Just dash through and punish
#h1-builds-and-combat
hushed ledge
lament coral
though, that is not a story lord Hades would tell you
turbid needle
The Aspect of Chaos, much like fear, is for the weak.
errant narwhal
Malphon is fun
turbid needle
my first 32 clear was with Chaos
lament coral
you became the very thing you swore to destroy
hushed ledge
I'm probably going to end up leveling chaos/Demeter first because they're the ones that get the most from levels
proud storm
well guess what i lost
turbid needle
A single Death Defiance.
errant narwhal
I’m saving my titan blood to unlock more future aspects until I get more of it and they’re all in, bc I don’t have much right now
just like 12 of it iirc
lament coral
at least we know that all 4th aspects cost 15 blood
so you'd need 60 total to max out all weapons' 4th aspects
proud storm
what do you know i have 14
i want a rematch i forgot i could simply deflect his bloodstones instead of trying to get close to him
stuck bough
autumn tapir
https://imgur.com/a/lkJB3pi aspect of arthur is on another level
turbid needle
Moving into Elysium on Aspect of Demeter with full health, DDs, and all Shady charges.
untold blaze
Maybe there should be something in pins about the fact the FB is considered a spoiler-
lament coral
FB?
turbid needle
Final Boss.
Neither the identity of the final boss, nor their moveset, is considered spoilers here.
lament coral
this is gameplay, you cannot discuss gameplay without knowing what's what
autumn tapir
it's gameplay, you can't really spoil gameplay
turbid needle
Also: Just ran into Elite Longspears with vortex.
If you're near their endpoint of a leaping slam and you don't get out of the way before they start it, there is no escape.
They are, of course, simultaneously Bruisers.
Also, I got the dream: Six Olympians + Hermes with Family Favorite.
lament coral
more damage than PS
autumn tapir
family favorite is so good
turbid needle
Oh, shoot. Just sold my only Ares boon (again).
Whaddya know, guess who's in the shop?
covert tide
Ughhhh the other day I accidentally sold a vital Zeus boon
turbid needle
Those always hurt.
covert tide
I didn’t realize keypresses would trigger a sale
autumn tapir
my favorite mirror lineup is all green except the first four and Fated Authority
not related to the current conversation, I just wanted to share
lament coral
first four?
bronze mural
Just so you know this, the duo boon of poseidon and demeter Blizzard Shot (B button) is doing much much damage, i just hit 2k damage if i throw 3 of them, it's a little op
lament coral
so only 1 DD and dash?
turbid needle
Far far far and away my easiest 32 Heat clear. Long Knuckle is unquestionably Malphon's best Daedelus Hammer (arguably not for Talos), Aspect of Demeter might need adjusting still.
lament coral
leave Dem fist alone
turbid needle
What's your weapon?
ripe parrot
The Duo and Legendary are both so good ;;
I'm using Fists.
About to hit Thesues fight, have three DD and the enhanced Jerkey rn
turbid needle
Deadly Reversal.
tepid ridge
I agree. That many crits off of what looks like your basic will absolutely smash.
ripe parrot
Whoa I just killed Theseus and Asterius literally in the exact same frame
turbid needle
Spawn rates on Dual Shot and Exit Wounds haven't been turned down, have they? I haven't seen them in a minute.
tepid ridge
@hasty oracle Demeter’s aspect is viewed as being pretty busted, and I can confirm if you go with Artemis builds. Also getting the Daedalus Hammer called Long Knuckle on the gloves is apparently really great according to folks around here.
hasty oracle
@tepid ridge Thanks dude! Will try that. This game is really good and very addicting lol
tepid ridge
Have fun! Nice work on the win.
unborn birch
https://imgur.com/VNKBtn0 Finally got my first 32 heat win 
torpid turret
https://i.imgur.com/ytCMR77.png Even tho it's not WR anymore, this was awesome to see
quiet arrow
quick q, is excalibur special supposed to stop the guillotine trap in styx? im specifically referring to the one that just goes off at certain intervals
torpid turret
Oh psych https://i.imgur.com/CXL1Spy.jpg
unkempt pagoda
excalibur can stop traps that are on the floor, don't know if that includes the guillotine though
manic ermine
Jealous indeed
torpid turret
This run was absolutely nuts
Bonkers
Was not expecting to take back WR by a margin of 1min 25secs that's for sure
covert tide
Did you just spend the entire time dash-attacking?
torpid turret
Yup, lucked out on getting +3 dashes in tartarus so it was massive damage
Still can be improved
I had thanatos in asphodel, which was pretty quick, but still a time loss
I took way more health than I needed
covert tide
I wonder why they don’t have the timer stopped while Thanatos is talking
Or slowly traveling towards the exit...
Or contemplating whether you get a heart
And then saying goodbye
Lol maybe you need to start managing your number of hearts with him to get whatever results in the shortest emotes
torpid turret
Yeah
If you leave a boon/pom menu up after the thanatos room he will keep doing his animations, drop the heart, and peace out. All while timer is paused
Which I didn't realize until this run actually
covert tide
There’s your minute lol
torpid turret
Sure feels like a minute, waiting for 
to gtfo
covert tide
Nice work!
torpid turret
Haelian's 7:49, my 6:24, and Touch2Much set the 32 heat record at 10:38
covert tide
That 32 heat one is nuts. I mean the others are nuts too, but... my husband just did 32 heat for the first time last night (Chiron bow) and it took him like an hour lol
It was on hell mode but still
And he doesn’t try to go fast haha
torpid turret
Yeah really impressive, Touch has been grinding 32 heat for awhile now
covert tide
Between the two of us I’m the “fast” one but that just means occasionally getting sub-20min times
torpid turret
I've never even done a 32 heat run still hahah
So it's definitely an impressive feat in my eyes
hallow sorrel
I'm still at 1 heat with sword and spear
Recently turned on god mode because I tend to have trouble with the final boss
hallow sorrel
My mirror is pretty much fully upgraded
torpid turret
Oh
hallow sorrel
Except for Authority/persuasion which is hecka expensive
torpid turret
What would you say your main trouble is with?
hallow sorrel
Probably enemy spin attacks. 😛
torpid turret
At final boss?
hallow sorrel
Yeah, that's the main one
torpid turret
What keepsake are you taking?
hallow sorrel
Plus his lasers usually finish me off
The cover can be a bit difficult to hide behind reliably
torpid turret
Lasers you can get behind cover or stand right inside him to avoid
Yeah just line yourself up with the boss
hallow sorrel
I've started using Death Defiance instead of Stubborn Defiance though since I'm dying less outside of his fight
That has solved a lot of my problems. 😛
torpid turret
If you head into the fight with 4 death defiances you should be fine
hallow sorrel
Yeah
torpid turret
taking lucky tooth
hallow sorrel
Now that I think about it, lucky tooth with stubborn defiance would probably be enough
I usually only use about two defiances any more
covert tide
If you rank up the acorn
hallow sorrel
And the health boosts I can get for stubborn would be helpful
covert tide
That will make the last boss more forgiving
hallow sorrel
Yeah, I think I used acorn on my most recent win
covert tide
Give you a free 5 hits to figure out what you’re doing
hallow sorrel
I kind of forgot about the tooth honestly
covert tide
It depends on how much damage you expect the acorn to absorb versus how much health the lucky tooth gives you back (plus how much overkill there might have been on the last hit)
hallow sorrel
That extra 100 health revive should be plenty now that I think about it
covert tide
5 hits from the whirlwind is 250 damage!
torpid turret
That last run I had like 330 health or something, I just kept taking hearts for some reason
Sometimes when going fast its hard to make good decisions haha
hallow sorrel
As long as you also pick up health related boons that's great
covert tide
I don’t mind more hearts depending on the other possible choices
It was better when food used to scale
torpid turret
There was prob a few poms I coulda gotten instead, gold I dont really mind missing out on
covert tide
It’s static now, or maybe that’s just on hell mode??
It’s 10, 8 after lasting consequences is applied
It used to be a percent of total health (like well of Charon heal is now)
hallow sorrel
Ah, I was thinking of the big heal that Charon sells in his shop
covert tide
Ah I mean little food that enemies and Sisyphus drop
torpid turret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ituDwDOJABc Video is up
covert tide
Lol @ how you pause when you see the +3 dashes
I’m imagining you sitting there in shock, disbelieving of your good luck
And then Than’s “you might want to stand back” and Zag saying “that’s not my style” as you madly dash straight at everything with your shotgun
torpid turret
Hahahha
I was like holy crap holy crap this is a run
And then Eurydice when I only had Artemis dash and Artemis attack, so I knew it'd upgrade both to heroic was also a holy crap moment
And at that point I already had an epic chaos for dash strike, artemis dash strike, so that +3 dash boosts DPS by a ton
covert tide
I don’t know how you don’t choke when the pressure is on like that
If I were in your position, the better things were going the worse I would do as the pressure to keep doing well got higher and higher
torpid turret
Haha I was definitely shaking when I entered styx and saw the timer
Then 2 sack RNG and I could feel my heart beating lmao
summer lotus
dude i was shaking and i wasnt even the one playing
torpid turret
I saw the time going into hades and it was pretty much guaranteed WR at that point
hahahah @summer lotus
summer lotus
i didnt know you could beat the hydra like that btw
turbid needle
See, that's when you mute the in-game music (based volume sliders) and turn on BFG Division.
summer lotus
is that like common or
torpid turret
There's 2 ways I know of doing it
Both involve megs summon
With this run its just a matter of dealing huge amounts of damage
You can also do it with privileged status
Since that will boost the summons damage
Basically just need to get the hydra under 33% HP or something
Hydra dies so timer pauses, then you clean up the heads
covert tide
That’s a neat trick that I will never pull off lol
I’ll just pretend my times are like a minute less and that I somehow pulled it off
torpid turret
It's not that hard tbh
I used to always run bouldy until I found out about it, then I just started going for it every run no matter the build
torpid turret
Fair enough haha
covert tide
Lol
covert tide
Also if I really wanted to be speedy I wouldn’t be playing on hell mode lol
torpid turret
haha right
I've barely progressed my hell mode save
Got tired of not having my mirror upgrades lmao
covert tide
Ah my mirror is full by now
I play on the same file as my husband so we were both grinding for darkness, helps to split up the work
covert tide
My stepdad had to close his business during lockdown so I’m trying to convince him to get back into playing videogames lol
torpid turret
Now's the time for it
covert tide
Ahhh
shadow belfry
I feel like using a special and a dash for a combo is kind of awkward unless you move the default Q key.
hushed ledge
Tbh it depends
For me the harder part is drifting left specials
Because dash and special is two different fingers
torpid turret
Dash special is whack on controller
hushed ledge
Yeah it sounds it
covert tide
I rebound special as suggested here and it’s working out well
Rmb, cast is now q
Though I don’t always keep that if I’m doing a heavy cast build
torpid turret
Yeah I tried rebinding special to square and still struggle with it
Think its the timing
covert tide
I like practicing with explosive upper because the animation becomes blatantly obvious
So you get really clear feedback to train yourself on the timing
hushed ledge
For me I just buffer the special during the dash
torpid turret
After all the fist and rail runs im too used to dash striking to learn the timing on something else lol
covert tide
My understanding doesn’t have enough nuance to tell either way lol
hushed ledge
I just dash and then immediately special
Without waiting for any feedback on the dash
tardy chasm
Apart from the prerequisites, is the dialogue to unlock the Aspect of Arthur just random?
lament coral
there might be some other dialogues queued up
hushed ledge
welp
no legendary boon btw
and i don't really want either
i'm going to take mistral
because arctic blast is massive anti-synergy with the build
dense locust
you have the other prereq for th legendary?
hushed ledge
whats the other prereq?
dense locust
arctic blast is one, and i think the other is the one that slows and decays if everyone is chilled
hushed ledge
heckk
i've been avoiding arctic because it is bad with that one
:(((
this is the last tunnel in styx
f
dense locust
Yeah they lowered the chance, which is why i take the mirror boost for it
hushed ledge
but only getting two boons because the pool literally ran out when i could theoretically get the legendary seems wrong
dense locust
It also helps if you can get a purple well to upgrade the rarity of the next boon
that is bizarre
hushed ledge
yep
dense locust
i'd label it a bug
hushed ledge
i'ms ad
i was literally trying to run the pool out lmao
i got loads of demeter
and then was like "huh i want the legendary"
apparently not
despite having killing freeze since before hydra
the build is absurd anyways
so its fine
and with that i have a clear with every weapon!
full swift
what are the exact requirements for the Athena legendary
Because I just had a run with like 9 Athena boons and still no legendary...
quiet arrow
Apparently this? But I haven't had any luck either
Im still trying to get the Athena/Ares duo boon
sly sonnet
ooh
where do you find these
is there for other gods too ?
Would be really useful for legendaries or dual boons
proud storm
it's all in there https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki
proud storm
since it's not there yet i should mention that to get poseidon's Huge Catch you need either Ocean's Bounty or Sunken Treasure
clear dome
why woould you want that in the first place?
proud storm
chaos fish
tepid ridge
I’ve had the Athena/Ares duo (unfortunately can’t recall what my build was) and can confirm its hilarious, especially with a ranged weapon. Never seen Athena’s legendary either though.
prime knoll
I keep meaning to try Ares on Zeus Shield with Athena attack to just spam Doom several times a second.
fallow niche
@turbid needle haelian can't catch a break, Ship broke his WR last night after haelian just took it 
new WR is 6:24
getting really close to artemis cast
@proud storm @sly sonnet Also Artemis Legendary now requires both of the tier 2 cast boons rather than either of them
turbid needle
Nerfing Speedruns: Sure, whatever. Neutering Blade Rifts, Trippy Shot, and Crystals: Booooo.
You need Exit Wounds, which will not spawn with the above three casts.
fallow niche
OH YEAH
I forgot that's what the name of the legendary was
I always just chose the gold option 
me like colors huhuhuh
rancid shore
even if it did spawn, forcing a completely useless boon for it is terrible
proud storm
this is telling me that artemis' legendary requires you to have dual shot AND exit wounds
checking just to be sure
proud storm
fair enough
fallow niche
they killed my baby 😭
proud storm
i remember i once had a run with hera bow and 7 dio casts
sly sonnet
good to know
proud storm
- dual shot so 14
sly sonnet
thanks
fallow niche
hera is fun yeah
proud storm
i would just load all my casts on a single attack and hades would just take 14 smoke bombs in the face at once
fallow niche
nuclear launch detected
tepid ridge
Missile lock-on alert
proud storm
i think i still have the clip
tepid ridge
turbid needle
Like that scene from Avatar: Legend of Korra where she tries to powder her face to show off for Mako.
dense locust
yeah
sly sonnet
Oh
rancid shore
If you time it right, I think so
Does it still do the damage or does it just negate it?
rancid shore
Huh, interesting
dense locust
no damage and anything that triggers upon reflect happens
some attacks are unreflectable and undodgeable though (the game mechanic dodge)
proud storm
uuuh i think it deflects the damage if the attack that deflects hits the enemy
dense locust
No it will still deflect and not do any damage to the enemy
proud storm
dont quote me on that but i know i deflected hades' lunge attack back at him not too long ago
dense locust
like a parry
proud storm
with the fists
dense locust
yeah thats why i love athena attack on the fists. You can keep uo 100% deflect from the front
sly sonnet
Thats really good
dense locust
Oh the melee attack hurt him? As far as Im aware, melee attacks i've deflected don't damage either of us, but the word "Deflected" (or maybe just Deflect) pops up
sly sonnet
I thought athena is situational or noob friendly boon
but that makes her really good
I need to try out some athena duos
dense locust
Athena dash is almost always the number 1 priority for dash
dense locust
But athena attack on twin fists is awesome
sly sonnet
it gives you more invincibility on dash
Yeah I have trouble when I just barely dont dodge hades spin attack
dense locust
you hold attack button constantly and press dash to keep up the combo, still holding attack
Yeah hades spin is one of those unreflectable attacks
you either have to iframe it with dashes or just run away
I finally did my 32 heat with the twin fists using athena attack and athena dash
stable onyx
turbid needle
what's middle management cutter awarded for?
blazing mulch
There is pact named the same, guess its about killing all elite rooms
turbid arch
@dense locust Pretty sure that deflects work on Hades' Spin attack.
The dash does at the very least.
proud storm
middle management cutter is for killing all minibosses in a run
excluding barge of death and asterius
sly sonnet
What do the titles do ?
Is there somewhere where I can check them even if its just for collection sake
turbid needle
You can see them in the Security Log in the Administration Chamber.
obtuse cipher
Sweet, collected almost 1k coin in Tartarus
grand patrol
omg howd you do that
obtuse cipher
- Epic Ocean's Bounty right at the start (+60% coin)
- then accidentally entered a Pact gate with a Pom without upgradeable boons -> 130 coin instead (never seen that before, is nice)
- rare Chaos Affluence (+65% coin)
- found an epic coin trove
- used ||Bouldy ||once
apart from that, usual coin drops
also it should be possible to grind infinite coin in Meg's fight I guess?
very slowly, though
oh and one epic Sunken Treasure
almost forgot that
grand patrol
WOW.........................
solid cairn
I wonder what fists with zeus attack are like
my demeter aspect is only level 2 though
grand patrol
its like when you touch a doorknob and get static
hearty pilot
solid cairn
I have 9 ambrosia but I don't want to convert it all
obtuse cipher
is it intended for Persuasion to sometimes show only two options in the shop btw?
when you reroll three
hearty pilot
like an option disappeared without buying anything?
even then persuasion should show up three even if you buy all options
unkempt pagoda
fist with zeus is like having tasers on your hands at all times
solid cairn
is it possible to completely exhaust a boon pool
like, get every zeus boon for example
tacit bay
GIVE ME AYOUR ATENCION!!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/fnm6um/last_aspect_of_exagryph/
hearty pilot
whos nyarlathotp
obtuse cipher
@hearty pilot it has happened quite often to me already, I didn't buy anything in the shop, reroll and then only get two options
hearty pilot
might wanna f10 that if it happens?
obtuse cipher
might do that
in case it's intended, I'd rather leave it in Feedback
cause it sometimes feels like a waste to use persuasion for less options
hearty pilot
i think its a problem with how persuasion cycles through pools of things
so mayhaps feedback
i think someone brought it up with boons lemme check
obtuse cipher
alright
hearty pilot
nope it was about legendaries
solid cairn
what should I go for
obtuse cipher
I'll take a screenshot when it happens again
hearty pilot
yeah i think its like persuasion may exhaust a pool so it gives two options which sucks tbh
obtuse cipher
so maybe in a few minutes
solid cairn
long knuckle, concentrated, or breaching cross
hearty pilot
long
solid cairn
L O N G
hearty pilot
e x p a n d
obtuse cipher
exhaust in what way? there were more options that could have been shown
as in they weren't on offer before
obtuse cipher
I am usually rolling for chaos gates
hearty pilot
yeah i have no clue now ://
obtuse cipher
there was no chaos gate shown in the first three options
I reroll and get two options but no chaos gate either
hearty pilot
well i think there's a cap on chaos boons
obtuse cipher
and one blank
obtuse cipher
even when that's true, that's happened to me in Tartarus
hearty pilot
oh wack
obtuse cipher
so one max
tacit bay
hi
obtuse cipher
happened quite frequently as well (the two options only thing)
love chaos runs with Guan Yu
tacit bay
fun thing abut guan yu and chaos is that chaoss dont care for guan yu debuf with life
obtuse cipher
indeed
tacit bay
BTW what do think of ym idea or did you just ignored it like normal people do 🙂
obtuse cipher
tbh I didn't read through it yet, but I'll do so after my run
obtuse cipher
Hm wasn't able to recreate the shop reroll thing yet
I'll read the reddit post now
covert tide
I noticed if you buy something from the shop and then reroll, you’re given back 3 options
lament coral
that's the intended behavior
covert tide
Ah okay
obtuse cipher
the other way around not so much apparently, though
hearty pilot
lmfao
covert tide
@tacit bay I think if people had thoughts they wanted to communicate they would do so without extra prompting
barren nimbus
Does anyone actually use the alternate mirror talents? Ruthless reflex and fated persuasion are the only ones i can see myself using and persuasion dissappoints me so often im probably switching back to authority
covert tide
I like Stygian soul, and the increased chance of legendaries and duos
Sometimes the money one, it depends
hearty pilot
i run fiery when i use damage control to set up higher dmg bonuses with bow. i also use family favorite which allows me to discard a lot of boons i usd before to trigger PS
high confidence for a faster early game since 50 hp isn't much
and golden touch is good cause i run coinpurse then swap it out
rip
turbid needle
I run Dark Regeneration, Stygian Soul, Family Favorite, and Olympian Legacy.
barren nimbus
considering all my complainging about the egg gold touch and coinpurse actually sounds good
hearty pilot
FP will prolly get buffed given that a lot of people have written feedback about i
and ruthless is good
the egg?
turbid needle
Chaos Egg?
barren nimbus
yeah
hearty pilot
o
barren nimbus
it just tilts me a lot to not get a chaos gate when i use it
turbid needle
Same.
I need to get into the habit of checking the Keepsake chest last between biomes.
barren nimbus
and i just hit a wall with heat 15 (16 because im greedy) so im trying to change up my mirror and/or pact
hearty pilot
do you run the bone thingie?
turbid needle
Bone Hourglass wouldn't help with Light of Ixion.
hearty pilot
no im just wondering why you stressed "last"
barren nimbus
i usually run egg, two forced synergies attempts and spear/tooth depending on how confident im on my run
stray sage
turbid needle
Because it locks if you swap keepsakes (which I assume you knew), and if I'm running Underworld Customs I don't want to think I can continue branching a build in a certain direction when I'm going to have to drop part of it.
hearty pilot
ah
turbid needle
We've all had Pools of Purging that try to knock out any of Trippy Shot, Ice Wine, and Scintillating Feast.
hearty pilot
i mean tbh i dont think about any of these but i also am not super good at the game (stuck at 13 heat in hell mode so i cant stack up heat quickly)
not as actively, i should rephrase
how odd
the game needs the west hall fountain to be built but the east hall is half the price
oh well
prime knoll
@turbid needle come to think of it, I'd rather the keepsake chest be located last in the hallway.
hearty pilot
it sometimes is
turbid needle
Wouldn't be a bad idea.
prime knoll
It's always second (after the fountain)
I barely ever use the purging pool. 9/10 times, it throws the best three boons in my build so it really isn't offering me anything.
hearty pilot
FP works on the purging pool so its useful if you're running customs
how on earth is zag persuading a pool and a well? who knows!
covert tide
He just stirs them up a bit
hearty pilot
aggressive negotiations
quiet arrow
i feel bad for not picking artemis in the trial of the gods but her challenge is so much easier than the other gods
covert tide
I find any of the ones where there are circles on the ground aren’t bad
It’s the ones with stuff moving around amongst the enemies that I just can’t make my brain notice
Or Athena, because F that
turbid needle
I feel like Athena's has been toned down, and Zeus's is actually kinda nasty.
obtuse cipher
Demeter can be quite annoying in Elysium when trying to finish off eggs
quiet arrow
athena's used to be pretty awful, poseidon's wasn't too fun with elysium + tight deadline
sly sonnet
I have the hardes time with ares and demeter
although to be frank I have done only one tight deadline run
turbid needle
I think Demeter's is the worst now.
full swift
Demeter's in asphodel 
quiet arrow
new poseidon and athena are more manageable now tho
lament coral
I think she's on par with Ares for small rooms
Aphro's trial is actually kinda difficulty now, especially if you have Forced Overtime on
enemies could kebab you if you get stunned
quiet arrow
oh yeah aphrodite's charm is rough
covert tide
I think it would be alright if I could manage to keep track of it while attending to enemies
But it’s like my brain filters it out of my awareness lol
lament coral
I have the same problem with Poseidon's wave in Elysium, it sometimes blends with the floor
covert tide
Yeah, any of them that aren’t circles mess me up
If I get hit by circles it’s because I messed up and went into one despite seeing it there
If I get hit by the heart or the wave it feels like it comes out of nowhere, like I completely forgot it existed
quiet arrow
playing hades with 0 difficulty modifiers to try and finish the autograph dialogue (speeding my way to bull) and i forgot that enemies didn't just have 500000 hp and do crazy amounts of dmg
tidal thorn
I did two runs for the list with just Stubborn DD and the 80% HP one and forgot I was running no mods for it. "Why is this is easy?" get to boss "Oh."
teal crystal
Are Flame Wheels a pun referring to Hot Wheels?
tall dove
My interpretation of this is that they're called Flame Wheels because they are on fire and have wheels
But that's just my opinion
covert tide
I would enjoy a fanart of kid zag et al playing with toy flame wheels with tracks and whatever
hushed ledge
demeter aspect is so good with levels
slim hornet
Anyone else play twin fists with ares attack, athena dash, and merciful end duo? Freakin amazing.
torpid turret
slim hornet
I havent found anything more potent yet
floral sedge
Rush Kick upgrade for the Fists is great for Greatshields
Puts you right behind them
Works even better if you get Blinding Flash and the backstab damage that it gives
timber temple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676649852905455667/691794551580655666/Hades_23-Mar-20_18_43_27.png
I got a fan there in the crowd and I love that little touch
covert tide
I love that fan
dapper pilot
I will protect Elysium Fan with my whole heart
hushed ledge
Mood
stable fossil
Just beat my first 10 heat run
Also love that fan
I always say hi to them after the fight
Anyone else feel like they get stat checked by KT and Mino in the EM P.O.P. condition?
dapper pilot
He made a banner of you, I want to hug them so bad
stable fossil
it could be a she!
Also does anyone know when they appear?
Like are they not there until you beat KT and Mino for the first time?
stable fossil
Fine, I'll just have to start a new file
tepid ridge
I love little shade fan. I only noticed them after seeing someone tweet about it so I also don’t know whether or not you have to beat the boss for them to appear. It makes more sense for that to be the case though.
stable fossil
I want to know if they become a Zag fan after the fight
OMG I just had the greatest idea
timber temple
I've beaten the game a few times but noticed the fan after Zag pointed him out in the crowd
i do love hearing the crowd chant your name every time you defeat these two
timber temple
there's also a crater where fully charged Zues' call obliterated Theseus
Have you noticed that if you use your call at full charge in response to theseus call the gods that he say "Why Gods?"
quiet arrow
theseus has a lot of funny lines + interactions
tardy chasm
well I just had a run with 6 chaos boons
I didn't even know you could get that many
still don't have ||excalibur|| tho 😢
timber temple
Its slow but powerful
wicked raft
So I thought demeter's cast was terrible
Was so wrong. In a run now with artemis duo boon and stygian blade + styg soul
Bone hydra melted in like 2 sec
covert tide
It’s particularly good on the hydra because it tends to stay in one place for a while
It’s awful against stuff that jumps around like Asterius
hushed ledge
it's really bad especially against that fight because theseus also blocks it
solid cairn
I have had 2 runs with fists
Both of them being fastest times for me
Very very low heat but still
wicked raft
Did not have any problems against Asterius or jumping opponents
Tracking duo boon helps it alot
Otherwise, crystal cast ir basically useless imo
hushed ledge
ehh i think its not bad if you get it at high rarity early
especially with stygian soul
its really good damage
and keeps being pretty good
if you get it to 10 damage ticks thats 50 dps
wicked raft
Yeah. Just did a run where I only had two boons
Crystal cast, and artemis crit rate (heroic) + duo
hushed ledge
whats the duo for them?
wicked raft
Their duo makes the crystals usable
Increases tracking speed by like 1000%
So crystal laser has a super auto target
hushed ledge
whew
wicked raft
Plop down 4+ crystals from either stygian soul + chaos or the other one
And stuff insta melts. Think I got 6K chain on Hades
turbid needle
I've had 7100 damage on Hades with two Hunting Blades.
It was Aspect of Achilles and Vicious Cycle.
turbid needle
Okay, it's been fun, but Spread Fire can go back to five pellets now.
While we're at it Rocket Bomb can return to 80 damage as well.
minor tulip
so, what happens when you put infinite ammo on aspect of hestia?
do you just never get the bonus damage again?
hallow sorrel
I would assume so
earnest ravine
You can still manually reload with that as far as I'm aware.
It's just like. kinda pointless on the thing due to the bonus, so I haven't grabbed it in a while.
minor tulip
tbh, they really should bring heavy slug back
imagine that on hestia
dense locust
Any tips on a 32 heat sword clear? @turbid needle
I've gotten painfully close with the bow twice but haven't really had a chance yet with sword. I know nemesis owns but maybe my rng has been bad
minor tulip
i know, but imagine hestia with heavy slug on top of that
tidal thorn
One of these days I'll have a Cast run with more than one Artemis boon...
dense locust
This build should have been stronger than it was: https://imgur.com/5ligWRF
clear dome
Got to Styx, 2 revives, met smol vermin, lose both of them, lost to hades
dusky hull
What are the current requirements for Fully Loaded?
dense locust
Either artemis attack, special, dash, cast, or call, and dual shot
But if you get cast, you can get exit wounds or dual shot
to meet the prereq
dusky hull
So you can only do the Artemis cast builds now?
ancient rampart
what fits well with the new mirror of night buffs
im not sure what to take in combination with the old buffs
and i wanna spice my runs up
dusky hull
Golden Touch is pretty good.
dense locust
No the requirements for fully loaded are artemis based though
Stygian cast is the one I almost exclusively use
as far as the new mirror
stable fossil
@turbid needle why would you want that?
dense locust
Also family favorite instead of privileged status
stable fossil
who wants less damage on rocket?
hushed ledge
stygian is weird because it feels like it should be worse. I automatically assume that QoL stuff is going to be worse but nope
dense locust
People underestimate how good not having to collect casts is
hushed ledge
yeah
dense locust
Not to mention it also synergizes with boiling blood and its alt
much more than the other cast
Also fated persuasion is pretty good, but very expensive as far as darkness
hushed ledge
demeter aspect is insane
what the heck
i literally just hit hydra for a quarter of its hp in one special and it isn't even maxed
waaait
does hunter dash buff dash upper or nah?
hushed ledge
That explains a lot
tidal thorn
Zag Aspect = multiple punch man
Dem Aspect = one punch man
hushed ledge
Heading out of Z2 I have rare crit special, level 4 epic dio attack, explosive upper, epic Artemis dash
Oh and 5 dashes
So I can dash upper, get 4 of them from Demeter, get more than double damage from dash, have a chance of critting from Artemis, and then that all gets multiplied by 3/2 because of hammer
Well then
olive badge
What should I spend my early titan blood on?
hushed ledge
Imo unlock aspects you think look cool
hushed ledge
Chaos isn't great at base level imo
tranquil gorge
Okay I did a 5 heat run. First time with the Yuan aspect of the spear. It does have a nice moveset. Not sure if the - 50 life and healing is worth it though
calm sable
I still haven't quite gotten the hang with it, though I'm probably missing something
My spear runs are hit and miss
dense locust
hmm
I've been doing zag aspect twin fists with athena attack and athena dash and it's almost easy mode
hushed ledge
one general thing that helped with spear is treating it like a ranged weapon
dense locust
Eris aspect rail is my fave, but zag aspect rail is very strong with the right daedalus hammers
hushed ledge
you can react to everything easily if you stay at spear tipper range
olive badge
isn't there's a hammer upgrade that let the very tip deals more damage
dense locust
Yeah I don't like the spear as a melee weapon
olive badge
I think they practically encourage you to use spear as ranged weapon
hushed ledge
marth spear
marth spear
dense locust
You deal more damage if they are a certain (and unknown) range away
The best is charged skewer
imo
hushed ledge
but yeah, spear needs to be used as a ranged weapon, although more commital of one generally
dense locust
athena attack on fists is so broken
hushed ledge
yep
dense locust
Yeah
but you can hold down the attack button
and while holding it, dash, which does a dash attack and resets the attack combo
so you essentially get permanent deflect from the front
If you get athena dash on top of that, and extra dashes, you're almost invincible except for traps and unavoidable attacks
hushed ledge
it's basically release shield but different
dense locust
I got my 32 heat with it
for fists
Get deadly reversal and it does a lot of damage instead of just being defensive
tranquil gorge
@dense locust
Damn dude. My best weapon right now is the bow with 7. 32 heat is brutal.
hushed ledge
having to choose between buying a diamond or buying boons that might help win is hard
i'm fairly sure the run should win
but i don't want to lose it
but at the same time, i can afford a diamond
dense locust
Deadly reversal gives a 20% chance to crit after deflecting
And I don't really ever use special when I do athena attack/dash build because it opens you up to attacks
hushed ledge
actually even if i lose diamonds are probably more valuable than time
dense locust
Haha yeah I've had runs where I had to decide between the rare resource or more boons
hushed ledge
this run seems like it should be an easy clear
dense locust
if you're doing something you haven't already accomplished, i'd say go boons every time
unless its one of those broken builds
hushed ledge
crazy dps, lots of good defensive boons, 3DD's with the athena DD more heal boon
it's one of those broken builds lmao
i'll screenshot it when i'm done
that was crazy fast final boss
dense locust
haha i had a similar experience even though my build was far from ideal
dense locust
Heroic drunken strike at level 5 must be fun
hushed ledge
oh that was nice
dense locust
dense locust
Here was mine just now, zag aspect and 3 stygian casts
dense locust
I had to sell vicious cycle before styx due to the heat condition but I ended up getting it back
Looks like a nice balance of damage over time from drunken strike and then the big crits from special
hushed ledge
special was more than big crits
it was huge crits
but yeah, i really like dio on fists
dense locust
and you still have 2 levels to go for demeter aspect
hushed ledge
is drift back upper that risky?
dense locust
drift back?
hushed ledge
if you upper you can still move during the time zag's in the air
so you do upper while holding back
and you get some serious distance coverage
only works for normal uppers though, dash upper doesn't give any air time
dense locust
hmm idk i've usually dash special into the enemy as apposed to special dashing away
dense locust
The problem i've seen with it is when you special enemies with armor
and if you don't break it they don't get the little mini stun
and can hit you while you're specialing
hushed ledge
yeah no hitstun
which is why imo drifting is so important
you get to damage and dodge
dense locust
Which is why the +1000% damage to armor from dash strike is a great hammer for fists
I
I'll have to try specialing while dashing away
If you haven't tried it though, athena fists are silly
hushed ledge
ah
olive badge
now that I think about it the uppercut being bad makes sense
dense locust
What do you mean by holding out
olive badge
in Street Fighter if you whiff your Shoryuken
you're dead
but now it's also bad on hit
hushed ledge
so on keyboard, if the enemy is to the up right, i'll do uppercut in that direction while holding A and S
olive badge
I feel like they could recover even before I do
dense locust
I imagined you running up, using charged demter special while immediately dashing back
hushed ledge
i'll see if i can get a gif
dense locust
oh so you run away as opposed to dashing away
sounds like it'd be easier on controller
hushed ledge
keyboard can aim the special opposite to where i'm already moving
full swift
Wait you can go over 32 heat?
hushed ledge
dense locust
You can go higher than 32 heat
But the last thing to unlock is 32 heat and it has become the standard because higher than that makes you dip into the worst of the heats.
Although realistically 35ish heat wouldn't be all that more difficult than 32, but some of the heats make the game way harder and you avoid those for as long as you can
i see what you mean @hushed ledge
dense locust
I think the issue I have is that while you are specialing you can still get hit from enemies
but you decide for yourself
once you have 2 levels of forced overtime
hushed ledge
yeah its definitely not great later on
dense locust
It still is amazing damage
It just takes a little more effort to land safely. Usually it decimates any enemy so it's a safe bet unless you screw up the positioning
olive badge
so basicall you want to hit and run with it
hushed ledge
the alecto fight is too huge brain for me
dense locust
oo boy anyone know the interaction between demeter aspect twin fists poseidon special and sea storm?
Ill just take it for science
It only triggers sea storm once
olive badge
so I guess it's the same with Artemis arrow thingy right
does it trigger 5 arrows when you do the rapid punches
then it's still a good combo with the fist
ripe parrot
It actually does.
Each proc of the fist combo sends an arrow, or at least it did when Fists were first out.
dense locust
Also poseidon special with demeter upper cut is terrible because the first hit launches them away
it does however destroy anything that is against a wall
olive badge
so best for fist is athena
dense locust
it is imo
zeus and demeter are also contenders depending on the build
and athena fist requires a certain playstyle
but try it out
olive badge
does the game have a fixed seed mode like Death Cells
dense locust
yeah
well
if you choose the same things the seed remains the same
I've noticed that I think it even carries over into my hell mode file but maybe that has just been a coincidence
Some builds I don't even want a hammer at all
stable fossil
@olive badge Dash shots are your friend
The regular bow is all about maintaining a safe distance and pelting your foes with arrows
Hera is the same but with Cast Stones loaded in
Chiron is all about Hitting one dude with one arrow, then spamming your special till that thing dies
dense locust
The bow is probably the weakest of the infernal arms
dense locust
Finally 32 heat bow!
proud storm
man i had such a good fast run with the bow until i found the sack on the 4th tunnel
can we get an f in the chat https://i.imgur.com/Ap9VV4l.jpg
dense locust
I don't get what's wrong. You bested your bow timing
proud storm
i did but i couldve gone so much faster
dense locust
ah
Here's my bow run: https://imgur.com/FDEtiAF
Went into hades with 350 hp, 3 death defiance, and a bouldy and barely made it out the other side
rocky sage
i just feel like bow is too slow for this type of game
hushed ledge
Bow has never felt slow to me
Once I got timings down
It feels like a relaxing weapon
sly sonnet
Bow is super good for kiting
once you get the timing down
Or you know you can just play like me and buld full homing bow every time
hushed ledge
I just use it to camp
olive ice
placid path
The main problem is when you got alot of things on you
When you are in Elysium
Facing the splitters and carts
If you don't have Hermes extra jumps you prob not gonna have a nice time
turbid needle
Man, I've gotta be showing up as off-line when people ping me like this.
@dense locust I used Nemesis to clear 32 Heat, never use your standing attack, only dash attacks.
hushed ledge
Bow is definitely not great in Elysium, but it's not too bad
turbid needle
Might want to fish for a Double Edge start, that or Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Flourish. You want those two specifically there for Heart Rend.
hushed ledge
Bow is my go to weapon if I want a slow paced easier run
turbid needle
@stable fossil Rocket is OP as it stands. It was balanced with 80 damage.
fallow niche
Rocket is fine
turbid needle
No, it hits too hard.
sly sonnet
Weird
I found all the weapons to be balanced
each one comes with its ups and downs
its just the right boons that make a weapon op
and I think thats how it should be
turbid needle
look, I'm trying to keep Artemis from being nerfed further
sly sonnet
Well problem with artemis is that no matter what crits will be good in every build
turbid needle
True.
rocky sage
how do u handle hades laser? i only find myself going behind cover or sheilding
turbid needle
Get right on top of him, there's a small safe spot.
timber temple
lament coral
depends on the difficulty level, my HP, defiances, and how ballsy I feel
but yeah, usually I just wait it out
timber temple
If you have the Rail or Dyonisys cast you can just lob at him from the cover
lament coral
oh yeah, those pillars are considered low
rocky sage
@turbid needle for real now ?
turbid needle
For real.
You make take a ding or two, and those are not cheap, but it's better than eating the full salvo.
lament coral
if you look at Hades when he shoots the lasers, the starting point of lasers is not directly adjacent to Hades' model, there's quite a bit of space between em
you can safely stand in that area
turbid needle
It's very much an "eye of the hurricane" sorta thing.
lament coral
probably not intended though, since that's where Hades' spear is spinning while he's shooting lasers
lament coral
oh, I wouldn't be so sure
turbid needle
I know SGG knows about it.
solemn shard
Ok so I just got this game a few months ago, and playing it more now, and I most say its alot more fun then bastion, and it's so perfect, action rpg rogue like, souls like
turbid needle
Where are you getting soulslike?
I don't see any similarities between the two games.
solemn shard
Dying
turbid needle
That's a roguelite staple that preceded Demons' Souls by a few years.
tidal thorn
Few decades.
solid cairn
I love spread shot
hearty pilot
really?
fallow niche
@turbid needle they should just buff crappy gods like poseidon and zeus
i don't understand whats so wrong about that, and then nerfing anything good in the most bizarre ways is what ends up actually happening
lament coral
the problem is that some gods scale well, they start strong and get stronger
while others, like Poseidon, start weak and stay that way until you get a whole lot of their boons
just takes too long to peak
not to mention Poseidon's gimmick, knockback, being straight up bad for melee builds
I actually had an idea a while back, that all gods should scale via % instead of raw numbers
Zeus' lightning and Ares' doom, too
and they'd be differentiated by their secondary boons
such an overhaul would have allowed for all gods to be viable with all weapons
but it'd require a complete retooling of all damage focused Zeus and Ares boons, so as to make sure the scaling doesn't get insane
dapper pilot
Gotta balance the scales
rocky sage
speaking of raw numbers... the concentration punch viable? i find the long knuckle just better
olive badge
I am absolutely loving the fist with the Zeus buff that gives you chain lightning and the Aphrodite buff that makes enemies explode on death
Concentration punch as in the damage ramp up when you hit something uninterrupted?
rocky sage
yes
lament coral
it can get really silly really fast
lament coral
they do
lament coral
I think it's better than rail's version
olive badge
It's absolutely insane
rocky sage
what r u talking about ?
lament coral
...what are you talking about?
olive badge
Basically enemies with back to the wall aren't knocked back right
rocky sage
concentration punch
lament coral
so do we!
olive badge
So the consecutive punches stack up damage really fast
Also on immobile minibosses like the big medusa head
rocky sage
wait it can stack throughout more than one combo??
olive badge
Or the big butterfly ball
lament coral
if you don't let go of the button
olive badge
But usually I would say I prefer the ranged one
rocky sage
still seems liek the range offered by the long knuckle gives you a lot more space to maneuver
lament coral
unlike the rail, there's nothing to reload
rocky sage
why ? whats the difference?
olive badge
The demeter one that when you get 10 stacks it explode
And the ranged fist makes it aoe somehow
If you hit multiple enemies and proc multiple explosion
Or proc multiple chain lightning
It gets even sillier than the concentration punch
Concentration punch is better to take down immobile targets
But with mobile bosses like Elysium etc idk
Works really dumb against the Hydra tho
The fist is kinda silly with its attack speed
lament coral
the explosion is an AOE
olive badge
Like at least Adamant Rail is limited by the fact that it doesn't go through an enemy
lament coral
long fist just allows you to hit multiple enemies at once, causing all of em to go boom
olive badge
What I mean is the fist applies Chill to multiple targets
olive badge
Then trigger multiple explosion
cold oriole
Especially w double edge and heart rend
rocky sage
about the rail... i honestly dont know how the manual reload is useful unless u get the hammer
olive badge
And they overlap with each other
lament coral
is it actually good? I figured the slow attack rate would make it not particularly appealing
cold oriole
thats why double edge is hilarious
your dash attack crits for like
450-450
so youre dealing 900 with a single dash
lament coral
lament coral
but then, it took me 7 death defiances to beat 23 heat with Arthur
lament coral
I wish Arthur's aura was glued to Zag instead of the ground
cold oriole
thatd be a cool hammer perk
OP as a base thing
maybe suggest it as a hammer upgrade though
lament coral
aspect specific hammers sound lame
cold oriole
im pretty sure there are hammers that arent allowed with certain aspects
the arthur aspect pool seems pretty pinched
lament coral
sure, but they don't enhance a specific aspect
olive badge
I still find the uppercut underwhelming
cold oriole
well, youre entitled to your opinion lol
i just dont think that the aura following would be even remotely balanced
considering all it does
lament coral
just slap Arty special on it and you're critting for bazillions
lament coral
kick is a must have for Demeter
lament coral
a 33% damage boost
olive badge
Oh
lament coral
you just gotta get used to the homing part
rocky sage
?
lament coral
I've been playing so much Dem fist, going back to Zag and Talos was weird
rocky sage
talos is ❤️
lament coral
cause I always take the kick when I see it, so using my special and not flying towards enemies is weird
lament coral
I like Zag and Guan Yu spears
rocky sage
guan yu of course
lament coral
Achilles and Hades are too gimmicky for my liking
rocky sage
i hate hate the regular one
lament coral
it's just special focused
rocky sage
i mean so is a bit of guan yu
the special is so good
i mean its not perfect and still slow
but its wide
sly sonnet
Guan yu and regular spear only spears I use
I unlocked the other 2
But not much difference to me
Spin is too risky for me to use regularly
rocky sage
i mean with guan yu you need the spin to survive
sly sonnet
Like I only use spin while enemies spawn
rocky sage
and u can zone some enemies if u have knockback boons
sly sonnet
Yeah but on guan yu I always make sure to pick up hammer upgrade for fast spin
otherwise rip run
Yeah I went poseidon special on guan yu
One of my favorite runs actually
since i got most of the poseidon boons
and zeus duo
lament coral
with GY, you can just lean into your special
it's easy to get 200% special charge if you don't see spin speed
lament coral
armor? Never heard of it 