#h1-builds-and-combat
stable garden
back to back god runs
same run
revenge build + super fast clear with bullrush spam
turbid needle
why do people think zag sword is bad? i appreciate the movespeed
turbid arch
I mean, there are two levels of bad.
Something can be simply bad. Something can also be bad just because the alternatives are better.
In this case, it's the latter. The Zagreus Aspect is nice and cute, but Poseidon and Nemesis exist.
The one gives you an original and superfun to use playstyle, the other one is one of the best weapons in the game.
chrome geyser
God im not having a good day. This is my 5th try to do 20 heat with bow/spear.
I got a great spear build but have no DD's left and at 3rd boss.
I have heard that (i never really tried) the zag aspect of the sword changes all the dash ratios; and screws your reflexes
solid cairn
Nemesis is a recipe to get yourself killed
chrome geyser
I like athena on attack with nemesis too
solid cairn
I think it’s a pretty average aspect
chrome geyser
Why do you think so?
solid cairn
Well for one it’s a slow melee in a fast-paced game
You need a hammer for it to be useable and even then it’s not stellar
chrome geyser
My best weapon after rail is the sword; i don't get why people say sword is bad. You need to be dash-striking.
I disagree; but probably a play style thing.
solid cairn
I’m under the impression that by far the best way to use it is world splitter
chrome geyser
Sword for me is one of the highest dps on attack weapons. The built in crit as multiplicative damage is really nice.
World splitter is just stupid good
solid cairn
You know what else has super high dps?
chrome geyser
In general
solid cairn
Hestia rail
chrome geyser
I mean yes; but you are not limited to artemis on attack for the crits.
chrome geyser
What i like about nemesis is you get incredible crit chance; without giving up easy privilege.
solid cairn
Having to constantly use nova is something I’m not a huge fan of
chrome geyser
With hestia rail; the dps is a lot but to get crits (which is the best dps upgrade in the game) you neet to have artemis on attack.
Which immediately lowers your privilege bonus down.
What i do is i start the nova as i dash in to an enemy.
solid cairn
Nemesis sword is super hard to win with on high heat
solid cairn
I think it’s pretty average overall
chrome geyser
I think it's a playstyle thing because i finish with nemesis ggez every time.
solid cairn
Me with guan yu
chrome geyser
Rail took me a few times.
solid cairn
I beat 16 heat first try it was a joke
chrome geyser
To do 20
solid cairn
I could probs do like 24
chrome geyser
guan yu is good.
solid cairn
I haven’t played hades in a while actually
solid cairn
Guan yu is more than good it’s probably too 3 aspects in the game
chrome geyser
Pretty much yes.
solid cairn
Bruh what
You don’t need crits
Athena, Demeter, and Aphro are good choices for attack
chrome geyser
You don't need crit; but crit is the highest dps upgrade.
I like finishing a game as fast as possible.
solid cairn
Sometimes that’s not the optimal way to play though
quaint gazelle
trying to finish the game as fast as possible is unfortunately what makes me lose a lot of health
turbid needle
Nemesis is better than Guan Yu.
In no particular order: Poseidon, Nemesis, Chaos, Eris, and Hestia are all better.
astral magnet
end of the day it’ll vary based on how well you can use a weapon too, guan yu could easily be your top if it just sorta clicks with you
inland pebble
Yeah nah. That's not it, fam. GY/Shield > Rail > Bow >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sword (now)
granite bramble
how do i unlock 4th bow aspect and is it good?
inland pebble
you meant *spear, right?
granite bramble
i meant bow but im understanding that everyone is saying the spear Guan is best in game LUL
turbid arch
Oh, we are talking weapon aspects? Fun!
inland pebble
4th bow aspect? 👀 Are you playing from the future?
turbid arch
Guan Yu is certainly one of the best if you build it properly.
granite bramble
so there isnt one?
turbid arch
Athenas Attack on it is just game winning by itself.
inland pebble
Not *yet
inland pebble
Well, I believe that the 4th aspect of every weapon would have the potential to be from other worldwide mythology.
And we would get a highlight of them with every big update
granite bramble
is there anything im gonna need keys for after unlocking all the weaps and upgrades?
or should i just trade up
at the dude
granite bramble
ok sweet
inland pebble
Could keep them >15 keys at most of the times to have the chance to trade them in special deal thou.
15 keys = 1 Ambrosia/Tblood is a very good deal to me.
solid cairn
it's legit so much easier to beat 32 heat with guan yu
inland pebble
I expect GY X Athena would be nerfed this Wed
properly taking the Deflect affect out at most
smoky narwhal
thought i could game the system by equipping the coin purse in between stages then going back to the braces but the the box locked up ;-;
granite bramble
does increasing how much the people like you actually do anything?
smoky narwhal
@granite bramble they can give gifts
granite bramble
i mean outside of the first time
smoky narwhal
and doing it with gods increases chance for better boons i thinkk
granite bramble
oh nice
smoky narwhal
not certain dont quote me on that lol
thin tide
I've not seen anything around that - where have you seen that @smoky narwhal ?
smoky narwhal
it may not be confirmed but i feel like it could be a possible added effect, i seem to get higher rarity boons and duo boons from aphrodite, and i've gifted her twice
thin tide
and your saying youve seen less higher tier boons from other gods then?
granite bramble
also what heat do i have to beat to get the gift from skelly?
thin tide
8
granite bramble
is there anything the ambrosia gets used for other than trading for titan blood?
thin tide
yes
@granite bramble with the gift are you referring to the keepsake or the things under the cloth?
because if its the keepsake its not a heat level thing
smoky narwhal
yeah i get mostly common/rares from most gods and more epics and occasionally legendaries from aphrodite and posideon
thin tide
legendry's are just from having the right/enough boons
thin tide
Its worth looking into for sure
granite bramble
the quest the useless trinket says earn the first of skellys prizes
thin tide
IIRC thats from beating heat 8
if you look at the statue with the cloth over it and interact with it i think it says
is the quest/prophecy called eternal rest?
sacred idol
Eternal Rest is Skelly's bond quest, but you just need to interact with the statues to do Trinket
thin tide
IIRC the keepsake/trinket is just giving nectar till it is maxed then getting the request to murder him with the blade
sage vale
do the mirror upgrades actually make the boons of higher rarity appear more often
or just make their effects proc better sometimes?
earnest ravine
The first one.
It increases the appearance rates of Rare or Epic boons respectively.
sage vale
hmm
earnest ravine
It's still random chance but a technically better one.
kind cloud
so i'm watching a bunch of streams from different speedrunners and it seems no one has a good sense for why sometimes hades spin attack hits or misses.
example:
i caught this still from one of haelian's streams. look at zag in the path of the spin. result? no damage. uh...wut?
and that's happened twice so far in the 1st phase on this run to haelian. yes, he has holy shield but that activates after taking damage. it's not like athena's dash which is supposed to activate immediately on dash.
earnest ravine
I think the dash itself by default has a small amount of invul frames. I do that myself, too, so.
idk it's weird but it's something that happens
kind cloud
i'm trying to figure out why last week i had a run where i could deflect hades spin attack perfectly and this week it. just. wouldn't. happen. no. matter. what.
in both runs i had athena's dash. but for whatever reason, i got crushed by hades spin attack this week even after i intentionally tried to dash all over the stage just to see what was happening...
sacred idol
Any Overtime?
earnest ravine
Haelin plays 40% overtime for his runs usually, even for fun.
kind cloud
in both runs i had max overtime. i always plays with that maxed out. most of my runs happen from 10-20 heat. iirc, those runs happened at 13 and 17 heat.
and i'm finishing the stream...this time the spin hit him for 25 damage and holy shield activated right after.
yeah...no one one has a good beat on his spin.
sacred idol
Yeah, it screws with hitboxes
thin tide
FYI guys saying the final bosses name is considered spoilers
naive tusk
@kind cloud Dashing has invulnerability frames. You can dodge attacks with any kind of dash, Athena's is just safer because of Deflect
thin tide
Use FB etc
hushed glacier
That was pure... just Ah man
Don't worry i have no intentions to spoil 😄
Hades is now added to my "Masterpieces" folder in steam 😄
Ofcourse with transistor
Jesus... The chills with the final boss tho
Damn
No spoilers tho 😄
kind cloud
@naive tusk
sure, i know.
I'm trying to figure out why this week my dash was worthless - absolute trash - against the hades spin. in stage 1 of the fight, i intentionally didn't hit him with anything and just tried to test athena's dash against the hades spin. it was quite jarring given how just last week i could frequently and perfectly deflect his spin attack using athena's dash. i can't figure out what changed.
hushed glacier
I just bought the game like 2 days ago and i thought the dash was really good 🙂
I haven't really tried the previous one tho
So i can't really say anything 😅
kind cloud
and last week, i was even able to deflect hades's thrust with athena's deflect (got super lucky on timing twice). that was super eye-opening given that not even the shield can block it perfectly.
mighty ermine
speaking of FB and deflect, this is way too fun to do https://streamable.com/ugz79
kind cloud
yeah, love that.
it's why i'm partial to athena's dash over all else. her deflect is so good against projectiles.
like even in the run where i couldn't deflect hades' spin with athena dash, i could send his projectiles back right at him over and over. saved me a lot of headaches on that at least.
naive tusk
That reminds me of a meme I made some days ago 😂
kind cloud
like, my new strategy is to always take athena keepsake before asphodel if i don't have her dash already. it's a long-term play just for the minotaur and hades fights.
@thin tide wrote "I hate AOE attacks and deflect
it feels so inconsistent"
Yep. Agree.
thin tide
first half dozen runs i used her dash a lot but now i prefer getting some of the others - usually whatever im stacking for combo damage
I havent tested it but i ~think~ you need to deflect in the direction the attack is coming from
take minotaur, if he swings left to right you need to deflect towards where it started
but like i said is just an idea
kind cloud
yeah, minotaur also has this weird swing which sometimes fires one of those pink streaks...it happens sometimes and not others. i don't get it.
i usually aim for wiping out minotaur first (without taking half of theseus health). it's annoying to fight minotaur while theseus uses a call like the wimpy piece of crap that he is.
mighty ermine
asterius also has that weird instant axe swing that sometimes comes out immediately. i've come to expect it, but it feels so unnatural. goes from idle pose straight to an axe swing without the windup he usually does. wonder how intentional or not that variant is
kind cloud
@mighty ermine yeah, i know what you're referring to...
chrome geyser
Athena dash is probably the best. But it depends on your build if you should pick it or not.
Granted 75% of all builds would like athena dash as the best thing.
Can do status (with another boon) and amazing damage mitigation
Actually what let me collect ALL the bounties just now.
God I can semi-relax for a while; then start trying to do the 32 heat challenge.
What heat/weapon should i go for the 32 heat thing?
I can think of hestia rail wanting artemis dash over athena, a lot of bow builds wanting something more offensive on dash, etc etc
naive tusk
Go with GY @chrome geyser
Be that 3rd peep this week to do it with GY 
Also, @unkempt pagoda approves
mortal tendon
GY was very surprising to me. First 50 runs, spear was the worst weapon, last 50, that spear is the greatest. Bow went from First to Worst in my ranking also.
chrome geyser
GY is interesting. Been trying all day to make a 20 heat run work.
Then all of a sudden i have a almost-no-damage fastest run ever (19 mins) with GY
mortal tendon
yeah. I think the heal is a trap with it imo. its just too slow and dangerous. Go artemis special and then try and get hera everything else. The throw damage is just such high burst and special gets very high % bonus
oh and the hammer that allows your special to be considered a charge throw is very powerful.
I also could have been completely mistaken and not noticing i had another boon or something but it seems like rare/epic/heroic on the special (not special speed from hermes) drastically increases the charge up time for power throws and what not also. Dunno if thats known or i was mistaken, but it was quite silly with heroic.
chrome geyser
Erhem. How the HELL is 32 heat run possible?
(I died to tight deadline at 3rd boss) And I had my fastest dps build too. (Zeus, demeter, dionysus with chaos aspect) I'm contemplating how to actually achieve this; but feels a bit undoable.
dense locust
I found eris rail build to be incredibly powerful for my 32 heat. I like special for damage and attack for utility. Rocket bomb might be a must because the accuracy and increased based damage is amazing and necessary for dealing enough damage, but the other hammers are flexible. Demeter attack (awesome with explosive fire) is great for being able to keep the enemy speed in check, or Zeus attack if you get it early to make progressing easier and small mobs a joke.
Heat, keepsake, and companion choice are all also important but can come down to play style/what you’re comfortable with
I’m personally a super fan of Sisyphus for healing and a little extra gold, so I usually keep the reduced healing heat as low as possible
I also leave tight deadline off because sometimes a build can win but it requires a slower approach. Also having a timer makes me play sloppier most of the time
chrome geyser
My boons were weak rarity wise; so for now; i'm going to turn off jury summons (I can usually do a full tight deadline run without jury summons) and put the rest into enemy bonus HP.
Tight deadline is 5 heat counter on 32; i don't think i can pump anymore into the others.
chrome geyser
I already have enemies deal +80% and my healing is cut by 25%
dense locust
You do have to pray for extra dashes at some point
chrome geyser
@distant basin , do you mean with pact of punishment on?
dense locust
And lucky purple fountain shops to buy hp
distant basin
I mean even in the normal run.
distant basin
For some reason, I can't figure out the dash strike with either of them.
And standing around just gets me hit.
chrome geyser
There is a window of time between finishing a dash and striking until it counts as a dash-strike
the grace period is pretty wide
What do you use, MK?
Or controller?
dense locust
I play with game pad and spam both buttons at nearly the same time and it works pretty well
distant basin
Mouse and keyboard.
chrome geyser
So one tip i can give with the rail is
Run/dash away from the enemies and shoot at them while doing so
I really like zeus on attack for rail; along with support fire boon from artemis.
dense locust
Give game pad a chance if you haven’t, I know of some people that couldn’t progress very far while using one but changed to the other and then the game clicked for them
chrome geyser
It's really good damage.
StrongDong is right; it makes a big difference
My favourite upgrade for the rail is the flurry fire one.
Rail gets pretty strong once you get the hang of it.
I hate the bow though; one of the aspects is pretty good but needs a lot of titan blood investment to be usable.
dense locust
And idk how much you know about how the boons work, but give the wiki a look through to see what could be strong and the different paths to the stronger boons.
For the longest time I played with just whatever was given to me without any thought given to how to get the higher level boons or even how the mechanics of the game worked.
But mostly, try out a controller. I tried a M&KB once and I totally sucked and had to go back. Some people like it but not me
The bows aspects definitely suck until about level 4
fiery silo
@chrome geyser Chiron aspect is beast with boons added on the special.
Usually I like a flurry shot because I hate the button smashing
sacred folio
I'm giving up on Chiron's aspect on high-ish heat levels (20+). It feels even slower with the Relentless Volley hammer upgrade, which is one of the few synergizing upgrades.
fiery silo
But Chiron aspect with Aphrodite / Ares... and you can clean even bosses in a blink
The problem is the encounters with a crazy numbers of enemies. But hey, in Hades all is about moving fast and clearing fast...whatever the weapon
chrome geyser
Chiron is the only usable bow aspect for me.
sacred idol
Chiron...
Chiron feels very very polarized
With a good build, it's pretty ridiculous
Without a good Special boon and a build to take full advantage of it, it's just... bad.
I personally feel like the best way to use Rail is KB+M, but the best for other weapons is Controller by far.
chrome geyser
My issue with the bow is is that;
- Main attack is extremely low damage. 50 is not bad yes; but you have to charge it. It pierces; but the time it takes to charge a shot; i can deal 100 damage with the meelee weapons.
- Volley is really bad AoE. Besides chiron; it seems the only useful way to actually use it is to trigger it on top of an enemy. Which is then . . . 90 damage while you are vulnerable.
You either dedicate your full hammer load into the split attack/chain shot to make it viable (if you get it) or you go cast build. The bow has such a bad DPS compared to the others.
Hera aspect is fun; but it needs some rework. The clicking the casts to load them all takes time. Poseidon does what it does better; and gives bonus damage to casts; so just makes hera inferior in that regard.
With chiron; you have very good single target damage. But oh god; you cannot do any crowd control. You can do 70 damage per volley; but guess what? I can do that damage on the sword using two dash-strikes in the same amount of time; and it's AoE by nature.
sacred idol
Mmmm, yeah, the Bow's main attack feels like it isn't rewarding enough for the time
chrome geyser
Not to mention; chiron is "bugged" with the multihit attacks; they don't synergize like you want them to. Zeus bolts internal cooldown means only one (maybe two) will activate. The attacks are very fast; so not all chill stacks will actually register (so if you pick the +4 volley to bring your count to 11 arrows; with demeter you won't trigger arctic blast)
sacred idol
It was actually a nerf, I think, in Zeus' case?
chrome geyser
How I would fix the bow would be;
- Don't make charged volley and +4 volley excusive.
- Enable piercing volley on chiron
- Make the main weapon damage charge from 40-70 instead of 0-50; and 100 on powershot.
- Fix interactions with the chiron volley (support fire; zeus flourish; stacking debuf applications)
- Increase hitbox of arrow to double what it is (serrated arrows or some stuff like that)
- Reduce the threshold where far away opponents count (for things like sniper shot)
Zeus bolts have a cooldown; individual per unit. They cannot activate more than once every .3 seconds or something.
That's why chiron does not work; since they all hit within that cooldown period.
This is only the bolts; not the chain lightning.
This way; bow gives higher but slower dps than the other weapons. Shooting from hip is still doable; and actually rewards manuevering well instead of punishing it.
I also noticed that charge hammer upgrades are really good; because they replace the swing animation with a charge that can be interrupted anytime; and they start the winding from 100% damage.
That's why on guan yu; the charged skewer upgrade is pretty good.
That; and the charge is really strong +200 is amazing. But you can tap shoot; you will still get the original damage (in a shorter range) but you skipped the attack chargeup animation.
If the bow worked that way; i think it would also be great.
sacred idol
@chrome geyser Chiron cannot use Piercing mainly because there's a buggy behavior they can't fix easily - when it was enabled, the arrows simply pierced the same enemy over and over until it died.
civic barn
i feel like the issue with the bow is more that compared to the other weapons, there's not a very good balance in role between attack and special; like for sword, it's intuitive that you hit fast on less targets with the attack and slower but on more enemies with the special.
that's very clear on all the other weapons, maybe not so much on the spear in certain aspects, which also makes it a bit unbalanced in my opinion.
it's just not as single target focused as the bow
since you can still aoe pretty well with the special, and specifically why people like guan yu right now, i presume
sacred idol
I still think the bow is better for higher heats than the frickin' sword
civic barn
the sword just feels a bit undernerfed
sacred idol
Also, as far as I know, there was a time when Chiron Bow and Zeus Special was absurdly broken
civic barn
they did take the time to nerf it twice in a roll, if i remember correctly
yeah when chiron bow had the same amount of special volleys without needing the upgrade
sacred idol
So, I think they actually nerfed the interaction with the ICD
kindred bolt
sword is the weakest weapon in game by far, i agree. every run is easier with every other weapon!!! except maybe spear
do i report bugs in tech fixes?
kindred bolt
oh ok thank you, i just came to report that charged volley literally disables the chiron aspect
sacred idol
wait what?
that's not correct
Charged Volley is extremely powerful on Chiron aspect.
kindred bolt
it doesn't track
civic barn
maybe not by itself; spartacus might have encountered an edge case
kindred bolt
it just spread like normal
kindred bolt
im holding it
civic barn
if you can show your boons when you go into f10 it might help the devs find out why
i imagine typing it all out is way too much work
sacred idol
Take a screenshot, upload it to imgur, and show us as well
kindred bolt
if i don't hold it, the range doesn't exist
sacred idol
Okay... and are you actually hitting with the attack?
You need to attack to tag enemies with the targeting icon.
kindred bolt
of course, i have 10 clears with bow, all chiron aspect
my game completely froze when i pressed f10 though
sacred idol
I have zero idea how that might have broken, my highest DPS run was with charged volley chiron
The F10 should appear in a separate window
kindred bolt
no separate window, still shows 200+ fps, just no response from controls
in task manager doesn't say its frozen or anything
sacred idol
Weird.
kindred bolt
oh i see it, i had to click the icon on bottom woops
it has 2 windows now
oh oops scratch that i am wrong, the little adds where just dying with the arrow reaching them, i can see it track vs the boss
my bad
fiery silo
@sacred idol Zeus boons in combination are divine... You attack large, many with a terrifying output of damage...
Problem is...sometimes I can't even see where is who or what in the middle of all that electricity
kind cloud
chiron aspect gets ruined by charged skewer; it's a bug that others and i mentioned in the feedback channel, it's going to get reworked imo
and...oh...i still suck at speedrunning. dammit.
i cannot get under 20 minutes even using hestia rail or chaos shield...dammit.
kindred bolt
my fastest is 22 minutes and i have 124 hours in the game, i thought i was doing good! lol
this is my first game like this though, i play rpgs
sacred idol
@kind cloud What exactly causes a bug there?
Because my charged volley Chiron runs have been my strongest
fiery silo
@sacred idol It is difficult for me to play Chiron on charged special as it has to be charged fully to launch....
mortal tendon
silverbluep , Guan Yu spear, Artemis Special, Athena with Backstab Damage and Crit on Deflect DUO. Spam those specials and if you can get extra casts for the extra damage percentage but its all special spam.
vagrant marten
I think I've seen a lot of people go for 32 Heat. Is there a particular reason for that? Do you always use the same restrictions on the Pact?
mortal tendon
the hammer upgrade that gives you the charged throw for 200% damage just makes it so much better
it was the only thing i found that had enough output to make it past the timers
man my pictures are so wrong im sorry im tired lmao fixed
Oh and if youre asking why heat 32 specifically? You get a cool ||Skelly Statue 
||
civic barn
it's just one of the in-game milestones; there's no significant reason that gives you any boost or anything
vagrant marten
Ooh okay. I think I'm not friend enough with Skelly just yet, but I'll need to try to raise the heat (never tried/completed higher than 15 so far). Thanks!
strong stump
@modest tree can't you just check how many room rewards you have by pressing 'B' anytime? (referencing your feedback)
modest tree
Did not know that. Thanks for telling me
strong stump
ohh I see lmao
I'd erase that feedback if I were you
No problem btw, I didn't want to sound rude
distant basin
Exagryph is my new best friend.
spice plover
anyone know how to unlock the 4th aspect for each weapon?
opal bay
not all of them are out yet. there is only one for spear.
deep vault
Spear happens once you unlocked a lot of other aspects and you talk to Achilles
Others will be added with future updates I assume
It's just also kinda random since Achilles isn't there at any time
silver seal
final warren
Ha @silver seal i did the same but decided to post in discussion and then question if it should be here lmao
silver seal
lmao yea i deleted a second before u posted it probably
final warren
Who determines what qualifies as world records?
Not that I will be attempting any speedruns lmao
considering with godlike build the best I have ever done is.. I think, 20 minutes lmao. And that was trying really hard with only like... 9 heat lol
earnest ravine
It's just the fastest recorded and verifiable time. There's a website for compiling them, but it's all runner submitted.
opal bay
probably qualifies is in-game timer or overall time and depending what category it is for.
silver seal
opal bay
okay there is any heat, 32 heat and fresh file (which means you don't have anything at all except the sword)
earnest ravine
And a BUNCH of misc categories which are mainly for fun.
And Fresh File is just start a new file and see how fast you can get your first clear. The routing on that one is pretty cool to see.
opal bay
yeah I took a glance
turbid needle
Just had an absurd Low Tolerance & Sweet Nectar run with Lv.18 Drunken Flourish + Pressure Points + Clean Kill + ** +52% Pierced Butterfly** ended up with hangover crits over 1000 damage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424487457015201793/686602682651508830/Hades_00017.png
iron lantern
Oooof. Getting all the poms there for Drunken Flourish?
final warren
So thats.... 48 damage/s second x 7 carry the remainder... types on calculator, thats a lot of damage
prime knoll
opal bay
Okay do its about 2112 per tick
So like 4224 per second
That's not to count the 50% damage up and butterfly and possible use of cast and possible crit
kind cloud
@sacred idol pre-charged volley, the special will target the enemy hit by attack and the special will bend a round pillars and hit the target even if it is on the other side of the stage or off-screen. after charged volley that no longer happens for me. the special target range is drastically reduced (by almost 60% as a rough guesstimate) and it doesn't bend around obstacles and such.
opal bay
So speaking the total damage per second can be uh quite 5k?
kind cloud
@turbid needle teach my your ways...i see that you beat 32 heat with bow...which is probably my 2nd weakest weapon ahead of spear. i can't beat anything about 12 heat using bow.
- How did you get Lvl 18 drunken flourish? i've never got anything about a lvl 10. I don't get enough poms. Is that Sweet Nectar working its magic?
- And 52% on pierced butterfly? Wut?
mortal tendon
Can confirm that going from epic to heroic deadly flourish with the charge up special upgrade for spear significantly either lowers the charge up time or perhaps the range? It just seems WAY faster to charge up.
turbid needle
Erhm I recorded part of the run @kind cloud I just didn't get hit for any of the encounters to get the stacks on pierced butterfly got sweet nectar super early and then took every pom I could and rerolled every centaur heart I found
opal bay
Yeah meant great recall
stable garden
unlucky hermes gave me special speed instead
which isnt that bad since i have to be close to hit my special anyw
kind cloud
@turbid needle sweet nectar is dionysus and poseidon, right?
i never get duo boons in tartarus...so i stopped hoping for them even when i meet prereqs
and interesting that you rerolled centaur hearts
deep vault
Dio and Poseidon is exlusive access
kind cloud
i almost always take them.
deep vault
unless they changed that when I looked away
kind cloud
so what gives sweet nectar? @deep vault
deep vault
idk
Maybe, from the sound maybe Aph+Dio?
turbid needle
aphrodite + poseidon is sweet nectar
turbid needle
Exclusive access is one of the worst duos in the game imo
kind cloud
i hate poseidon so much
deep vault
not really if you get it early
turbid needle
still bad if you get it second room unless you're doing a ironman run
kind cloud
the only time i take poseidon is when i have a zeus build with jolted and i want sea storm
deep vault
I once got it in Tartarus so that run went well
kind cloud
really?
kind cloud
i would think shield is the best for 32 heat since it negates so much incoming damage.
turbid needle
the slow helps a lot with bosses and the large pack size
kind cloud
how does it help with pack size? curious...i'm not very good with it.
opal bay
Poseidon can be good. Possibly main source of income for the renovations. Plush Poseidon dash=great thing.
turbid needle
ofc poseidon can be good
kind cloud
poseidon dash needs razor shoals and typhon fury to be worth it imo.
turbid needle
just saying I feel the value from exclusive access is low
it's one of those duos that people overvalue since purple must be good
other than demeter
fullcrit build is very good for bow at high heat
you want the encounters to end asap
kind cloud
question: why are you getting artic blast everytime you use special?
deep vault
5 hits
kind cloud
is it the one that inflicts chill?
turbid needle
If you have chiron aspect + relentless volley
you shoot 11 arrows with each special
arctic blast Applying 10 stacks of Chill causes a blast, clearing the effect.
deep vault
oh 10
kind cloud
ah, i see.
turbid needle
so with 11 arrows hitting one target
turbid needle
even with a common rarity arctic blast you do very good dmg
arctic blast does aoe dmg
turbid needle
yes
kind cloud
man...i'm just now realizing i haven't explored enough boons...
like...i think there is an optimal strategy/build for each aspect of every weapon...i just haven't done enough..
beaten the game up to 24 heat with 2 weapons (chaos shield, hestia rail). but it's clear to me i haven't explored enough
turbid needle
It's easy to get into that mindset imo
keep in mind I'm one of those grinders have 2 saves with 32 heat on all weapons
kind cloud
lol, love this game...i want to be very good at it.
silver seal
there's lots of options so it takes a while to test everything
kind cloud
the last game i felt so motivated to play and get damn good at was either hollow knight or ruiner
turbid needle
Hades is my relaxation game
kind cloud
@silver seal it does
turbid needle
to distract myself from overwatch
kind cloud
@turbid needle so you're just flexing now... 😃
/feels bad for me man...
turbid needle
lol
kind cloud
lulz
glad flume
Can't wait until tomorrow
I played this game at least one run a day for the last 45 days
wind temple
tidal thorn
https://i.imgur.com/GTIUvuz.jpg
I finally got "the combo" for Chiron bow.
That's a lot of damage.
blazing mulch
The combo for chiron is full special speed doom, with 1.5k doom explode with duo Athena 
tidal thorn
I tried several runs to get that stuff specifically tho, lots of bad luck :(
Felt good to get it.
kind cloud
@blazing mulch
wut? how do you get 1.5k doom? did you mean aphrodite instead of athena? are you talking about curse of longing which gives cumulative damage over time to opponents afflicted by weak? but i don't remember curse of longing ever giving that much damage...
even if you get ares doom epic to start (at 100) plus upgraded to around 175 plus exploding doom (say +75% increase) that's around 310 damage. Unless you have artemis crit upgraded to around 8-10%, I don't see how that becomes 1.5k.
(i know you can extend aphrodite's weak to about 10 seconds to lengthen curse of longing and deal around 1K damage over 10 seconds).
please explain
are you using doom misfortune to stack somehow?
i haven't been able to figure out how effective the doom stack is...
blazing mulch
You can increase damage of doom by 10 every hit that should apply doom. As it add to the base it hits and scale much better. Chiron shoots 7(11 with 
) what suums up to good 400 * 1,75(doom legendary) *1,5(status) and few more little bonuses, then you attack with Athena (legendary duo make attack with deflect activate doom on hit).
Special and attack, special and attack, easy
But requires little luck 🤞
turbid needle
Normally Dire Misfortune is not worth it. This looks like an exception.
blazing mulch
Yup
kind cloud
ok, so i've got some questions:
- increasing doom damage by 10 every hit is from doom/dire misfortune right?
- what is *1,5 status referring to?
turbid needle
Privileged Status, when any enemy has at least two Status Curses on them they take an additional 50% damage from all sources.
kind cloud
ah. but isn't doom just 1 status? i thought that meant needing 2 unique statuses...
like poison and doom
or jolted and weak
or combo of x and y
blazing mulch
Cast and doom
turbid needle
No, they meant they had a Status Curse on their Cast.
kind cloud
oh, ok.
thanks.
32 heat here i come!
lulz
/won't happen...i can't consistently beat elysium in 7 minutes.
so til today: (1) dire misfortune is good for chiron aspect of bow especially after hammer and (2) arctic blast is great for chiron aspect of bow too provided you get hammer to increase shots from 7 to 11
hollow root
silver seal
congrats 
turbid needle
What the hell, why have I not tried Charged Volley with Deadly Flourish before?
iron shale
if i take 2 of the same boon from chaos
they dont stack right ?
like 2 times dashing stricke at different %
chrome geyser
@turbid needle it's insane.
IMO; the +4 is usually better for others; as it allows to place more debuffs; and does synergize with increase from boons multiplicatively.
While charged does like +210 flat damage at most. But it does synergize with crits which is 
balmy zephyr
after many tries finally got the Dionysus/ Aphrodite duo boon and boy was it glorious. I'm sorry I once doubted you lord Dionysus
still idol
after finishing run i realized i pick Hermes Legendary with Artemis/Zeus Duo ;S
brittle carbon
if i take 2 of the same boon from chaos
@iron shale They do stack. You should see when you get 4 times 200%+ darkness and you get huge amounts of darkness 😄
Add Ocean's Bounty on top of that and you can get up to 4k-5k darkess in one run
iron shale
well it didnt show
it only showed the base like 49 % dash strike
although i got another with 100
brittle carbon
dont look at the skills as they can sometimes bug, look at the actual damage and see if it goes up
warped oxide
Okay I didn't record it but I'm sure killing fb with Aphrodite's call messes up the fight
Happened twice to me
Did anyone else have that happen to them?
brittle carbon
nope, I don't use her call anymore as i have been hit by the charmed mobs for huge damage several times, not sure if the bug is fixed but i'm scared of losing a run because of it
warped oxide
I'm not sure but what what happened to me is that ending the first phase with fully charged call deals weird damage to fb
Chunks of health gone the first seconds the second phase start
I'll try to record it if it happened again
brittle carbon
sorry to sound ignorant but who is fb ?
warped oxide
Final boss
brittle carbon
ah
maybe it's something related to why i was receaving huge amounts of damage from the charmed mobs/boss
have you tried the final boss with Unhealthy Fixation ? :)) he ca;t even hit you with any skill as you intrerupt him
kind cloud
I take back what I said about poseidon. His dash is so damn good if you have razor shoals and typhoon's fury. I also had breaking wave and second wave. Game refused to give him sea storm but even without it, I would walk into one of the styx rooms and wipe everyone out in under a second. Not an exaggeration. That was so damn refreshing...to be so overpowered. Normally, i feel like i'm underpowered. That was so fun.
Also didn't have aretmis crit or i might have doing some absurd 1k+ damage. without it, i was consistently getting 500+ damage.
iron shale
true but imo the styx rooms outside the last rooms are the easiest rooms in the game
kind cloud
yep
but i went up against one of the armoroed stone-thing-of-a-jiggas and wiped it our in about a second.
dashed into it, slammed it against the wall, wiped out the armor, pressed my special (which had explosive from the hammer) which was a lvl 3 poseidon special and boom - gone.
That's probably the most overpowered i've ever been.
Still took a bit of work against hades because i didn't have sea storm but i'm happy with the result at 9 heat.
That said...lulz...still couldn't finish in under 20 mins. I'm horrible at speedrunning. dammit fam.
brittle carbon
how was your damage with bosses ? i find poseidon very weak on boss fights
iron shale
depends on the boons
poseidon with zeus dual boon on the zeus shield special
is crazy strong
kind cloud
yeah, i agree. i felt a bit underpowered against hades. too bad the game didn't give me sea storm because i had epic attack from zeus on zag spear and jolted.
iron shale
also poseidons god gauge attack is good
brittle carbon
i agree but pure poseidon build is weak
kind cloud
@brittle carbon boss fights are incredibly annoying with poseidon and no razor shoals
razor shoals is a must for any poseidon build imo
brittle carbon
it does massive damage to normal fights as @kind cloud did but in a boss fight i struggle
kind cloud
combine it with typhoon fury (preferably 300% epic) and then upgraded to like 436 or 500%+
@brittle carbon completely agree...when i didnt' get sea storm, i knew that the fight with hades would be a bit of a slog
sea storm auto generates the lighting strike, it's great when you also have zeus jolted plus double strike upgraded plus larger area of bolt
brittle carbon
@kind cloud yeah i agree either one of those is a must
kind cloud
but getting that combo of boons is highly unlikely...in over 300+ runs, i might have gotten that combo maybe twice so far...and one was on shield of chaos for 32 heat!
i lucked out
brittle carbon
haha, so much heat ?!
kind cloud
yeah, for the final skelly statue!
brittle carbon
i got it with the old path of 60
kind cloud
oh yeah...i remember when the old pact could go up to like 150 (iirc) heat
brittle carbon
not sure i could do 32 heat now :)))
kind cloud
people were doing runs with like 120+ heat or something like that.
i think SgG just simplified it and scaled down the numbers.
brittle carbon
i usualy do no heat runs as i just enjoy the gameplay
i got everything in the game so no need to get prizes
kind cloud
have you unlocked all the weapon aspects and maxed out the companions? that's what i'm grinding for now...
because i know SgG will reveal the other aspects and the new weapon. I've saving up for those.
warped oxide
I feel lile aspect of guan yu is unplayable in 5+ heat levels
warped oxide
I canr work it for the life of me
brittle carbon
do you have it upgraded to max ?
kind cloud
yeah, i was struggling with guan yu on anything above 10 heat.
warped oxide
One level remains
kind cloud
i made the mistake of thinking guan yu's spin would fire lightning bolts on every revolution...nope
brittle carbon
i think the special is the great aspect
brittle carbon
yeah
kind cloud
what were your boons?
brittle carbon
my knowledge of the names is bad but ill give it a try
kind cloud
i'm just curious to see what kind of monstrous builds gamers have managed so far and how they built it (re: what combos, etc.)
iron shale
poseidon demeter cast boon on heras bow
brittle carbon
so the artemis special to lever 15, three chaos special bonuses, the charged skewer
iron shale
felt really strong
brittle carbon
oh and the 400% to armor
kind cloud
@brittle carbon i mean...lulz. artemis special to level 15 alone (guessing your had sweet nectar, right?) is pretty absurd. but then to have 3 chaos boons on special too? yeah, that'll do it.
brittle carbon
and charged skewer goe up to 200% base damage
multipy by the proximate 300^ from chaos and the 180% from artemis, on a crit 😄
kind cloud
doesn't artemis crit do > 200% damage?
brittle carbon
yeah but it gives damage to the base skill as well
i'll try a 16 heat with guan yu after this run, see how it goes
btw @kind cloud congrats on your 32 hear run
i wish there was a tab where you could see the build you finised the runs with and share it with friends, that would be amazing
all past runs
sage vale
people here be running 32 heat, I just barely finished the base game
brittle carbon
hehe, how are you enjoying it ?
brittle carbon
me too, i have a run or two every day, it's like my daily dose of fun
sage vale
can't wait for the patch, i chose a great moment to buy Hades it seems
brittle carbon
i've done dead cells too but i did not like the restriction to see more content only through higher difficulty, so I enjoy HADES a lot more
sage vale
there's not much of that save for the very very last part
brittle carbon
there are 3 maps and two bosses i believe 😄
tyhats a lot
i can't wait for this new patch as i'v upgraded everything 😄
sage vale
I mean Dead Cells is packed with content hard
it had tons of devtime
but yeah Hades is more enjoyable
mild crag
Dead Cells difficulty arcs up way too hard too quickly
Hades incremental heat system is much better
brittle carbon
hard agree
sage vale
Hades is relaxing
brittle carbon
try 32 heat :))
sage vale
I love how even if you get demolished hard by a stupid mistake, you get it commented upon by Hypnos and the lot
which kinda softens the blow lol
like there's a lot more pressure relief than in say DC
brittle carbon
yeah, voice acting and how many lines they have is amazing
sage vale
yeah...
I spent past months' worth of free time in Starcraft so
my stressful threshold
is pretty high
sage vale
needlessly, I got up to plat 3 and decided I lose too much mental health over this game
brittle carbon
games are ment to be fun! not to make your life worse
sage vale
challenge is fun
sage vale
but that helps me really appreciate how Supergiant makes it surprisingly not stressful
to lose a very promising run
due to something silly
brittle carbon
agreed
civic barn
dying is a non issue in this game because you can still progress whether you finish a run or die
brittle carbon
indeed, each room is instant progress
civic barn
with most rogue-lites you want to reach checkpoints that unlock stuff for you that function as your progress in some way like in dead cells, right
in that sense i think it was smart for them to make most of the mechanical progress be currency based and story progress just stuff you interact with
sage vale
that's a good point
nimble dove
I was popping off with the shield but died in the chambers where you have to feed ||Cerb||
this was my first run of the day but wow i love this game so much
same thing happened to me where i bought the game 2 weeks before the update
rapid holly
The only time Hades takes away my happiness is when I'm getting darkness in Elysium!
civic barn
Free health!
calm umbra
this update gonna be lit
rapid holly
free? its 5 health against the cost of every other possible reward! I'll take the gold from the gems over 5 health
iron shale
no its not
the rewards are split in 2 categorys
currency and only run items
so its just on the same line as keys crystals nectar
@rapid holly
rapid holly
yeah i know youre taking it too literally, just messing around
though i do hate getting darkness and is the worst possible choice. id rather the key for another roll from the key, the level up from ambrosia, or gold from gems
civic barn
it's something you grown out of (currently)
but i'd wager it might change with the patch
i think it's worth it still
you honestly don't need that many fated authorities
and it's not worth rerolling a darkness because of what the blue rooms have
in genrral
unlike the gold rooms it's typically a pool of three
sacred idol
Mmm, it can be useful. The gold is often a pathetic amount
rapid holly
yeah youre right its not worth rerolling and i dont need it anymore. sort of my point on why its not fun. these sorts of currencies always have a shelf life (gems will too). though i will say rerolling a triple option without a nectar, especially in the first area, is worth it to me. you typically have 1 or 2 boons that you like and one reroll is a nectar.
infernal gates often have this chance
kind cloud
darkness sucks, i get annoyed when i get darkness back to back or <gasp> 3 times in a row. i hate it.
naive tusk
But but it’s like a mini centaur heart ❤️
brittle carbon
anybody know at what time the patch is being released ?
fallow niche
@turbid needle 32 heat WR is now held by Haelian. Using Nemesis Sword. yo what
Am I in the right timeline?
turbid needle
TOLD YOU PUNKS.
mild crag
nemesis sword supporters gonna arc up
turbid needle
To be fair, Haelian told me about Double Edge.
dense locust
On high heat runs where things cost more, I take darkness over coin sometimes
@naive tusk is right, mini centaur heart
turbid needle
Does he have a video of it yet?
fallow niche
Yes
Watching it now
I guess this patch is officially Nem Sword's
God I never would have expected it
mild crag
we didnt listen!
mild crag
note to self: dont try it
dense locust
Crap I for some reason though the 32 heat wr was faster. I need to start trying for it
fallow niche
Go for it!
Wouldn't be the first time some random guy takes the record
32 heat was especially dominated by randos I invited to speedrun since they seemed good originally 
turbid needle
@fallow niche Does Poseidon still have any%?
fallow niche
Yes
its now 5:51
Haelian made the first sub-6 then Carlos took it again at 5:51
That's where it'll be for the patch
turbid needle
I saw him get the sub-6, but I think in that stream Carlos said he had one that beat it.
turbid needle
No, that beat Haelian's time.
fallow niche
Oh yeah
Apparently so 
Complete bonkers how low its gotten
And thankfully these runs, outside of the weird RNG manip at the start, are all very watchable unlike, well, most any% runs that stray into absurdity territory
Probably the biggest factor that keeps me coming back
turbid needle
What, other games you've seen speedrun get boring?
fallow niche
Zelda
turbid needle
Ooh, yeah.
fallow niche
The weird ass glitches that break the game
Like literally break it in half
And they make no sense to viewers
turbid needle
I once saw a dude step outside of one of Doom 4's maps. It was like a hard shell he just walked on to the end of the map.
fallow niche
Lmao yeah
Doom (2016) any%'s suck
However the categories that aren't any% are great
sacred idol
Memesis
fallow niche
They're super fun to watch
wicked hull
Hollow Knight any% runs are a real trip; they're removed from normal gameplay to the point that they're basically playing a completely different game
before you even unlock the dash these speedrunners are rocketing across the map
fallow niche
Sometimes that can be fun depending on what they're doing, but I'm not familiar with Hollow Knight speedrunning
turbid needle
I bet they all wear Wayward Compass too, the monsters.
fallow niche
Gonna google this
Oh man you weren't kidding
Its still fun to watch because there is at least a 'game' going on
Zelda OoT is just... abstract art
Not even sure how to describe it
Hades beats all of these though, you actually have to play the game
chrome geyser
Ummm; so this happened my first run today (I was really thinking it would not happen at ALL) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2018477180
Shows to tell; that aegis is pretty good. And right after I was complaining about 32 heat yesterday.
fallow niche
Shield is great and yeah once you start getting used to 32 heat it gets better
But it really is quite challenging
My only gripe is the reliance on Patty
chrome geyser
Patty?
unkempt pagoda
patroclus
sacred idol
@chrome geyser Did you not encounter the bad animation desyncs?
chrome geyser
Oh i used patty; but not for the DD. I only lost one DD this run; and that was to Meg.
I don't know; animations seem much smoother now.
I was gonna comment on it on feedback.
I did encounter the nutcracker; which is a runender and did fine; was able to dodge over the wave and stuff.
sacred idol
Nutcracker?
chrome geyser
Mega-gorgon elite and skull crusher elite; the miniboss in asphodel
unkempt pagoda
should i build up to 32 heat or should i just drop myself into it
i'm tired of only having 2/3 statues
chrome geyser
What do you do now onyx?
sacred idol
oh right
unkempt pagoda
i'm around 7-9 heat rn, but i got the statues before the heat rework
chrome geyser
(Meaning i moved on to it once i did up to 20)
sacred idol
I dunno. I still get screwball "How did Asterius hit me with his white swing?" and "How does Hades spin hit outside of its VFX?" on zero Forced Overtime.
chrome geyser
TBH; i never had issues with asterius desynching; or dodging him.
unkempt pagoda
back when it was 60 heat for the second statue, i just let myself go into it
chrome geyser
Certain of my builds seem to take huge damage from him; but I haven't been able to isolate what works and what does not.
If you have been playing a while; just jump into it if you ask me.
sacred idol
actually, I think his hitbox isn't desync
It's simply bigger than its physical form
That's the issue, I think some hitboxes are just bigger than they should be.
chrome geyser
Part of it is getting lucky with non-combat rooms (to reduce deadline) and the boons you get, AND which ones are offered to purge at the fountain.
I had to purge away exposed; which made me lose privilege and made me much longer in asphodel. I had to pick a regular rarity jolted; which is why my run lacked damage a lot.
@sacred idol i do agree on some parts.
They do need tweaking a bit. Expeccially exalted stuff.
If you are going to ask me; asterius feels fine.
I think i might have a hard time dodging asterius if i don't have some way to apply chill maybe.
dense locust
I'd imagine a successful speed run is done after trying out many seeds until one looks like it has potential, and then exploring that seed
sacred idol
The two attacks I think are SPECIFICALLY broken out of bosses:
-Asterius' left-right white trail swings, NOT the pink spin or anything. Just his standard combo.
-Hades' spin attack.
chrome geyser
The FB needs some sort of mobility to escape his spins. Some hermes boon is pretty much mandatory.
But the visual seems fine.
You might be right about asterius; i do get hit by that one the most.
dense locust
I can dodge Hades' spin attack fairly well if i have 4-5 dashes, but his long spear jab out of nowhere gets me all the time
chrome geyser
You had a video i think; i remember.
chrome geyser
Right
sacred idol
Long spear jab hits very rarely for me, but it IS an instant Defiance in some cases.
Fun fact, with zero Hard Labor, it can do over 100 damage with Boiling Blood
dense locust
At least the spin has a warning
sacred idol
I believe its base damage is likely to be 70 or 75.
So BB = Death Defiance on most non heart stack builds
chrome geyser
Oh yeah; that is why whenever my blood is boiling; i tuck in my tail and run.
The thrust has a tell too.
It looks similar to his cast animation.
dense locust
Im finally back from a 5 day trip and I've never been more excited to play a video game
really?
maybe I need to pay a little more attention
chrome geyser
Both tells are a bit quick; but there is a tell for all his attacks.
I notice myself reacting to them as I was amazed at how I was good at dodging him today.
sacred idol
It's not that hard to avoid the tell
chrome geyser
I think it is a mental state issue too; some days im horrible some days BAM i am amazing.
sacred idol
the thrust has such immense windup on FO 0 that it's almost impossible to get hit unless you're being stupid and reckless like me
on FO2 it should be manageable
But the thing is, the spin legitimately has an oversized hitbox
It's very subtle, less than a tenth of the actual hit
dense locust
But you can dash through the attack
sacred idol
But it is maybe half a Zagreus-width away from the very edge
dense locust
or can you not and I'm always just lucky
chrome geyser
He took the hammer that makes the spin attack larger and deal +125% damage.
sacred idol
LOL
chrome geyser
It would actually be so cool if he would pick one of the weapons that you did not pick.
dense locust
Theseus with charged skewer
chrome geyser
Would be a nightmare to implement; and would be very difficult since now you have to learn 6 possible end game bosses.
dense locust
haha lol
wicked hull
Hades punishes a lot of my bad habits but I'm getting better at beating him after 10+ wins
chrome geyser
But would open good lines of conversation.
wicked hull
dash-spamming in particular is heavily punished by Hades
chrome geyser
Asterius with world splitter
fiery silo
@sacred idol Even far below 16 Heats, I had Hades spinning through the whole screen faster than any dodges...
Regarding Asterius, my main problem is mostly his giant leap when he is in Pact of Punishment: Extreme Measures...when the screen is covered with Theseus's bombs...
Then, I had run at 16 Heats (I am not really good at all) where all enemies where docile compared to run with lower Heats where Elysium, Sty and Hades would turn into or Omaha Beach on D Day or Stalingrad during Winter of 1943
chrome geyser
@wicked hull dash-spam CAN work well; but if you dash indiscrimenantly then that is bad
sacred idol
@wicked hull hah, like EM Hydra?
chrome geyser
Give yourself periods when you don't dash; especcially if you don't have extra dashes.
So you can escape if you see him winding an attack
At least that is my subconscious strategy.
wicked hull
yeah, that's what I've been trying to train myself to do
chrome geyser
Theseus bombs hiding their radius when deflected/bounced back from pillars is EXTREMELY ANNOYING
And they deal 75 damage!
They are a good boss pairing as far as punishing the player that is for sure.
dense locust
@chrome geyser Referring to when you did your 32 heat, I had a similar experience. I got all weapons to 20, finished all bounties, and the next logical step as far as accomplishment was 32
chrome geyser
I try to always stay in the center to avoid the bombs; but then theseus usually charges towards the center to me and i lose a bunch of health.
I think that is a good way to do it no? You become way too trained.
dense locust
I think its great
sacred idol
Pff
dense locust
you get a good understanding of the game
sacred idol
I'm still bad at like... 9/10 heat on most weapons
chrome geyser
And the heat you add from 20 to 32 is already you have the reflexes; now you have to trust RNG to give you good boons and room layout.
@sacred idol did you change controller/keyboard?
I have been using a keyboard so far.
sacred idol
well yeah, but I'm bad at both.
dense locust
how do people feel about aim assist?
chrome geyser
I'm gonna start at low heat and try to get better at the controller; cause i think it would be fun to play not on my workstation at my university; but at home on TV.
Aim assist is mandatory on controller i think
Usually gets in the way with KM so i turn it off.
dense locust
I was gonna say its mandatory on gamepad lol
unkempt pagoda
i play kbm and i don't use it
dense locust
ah
yeah some weapons are rather impossible without it on controller, but it makes hestia rail kinda terrible
dense locust
Aim assist is usually great on controller, but for hestia rail, its a nightmare
I had a god like hestia rail build that destroyed everything up until hades, but once he started summoning dudes, I could never get my first shot to aim on hades
chrome geyser
Oh; the couple times i tried it; i think i like hestia rail better on the controller with aim assist rather than mk
ah yeah; that is the auto assist issue.
dense locust
Maybe i don't fully understand the mechanics behind it
but it ruined the run
Turned me off to hestia. Plus eris is so strong
But it is fun critting for 1.5k with high crit chance
I wish i could use mouse and control stick
or something along those lines lol
maybe controller with motion sensing
chrome geyser
I just posted a suggestion on feedback; maybe something like controlling targeting would work better in that regard?
dense locust
a happy medium would be nice
chrome geyser
BTW; i have a gaming mouse; so i moved all the attacking stuff to mouse. (Left; attack. Right; special. Middle; cast. Button 4; reload. Button 5; call)
Which is really fluid.
The only issue is digital movement; and that is why i want to switch to controller.
dense locust
My natural response was trying to switch enemies with the thumbstick but it wouldnt ever budge
yeah i value the movement too much to switch to m&kb, but maybe if i mapped it out right I could get used to wasd for movement
whats your dash
sapce?
space
chrome geyser
Space is dash yeah.
I have a special keyboard; that I think makes it much more comfy to press space
dense locust
Yeah I have a crap keyboard that came standard
chrome geyser
But not everyone thinks it is for gaming so i dunno.
If you have money to sink into; check out https://olkb.com/planck
But tbh; any mechanical keyboard would probably improve your experience if you are on a membrane
dense locust
I have mixed thoughts on charged skewer
Im given a choice right now between charged and breaching (+400% to armor) but I like the hit and run of guan yu
chrome geyser
You can hip do it.
sullen valley
Hey wait a minute how does Inescapable Blast work with Rocket Bomb?
chrome geyser
Charged skewer is amazing
Like charge a bit and dash away
The charge is pretty fast.
dense locust
+400% armor will be helpful everywhere except the last two bosses
chrome geyser
You can insta-shoot but the range will be reduced
But then again you can insta-shoot
dense locust
But I do already have epic heartbreak flourish and atropic flourish
sullen valley
Well, the last bosses' summons have armor actually so technically-
chrome geyser
My priority is always charged skewer first
dense locust
I don't have tight deadline on
chrome geyser
Charged skewer > faster spin > larger spin > pierces armor
chrome geyser
Did you ever take charged before?
dense locust
many times
chrome geyser
If you feel better without it; then do without i would say
dense locust
i haven't taken breaching much though
chrome geyser
There is a glitch; that makes it charge insanely fast (only in range; the damage still charges at the same time)
If you ask me; breaching is not that important
dense locust
Im doing a lot of special dashes
chrome geyser
Since it only affects 50% of the health
dense locust
true
chrome geyser
"total"
dense locust
well except the armor is more than their hp effectively
chrome geyser
and charge already gives you similar; +300% as opposed to +400%
And works on others.
dense locust
but to have something that is useless sometimes does suck
chrome geyser
It depends. Like the hydra heads have more hp than armor i think.
dense locust
okay well i can always restart the seed im only on chamber 12 with a very good start
ill take charged
chrome geyser
exalted have more armor than hp for sure; so do the super duper elites
WAIT
when you restart
you have to take the hammer at the same boon order that you took it now to be offered the same choices
dense locust
yeah i wish i was writing it down because I already rerolled like 4 times lol
chrome geyser
Like if this is the 4th boon screen you see; then to have the same selection you have to pick it as 4th again.
dense locust
I think I remember the order though
chrome geyser
Oh good.
dense locust
Tbh, I almost always take charged but I was wondering if anyone had luck with the 400% damage to armor
dense locust
one hit all armor
chrome geyser
It is good. But charged is better if you ask me
Pretty much.
And with artemis; it's usually 1HKO to health too
so two hits kill everything.
dense locust
Ugh no choice affects poms?
sullen valley
Artemis' boons and personality are both amazing
dense locust
i knew this but i still hate it
chrome geyser
All boon selection screens
No choice and budget cuts are the two heats i refuse to touch
dense locust
I did get to put a point in pressure points, but a point in heartbreak flourish is +40%
kind cloud
thing i just learned the hard way: the shield of chaos does not block the triple pink attacks from the shielded dbags in elysium
i don't get the logic of this game
chrome geyser
It is better to have deadly reversal and pressure points then to have artemis flourish
dense locust
heartbreak is aphro
kind cloud
so the shield can block just about everything else (including hades spin) but not the pink streaks from the shields...like wut?
dense locust
but I do need more artemis to get deadly
chrome geyser
But artemis flourish gives you crit without building for it; and that usually is enough
Oh right.
kind cloud
artemis has a crush on zag imo
dense locust
The problem with this seed is the first boon special attack is deleted due to no choice
sullen valley
Shield From the Beginning of Existence Itself:
some dead guy with a plate: I'm will perform what shall be named "a proficient fighter maneuver"
dense locust
maybe i should get rid of no choice....
kind cloud
she doesn't just want a hunting partner iyam
dense locust
or just reseed
sullen valley
Doesn't Artemis stray away from romance, though? Like,
chrome geyser
Aphro gives you flat 40%; one point of pressure points gives you 3% + 3*whatever bonus you have.
sullen valley
She only took one romance but that's it.
wicked hull
idk about whether she has a crush on Zag but I definitely have a crush on her 😛
kind cloud
the introduction to the artemis/aphrodite boon is a big giveaway iyam
chrome geyser
eh just keep at it; things work out sometimes
sullen valley
Ye
kind cloud
not only was she a blubbering mess, her being paired with aphrodite is an indicator imo
dense locust
Okay good sign, furies died in about 8 specials
kind cloud
aphro is a flirt, sure
dense locust
charged shot ftw
kind cloud
but aphro is also kinda playing matchmaker there
but wrong channel for this discussion
my bad
dense locust
how much is a no charge charged shot due? Regular damage?
kind cloud
also, this game hates me...it clearly doesn't want to give me sea storm
dense locust
Unfortunately I panic sisyphus companion
chrome geyser
That is why the charged upgrades are powerful; since the bow charges from 0% to 100%
and charged upgrades always charge from 100% to X%
kind cloud
i don't like doing charged upgrades because they aren't quick enough for hades fight
chrome geyser
Why call it panik? You get the gold at least.
dense locust
true
kind cloud
or the asterius/minotaur fight
dense locust
Wait when you say 0 - 100%
chrome geyser
Cinematic; charged skewer is pretty much boss killer.
kind cloud
only charged one that is good is the quick spin because it allows me to do things quicker
dense locust
which hammer is that?
dense locust
oh i gotcha
kind cloud
@chrome geyser then i'm a dummy because i hate being a sitting duck
dense locust
The arrow hammers need to boost that damage a little more
kind cloud
i like to move, fly, dash, dodge all over the stage in boss fights
i feel like a sitting duck with anything that requires charging
chrome geyser
The charge is pretty fast on guan yu. You dash a bit far away; and then you charge until you need to dash again.
kind cloud
great in theory, horrible in execution for me
chrome geyser
You don't have to powershot that much.
chrome geyser
Try to give them a try sometimes; it's a tremendous damage boost; especcially on guan yu.
dense locust
I was afraid of the reduced range in hit and run tactics but its not a big deal
kind cloud
i don't get them on heat runs of 12+ more
sullen valley
I don't like getting Charge stuff (unless it's pretty far or Aegis's bolt) because it makes me move less before I get Link Spin Slash'd by hell dad
kind cloud
like, i'm saving screenshots of people's build to try them out but they never quite happen for me...
i've only had a few overpowered runs
sullen valley
I could get and win with charge things, but I use them a little less.
chrome geyser
It's about play styles too.
kind cloud
agree
kind cloud
like...the bow just doesn't jive in my mind
i don't have the mentality for it
which is odd given how much i like to snipe in fps games
chrome geyser
Oh bow is my least favourite weapon.
dense locust
As much as I hate no choice, underworld customs can be more punishing sometimes
chrome geyser
Hera is good in design but bad in execution.