

[wicked raft]

Had a run with artemis epic attack, 2 chaos attack buffs and a hammer range attk upgrade. Was still less powerful than just building special up

^this was with zag aspect

[hushed ledge]

Ah

Hmm

[torpid abyss]

I feel some hammers for bow are odd tho

[hushed ledge]

Bow definitely has lots of weird hammers

[torpid abyss]

For example the ones that add more arrows to the attack

[hushed ledge]

Double and triple shot are meaningfully different

[torpid abyss]

It has twon different ones for some reason?

[hushed ledge]

It's more stuff like flurry shot just being so awful feeling to use

[torpid abyss]

The idea of flurry shot is that it should provide more ticks of damage per second instead of constant burtsts

[wicked raft]

Ice wine with scintillating is so strong. Beat extreme measures Thesus in about 15sec

[hushed ledge]

Flurry shot goes against the whole reason to play bow though

[torpid abyss]

However the base damage of the arrows the fact flurry isn't THAT fast...

[hushed ledge]

Imo

[torpid abyss]

It's a game chaning hammer

[wicked raft]

Yeah, so many of the bow boons are underwhelming imo

[hushed ledge]

If you wanted to play flurry you'd play rail

[torpid abyss]

It's fine if it changes how you play

[wicked raft]

If you pick flurry shot, its because you have a attack boon like zeus or dionysis

[torpid abyss]

But flurry needs functional tweaks as to make the hammer worth using

[hushed ledge]

Why are you using either of those on bow though?

[wicked raft]

Because rng hates you

[torpid abyss]

I wonder how can it change with the 4th aspect tho

So far it seems 4th aspects all introduce a new moveset that has a comoletely new playstyle

[wicked raft]

Arthur and Guan Yuan are both really fun

[hushed ledge]

Curved arrows

[wicked raft]

Guan Yu is the only spear I enjoy using

[hushed ledge]

Calling it now

[torpid abyss]

But considering the bow's quirks being the only innate powershot weapon, what might be...?

Arthur is honestly great but needs a better animation

I just want to know how big the sword really is

[hushed ledge]

I definitely wish there was an option to just have visuals for hitboxes in this game

[torpid abyss]

The size of the sprite makes me subconsciously get way closer than i need

[stable fossil]

TFW you find a new bug

If you kill Bone Hydra mid uppercut you get stuck in the animation and can superman around the room

[wicked raft]

Haha 🙂

[torpid abyss]

Also can i be somewat honest with the Perfect shot hammer?

I kinda wish it had a little more "oomph"

[wicked raft]

Imo, I think bow has the same issue as exagryph

Where you could build "X"

[hushed ledge]

Bow suffers a lot from bonuses being additive tbh

[wicked raft]

But its far stronger to just go bomb build

[torpid abyss]

The game could use more base damage hammers

[wicked raft]

With bow you could do "X", but special spam with Chiron or attack / crit stack with Zagreus are the strongest builds.

[torpid abyss]

But say

[wicked raft]

vs things like chaos shield, where you can build with literally any hammer / boon combo

[torpid abyss]

What if flurry shot instead replaced power shots with a flurry of max charge regular shots?

[tepid sentinel]

Chaos shield charged special also apply most boon effects right? Just double checking

[tidal thorn]

I'm not sure what they can't apply.

Pretty sure it's just everything your special could apply.

[desert fable]

Any recommendations for boons with the Excalibur aspect?

[tidal thorn]

Athena attack is always fun. Crit attack for CHONK numbers.

Ares on special isn't bad. Aphro special scale the best and is never bad.

Hunters Dash is dope.

[torpid turret]

@lament coral Did quite a few runs, overall it was slower

You'd think it'd make that time up later, but it's really not that different. You already kill things so quickly it's hardly a difference

More noticable on bosses, but you can already burst them down to invulnerable phase very quickly

Def not retiring the idea, when haelian takes back the WR I'll give it a lot more attempts

[opal bay]

hey, how crazy does it sound that I found 7 boons and a hammer and all in Tartarus?

without even re-rolling.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/693357831436501053/20200328101315_1.jpg and 5 out of 7 boons are all epic. Ngl I am feeling pretty lucky.

That is possibly the dumbest start I ever had, considering there was also a crossroad between a shop and Sisyphus so I couldn't even use a reroll lol.

[turbid needle]

... 7 god boons + a hammer

nice

In Tartarus too

[opal bay]

YES. Eurydice showed up and upgraded my Aphro call to heroic and my attack too.

[torpid abyss]

Tfw tartarus won't give me Sisyphus to get Shady

[dense locust]

They're also outside of greek mythology

ah crap commented on the post on my screen instead of a recent post...

[lament coral]

@torpid turret ah, that is both surprising and unfortunate

[torpid turret]

Needs more testing for sure

In practice it sounds better, so I'll give it more hours of testing tomorrow

[opal bay]

Just had a room of flamewheels

which had teleportation and clone upgrade.

wait no

they are just fast and teleporting

Still.

[hybrid galleon]

ptsd

[dapper pilot]

nyoom

Cue the Benny hill theme as Zag dashes desperately around trying to get them to run into walls

[dense locust]

I don't understand why anyone would put two levels of Benefits Package unless they are going for 33+ heat

I mean I do, but once I face a group of cloned and lasered anything, I wonder why I chose 2 levels Benefits Package

[opal bay]

so I somehow got HUNTING BLADES as my third boon after getting Artemis's attack and Aris Cast.

????

that's some luck indeed

[sly sonnet]

Easy run

[opal bay]

I should mention that Eurydice was kind enough to make my cast heroic too.

[sly sonnet]

I used to never use casts

[turbid needle]

You get Vicious Cycle or Dual Shot?

[sly sonnet]

And now cast runs are literally what I run 60 % of the time

2 out of 3 runs are cast runs for me lol

hunting blades and demeter lasers are love

haven't tried any other combos

[opal bay]

I could have gotten epic dual shot, but it was right with the duo.

[sly sonnet]

festive fog seems only useful for clearing rooms

[turbid needle]

Nah, it's good for bosses, too.

It's the prereq for Scintillating Feast and Black Out.

[sly sonnet]

Yeah how does the zeus dio duo

[opal bay]

I remember when I had dual cast for fog

[sly sonnet]

like how useful is it

[opal bay]

it just killed Hades insane way

[sly sonnet]

I havent gotten that duo boon

[opal bay]

Since I also had like 7 casts total

so whoops

[turbid needle]

Oh, wow.

[sly sonnet]

3 casts + chaos + artemis legendary

gives you 7

I always go for hermes rapid cast when I do cast builds

I should try a festive fog run

see how it works

[opal bay]

but yeah this Crit Arthur aspect+ Hunting Blades run going pretty well.

[sly sonnet]

Any other good casts ? I have used demeter poseidon ares mostly

and a bit of artemis but wasnt useful since I didnt have the poseidon sword now I do

[turbid needle]

Scintillating Feast requires Trippy Shot and any Zeus core boon.

[opal bay]

And I got +30% to attack speed, nice

[turbid needle]

Makes lightning strike every second or so for 60 base damage inside the Festive Fog.

[sly sonnet]

oof

60 base

is a lot

[turbid needle]

It is.

[sly sonnet]

demeter + poseidon dual cast

is probs the most broken right now

[opal bay]

also WOAH I am getting quite a lot of fountain rooms this run

I got all THREE fountain rooms

[sly sonnet]

Good run

[opal bay]

two of which had hammers

so uh

what should I go for hammer? Can get double nova, shadow presence or wave attack

I already got the hammer so that when I attack in dash it does double hit

tbh tempted to get backstab 200% damage because I already got some from mirror upgrade

woah woah

Pat after fountain room? nice

and also shop

right after pat room hmmm

[turbid needle]

Not sitting on any Chaos curses/Rare Crop, are you?

[opal bay]

I have had only one Chaos boon

which just increased the amount of enemies per room, for very basic +39% cast damage.

oh I got Athro/Aris duo, nice

well I beat my time record

[clear dome]

athro?

[turbid needle]

Well done.

[opal bay]

14:57

finally I have gone past 20 minutes mark.

[clear dome]

how to do that?

[opal bay]

critical backstab with Arthur's aspect is a lot

I swore I dealt 3k damage to Hades there

also hunting blades https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/693413281607450634/20200328135457_1.jpg

I lost DD only at Hades since I decided to just power through it

[sly sonnet]

classic

I always burn all my DD on final boss because I don't feel like dodging sometimes

[clear dome]

assuming you have DD on that dude

[sly sonnet]

Although I did get a no damage final boss the other day

Guan Yu special + Artemis Special + Crit did like 1k damage per hit

Melted final boss

[opal bay]

I am honestly vibing on doing Artemis based runs

[clear dome]

artemis based runs are repetitive

[sly sonnet]

They can be

[opal bay]

That's why I change up on weapon every run

[sly sonnet]

But I really like artemis on bow that locks in on you

[clear dome]

it adds a mechanic that always exist in other games

[sly sonnet]

I get the fire extra arrow

boon

pressure points and the hammer that gives you extra arrows on special

and I see like 10 HOMING arrows fly at one enemy at once

Very fun

[clear dome]

so basically downplayed artemis aid

very kool

[sly sonnet]

Artemis aid but if you had it constantly

And then if you can pick up that too

its just a meme arrow run

[clear dome]

that will be terrifying

[sly sonnet]

Although 75% of the time I pick Aphro aid

because it does most damage

at full bars

[clear dome]

actually athena can do more damage, depending on the build

[sly sonnet]

Atehna's does damage ?

Unless you mean like deflect

damage

[clear dome]

well, you have full invincibility so you can deal over 3000 dmg freely

[sly sonnet]

Ah true, but that is more build based

I was talking about just pure 4 bars call

without looking at what you have for combo

[clear dome]

well, poseidon can deal more, if you can control it

[sly sonnet]

Hm havent used poseidon much

might try

[clear dome]

it is damn hard to control though

[sly sonnet]

I just like pressing a single button and seeing hydra go poof

[turbid needle]

Poseidon also locks you out from the rest of your build.

[clear dome]

at least its better than ares

[turbid needle]

So if you were relying on Privileged Status, hope you had Curse of Longing and Epic Empty Inside.

Oh, no, not with Vicious Cycle.

[clear dome]

vicious cycle is rare

[turbid needle]

Not super?

It's pretty easy to force, honestly.

[clear dome]

i never build casts so it took a really long time for it to show up with the dash

[turbid needle]

Did you take Engulfing Vortex or Black Metal as soon as you saw them?

[clear dome]

yes

[turbid needle]

Don't know what to tell you.

[dense locust]

They still haven't fixed the bug where if you're moving while you use poseidon call, you shoot of in the direction you were moving when you used it

[opal bay]

got a diamond from Poseidon's hidden treasure boon

thanks, Uncle.

[granite lava]

@opal bay yes it's only a 0.03% chance

[opal bay]

oh wow

I am that lucky today in Hades

[tacit dragon]

How does the keepsakes that affects boon from Olympians work? "The next boon you find will be from xxxxxx. % chance to be rare or better". I tried but I found a different Olympian boon? And is it only good for 1x boon?

[dense locust]

Once you get the boon from that god's keepsake, the keepsake is essentially used up

[timber temple]

This is a really difficult decision
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676649852905455667/693446380701876265/Hades_28-Mar-20_8_07_17.png

2 boons or THE Hammer

[tacit dragon]

Thanks!

[dense locust]

Hmm what hammer did you have already?

[clear dome]

just take the boons

you have more chances at the hammer latsr

[timber temple]

Explosive fire

[opal bay]

yeah the hammer is very likely to end up in the end afterwards

[timber temple]

double boons over the hammer aye

[dense locust]

I disagree, you cant get duos from the boons but you could get rocketbomb

from the hammer

Is that heroic artemis special?

Although you are full life full dds so the decision probably doesn't matter much

[quasi arrow]

Quick question: If I have Chiron Aspect and I get Chain Shot upgrade, should it cancel out my Chiron ability?

[dense locust]

Double boons are great if you still need to fill main boons (attack, special, cast, dash, call). to get the tier 2 boons for a god's legendary, or if you need boons to sell due tothe heat condition, but I would probably go hammer in this case for the chance of getting rocket bomb or something to enhance the special

No but it does make the target of your special less predictable

IDK if the special still pierces enemies, but I used to love taking chain shot because on top of hitting multiple enemies, it would target the enemy in the back and then my special would pierce everything in its way to hit the enemy that was targeted

[turbid needle]

Chiron Special has never worked like that, though.

It's never been able to pierce.

[dense locust]

Are you positive on that?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[quasi arrow]

Chain shot is the chain bounce effect. That works but the Chiron target lock seems to have been voided out.

[turbid needle]

It will chew through targets quickly, but has never pierced enemies.

The target lock goes on the last enemy in the chain, @quasi arrow

[dense locust]

Maybe thats what I remember then

[turbid needle]

I asked one of the devs some time in the past and the reason why they won't spawn together is that the arrows on Chiron then never despawn so it's an angry cloud of infinitely damaging arrows.

[quasi arrow]

@turbid needle so it won't work one-on-one and it has to chain.

[slow bane]

Finally defeated Tisiphone for the first time

using the sword. I was testing out the Posedion aspect

[turbid needle]

Chain Shot doesn't do anything 1v1, but Chiron's target lock still does.

[slow bane]

My curent loadout is... well...

[quasi arrow]

@turbid needle Not for me right now. I guess this counts as a bug.

[slow bane]

Just Flurry Shot

i had Crush Shot and Drunken Fluroish but i purged them

[turbid needle]

Your Chiron Special doesn't work after attacking a lone enemy?

[slow bane]

i question the posedion aspect use to be honest

I dont realy have anything to make the shots any good

[turbid needle]

It got Casts hella nerfed.

[slow bane]

Hrm...

[quasi arrow]

Ohh wait. my bad.

[slow bane]

gotta find a new cast boon

I don't realy like Aphroditie's. caused too much trouble against Tisiphone. hence i purged it

[quasi arrow]

I accidentally chose Zag aspect.

[dense locust]

haha

I love your honesty

[slow bane]

Turns out Aspect of Poesideon and Ares' cast boon dont work with eachother

seeing as they dont lodge into enemies

[turbid needle]

They get the damage bonus.

[silver seal]

http://prntscr.com/rocqmb

🤔

[wary dome]

it's a pom

seen somethng like that previously

[mental pollen]

I DI IT !!!! https://zupimages.net/up/20/13/ip8y.png

[earnest ravine]

ohhhhhh my god

[opal bay]

hol up

57 heat

how

[mental pollen]

I still tremble is so f*king hard

50s remaining for elysium

[slow bane]

He's a mad man! aaa maaaaad maaaan~

but seriously. thats impressive

[mental pollen]

i hate him https://zupimages.net/up/20/13/lv57.png

[full swift]

Wow that is really neat

If I may ask, why did you choose to run companion Fidi

[mental pollen]

i like fidi 😊

[full swift]

Ah ok

[mental pollen]

and petrified is strong

[full swift]

I always for get I'm carrying a companion

How much hours do you have in the game?

Because I'm still struggling with 11~12 heat in normal mode...

[mental pollen]

100h steam, idk Epic games

[dense locust]

I don't really believe you beat it on 57 heat, but if you have a video, then congrats!

[weak rivet]

is that the god mode icon there

or the opposite

[turbid needle]

yea that's the godmode symbol

[earnest ravine]

Still feels like that's not diminishing the accomplishment too much. Since with all of those modifiers? You're still at a pretty hefty disadvantage.

[stiff stone]

Not to be a downer, but I don't think it's possible, not through Elysium with 60% overtime on a 7 min times, with fists of all things, and one life.

[hasty oracle]

What's a good build for the sword? Nemesis and Poseidon

[stiff stone]

this

https://imgur.com/a/seC6diI

[tacit dragon]

https://imgur.com/a/9ygaX5v

First clear on 21st run

[solid cairn]

Which aspect?

[turbid needle]

it's a first clear, so no aspect

gratz!

[solid cairn]

May try an eris rail run later

Haven’t played it since before cluster bomb was a thing

[tacit dragon]

Cheers. Not really sure what first aspects to start with

[tidal thorn]

Shotgun Eris is redic.

If you get the hammer.

[tacit dragon]

Tbh. Haven't tried the rail yet. It seems sweet. Also some nice aoe vids I saw for shield. Gonna play around. Thanks for the head up!

8 sec after 'absorbing' special blast deal more dog: what's this mean? Enemies hit by special get hit harder for 8 sec?

Dmg*

[haughty surge]

What is your favorite shield aspect and why?

I have trouble thinking of a fun build with Chaos aspect 😄

[tacit dragon]

I unlocked Zeus aspect for shield. Blitz disc. Haven't played yet just on smelly. It's super neat when you special then recall but dash around and you got a spinning death following you

Skelly*

[haughty surge]

I see

[rancid shore]

8 sec after 'absorbing' special blast deal more dmg: what's this mean? Enemies hit by special get hit harder for 8 sec?
This means Zag has to get hit by the special and then he does more damage for 8 seconds @tacit dragon

[solid cairn]

ok I lost the eris run with hades at like a sliver of health

I feel like im just bad at this game

[tacit dragon]

I see. Interesting. Thanks!

[solid cairn]

WHAT

there was a chaos gate I missed because it was hiding in a corner

[surreal jolt]

Anyone have a good shield chaos aspect video to watch? I've tried it a few times but I just don't see how this aspect is broken

[fallow niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxgzN1ZAry0

@surreal jolt

8:06 run

mind you I think this has hydra skip in it, so ~30 seconds saved but still

you can replicate this in 8:36 easily

its not broken as much as just very, very good

not the easiest for people to 'break' normally

its more like its specifically Explosive Return and Privileged Status

And very good boon combos

[solid cairn]

why does this game feel like a chore sometimes

[tacit dragon]

Quick question. Realised when you click on ur boons a lock icon appears. What's the significance?

[solid cairn]

I can't deal with elysium

can someone give me advice on how to make this game fun

[tacit dragon]

You need a break from the game :d

[last nacelle]

You need more damage.

Elysium is when everything starts having too much HP.

Styx is worse by a magnitude.

[solid cairn]

jury summons is the worst

every room takes forever and I straight up lose motivation to keep going

[last nacelle]

Styx is the reason why people use Poseidon knockback enhancers at all.

[solid cairn]

I don't have an issue with styx

[covert tide]

@solid cairn if it’s not fun for you like this, maybe practice with god mode for a while?

[solid cairn]

ive beaten 16 heat before

[covert tide]

Oh so what are you having trouble with?

[solid cairn]

that im just constantly taking chip damage because elysium rooms are so long

and it's really irritating

[covert tide]

Sorry, I just thought you were asking about how to make it fun because it’s feeling too hard

If jury summons is making it less fun then take a different pact layout?

I can’t stand jury summons either, I only play with the mandatory one tick of it on hell mode

I find Elysium rooms are alright unless too many shield dudes show up

Or if benefits package makes the eyeballs make a bunch of exploding copies

[solid cairn]

idk what to use in place of it tho

[covert tide]

What ones are you taking?

You’re trying 17 heat?

I would do... 2 ranks tight deadline (5), one rank of benefits (2), 3 ranks of extreme measures (5), one of calisthenics (1), one of lasting consequences (1), one forced overtime (3)

But it depends on your own preference too

[solid cairn]

I'm grinding with other weapons

I can only use guan yu effectively lmao

[covert tide]

Oh yeah then I’d just do tight deadline until you’re at 5 with everything haha

No need to suffer through jury summons

[fallow niche]

@solid cairn Just never use Jury Summons

I play on 32 heat a lot and I absolutely never use that part of the pact

its the legit worst

Extreme Measures is free heat and you should be getting used to Forced Overtime normally

One point of damage control if you're using a fast hit weapon or something similar

Middle Management isn't so bad imo

Convenience Fee is also not bad when you learn to play around it

Hard Labor and Lasting Consequences are the two ones that are really skill dependent on how hard they make it for a lot of people, some may find a bit of them may be free heat while others find it much harder since they're not as good at dashing out of attacks

[solid cairn]

aight game is a lot more fun now

thanks

also eris with cluster bomb and artemis special is insane

especially with the hammer that slows down enemies in the radius

[hearty pilot]

how long did y'all take to get used to 40% FO? it feels like hell ._.

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693244572721086504/693538065704026207/unknown.png fastest run yet

that was really good

[fallow niche]

@solid cairn Clusterbomb is great and with artemis its WEW

bonus points for cluster + rocket

its ABSURD dps

tho you only get that build going by elysium is still incredible

[solid cairn]

how is sword not sub 20

[fallow niche]

@hearty pilot Fairly quickly, you just need to remember enemy attack patterns and their ranges

[solid cairn]

eris spread shot is really fun too but unfortunately i did not get it

[fallow niche]

Spread fire is extremely powerful

makes Zag aspect good

[solid cairn]

very rng reliant tho

also I gotta spend my titan blood on demeter aspect

[fallow niche]

Not really from my experience

Just need a good attack boon + spread fire

[covert tide]

@hearty pilot I got used to it, and then as the heat for other things climbed I decided to try ticking it down and bumping heat elsewhere... everything feels so slow now it’s okay that they do more damage

[solid cairn]

I think I like eris rail better than hestia

[hearty pilot]

hm

ic

prolly doesn't help that im using the bow though

[solid cairn]

I hate using bow

[hearty pilot]

i can only tolerate the bow lol

[solid cairn]

arthur aspect struggles vs force overtime as well

[covert tide]

Yeah I play sword and fists so can’t really advise about the bow

[solid cairn]

fists are amazing if you get the range up

[hearty pilot]

wait is this with ruthless or greater reflex

cause im using ruthless

regarding FO

[fallow niche]

Bow is slow but good

Takes getting used to

[solid cairn]

I am not a fan of cast builds

[fallow niche]

I am a huge fan of cast builds

[hearty pilot]

need to get used to power shot dash striking

[fallow niche]

Poseidon sword all the way

❤️

[hearty pilot]

if only i could load casts while charging

😔

[fallow niche]

On Hera? Yeahhhhh

That's a huge annoyance

[solid cairn]

I pretty much only use casts for applying status

[hearty pilot]

anyway are y'all using greater to spam invulnerability for 40% FO?

or hermes ig

[covert tide]

I use greater reflex but I did try out ruthless and it has its strengths

[solid cairn]

demeter fists with artemis special is kinda like cluster bomb but very short range

[hearty pilot]

hrnnnng i dont wanna ever use divine dash but i feel like i might have to at this atk speed

[covert tide]

Once I found out dodge stacks the bad way I stopped using ruthless though

[solid cairn]

yeah extra dashes are very good

who else uses stygian soul btw

[hearty pilot]

i wish stygian worked with hera but nop :c

[solid cairn]

I don't use casts for damage so I use it a lot

[hearty pilot]

for PS?

[solid cairn]

also anyone feel like golden touch is underpowered

[hearty pilot]

a tad

i feel like 30% would be better but thats also a lot

but i felt like it was 30% at some point

so i was surprised when it was 15% only

[solid cairn]

yeah you have to skip shops to even get it to be better than the starting money

and by then you only have the styx shop left

[hearty pilot]

well it doesn't take that long lmao

[fallow niche]

I hate stygian soul

[hearty pilot]

past tartarus you already accumulate more than the 100

[solid cairn]

maybe increase it to 20%

[fallow niche]

Its real bad for cast builds imo

[hearty pilot]

stygian doesn't allow for cast burst

[solid cairn]

for non-cast builds it is good

[fallow niche]

Yeah for non-cast builds its less annoying to pick up the tiny things

But for cast builds its not good

[hearty pilot]

but anyway you just don't take charon which is fine bc you're still getting a free boon/heart

the only time where you would need the 100 obol is if you hit a well and can't get a trove and/or ixion

[solid cairn]

also anyone think family favorite is a little underpowered as well

[hearty pilot]

other than that its not really worth using, especially if you run coinpurse

i think its fine tbh

i like ff bc i can ignore half the olympians lmaoooo

i dont need to take secondary status effects thank goodness

most of the time those were a waste of a boon regardless

[covert tide]

I use Stygian soul but I prioritize getting extra bloodstones from chaos

[solid cairn]

tbh the only ones that need changes badly are fiery presence, abyssal blood, high confidence, and god's chosen

they are all very bad

[hearty pilot]

abyssal's decent

but you almost never use casts defensively

[solid cairn]

abyssal blood is a bit above

[turbid needle]

God's Chosen is additional spawns but no Epic chance?

[solid cairn]

fiery should be 80% damage instead of undamaged

[hearty pilot]

fiery is useful if you're running damage control to set up burst

[covert tide]

I like abyssal blood but with both options for that talent I don’t like that certain casts just don’t work at all, like demeter, Dionysus, ares

Because they don’t lodge

[hearty pilot]

high confidence is very unforgiving but its useful to ramp up early in a biome, especially if you're running TD

[solid cairn]

I had an idea for high confidence where it's like the acorn. You have bonus damage until you take x amount of hits in a room

[hearty pilot]

thats a cool idea tbh

did you suggest it?

[solid cairn]

I think so

[covert tide]

I hate high confidence, feels like it only helps if you’re already winning anyway

[solid cairn]

could suck with damage over time though

[hearty pilot]

i only take hc bc thick skin is pretty bad

[covert tide]

I don’t think it’s bad

[hearty pilot]

well the only real dot is styx which is a mess in of itself tbh

[solid cairn]

asphodel

[covert tide]

A lot of healing scales with total health

[hearty pilot]

how often do you run into lava?

[solid cairn]

too much

[hearty pilot]

hm

hell mode has auto lowered health so i can't remove that ._.

[covert tide]

I play hell mode

[hearty pilot]

and still run thick skin?

[covert tide]

What lowered health? You mean lasting consequences?

[hearty pilot]

interesting

yes

[solid cairn]

as for god's chosen, maybe a small chance to have 4 boon choices instead of 3?

[hearty pilot]

tbh idk if they should bother

[covert tide]

Yeah I run thick skin and I’m not like among the really amazing players but I can win on pretty high heat, 26 or so

[hearty pilot]

what would be competitive enough to sway over the % boon talents?

me neither lmao

im still at 14 hrnnnng

[solid cairn]

I have beaten 16

because guan yu and athena attack is broken

[hearty pilot]

makes sense

[solid cairn]

tbh the legendary chance is a unique alternative to rare chance

I like the idea of it

god's chosen tho

[hearty pilot]

tis a tad low though the increased prereq boons wasn't a good thing imo

[solid cairn]

what's the point of higher chance of hammers when you get 2 in every run anyway

[hearty pilot]

true

the game almost forces them down your throat

[solid cairn]

also please fix fated persuasion

why does it cost x+1 to reroll

[hearty pilot]

🤷

[solid cairn]

I use it anyway

[hearty pilot]

i think they will soon^TM

[solid cairn]

but like

[hearty pilot]

since nobody expected that

its just a slap in the face

[solid cairn]

it's weird

[hearty pilot]

extra cost + higher opportunity cost

like

[fallow niche]

fated persuasion ain't good

[hearty pilot]

its really good with customs

[fallow niche]

eh

[covert tide]

I love fated persuasion but I think it should either cost more darkness or have increased cost to reroll multiple times, not both

[hearty pilot]

so you're not forced to drop a vital boon

[solid cairn]

it's bad for reasons that seem unintentional

[fallow niche]

its very cool but you just don't get enough rerolls to make it worth it

[solid cairn]

yeah

[fallow niche]

the extra post per reroll is fine but you just don't get enough overall

[solid cairn]

it is bad

[fallow niche]

and it doesn't work on hammers

[hearty pilot]

the n+1 is really bad

[fallow niche]

it should work on all choice rewards not just boons

and you should get more

[hearty pilot]

i dont mind the extra darkness so as long as it isn't 2x + 5k

[fallow niche]

the x+1 cost thing is fine

[hearty pilot]

because thats a weird calculation

i disagree immensely

[solid cairn]

having it work on hammers would be huge

[hearty pilot]

from a pure design standpoint, its a big slap in the face because the expectation was that it was supposed to reflect FA

but they added taxes onto it that no one expected

and were fairly unnecessary

hammers + no n+1 would be great

[fallow niche]

Just giving more at the start would fix the x+1 thing

Starting with 4 makes it like impossible to use more than a few times ever

Making it totally meh

It just has a significantly lower impact on the run

[hearty pilot]

eh once you start to memorize boons then you can figure out when to best use it

and also it allows you to spam wells as well as mitigate customs

[covert tide]

I’m pretty sure forge10 knows all the boons

[fallow niche]

Customs is not even a problem 99% of the time anyway

I play 32 heat a lot and memorized all the boons and how to get them

And I do NOT use Persuasion

[solid cairn]

It feels like SG actively doesn’t want players to use persuasion

[turbid needle]

The moment Customs is a problem is when you have like 2 boons in Tartarus LOL

[hearty pilot]

i wasn't implying that he didn't lol just that it gets better as time goes on

[fallow niche]

Probably still wouldn't even after being buffed in every way possible

[hearty pilot]

sometimes i feel like customs comes for my soul when it tries to take out all of my useful boons lol

[fallow niche]

@turbid needle Then you didn't really plan accordingly and get more boons, which Fated Authority helps you get and Persuasion doesn't

[turbid needle]

It does, honestly.

[hearty pilot]

so i appreciate persuasion allowing me to reroll a dump a worse one

[turbid needle]

Lots and lots of "You wanna purge Hunting Blades, Slicing Shot, or Fully Loaded?"

[fallow niche]

Customs is evil but its still no No Choice or whatever its called now

[turbid needle]

Yeah, "No Choice" is definitely worse.

[fallow niche]

also schpoon you got exit wounds on your hunting blades build?

[hearty pilot]

idk why they keep changing the name

[turbid needle]

But then you get no rolls, and sometimes it does happen

Pre-NN, duh.

[fallow niche]

Lmao

of course

[turbid needle]

That I roll and not get too many opportunies for boons

The point being that the twixt-biome Pool tends to want to eat your most essential boons.

But like yeah, more often than not it's whatever

[hearty pilot]

idk having that safety net over "i can change obol rooms to an extra boon" seems more useful

[fallow niche]

No it definitely is not

[turbid needle]

I still prefer fated over persuasion LOL

Like, free

[hearty pilot]

but i also don't ever feel the stress to need higher tier boons (not rarity) nor do i run 7 min TD

[turbid needle]

They're both Fated, it's Authority or Persuasion.

[hearty pilot]

^

FA or FP

[fallow niche]

Speaking from experience, proper usage of Authority is completely insane

[turbid needle]

... My bad LOL

[hearty pilot]

hm

[turbid needle]

Authority > Persuasion then

[hearty pilot]

i doubt that but you're also way more experienced at the game than me lmao

[fallow niche]

Its not simply get obals into random boon

[turbid needle]

Authority is better for the pure fact that you get the Olympians you want.

^

^^^^^^

[fallow niche]

It lets you quickly achieve Privileged Position and sculpt the build you want in advance

[turbid needle]

I left Asphodel with 200 HP on the last FP run I did, but like 6 boons total.

[hearty pilot]

like ive never felt the need to actively want a specific olympian lol

[fallow niche]

You may never get enough of the god you want either in any given seed

[hearty pilot]

cause i run ff

[fallow niche]

Zeus builds mandate Authority

[hearty pilot]

and i rarely need many boons of one particular god

[solid cairn]

Fated fate

[fallow niche]

Privileged Status is also something that loves Authority

[hearty pilot]

i dont go for zeus unless its for call boons

family favorite smh

[turbid needle]

Full Zeus Malphon/Exagryph runs are pretty terrifying, actually.

[fallow niche]

Family Favorite is far inferior to Privileged Status still

[turbid needle]

Eh.

[hearty pilot]

i disagree

[solid cairn]

Family favorite should be like +1%

[fallow niche]

The only exception is Artemis builds

The only exception

[hearty pilot]

PS forces you to need two boons for status effects

[turbid needle]

You'll almost always have at least 6 gods by the Champions, that's enough for me.

[hearty pilot]

ff means you can drop half the cast

[solid cairn]

Put one on dash

[fallow niche]

Yes, and that's why you use Authority to get them

[hearty pilot]

i will legit never take athena now

[turbid needle]

Why? She has the best Dash in the game.

^

[hearty pilot]

thats exactly why

[solid cairn]

Legit the chances of you getting a dash that gives status

[hearty pilot]

i find divine dash obnoxious

[solid cairn]

Is high

[hearty pilot]

so i dont ever run it

[turbid needle]

👌

[hearty pilot]

also exposed is uglyyyyyy

[solid cairn]

Also casts with status

[fallow niche]

The difference is that how long till you get Priv Status without Authority?

[hearty pilot]

w h y i s i t g r e e n

[fallow niche]

I can usually get it early into Tartarus with Authority

[hearty pilot]

i dont run PS

[fallow niche]

Possibly even by my second gold laurel room

Significantly empowers the build

[solid cairn]

You gotta play in a certain way for PS to work

[fallow niche]

Then I can sculpt legendaries or duos by repeatedly taking the same gods

[hearty pilot]

am i the only that didn't notice the laurels were different until like 50 hours in

[solid cairn]

But it takes like 7x family favorite to surpass it

[hearty pilot]

i think im at the point where ive failed so much at 14 heat that the game is pitying me i can feel it trying to force duos on me lmao

[fallow niche]

Nah I only noticed like 10 hours in too

Its not an immediate thought to have

Like 'of course the laurels mean something' nah son

[hearty pilot]

imo ff's biggest strength is that you don't need to rely on wasting boons

*boon choices

[solid cairn]

You need at least 1 boon from 7 gods to surpass PS in damage

[fallow niche]

^

Its a lot

[hearty pilot]

correct but its not all about surpassing the damage

[solid cairn]

It is

[hearty pilot]

no

[fallow niche]

It is

[hearty pilot]

i just explained why it wasn't

[rancid shore]

It's not meant to surpass it though

[hearty pilot]

you can disagree with that

[rancid shore]

It's an alternative; that's the point

[solid cairn]

There are ways to apply PS easily

[hearty pilot]

but claiming that the only point is surpassing damage is just ignorant

[fallow niche]

That's not what we're talking about penguins though

Now you're just insulting people who disagree with you

[turbid needle]

No, it's not just about getting bigger damage.

[fallow niche]

When you just complained about people not respecting your own opinion

[turbid needle]

The fact that Family Favorite is always on is a big factor.

[hearty pilot]

im not. i literally said above that the biggest advantage was that you don't need to rely on wasting boon choices

[solid cairn]

Is it really?

[hearty pilot]

namely with secondary status effects

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[fallow niche]

But so is Privileged Status when you use it right

[turbid needle]

"when you use it right"

[solid cairn]

Because on a lot of runs I can consistent get PS on whatever enemy I want constantly

[fallow niche]

I never not have it applied when I actually get two status

Like only the very first hit isn't applied

That's it

[hearty pilot]

so its not all about getitng the higiher damage value. moreso about having more opportunity to get better boons than "your effects now do this" to trigger PS

[fallow niche]

Second hit they have it

[turbid needle]

And you keep perfect 100% up-time on all enemies after the first hit?

[solid cairn]

Sometimes you want the status effects anyway

[fallow niche]

Pretty much since most statuses have an aoe to them @turbid needle

[turbid needle]

I don't disagree, having Weak in the pocket or Deflect on Dash is really good.

[fallow niche]

All the dashes do

[hearty pilot]

rarely. only time i ever want a secondary status is rupture on sniper builds

[fallow niche]

And they have decent time limits on them

Its not hard knowing the tempo to keep them up all the time

[hearty pilot]

oh i suppose it doesn't help that i never use special so PS isn't super great for me personally

[fallow niche]

That's the biggest reason to not care about all this imho @hearty pilot

Playstyle

PS has bigger damage but realistically we're not all speedrunners

We're playing for fun

This isn't a competitive game

[solid cairn]

I like high damage

[turbid needle]

Demeter is huge for Priviledged, Aphrodite, Ares and Dio are great as well, and you can always get an extra boon to get a status for Athena, Zeus and Poseidon. Artemis' is kinda sketch tho

[fallow niche]

me big number man too cinder

[solid cairn]

Tbh I very occasionally run FF

[turbid needle]

It's not the hardest thing to build

[fallow niche]

Yeah its not

Artemis is the biggest one out though