yup
#h1-builds-and-combat
clear dome
that is kinda busted
stoic crest
then I realised you can be half a screen away
and zagreus will home in on the enemy and kick them in the chin
errant narwhal
lets hope i can get into styx with this at least, it was good hammer luck
feral wagon
Yo boys, what "gods ' chosen" actually do, i cant understand from what is typed
its changed perk in mirror of night
woeful stirrup
Improves chance of finding chambers with Boons, Hammers, or Poms
sacred folio
That's more room rewards to help with your run., less rooms for long term currencies (darkness, gems, etc.)
errant narwhal
ive had the egg for so many runs, maxed olympian legacy, and i keep buying yarn and light of ixion.. i even reroll their offered boons.... but the defiance is not there
does it even exist 
pls chaos your prophecy
woeful stirrup
Same here, I always get Chaos rooms, even if I know it's gonna be my doom, and I still don't have defiance, even with that new mirror talent. I'm making good progress on duo boon prophecy thanks to that though.
feral wagon
is this administrator room or somethin just for the ur previous runs review?
feral wagon
ty mate
btw which is stronger: ||excalibur aspect atacks or daedalus hummer upgrade, or they by any chance stack?||
errant narwhal
at last!!
last nacelle
If World Render worked with the new sword aspect, it would be more broken than old Double Nova.
hushed ledge
Grats Alma!
last nacelle
Chaos should have a real legendary instead of that crap.
vagrant marten
Yeah lol I remember running into this legendary and being like... nah thanks I'll take the +3% Attack Damage
last nacelle
What if it gave stubborn defiance instead of a death's defiance?
It would be stronger, but not really more interesting.
clear dome
you doing all thr prophecy is all according to fates' design
obtuse tapir
Just done my first 32
The addition of elite strengthening option really helped
I can't really deal with forced overtime 40%/no choice/tight deadline
vagrant marten
Forced overtime 40% really is something else yeah lol
wraith schooner
shield just all around too op imo
other weapons are good too but the shield is super safe
and aspect of chaos kinda does insane dmg
lament coral
no kinda, it does
wraith schooner
my favorite is
small gorge
if u can build 2 combo
small gorge
this and zeus posei
small gorge
zeus posei is something make this game became masscre
wraith schooner
posideon has the most fun mechanics
wraith schooner
i bet hades works too with his boon i cant recall who it was
the one that make his doom auto proc if they have some debuff or something
wraith schooner
yea my bad
vast creek
hey guys! does anyone know if two different hangover dionysus boons stack damage? say your dash inflicts hangover and it says 5 dmg, and your attacks inflict hangover 9 dmg, does hangover deal 14dmg now or is it the max of the two numbers?
small gorge
oh that quiet easy to understanding
so u have hangover A on foe and its stack up to n
ur hangover B cant stack on that foe
vast creek
ahh i see so it's bad to have two different ways of stacking hangover
small gorge
oh that alright
just avoid to use both ur atk and ur special
u can use it with your aid too
because the duration of hangover isnt too long after all
vast creek
gotcha thank you!
queen prawn
@errant narwhal how does that legendary work if youre using stubborn defiance actually
do you get two per chamber?
wise ibex
http://prntscr.com/rgart7 athenas attack with murder mittens is the greatest thing ive ever seen
errant narwhal
oh, i have no idea 🤔 @queen prawn
i dont think im strong enough to try and get it again with stubborn defiance
burnt rune
I got it with Stubborn but didn't die after having it
you do have two, but the description says the Chaos defiance is one use only anyway
hoary iris
I didn't know you could summon bouldy in the final boss fight, that was pretty funny
sinful phoenix
The silliest build I've ever had. Thunderclouds everywhere. Too bad I only had it for Hades.
https://imgur.com/yxkuZLt
tough raven
How do you unlock the new sword aspect? Do you have to beat Hades with it to unlock it as it';s the only weapon I struggle to beat Hades with
wicked hull
You need to ||put 5 Titan Blood into sword upgrades and unlock the Guan Yu aspect for the spear||
then it's a matter of waiting for the right conversation to pop up
tough raven
Ah. okay. Thanks! Appreciate it. I'm not far away as I already have the latter done
hybrid galleon
Ice Nuke
chrome geyser
@prime knoll ; some make builds but some are incidental. Like Crystal Clarity, Hunting Blades, Merciful End, Vicious Cycle, Heart Rend, Cold Fusion, Ice Wine, Black Out, Splitting Bolt . . . usually you want to shoot for these for incredible damage/mitigation
silver seal
tfw im doing a fully atk focused build
and i still didnt get any atk boons
just got into styx
oh dayum
artemis epic atk boon
worth af
wary dome
just get artemis crit and u're fine?
tawny quest
i wanna not do crit for a bit
lol
last 5 runs (different weapons) have been art
thats all the game ever gives me
trying out aphro its been a hot second
i just realised athena sounds like she would be so fun with this
just special and play baseball
muted patrol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605952347113390102/688456129357021207/unknown.png
Rocket Special was just for prophecy
all DPS was on hestia shot
900+ on crits, melted Hades. EZ
Not as easy as an shield run tho
muted patrol
she only came once, I had to force second with trinket
If I was able to scrounge up an arte/aphro run
it would be over even more
muted patrol
yea
I mean like, this goes to show you dont even need special or cast sometimes. Just hestia is enough
muted patrol
which weapon?
b/c I usually grab athena for 2 things, DD replenish and Deflect dash
muted patrol
lol. GL
tawny quest
literally gonna make the hades fight link vs ganon
where you play ping pong with the dude
muted patrol
IC
tawny quest
does the arthur special persist effects?
like if i have weak on it if they walk into it will they get weak?
cus i just got a heroic athena special
and i feel like that sounds so strong
unkempt pagoda
i don't know exactly, but i don't think so
muted patrol
No clue tbh
tawny quest
rip exposed it is
unkempt pagoda
cause the regular sword special still goes off, arthur just adds something to it
tawny quest
if it did athena would break the game
cus you literally have a massive reflector
in the middle of the map
ok
i just made a special build
cus my special be nuking things
ayy divine strike
tidal thorn
No, the effect on the ground is just the slow and damage reduction, if your special has weak it's applied on hit.
chrome viper
Has anyone been able to get Poseidon's new legendary after the first run?
tawny quest
i have
it just pops up
randomly
you dont even need posiedon boons
he just randomly drops it in with the tier 1s
chrome viper
Oh I just assumed it was like a one time thing
velvet thicket
spicy poseidon nerf
tawny quest
yh
i literally had no posiedon boons
when i found it
also i just got spent spirit with arthur
and deflect attack
the baseball build is a go people
chrome viper
Wait does the projectile slow stack
chrome viper
lol
unkempt pagoda
hollowed ground is fun with any ranged enemy but spreaders are the best
chrome viper
I want to do that now haha
tawny quest
its dumb
my first arthur run so i was messing around
and try to get cursed sword
surprisingly you just tank forever
tidal thorn
Ooh, that's not a bad idea tbh.
tawny quest
game just gave me sweet nectar
i have 1 posiedon
what is going on lol
this is just sad
just need athena legendary now
and runs over
for anyone wanting to try this out
FYI i took a total of 3 hits the entire fight
the damage i actually took was from a stupid urn i ran into (apparently they ignore euridyce keepsake)
baseball arthur
prime knoll
Put me in, coach
tidal steppe
yoo, Poseidon is rediculous with new Fists.....it ain't baseball, going more towards Rugby xDDD
muted patrol
damn, that's a good run Laya
stiff stone
Has anyone been able to get Poseidon's new legendary after the first run?
@chrome viper Yes, I have, it has Sunken Treasure / Ocean's Bounty as prereqs
either one works, you don't need both
tawny quest
@muted patrol i literally said "huh xyz would be pretty good right about now"
and got it next room
that run was dumb
tawny quest
tho like all of the duos and legendaries i legit got in styx
till then it was raw arthur special
and its quite funny batting theseus spear right back at him with athena attack
gloomy vine
cursed holy sword 🤔
muted patrol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605952347113390102/688475668086128710/unknown.png Good start so far
19 chambers in
the game just gives me zeus in the pool of gods
I guess the run is over
onto heat 2 lol
like zeus+Pos is so strong on most weapons
save like gun
unkempt pagoda
support fire + fists = great fun
gloomy vine
Did something change about the way walls and obstacles look this update? Maybe it's just me but I keep getting stuck on pillars since the update. And in Tartarus I find it really difficult to see traps if they are at the bottom of the screen
Are the walls more opaque?
chrome geyser
@versed tide i disagree; I always go for the elite room. Increased rarity in rewards is sometimes worth a DD. Also is elysium; lone asterius is a great benefit for the boss fight; and usually is not a bad elite since he is alone.
But I agree; high heat should increase the rewards. Right now; most blue laurel rooms are useless
earnest compass
does chaos count for the +6% dmg for each unique god?
turbid needle
does hermes count btw?
earnest compass
pretty sure hermes does, not sure about chaos
velvet thicket
i was under the impression that hermes did and chaos didn't
tidal thorn
^ Yes.
velvet thicket
feel like the new aphrodite trial of the gods is way harder than all the others
woeful stirrup
New Aphrodite is way harder than she used to be. Her projectile is really hard to see and seeks you very well.
velvet thicket
the stun also means getting hit is basically a dd gone at the heat i'm playing at
hearty pilot
does rush kick work with demeter?
velvet thicket
yes
hearty pilot
wack
kind cloud
@tawny quest
Did you like athena's legendary? i don't find it useful because the refresh time is too long. It's utility would increase substantially if it refreshed every 5 or even 10 seconds.
radiant scarab
can someone tell me how dodge stacks? I have the fists +15% dodge, then Hermes +25% dodge then Lambent plume 19.2% dodge, does that really mean I have 59.2% or is it not additive?
I am trying to do an immortal fist build, with Athena's dodge deflect + special deflect + deflect on damage and Artemis crit attack, it should be pretty much impossible to take any damage if all this adds up
gloomy vine
Damn, first run with hestia since patch. I thought it was op before but the new upgrades made it even better. So satisfying to hit a crit and see a whole phase of a boss go in one shot 
radiant scarab
I tried to do a Hestia too, what boons did you go for?
It didn't really work at all for me XD
primal cape
https://imgur.com/a/X2G6IFx
ares legendary
ares + aphro duo
ares +artemis duo
artemis + athena duo
athena + aphro duo
4 casts
radiant scarab
nice
quiet arrow
has anyone filled all the little diamonds up with boons yet? 🤔 i've never gotten close to that many boons though
most i've filled is like half of the third column
slate dove
Wouldn't it just expand more?
quiet arrow
That makes sense, I was mainly curious if there's a hard cap or smth
sinful phoenix
Is that even technically possible, considering number of slots for boons and rooms to get them?
quiet arrow
Yeah, wonder what the highest number of boons someone has got is
gloomy vine
@radiant scarab IMO there are two main ways to build Hestia. Stacking crit with Artemis synergy boons or just stacking the biggest % increase on attack (aphro or demeter usually).
This is the last run I just did with it now: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777373865641319694/2241A4F78D9461E817B571E307913191AC34A79B/
Chaining kills together with battle rage and hunters mark is very powerful, I prefer the crit build personally but it might be a little less consistent than just getting the straight up bigger % damage boons
radiant scarab
okay so yeah dodge does stack, and I just beat redacted with half the time remaining on the Lambent Plume left...this build is INSANE
I hade 26.4% dodge on my plume for a total of 66.4% dodge:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2022613025
@gloomy vine Thanks. I'll try a battlerage/crit build. Not sure how that works against redacted tho, can you get Battle Rage off of the skulls he shoots at you?
gloomy vine
I think the final boss is still supposed to be a spoiler. but yes you can get battle rage procs against the final boss by killing the skulls and other minions.
It isn't so important to get the synergy against the boss though I don't think
woeful stirrup
@kind cloud 20 seconds is more than enough. Even if you're bad enough to get hit every 10 seconds on final boss, that's half the hits you don't take. And if you're getting hit that much, I doubt you'd have much survivability anyway. 5 or 10 seconds cooldown would be insanely overpowered, even for a legendary.
lime estuary
Okay, I’ve officially given up on 40% Forced Overtime
I was fighting the Hydra and there were times when I correctly timed my dodge when I saw it’s attack windup, but still got hurt because the attack hit me in the dodge animation before the I-frames went up
It’s a shame, cause I really love the idea of full Forced Overtime, but just can’t stand being punished for reacting based on pure reflex (as opposed to memorization)
I hope they fix it soon
fresh coral
For Hunter's Mark, can enemies mark themselves? As in, if only 1 enemy is there, would the mark be on the enemy itself or just cancelled
unkempt pagoda
hunter’s mark only procs if there’s two or more enemies on the field
you can’t proc hunter’s mark on a lone enemy
fresh coral
cool thanks
sick dome
hushed ledge
are the zeus boons purely AoE or do they also hit the enemy they proc off of?
regal nimbus
damn
i hve lkke 700+ hours with this game
and i just found out
that spear triple dash attack upgrade + flurry jab
makes you able to do 6 dash attacks with one dash
bold salmon
What decides if you jump or not when you use the fist special? I cant tell whats making me jump and whats not.
bold salmon
Ah ok
I just dont know about fist still
They dont seem terrible but theyre not great either.
radiant scarab
@sick dome Chaos is my favorite ❤️
analog lodge
Is it just me or does poseidons new legendary never show up after you first receive it?
tidal thorn
@radiant scarab Dodge stacks to ~80%.
surreal jolt
where in the hub world or your room do you check your records or anything about your previous runs? Or is that not a thing
analog lodge
The western door, after you unlock it
unkempt pagoda
it was actually added recently
but you’ll need to unlock it first, after seeing a certain event
surreal jolt
man I have like 30 hours and 10 clears and still i have to unlock stuff?
then again the game does keep aspects and weapons from you till you beat the game so I guess its consistent in terms of length
analog lodge
I was asking earlier about Poseidons new legendary, I cannot seem to get it to re-occur, am I doing something wrong or does it simply not show up after the first time?
subtle shale
So I feel like attacks sometimes still go straight through my shield while I’m blocking
pseudo topaz
are they coming from behind or the side?
shield only blocks attacks from the side it's facing
also, I believe some aoe attacks are not blockable but honestly that one is debatable for a more experienced player
@subtle shale
earnest ravine
I have a recording of when I had been blocking the final boss' beam lasers for 4 solid hits and then for no reason it started cutting through, and it's happened here and there with other rapid hit attacks, yes.
it's never not frustrating and probably has to do with weird hitbox stuff
surreal jolt
yea last boss just killed me that way
sometimes the shield will tank the spin attack sometimes it wont
earnest ravine
You have to be pointing dead center of the boss' hitbox, but yeah.
it's pretty reliable but dodging out of it's easier.
surreal jolt
well i guess i was accidently dead center like 5 times
earnest ravine
Same as Thesus'.
surreal jolt
before the 6th killed me
earnest ravine
it's a good instinct to have!
pseudo topaz
Oh, speaking of thesus, do you block from him or the spear
Bc I block from the direction the spear is coming from
earnest ravine
I block the spear because that's the hitbox
surreal jolt
i just sorta face him and its never hit me once
golden valley
So i had a question about the relationship meter; there are different signs from within the hearts sometimes, and i can't give them more juice after that. What do those symbols mean? I get that the one with a clock means "this will unlock in time", but on some others, some have a lock in it, and i don't know if i need to do something specific or if its just more waiting.
tawny quest
@kind cloud sorry for late response
i like athena in situations
with that specific run
i was not really getting hit a lot
all athena did was make the number of hits happening from 5 to 0
so yh
a little cherry on top
if anything
its also the easiest legendary to find tbh. All you need is one athena basic and exposed
and it basically gives it to you
kind cloud
@woeful stirrup
I disagree. I have a melee approach to the hades fight. i don't enjoy playing it safe and fighting from a distance. but it doesn't matter. i basically arm myself with athena's deflect across multiple attacks and that negates many of hades attacks.
@subtle shale
depends on attack. for instance, hades thrusts is one of the attacks that goes through the blocking shield.
iirc, the triple pink thrusts from the shielded guys in elysium also goes through shield.
i can't remember if the thrust from spear guys in elysium also goes through shield.
@tawny quest
the game's rng has stiffed me recently on legendaries and duo boons. for instance, despite having a major zeus build across multiple runs, i didn't get sea storm poseidon duo boon or zeus legendary.
/shrug
sometimes i get legendaries in waves (like having 3 legendaries in 1 run), other times it's completely nothing.
gloomy vine
How do people feel about high confidence vs thick skin mirror upgrade? I've been using high confidence as it seems like the better one if skilled enough to use it but I'm not sure if I'm really getting enough out of it compared to the hp as staying above 80% hp can be a challenge
I really like the mirror upgrade this patch. It does feel like genuinely I can choose different upgrades depending on my target build to get a better result
sullen valley
@analog lodge It is a Legendary boon. That means it's gonna be pretty rare. It can appear at other times, once I was offered it somewhere either in Tartarus or Asphodel, and another time I was offered it from one of his boons in Charon's Shop...in Styx.
Yes I shall acquire the fishing skill, this will definitely help me beat up hell dad
Have you seen King Mercival from Wargroove? Fishing is a totally useful skill in a fight!
Hermes no-
quiet arrow
Sorry Coz, gotta run. Just gonna drop this here if that's alright with you—
grand patrol
hermes: and you gotta run too if you wanna pick it up!
clear dome
is damage dealt when you are in the boon screen
unkempt pagoda
don’t know but you better be quick about it
quiet arrow
@clear dome no it doesn't, you hear the SFX that happens when you strike an impervious target though
I know this bc I accepted a boon while I was poisoned lmfao
hushed ledge
am i correct in assuming that the player is invincible during the slowdown cutscene for major calls?
quiet arrow
That I'm not sure about, I haven't paid attention to that situation
analog lodge
Turns out that Athena is sleeper OP, hitting 1.5k on arthur with only boiling blood, privilaged status+ exposed
Also Finally got fishing legendary to drop - I think it requires the increased gems per room boon to get
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2022818489
sage forge
Thank you!
coral pecan
just beat 8 heat hades without taking damage, im a very happy boi
hushed ledge
niice
waxen furnace
also rare as heck!
arte dash doesn't affect dash-special, I assume?
entering the furies room with the Chaos legendary, +3 dashes while rocking Ruthless Reflex, and the full damage dealing suite as epics (dio attack/aphro special on talos fists). what a run
hushed ledge
just get the dio/aphro duo boon as well
waxen furnace
that's the goal! getting dio keepsake next to try and force it
wellp. got the duo literally in the first aspho run
waxen furnace
I'd be happy walking into the final boss with this damage dealing setup. just going to go full survivability now
an extra DD will help with that for sure
hushed ledge
inb4 the demeter boon that also scales rarities of boons
waxen furnace
or eurydice!
just need the aphro boon to extend weak duration, so that hangover can run its course
... I am not making this up:
literally the room after when I made that statement
I've never had a build line up so neatly, so early
hushed ledge
jesus
waxen furnace
and an epic Support Fire two rooms later. what
woeful zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266163826863374336/688592350611767306/unknown.png
found something weird
got common chaos 38% cast
then got another common chaos 38% cast
finally got rare chaos around 54% cast
Does it work like this? 
woeful zealot
i mean it become lvl 2 chaos, but numbers still 38
dense locust
It was probably less
but if you're sure it was 38 before it leveled
Then it's a bug. I wasn't actually positive you could level chaos boons
Did it level up through what's her name?
eurydice
woeful zealot
nope didnt met her
dense locust
Did it level up through a nectar?
woeful zealot
boon name and level changed after i got rare chaos for cast
dense locust
oh that's not supposed to happen no
woeful zealot
but rare one didnt appear and common become lvl2
dense locust
The old one shouldn't have leveled and the rare one definitely should have shown up in the boonventory
Unless they added a new twist to the chaotic nature of chaos boons
waxen furnace
Flood shot traded for Trippy Shot, dio legendary a few rooms later. what further insanity will this run bring?!
uhm... so it turns out pressure points can lead to dio poison critting, I think. ._.
turbid needle
Yup.
waxen furnace
this might not be the most ridiculous build I've gotten, but it was by far the fastest, with nearly every important part of it in place pre-Hydra.
8 stacks of hangover + support fire + double damage in Festive Fog + % crit chance on poison and all else... what a blast
surreal jolt
got my first bow clear after watching a friend struggle with it, had him watch me to see how it was done
the doom build didnt really work out like I thought it would, i got the attack-doom later on and figured if I tapped an arrow attack, it would trigger the doom, then I special, and it would all stack up, didnt really give me the high numbers though. Even the special doom didnt really seem to work
does the doom stack boon need the doom to come from different sources?
autumn bough
Is it just me, or does Quake Cutter get cancelled if you dash to quickly after using your special?
Also, why doesn't it work with dash special at all?
waxen furnace
I've noticed that too. I don't like Quake Cutter because of it
(also because I don't think its damage scales all that well)
it's like explosive upper, but worse!
turbid needle
Well, it specifies that the blast happens when Zagreus lands, but he never leaves the ground with Dash-Upper.
autumn bough
I beg to differ. You clearly do a full backflip when you have Rush Kick, and it still does not.
autumn bough
What exactly counts as "uninterrupted" for Concentrated Knuckle?
Does finishing the combo interrupt it? Dashing? Getting hit while still punching?
fresh coral
I'm not 100% on it, but after running it a few times, I haven't been able to get much higher damage.. I feel it's only the 5 hit combo that gets progressively better as it hits, but I don't think it stacks beyond that. At first I thought it was as long as the damage numbers don't disappear and not missing a punch, but I never did much damage despite stacking damage numbers over 2k, so..
sacred idol
Quake Cutter just seems to be an awful hammer.
autumn bough
Fists are finally another weapon that goes wellwith Support Fire
sacred idol
@fresh coral That is combining damage numbers. It's not adding damage per hit.
fresh coral
What do you mean?
sacred idol
5 punches for 75 damage is total across the 5
It's a bit of a confusing system. The last punch is not doing 75 damage.
Arthur aspect is so slow it literally shows individual hits (so the third hit really is base 200 damage), but rapid hits like the Rail or the Fists combine it.
fresh coral
I don't get it, sorry
sacred idol
Oh wait, Concentrated Knuckle mechanics
Okay, so if you hit Skelly in the training room 5 times, it will show 75 damage. Right?
That's just 15x5
fresh coral
Yeah
sacred idol
Concentrated should add damage to that, yeah
But if the single number resets, your chain is broken.
As long as the single number remains, it SHOULD be what is considered Uninterrupted.
fresh coral
That's what I thought too, but I don't think I was getting damage increase past the 5 first punches
sacred idol
If you start over from your base single hit damage, it broke the combo.
Huh.
...oh wait.
Concentrated Knuckle does count the pause at the end of 5 punches as an interrupt :/
fresh coral
It would really be helpful to get Daedalus hammer upgrades in Skelly's room
sacred idol
I forgot about that.
Yeah, the Concentrated hammers have issues
I sent feedback about buffing them to have a bigger grace period.
hushed ledge
That's really not good lmao
fresh coral
I mean, technically if you have the Dash-strike upgrade after punches you can actually punch uninterrupted
fresh coral
And if you dash there's no actual time difference compared to just punching forever
sacred idol
delta chamber counts as an interrupt
fresh coral
But they don't seem to help the damage yeah
sacred idol
definitely seems like there's a fundamental issue with the hammers
fresh coral
It's still not a terrible upgrade though, if you ask me
You deal +50 damage on a combo that does base 75 damage
As long as you hit all 5 punches
But it's not game-breakingly OP as the description would make one thing it becomes on bosses
fresh coral
Idk, it beats some other Daedalus upgrades if you ask me
sacred idol
well
it's better than quake cutter.
but then, anything is better than quake cutter
fresh coral
Imo nothing beats the one that adds range
sacred idol
that and Piercing Wave are the worst hammers because of non-scaling.
hushed ledge
But on the Talos aspect it's good
sacred idol
Flat 80 damage isn't impressive...
fresh coral
It's good in Tartarus then you reach Asphodel and you just kissed an hammer goodbye
sacred idol
I dunno. If it didn't have the No Scaling issue, it'd be fine, just clunky
hushed ledge
Fair
fresh coral
I mean, even then, witches, but like.. would you spend an hammer for a single enemy type that's not so bad in the first place?
It's only that good on either Talos or Special builds, and if you build Malphon around your special, the 80 damage isn't going to be that big of a source anyway
however malphon built on special can be.. quite strong, turns out
last nacelle
In anything with RPG elements, there is no better set of words to see on an effect than "base damage".
hushed ledge
Idk, multiplicative bonuses are better
sacred idol
Except when not scaled to boons @last nacelle
Quake Cutter and Piercing Wave uniquely do not scale?
Don't know of others
last nacelle
I don't think those say "base damage" in their description.
cloud siren
Had a really nice run with the gun
https://imgur.com/mpZ9x1S
hushed ledge
i feel like with malphon and flying cutter the extra uppercut is triggering wrong sometimes
vagrant marten
@ripe kite In case you need it, here's a tip for the flamewheels until (/if) this is fixed: you can kill them by making them drive into a wall. Just stand near a pit, let them chase you, and cross the pit with your dash
ripe kite
Oh I know
surreal jolt
the chaos aspect for the shield is crazy
1 hermes upgrade to make the special faster, and its a wrap
ripe kite
What prompted me to post that feedback @vagrant marten was getting into a challenge room (w/e they're called) and instinctively using my magnetic special to pull a flamewheel into myself right as it spawned. My fault for trying to be fast and not wait to see what enemy it was - forgot they were a possibility even in the first zone - but it's still just like... so punishing. I don't mind there being difficult enemies in the game but they just aren't a very fun thing to play around
hushed ledge
Does anyone have any general tips for the final boss?
I'm really struggling to consistently beat them
vagrant marten
@ripe kite I feel ya; even outside of these Erebus rooms, it'd be good if there was a way to kill Flamewheels without getting our faces blown off, while using sword/fists
hushed ledge
Time to die to Hades despite having probably >500 eHP :(
I really need to figure out how to safely do this and also get dps in
It's mostly the spin attack tbh
tropic wyvern
you can try to get at least one of either Extra Dashes from Hermes, or get Deflect on Dash from Athena
either of those will help you deal with the spin. If you pay attention you can see it coming, there'll be a 'ghost spin' ahead of time, the key is just getting out of range fast enough
Achilles Spear or a shield bull rush might get you out in time too, depending
surreal jolt
deflect on dash makes you invincible basically, having extra dashes from hermes makes his spin a non issue. Put them together and you only have to worry about his ranged attacks/combo
hushed ledge
I can see the ghost spin, but it's really hard with fists :(
vagrant marten
Try to watch where he is before he spins. When he strikes, he goes forward. That means that if you're trying to go away from him, he'll catch up to you
When using fists, if you see him start an attack and you were up close, just try and dash accross him
hushed ledge
I just instantly died coming out of posidon call rip
Close
Melee is really hard
My reactions aren't the best
vagrant marten
Sometimes you'll get hit because you were still in the middle of your special or something; try not to mash. Let him whiff a move, attack a little and don't get greedy
vagrant marten
Yeah it can take good reflexes, but playing safe (not attacking too much) makes it easier
Yeah I feel ya
And killing him faster --> giving him less opportunity to hit, so... I feel the same sometimes
Adrenaline 💢
hushed ledge
He sorta feels like meg early on, where you can whiff punish and have a mostly easy fight, but it just takes forever
vagrant marten
I'm about to fight him with sword, my worst weapon I think. Thankfully I got a good Ares cast build
Yeah it's very similar, you're right
I prefer fighting him though, I feel it's harder not getting hit against Meg. Especially because of traps and visual effects all over the place maybe
hushed ledge
It gives me super strong vibes of release meg, who probably had at least double the amount of effective hp (taking into account health nerfs and weapon buffs), as she does now
But I think I'm definitely just getting too greedy
feral wagon
can someone explain what stubborn defiance do? and what the diffrence with the default deffiance
meager mica
you get deffiance after end of the level
vagrant marten
Just used 4 fully charged Aphrodite calls against ||Hades|| 
meager mica
Aphro cast is amazing
vagrant marten
Yeah it packs a punch
vagrant marten
Wait, what's Hera again?
feral wagon
also do you game also freeze when yyou u constantly use a tanos aspect on gauntlets?
vagrant marten
Oooooh right LOL
feral wagon
im talkin more about micro freezes or somethin
vagrant marten
I've had micro freezes a few weeks back but it went away, thankfully
feral wagon
its only on gauntlets for me, when i use this hook like special ability
vagrant marten
I so wanna try Hera aspect with Aphro cast lol
I'll do that
meager mica
i just spammed in on Skelly now
feral wagon
on skelly its kinda fine, go little bit deeper into the dungeon and try spam it
meager mica
everything is fine for me
vagrant marten
Haven't tried that aspect yet
meager mica
i don't have freezes
feral wagon
its not like freezes i cant explain it well
like projectiles starting to twitch and ingame time drops slows when you constatly using hook aspect on gauntlets special
vagrant marten
Yeah sounds like freezes, or frame drops
vagrant marten
Like, your character animations are not affected, but projectiles and enemies stutter?
meager mica
there may be some problems, but its hard to notice
kind cloud
guan yu spin attack has been nerfed. fudge. it no longer goes through solid obstacles like pillars. i find this an odd choice given that (1) it's the only object that used to be able to do this and (2) the pink streaks from the shielded weirdos in elysium have triple blasts that go through pillars.
whole raft
Is there something I need to do with the Fist Hammer upgrade that's supposed to end in a dash-strike?
There is most definitely no dash in the animation for it
feral wagon
yeah something like every animation in a game drops its cadres
calm ember
It automatically does it
calm ember
They need to make the animation more prominent
I thought I was missing something as well at first.
whole raft
so even if it doesn't look like its happening, its happening?
meager mica
yeah
calm ember
Turn on DMG numbers and you'll see the difference.
meager mica
and it's work with dash attack dmg upgrades
whole raft
I mean it feels like there's no interruption in my flurry, so it does feel like an extra strike, but wasn't sure
calm ember
It use to be the same way with normal dash strikes. There was no animation for them for a really long time. They will probably flesh out Twin Fist animations as time goes by.
whole raft
Other than that, I'm still waiting for the convo that unlocks Excalibur >< Haven't had a Nyx convo open up in the ~6 runs I've done since the patch dropped
whole raft
Ditto. Although haven't upgraded any either yet, don't want to waste blood when I have so little (8 with the fists unlocked, and 3 will go to the sword aspect)
hushed ledge
You need to have enough blood spent on sword aspects iirc
sacred idol
Does normal spear spin go through walls?
dense locust
Daily psa that that the top pinned message in spoilers tells you what you need to unlock the aspect
vagrant marten
Do Elite rooms upgrade the reward for boons?
kind cloud
trial rooms just aren't worth it unless you're getting rare boons (but preferably epic). they are damage magnets. why the hell would anyone with a sane mind do them and be happy with common boons.
and getting common boons in elysium of all places? C'MON MAN.
i might provide some feedback on that in the feedback channel.
heady zephyr
so what's the deal with excalibur? how do you build it
i have a build with auto-revenge and doom AND lightning effects....do i just lame it out or what
last nacelle
Pray for Hermes attack speed boon at good rarity.
sacred idol
you build it for a Lotta Damage
damage, as thicc as you can
or absolute cheese
the aspect of fine aged english cheese, stack every Damage Reduction and Evasion boon in the game
become unkillable
heady zephyr
what's the hallowed ground DR at max rank?
last nacelle
Remember that you can use the sword special during a dash to reduce vulnerability.
heady zephyr
the projectile slowdown is super useful though
like i can already tell excal is good for boss killing
feral wagon
Yo lads
how exactly family favorite in mirror working?
is it only gives bonus on amount of diffrent gods or buffs itself?
meager mica
pray for epic Artemis attack boon on Arthur
vague hemlock
epic artemis + double cast + demeter cast + duo is silly
16 crystals on screen at the same time
lots of lasers
sacred idol
@feral wagon One new god = 6%.
Counts hermes. No chaos. No bouldy.
So 6x5=30% on most runs, because 4 god cap+hermes.
If you want to take a risk, you can use Fated Authority + only take 3 gods up to Styx. This can make Styx spawn more gods, so you can reroll doors and get maybe 5 gods or 6 + Hermes.
Means bigger buff than privileged status if you stack a lot of gods, but worse build, so it's just for fun.
turbid arch
Doesn't even need to be worse necessarily. There are plenty gods that can give you good passives.
Say, Premium Vintage of Dionysus, Life Affirmation of Aphrodite, some free revenge counters from her, Ares, Zeus and Athena, pressure points of Artemis
If you have the perc active and your main build is already solid and you still have a lot of things coming for you, you can easily branch out for more gods just for the extra dmage.
meager mica
@vague hemlock imagine that with other Demeter duo
vague hemlock
which one is that again?
vague hemlock
oh yeah
meager mica
if you have Arctic Blast
turbid needle
Is there any way to make Concentrated Knuckle stack more than 1 sequence? I was thinking maybe it works with Rolling Knuckle and/or high attack speed with zagreus aspect and hermes boon
amber ether
How many runs does it take to beat the game from scratch - ish?
20 Escape Attempts and 1500 Darkness and I've just managed to beat Asphodel.
lament coral
depends entirely on your abilities
took me about 20 runs
also, depends on the weapon you're using
pro tip: Chaos shield is the easiest
Zag shield is a serviceable alternative for 0-5 heat, since you can max it out easily
civic barn
how familiar would you say you are with the game so far? if you have a decent grasp of the mechanics, i think the rest is just persistence and patience. There's also nothing wrong with turning on god mode
lament coral
that's what I used for my 1st win
amber ether
I'm using a death defiance and the tooth keepsake to give me some extra survivability. I find the encounters fine to beat - i mostly drop most of my health on boss fights.
civic barn
1500 darkness is also probably not enough to get the basic mirror upgrades up to snuff so i wouldn't say you have a chance to try everything yet
amber ether
I've just unlocked the 20 key mirror upgrades.
sacred folio
For me it was the 31st run. Early game is tough with an under-upgraded mirror
civic barn
death defiance and starting health will help a lot
amber ether
Yeah i've put a lot of points in to thick skin.
civic barn
i think the priority after that would be one of the dash upgrades and starting gold
half moat
thinking of picking up the game. are there any long term progression mechanics? or is there very little progression beyond individual runs?
sacred folio
Also the new refund mechanism costs 1 key which used to be free.
final fox
There are a ton of long term progression mechanics
civic barn
the story side isn't complete, but there's definitely a lot of stuff to discover right now. That said, I would say the mechanical side of progress is probably more rounded right now
final fox
both in terms of gameplay and story
sacred folio
@half moat ever imagined a rogue-lite having storylines which have to be completed across multiple runs?
civic barn
there are a lot of weapon upgrades and other game mechanics you have to do
amber ether
The amount of unique dialogue so far blows my mind.
civic barn
the stages don't feel very long when you look at them in one sitting; it's i would say 20-40 minutes a run depending on a lot of knobs and luck you have to fiddle with? The game has a hub where things will happen as long as you keep trying, either naturally or by way of you putting resources into it
half moat
oh ok, so besides the story the main progression long term is upgrading weapons/stats? kinda like the diablo paragon system? does it ever feel like a grind?
amber ether
I've not felt the game to feel like a grind at all yet - I'm not usually one for repeating the same thing over and over in games but Hades feels different. Challenging but enjoyable.
prisma marten
I'm new and I have little question regarding the gameplay
Is Dash + Quick attack ment to be that OP?
sacred folio
What heat level are we talking about? Anything could be OP at 0 heat
prisma marten
Like
hushed ledge
It's not op, generally you can get punished for ir
hushed ledge
Like it works but generally imo dash attack and then saving a dash is often better
And dash attacks don't do much damage
hushed ledge
Dash attacks I find are really good early stages and then fall off
Because enemies can punish you a lot harder during the end of dashes
hushed ledge
Maybe but you'll struggle to put anything truely broken together with boons that loves DA
Dashing is really goood
prisma marten
Life steal with quick attack dash
hushed ledge
And I'm working on dashing less so I can play safer
prisma marten
I might record it and show u what I mean about being busted
woeful stirrup
Dash attacks really depend on weapon and boons. With Arthur aspect and the right hammer, dash attack was my main source of damage.
terse vine
Dash Attack with the Guan Yu triple strike is a lot of fun.
Regarding a message I just made in #hades-feedback... The Middle Management Gorgon fight, the shockwave from the Skullcrusher, is it just me or is it ridiculously hard to dodge?
I can dodge LB shockwaves easily, but that fight just gets me almost every single time.
prime knoll
@tawny quest Wow, Athena is life with Excalibur. (I tried the baseball build)
lament coral
well, I finally goat Arthur and did a 23 heat run
it's awful
took me 7 defiances to win
prime knoll
@terse vine That fight is brutal. I think it's a combination of things, like the small arena with the shockwave
lament coral
and I had only 20% FO
terse vine
@prime knoll Ya, and having to dodge the bombs as well
lament coral
and 40% I probably wouldn't have even made it to Hades
terse vine
Arthur with FO is absolutely brutal.
prime knoll
What boons you have @lament coral ?
lament coral
I had Aphro attack and Athena special
prime knoll
I had the opposite and loved it
though I can see the attack being a nice increase to damage over athena
lament coral
Athena gives a smaller %, plus, what's the point of deflect on such a slow attack?
terse vine
It'll save you mid-swing
lament coral
how does it save you mid swing if the effect doesn't proc until you swing?
prime knoll
it has huge range. You special and just start swinging
terse vine
The swings themselves are also super slow. Has saved me many times as far as I can tell.
But I never did succeed with FO enabled.
lament coral
didn't seem relevant to me since I'd just dash cancel if an attack was coming
I also used Bracer for Elysium, seems like a solid option for such a sluggish aspect
lament coral
I suppose picking Poseidon dash is what skewed my perspective
prime knoll
ah, yeah that dash really alters things
I don't like it on melee weapons
I love it for ranged, though
lament coral
tbh, I think I don't like melee weapons, period
lament coral
fists were fine on 5-10 heat, but once I started playing with 40% FO, yikes
prime knoll
I used to bump to 40, but it makes all the other pacts so much harder. I just leave it at 20 so I get used to the timing, then add other pacts
lament coral
I'm working towards 25 on all weapons
currently on 23, except for fists
I can't go lower on hell to farm darkness until I beat 25
hushed ledge
@modest tree there is a timer
dense locust
oh is that how it works? i thought u just had to stick with the current heat in hell
hushed ledge
It's below the keepsake icon
hushed ledge
There used to not be but there is now
lament coral
I think it's multiplicative, so you can't get 100%
modest tree
Damn
and here i thought i had someting of a dodge build going on
Plume + Zag aspect fists + ruthless dash + greater evasion
lament coral
you still probably have a lot
clear dome
zeus shield + chaos curse that makes you take dmg when attack = dead zagreus
cloud siren
How do you unlock the 4th aspects for the weapons?
clear dome
luck
cloud siren
Hmmmm
modest tree
check pinned for sword aspect
after youve done that its RNG till you get the conversation
turbid needle
pinned in spoilers not this channel fyi
modest tree
oh yeah
prime knoll
zeus shield takes some getting used to, but it's fantastic with Zeus, Dio, Ares, Demeter, or Athena on special
I was originally worried about Stygian Soul not being any good with Hera Aspect, but I prefer it. Not having to retrieve bloodstones and eventually grabbing another cast or two from chaos (albeit with some luck) really makes for a stellar build. Stygian Soul is leaps and bounds better than default cast for Tripy Shot because you fire and get another 3 secs later rather than having to wait for Festive Fog to disappear before collecting your bloodstone.
mild crag
Dodge chance is not multiplicative
Damage reduction is multiplicative, dodge chance is additive
However some attacks cannot be dodged
wise ibex
http://prntscr.com/rgnslb funsies but i didnt expect to win, grabbed flying cutter on start for the fates thing
kind fulcrum
Maybe I'm just terrible, but I only manage to win with the fists by abusing the heck out of the cast
Like, getting the Ares + Artemis duo boon and everything
dense locust
I did the first 4-5 heat runs doing that but thats because it's what I was given
There are a number of builds that work pretty well with the mittens, especially once you get the 3rd aspect maxed
lusty sequoia
I’ve heard aspect of demeters the best but I don’t get how
Is it just good for boss damage?
dense locust
It can do good damage with minimal boons
A hybrid build on the mitts has been almost every run for me
lusty sequoia
Ah yeah
I had a very nice cast build with talos today
Got 7 Artemis casts
Unfortunately died to the final boss
Probably wasn’t doing enough damage
And I feel like fasting disrupts the rhythm of a fight
terse vine
Getting a good Zeus Attack on fists is super fun.
iron shale
I love all 3 aspects
Even zagreus on mittend
Ans going for lambent plume dodge build
light aspen
lament coral
what's bad news?
mighty ermine
i think so, yeah
proud storm
bad news is hermes' legendary that replaces greater recall if you have the stygian soul mirror talent
it increases cast damage on enemies with no casts in them
obtuse tapir
ok that jar with heightened security dealt 150 to me which killed me immediately
proud storm
uh yeah stygian soul
obtuse tapir
was in phase 2 of the fight, feels massively bad
proud storm
my bad
mighty ermine
no prob, it gets confusing
also yeah i've nearly lost runs to goofing up and hitting a jar during FB with security active
+400% "trap" damage really is a lot of potential danger for so little heat
subtle shale
I know I’m way late but @kind cloud yeah I think it was the piercing attacks doing it
The rats in Styx also seem to pierce the shield block
obtuse tapir
Oh and as far as I remember Theseus' bombing is also affected by HS rather than HL
is it right?
I recall seeing 150 when hit by one but maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly
inner jackal
weird question maybe, but what kinda rewards does "God's chosen" refer to?
turbid needle
it's listed in the brackets, poms hammers and boons
the symbol is laurels, quite hard to see unless you already know what it is
inner jackal
that's why i asked, so what? that boon makes more poms etc appear as chamber rewards?
obtuse tapir
yes
inner jackal
ahhh.
naive tusk
@inner jackal It makes golden laurel rewards appear more often. That includes boons, poms, centaur hearts, obol, and hammer upgrades
inner jackal
ahh, so in other words, it decreases the chances of gems, the dark currency, forgot the name etc? 😛
warped oxide
I wish we've the option to still change the starting keepsake in the first floor
Before the fight
In the first room I mean
I lost my streak because no way I'm starting with anything but pierced butterfly
I quit the ran, and my streak with it
unkempt pagoda
been thinking of doing a high confidence + pierced butterfly run
golden valley
is pierced butterfly just a striaght buff, or do you lose it all if you get hit?
tidal thorn
It's a permanent buff that goes up per room.
placid path
You lose it if you change trinkets tho
hoary iris
You should activate windows
golden valley
God i just had the nuttiest run; fully upgraded aspect of Zag Adamant Rail+ Flurry Fire+ Concentrated Fire+ Support Fire was the main dish of the entire thing, and its just so much damage. Most of the damage i took was from watching all the numbers rise.
hoary iris
I didnt say you should do it legally haha
quaint wind
i tried to do it not legally
i will be so thankfull if you tell me how to do it cuz it buggs me off
a lot
hoary iris
ok first of all, what windows do you have?
subtle shale
I just had a run with the MAXIMUM BLENDER build
summer linden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/531858019730849802/688827494253461625/unknown.png?width=661&height=372 this is actually a really hard choice??? (all i have so far with this nemesis run is 300% damage to armor hammer)
summer linden
oh that is beautiful
mighty ermine
i am only just now realizing that there are bounty rewards separate from any heat at all haha. so even though i've completed up to 17 in terms of bounty rewards for stygius, i can still go with none at all and get the usual two bloods, ambrosia and diamond
summer linden
upload it somewhere else so you can share the link
unkempt pagoda
^
i have a private discord server so i upload screenshots there and paste the link here
summer linden
yeah same
unkempt pagoda
but you can also use imgur
chrome geyser
@golden valley ; aphrodite has the largest damage boosts in the game. That is more her selling point. Not to mention she makes it super easy to apply privilege. And most her duos are really great. She is not as interactive as the others; but she is a damage dealing monster.
finite blade
does anyone else have than not talking to them? I've run into him 5+ times and he always vanishes immediately after his competition thing
he also wont talk to me in the hosue
golden valley
It doesn't feel that way, @chrome geyser. I haven't noticed any really powerful boosts. I've not played for long, others surely have played longer than me, but i feel like Aphrodite's "weak"+ her numbers doesn't match up to other god's abilities and internal and external synergies.
Like i said there, it may be my own valuing of things, but i have never felt inclined to pick aphrodite's attack modifier over someone like Artemis's or Ares's.
rancid shore
artemis and ares on average have lower damage than aphrodite
doom isn't even really good; it's just okay
formal wyvern
Ugh. Spear damage seems so low even with Achilles aspect and lots of special damage boons
rancid shore
poseidon doesn't work against bosses, and zeus & dio aren't good with less frequent attacks
formal wyvern
Any tips at making this work?
rancid shore
aphrodite is fine as she is
wind lily
Do any of you guys know how the new Nyx mirror traits work? Can you use all of them or is it a trade off sort of situation?
unkempt pagoda
the new talents are alternates that you can switch in and out of
mighty ermine
each trait has an alternate version tied to it; you can only flip and use one of each row at a time
unkempt pagoda
for example, greater reflex and ruthless dash are opposites so you can only use one at a time
golden valley
It's a difference in opinion then, and because i really don't agree on that point on Doom. Even low-rarity doom in Elysium is real powerful.
rancid shore
Depending on the weapon, you can match that damage or more with aphrodite in the same amount of time
You can't deny that having the highest damage modifier, easy privilege status, and less damage to yourself is at least good enough
mighty ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/688839185783980069/20200315145544_1.jpg turns out full artemis fists was a fun and extremely fast idea
having to run through three styx corridors was kinda sad
but oh well
subtle shale
I wish that there were a Mirror option that benefited casts a different way from giving an effect when they're stuck in an enemy
like half the casts turn it into a dead stat lol
mighty ermine
i tend to mostly avoid crystals, fog, blades for that reason, yeah
rancid shore
Fog and blades can be made strong enough to offset not having the mirror bonus
rancid shore
Fair
Shame about crystals though. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say they liked it over or preferred it over others
earnest ravine
I really like it in concept and on bosses, because that damage is pretty.
mighty ermine
i've only ever had one run where they pulled most of the weight. took crystal clarity, several cast boosts and so on to make it there
earnest ravine
I'd prefer it over Festive Fog, even, if not for all of the boons linked to that.
mighty ermine
a lot of work
rancid shore
I like it too, but do I like it more than fog? Ehhh idk
subtle shale
I like the idea of the crystals but hope they get a buff somehow
mighty ermine
their turn speed without duo is frankly pretty sad
earnest ravine
The aiming on Fog slows me down while I can set and forget the crystals to one side of the room or to chunk a group from behind. I like it but- pretty much what Prank said.
subtle shale
I legit wanna run Blitz Disc with the crystals and make a summon/turret build
mighty ermine
especially when you've got elysium warriors leaping around or even with forced overtime
rancid shore
Weird/bad? idea: change the regular tracking speed to crystal clarity speed; then, make crystal clarity have the beam bend :^)
earnest ravine
THAT'S a fun one, trust me.
And, I like that, but bending lasers seems like.. it may be too much? I'm unsure.
mighty ermine
the duo turning it into basically guaranteed continuous damage barring walls or obstacles sounds very enticing
rancid shore
maybe not like straight towards an enemy but like lean towards the nearest?
mighty ermine
depending on the bend it could even ignore the latter haha
rancid shore
stupid idea: trio boon for crystals; add ares and make it spin :^))
mighty ermine
just turns it into a mini elite snakestone
rancid shore
i do feel like the duo tracking should just be what's normal though and like maybe the new duo could just be 2 beams or whatever
earnest ravine
Heck I'd be happy if it even marked enemies it hit or something to tie in Artemis' boons, but needing it for anything that isn't a boss or an enemy you're actively keeping still is a little rough.
mighty ermine
the duo could even turn it into two beams that hone themselves in on a single target after a short delay, potentially doubling the damage output and keeping the worthwhile tracking
earnest ravine
The fact that it doesn't apply chill already makes it feel kinda out of place for her kit, but I don't know how popular an opinion that is.
earnest ravine
But Rift also has its own set of boons from Ares to improve it.
rancid shore
True
earnest ravine
Demeter only has the duo with Artemis.
But also it is damaging an enemy continuously every .2 seconds so it's not like it's weak without that.
rancid shore
Weirder idea: make it track faster to chill-afflicted foes
Like a turret you can tell what to target or something
turbid needle
Is this on vanilla Crystal Beam or Crystal Clarity?
rancid shore
🤷
My proposal is make crystal clarity tracking just how it normally is and change the actual duo to something different
So if that's the new duo, why not 🤷
earnest ravine
But like it seems the prevailing idea is that the crystals should track as fast as it does on Duos by default? I've heard that a lot and seen it in feedback a few times.
Or heck, make the beams pierce through enemies/shields. That still would be keeping with how Artemis' cast and support fire can get past them while also making it REALLY useful in a lot of situations.
...like I guess I can see the idea MAY be to chill enemies so they stay in place for the crystals to hit them, but in practise? It just doesn't work right now without a lot of effort or a stationary enemy.
rancid shore
does chill even slow enemies enough for that to work
earnest ravine
At like 7+ @.@
subtle shale
being able to pierce shields would be nice considering both other cast replacements are AOE and thus avoids shields by default
earnest ravine
At which point non elites are dead usually
rancid shore
Idea: Completely change the crystals. Instead of a turret, they now function like the benefits package laser thing
subtle shale
I almost think Chill should have less stacks but each stack is worth more
turbid needle
Correct me if I'm wrong, but BP lasers require at least two targets, yes?
rancid shore
Just make it give +1 cast
subtle shale
it's really difficult to get 10 Chill stacks on stuff
rancid shore
Or treat zag as one of the crystals!!
turbid needle
Ooh.
See, that might be neat, though I do like Crystal Beam in its current state.
To be blunt, no Cast starts off as an endgame build.
True Shot gets close, but you still need multiple Casts and Dual Shot to really get it there.
fresh coral
the only probelm I feel with current demeter's cast is that without the upgrade to make it turn faster its useless on anything remotely fast (Aka everything past Tartarus)
turbid needle
I like to drop them on top of particularly fat enemies in Elysium and Styx while I chase the quick enemies.
fresh coral
So it's 2 boons to make your cast useful, at which point just a single poseidon or artemis boon could give you a decent one
rancid shore
I have used and like it enough, but it's pretty hard to use well especially with FO
earnest ravine
Zeus stands pretty strong as one, and I'm a niche person who loves Athena's to no-sell projectiles in all the biomes, so.
But yeah, I don't think tuning the crystals TOO differently is the way to go.
turbid needle
Zeus is cool with Stygian Soul, but ask anyone playing more than 3 months how many Bloodstones they've lost because Electric Shot wanted to be free.
earnest ravine
i would be amongst them to be fair
hearty pilot
or hera yeeting them into oblivion
earnest ravine
I accept it as the cast tax at this point so I stop getting as mad since it even happens with Hunting Blades
rancid shore
Weirdest idea, maybe?: Instead of a static crystal, they now function as friendly brimstones
turbid needle
Better or worse than Hera putting Crush Shot behind walls, @hearty pilot ?
And that's why I haven't switched back to Infernal Soul since Tuesday, @earnest ravine
Never lose a Bloodstone for the rest of a chamber again.
fresh coral
idk, I feel if Demeter's cast needs a change, it'd need to be more akin to her call
hearty pilot
well crush shot is a funny case in that half the time it doesn't really hit anything because it got changed somehow
turbid needle
I'd like occasional Chill pulses from Crystal Beam, if I had to make a change.
hearty pilot
😔
chrome geyser
@golden valley ; so she synergizes crazy good with artemis actually; the crits become x4.5 instead of x3. If I have pressure points or crit chance from something else; i go for aphrodite on a weapon; since she can get flourish to +200% easily. Pure damage wise; without any other effects/boons aphrodite and artemis usually increase similarly if you do the math. All other gods (with the exception of some boon synergies; which is now nerfed due to rarity changes of duos and legendaries. Zeus on rail/fists can pretty much outdamage though.) are outdamaged by these two DPS girls.
If I go for main damage from weapon; i usually try to get artemis or aphrodite. Try her out some; cause she is an insane damage dealer. The weak is more for her synergies with duos (like if you are stuck with ares and doom; you can still reliably apply privileged; which is better than olympian favor (unless you have 7 gods somehow. Or she boosts dio amazingly.)
Obviously do whatever you want, its a single player game after all; but what i mean is she is definitely not outclassed by other gods. Despite weak being defensive; she is an offensive powerhouse. TBH the only truly defensive god we got is athena.
turbid needle
Wait, is someone saying the second-best Olympian needs a buff?
turbid needle
Artemis.
rancid shore
Ah yeah, I can see that
sullen valley
Artemis
chrome geyser
@golden valley posted in feedback that aphrodite seems weak and out of place. And I'm here like "APHRODITE IS A DAMAGE MONSTER I DON'T NEED HER BUFFED OR I WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY WITHOUT HER"
earnest ravine
it was a conversation this morning, apparently, and also someone thinking Aphrodite was too weak? I kinda skimmed it
fresh coral
Artemis is probably the strongest most versatile one yeah
rancid shore
It's just really a weird stance to take on literally the highest damage modifier god
fresh coral
Crit works on every weapon and her boons generally are super strong
hearty pilot
wait what are we discussing
rancid shore
Aphrodite
chrome geyser
Aphrodite? Yay or nay.
hearty pilot
i kinda just popped in to meme
hmm. i think aph is pretty good because of her easy gateway into PS plus she has the highest dmg boost for boons
chrome geyser
Well; memes are for #h1-discussion ; so if you wanna meme just make sure you say sthng like 'artemis best girl' sometimes to be providing. /s
hearty pilot
weak is a welcome form of DR but i wish she incorporated charm more. also crush shot got nerfed and its hella weird now
rancid shore
what even is crush shot now
chrome geyser
What is the nerf?
rancid shore
I haven't taken it in a while
hearty pilot
its like a weird sliding thing now
golden valley
Hold on, i never said Weak felt out of place. @chrome geyser I said, in comparison of other gods abilities, i think weak could need some supplementary support, and i mentioned it could have been my own affinity being low towards her. Weak is a wonderful thing to give her, it's hilarious.
hearty pilot
its so... different than what used to be a shotgun
chrome geyser
all good; i prob warped your point a bit
turbid needle
I believe they nerfed Weak during Long Winter.
chrome geyser
I havent taken her cast in a while
hearty pilot
good
earnest ravine
It does feel abnormally short range now, too, like, weirdly so? It might just be my mind playing tricks on me with the new animation
golden valley
I WILL say, her cast is awful.
rancid shore
I miss the "fan" shape
hearty pilot
i hope they'll bring it back
hearty pilot
did it? i can't see it being any more problematic than what it is rn
where half the time it doesn't hit enemies
turbid needle
Its hit detection needs work.
chrome geyser
I usually don't mix in the casts that much; since it breaks my combat flow. Unless they have powerful effects. And aphrodite cast does not synergize well. Unless you take the +10 sec boon.
earnest ravine
It might have had the reverse thing of being too strong, especially before the Weak nerfs.
chrome geyser
I think the current damage reduction is fine
earnest ravine
But then now it's kinda just There even with the other parts of her kit being as strong as ever, mostly.
hearty pilot
yeah adjusting the specific percentages for weak doesn't super matter
turbid needle
If I had to guess, its unique travel apparatus has been the issue.
earnest ravine
like i was missing point blank because of hitbox weirdness and it felt. really bad. And I know I need to get better at aiming it from that but it was still underwhelming and wasted tiem when I swore it should have killed something.
turbid needle
All other Casts have travel time, actually carry through the air before they land, etc.
But Crush Shot lets Zag channel Trunks for a moment, and then the Bloodstone appears at the end.
lime estuary
Aphrodite’s original cast was one of the best casts in the game, so I understand why they nerfed it
But the current version swung the pendulum way too far in the other direction
subtle shale
So THAT'S why Zag's main weapon is a sword 🤔
yeah the new Crush Shot is...off a bit
turbid needle
[Theseus appears with his chariot] "You need to be stopped!"
subtle shale
I think most other Aphro abilities are balanced by not having the utility others do. Athena's deflect is insanely useful at times and Poseidon is by far the best trash clearer
nothing quite wrecks Styx's claustrophbic rooms quite like wall slams
chrome geyser
Athena deflect is good on dash because it is the only defensive boon provider (besides applying weak; but I'll take 100% damage block thank you)
Poseidon best room clearer for sure.
hearty pilot
hmm
i think poseidon is honestly debatable.
i could see a case being made that displacing enemies makes it harder to kill them without and thus slows down room clearing
earnest ravine
Zeus is a really good trash clearer without that issue, but they're both pretty strong for it.
subtle shale
I like taking Athena Attack on something fast like fists or flurry sword
chrome geyser
Poseidon: Room clear
Zeus: Damage for high attack rate and duos
Dionysus: Hit and run, and cast synergy
Ares: Same with dio; but more duo/legend dependent. Can outdps dio with the correct build
Athena: Damage mitigation
Aphrodite: Consistent high damage and duos
Artemis: Highest damage
Demeter: Damage and slow
This is what all the gods are good for; for me.
Athena attack on mittens is realy good-
Leaves dash for something else
And ORAORAORA pretty much ensures you never get hit.
subtle shale
Zeus is great for trash clear too with like most of the shield specials
chrome geyser
Better if you get the dash-strike in between combos hammer.
hearty pilot
i cant exactly say im a voice of authority bc im currently doing hell mode so i havent experienced the new update with high heat but tbh my only goal is trigger PS and thats it with boons lmao
subtle shale
Aspect of Chaos + Zeus special = fun times
chrome geyser
My shield runs start with zeus keepsake for this reason.
subtle shale
Blitz Disc is just insanely fun
for Bonus Fun, take Poseidon attack and knock things into your shield turret
hearty pilot
play ring around the rosie and let the shield chase you if you have more than 2 dashes
earnest ravine
I find Posidien kinda interferes with how I use the blitz disk, but that does sounds fun if you keep it as a turret