because you can't keep stacking it unfortunately
#h1-builds-and-combat
night path
turbid needle
Well, no, it's better with Impending Doom.
Because you just keep firing off big chunks.
night path
sure but it negates dire misfortunate
turbid needle
Dire Misfortunes boosts the amount too little to use.
night path
fair enough
native ether
Dire Misfortune is a boon I never really care about getting because the effect is negligible
whereas Merciful End gives you bonus combo damage for triggering the proc
turbid needle
Merciful End does what Dire Misfortune whishes it could ever do, and more
iron shale
Is that the more damage when you hit while doom is up ?
Used that in a rail doom on attack build
With the aoe on atk and faster shots hammer
Worked pretty well
prime knoll
Dire Misfortune's added damage does seem to be amplified by Impending Doom, though. I was testing that on the subsequent run I did
At least when I'm using a rapidfire rail the effect is noticeable
@iron shale exactly those hammers 👌🏽
I definitely don't feel that the sheer number of boons required to get those effects is worth it, though
It makes for an interesting time. Kind of like seeing crits go off- it's fun but it isn't necessarily as effective as other options.
clear haven
oookay, I gotta ask at this point, can ANYONE hit the legendary window with the fishing game on purpose?
I don't think anyone can react that fast. I know speedrunners who can nail a frame perfect input at 60fps, but not reliably, and they have to know it's coming in advance.
naive tusk
Do you mean the Perfect Catch?
earnest ravine
Pretty consistently, yes.
naive tusk
I can do it if I focus enough, but that's mainly because I'm used to being focused on minigames like that from other games
prime knoll
I get it in tartarus pretty consistently.
clear haven
Seriously? You have like five frames to make the input.
naive tusk
You need a good trigger finger and reflexes haha
earnest ravine
i'm used to playing MMOs where I can feel the difference between .02 cast times, a .34 window is like, way more managable.
clear haven
I don't have either of those.
earnest ravine
So it's more practise than anything else, I guess/
clear haven
Yeah, esports, you can get differentials like that.
No... I think I'm too old 😦
Maybe if I had it on my mouse hand; I'm losing frames to the keypress.
naive tusk
If I may make a suggestion, I'd suggest that you focus on the blob especially after it makes a splatter
It tends to sink after it makes one
clear haven
Oh, so there's some way to know?
Because if I knew it was coming, that changes things.
iron shale
Lol what there is a perfect catch? What does it do?
clear haven
It's a 20-frame window after the bobber drops where you get a better fish.
naive tusk
Perfect Catch makes it so you are guaranteed a Rare fish with a 5% chance to get a Legendary fish
clear haven
Yeah.
naive tusk
It's on the wiki's fishing page
clear haven
But I gotta figure, the clock starts when the animation starts, right?
So you can't even know it's a true bob for the first ten frames or so.
naive tusk
So, after the blob makes a splatter, ready up your finger because it might sink right after it
Practice makes perfect too so keep at it 
prime knoll
I think the timer is when the splash turns white (and makes it a catch rather than a bob)
naive tusk
Yes, once you see a flash on the blob, that's when the timer starts
prime knoll
It's notable that a prefect catch doesn't guarantee a legendary fish, but if you see Zag pump his arm afterward, it was perfect.
civic barn
yeah i kinda wish catching the fish was on the attack key and not the interact key
prime knoll
RB is where it's at
civic barn
it's not a big deal, but when you're done with a fight it feels mcuh slower trying to fish with interact
prime knoll
the xbone bumpers are great inputs
civic barn
unfortunately i am a mouse keyboard person 
oh these are interesting; guess i've never hooked a legendary before.
I suspect they'll introduce a compendium eventually, but it'd be cool to be able to see a list of them
civic barn
that's why i don't suggest it. I have no doubt it's already in their minds
ripe parrot
The Poseidon Splash Boon is ridiculous in the tiny rooms of Styx x]
Everything just bounces back and forth against all the walls and dies
prime knoll
Poseidon everything is great for Styx
get the dash with all the upgrades and you can basically just dash to each exit and unlock it
I was thinking earlier that it'd be cool if Poseidon had a revenge boon that created the dash wave
gentle palm
frosty pier
Heroic Slice is pog indeed.
gentle palm
Combined with the Recall, I was having a ton of fun
Had a bit of a hiccup while getting started with the end-game build bit where I was fighting Snakey Bones™️ and had a Chaos curse to not attack...on an attack-focused (at the time) build
naive tusk
I like how you showed some love to the blades without relying on Hunting Blades 
scarlet urchin
oh damn that's one heck of a streak.
chrome geyser
Wow that is fast.
BTW; to the discussion of fishing
I pretty much get the legendary all the time.
are we sure about the 5% thing?
I'm very sure my rate of getting the rare vs the legendary are like equal.
sacred folio
I feel the same: fish of higher rarity appears more than 5%. But the code in Scripts/FishingScripts.lua says otherwise.
The code looks like a run of the mill weighted random selection
With the default weight being 1 and the higher rarity 0.05 in Scripts/FishingData.lua
So it's technically 0.05 / (0.05+1) = 1/21 = 0.476, even less than 5%
mellow rune
holy hell that streak/number of clears/total darkness
final warren
So, I know ive seen it talked about, but has anyone else abandoned Hera bow because of the fact that the bloodstones decide to go to Olympus on their own, abandoning Zag? I've never noticed it with a Zeus or Dio build, but last night I tried an aphro cast build on it, and I lost in Asphodel when my timer ran out. I would say 50% of my hera casts go off to never never land. Even worse if I miss
Only reason I got through Tartarus was because I got Tisiphone and the stones return on each change
sacred folio
That's exactly why I don't play Hera's aspect for now
Hope it'll get fixed in the next update
prime knoll
Fwiw I only have that issue with Aphro because her cast specifically creates its effect then spawns the stone a set distance beyond that, whereas other casts spawn the stones exactly where the effect ended.
I've never lost any stones with any cast besides hers.
final warren
I have had it happen with other when you miss, but it was rare and only really in the odd area, or the arena, which was a bummer. But aphro, omg
if I bloodstones were a wounded animal.... theyd all be cured and let go I guess
frosty pier
I'm being incredibly rude, but since that aspect came to be the only talk about Hera Aspect is that: "I yeeted my bloodstones off and lost a run". I get it. That's a cast aspect so a Cast build is a given, but it seriously looks that people forget to have contingency plan
And that's with a bow of all things! It has enough damage to carry you as far as Elysium even with a low-end boons (Well atleast through regular rooms. And yes, that is not a comfortable squeze).
sacred folio
Um, you might wanna be clear what's the heat level are you talking about.
final warren
Yeah I doubt I would have worried if I didn't have Tight Deadline
Its a huge issue when dealing with higher heat.
Sitting in Asphodel pinging baddies while waiting for the timer to return my bloodstones is... not good design
Like I said, the ONLY reason I didnt get wasted in Tartarus was because I got Tis, and my stones popped up in front of me each transition
I guess it comes down to this: saying a glitch is OK because I could have NOT chosen the path I did, is not something that makes it OK. Its flawed and should be fixed. And if its intentional and WONT be fixed, I am never going to pick it again. When it worked, it was actually a lot of fun as opposed to running the same trippy shot hera build
Although... in terms of inefficiency, I still wanna try a Demeter Hera build lol
I have no idea how that would work, and I assume the answer is "not at all" haha
frosty pier
Well, Given that this problem is wide-spread, I'm sure SGG will make something to fix it. We have an update soon...right?
Right?....
'll see
final warren
oh I assume so (the fix), but I was just starting a conversation haha
I have NO issues with cast build inefficiencies otherwise. Taking time to find and pickup bloodstones is a good drawback. Not being ABLE to do that is quite different haha.
frosty pier
cant argue with that
final warren
I mean, the bloodstones being yeeted by hera is amusing sometimes, like when in asphodel they literally just vanish. Not hidden in lava, they have just moved on to another dimension apparently.
I have no qualms about MISSING with hera, and the bloodstones dropping into a massive lake of lava
Thats the equivalent of chucking the ball over the neighbors fence lol
frosty pier
It was actually worse during the first mounths from the start...Only it was your Shield flying away to another dimention.
final warren
I dont believe the aspects should be without drawbacks, just as each weapon has inherent cons and pros
frosty pier
That was fun.
final warren
just because Hera is awesome damage, doesnt mean that it should be EASIER
lol, wow, like, gone gone, no ability to do anything?
just stand there and hope it procs back to you when it feels it?
frosty pier
Yup you could only cast, dash, and pray for safe return.
final warren
oh god. Thats amusingly horrific.
thats the Hades version of the slapstick fight routine. Baddie makes you lose your weapon, pick up a rock and throw it. Ding.
Luckily I dont think the fix isnt difficult to ascertain. Its clearly a bloodstone + hard boundary problem. How hard that is to fix.. .that I don't know.
Man I just wanna get home and do a Demeter-Hera build now, I keep thinking of it out of game, then in game I chicken out. But I lost my streak last night so who cares?
earnest ravine
It happens sometimes with non-Hera cast builds, too, especiallly on the final boss, and then you're stuck for like 20 seconds reevaluating your entire existence.
So hopefullyy something will be done about it?
silver seal
we'll find out soon tm
prime knoll
@earnest ravine yeah it's just a trait of Aphro's cast since you could bury it behind any wall if you're too close to anywhere near it
earnest ravine
It's happened to me with ZEUS cast and Artemis, of all things.
I just sorta cry and move on because it's obviously not intended
final warren
Yeah I have had Zeus yeet out of the court with me sometimes
Rare enough where its not destructive, but Hera builds seem to have an affinity for it that makes it painful
Zeus makes sense, since sometimes it just wanders off. Artemis, wow, that makes much less sense
earnest ravine
Because he went invisible AS I cast
and it just. went back beyond the pool at the edge of the arena and sat there taunting me.
final warren
None of this would be an issue if RNG didnt love to taunt me when I decide to do cast runs
yesterday: Imma gonna try a poseidon cast build, sounds fun!
Go artemis
Get dual shot
yay!
never see fully loaded
never get extra casts
in all three chaos portals
never got the Hermes legendary
or any cast buffs other than a common chaos cast buff
I made up for it, which is what is fun about this game, but I just wanted to see what all the fuss was about 😦
(which I did on the next run when I had 7 casts, insta hermes cast, and auto recall)
(on a shield run)
dense locust
It’s fun to plan on going a build but sometimes you gotta just go with the flow. If you’re ever doing a seed and notice it’s favoring a certain build, don’t be afraid to hit give up and start the seed again accordingly
dusky drum
i feel like doing that tho is kinda cheating
like yea i do it too but only if im mad o the game crashes so im forced to
naive tusk
Hi Kopek
prime knoll
@dusky drum I feel the same way.
Also, about your LR feedback, I really want to like that duo but it feels like it's missing something.
Hi Peach!
naive tusk
LR?
prime knoll
I really want an arc lightning boon of some kind. Pick up casts from farther away and zap people in the path when you do.
Lightning Rod
grim loom
i love lightning rod so much
naive tusk
Oh! How do you make use of it? @grim loom
prime knoll
I feel it has its moments. I generally feel good when I can leverage it, but it usually doesn't flow with what I'm doing.
grim loom
throw them at people with shields
finite violet
lightning rod is good for rooms with shield enemies ye, or ones that are mostly stationary like soul catchers
grim loom
open a room with a bunch of casts and intentionally leave them sitting around and bait ppl through them
finite violet
(i got it for asterius+theseus fight and theseus kindly chilled out in the middle of the lightning field and died quickly)
naive tusk
I think I said this before but I use LR when I'm doing a run that's mostly focused on attack/special and I have ignored my cast altogether
naive tusk
That way, it can still do something while the casts are around the battlefield while I just attack stuff
prime knoll
It would almost be nice to be able to not pick them up to keep that damage zone out there for you to kite through.
grim loom
oh dude imagine that plus ravenous will
finite violet
maybe do a minor change so when you have lightning rod, you need to use interact to pick them up?
finite violet
if you're more likely going to leave them on the ground then pick them up mid fight
earnest ravine
It has a lot of fantastic uses when it shines but it doesn't really synergize with either Artemis or Zeus' kits OR themes, is my main issue with it, I guess?
naive tusk
That's a good suggestion. Picking them up without wanting makes using its effect hard
earnest ravine
and also the times when it doesn't, like whenever you're working with a cast build
finite violet
if you get the uh
boon that makes the lightning strikes aoe larger
and double strike
lightning rod is op
grim loom
it's a nice augmentation if you have to get only a couple zeus boons as well
prime knoll
Or... as a lightning rod... what if all your lightning effects also went off at your bloodstones? That is an incomplete thought, but it would make the boon feel a but less passive.
grim loom
ooh interesting
prime knoll
Idk I really like strongly-nailed narrative themes, so lightning arcing to them seems like it could be cool and something you could leverage. Maybe it deserves to be a different boon, though. I'd also be happy with that.
The larger lightning strikes and the double strikes really make the Zeus boons pop
It kind of goes against some of the mental mapping I have for lightning, though, now that I think of it. Lightning is usually compared to fire as a force in my head. Fire is wild, AoE, and keeps damaging while lightning is about single-target massive damage and disable at an equally high resource cost.
native ether
Lightning Rod is a neat boon but I wish it worked on stuck enemies as well.
It works nice for some extra damage with things like Hunting Blades/Ice Wine/Scintilating Feast setups though
The range on how close the enemy has to be is actually more generous than you would think, but its not too much
tidal thorn
If Butterfly levels up in a run, does your bonus that youve already accumulated get higher too?
earnest ravine
It doesn't sadly.
It only checks the amount when you equip it, so you won't get the full benefit until the next run.
quiet arrow
What's it mean when there's a little clock on the hearts in the codex? Like I've reached a cap Achilles' hearts and I'm guessing the clock means further stuff is still in development?
earnest ravine
Yup!
mortal tendon
https://prnt.sc/rcpa2l sometimes simpler is better 
civic barn
i feel like lightning rod just needs one or two more boons that reduce cast lodge times to make it be worth it; maybe even just a boon that dislodges immediately so you don't have to rely on poseidon aspect
runic crown
Would it be too OP if Lightning Rod works even if the cast is still in an enemy?
Maybe lower the damage
civic barn
that sounds like it might completely change how you use it, though personally i wouldn't mind that...
native ether
Think it would need a damage nerf while stuck in enemies but I wouldn't be against it.
mortal tendon
The diminishing returns were awful and it was not at all worth it. Was fun though 
civic barn
is there actually a list of effects to levels
mortal tendon
Also TIL you can use the consumables from legendary keepsake to block Minotaur and other enemies . They are kinda useful if you plant them in the middle of the arena. They also block your own shots too so use them at your own risk. Doesn’t block the Guan Yu spear throw though
civic barn
i'd imagine percentages have very big diminishing returns but flat numbers not so much?
consumables like with bouldy?
prime knoll
When using the shield, is there a reason that some Snakestone and rat attacks (and presumably others) just go straight through the shield and hit you? Like 2-3 beams are being blocked but one just keeps hitting you.
runic crown
I think its just percentage based, although, there is a minimum of 1. So Dio poison is very strong over many levels
mortal tendon
Yeah the ones from Bouldy
wise ibex
i just had the easiest final boss win
civic barn
hmmm flat damage increase on whirling blades sounds like an interesting pursuit
native ether
i'd imagine percentages have very big diminishing returns but flat numbers not so much?
If you're referring to poms, diminishing returns on things like Poison and Pressure Points are negligible since it will always increase it by a value of 1, never a fraction.
mortal tendon
I think those upgrades are pretty good yeah. That and poison isn’t tanked as much by the diminishing returns
Nothing beats the ares legendary tho
native ether
Things like Chain Lightning, Blade Rifts, Support Fire, small percentages, and Poison aren't really affected by diminishing returns.
wise ibex
http://prntscr.com//rcqe8p fully loaded + blizzard shot +dual shot(1st in last row, forgot to put into lineup) p sure this was my shortest battle against em yet
native ether
Where as most other effects tend to cap out at level 3 ish.
civic barn
Yeah the ones from Bouldy
the great bull of minos....blocked by food
mortal tendon
Like it even blocks his axe leap smash move if there is a coin between you and him when he jumps
tidal thorn
https://i.imgur.com/9lndCzF.jpg
Got Scintillating Feast on my third boon on Tartarus. Probably my easiest run after that. lol
Shame I couldnt get Blacked Out.
mortal tendon
Good thing devs decided you could only use one instance of your keepsake per encounter else id wall that bull in a corner for the rest of his life :]
civic barn
hm does it block his huge aoe continuous spin move
like does he just spin standing still
mortal tendon
I have no clue. I’d imagine if it catches him just right he might actually just sit there
Would be the same premise of him moving around a wall
civic barn
would be interesting to see if perseus is affected by it, too; two things to fiddle with next time i play
mortal tendon
I’d assume too that those things having a hit box is an oversight also and probably going to be changed in the future
And honestly it hurts you most of the time more than it helps lol
finite violet
i just completed a run with lightning rod+zeus special on zeus aspect shield and let me tell you i melted everything
lined everything up so bloodstones were sitting in the zeus spinning shield, stood just beyond it, back to a wall and lifted my shield and
enemies just killed themselves
managed to do asterius+theseus like this, the both of them just stood in all that lightning and perished
prime knoll
For real though, does anyone know why some attacks sometimes go through the shield block?
finite violet
i think it might be how the attack's frames move
like some of asterius's attacks get through the shield because his swings are so wide the game might register it as him hitting you on the side or back
thats how i experience it anyways
prime knoll
I figured it might be something like that- some kind of middle to middle/edge to edge check that registers as being behind your shield even though it's not.
It has been a real pain this past run- almost cost me my attempt because rats kept pinging 25 when I'd start charging a bull rush. I ended up fighting FB with full HP but no DD. took damage through my shield several times but didn't go below half.
wintry tusk
https://i.imgur.com/qWDkLzR.png 👌😩👌 3 gold boons, +140% increase (+70%, 2x +35%)
dusky drum
nice
wintry tusk
Spent it all on the shop,
Before: https://i.imgur.com/sVk8CpG.png
After: https://i.imgur.com/mY6NdW8.png
dusky drum
nice
charred solar
This combo... I was really worried when I took Ice Wine that I'd run into incompatibility with Scintillating Feast, but nope, it all worked perfectly together. https://i.imgur.com/0OExy11.png
primal cape
this build was terrible but I just noticed how high my total clears & current streak is and I was surprised https://imgur.com/a/GzGRxVx
naive tusk
What is that skull in the boon panel?
primal cape
that's "god mode" it's an option in menu, it gives free damage reduction, currently running it just so I can get my titans blood easier
balmy crown
This run was so fun
Chiron's attack makes ennemies weak and so more vulnerable to crits
Chiron's special was crit based and seeks the weak ones
Relentless volley + ice wine for the double status damage boost
https://imgur.com/wKAqI6f
naive tusk
Ah, I see. Thanks!
mental current
Has anyone encountered this bug? I got to phase 2 of the final boss, he shot one of those green skulls at me which I deflected with Athena's dash, and it took him from half health to 0 instantly
I really doubt my brilliant riposte damage could do that much damage :-p
oh you know what? I also had aphrodite's legendary, so maybe he got charmed, shoot the skull, and then the skull hit him for the charmed damage which would explain it
unkempt pagoda
yeah deflect + charmed has a weird interaction in this game that's probably not intended?
prime knoll
maaaaaaaaaaan... Got Deadly Flourish first, Crystal Beam second; everything was setup. After 4 Dem boons and 4 Art boons, I'm at the end of Styx and still no Crystal Clarity...
mortal tendon
I felt like crystal beam was really bad. Maybe I didn’t use it right
prime knoll
It isn't as generally useful as most other casts, but if you place them then dash into their zone to fight, you can get some solid DPS
sometimes it's good to triangulate the placement, but mainly just standing so enemies want to loiter in their way is good
still idol
picked up this this while cleaning low heat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436555823423160320/685615006901075977/unknown.png @prime knoll
prime knoll
son of a gun
I will say that there's only one build that has felt great with that beam, and it was just now.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/792009831764639001/44B28603E6439F7F29980D6807355A4E0F471149/
Don't mind the lost DDs, that was all in the last fight because I'm a bonehead.
but the beam and shield constantly triggering crits maxes out your Call in short order
still idol
made friends along the way? 😛
prime knoll
fixed it
still idol
50 min, the heck
prime knoll
I had Deadly Reversal boosting crit chance even more (on dash and attack)
I take my time.
I'd like to have someone spectate (or to spectate someone else) to see exactly what takes up that time/how others do runs in 20 mins.
still idol
the beams are prob not the fastest
prime knoll
As you can see from the stats, I am apparently much slower with shield
still idol
but i like to do a round to see if i din't miss anything on any stage
clock also stops when you go to options, so you can ponder your choices without timer running out
prime knoll
aye
still idol
also my run had 3 Chaos gates, and no Legendary. I saw it once in 70+ runs and passed, and now it's gonna take another 70 to see it 😭
prime knoll
I have done ~150 attempts, and I've seen Chaos legendary twice. AND it was back to back gates in the same run.
so I face FB with 6 DD
I had to grab the tooth just for fun
still idol
what
prime knoll
I kind of feel like an old fisherman angler except this tale is true
primal cape
oh my god achilles aspect can make casts murder I just had a run with ares cast with the artemis duo boon, if I double special'd my ares cast was doing 38 per tic and my secondary cast (from artemis duo shot) was doing 18 damage per tic
prime knoll
How long does that bonus last?
primal cape
i'm not sure i think it's inconsistent
When I went double special and tried to triple cast it'd work but if I did a dash inbetween any of the three casts only two would have the damage boost
yet if I double special and didn't attack it'd last for like 8 seconds
prime knoll
Oh is that the one that gives your next two (or three?) Attacks a bonus? I really don't use spear much outside of GY, and the wiki is not helping me on this.
naive tusk
@prime knoll I'd love to spectate you someday if you wish!
prime knoll
haha, alrighty
plain leaf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492723824140484609/685691070637408296/unknown.png
This is pretty fun, especially when I land power shots+criticals
prime knoll
does the shorter range reduce the charge time at all? I don't recall
plain leaf
Nope, only explosive shot does
Hermes giving me epic Swift Flourish instead of swift strike, sad
prime knoll
Right, it extends it, I just thought twin shot reducing the range may have shortened the draw time because it doesn't go as far.
That's rough
kind cloud
This freaking game has a way of denying the thing you want...
plain leaf
Well at least I'm dealing lots of critical thanks to hunters mark + deadly flourish + maxed out Chiron
kind cloud
And I've noticed the more health I have the more I get spammed by the stupid f***ing chariots (small and large) with the armor to erase my health.
Finally, athena's dash is now worthless against hades spin attack
prime knoll
oh? I haven't noticed any reduced efficacy with athena dash
civic barn
is world smasher just...really weak?
from the description i thought it was going to be an area attack around you, but it feels like i'm gimping my defense a lot to use it as is
prime knoll
I don't like it myself. I kind of don't care if it's AoE or anything like that because it removes bull rush/block
unkempt pagoda
world smasher is okay, but imo charged shot outperforms it in almost every way
better damage, ranged, can still block
turbid needle
really conflicted on world smasher as well
feels awful to use in regular fights but hades comes and all i do is hold down attack and win
plain leaf
Agreed it's hardly worth giving up bull rush
Has anyone ever tried charming Asterius with Aprodite's call while he's rushing you?
it's pretty hilarious
thin tide
Is it just me or are Poms rather underwhelming
i feel like its better to take just about anything else
turbid needle
A lot of core boons will receive big damage bonuses from vanilla to level 2.
Casts especially explode in power, almost all of them get at least a 50% damage boost.
thin tide
when you say core boons do you mean weapon boons or?
turbid needle
Also, the damage boost for Casts (and stuff like Doom, Lightning, and Hangover) increases the base damage, so additional boosts will increase from that higher base damage.
Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, and Call.
thin tide
ah okay
maybe ill try going for some more of them and see if my opinion changes
generally i just feel like id rather re roll it for a chance at another boon etc or take the other door most of the time
earnest compass
once you have your main boons poms are the main way to get stronger
turbid needle
I would say that generally speaking boons and hammers are better than Poms, but leveling all of your boons is a good idea.
turbid needle
Some Aspects can go hammerless, practically.
Others live and die on getting the right hammer.
earnest compass
hestia 
turbid needle
Hestia, most Aegis builds, Poseidon.
thin tide
Im a shield main so i love getting piercing shot plus powershot or faster charge
turbid needle
Definitely, but I could easily run Zagreus Aspect to Styx on at least 10 Heat.
kind cloud
is there a f***ing reason why the f###king vases/pots hinder movement. if you dash into them without anything on dash, they hinder movement and you get stuck, it's even f###ing worse when it happens in a corner in an isometric map. there's design, there's bad design, and then there's wtf-is-this-bullsh#t-were-you-smoking-crack-or-just-trolling game design.
earnest compass
hmm i almost never use the shield charge up
turbid needle
Dodging the chat filter like that is a good way to get smashed by mods.
kind cloud
worth it
kind cloud
like i said, there's bad design and then there's whatever the hell that is...
turbid needle
Never lost a run or anything to pots.
earnest compass
vases are just like the destructible objects to me, though i dont find them to be in the way most of the time
thin tide
I love the zues aspect on shield and then just going ham with bull rush or charged shot with a bouncy boy going ham with some sort of upgrade that stacks
earnest compass
yeah zeus shield is pretty fun
getting a zeus special on that + the double lightning strike and the legendary
thin tide
oh for sure
if i want a lazy run ill try force Poseidon/Zeus combo and then if i can get charge shot and either minitour rush or faster charge its pretty gg at that point
also because sea storm is based on "knock away effects" it means hitting them with charge shot is a knock away so you can stack up to 3 status if your Attack has one something like chill etc and other things have jolted and rupture
prime knoll
I fully expect the update to bring Hestia's damage down a bit.
opal bay
First time I actually see vases being a problem. They are harmlessly standing around in corners, most unlikely place you should be if you wish to not get hit plus they are genuinely quite easy to break too.
turbid needle
I'm pretty sure they can be dashed across, too, like other gaps or obstacles.
Not like attacks fizzling out across the waist-high tables that litter Tartarus.
opal bay
That too
kind cloud
the waist-high tables don't make sense either
turbid needle
They don't, but to describe pots as deliberately-designed-to-infuriate-and-screw-with-gamers is still hyperbole.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181645099485233152/685748278738157608/20200307151733_1.jpg got a new fastest run
Very nice!
Want some totally unsolicited advice?
go ahead
Get Aphrodite Attack for Nemesis runs. 30% is already a huge chunk, and the additional damage pays off a lot.
Not that you need the help, you know to go for Double Edge and World Splitter.
ah, well i normally do that for most runs, aphrodite and demeter attack and special
just wanted to try out artemis attack since already 1 proc from divine dash + exposed
I would recommend you keep Deadly Flourish for the Heart Rend spawn (requires Deadly Strike/Flourish), though.
I've never actually tried Deadly Strike on Nemesis, were you seeing enough of an increase in crits to make it worth it?
artemis bumps the total CC up to 45% from 30% with maxed nemesis, cause of nemesis aphrodite attack is actually marginally more dmg than artemis attack but a bit less consistent crits, so yeah, you're right, should have gone for artemis special and aphrodite attack next time, if not nemesis artemis would have been the better choice but aphrodite wins out by a little margin cause of nemesis if im right in assuming their CCs are merely additive to each other
Yes, they are additive.
turbid needle
also, is it a bug for flurry shot + twin shot to not continue firing after a dash and still holding down M1? i dont remember what it's usually like with just flurry shot
chrome viper
flurry shot is interrupted when you dash
turbid needle
that's a bummer
civic barn
dash in general works awkwardly with the bow
and it's the only weapon with that issue
turbid needle
Hunter Dash and Chaos Lunge boons really make the bow's Dash Attack shine.
still idol
i kinda have problem performing dash-attack with Bow 🤔 or dunno how it actually looks like
turbid needle
There's a shorter charge time for Power Shots.
smoky oasis
Demeter cast is kinda crazy in boss fight, I just found out
Hades melted in so quickly
just spam all crystals and dance around, you dont even need to do anything
same for theseus fight
turbid needle
didnt even have the duo boon for the cast either? huh
earnest ravine
65 damage a second per bloodstone is no joke
wise ibex
http://prntscr.com/rcywjy didnt expect this to end up as a win
distant basin
I don't understand how all the "return to the threshold" boons work.
Is it just telling you to give up? Die? What?
wise ibex
if your health gets below said % ot heals you up to it after finishing with a room
wise ibex
yea i love most of dios boons, hangover and his hp support are always welcome
smoky oasis
should increase ur heat man
you are missing out lots of titan bloods, diamonds and stuff
@wise ibex
wise ibex
@smoky oasis will get to it atm i just want to get a better hang of rolling with no matter what rng the fates throw at me
smoky oasis
I think you will improve faster by slowly rising the difficulty
just clearing heat 0 will make u stagnant
wise ibex
hmmm true
ill go figure out what ill want to start the heat climb with after this run then
wise ibex
base yea
distant basin
Wait. How do you go out with zero heat? The Pact of Punishment needs the bar full to even let you out.
rancid shore
you can leave with any amount of heat on not hell mode
still idol
a true Hades story
distant basin
I am just giving all of them the blue hearts though.
It's fine.
Everything's fine.
sacred idol
🤔 should I turn on God Mode for less stressful farming of Titan Blood for the new aspect?
smoky narwhal
what does god mode do
naive tusk
Love your Dionysus' avatar 💌
prime knoll
How could the heat system be improved to avoid feeling the desire to use god mode to farm resources? Unless you're fine with it.
sacred idol
@smoky narwhal you're goddamn right
also I mean, not having crap like no choice, and boss damage being less instagib-flavored at base @prime knoll
prime knoll
The teensiest changes to dash timing or the like could make big differences in the overall effects of heat.
prime knoll
But changing some of the less engaging pacts would probably help a lot. Or just adding a couple more
naive tusk
Calls are awesome
smoky narwhal
what is heat? im really new so idk
prime knoll
Whose call?
naive tusk
It's something you will unlock after you beat the game once
naive tusk
It adds difficulty and rewards you with more bounties
smoky narwhal
more difficulty is always fun
prime knoll
At the bottom of the server is a channel with the details
smoky narwhal
o ok ty
prime knoll
Or you could assign yourself a role you don't want. The power is in your hands!
Hey Peach!
smoky narwhal
big brain
prime knoll
I know I've shared some Thoughts about Zeus shield and Hestia rail, but they have quickly become my most-used aspects alongside Zag rail.
I finally got a flow going for the shield, and it plays well. I do still wish I had more control over where the shield stops.
finite violet
this was a really smooth run https://gyazo.com/8d5d15fc91eddbe480519181f423b6a0
aphro's cast paired with sweet surrender on hera bow is niiiice
smoky narwhal
thats so much lmao
naive tusk
I'm liking how Zeus Aspect is having more fans now
earnest ravine
It's a good weapon
lime estuary
Yee
smoky oasis
I got 30+ complete runs on normal mode
Got bored, delete save and start anew on hell mode
hope I won't get bored so fast this time
naive tusk
Why delete?
distant basin
You could have just turned on hell mode in your saved game, I believe.
naive tusk
Or start a new save file
wise ibex
there we go i dipped into heat and came back alive http://prntscr.com/rd1ww7
hollow minnow
you DELETED it?! Why would you just toss away all your hard-earned Darkness???
round relic
when looking at my boons, i can hit dash/cross and it will highlight it and put a little teardrop marker on it. what does that do?
forest marsh
You can't turn on Hell Mode on an established game, it has to be from a new save if I remember correctly. God Mode can be turned on and off, though
lament coral
you can simulate hell mode on normal anyway
forest marsh
There is one Hell Mode exclusive Pact though
primal cape
What type of build should you go for when doing nemesis?
turbid needle
The god build is Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, and either Divine Dash or Hunter Dash.
Probably Divine on higher Heat unless you're a little on the crazy side.
Also, Double Edge and never use your standing attack.
naive tusk
I don't remember who recommended the Chain Shot + Triple Shot combo but it's soo much fun and effective! Feels like I'm playing pachinko (especially with Support Fire)
primal cape
Why deadly flourish?
lament coral
yeah, I don't get it
you're better off with Demeter special, long duration and good utility
primal cape
Also does anyone know if you have Zeus special if it can double proc when you have double nova
wary dome
it does double proc
primal cape
Hm would that make zeus special the best option if you had double nova?
waxen imp
i'm guessing that deadly flourish to go along with the athena duo with dash
wary dome
I actually think that flourish should be either Athena or Aphrodite while the attack is from Artemis
turbid needle
30 is more than enough crit chance, you get better returns with higher attack bonuses.
And no, still want Deadly Flourish.
lament coral
Zeus doesn't scale with the weapon's damage
primal cape
I like that idea but even with the extra crit somethin’ with higher % damage should outdo artemis attack
turbid needle
Deadly Strike/Flourish with a Weak boon gives you Heart Rend spawn.
lament coral
so on low damage attacks, it's great, like rail's attack
but on a strong attack, like sword with World Cleaver, it's a detriment
primal cape
I think you could take hunters strike and still get aphro duo but I could be wrong
lament coral
you can check duo requirements in the wiki
primal cape
I plan to
turbid needle
No, HeartfulPeach did some digging and confirmed it's just Deadly Strike/Flourish.
waxen imp
duo requirements are basically "have attack, special, dash, cast, or call"
unless you're talking about demeter which it's weird
primal cape
Yeah you need artemis attack or special
still idol
that's for legendary
lament coral
yeah, it's complicated
turbid needle
There are some Duos that require tier 2 boons.
Cold Fusion requires Static Discharge, a tier 2 Zeus boon.
waxen imp
yeah, demeter is weird
primal cape
But getting that duo would make a big difference cause it’d boost your crit dmg and with the free crit from nemesis your attacks would do work
waxen imp
so long as we're talking about duos
sacred folio
Also does anyone know if you have Zeus special if it can double proc when you have double nova
@primal cape Zeus' special boon has a per-target cooldown of 0.2 second. So the answer is both yes and no.
lament coral
the issue is that you'd be losing the 50% damage increase from Privileged Status
waxen imp
get dio attack, aphro on anything, posidon on anything on eris rail
all of the duos listed help alot
turbid needle
You can have additional sources of PS.
primal cape
@sacred folio why are you saying yes and no?
lament coral
you'd have to get PS off dash or call
sacred folio
Yes since it could trigger once per target for multiple targets. That's why some people claim that it can trigger multiple times.
turbid needle
Or Cast.
lament coral
which cast inflicts a long status?
turbid needle
Hell, I've had Crush Shot and Snow Burst so I didn't even have to bother with worrying about it on something else.
sacred folio
No because it won't trigger multiple times on a single target
primal cape
Alright makes sense
wary dome
Is there any special thing to do in order to release Sisyphus? I kinda had a few lines with Meg and Sisyphus himself as well as Hades but I still don't have the thing from contractor
turbid needle
In any case, I think that in a select few cases focusing down on only one or two boons/sources of damage is the better play.
But the majority of the time you want to diversify your kit.
primal cape
My current issue is I’m bad with sword and also don’t know how to make things work
Most of the time I win with sword it’s because I got a cast build or I have so much health I can faceroll
turbid needle
Play the sword like the shield: Never in one place for long, constantly abusing your mobility.
still idol
i'm on Chaos shield for so long, that i don't even kn ow how to play regular shield anymore 
turbid needle
If you Nova and then immediately Dash, you will carry yourself much further and Nova will activate immediately upon landing. I may be wrong, but I think you lose your i-frames with that so be careful.
waxen imp
How to play sword:
Step 1: Look at your sword
Step 2: Look at your other weapons
Step 3: Look at your sword again
Step 4: Pick another weapon
primal cape
Genera question if you get an attack bonus (like chaos) does it apply to your dash attack?
turbid needle
Yes.
primal cape
That helps, I was consistently wondering which to go between when tryin’ to focus on a dash attack build
night path
I always found that odd
Like if a boon affects your attack, it also affects your dash attack
BUT
there are boons that also explicitly affect your dash attack
As well as chaos boons that will affect your attack or dash attack
sage vale
Bow of Hera is the only real weapon in the game change my mind
lament coral
my 32 heat Chaos shield run says you're wrong
sage vale
The nuke though
lament coral
100% damage negation while dealing tons of damage though
still idol
nerf chaose shield 
lament coral
I don't see how that changes the 100% damage negation part, which is arguably the shield's selling point
waxen imp
it changes the mobility part
half the mobs can't even react when you bull rush past them
lament coral
there's no simple solution here, you either have to allow some enemy attacks to pierce the shield or add a shield break mechanic, whereby blocking X amount of attacks or damage would reduce the damage block from 100% to 75% or lower for X amount of seconds
turbid needle
Shield's fine.
primal cape
I wish shield attack was stronger the rest of it is good
lament coral
I think shield is OP, but Zag lacks damage and Zeus is too gimmicky for my liking
green birch
I’ve mentioned this before but it’s difficult to compare the shield to other weapons because it’s meant to be an entry-level weapon
lament coral
Chaos hits the sweet spot
green birch
It has a very low skill floor, the damage blocking is essential for newbies, and the mechanics are simple but fun
primal cape
what weapon you would you say isn’t an entry level weapon?
green birch
Spear for sure
lament coral
sword
primal cape
Honestly when I started spear was the easiest weapon for me
torn bison
i like shield for how aggresive u can play it too
green birch
The high-risk spin attack makes it tricky to play
lament coral
worst reach, long special
torn bison
holy its so fun getting a good special and u just wanna zoom in
primal cape
I think the spin attack is actually too slow for the range minus the max spin
green birch
Yeah, Shield is surprisingly versatile!
lament coral
spear has Zag, which gives you a reliable ranged option
primal cape
I miss how the shield charge used to work
green birch
Yeah, I was kinda sad when they cut Minotaur rush tbh
runic crown
Also, Aspect of Achilles helps with the dash and damage increase but it definitely is not newbie friendly
primal cape
It used to have actual mechanics
That’s a solid point but the aspects aren’t designed for newer players minus the zag aspect
green birch
Yeah, most aspects aren’t beginner friendly given that you have to be good enough at the game to get past Hydra to unlock them tbh
That said tho, Nemesis sword is my favorite weapon hands down
primal cape
What’s the requirement for unlocking aspects?
Like do you have to beat the entire game to start unlocking them?
sacred folio
Unlock all five weapons with keys IIRC
waxen imp
soon to be 6
green birch
Titan Blood, which you can only get from some bosses
primal cape
So unlock all weapons then you’re fair game to unlock aspects once you have titans blood
Though you can’t use pact of punishment until you beat the game correct?
green birch
Yep, that’s right
If you really want to get as many aspects pre-surface as possible, you’ll need to beat Hydra once with each weapon
waxen imp
i thought you gift hades nectar and he gives you pact of punishment
green birch
Nope!
waxen imp
did that change
waxen imp
that's how i got pact of punishment before
i just gave him ambrosia and he gave me it
this was before 4th biome
primal cape
Um I think you’re recalling wrong or you happened to just learn of pact after doing that
Though I gifted him before pact of punishment was released so that could be it
I also remember having to unlock pact of punishment with keys
waxen imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen junco
Can you not post images here?
civic barn
i think you have to upload somewhere else and link here
waxen junco
turbid needle
Now if only VM activated more frequently.
civic barn
you have to put quite a few eggs in the basket right now yeah
hm actually that brings up a question
does hazard bomb trigger vengence boons?
lament coral
why would it? You hit yourself 
civic barn
i mean it's like the only source of self damage, right? I'm curious if they made vengence boons proc on damage from enemies, or just damage received
maybe im forgetting some other source of self damage
unless we count the traps
lament coral
timer modifier?
civic barn
that's probably coded separately though right
lament coral
don't really know tbh
civic barn
well guess i can test it if no one knows
runic crown
That would be hilariously fun if timer damage triggers Vengeance!
civic barn
zagreus will die, sure, but he's taking you down with him!
subtle shale
so I need some advice on dealing with the final boss
I've cleared it a number of times but I feel like I just start messing up constantly during it and just lose all my health rapidly
smoky narwhal
i've beat meg so many times yet now i keep failing idek why so ik how u feel
waxen junco
Try to get good at using your dash as a dodge instead of wasting it to distance yourself. Also it's usually better to dodge into him or dodge to the side than directly dodge away. Deflect is a good way to deal with skulls, you also don't need to kill every last skull if it is awkward, just be cognisant of the ones you leave up so you aren't surprised when they explode. Use burst from calls to either deal with monster spawns or phase two, whichever gives you more trouble. Use aoe to clear pots when he spawns them if you have it, they are also easy to clear with dash effects, otherwise you can let him chase you a bit and then fight in areas he broke the pots.
finite violet
yeah i find with his 360 degree spin attack, dodging into him is safer than trying to escape out of its huge range
also a good tactic is if you manage to get zeus aspect shield... if you call the shield but run away from it, the fb will chase you same distance as the shield and deal quite a bit of damage
which i found p funny
civic barn
It's really helpful to have at least one source of deflect and one good source of aoe damage by the time you get to the final boss. Whether you can dodge his spins is more of an issue between your reflexes, experience, and whether you have more dashes available so I'd just recommend persistence. It also depends on the weapon but don't in general try not to linger around him. Move from one range to another and to another; the simplest way I think would be to just done at them, and go straight past and recover your brains before you go back in, if that makes any sense.
solid cairn
#hades-feedback anyone have any comments on this suggestion?
solid cairn
I mean, who wouldn’t want to shoot hades lasers
civic barn
I think the spear spin in general needs some adjustments. That said, could be interesting.
solid cairn
The other aspects don’t suffer from bad spin as much
civic barn
Another skill that takes even more mobility away from the player is probably not the idea though
Well that's because besides guan you (which has its own other pros and cons), hades aspect is literally just that, right
solid cairn
Doesn’t hades have a melee combo with his spear
lament coral
he does, ends with a thrust or a sweep
lament coral
I'm confused as you what you're talking about
solid cairn
I’m spitballing
lament coral
Hades aspect replacements?
solid cairn
Yes
I still think the lasers is one of the best ideas
But then it will suck up close
Unless they change the attack but that’s a tall order
civic barn
It could just be that the aspect has a special combo ender that's basically the spin, without the whole charge mechanic
Not like every weapon needs a charge... Though I guess they did add that in the upgrades
solid cairn
Well then what will the charged attack be
civic barn
It just won't have one, that's what I'm saying
civic barn
Remove it like it does currently? Make it so you can't get that upgrade?
solid cairn
Oh yeah that
civic barn
It's not the first aspect to not have all the upgrades
solid cairn
In any case I feel like hades aspect needs to be changed
waxen furnace
early in a hestia rail run, only have zeus attack so far. hammer is giving delta chamber, piercing fire, and flurry fire. does piercing fire work on the hestia bullet?
I know a lot of hammer upgrades sorta ignore the hestia bullet (like spread fire)
waxen furnace
also, how does zeus attack work with piercing fire? does the lightning trigger on the first enemy hit?
turbid needle
Let’s you wreck Theseus/Greatshields and the occasional double kill is nice
waxen furnace
ah good to know, thanks. I may pick it over flurry, then!
turbid needle
And I am not sure about the zeus thing
It might just be one lightning per attack but I dunno
waxen furnace
I wonder if dash-strike buffs affect the hestia damage as well
turbid needle
It does
waxen furnace
oooh
turbid needle
Like, dash then shoot
waxen furnace
got about 50% from chaos kicking in in a few rooms, and just got artemis dash offered
this might be fun
turbid needle
Yeah it’s gonna be good
waxen furnace
yeahhhh it's doing 350 damage per hestia shot, and I haven't even seen the furies yet
lime estuary
Ahhh, finally fully upgraded every current aspect
waxen furnace
just in time!
lime estuary
Now I need to stockpile blood for the new weapon
subtle shale
@waxen junco he can break his own pots?! How did I never notice before?
civic barn
He breaks then with the wave... Though now that you mention it I usually don't give him the time to do so anymore so I haven't seen it in a while either
It used to be that after he spawns the pots you can interrupt him out of the wave b but I'm not sure if that's the current state? He might just have an option to not do it at all
still idol
how much it costs for all weapon upgrades? :F
subtle shale
I knew the wave could do it, I wasn't sure if his other attacks did
quaint gazelle
I've been out for a few days can someone remind me when the next major update is coming out?
is it 4 days?
civic barn
you get two per clear if you up the heat every time so that's 97 runs and exchanging for one; with how little you use ambrosia right now i'd recommend actually using some of them in exchange.
march 10th
quaint gazelle
2 days?!
civic barn
er, supergiant is SF so their local time is 3 days i think?
quaint gazelle
jeez man its come quicker than i thought
civic barn
there's an ingame timer that you can probably trust!
still idol
I've used so far like... around 50 Blood i think, and have 20 Blood/Ambrosia still <_<
smoky narwhal
what will gifting charon get me
rough sable
a lot of groaning
waxen furnace
never seen a triple duo offering before
I was going for sea storm, but cold fusion is arguably more useful
civic barn
since it seems like you don't have anything that spams knockback i'd agree
waxen furnace
oh crud, I forgot that sea storm wasn't the opposite (knockback effects are triggered when things are hit by lightning)
whoops
cold fusion definitely the way to go
civic barn
the reverse would be interesting 🤔
chrome geyser
What weapon did you have? Cold fusion is fun for a few enemies; but if you are using lightning frequently; then cold fusion is not that great. Since you reapply jolted a lot.
Not to mention; with sea storm; any knockback also applies jolted.
naive tusk
That picture will someday load for me 😂
chrome geyser
Lol does not load for me as well. I try to post pictures directly from steam.
Also gonna try to finish the 19-20 heat bounties today. Fingers crossed. Gonna try to make some nice OP builds.
smoky narwhal
bone hydra makes me sad
chrome geyser
Bone hydra ex?
the main one seems difficult but once you got the algorithm down it's not a hard fight.
subtle shale
it's been awhile since I've played but like, the new Bone Hydra feels a lot more quick as a fight now
faint sonnet
strange bay
man, 32 heat is
a nightmare
16 heat was totally manageable
32 heat is a mind-exhausting slog
kind cloud
@finite violet how is your ammo drop time on hera only 2.86?
finite violet
i had it stacked with hermes' boon that makes the ammo drop faster
chrome geyser
Just had;
- Double Strike
- Splitting Bolt
- Sea Storm
- +4 arrows
- Poseidon flourish
- Jolted
- Ruptured
Man it took a while to get together but it DID for once and took me out of my slump.
@strange bay i imagine it to be so. I have no idea how i'm going to do it.
Currently grinding the bounties (19 heat with everything so far) and I'm gonna try to do 32 after that.
tidal thorn
OK so Posi sword is fun. What casts are good for it besides Artemis?
naive tusk
I did a run with Chiron and had:
- Curse of Agony
- Drunken Flourish
- Aphrodite's Call
- Passion Dash
- Sweet Surrender
-
- 4 Special Arrows
- +70% Special damage Chaos
- Empty Inside
tidal thorn
I crit for near 1500 with True Shot earlier. Woo man.
naive tusk
It was a weird build but it got me a victory 
chrome geyser
Dionysus is pretty good for poseidon.
Since the damage can get really high.
But artemis synergizes so well with dual shot, exit wounds, fully loaded. You definitely want some artemis there. Poseidon can be good too (don't get the demeter duo though; you want the cast to stick)
So does second wind have a UI indicator?
tidal thorn
It does not.
Which sucks.
Fun boon tho with the right calls.
The time doesn't scale tho, it's always 6 seconds.
chrome geyser
It's good with artemis; since you can proc it more often.
I managed to snag the 20 heat bounty with the rail. Feelin pretty good.
Two attack chaos boons; attack and dash-attack artemis. Was good damage.
I really like seeing the crits go to natural 2000's on hestia; but i find myself lacking so much defense because i tried going all in on attack.
chrome geyser
Wow. I'm beginning to really really like lambent plume. I have been taking it from asphodel onwards; and I get 15% dodge at the end of the run. I would say it's pretty good.
native ether
Cold Fusion and Sea Storm are imo some of the best duos in the game. If you're applying a lot of knockback (respectively) and especially for cold fusion if your lightning is on an attack you hit less reliably, then they're both worth your time.
Those 2, as well as Scintillating Feast, Ice Wine, Low Tolerance, and Hunting Blades, are the best duos to look for and are (at low to moderate amounts of heat) practically a run winner (in my opinion ofc)
chrome geyser
I don't know about cold fusion being the best. If your lightning sources are from attacks that are not quick; it is useful true. But zeus wants to be on things you can apply very frequently anyway. And there are so many ways to put jolted on enemies once you add zeus; i feel like it does not add much. It is nice damage if you just took zeus for a high damage status; and are not using as the main damage dealer. But with my zeus runs; i usually apply jolted at least 3 times per second. Cold fusion then is only useful against enemies like snakestone.
If I had to rank duo boons;
native ether
The advantage with never having to reapply it, especially with Demeter, is it guarantees constant privileged status uptime on attacks that do more damage, and it guarantees the longest amount of time of privileged status uptime.
at 10 seconds
hollow root
sorry to cut through! but this is my first time making it to styx, is it recommended to finish all the paths or leave straightaway once you find cerebus's thing?
native ether
weak + poison would be your next best and its at at most 8 ish seconds
Depends on how hurt you are, and if you need those upgrades
If you give him the sack though, it auto locks all the rooms
hollow root
:o
native ether
so dont give it to him unless you're ready to leave
chrome geyser
- Heart rend
- Sea Storm
- Ice Wine
- Hunting Blades
- Deadly Reversal
- Scintillating Feast
- Exclusive Access
- Spent Spirit
- Merciful End
- Blizzard Shot
- Crystal Clarity
- Sweet Nectar
- Vengeful Mood
- Low Tolerance
Others
native ether
After best boi doggo its just the final boss, so make sure you're prepared as best you think you can, and then I'd give it
chrome geyser
Depends winter; do you think you will gain more than you will lose health?
Like do you need a specific boon to make your build work?
Or out of DDs; and looking for athena boons/well of charons to replenish them?
It really depends.
native ether
Low Tolerance is incredibly underrated because everyone underestimates poison damage. Meanwhile I find I ignore Blizzard Shot because when I look for cast options, I never take Poseidon.
I always forget Deadly Reversal exists, but it is a good boon. Same with Merciful End. Those 2 are also imo top tier, instant run winners, provided you're not struggling too much.
chrome geyser
I never have issues keeping jolted up without cold fusion; i am usually attacking constantly
hollow root
whatre DDs?
chrome geyser
Death defiance
native ether
Death Defiances
hollow root
oh
chrome geyser
Low tolerance is really good.
native ether
if you can find wells of charon, they can replenish them (cost 200 obols though)
chrome geyser
Poison damage is pretty good; but I find that i can usually out-damage with other gods.
hollow root
ah
chrome geyser
But you take what you are given sometimes.
hollow root
i found razor shoals and completely blew threw elysium
chrome geyser
There are also 2 boons from athena that replenish your death defiances.
native ether
Poison damage can be out damaged but the advantage of it is the throw and forget effect of Poison. You apply it, then you don't have damage for a few seconds and can focus on dodging. Or you can go inflict a different enemy.
hollow root
how do you upload images here?
native ether
gotta use a third party site like imgur
hollow root
aight
native ether
I find boons like Sweet Nectar and Exclusive Access are great, but they don't necessarily win me runs
Whereas something like Hunting Blades/Ice Wine/Scintillating Feast/Merciful End? Rarely do I find I lose with those.
hollow root
what i have rn
i have 2 chambers left to explore
one has a pom, the other has an ares boon but 1 skull
native ether
Ares boon with a skull will be a miniboss, considering you're already at half health, that's risky
I would buy the poms in the shop instead of risking health in a styx chamber
hollow root
should i just go into final boss with no DD?
native ether
then go confront the end. You don't really have enough health resources left to gamble on future chambers imo
hollow root
ok
native ether
That being said, you'll probably die, though good luck :p
native ether
Final boss hits like a 18 wheeler semi barreling down the highway
or an out of control high powered train
native ether
Once you get used to it, you start to get the final boss down, but its a challenge at first (and with no death defiance, its even rougher rip)
native ether
Shield right? True Shot or Aid
hollow root
yeah shield
native ether
Flourish will be zero help on a shield special, dmg is so low crits will be pretty bad
native ether
Whichever you'd be more comfortable with. Aid might be better for a boss specifically
chrome geyser
I find myself attacking usually with more than 5 attacks per 4 seconds; so my worry with hangover is that it is not neccessarily a bonus 8*tick flat damage boost. But i take it a lot-
Especcially since it enables black out; which is insane.
native ether
Its usually why when im playing a very poison focused build, its on the rail, and its on spread shot
one round maxes the poison (a dash attack will max it on low tolerance) and then I go find another enemy to bully while the poison finishes the job
double it with Eris aspect to get 60% bonus poison damage
chrome geyser
ambrosia is used for deepening relationships with some characters
then they give you companions; which are once per game summons
then ambrosia is used to level them up to 5 times per game.
hollow root
:O
chrome geyser
I usually don't go eris spread fire that much but i should. That is a nice build idea if i come accross it.
sacred idol
God Mode is actually kind of nice.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/686155243364417557/unknown.png Also got a flameeater. Not bad.
sacred idol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/686159893673279508/unknown.png well this is weird
guess God Mode resets the clears somehow
Still, that RNG... I didn't even need God Mode, was just trying it for a laugh
turbid needle
that's a lot of t3 boons
sacred idol
Yup
The most I've ever seen
Hades kind of... disintegrated.
Everything was just constantly inflicting him with pain, and my hammers were double dash strike and cruel thrust
and yes, that's a level 5 zeus aid.
still idol
doesn't God Mode already guarantees Hades desintegration 🤔
sacred idol
Uh...
All it does is make you take less damage.
Doesn't make you kill him any faster.
still idol
ok, haven't try it
sacred idol
The only difference is one extra death defiance on that run
plain pewter
i'm thinking chirion with doom special is my current favorite build
too bad for the charged volley audio bug though...
proud storm
sorry to rain on your parade https://i.imgur.com/mbEBgWi.jpg
damn you wouldve beaten me by 2hp if you had the collar
proud storm
whats the level of your chaos shield
proud storm
i'd go with the cast then
smoky narwhal
ok
sacred idol
👀
I just somehow managed to take down half of Hades' healthbar in one Chiron special
What the hell is going on with my damage multipliers?
I have Heart Rend+Deadly Reversal, but... he wasn't even charm-deflected.
chrome geyser
@plain pewter chiron with doom? That's a sort of non-synergy tbh; because only the first shot applies doom. Other boons are much higher dps on chiron. But the charged volley is awesome.
But I love doom on non-chiron special bows; expeccially with the volley pierces enemies hammer upgrade. Just apply doom to everyone.
sacred idol
this is... silly
I had a bonus for attack, dash, and special each from chaos
I don't understand what exactly was making my flourish oneshot Hades down to an entire phase though
chrome geyser
As a perspective; your unadulturated special deals 10*7=70; doom deals ~200 there (with impending). Charged volley deals 210.
sacred idol
(also, Snow Burst is great, it's a cheesy way to get priv stat)
chrome geyser
Chiron?
sacred idol
Yup
chrome geyser
If you get deadly reversal; it's 35% crit chance per arrow.
sacred idol
See, I had another 3 god run, which bugs out the game and forces 5-6 gods with Styx
chrome geyser
And the crits deal *4.5 damage.
chrome geyser
Since you have weak on them.
sacred idol
spawns gods left and right
chrome geyser
OH that's what happens
Because i have been having 3 god runs
Then getting 3 completely unrelated gods in styx
sacred idol
oh wait, I had priv stat, crit, 7 arrows with absurdly high crit chance, a small dash of weak vulnerability to damage
chrome geyser
I was doing a demeter-artemis-aphrodite run
chrome geyser
Then got ares, zeus and athena only in styx; they did complete vengeful mood though.
sacred idol
If only my RNG had put it together before, you know, the last 3 rooms.
:/
But that is kind of disgusting
chrome geyser
Did you have charged volley?
sacred idol
Yes
chrome geyser
Because charged volley adds 210 damage to your shots; which also get multiplied by 4.5
sacred idol
Charged Volley, so 300% on top of the maybe 120-130% from chaos and artemis...
yeah, I guess
that's nasty
chrome geyser
Charged volley-artemis is insane on chiron bow
chrome geyser
lol. Jabberwocky aspect when?
sacred idol
angry bees draped in monofilament wire
chrome geyser
Oh holy crap! A JABBERWOCKY aspect of the sword!
sacred idol
Hey, that'd make a great 4th sword!
Snicker-snack! And then the enemy has a chance to instantly die
Bosses get like... massive damage instead
chrome geyser
It could be dragon themed; like guan yu. But western dragons rather than eastern.
And have animations like the Juggernaut arcana from Dota2
plain pewter
oh well thing with the doom on special is that in theory its just doing a bonus projectile for single target, and often times it kinda helps a lot with multi target since once you level up the doom effect and have good rarity on it, it becomes very appealing, also once you get the stacking boon it can become pretty good
smoky narwhal
f
plain pewter
rip
plain pewter
do butterflies have hitstun?
smoky narwhal
i dont know
finite violet
this made final boss so easy lmao https://gyazo.com/8d6e3e685e545f09442986b9b3a07c2a
kindred bolt
hey guys, this new update has a new weapon, does it have any new aspects for any other weapons?
where can i find information or they just said nothing?
still idol
We are waiting for more informations
kindred bolt
oh thanks, i was hoping they said anything about new aspects or something
chrome geyser
Now that i think of it; the stacking boon makes it like also +100% damage. So actually pretty doable.
No crit synergy but then again you are not always gonna get artemis.
Could be pretty good with impending doom and deflect on attack with merciful end.
kindred bolt
i still don't understand how people get so many boons, after the update, i literally never get to the 3rd row
i used to before the winter update
i usually finish the first boss with 2 skills and 1 passive
finite violet
i lucked out in getting the duo boon that lets me get epic or higher in tartarus
so i just ended up getting loads of op boons from there on out
kindred bolt
i usually don't find that many god rooms anymore in general after the update
i used to have runs like that before the update
the higher the heat, the less i get i feel
finite violet
same, honestly this run i was just very lucky with getting god rooms
kindred bolt
good RNG for sure
i played 10-15 runs since the winter update and i usually get 2 skills and 1 passive average in the first area
finite violet
i have had other runs where i barely get any and its a slog, so i guess it just depends on rng lmao
kindred bolt
they need to increase the chances of god rooms a little bit i think
but they game also feels easier, or am i imagining that?
the*
primal cape
yeah after this update my runs with boons have been really sparse
I swear the numbers on bosses got tweaked to make the game quicker to do
I know there are somethings that were different, like 2nd boss used to have healing vases
3rd boss could summon chariots
kindred bolt
i didn't play for a month and came back and things just feel a little easier i think
they removed the healing vases i think
glossy plaza
pretty sure Theseus fight never have any summons
primal cape
asterius could summon chariots when he got to half health
kindred bolt
ya i never saw it either, unless i missed an update
primal cape
he'd summon at max two
kindred bolt
i have 120 hours in the game, never saw one
primal cape
also the miniboss encounter with asterius would summon 2/3 gorgons
glossy plaza
I can't tell, I have been playing since they released the final boss so it isn't as early
primal cape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9pjQdUE87U&ab_channel=nekov4ego this is the miniboss fight
glossy plaza
took quite a hiatus from the game since the Hydra update way way back till the final boss update
kindred bolt
this is may 8th
primal cape
I said used to
primal cape
well I'm talking about the old game
kindred bolt
i never saw it
primal cape
https://youtu.be/9WhwhaD5o4I?t=981 here's the chariots
kindred bolt
that would make me rage quit! this boss is hard enough especially if you are upgrading the boss with the pact of punishment
primal cape
at this time it was old pact of punishment, it used to go up to 200 I think
sacred idol
Beefy
primal cape
^
kindred bolt
from what i see, they have improved the game a lot
chrome geyser
Holy crap the game was improved.
woeful osprey
Quick question, what happens when you get less kills then Than?
kindred bolt
you don't get the +hp boost
woeful osprey
and do ties go to the player or Than?
finite violet
player
woeful osprey
thank you
primal cape
what brought you to say the game was improved silver?
chrome geyser
The arena is much more polished and live feeling.
kindred bolt
im gonna go and play a few runs
primal cape
I think when than first came out, (though this could be true if you're low on nectar I'm unsure) you could only get your reward if you beat him in kills and there wasn't a free cerberus hert
chrome geyser
And now we have theseus ON the chariot
woeful osprey
Wait, Theseus can ride on the chariot? Is that from the pact of punishment that gives bosses a new form?
primal cape
yeah when you max that part of pact
primal cape
https://imgur.com/a/cBjyj5O
this was such a strong run
Chaos legendary
Nemesis
Aphro + artemis duo
Aphro + athena duo
Athena + Artemis duo
Dash attack for daedelus
Dash attack from chaos
deep vault
Wait
what kind of legendary do you get from Chaos?
unkempt pagoda
after getting at least one chaos boon beforehand, there's a low chance of getting their legendary
it grants you an additional death defiance (rather than refilling DDs like other effects do)
primal cape
yeah you see that eye in the death defiance row on the far right? That's the chaos icon for legendary
mortal tendon
Rummaging through the updates, looks like they have updated the frequency a couple of times on that DD legendary from chaos too.
stable garden
deep vault
oh man I've been playing for a while now and never saw that
primal cape
that's a combo i've wanted to try for a while