Does anyone find Gauntlets really slow? Like the slow-mo after every hit is a bit too much
#h1-builds-and-combat
river garden
rancid shore
if they want us to do that i wish they'd let us use the mirror in the skelly room >.>
sacred idol
Surprisingly High Confidence is... viable... for me at 10 heat Chaos shield?
bold salmon
https://i.imgur.com/wkMmRal.png Havent even fought hydra yet and got 2 legendaries and a duo.
rancid shore
that's definitely one of the meant for shield perks
sacred idol
Green Mirror is surprisingly nice... on shield
I predict all green will be a pain in the ass on GY or something
river jacinth
the new sword is one of the most satisfying weapons i have ever used in a game
up there with like, the bfg in doom
incredible
rancid shore
how do i get arthur
dusky drum
talk to nyx after you get guan yu
sacred idol
You have to have Guan Yu and all Sword aspects.
rancid shore
oh all sword aspects right
river jacinth
i don't have all sword aspects and i have arthur
elfin pulsar
you also have to do a run first
river jacinth
pretty sure
sacred idol
Huh. It says sword aspects
rancid shore
hmm
river jacinth
i might be wrong on the aspects thing actually
but im pretty sure i never bought the second one
elfin pulsar
i had to do a run, she just said something about hermes
river jacinth
maybe it was because i logged in before saving after i finished a run then
i didn't get the prompt for the new weapon
or the new room
rancid shore
i have all the things you guys said now and game pls ;;
rancid shore
yes
sacred idol
Ruthless dash is surprisingly... nice?
elfin pulsar
haha yeah
sacred idol
That single iframe buff feels pretty huge
surprising for me, I usually tend to be incapable of using these things effectively
the iframe timing is so much more generous
drowsy island
are u on the right version?
obsidian timber
Anyone experiencing frame drop in the game after the patch? :/
elfin pulsar
not really here
hallow nest
has anyone tried mits?
obsidian timber
The frame was fine until I got Demeter Special boon
I am guessing it's because of all the effect from it but not so sure :/
elfin pulsar
yeah im almost done with a 10 heat run with the gloves
bold salmon
So my build was super fun but hermes rapid cast just suddenly broke so im getting screwed over now
elfin pulsar
honestly pretty disappointed
serene nexus
Thoughts on what aspect of gloves to go with first?
hallow nest
oh?
rancid shore
do you also think the fist special feels really slow in a bad way?
serene nexus
to unlock
elfin pulsar
yeah theres a lot of stuff I don't like about it
the special is slow which I guess is supposed to be weighty but it doesnt do all that much
the main attack combo is boring and not that satisfying
sacred idol
Does anyone like the fists
elfin pulsar
and theres not much else going on
hallow nest
what does it do?
rancid shore
oh god it's so much worse with the special hammer
serene nexus
Essentially you have a built-in combo meter.
elfin pulsar
which special hammer?
rancid shore
quake cutter
elfin pulsar
i love the rush kick hammer
sacred idol
also, the bow in general feels RIP this update
elfin pulsar
ahh
serene nexus
the more successive hits you do the greater the damage.
rancid shore
it's way way too slow
elfin pulsar
rush kick hammer is the best thing about this weapon so far
robust geyser
Yeah, the bow is now more floppy and noodly than before.
Game feel wise, not necessarily balance wise.
serene nexus
Which aspect should you focus on first?
rancid shore
quake cutter is bad enough that i'm restarting
sacred idol
No love for it whatsoever - only a nerf to Chiron again and a Darkness update that kind of kills Hera bow if you use it.
elfin pulsar
@stable garden yeah go to bed
sacred idol
No, I mean, balance-wise it feels kind of bad
sacred idol
What in the fresh hell is a Malphon?
warm quail
anyone know how to get in the new room?
stable garden
ye wanna know as well
tight bridge
@sacred idol its almost me... xD
elfin pulsar
after I loaded up and suicided a run rq I got the big quest from nyx for the new sword, and then I could sleep
solid cairn
you gotta buy a thing for 3 diamonds in the contractor
elfin pulsar
if that doesn't work then idk
warm quail
Ive looked in the contractor and I dont see it
civic barn
@warm quail when the game asks you to sleep
elfin pulsar
have you got the dream cutscene with it?
rancid shore
you need to get the dream first
warm quail
ah I see
civic barn
do so, and then you'll get the contract
warm quail
thanks
solid cairn
oh yeah that
stable garden
how do u get the dream cutscene
solid cairn
sleep in your bed
solid cairn
ok I don't know how to feel about excalibur
sacred idol
okay, definitely agree that the power shot fx is too weak
solid cairn
I was super hyped but it's died down a little
elfin pulsar
idk if its the extra i-frame or the animation being slower but hades feels way easier
civic barn
the i-frame definitely helps a lot
smoky narwhal
are the fists purchasable with keys
civic barn
i'm dodging chariots way more often
runic crown
What's Excalibur's ability?
civic barn
you need keys initially, yes
smoky narwhal
ok i dont see it tho ;-;
left timber
the hitstop with the fists is a little
daring nymph
The new weapon is so amazing!
left timber
its pretty strong so far
daring nymph
Already completed a run with it
I think if you run Demeter with the splash damage once you have 10 stacks
Is pretty dope
solid cairn
what do you guys think of arthur aspect
civic barn
the freeze on upper might need some adjustments but i actually don't mind it right now
elfin pulsar
gonna try an excalibur run now
civic barn
demeter is so good with her own aspect
elfin pulsar
the fists seem pretty strong but im not a fan
hasty mauve
I can't find anything in tech fix that would help 
. Epic Games is not downloading the patch. It just says 1 day until patch
rancid shore
the freeze just feels so bad to me
daring nymph
Also, why does nyx look so awesome now 
somber epoch
How are punching guns
tidal thorn
lol
hard holly
Basically sword with a line special instead of an AoE special
somber epoch
@hasty mauve did you restart epic client?
daring nymph
Is there a wiki entry about how to get the companions
hard holly
Not that fun tbh
daring nymph
Having a really hard time unlocking them
left timber
yeah the game just stops for like half a second every time i uppercut 3 or more enemies
hasty mauve
Yeah a couple of times @somber epoch 🤔
left timber
the hitstop is heinous
sacred idol
LMAO Darkness troves are now nearly a full heal.
somber epoch
How is new sword aspect
solid cairn
weird
somber epoch
Plz explain
somber epoch
Is special difference?
solid cairn
special creates an area that slows down enemies and their projectiles
runic crown
Oh good! The sword has range now!
somber epoch
Za warudo
elfin pulsar
and makes u take less dmg
tidal thorn
@daring nymph Give nectars to Meg, Than, Dusa, Skelly, Sis. You get them eventually.
solid cairn
seems pretty hard to use effectively
sacred idol
Oof, fish codex starts from 0.
wise ibex
patroclus just decided to crash my game
elfin pulsar
the excalibur dash attack is pretty awful
daring nymph
Thank you @tidal thorn
elfin pulsar
about half the range of the regular stab
solid cairn
I don't think exaclibur is that good overall
robust geyser
I must say I quite like the fists.
They're a bit dorky, and the sound Zag makes when using special is very, very much dorky.
wise ibex
murder mittens
elfin pulsar
when did excalibur fall off for you? its like a knife thru butter in tartarus
solid cairn
elysium
elfin pulsar
makes sense
left timber
lads
elfin pulsar
did you have any forced overtime on?
solid cairn
always elysium
left timber
the sword in the stone is different from excalibur
elfin pulsar
yeah but what kinda name is "sword in the stone"
solid cairn
no you just need to do a run and die
smoky narwhal
bet
scarlet kindle
excalibur seems really nice
somber epoch
I like these weird aspects
left timber
i dunno ask the saxon boys
scarlet kindle
200 base damage on the 3rd hit is really good
solid cairn
what attack boon do you recommend for excal
scarlet kindle
probably artemis or aphrodite
left timber
for all it's worth the sword in the stone only served as proof of arthur's kingship
somber epoch
Woah what if you got hermes attack speed on excal
elfin pulsar
aphrodite for sure IMO
solid cairn
hermes attack speed makes a huge difference
solid cairn
get all sword aspects and guan yu aspect then do runs until nyx has a ! above her
elfin pulsar
they seem pretty fun to me
hot fiber
anyone tried the arthur aspect?
robust geyser
How much titan blood does excalibur cost?
scarlet kindle
yes, although i havent had time to do a run with it
dense locust
The boons when they are on the ground look strange now
scarlet kindle
i think 3 per rank like guan yu
solid cairn
hard to explain
scarlet kindle
its a much slower but wider ranged and higher damage attack, special gives a damage reduction aura, and it gives you 50 max hp just by having it
sage vale
mmkay not gonna play gloves until they fix the special freeze frame
hot fiber
i dont understand why the deciede to make an aspect the strongest out of all
late game runs you will just go with the best one
always
unless really bored
dense locust
I wonder why they decided to change how the boons look on the ground. They are so saturated now
hot fiber
i like the new look
sage vale
i don't, but it's just a question of getting used to
civic barn
the old ones are easier to identify
sage vale
it makes sense design-wise, new players will have an easier time identifying them via color correlation
as opposed to symbols
civic barn
but i don't dislike the new ones; it makes more aesthetic sense with the whole line to the world above
scarlet kindle
ok aphro with arthur aspect is very good
gusty nexus
That moment when you about to punch your father with his mother in law's weapon.
sacred idol
I like the glowing light pillar and the golden ring, but the 3D spinning icons look kinda... eh
also @sage vale some people are colorblind.
rancid shore
i am color blind. i would rather have static symbols than try to rely on color
placid silo
My game has been crashing ever since I entered Sisyphus' chamber. Help?
scarlet urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/687014978481291314/unknown.png
First run after the update.
And I'm finally finding it!
Not only that I'm finding it super early on..
sage vale
colorblind mode is another discussion imo
wise ibex
itll take some time to get used to thats for sure
sage vale
I don't really enjoy the new design but I can understand the philosophy behind it
dense locust
I think I'd like the new ones more if they left a little gap around the god's symbol
sage vale
yeah that's fair
dim rapids
so i just noticed
rancid shore
you dont need colorblind mode if you just design your game visually clearly without needing to rely on color
which it had been more so before
dense locust
Also I am so used to the old ones that it will take some time to adjust
Wow the new heat is freaking hard
sacred idol
I think generally I dislike how small UI icons have become.
cosmic shadow
By Olympus, the gauntlets' kick upgrade feels like it was made specifically for the Hydra fight
dense locust
I am doing a run with just that maxed and some enemies are freaking beef cakes
wanton raptor
yall , how do you unlock the arthur aspect?
sacred idol
@dim rapids What do you mean blood fountain isn't offered
ripe parrot
Well considering the varying types and degrees of colorblindness I'd say you DO need colorblind mode, regardless of what colors you're using and how.
cosmic shadow
it makes leaping around the heads so easy
scarlet urchin
I like the little line from above for the boons... Like their power is trickling in from the world above. But I think I overall liked the old ones design better...
Or maybe it's just getting used to.
cosmic shadow
@wanton raptor talk to Nyx on a new house visit
daring nymph
Question, is it just me or are Poseidons boons always meh
wanton raptor
okay thank youuu
cosmic shadow
so go turn on 400% trap damage and walk into spikes real quick
sacred idol
They're not always meh, they're very situational...
They're the best for killing large crowds, but the worst for bosses.
ripe parrot
Poseidon boons shine in close quarters rooms
dim rapids
loot boons are pretty insane
cosmic shadow
Poseidon's pretty sick when paired with Zeus
sacred idol
Man, common boon central feels pretty bad
But getting more boons and legendaries feels good when it does work out
wise ibex
im currently having a poseidon zeus run that just happened to fall in my lap and ive basically been cackling the whole asterius and theseus battle
elfin pulsar
its a whole new keepsake
left timber
ok random single chariot in tartarus erebus
cosmic shadow
wait what happened to Guan Yu
also oh god I take it all back
the kick upgrade is AWFUL against the tiny chariots
because it gets you right into them and their on-death explosion
sullen valley
Hey what's your guys' time right now?
hard holly
Alright, after dying on my second 1-heat run with Gauntlets, I can say
cosmic shadow
On the clock?
hard holly
I really dont like it
sullen valley
Yesp
dim rapids
holy crap
cosmic shadow
0:22, what about it
sullen valley
In the Afternoon right?
cosmic shadow
No at night
sullen valley
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
cosmic shadow
Oh yeah the boons look really weird
cosmic shadow
Was that just for Charon's shop?
cosmic shadow
I think they looked just fine on the floor or maybe I didn't pay enough attention
dim rapids
wait wait wait
hard holly
That one is scripted
cosmic shadow
also, opinions on the alternative mirror options?
cosmic shadow
a bunch of them seem kind of dubious
dim ridge
What is the new Poseidon legendary?
hard holly
Some are questionable, most seem nice though
dim ridge
Is it an additional one or did it replace double waves?
dim rapids
lmao holy crap
gusty nexus
Fist weapon is probably going to be up there in my top fav weapons
dim rapids
the small spawning circles for numbskulls are smol af
wise ibex
http://prntscr.com/ree68u did a quick-ish no heat run n this thing was fun
scarlet kindle
the +20% is a lot
dense locust
I do appreciate the new visual for razor shoals
wise ibex
to get the murder mittens
scarlet kindle
ended up getting a ton of fish that run
cosmic shadow
also warning, the AoE damage from Quake Cutter doesn't get boosted by special-boosting skills
it's 80 no matter what, can't crit either
dim ridge
Even with "everything can crit" from artemis?
scarlet kindle
im pretty sure its not +20% of what the normal fish rate is, it gives you a 20% chance for fish each room that can have fish
which is really good with chaos
sacred idol
Wow. Quake Cutter sounds even worse than others have mentioned then
@woven crane f10 bugs
dim rapids
right now the only good thing i'm seeing so far is that the enemy variants are free heat
they seem pretty useless in general?
unless i'm playing at too low heat right now, i'm only testing them
cosmic shadow
"with everything can crit"
Okay not sure about that
I had the special skill from artemis
didn't have pressure points
sacred idol
Mmmmm
Non-scaling is non-scaling
but I'm not sure, piercing wave should be the same
dense locust
Idk, I am playing with only the enemy variants maxed, and the skulls had huge shields and lasers tied between all of them
dim rapids
also since when do spike traps deal 10 damage?
dense locust
Took a long time to kill them
dim rapids
might be unlucky
the laser and shield ones are annoying
RNG dependent i guess
i'm just using maxed shield of chaos too
maybe that's why lmao
dense locust
I'd say it was the most common 2 buffs for them lol
dim rapids
wait wait wait
to complete codex for fish you need to catch chaos fish as well
guess that's gonna be impossible af then?
dense locust
Im doing my first run with aspect of chaos shield as well
dim rapids
i've literally played for 100 hours and i've only seen 1 chaos fish
livid dew
who is a fun god to use with the fist weapon
jagged cairn
170 hours here and still just 1 Chaos Fish
hard holly
Yeah Quake Cutter is bad
livid dew
i was thinking posedion and magnet fist might a fun duo. knockback and pull
sage vale
i can't bear the time stop on glove special
sacred idol
Which Aspect of Malphon should I start with?
hard holly
Gauntlets in general are kinda not that good and not fun
rancid shore
talos seems fun
sick dome
They seem super fun
civic barn
seems a bit early to be making your final decision about it
sacred idol
I find it fun
sick dome
Yeah give it more than a few hours lol
clever belfry
Gaunlets feel kinda clunky
livid dew
yeah attack speed and dodge seems fun. imma try the magnet one first cause i dont have titan blood to upgrade the attack speed one.
sacred idol
It's just the special timestop thing that feels bad
silver seal
@dim rapids maybe with poseidon leg it'll happen more often
livid dew
i hope they end up making a7th weapon but chances for that will be slim
dense locust
The freaking 8 floating purple eyeball heads coming out of the bow/spearmen...
thorny edge
twin fists with zeus attack is cool
civic barn
the timestop is honestly not that bad for me
clever belfry
Feels like its lagging a lot because of the time stop
rancid shore
I overall really love how the fists feel but the slow mo is egh
dim rapids
i'm pretty sure there's still internal fishing limits
rancid shore
i thought my frames were dropping at first
dim rapids
10 rooms or something
livid dew
what is the timestop thing everybody is talking about?
civic barn
i'm actually not sure why everyone is really down on it
flat cape
Which of the two rerolls do you guys prefer?
rancid shore
if you hit an enemy with the fist special it slows everything down a little
civic barn
i'm even running on demeter aspect and the timestop is almost buggy looking long; that i can see being readjusted
dim rapids
timestop
sacred idol
@toxic tusk I think the total with +Legendary is higher, but I do feel like reducing the base rate feels bad.
dim rapids
so we're dio with za warudo fists then
most new talents are pretty crap in comparison
sacred idol
also, I actually prefer classic Fated Authority? I ended up not rolling my boon list a lot
dim rapids
honestly
sacred idol
Although I can see it being super useful
dim rapids
i'm too used to rerolling rooms compared to boons
sacred idol
A lot of the new talents feel REALLY strong
rancid shore
whenever i reroll a boon i usually get one of the previous options again
sacred idol
The only downside of Darkness healing is that it has zero effect once you get to Styx.
Except bouldy, but that's a smol heal
very smol
toxic tusk
@sacred idol I really need to try that, but for me the reduction rate it's really bad right now without the mirror update
runic crown
You can still buy Darkness from the Wells right?
dim rapids
darkness healing is pretty garbage unless you're purposefully going for darkness
that's my opinion at least
hard holly
I mean if a weapon fails to convince me in 2 seperate runs, its not going to convince me overall
dim rapids
or unless you've already finished all heat
dim rapids
in that case boss is a full heal
rancid shore
dont forget that any darkness ups make your heals bigger
sacred idol
It's better than the previous version.
hard holly
My main issue with Gauntlets is that it just feels like Sword with a worse special
dim rapids
stubborn defiance is basically bad
dim rapids
ruthless reflex is kinda... decent but sketchy
hard holly
There isnt really anything interesting about it
hard holly
I mean, I guess dash upper was supposed to be the special thing, but it doesnt really feel that way
dim rapids
fiery presence is godly for hestia sniper crit build
scarlet kindle
i have gotten excalibur with double nova, super nova, epic swift fluorish, and epic deadly fluorish
dim rapids
but other than that not really
hard holly
I was hoping for something more combo-tastic
scarlet kindle
this is dumb and i love it
rancid shore
dash upper doesnt feel impactful like it should somehow
lime estuary
Speaking of sword, what’s everyone’s impression of the Arthur aspect?
rancid shore
it feels like a regular dash attack
dim rapids
abyssal is bad, stygian soul is bad, golden touch is pretty good, high confidence is bad because privileged is 50%
family favourite/olympian legacy/god's chosen is kinda bvad imo
rancid shore
doesnt high confidence replace the health
sacred idol
oh, god's chosen is fairly good
Legacy...
The problem is that they nerfed legendary rate baseline
glad flume
scarlet kindle
the 50 max health isnt that necessary if you get enough max hp boosts
or excalibur
rancid shore
also the trade off is like a 10% to 16% extra damage with family favorite. it's p good if you don't want to be fumbling trying to get priv with like an artemis build
toxic tusk
If the duo/legendary rate would stay the same, that would be nice
lime estuary
I really don’t like how the huge swings are part of its basic combo
scarlet kindle
stubborn defiance is interesting?
lime estuary
I find myself dashing around enemies to go for a quick stab only to get stuck in a huge windup animation
sacred idol
High Confidence is good if you have plenty of Hearts or Excalibur, yeah
and absolutely atrocious otherwise
dim ridge
What does high confidence do?
dim rapids
personally i'm just gonna go back to my old and reliable stuff
only exchanging the gold
because it's broken if you save up
i just did a run with all the new talents
sacred idol
personally I think Chthonic Vitality sucks
dim rapids
for the fated list
and holy crap i got a lot of commons
stubborn defiance is bad for high heat runs
sacred idol
Gods' Chosen does feel really impactful though...
sacred idol
I had a lot of boons and could get a build together more reliably.
lime estuary
I deffo prefer Dark Regen
sacred idol
although I think Poms are kind of not great to have in it
Fated Persuasion is fine
Just needs to not dupe
hard holly
Like, ironically the Arthur aspect feels less like sword than the gauntlets do
toxic tusk
@sacred idol sums up perfectly what I wanted to say 
sacred idol
Abyssal Blood is okay. It's more defensive, which is fine if you're not as good as Genesis 
lol >100 streak
if you're that good, you don't get any use case out of the defensive flips
Stygian Soul feels bad.
It tanks your DPS on cast and breaks two whole aspects for a tiny bit of convenience.
Family Favorite is fine
It's passive, so you don't get screwed by no status, and it works perfectly on Hunting Blades attempts where getting status is kind of... eeh?
Like "pray for REALLY good RNG if you want status today"
Ruthless reflex is legit though, with new iframes. Needs Hermes to give you dashes to compensate though, or Hades is gonna eat you.
dim rapids
rip my styx trove though
dim rapids
also i'm not really that good, i can't nohit most stuff
in fact i often just dps race through some
shadow presence is good at higher heat
at lower heat probably the alternate is ok
sacred idol
I mean, you haven't lost a run, you're better than a ton of people lol
*since the first few
sacred idol
can someone make feedback to make Quake Cutter less awful?
elfin pulsar
making it through elysium with excalibur without any problem, its just slow going
toxic tusk
Gold Touch seems like a good option that gives you more money than Deep Pockets, at least during your run
sacred idol
@dim rapids some enemies/weapons just seem to be really bad for backstabs at all
the fists can't do it in any way?
weird
a lot of enemies just have no backstab multiplier or something
Theseus' hitbox is so jank I'm not sure he has one, because front hits are all resistance anyway
hydra? no backstab
Can't get a bonus if enemies don't have backs.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/687025461599141889/unknown.png I use this Mirror setup for now.
hard holly
I gotta say, Im surprised at how popular the fists seem to be
sacred idol
Ruthless vs Greater is a flex slot, I think at 40% Overtime I would turn it off
runic crown
10K Darkness???? Does Nyx think Darkness grows on trees????
elfin pulsar
idk if olympian legacy is worth it but I like the rest of those
using pretty much the same
sacred idol
I hate how unreliable backstabs are in general. Darkness heal is better because it's massive, and you get so many darkness pulls unavoidable anyway.
elfin pulsar
common boons just feel so awful
dim rapids
huh
sacred idol
not turning that off until they unnerf it
dim rapids
touch of styx is pretty nice
also
olympian legacy is pretty garbage in my experience
the amount of common boons i've gotten is crazy
elfin pulsar
thats what i'd figure
dim rapids
missing out on 50% rare chance
sacred idol
rare isn't that good either way, though
dim rapids
is so bad
rare is way better than common for some
for artemis maybe not that important
for aphro more so
sacred idol
Gods' Chosen is kinda...
I mean, it's a tough choice.
On one hand, commons instead of epics are trash
On the other hand
It results in a lot more reliable boon spawns
dim rapids
also some boons are heavily reliant on being highest rarity
sacred idol
I didn't have the "2 boon syndrome"
dim rapids
from what i know
sacred idol
which is kind of run-killing bad
ripe parrot
I never pumped any Darkness into the Rare mirror thing anyway so I gladly swapped it
sacred idol
abyssal blood is okay, on that note, I found it fairly useful when I didn't have dio cast
ripe parrot
Did anybody else have enough Titan's Blood saved up to insta max all the aspects btw?
I was two shy of being able to do it
Had to trade in some Ambrosia
rapid holly
Yeah I noticed lots of commons in 5ish runs. Didn't think I'd miss rares
dim rapids
also i take back what i said about the elite variants being free heat
i'm on 0% overtime
and the speedy ones are freaking speedy
sacred idol
There's one elite that's super tanky
hard citrus
I also got stubborn defiance even tho I have death defiance chosen
dim rapids
i have like
100+++ blood
but i didn't upgrade all aspects lol
i don't upgrade the aspects i don't use
sacred idol
bruiser is absurdly tanky
hard citrus
meant got stubborn defiance boon*
sacred idol
Why would you not upgrade them if you have so much more blood?
hallow sorrel
Geez, I can't even imagine that. I'm still in the early game and I've gotten maybe 4 blood total.
stable garden
hoarder
ripe parrot
The only Elite that really gave me grief is the Giant Vermin ones in Styx.
stable garden
getting most weapons to 10 heat is pre easy so thats free 20 blood for you :p
dim rapids
there's a reason why i have 21k gems and i dno't want to buy all contractor upgrades
stable garden
if you trade in ambrosia/diamonds
dim rapids
LMAO
ripe parrot
If you don't have any form of stunlock those dudes are tanky AF
sacred idol
rofl
dim rapids
i literally farm all troves in runs
even at 20 heat
hoarder syndrome is real for me
i don't even buy the diamond stuff
even though i have more than enough
sacred idol
Do the fists have the same... issues as Sword?
sacred idol
Namely, you know, you have no range and you get shreked
dim rapids
not what i want
ripe parrot
So far I think the fists are fun af
elfin pulsar
the fist special goes pretty far
ripe parrot
And I never struggled w/ the sword so I'm not sure what to say.
elfin pulsar
the rats in temple of styx messed me up
ripe parrot
But Demeter Fists are OP
elfin pulsar
everything else was easy with fists
sacred idol
which aspects though
I think Demeter needs to be 10 hits
12 hits is kind of
2 combos, pause, 2 hits
ripe parrot
Just do three full ones.
scarlet kindle
i dont think orpheus conversations about him being unable to sing should trigger if he already regained the ability to sing
scarlet kindle
especially if hes already singing
ripe parrot
x]
rancid shore
i think that its faster and more mobile really helps with some of the sword problems
scarlet kindle
just got a conversation where hades asked orpheus to sing, while orpheus was already singing
dim rapids
also
ripe parrot
My goal is not to achieve the optimal DPS it's to have fun
dim rapids
am i the only one that misses the old poison indicator
dim rapids
it was way easier to track the 5 poison counters
sacred idol
also no, the tiny icons suck
sacred idol
@ripe parrot I'm bad at this game, so the longer enemies stay alive, the more they murder me.
rancid shore
lmao i have both aph and dio in the styx shop and i almost cant tell them apart
sacred idol
So the DPS loss matters to me only as far as my issues... living
ripe parrot
I doubt that you're bad.
sacred idol
Well, I am.
ripe parrot
You're probably just more suited to a different playstyle than I am.
What weapon do you mainly use?
hard holly
Gauntlets have swords issues, and then some, yeah
sacred idol
"What's avoiding damage? Don't you just eat the spin like a chump?" bad.
ripe parrot
Hahaha.
runic crown
I do like the way the new boons look but just make them large and remove the spinning
inland pebble
Is there any way we can see the details of the amoured foes' "perks"?
I only see a list of them
hard holly
Its basically sword with a special that doesnt help you get enemies off of you
runic crown
The glow from the heavens is cool
hard holly
And with probably worse damage
inland pebble
but no details which would do what
dim rapids
also i legit can't tell what all the modifiers are lol
ripe parrot
But I like how the fists look and feel.
It may not be the greatest weapon but it's been super fun so far.
I've always wanted a rougtelite where I can just punch the heck outta some dudes.
rancid shore
oh dude
elfin pulsar
@inland pebble the patch notes has descriptions, idk about in-game
wise ibex
one day ill assault theseus with the murder mittens n i cannot wait
hard holly
I mean I can get the looks part
They look great
But I cant say that they feel great
They just feel like a less fun sword to me
elfin pulsar
agreeed
they really had a perfect opportunity to make a combo based weapon
but instead its just stubby sword
ripe parrot
Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
sacred idol
Also, why do none of the aspects give it range
rancid shore
theres a range hammer
rancid shore
it's called long knuckle
ripe parrot
It's pretty cool to see how many different facets of enjoyment there are for this game through interaction with you guys.
sacred idol
I find it a lot more fun than the sword.
stable garden
this lets you use your dice to reroll door or boon
ripe parrot
It also SOUNDS nice.
stable garden
so just another option if you dont like choosing
sacred idol
At least, in terms of how it handles in Skelly room
lime estuary
I agree
sacred idol
It's a lot faster and less clunky, except for that weird uppercut delay.
lime estuary
My big problem with sword is how slow it is
ripe parrot
I like the uppercut delay it feels inspired by fighting games.
lime estuary
This feels way better
sacred idol
Without that freeze frame, it's far smoother than sword and much faster - amazing feeling with Zeus fists
burnt rune
Ruthless Dodge and Greater Reflexes make me feel dirty
dense locust
is there a hit counter for aspect of demeter anywhere?
ripe parrot
Like with fists I just feel like I'm running around as Little Mac.
rancid shore
hard agree with felis
ripe parrot
I love Demeter because it gives all those extra uppercut hits and those are really satisfying to me.
dense locust
ok
wise ibex
i think that uppercut delay is kind of buggy cus if you punch air it goes thru smoothly unless they intended it to go slow motion only when you actually hit things but that doesnt sound fun
sacred idol
Is there a hammer that gives each subsequent hit of the main combo more damage?
hard holly
I mean I do like the aesthetic and sound design of the Gauntlets
Just not the weapon itself
But hey, I need to start learning how to mod games anyway, might try my hands at a gauntlet rework
sacred idol
By the way, 'combo based' seems to be covered by Demeter aspect and the Concentrated Knuckle hammer.
dense locust
The demeter 5 hit special def needs some work as far as animation. It basically freezes the game
hard holly
Eh, thats not really combo-based
sacred idol
I just think subtracting 2 hits from Demeter's combo would be way better
hard holly
Combo to me is more weaving attacks and specials inbetween
Right now its just stubby sword
sacred idol
Or
ripe parrot
With an active combo meter.
hallow sorrel
People disagreed with my idea to split bloodstones between shots with Aspect of Hera and Triple Shot. Why is that a bad idea? It's the only reason I tried using Triple Shot in the first place.
rancid shore
i still feel like special should be heavy hit instead of immediately uppercut but i'm not really complaining. other than the slow issue it feels p nice
ripe parrot
It would be cool to break it free from the 5-hit auto strings.
sacred idol
What if Demeter Aspect could stack multiple charges?
ripe parrot
And have a combo number you build up with uninterrupted hits.
sacred idol
That is, every 5 hits stacks up part of it
And then you have two different moves at 1 or 2 stacks or even 3
dense locust
That'd be nice because its basically a boss killer right now
what can survive an upgraded 5 hit special
hard holly
Not even neccessarily a combo meter
Just being able to use either attack button in chains
And having the attack change based on the button and position in the chain
sacred idol
Oh, that'd make a great 4th aspect
rancid shore
btw the draining cutter hammer is a p nice one relative to like cursed slash
glacial heath
Aspect of insert fighting game character here
rancid shore
aspect of creed
dim rapids
so i literally rerolled 3 times
for boons
and they all offered me the same option
3 times
what
???
glacial heath
oof
serene nexus
... aspect of demeter is really good
glacial heath
I haven't tried any of the glove aspects cause im saving for the sword aspect
hard holly
At least Aspect of Arthur is hella sick
sacred idol
Arthur being highly defensive seems like the perfect fit for me.
sacred idol
Special is hugely defense based, passive 50 health
wise ibex
i like how much movement you keep during attack like you could just bounce around smacking, kind of like the shield but keeping the close up battle of the sword so i think this will maybe be right up my alley cus i liked shield but was a klutz with its special
idle parcel
rapid holly
@dim rapids yep has happened to me too
rancid shore
probably that you hit x number of minibosses?
dim rapids
maybe
i tend to take all miniboss rooms
took all in fact
guess that's a new title then
i always take all miniboss rooms though, so it's definitely a new title
also i love the new random dialogues hades has with ghosts now
hallow sorrel
So,
People disagreed with my idea to split extra bloodstones between shots with Aspect of Hera and Triple Shot. Why is that a bad idea? It's the only reason I tried out Triple Shot in the first place.
rancid shore
you can't really reliably aim 2 of those at 2 other targets
rancid shore
it also spreads them out so you have to pick them up at very separate points
hallow sorrel
I don't really see any other reason to use Triple Shot
rancid shore
and really it's just easier to focus down one enemy at a time with casts rather like that
well that's a problem for all the bows rather than just hera
and it works well with chain shot so 🤷
hallow sorrel
I mean Charon could be interesting with it, for multi-homing.
rancid shore
interesting or bad?
hard bay
hello how can i unlock the twin fist please ?
rancid shore
isnt the point of that to focus a target down?
hallow sorrel
Generally, I suppose, but I would expect Triple Shot to change that.
sacred idol
@hallow sorrel the issue is that Triple Shot is bad without Chain and the thing is, your proposal would make the aspect play even worse.
dim rapids
so am i blind, or where is the permanent record room
hard holly
Triple Shot is used because its the best hammer upgrade for bow
turbid needle
Eeehh.
turbid needle
@dim rapids Door to Achilles's left.
sacred idol
Chiron has no benefit from it
hard holly
Oh, on Chiron
I was thinking specifically regular bow
But on Chiron, fair enough, though Id say the best way to play Chiron is to ignore his gimmick and just play regular bow instead
rancid shore
but the bow special is bad
karmic ginkgo
howd you unlock arthurs sword?
turbid needle
I got Charged Volley, Deadly Strike, and Heart Rend and was getting 2k+ crits with Volley.
hallow sorrel
@sacred idol Why would that make it worse? The ability to quickly distribute cast effect seems potentially massive.
rancid shore
does charged still change the range?
the angle of the 2 extra shots is just not conducive to aiming
hallow sorrel
Imagine triple Dionysus casts
turbid needle
It shortens it, but it's actually usable at just a tap now.
scarlet urchin
rancid shore
did you do the dream?
sacred idol
Charged Volley is no longer usable on Chiron.
turbid needle
Metal Gear?
sacred idol
So uh, Chiron is in a bad place
dim rapids
not sure why community wanted charged volley gone lmao
scarlet urchin
Going to take me a bit of getting used to but hey I netted Divine protection finally.
dim rapids
charged volley on artemis special on chiron was actually a good combo
sacred idol
@hallow sorrel because you wouldn't hit anything
You would fire 2 casts into 2 different walls
dim rapids
not sure why people don't like charged volley on chiron
sacred idol
Instant downgrade
dim rapids
it's freelo clear
sacred idol
Also, no idea
hallow sorrel
They're homing though
daring nymph
turbid needle
Yeah, sounds like they were trying to nerf it.
daring nymph
Not even close
sacred idol
Community suggested change...
daring nymph
tbh
rancid shore
zag says you should try to rest when you enter the room and a flashback dream happens. then you can talk to dad about it next time and unlock the room after
turbid needle
Very nice!
daring nymph
Twin Fists are so fun to use
sacred idol
It's because community discussion apparently gave them the impression Charged Volley was unwanted on Chiron.
Weird
It's the literal only use case I can think of
It's useless everywhere else.
Except shotgun bow
And at that point, just use spread rail, you poor bastard
dim rapids
also now i gotta do so many runs to finish codex
rip
lol
charged volley on chiron is pretty much freelo clear
sacred idol
Triple shot homing, what?
dim rapids
the only time it's arguably not useful is if you're going demeter/ares on it
for special
woven hill
omg so many changes I love this
dim rapids
rip bow i guess
hallow sorrel
Bloodstones and most of their effects are homing, or deal area damage
woven hill
Not a huge fan of the new design for the Olypian boon orbs
rancid shore
the bloodstones are not homing enough to account for that angle
gray lintel
poseidon has the weirdest stuff
dim rapids
so what's the progression to unlock that now
woven hill
Honestly though
dim rapids
because honestly it feels pretty dang useless
woven hill
Maybe this will help with that idk
wise ibex
i think i might have found a bug bois
2nd time it happened
but basically so far it happened woth sisyphus n patroclus
game completetely freezes with the exception of music playing, basically if you go up to them to talk mid them greeting you with that short voice msg
cant even 
it
hallow sorrel
So what's the use of Triple Shot then?
stuck bough
sacred idol
Nothing without Chain Shot.
It's bad
And needs rework or replacement to even be considered.
hard holly
Nah
sacred idol
Just like non Chiron charged volley...
hard holly
Triple shot is still the best hammer upgrade for regular bow
If its bad for chiron, thats bad for Chiron
sacred idol
Unless you literally use the bow in melee range
How so?
It can't hit anything outside of fist range
hard holly
Triple Shot is one of the very few damage amplifications that are multiplicative
sacred idol
Bouncy makes it hit everything so it's awesome...
sacred idol
But non bouncy - missed shots do 0 dps
hard holly
But you also obliterate anything you hit
hard holly
2/3 is a lot less
inland pebble
Oh god, Delta Chamber still sucks
river jacinth
anyone know the exact hp of skelly? i think it's 900
sacred idol
But you don't have to hug Hades in spin range to have any hammer benefit.
hallow sorrel
Even up close, the angle is very wide. You're only going to hit large targets with it.
rancid shore
"This upgrade is the best upgrade for the bow but you have to play it like not the bow" 
sacred idol
@inland pebble It sometimes sucks. But it's an improvement to the dash attack
Don't stand still.
Always use dash to cancel Delta delay
hard holly
Nah, the angle is fine
You can hit all 3 shots on anything except uh
The fire wheels
sacred idol
It becomes faster than standard dash, because standard dash has more delay
hard holly
But you dont want to be close to them either
hard holly
And eh, you still play it like the bow, the dash perfect shot pattern is there
sacred idol
And it can cancel, leading to basically free fire rate on dash attacks
hard holly
You just get closer
Also Im pretty sure Twin Shots range is just below Hades spin range, so youre in range of that either way
sacred idol
@dim rapids lot of quiet nerfs, like Rare chance 40% on god's boon
In range that you can dash out of
Not where you just kind of get caught on the edge
dim rapids
F
sacred idol
Dash power shot is such a pain in the ass to begin with unless you have amazing timing.
oblique tusk
huh, i still have convenience fee
warped oxide
sacred idol
On all power shots.
oblique tusk
power shot timing isn't super lenient, yeah
sacred idol
Since when is power shot forgiving
oblique tusk
i've found that it's not that bad
hard holly
I mean fishing is extremely lenient
rapid holly
I also like triple shot. Tons of damage, not too hard to avoid damage while at point blank
oblique tusk
but it's not exactly super easy
sacred idol
It's a third of a second tops.
dim rapids
huh
sacred idol
What even?
hard holly
Not even close
dim rapids
talos basically pulls everyone to you?
sacred idol
The perfect catch fishing timing is a third according to data files
It was datamined...
hard holly
Anyway, bow is at its best when you hit the powershot
solid cairn
how good is the ruthless dash thing
sacred idol
A second to catch at all, sure
hard holly
And well, I can hit the powershot every time
hard holly
True
sacred idol
It's a very short window...
hard holly
But its supposed to support all playstyles
Thats why the rapid shot is there
Or whatever it was called
sacred idol
The main thing is, it could be made a bit more forgiving on timing.
gaunt cave
First time using the fists and I have 3 chaos special enhancers with athena epic special. This is fun
sacred idol
I used the Carbine a LOT in Bastion, and the Mortar...
Bastion timing was a lot less tight.
solid cairn
so which of the alternate mirror upgrades are worth
gaunt cave
All of that with just entering tartatrus
sacred idol
@solid cairn ruthless is super strong
gaunt cave
I like the new rerolls better
dim rapids
which fist aspect seems the best?
rancid shore
wasn't the bow timing in bastion about the same though?
sacred idol
Fairly easy to proc
hard holly
It could, but
Id at least like an option to keep it as it is
I enjoy narrow perfect timings
sacred idol
@rancid shore not exactly the same, felt a tiny bit more generous to me?
hard holly
Theyre very fun
hallow sorrel
Bow timing was pretty difficult in Bastion
sacred idol
Although I mostly used the carbine
hard holly
Anyway, for those who are confident with their tripleshots and just want maximum damage, Triple Shot is the ideal choice
sacred idol
And powershotting that has decent leeway
hard holly
It hits harder than anything except maxed Hestia Rail
wise ibex
im not a fan of bow ngl, tried it once, crawled to elysium, decided that this just isnt for me
hard holly
And max Hestia Rail is silly
sacred idol
I think Mortar also had a power shot, no?
hallow sorrel
I still think the spread needs tightening for most situations.
sacred idol
I remember landing it a lot more regularly
It may be the way the visual/sound feedback of Coronacht works.
It's less intense now
hallow sorrel
If you want melee, there are plenty of melee weapons.
sacred idol
I know my issue before was the zooming out at full charge
Caused me to mistime a lot
But now it's that the FX is simply too... weak
hard holly
The problem is Talos only buffs attack, not special
And it doesnt affect stuff like Zeus (or at least, shouldnt)
rancid shore
It'd be weird if the special activated thing buffed special
sacred idol
Lol
The pull is better.
But if you use Demeter it should be great @hard holly
Also, in my experience, damage buffs do buff... Blade Rift
hard holly
You cant use Demeter and the Pull though
hard holly
Theyre 2 aspects
sacred idol
Demeter attack arctic blast?
hard holly
Yeah semantic ambiguity
sacred idol
Although she will wreck with her own aspect
dim rapids
guessing now aspect of talos is best?
sacred idol
5x multihit sounds good
dim rapids
demeter feels way overkill
sacred idol
It can't be worse than talos for bosses
hard holly
My experience is that Demeter is neccessary to win with fists
Because they seem to lack in damage for how risky they are
sacred idol
Mmm...
rancid shore
I ran dio with unleveled fists