Might try butterfly
#h1-builds-and-combat
green compass
unkempt pagoda
mostly level up the ones you like, though
green compass
I have to clear rooms without getting hurt right?
ripe parrot
And at max rank it gives 2% with each damage free clear so it can be viable since you can sweep through Tartarus and Asphodel relatively quick without taking damage in most chambers
green compass
I was planning on finishing demeters
unkempt pagoda
earring, acorn, spearpoint, and tooth are current meta
ripe parrot
They are but only to influence the start of a run p. much
green compass
I liked getting aphro early
ripe parrot
They influence the first boon only
unkempt pagoda
eh, i think the real point of the god keepsakes is the guaranteed boon, so the rarity increase per level imo aren't the most pressing
ripe parrot
I use Zeus and Artemis' trinkets a lot
green compass
Yea cale but when you swap to another it effects the second floors first boon
ripe parrot
Then switch off in Asphodel
scarlet urchin
I personally tend to switch out my trinkets in between.
mostly using the god trinkets to ensure a certain god boon will appear in Aspodel if I'm aiming for it.
ripe parrot
Switching is a good strat
green compass
I like it so I can try to secure good boons for main and special attacks
tidal thorn
^
ripe parrot
No matter what I almost always switch to Acorn for Styx so FB doesn't delete me on his second phase
green compass
Then swap to spearpoint to carry me past theseus
tidal thorn
Pretty much the God keepsakes level themselves.
green compass
I despise thesus fight
scarlet urchin
I tend to use spearpoint for Styx.
ripe parrot
Spearpoint is the i-frames right?
scarlet urchin
Yup it protects you for a bit if you get hit.
Good against poison and those snake stones.
green compass
Might try leveling acorn for that fight alone
scarlet urchin
I actually haven't used acorn a lot but I might try level it see if I like it...
ripe parrot
By the time I get to Styx I'm usually kitted to clear those tiny Maze chambers like in a few seconds so the Satyrs and Snake Stones don't bother me so much
Acorn is useful af if you're already decent at positioning and dodging through attacks
At max rank it's 5 free hits
green compass
With a bow I should be
scarlet urchin
Which I am not. ^^: I still make a lot of positioning and dodging mistakes.
ripe parrot
Use Butterfly to train it up
green compass
Most of my mistakes are getting lanced in the back while dodging the bull
unkempt pagoda
sometimes, if i know i'm gonna get darkness as a boss reward, i'll put on shawl to get a free full heal after the boss
ripe parrot
Yeah when Thesus does get me it's because he snipes me with that throw
I used to merc Asterius first but I try to attack them simultaneously now
green compass
Only reason I love rail gun is because it cheeses that fight
No blocking the mortar
green compass
Grenades?
unkempt pagoda
on extreme measures i usually go for asterius first, the big spin hurts real bad
green compass
Is that his heat upgrade?
tidal thorn
Yeah
unkempt pagoda
regular A+T though i'll just kill them both at the same time
ripe parrot
Yeah with Pact increases he gets grenades and a ||shopping cart||
green compass
I've seen that last one didnt know he had nades
scarlet urchin
I tend to focus on Asterius first always.
green compass
Same because hes in my face
ripe parrot
Does baiting Asterius charge into Theseus actually damage him? I've done it plenty but there's usually too much going on for me to watch the health bars and see if it does
unkempt pagoda
i find keeping them both alive and killing them at the same time makes the fight more fun and intensely more satisfying :V
tidal thorn
I killed Theseus once before Ast, on accident. lol
green compass
Btw how is orpheus trinket with bow?
tidal thorn
Not bad.
green compass
That sounds good but I dont know how far it wants
unkempt pagoda
works as well as you think
tidal thorn
For distance it's like near Max charge
green compass
Because if it adds to each of chirons special attack that sounds nutty
scarlet urchin
Stay close to stuff I can dodge behidn and usually on the other side of the arena to dodge spears.
With the pact I still stay on the outer circle. because usually the explosions are clearly indicated and being in the middle leaves you open for the gattling gun.
Whilst the circling isn't all that dangerous if you keep an eye on it.
ripe parrot
I wish Theseus rode around on Asterius instead of a cart as funny as it is
With a lil cowboy hat
unkempt pagoda
theseus is intensely more annoying with extreme measures on (and grenades do a hilariously high amount of damage) but hearing him laugh hysterically the whole fight makes it worth it
pallid python
Are you gonna commission some fan art? :P
tidal thorn
I thought his laugh was hilarious the first time I heard it.
scarlet urchin
Oh yes, I love Theseus maniacal laughter.
green compass
If I wasnt broke I would in a heartbeat
scarlet urchin
(But I love him face planting even more.)
opal bay
I think Theseus is alright in EM, at least he isn't throwing a spear at me across the room.
pallid python
the pact upgrading Theseus and Asterius doesn't make it harder in the sense that the fight is harder, Theseus is so darn hilarious it makes me miss blocks and dodges cause it actually makes me laugh sometimes
unkempt pagoda
asterius is the real danger in EM tbh
pallid python
NOOO. MY CHARIOT :'<<
scarlet urchin
^^: I actually don't do commissions... Still looking into how they work... I never felt adept enough to take them on. But lately I've been getting a lot of people asking if I do them.
And... well... The idea is kind of funny.... I do want to draw that... But also people aren't my specialty.
green compass
What changed about FB?
unkempt pagoda
once theseus is off his chariot he's a complete pushover
green compass
With the heat upgrades
ripe parrot
Dang
tidal thorn
Mhm. Frick that spin.
ripe parrot
I will make this image happen.
unkempt pagoda
final boss has no EM variant
pallid python
YET
unkempt pagoda
the max level is elysium
opal bay
It's that Asterius becomes really big kicker really. I mean I would be fine with him. But man the spin attack.
green compass
Ohh
ripe parrot
FB with EM 2spook
opal bay
Always gets me
pallid python
the final boss EM variant will be the boss taking away your weapons and forcing you to have a mano a mano fight
green compass
Wouldn't that make the final boss way easier then everyone else?
ripe parrot
I dunno, FB's hands are like the size of your body
To catch them would result in death
ripe parrot
Unless you have hella dashes
green compass
Em furies caught me completely by supprise the first time
unkempt pagoda
the only boss you could make a case for harder than FB is extreme measures A+T
opal bay
Hydra is definitely more annoying
pallid python
FB can be a pushover if you have right build/weapon
green compass
I find theseus harder then fb on some normal runs
tidal thorn
I have EM hydra tbh. I always take too much damage.
pallid python
like if you have chaos shield, you dont even need any boons
ripe parrot
Imagine if the Furies fight was more like A + T and all three stayed out with their own health bars
pallid python
the fight is a formality
opal bay
Especially with how tight the safe land is and how many heads there are at the second phase
The boss room there basically checks how much damage you can deal
unkempt pagoda
i mean, the arena being tighter just means your companions can hit more heads so
ripe parrot
There's always the Hydra skip
scarlet urchin
Honestly if I have time tomorrow I'm totally making a drawing of Theseus with a cowboy hat riding Asterius to battle.
(Chaaarge!)
green compass
Best part of theseus fight is after when you circle the area and comment on your adoring fans
opal bay
That's truex but as someone who carries around bouldy. I am in a bit of disadvantage.
tidal thorn
I always thank the fan if it's for Ambrosia. lol
scarlet urchin
I tried Bouldy.
I really prefer Than.
unkempt pagoda
EM hydra is annoying but not really a runbreaker, it checks how good you are in a claustrophobic setting
green compass
Romance artemis when?
ripe parrot
^^^
unkempt pagoda
for me, not well, but i usually don't lose a DD anymore
green compass
They already dont follow the lore it's now fair game
opal bay
Though I may change from bouldy once I have stocked up on gems
ripe parrot
I already have Artemis primed up and ready to go for that Romance update lol
green compass
What they did with dusa was a low blow
earnest ravine
There's an answer in the Ask Supergiant about that
green compass
No matter how realistic
ripe parrot
Tho I have like, all of them at max hearts at this point
earnest ravine
re: Artemis
green compass
Honestly I've converted most of my ambrosia to titans blood so I probably wont really use the summon that much
When I finally get one
Since meg is NEVER THERE
ripe parrot
Bruh I feel you on that fr
green compass
Honestly though megs va should get a raise
ripe parrot
She's never there when you need her and when she is there it's just a convo you have to witness so you can't gift her.
ripe parrot
And then she takes FOREVER to get her things and FOREVER to give you her favor lol
It felt like forever at least
green compass
Not romancing Hermes... yet
When will supergiant realize we just want a dating sim
last nacelle
Yes, Hades is a step back from Pyre.
ripe parrot
A companion Hades dating sim vn where you date all the Gods
green compass
including hades
ripe parrot
i'm trying to self-insert and bang the gods
ripe parrot
Hahaha, nah.
green compass
And want to see more
ripe parrot
Yeah I would love that.
last nacelle
Chaos decides to reconnect with the gods by transforming into an androgynous humanoid form and seducing every single god.
ripe parrot
Or an animation of some kind.
green compass
That would be glorious gaswafers
ripe parrot
GENIUS
scarlet urchin
... And I'm going back to playing the game and not checking this chat.
ripe parrot
Hahaha why do you have to phrase it like that
last nacelle
No, each person gets to choose one of three candies.
green compass
So gas can refine it
ripe parrot
Even though there are infinite candies, allegedly
last nacelle
And they all have wrapping that inflicts various kinds of pain as you unwrap them.
green compass
Makes the final reward so much sweeter
quaint gazelle
I've never played a dating sim in my life but if someone made a hades dating sim i would buy it immediately
ripe parrot
F A C T S . C O M
We're live today folks and reporting to you some cold hard F A C T S
green compass
Wonder how long till a mod steps in and tells us all to shut up 
ripe parrot
They're furiously writing down notes about our genius ideas
green compass
Already they are hard at work coding
scarlet urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/683781973688451302/unknown.png
.... Ok so I could've sworn I switched to spearpoint but apparently I forgot to do so.
Didn't lose any DD's at FB I lost one at Theseus and Asterius fight.
Maybe... just maybe playing on high heat whilst tired and sleepy is not the best idea.
ripe parrot
You did it though!
scarlet urchin
I did do it! ^^
ripe parrot
I just accidentally dodged into an arrow trap and lost a DD lol
ripe parrot
Nah I just was low health and it was an unlucky dodge
This is probably a RIP
Going into Theseus and Asterius with Guan Yu and one DD
Nvm lol
Scintillating Feast op
astral magnet
i always end up getting a really rough chaos boon without realising it's close to the boss 
doing the hydra with just spear special/cast without any hammers on the special was slow
warped oxide
Whos FB
ripe parrot
Final Boss
ripe parrot
Yeah
astral magnet
can bosses just hit through invulnerable or something? just had asterius kill me right after i'd used athena's aid
was a shame, was enjoying the run, had a ton of special damage up and explosive spear, hit for 500 crits every other throw
unkempt pagoda
hmm
ripe parrot
Something bugged out and a Hydra head spawned in after vanquishing
unkempt pagoda
it’s lernie’s son looking for revenge
ripe parrot
I completed the run!
deft onyx
random question - is there some sort of prequisite to get thanatos to spawn? because 65 runs annnd he's a no show..
i've had hypnos ask me if i've seen his brother.. but that was about 15 ish runs ago..
bug or just really unlucky RNG?
rapid holly
this is super annoying https://imgur.com/BTozqzI
Had hera aspect and crush shot, but it happens with hera aspect a lot in general
oh i also had tempest strike which pretty much ensured this happened all the time since my shots would push enemies to walls, where the casts fall out into the walls
kind cloud
Yeah, happens to me too and it pisses me off
(cast getting stuck in places that can't be reached)
And I've realized that athena's deflect dash is a must for hades in my case because it can deflect everything including hades' thrust (which is the only attack that goes through the shield)
dense locust
For some reason it never clicked how amazing flurry cast is with ares cast if you have the boon that makes them homing
chrome viper
I was wondering what would people think if they replaced the current bloodstone system
Like instead of picking them up, they removed the physical shards but you'd have to wait a cooldown to use your cast again
waiting for a bit sounds better than being unable to use them again, especially when they glitch/are out of bounds or you just don't know where the shards are
kind cloud
i'm open to that change but that means things like exit wounds is obsolete.
cloud anchor
I would not like that kind of idea. The bloodstones are interesting because you need to keep track of where they are. If it's a cooldown, then it's just the same as all other games. The only change I'd like to see is for them to float back to shore on the lava maps. I don't think I've had many problems on any of the other maps.
iron shale
does rare crop have any prerequisites to spawn ?
like having a certain number of boons ?
chrome geyser
I got offered 6 god boons again.
This NEVER happened before.
What i mean is boons from 6 different gods
naive tusk
They love you 🧸
rancid shore
you can only take 4 unique gods naturally (5 if you use a keepsake after getting 4) even if you are offered all of them
i think he used to summon a random one if you had all of them though
kind cloud
meanwhile, the game keeps giving me darkness after darkness after darkness after darkness/gemstones in a 15 heat run. F this bullcrap man.
4 consecutive rooms of darkness/gemstone choices. F off.
how is that even possible? does supergiant games not have some kind of balancing algorithm? i have one boon so far through 10 rooms in tartarus.
chrome viper
@kind cloud not necesarily. The ''physical'' bloodstone shard would be removed, but the effect itself (In example, the bloodstone showing in enemy's hp) would still exist
kind cloud
oh
In that case, then why not just keep the physical thing?
otherwise, you don't have to keep track of it.
chrome viper
exactly
most of the feedback posted in #hades-feedback is about how hard is to keep track of the shards
that's why I had that idea
obviously the drawback would be having to wait for the casts to be available again, but Artemis, Hermes & some Aspects already offer a solution to those issues
rancid shore
That's probably the issue I'd have with that
chrome viper
the only boon that would be affected if they removed the physical shard would be Lightning Rod I think
rancid shore
You'd have to rework a lot of stuff to work around it
chrome viper
Hermes' Quick Reload would be straight up cooldown reduction instead of dislodge time
damage overall wouldn't need to be reduced since the casts would be available around the same time as how it works right now
I can't think of anything besides Lightning Rod that would need to be changed
rancid shore
Would it be a global cooldown or one for each stone?
rancid shore
Yeah, but it also seems more annoying to implement
rancid shore
3-9 separate timers, I guess
last nacelle
I think that Dire Misfortune should cause blade rifts to stack up doom damage.
chrome viper
you're right, I'm having a hard time thinking how they would show the cooldown for each shard
rancid shore
Yeah, the cast is a weird problem
small gorge
https://imgur.com/a/eYXRvzC
Beauty ♥
waxen imp
small gorge
sad
so far after the update, i couldnt find Exit Wounds aka dislodged damage. They removed it or what? Need answer
sacred folio
You can search the wiki: https://hades.gamepedia.com/index.php?search=Exit Wounds&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
small gorge
guess it was just my unlucky
prime knoll
@chrome viper
On Bloodstones:
In terms of how bloodstones function mechanically, losing track of them is the core issue, which can be solved. I like the various mechanics around them as physical (stationary) things which, recalling off-hand, I suppose might only be Lightning Rod. 🤔 The other effects involve them as either a projectile or a special kind of status on someone.
Exit Wounds doesn't require a physical shard because it could simply be a status applied to a foe- let's call it Embedded. If a foe is embedded with a stone, you can't use that stone, but you can interact with the status by ending it or detonating it or whatnot. Once the status expires in some way, that stone is available again. If a cast misses (or simply leaves an effect on the ground), it is available as soon as its projectile or effect expires. So in that way, Exit Wounds would trigger upon the status expiration.
At the moment, bloodstones' return timer generally only comes into play in three discrete scenarios that I can tell-
A) You use a cast like Aphrodite's and the stone gets deposited outside the map; (there could be an out-of-bounds box around the map that would trigger stones to move inside the zone or simply return to you)
B) You use a 'loose' cast like Zeus' chain lightning, and it bounces to an unreachable location; (similar but perhaps not let a stone become stationary anywhere that Zagreus couldn't stand, thereby ensuring that Zag can reach it)
C) You're in Asphodel and you just can't see the stone among all the orange textures; (several options for visibility improvements have been suggested)
I personally don't mind them being out in the lava because I can still get them, but I don't like that they're so hard to spot when they're out there. Either way, with the three scenarios above addressed, I doubt the need to pick them up would be an issue. I think bloodstones as physical objects could go much farther if SG chose to go that route.
chrome viper
obviously it would be better if they could fix the out-of-bounds issue, but since they haven't done it yet I think that cooldowns could be a nice fix, even if temporal
And regarding the return timer, since they haven't added an indicator, bigger maps and rooms with structures in the foreground are also an issue since you just can't see where they are. Lava is also a big issue considering Heightened Security is a thing
prime knoll
Aye. I haven't personally encountered a lava spot where I had to take damage, but it's certainly not fun hunting behind rocks and whatnot (among the lava) to find your cast.
dense locust
Has anyone noticed how one of the bloodstones will have a sort of yellow ring rotating around the center of it while others don’t?
When they are on the battlefield
chrome viper
that's their return timer
dense locust
Also I’m curious how the decision to keep a certain cast for boiling blood affects your decision to choose a certain cast or not
So if it has a yellow halo around the center what does that mean exactly? Or is there a number I never noticed
I feel like privileged status gets all the love but sometimes keeping the unmodified cast can be better than going for an unupgraded trippy shot
digital axle
Im going to be very amused if Sisyphus' friend ever speaks to us
dense locust
I think he might be too stoned to talk
inner heath
Still one of my favorite builds. Didn't find Heart Rend, Pressure Points, Clean Kill, or Hunter's Mark, but that's still pretty solid
One day I'll get the perfect Artemis cast build
stiff stone
And AGAIN it ends my run.. https://imgur.com/a/tgBkZmM
chrome viper
would be a nice choice if you weren't doing 32 heat
stiff stone
myea.. not on the poseidon sword
where most of my damage comes via my cast
or.. was in that case
chrome viper
eh, at least you'd be able to regen some HP since you're missing most of it in that pic
but definitely not with 32 heat
stiff stone
no, not in 32, spear men were hitting for 32/hit..
so.. they would 2 shot me with cursed slash lol
stiff stone
or an Asterius charge, pooof 70hp
i'll just keep trying I suppose
you got any tips?
chrome viper
I assume you were trying to get a True Shot build since you got a bunch of Artemis boons in that pic
You should aim for a specific build instead of running No Choice and hoping for the best, especially for a cast build
even more so in 32 heat runs
opal bay
No choice is no good beyond heat 16
prime knoll
No choice is no good beyond heat 16
chrome viper
No choice is no good beyond heat 16
obtuse tapir
Imo no choice shouldn't exist
opal bay
Realistically speaking, no choice sucks, period.
obtuse tapir
too much against the fun philosophy of a roguelike
opal bay
But also it's possible to run it at lower heat.
obtuse tapir
it's not something that can be balanced with the amount of heat
dense locust
@inner heath had a very similar artemis cast build with flurry cast and its basically a machine gun, but I ended up losing because the damage output just wasn’t high enough and I didn’t have a call or very good defense
opal bay
But it still sucks
prime knoll
I've been experiencing frequent hitching in the game for about a week, and it is ruining gameplay. 😬 Has anyone else come across that before in Hades?
dense locust
@stiff stone it’s why I never put a second point into no choice
chrome viper
I never use it unless I'm completely bored and want to do a no heat run
inner heath
I love that build, Strong. It's just a boss killer. But it's easy to get mobbed down with it, especially on the attack speed+movement + more enemies heats
chrome geyser
hitching?
inner heath
And I never use no choices unless I'm doing just a no choices run for farming darkness in a "fun" way.
And you do really need the dual shot or clean kill to get that damage output, Strong. Fortunately, I had dual shot + exit wounds, which with 3 more casts was good enough
And Chaos
dense locust
For 32 heat I don’t like to touch lasting consequences, budget cuts or tight deadline
And it allows for just 1 in no choice I believe
prime knoll
@chrome geyser I'm going to take it to the tech support channel, but yeah. Just out of the blue, the game slows down for a couple frames sometimes (but the game itself is still going, so enemies can hit me and whatnot)
chrome viper
tight deadline is free heat, at least the first rank
dense locust
Yeah that’s true
chrome geyser
What is a doable 32 heat btw; i think im gonna shoot for the last statue. (I can do +40% but rather do +20%)
dense locust
But sometimes I can win but only if I really take my time
chrome viper
second rank is debatable because of Elysium
chrome geyser
I do get framerate drops due to particles; but the game is still responsive.-
dense locust
And with none in lasting consequences, sisy’s companion is essentially free death defiance
@inner heath had dual shot but no clean kill or heart rend, no privileged status (or at least a difficult one to apply) and no call
The game has only lost frames for me during the third phase of hydra
And it pretty consistently does that
With like a dozen skeletons and 6 total hydra heads spewing bumble gum waves
I just like not having a time limit and find I can deal with most of the other heats
chrome viper
I only lose frames in Elysium, but it goes back to normal when I get to the Champions' boss battle
dense locust
I don’t like to feel forced to play too aggressively when I feel like I need to take my time in order to not take damage
opal bay
Thankfully my frames all are okay during every fight.
Mean you can do 32 heat run with the shield somehow.
dense locust
I’ve only successfully done it with rail
Elysium usually ends most of my attempts with other weapons
Or wrecks me to the point I have no chance at the final boss or even Styx
prime knoll
I feel like GY has kind of an edge if you don't use tight deadline because you get the free heat from lasting consequences
I can't say that for 32 heat firsthand, though- just gives 4 heat and allows you to play safer
ripe parrot
On a streak of 3 miraculously
Got the "Swimming in money" victory line too
And got back to the House to hear a new Orpheus song heck yeah
oblique tusk
woven hill
Heck yeah!
The satyr miniboss in Styx managed to take like 3 death defiances so I was holding on to dear life
But honestly Quick Spin + Massive Spin made this build, everything else was extra.
naive tusk
How dare you say your lv2 Heroic Deadly Strike was an extra?
turbid needle
Shield ftw
woven hill
Tbf it was a full main attack build so Deadly Strike was killer
Wish I got the marked boon for it
waxen junco
I have two questions. Does Refreshing Nectar (from ||Eurydice||) upgrade the rarity of only the next boon you take (upgrade 3 boons in a single menu) or does it make sure that the next 3 boons you receive will be upgraded (upgrades 3 entire menus)? The other question I have is if Chaos and Infernal gates count as "side content" in that they don't progress you towards the boss but are free rewards on top of what you'd normally get before a boss (similar to Infernal Troves) or do they bring you closer to the boss just as if you had moved onto the next room?
final warren
It upgrades three individual boons
waxen junco
So it's pretty much only useful if you really hate all the boons you've already gotten or you want to find a legendary?
final warren
It upgrades the rarity of the next 3 boons you pick up, so it will offer better boons. It depends on what your build is really. Sometimes you want to get some good stuff to complete the build or you are just having a rough RNG run and want to take it to get a better chance at better boons
waxen junco
I also wonder if it can actually increases the chance that you find a legendary. I guess that would depend on if it rolls rarity first or boon first, because legendaries don't have upgrade paths if it rolls the boon and then the rarity it wouldn't increase the chances.
final warren
Not sure how the math in terms of legendaries works.
There are people on here who have done extensive diving on boon chances, rarity, etc.
waxen junco
I also wonder how Duos fit in there.
turbid needle
@waxen junco Chaos and Erebus gates count towards progression for the boss. The only exception is if you find a chaos gate immediately before you enter the pre-boss room: the game makes sure you always have a chance to shop or pick one extra reward before the boss so it will spawn one more room after chaos.
waxen junco
Thanks.
I really like Chaos but I that will probably affect the amount of times I spend 40g on one now that I know they actually supplant the other rewards.
turbid needle
Early chaos can be a game changer, especially if they have a big bonus to obols or boon rarity as a reward.
Especially in late game, they are much more useful than a darkness/gemstones/key room
waxen junco
I think one run I had three different Chaos boons that increased dash strike damage, that was pretty fun to play with.
Also +2 bloodstones in a cast build.
How does the math of multiple boons affecting a skill work? Is it additive or multiplicative? Because if it is only additive then Ares boon that increases the damage of your attack, special, and cast seems pretty bad because it is such a small amount, but if it is multiplicative then it seems decent.
turbid needle
Pretty much everything is additive. I think heart rend is the only exception.
waxen junco
Does that mean dodge is additive too? Because I was looking at it yesterday and it seems like with Keepsake, Dodge Boon, and Dodge and MS after Call boon it would be pretty easy to get 100% dodge.
balmy zephyr
It seems that although bosses can't be knocked back things that happens because of knockback do trigger for instance sea storm appears to trigger vs bosses even though it's not being knocked back. I'm I correct about that
waxen junco
There is a Poseidon boon that makes your knockback effects do more damage to bosses specifically, so I would think so.
balmy zephyr
Ya at first I assumed that was a way to enable those effects to do dmg to bosses
west crag
Hi there, can someone tell me what to look out for when fishing? I have no clue what to look for when I do that. Sometimes the plunger goes under and I get a fish and other times it tells me it's too early. Is it just bugged, is there a prompt?
snow walrus
When it goes all the way under, and the little ripples around it turn white.
rancid shore
The clearest prompt is a white vertical flash extending from where the bobber goes down
You have under a second to get a fish when that shines
west crag
Ah I see, so that's why it's failed so often 😂
Thanks for the info, time to look for some fish 🙂
jagged cairn
I just killed the last boss so fast, there was no invincibility on the last part
I don't even know what happened. I just instantly knocked him down to like 25% health
earnest ravine
Unhealhy Fixation and Divine Dash. There's a weird calculation thing that goes on with charmed deflects.
Don't know exactly how or the reason why it does that, but it's definitely a thing.
jagged cairn
Ah, well that explains it. lol
naive tusk
Welcome to the club 
naive tusk
Yay, trying out new horizons~
lament coral
only a week left until the patch
naive tusk
It's Zepp the man!
woven hill
Gratz!
Just took the old man down myself using the Hera aspect for the first time. Nothing synergized too much but I had enough to work with.
scarlet urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/684142232810553432/unknown.png
Than has become one with the wall.
I wonder if it'll affect his movement...
I wasn't even standing that close to the wall...
It just looks kind off funny to haveh im only slightly stick out from there.
still gate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444911071455608843/684145617181999172/unknown.png
Man what a run
"Hold E to unleash death"
fresh grove
LOL i started fishing before the doors outside were opened, and as i catched the fish, it sent me through the door
jagged cairn
Just obliterated the boss with my special.
Didn't even use a DD there thanks to all the Athena boons
naive tusk
Athena your best shield 🛡
jagged cairn
Yeah, that's only the 2nd time I've got her legendary.
This run was all Goddesses +Hermes/Chaos
naive tusk
It looks so much fun with all the special damage you were blasting away 🤩
primal cape
how do you make the most use out of zeus shield?
sacred idol
mmm
you can throw it just right to sit on an immobile/barely mobile enemy
sit and rake in DPS
but more commonly, you return it in a way that lets you constantly kite it around, blending enemies in your path
or just quick throw and recall like a yo-yo
the last one especially with explosive return
Fun fact - the internal cooldown imposed to nerf Zeus Special with things like the Chiron aspect (because it used to be broken?) is 0.3 seconds. The tick rate of Zeus shield is 0.3 seconds.
So, guaranteed 100% bolt uptime on zeus shield, have fun
just straight up doing ~70+ damage per tick before privileged status, combined bolt and disc damage.
turbid needle
There is almost no delay between catching it and throwing it again, so you can mash the Special button and use it rapid-fire-like.
sacred idol
pair with a Demeter boon for Cold Fusion, Poseidon for Sea Storm, or Dionysus shot for Scintillating Feast (slows enemies so they get stuck in the fog, then you throw the disc at the fog, and everything gets blasted by lightning)
turbid needle
It's especially nasty with Exploding Return.
sacred idol
Aphro/Artemis can also make decent use of special, I think. 30 is not low raw damage
and artemis crits are nasty with that tick rate
but I think Zeus special, Demeter attack, Dio shot is a great triple build - ice wine, scintillating feast, chill, jolted, mountains of DPS
if you get nasty dash as well with black out, you may as well just coast to victory.
supercharged poison/jolted/chill, slow, and your main disc is still shredding for 45 damage per tick (I'm not sure if black out applies damage bonus to only Hangover or universally, though?) and another 40+ on lightning
sacred idol
@sick dome F10
naive tusk
I haven’t used Poseidon Special with Zeus aspect yet because the knockback would keep them away from the shield 😅
I can guarantee that Artemis Special on it can be deadly
turbid needle
Yeah, I would never use Poseidon.
Zeus, Artemis, Demeter, and Dionysus are my favorite.
sacred idol
I wouldn't put Poseidon on the special
But on the attack is fine
boop them into the shield, not away
or the dash
young oriole
hi guys, thinking of buying this game, hows the replayability?
turbid needle
Extremely high.
naive tusk
The replayability is nutz
turbid needle
500 hour game, easy.
grand patrol
ive played hades more than any game in my life
sacred idol
yes
but it's a roguelite, it's designed around being replayable
has like thousands of lines of dialogue already?
unkempt pagoda
games of this genre are built around being replayable
young oriole
whats better in your experience?
unkempt pagoda
i've only ever played with KBM so i can't really say
young oriole
ok
rancid shore
if you've ever played Bastion, both kbm and controller handle pretty similarly (imo) to that
sacred idol
Key difference: No moving while attacking
I believe it was at least possible in Bastion
rancid shore
I just replayed it, but I can't remember. I think some weapons more than others?
sacred idol
and the Mortar-analogue now has manual aim with the mouse, which is A+++ if you use the rail
Fire Bellows 100%
I think with an upgrade or something?
or was it that the upgrade disabled it to buff the thing.
ah yes, both
rancid shore
One side was movement speed; another was no movement
sacred idol
upgrade removed it
rancid shore
Speaking of Bastion, I wish some of the idols would replace some of the heat options
sacred idol
If I remember right, the ranged weapons other than Mortar or something had that option
oh yeah, hard same
rancid shore
Like the regnerating one could be interesting
rapid holly
hmmm pretty good haul for tartarus https://imgur.com/gmw84dE
sacred idol
I actually like the Chaos firebomb being like Acobi's curse
Pyth was just less broken than Forced Overtime.
I think because he didn't overscale and desync animations
also the lack of emphasis on big chunky boss fights that do buttloads of damage.
rancid shore
It helps that each encounter is planned
sacred idol
Hense: Hard Labor
Acobi: Chaos version, ish
Lemaign: Actually a neat option, I'd prefer it over some of the Heats (slowed when taking damage)
Pyth: Forced Overtime, but it's super broken here
Jevel: Baked into game as base mechanic. Still kinda unbalanced like in Bastion. Armor OP, pls... rework?
Yudrig: I'm not sure we have contact damage, but it'd be hellish to add it.
Roathus: Abilities aren't on tonic counter anymore...
Micia: Actually would be interesting, regen over time would be a bit less busted than some options.
Olak: 
(please no random dodge chance for enemies)
Garmuth: also kind of (same thing with deflect... you really don't want Hades yeeting back your critbombs)
rofl, the cells mechanic is also just 1:1 the elysium dudes
rancid shore
Deflect in Bastion wasn't auto-aimed back like it is in Hades, right?
strange bay
I think there's some amount of autoaim but it's not perfect?
sacred idol
but it hurt like absolute hell getting self calamity'd
strange bay
i've noticed bullets that really shouldn't have been returned getting returned
but if you reflect a splitter's shots after they split they just go wherever
sacred idol
the Concentration limiter feels like the hell mode heat
responsibility is the same kind of special hell that budget cuts represents
priority is mechanically irrelevant, but maybe a heat to nerf your death defiances?
since Priority was mechanically "nerf your revives"
Permanence = reverse form of Customs
rancid shore
I had a really good time replaying both Bastion and Transistor and seeing which elements they retained for Hades
sacred idol
hah yeah, that's a neat idea
seeing the elysium warriors basically pop out Cells is funny
rancid shore
those blue crystal thingies are basically just radius cheerleaders
sacred idol
especially when they have armor
and it's like "ah, someone left the damn limiter on again"
rancid shore
Can't wait for them to take the bellows and use it as the new weapon
young oriole
guys, what happen when u die? did you start over with nothing? does the game have a "final" boss?
small gorge
you know this game called battle out of hell right? and its just an early access
they are still building the end of the game
but yeah you just keep coming back slay death comeback
slay win death comeback with more heat to upgrade and get to know all the story and the relationship of Zag
young oriole
ok thanks
small gorge
Supergiant's game is not just about gameplay its more about the story line
the more you play
the more you know
hybrid galleon
the more you know plays
rapid holly
blessed run https://imgur.com/dIHquJ7
dense locust
Yay I get to come back into the middle of last nights ares cast run where I got hunting blades middle of first biome, got dual shot, and then common flurry cast :(, black metal, engulfing vortex, hunters mark, heart rend, and vicious cycle. aphro dash and artemis special to activate hunters mark. Cast builds are so fun
Buying hermes in styx gives me epic greatest reflex or greater recall. I feel like 100% greatest reflex right?
since its styx, and all I really care about is the FB, which is a small level
chrome geyser
What is greatest reflex? Dodge chance? Or recover chance?
chrome geyser
If you are on cast build i would take recall.
dense locust
idk though
3 dashes and i can avoid a lot of damage
and also just run in to grab em
i also can posiedon call into them
chrome geyser
Multiple dashes are not so useful for me; i feel like the last few dashes are short
dense locust
see I have the exact opposite opinion
chrome geyser
If you ask me i would get recall; since hunting blades scatters casts everywhere.
dense locust
Especially for the FB, the iframes from dashing are invaluable
chrome geyser
But you do you
chrome geyser
I find the movespeed after dash helps me dodge him the most.
Since i see circle i run away
dense locust
so i think it'll be okay
dense locust
With 5 dashes you can kind of just spam through it and he'll miss ya
chrome geyser
hope you show FB who is the boss
I feel like if i dash into it I always get hit; on forced overtime.
I just lost a hera cast run with that actually; had no time to dodge; and was one cast away from killing FB; and had to dash into his spin and got murdered.
Heat is HARD
small gorge
if boss cant be push back poseidon zeus duo boon, rapture debuff cant be used?
chrome geyser
No they get ruptured still
They just don't move
or have like 5% of the knockback or something. Cause you can get them to inch a little bit with things like rail or chiron volley.
dense locust
Lol since it's the last free boon when you get the satyr sack, between sweet nectar, epic dying lament, and common broken resolve, the broken resolve is so much better than the other two
For the run im doing
small gorge
dont move means no lightning strike
chrome geyser
No they still get struck
small gorge
oh
chrome geyser
The on-knockback effects work
small gorge
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
chrome geyser
they just don't get displaced
small gorge
The "Knock back" work they just dont got Knocked
OK gameeeeeeeeeeeeee
never want to try that combo
now its time to bring my hera back to the game
chrome geyser
And rupture in this game is not like dota. They receive the DoT; but it is not proportional to their movement. So they will take damage.
dense locust
@chrome geyser If you get a chance, give 5 dashes another chance. It gives you amazing positioning and the ability to just straight up iframe through a lot of attacks
chrome geyser
Oh i usually take it when offered.
chrome geyser
My priority from hermes is usually ms after dash > multiple dash > movespeed > dodge > recover after dodge
I don't use calls that often. I should
dense locust
If i dont get the dashes though, ms is definitely the priority
chrome geyser
That's why i never take second wind.
dense locust
with this ares cast build, my call comes up like every 6 seconds
Try using athena call on a high dps build like crit sword build or something
second wind
chrome geyser
Athena call makes sense; since you can still attack
dense locust
if the call is leveled a bit, you can call for 3 seconds of invul, wreck, and then have 45% dodge and ms for 15 seconds
its so tanky
chrome geyser
I just had it in my failed hera run. Did save me a bit. But could not do hermes at styx; since i needed athena DD boons.
Is it active during the call; or after the call ends.
dense locust
Hmm not sure
Id imagine active during
due to the wording
the use of call happens and then the effect
that would be worse for the invul calls though, especially ares
Hmm is ares call really good with an ares cast build?
it gains all of the buffs?
small gorge
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dense locust
does it home in ?
small gorge
Vicious Cycleeeeeeeeee
dense locust
yeah i have it
damn i wish i had the call now
I have virtually every boon for ares cast
except the call nooooo
Time to give up
For the last 5 seconds of the call you'd be doing like hundreds a tick
chrome geyser
I once had a blade rift run without the cast.
Dash and call.
Was actually super fun.
chrome geyser
Dash blade rifts get stupid powerful with the good rarity 3 upgrades.
But kinda hard to make it happen.
Try not to get any doom boons if you are trying for it.
dense locust
The dash with the ares cast is overkill imo because the dash is nice for keeping up privileged
chrome geyser
Cause the synergy boons will eat up slots.
chrome geyser
I am not as strong defender of privilege anymore
dense locust
I've never been fanatical about it
dense locust
and i think boiling blood blood doesn't get enough attention
small gorge
you know that i used to have 7 cast, Hunting Blades, wider rift, double cast, return cast, 80% cast, Poseidon max out, Vicious Cycle.
dense locust
or whatever its called
chrome geyser
I think the reason BB does not get as much attention is it works only on attack and special
Not every damage.
chrome geyser
It's not as generic as privilege; which extends to casts and other damage sources.
dense locust
oh it does? i guess i never looked closely enough, I thought the tooltip just said damage
But i've sometimes kept no cast over some other cast that doesnt get stuck because I was all attack or special
chrome geyser
Oh nice. @small gorge did you get ares legendary?
@dense locust yeah that is a very valid strategy
small gorge
Vicious cycle yes i had
chrome geyser
And do not get cast drop time reducers.
dense locust
Isn't the rarity of the ares cast kind of a moot point when you have viscious cycle?
vicious
chrome geyser
Vicius cycle + hunting blades + final boss = 
dense locust
or the level at least
small gorge
as i said Smoothie hades
chrome geyser
The 'pulls foes in' works great on dash and call rifts; since you don't have hunting blades.
dense locust
I mean starting at a higher base damage is obviously better
The 80% move speed on blades as well
chrome geyser
And the dash rift is helped a ton by increasing the radius.
dense locust
Those suckers will always be hitting
chrome geyser
I wanna try that build again
dense locust
Do the dash blade rifts home in?
small gorge
yes but always try to dodge that
chrome geyser
No they are stable
small gorge
that why im dodging to choose it
dense locust
Ah yeah and they don't last very long, although the boon that increases the time helps a lot for those
chrome geyser
I usually will take athena on attack with spear and sword for example.
small gorge
you know the 6 dash build?
chrome geyser
And if i have those; i'm more comfy with an offensive attack.
dense locust
How do you get the 6th dash? Is that heroic level hermes?
small gorge
2 based + 4 hermes
dense locust
Upgrade it at whats her face
small gorge
?
dense locust
I think I've only ever been offered epic level from hermes which is +3 dashes
but I kinda remember getting 6 now that you say that
small gorge
got its by eury
chrome geyser
Base is +1, rare is +2 and epic is +3
dense locust
And heroic would be 4
small gorge
she upgraded for me
chrome geyser
I got heroic flurry cast; which was 98% faster cast
dense locust
ah yeah that combo is very hard
chrome geyser
Which did not feel any different than the 80%
dense locust
So the special also moves faster
small gorge
the only thing we need is rapid cast
small gorge
the speed doesnt matter at all
dense locust
and then flurry cast is the same all across the board?
chrome geyser
Unrelated but I would really suggest everyone to grab the faster special on zeus aspect of shield. Makes the shield move much faster.
dense locust
What Im trying to say is, does the percentage on flurry cast refer to the speed at which the special moves, the speed at which your rapily release bloodstones, or both?
Because when I've had flurry cast on ares cast, the blade rifts seem to move much faster
small gorge
yes it is
dense locust
So the percentage doesn't increase the rate at which holding down the cast button releases blood stones
dense locust
Right the rapid cast is a flat value across all rarities
or is that also increased
it doesn't improve with rarity
small gorge
i think if the cast moving speed increased and you get rapid cast, the faster that cast move the faster you cast
So about the dash rift build, when you got that build you dont need the hunting blade when you can dash 6 blade right into the boss
and with the athena aid you dont need to dodge
got it once
dense locust
Right because it stays up 100%
small gorge
like a long time ago
dense locust
Im doing a ares cast build similar to yours, minus the +4casts, with poseidon call
and call is still up almost the entire time
with 5 dashes, its easy to do enough damage without getting hurt before the next call comes up
small gorge
when you got the cast return what you need to do is only cast dash cast dash
easy damage
dense locust
then the call i just a constant panic button
true
to be honest
he melts so fast either way that it doesnt really matter lol
small gorge
i got the nearly perfect run with that
nearly perfect
dun have Vicious Cycle unfortunate
dense locust
Oh i meant the run i was just doinjg
small gorge
oh yeah
dense locust
I think if i had ares cast
it would have been slightly longer than the sum total of his invul bits
sorry
call
I honestly should have avoided the hammers this run
They were absolutely useless
poseidon aspect for sword
oops
stiff stone
You can’t, they haunt you
And ultimately limit your gold laurel choices by constantly popping up
Unless there’s some way I don’t know of having them not show up
pulsar loom
Are Dusa's assisting attacks supposed to damage Zag? I didn't notice during gameplay if they did or not, however after defeating the first boss, I died during the freeze-state. When control and visuals returned I saw a big red -70 next to my head. I wanted to check before posting this as a bug
dense locust
No they aren't
Is it possible that there was an enemy close by that triggered the -70?
Or that an enemy coincidentally hit you for 70
The bug with the chaos boons that temporarily reduce max hp is pretty annoying
where they reduce max hp and then damage you for the same amount
I wonder if it kills you if you have guan yu
chrome geyser
Oh peeps
When you get deflect on special on the rail; and you have the rocket hammer upgrade
The radius of deflection is centered on the rocket; but is the same as the initial bombardment radius
You are wellcome for this PSA
(Also; heroic athena flourish and epic aphrodite flourish give the same damage boost)
dense locust
wow that must lead to some fun
The difference between 1 level of Forced Over time and 2 levels on the spearmen is insane
small gorge
madness foe combo? chaos infernal boom and Skullomat
dense locust
chain shot dual shot is pretty neat on the bow
chrome geyser
@dense locust well also check out greatshields; gorgon and skullcrusher; FB; vermin.
Infernal boon? Skullomat?
dense locust
Yeah true
I just havent done 1 level in a while and I haven't encountered most of those
in this run yet
i guess gorgon and skyll crusher
I hate that mini boss when its upgraded
small gorge
need neft
skullcrusher hitbox is too large
and its deal lots of damage
always lost 1 dd
when encounter
dense locust
And you have to dodge the initial hit, the shockwave, the dusa orbs, and the fireball traps
And they are shielded so you cant stun lock them at first
small gorge
everyone talked about their OP all the time but its seem like Supergiant doesnt want to neft them
so
yeah
lets just pretend its unlucky when we meet them
dense locust
I think its a fun feature
They dont happen all the time but when things line up, its gratifying
And sometimes you find that other builds you are forced into can work surprisingly well
I think its part of why this game hasn't gotten stale for me after hundreds of hours
small gorge
yeah after all this is the fun part of being a early access player
dense locust
One thing I really overlooked about chain shot is how you can essentially shoot through walls
You can just stand behind cover and start attacking someone on the other side by just shooting the cover
opal bay
I think they will only ever nerf stuff if it's like insanely overpowered to point you don't have to think much in heat runs.
All weapons feel pretty powerful the way they are and they get insanely overpowered if you know the good match up and not on the high heat.
dense locust
I think its fine as it is but they need to rework some of the heats to keep increasing difficulty in a way that makes sense and also still rewards the player
like 21 -31 heat feels pointless
and 33-34+ heat forces you to dip into the heats that are disproportionately difficult to what they add
By design its bound to get easier on lower heats as you upgrade everything
Ahh yeah curse of pain and impending doom with aspect of chaos shield within the first 6 chambers
small gorge
mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn just lost a hera build
awh so saddddddddddddddd
after all this is just a running build not bosses builddddd
poseidon cast
10 heat
damage on bosses reallyyyy bad
dense locust
Yeah its the sad truth about poseidon that most builds with him just suck
his call isnt bad damage though
and my fastest run was a poseidon zeus eris build
It gives you a false sense of confidence when you wipe every room in styx in seconds
dense locust
Ahhh I hate when i have to decide between hammer and chaos
small gorge
hera doesnt work with it
last nacelle
Poseidon is the only one who has the potential to apply status privilege with one attack.
dense locust
If you get poseidon attack on rail and bunch of the relative boons, every attack that knocks back also lightning bolts, on top of the chance to double bolts, and all bolts also casting an extra lightning thing
Its a hard choice because its likely that the hammer comes back but that chaos will be lost
I guess a bad chaos is worse than a bad hammer
small gorge
yeah
dense locust
i thought you meant you were in a chaos room
are they max level?
Im doing chaos right now and I got the doom special and impending doom right away
so everything is always doomed for extra doom damage. Just went with the hammer and got bull rush charges faster
small gorge
doom special? you really need a deflect atk
dense locust
Everything is melting so far
Bosses will be tedious because doom falls off
but im hoping to up my trippy shot
We'll see, if athena offers her dash to replace aphrodites, i won't say no. Maybe I can get her call
But to answer your question, id go with chaos shield if its level 4 or 5
chrome geyser
Hey i can join in that
I decided to roll along with whatever god was offered; instead of trying to force cookie cutter builds.
This came together; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2012724045
I was doing 500 doom damage per activation.
Was a pretty fun game
dense locust
LOL thats exactly the build im going for now
dense locust
I got flurry cast for the tripp shot because the other options were garbage
small gorge
then its gonna deal 1k doom daamfge
chrome geyser
Drop fogs; bull rush in; special dash special dash. I can get in around 3000 damage before fog runs out.
dense locust
but ive got aphrodite on dash and dinonysus on attack so i just dash attack through when its safe, keep doom up, and bomb them when it will hit
chrome geyser
So it looks like impending doom increases damage by 10% per pom; while after the 2nd pom (160) curse of pain increases by 10 damage.
So after a while pom up the impending doom for more returns.
small gorge
https://imgur.com/a/8sBttkJ
too soon lol
chrome geyser
Flurry cast with trippy shot for blackout is not good; because you will cast them at the same spot
With blackout; i drop them in a triangle to cover more area for D E A T H A N D D E S T R U C T I O N
@small gorge you won the game.
small gorge
lul
chrome geyser
BTW if you get rid of the attack boon; sea storm i think works with the natural knockback of the shield bash.
But you can't get the double-strike; but no knockback upgrade after that.
chrome geyser
From now on your duty is to collect ALL the poseidon boons.
Actually if you see dionysus take him; maybe on dash.
Cause their duo is amazing.
Also demeter for upgrading poseidon cast.
Why is zeus-poseidon-demeter-dionysus the best quadruple in the game?
small gorge
lul i know gonna try
naive tusk
Probably because Zeus has duo boons with pretty much anyone except Aphrodite 😁
chrome geyser
zeus with artemis, athena and demeter are not as good as the other ones though.
I like cold fusion; but it becomes unneccessary in most cases.
Since there are so many lightning effects.
Artemis duo is ok damage; but you always want to pick your casts back up usually.
naive tusk
Oh, but you can still get Cold Fusion in that quadruple you mentioned
dense locust
Doesnt AAAA all have duos with eachother or something
chrome geyser
Yes. But demeter gives awesome upgrades to dionysus or poseidon cast
chrome geyser
Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena, Ares?
naive tusk
They all do have duo boons, nice observation 😮
dense locust
Yeah
chrome geyser
Aphrodite-Artemis: Heart rend
Aphrodite-Athena: Slow down projectiles
Aphrodite-Ares: Useless privilege enabler
Artemis-Athena: Deadly reversal
Artemis-Ares: Hunting Blades
Athena-Ares: Merciful End
dense locust
So if you get those 4 you can get massive duos. I never actually looked into it
Not that massive duos is good
chrome geyser
You would need; hmm. Ares cast, ares attack or special; and then one of each on the remaining 3 slots.
dense locust
Was just fighting miss mmrrrrder and I flurry casted 3 trippy shots at her right as she turned invul and shrunk the stage and they were lost until she died
naive tusk
They didn’t return to you?
chrome geyser
Out of those 6; heart rend is the most powerful. Merciful end is situationaly insane. Hunting blades is fun. Deadly reversal is ok. Slow projectiles are also ok; usually not very helpful. And curse of longing is awful. Good sale boon though.
dense locust
I might have killed her before the return timer ended but it was a pretty long time
chrome geyser
@dense locust usually you receive the casts.
dense locust
I tried to see if I could see them and they werent there
but it was probably just the timer was longer than it took me to finish her
I hate when the level shrinks and you can see a gold urn on the outside of it
just taunting you
chrome geyser
I mean when the stage shrinks; if i have festive fogs around usually they are back in my inventory; ready to cast
dense locust
Yeah they didnt return
naive tusk
I gave some feedback about that and everyone agreed 😂
dense locust
It could have just been within a very specific timing
chrome geyser
I guess time to F10
dense locust
like there were mid air as the stage shrunk
Yeah I almost would rather not because the circumstance is so specific
I think they have to be mid air as the stage change happens
Actually I still dont have my casts even though shes dead
dense locust
wow
rapid holly
late on this but if i get +2 dashes or more i feel i won. it makes dodging everything hades can do super easy
dense locust
No i was submitting a report
was gonna wait a little bit to see if theyd return
Yeah they were permanently gone for the rest of the boss fight
but returned in the next room
small gorge
something weird just happen
my shield charge
and the bull still hit me with his charge
dense locust
It could be he hit you at an angle that isnt covered by the shield
but since its hard to tell exactly how big of an area his charge attack covers, it could look whack
I love getting a chaos boon with the penalty being you can't see the next 4 rooms but it doesn't affect you at all (PS, you can go up to a hidden room and if its unalterable, its either a shop or the special room with the exclamation mark (only works if you have any rerolls))
small gorge
wait for the ending scene of my run
dense locust
wow im doing chaos shield with the doom on special like i mentioned earlier, and I got trippy shot, flurry cast, and a 55% increase to cast damage, and my triple trippy took the hydra from the end of 2nd phase to death
things are doing about 500 a cast
small gorge
lul
hollow minnow
I feel really stuck--how on earth are you supposed to complete this "quest" with Dusa?? Fix the lounge?! I've purchased almost everything. is something supposed to change? I just have the orb and the secret passage left, but both of those are a hefty price of diamonds. 😦
small gorge
https://imgur.com/rfWBL3g
family abuse
@hollow minnow got same but i think its just the time matter
just buy most thing and wait
@dense locust look at that family abusing lul
dense locust
I assume doom can crit if you have pressure appoints
Nice dude, I love zeus poseidon
i like how you have 4 uses of companion still
always a sign of a good run
hollow minnow
also you can get a stuffed toy summon from Dusa??? I've never been able to figure that out! Do you have to complete her quest first?? I'm confused.
dense locust
@hollow minnow I don't remember the specifics of how to unlock the next dusa dialogue but im pretty sure its online if you look for it
hollow minnow
hmm ok :/
dense locust
All I did was buy everything when I could and talk to everyone I could and eventually got it all
small gorge
as i said
its time matter
you buy like the things the lounge missing 2 carpet chair oven clean it
dense locust
After enough runs, as long as you talk to everyone inbetween runs with the exclamation marks above their heads, and give them nectar until you can't, it should eventually unlock the next phase of conversations
small gorge
then its only time mattẻ
dense locust
Make sure to pet cerberus, just cause
can doom damage crit?
if you have pressure points or hunters mark
hollow minnow
you have to give them nectar?? The updated fancy versions??
They're so much harder to get...
small gorge
got all ambrosia keep sake
hollow minnow
what?
dense locust
So nectar is the orange juice in a spherical based bottle
small gorge
pressure point can @dense locust 3% chance
dense locust
After you give enough of that to some of the characters, you can't make further progress with that character until you've done some other things, usually just talking enough times or buying something from the contractor
hollow minnow
i think i still have to talk to Death and Meg, with the ambrosia, but I was planning to save it to update Dusa's summon when I eventually got it, but are you saying I need to spend the ambrosia to even get to that point at all?
Hmmm. ok.
I'll poke around tomorrow...
dense locust
no
the first ambrosia you use will get a given characters companion
at least as far as i remember
but like I said, if you google this, you'll probably find a much more direct answer
Something along the lines of "speak with X when they have the exclamation mark above their head 20 times and then you can give ambrosia to them"
hollow minnow
Yes, that's what I was trying to talk about--Dusa's ambrosia prompt has never appeared for me. With Death and Meg, I got theirs from them with first bottle of ambrosia.
proud gust
im also having trouble ive done like 10 runs and all my peeps have a lock on their hearts am i just doing it wrong?
hollow minnow
👆
dense locust
No you get the companions very late
small gorge
guys guys guys
proud gust
im at 102
small gorge
dusa companion is a late ambrosia keep sake
hollow minnow
I'm at almost 300 runs...
hollow minnow
Yeah, I understand that.
dense locust
They come so late that it actually takes some getting used to actually using them
small gorge
got same issue
hollow minnow
Weird how they don't work with the final boss, though.
dense locust
Yeah the ones that don't I don't like very much
proud gust
idc about the in game use i just wanna continue talking to all the great characters
dense locust
Well if you get through all of their dialogue, it resets to before to spoke to them
essentially
dense locust
I can link to exactly what you need to get dusa if youd like
proud gust
yeah thanks for the hope
hollow minnow
I really need to get on here more. Everyone is so great. 
proud gust
can i get megs thats the one im gunning for
hollow minnow
That would be great StrongDong!!
dense locust
||"Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor. "||
Z
crap
hollow minnow
I'm going to bed now, though, I'm tired...See you all later!! So nice popping in here for a bit--again, I should probably do it more....😅 😅
proud gust
oh im really close to dusas
dense locust
straight from the wiki btw
hollow minnow
ohhhhhh.