#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 422

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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time to just lose to theseus

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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oh well if that the fate

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I guess

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this happens every time I try to build hunting blades

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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u have to accept the fate

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like me

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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trash boons, get offered gods like poseidon instead, over and over

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:01 PM

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never get athena leg boon

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cant finish athena prophecy

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u know the first time i got my 15m record is hunting blade

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8 cast

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double cast

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larger blade rift and damage

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300% damage on cast

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I literally just made myself die to Theseus just now.

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Screw this.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:03 PM

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cast return

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I wasted 26 minutes on this useless RNG

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At least I get the stupid autograph quest, and that's it

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:03 PM

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try something fun

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:04 PM

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oh that's nice. hypnos is missing

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:04 PM

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like dionysus build

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:04 PM

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so I can't get to talk about the autograph

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:05 PM

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another run incuming

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Dionysus on spear?

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Kind of useless...

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:06 PM

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@obtuse tapir ok so the item Charon offers at his well is Life Essence and it’s a very beautiful bottle squirtyay

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Still weird Zag would mention the 5 second rule when drinking from it

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Should I keep trying this cursed build until I finally get an Achilles Hunting Blades setup that isn't, you know, flaming garbage?

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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oh no dionysus on shield

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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not using shield.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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if u get his epic or leg hangover to lv 5

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anything will do

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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if I can't win with this aspect I wasted 15 blood on it

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screw that

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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onlyneed hangover

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hangover build with aphro duo boon

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:08 PM

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I know, I have too many shield runs, just not going to play it for a while

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:09 PM

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i had a run that i apply 12 stack hangover on hades

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and he died in no time

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lv6 heroic hangover

obtuse tapir Feb 28, 2020, 2:09 PM

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thanks for letting me know @naive tusk

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:09 PM

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so satisfied

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Now hangover only stacks up to 5 times, or 8 with Aphro/Dio Duo.

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Anytime friend squirtnya

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:10 PM

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oh sadddddd

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but still good damage tho

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Hey, you know what would make the spear spin a lot better?

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Not being able to be staggered out of the damn thing

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:11 PM

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the are 2 upgrade

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1 make it stronger and larger

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1 make it charged up faster

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:11 PM

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yeah, but if you don't have fast spin, it's just easy suicide

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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u dont need to max charged it

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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I think 90% of my spear builds have been special damage

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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the thing is

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u need to dash

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dash

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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and the first aspect

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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is the key

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Charging the spin is too slow

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if you're on double forced over time

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Spear in general feels really precise compared to the other weapons, which isn't a BAD thing but can be kinda finicky to handle.

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Hunter’s Mark is not to be underestimated with Hestia dusa

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2nmdpn3qsU I get it that the shield is a defensive weapon, but failing two tight deadlines in a row is kind of sad. I think I'll stick with the higher damage weapons

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earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Especially if stuff decides to jump out of your normal attack on 40% overtime but it was harder to aim with than I'd thought iit'd be on base, even

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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spear and bow is 2 things that hard to use in deadline heat

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Crit chains all day

obtuse tapir Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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I miss the times when the skewer return hammer upgrade was much more powerful

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Bow is EASY on deadline, what

obtuse tapir Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Currently it's not too weak but kinda not exciting

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Guan-yu special build met the deadline easy

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and attack build Zag bow wasn't too bad either

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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no its not u cant deal enough damage with bow if u dont get enough build early

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I mean, it is GY special

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Bow is either very easy or very hard

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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its easy with foe but not with boss

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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because its mobbing capability is the lowest unless you get your build.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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especially theseus

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Chiron can melt foes thanthink

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Yeah, with the right boons

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Chiron's damage made me sad, and Hera's "where be my crystals" made me sad, so I just use the Zag bow

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Even bosses

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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speak to chiron i missed zeus special build 😦

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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it's unfriendly to bad starts

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Base bow can destroy tartarus in like 7 minutes without any buffs to the attack if you get used to aiming it, tbh

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 PM

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12 lightning strike omg that feel so good

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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as i've, had to learn in practise

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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i can finish hydra and fury in no time

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Zag bow needs to dash attack a lot, if you don't have the instant attack hammer, because the dash attack charges a lot faster

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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You know what's really good for even mediocre starts... Hestia rail, I feel like

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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but theseus and the lv3 bosses when he got upgraded is another story

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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because the raw can carry you through early game

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Oh yeah. I wish I was better with Rail in general because I KNOW it's great.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:17 PM

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I'm only not-bad with the rail tbh

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and the no-brainest shield builds in the game

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:17 PM

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But the reload thing is easy to forget and I over focus on Hestia's empowered shot

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:17 PM

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And Hestia can use the regular attack and dash attack chaos boons

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:17 PM

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@hollow sorrel the 'cast crystals lost somewhere in the depths of hell' issue is the worst part of no hunting blades Ares cast, tbh

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:17 PM

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for me to finish this game we always need 2 debuff to power up out atk

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:18 PM

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it'd be so much less atrocious if you could find the damn things

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:18 PM

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also telling myself to run into AOEs for Eris is antithetical to everything I've learned so trying to get over that? wack

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:18 PM

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and if u need sometthing overpower

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try zeus aid

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lv it up

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The Zag bow isn't too bad, and you get to be excited about hammers.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:19 PM

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yeah

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Unlike the Chiron/Hera bows, where most of the hammers are like mehhhhh

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:19 PM

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if u play chiron

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and the hammer give u like +4 arrow

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omg

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lucky

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Chain Shot on Chiron is fun because then I get to play roulette on what enemy around a corner gets destroyed.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:20 PM

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I mean, I like charged volley on Chiron, but I bet it wouldn't work at all on high Forced Overtime

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:20 PM

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but I just like chain shot in general, so that's a bit of bias

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Better than you'd think, worse than you'd hope.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:21 PM

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no just +4 arrow on special no Charge the CHARGE special is the worst thing u could pick up

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:21 PM

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The homing makes taking down the fast jumping and dodging enemies super nice, even on forced overtime, but since the charge makes you get only one shot, you need a high damage special boon to make it work.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Nah, charge with artemis special does a ton of damage

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You get more than one shot, I believe?

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Just poor range

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Not with the slower charging one, if I remember right.

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The thing falls off mid charge

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:22 PM

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the chiron is no aim build when u need to faster to dodge

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the charge make u deal damage very slow

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Eh? Not really...

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:22 PM

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1 atk and i can get 4 special with hermes upgrade

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and what i build is

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:22 PM

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You have 3 normal specials worth of Chiron

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:23 PM

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opposite u mate

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my build is effect

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like zeus lightning strike

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or dionysus hangover

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or even charm

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so i as much special as possible

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@hollow sorrel What was your build on that shield run, anyway

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Ares... special?

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Looks like charm special, ares attack, demeter dash by the end?

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:26 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682956777255469132/unknown.png this is suffering

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:26 PM

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oh NO

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:26 PM

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oh no

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u need 1 more thing to this build

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the sword

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poseidon

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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GWvertiPeepoChrist

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also, bleh

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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give like 40% cast damage

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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well achilles is like 150% for two casts

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GWjiangoOmegaLUL

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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but u need to charged

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high risk

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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They were referring to the items dropped out of bounds in that screenshot I think

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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lower risk than the sword

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Not, build woes.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 PM

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also yes

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and I somehow wasted two bouldy charges already

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one of them was in an empty room, almost

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just because I tabbed and fatfingered 1

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You know what's super dumb, but funny? Achilles rush has no range limit that I can tell

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 2:29 PM

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@sacred idol Aphro special, Ares attack. I don't think I ever actually pick the Ares keepsake, but it's what the game gave me for the attack slot

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I've learned to pick what you get, because the game might just decide to not offer another attack for two biomes

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:29 PM

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trying to get goddamn hunting blades again

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:30 PM

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but with sword u dont need to charged to power up cast , u only need to cast run and cast and run build 1 deflect on special can give u tons of defend 😦

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:30 PM

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and learning that it's just such a painful build to intentionally seek

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:31 PM

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after all cast build is the late game build

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always need to play careful at first

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:33 PM

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ares cast without hunting blades: eeny meeny miney mo, I wonder where my cast will go- oop, it's in lava
ares cast with hunting blades: WILL IT BLEND? YES, IT BLENDS

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 2:33 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682958455476060190/unknown.png

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Was trying to get blackout.
Got absolutely everything else. xD Except blackout...

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:34 PM

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F

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it really do be like that sometimes

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:35 PM

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i want to try 1 special build forcus on aphro aid

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it deal 2k5 damage when its max

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so if i get athena 1 meter at first encounter zeus deal damage and take damage charge faster

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i think bosses isnt the mater anymore

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:37 PM

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The face when you kill Theseus before Asterius only because you wanted to apply Hunter’s Mark on Asterius dusa

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 2:38 PM

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I always kill Asterius first.... I'm not sure what even happens if you do it the other way around..

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:38 PM

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My attacks hit for 69 damage under Priv Status. I think Aphrodite likes this.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:38 PM

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if i get hangover build i will try to kill them both

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Nothing different except the camera will focus Asterius instead when you clear the chamber

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:39 PM

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About the same thing as normal, Luna, just Asterius is the one who mourns for the like 10 seconds he out... lives? Out exists? Er. Outlasts Thesus.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:39 PM

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hey anyone feel demeter legendary boon is op

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I normally kill them both at once and that makes the voice lines really freak out.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:40 PM

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it save my 16 heat run when i got 3 hp left when faced hades

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its*

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instant die is something always made my day

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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“At least we died together...” Theseus to Asterius

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Not OP, but pretty strong. It just shaves off 10% of the enemy's life if it's chilled, and some stuff does way more damage than that.

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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is it normal to have 0 chaos gates spawn in a run?

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Yup.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yes

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Yee

silver seal Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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every time i run chaos keepsake

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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but its weird when u get 10 boon in 5 chamber

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0 boon*

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I was gonna say wtf lol

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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no

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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god i wish

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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5 chamber is too little

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my last 0 boon is 10

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have to kill fury with only slashing sword

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and 250 hp

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I managed to somehow get a run to hydra with exactly one (1) boon and that was a very annoying time

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At least Elysium was generous but like, RNG why

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:43 PM

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i usually always see at least 1 chaos gate in a run

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that or i don't really pay attention

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but this run had 0 feelsbad

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Chaos have to do something else too u know

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lul

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:44 PM

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he just sits there and waits for you to come in

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:45 PM

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They have other things to address at the time

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let them live

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:46 PM

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hey anyone fishing in chaos realm yet?

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never seen one

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I have!

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Got a free Titan Blood out of it.

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:47 PM

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the only time i saw a fish in chaos

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i missed it

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:47 PM

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rip

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:47 PM

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oh no

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:47 PM

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doesn't really matter tbh, i got more than enough resources

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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saddess could happen

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Yeah, but the fish look cool, and isn't that the REAL point?

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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by missed it i mean didn't hear the ding till i exited the room

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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aspect of zag spear, with deadly flourish , exploding launcher, heart rend, and swift flourish is quite strong...

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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but still

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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cooler than a knuckle head

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:48 PM

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When going fast goes wrong

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@dense locust that was my first time beating hades lul

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same build

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I also have serrated edge, which is now kinda useless, and 110% to cast from chaos along with leveled up crush shot...

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the build is all over the place

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Just call it hybrid build and have fun with it :)

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:52 PM

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But if they dont have armor, they get stun locked by spears

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I love hybrid builds

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:53 PM

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used to but when its ? 12heat no more fun 😦

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:54 PM

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omg numbing sensation is so good

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Oooh, lucky you

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:54 PM

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lol this is 12 heat hell lol

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but the run keeps getting better

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Hybrid builds are fine at any level, just gotta be willing to fiddle with it.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:55 PM

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numbling sensation with Scintillating Feast perfect

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584484248069603340/682964188338847774/Safe__Deadly.png

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I was safe and dealing 2000 damage shots squirtnya

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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OOF

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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devine protectionnnnnnn

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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That Rare Crop really stuck gold for you, huh?

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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never get that

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😦

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Totally! Except I never used Demeter's Call 😅

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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How was the scaling on the call, too? Any fun?

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awww

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682964500017709126/unknown.png finally, jfc

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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:D

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Now the carnage can commence!

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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oh hell yeah i love getting big defense

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I started this run expecting it to suck and just go to bed but now I must complete it...

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:58 PM

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gud for u

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:58 PM

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zag aspect with swift flourish is so fast

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:58 PM

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want to hear sumthing sad

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Zag sword or?

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 2:59 PM

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got beaten recently by picking big chop

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he mention zag spear

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Just wish I had charged skewer instead of serrated edge; that's a good time

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with exploding launcer, its just constant 1k+ aoe crits

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Oh, you will have to tell me about it 😄

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@sacred idol will get even lucky if he have vicioú cycle

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I really want to try Zag spear or Achilles spear someday

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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lmao, I mean, the odds of THAT happening on this RNG is unlikely

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this is the goddamn elysium boss shop

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Achil aspect never be my choice

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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The Achilies spear is super fun! The damage boost from the special is cool, but its mobility is second to none, so it's my favourite aspect.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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haiz just lost a run by picking big chop unintentionally haiz

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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yeah I like achilles, just

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with a bad roll it's physically painful

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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that goes for all spears, to be fair

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They need a lot of help to get going unless your name is Guan Yu

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I’ve been told that Achiles spear can go either cast or attack builds

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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not really, zag can get good with like... one special boon and charged skewer or something

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Exploding launcher stuns so if the enemy has no armor, its a guarantee kill if your special is fast enough

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mini stuns

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i guess

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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my choice always nemesis big damage, always love it with instant doom build

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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True, spear is like, one of my slower weapons, though? So my experience is limited a bit.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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first max out too

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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oh. I did get vicious cycle. ok then

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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then goodbye mr hades

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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deadly reversal ok then

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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see u in next run

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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this build comes together at the last minute

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after wasting 24 minutes or so to get through SUPER DOUBLE SPAWN ELYSIUM

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

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as i said earlier

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

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You mean fun town

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

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this is late game build

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:07 PM

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this is my slowest 4 heat run ever

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:07 PM

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u got dual shot too @sacred idol

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:07 PM

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no

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my previous run, that failed miserably, had fully loaded and dual shot

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:07 PM

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awh still not percfection tho

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:08 PM

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My only perfect run was some disgustingly broken eris rail cluster bomb build

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:09 PM

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my perfection and fastest run is chiron lightning strike when pre neft

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oh men

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Zeus fury time

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I think it was ice wine with zeus attack, demeter special

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might have gotten scintillating as well?

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Ah, the wombo combo

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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lightning strike like 13 time or st

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:11 PM

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yup

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that meme duo stack

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unsure if I perfected it with cold fusion though

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:11 PM

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pre chironm neft he got 13 arrow on special and 120% mor arrow when it got hammer

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and u give it lightning strike heroic lv 5

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:12 PM

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rofl @ deadly reversal and achilles making hunting blades crit for 110

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:12 PM

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and upgrade damage

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like i said

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gubye hades

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see u in next run

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682968841382526976/unknown.png
Anyone have any tactics for winning from Than when all enemies are either wavemakers with armour. (Which you can never kill before he does.)
And skull crushers whom are also not particularly fast to kill.

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?

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Because ouch. Losing hurts . xD

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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be cheap, lava kills count as your kills, and make sure to run away from his AOE so the enemies follow when he casts them

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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With only Zeus special and shield... uuhh

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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also if you have any conniptions about kill stealing, drown them

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Usually if it looks like a bad Than room, I'll just run around and let him kill everything. Not going to risk taking damage when he's going to win anyway

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:18 PM

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hey hey hey look a one boon

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just like i said

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hahahâhahah

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ur atk is uselesssssss

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:18 PM

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If you have Jolted, just get close to them and spam special

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And also what Silvaria said

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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With zeus shield it's actually pretty easy but that's also My Friend and apparently trying to manipulate enemy dodges into your special is not exactly a thing that comes to mind first

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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OOHH If its Zeus aspect, you can totally nail it

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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with zeus shield i dont have any idea on build 1 specially on it

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Zeus aspect + Zeus Special = ❤️

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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its was like a blade rift to me

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so give it tons of damage will do

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o always use dionysus

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/MApu8xT

Imgur

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I'm not really experienced with Zeus aspect in all honesty. I just heard combined with special was good so I wanted to give it a try whilst I'm boon hunting anyways for the fated list.

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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It's really fun, but you can't play it like other shields.

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yess

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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It's kinda like having a second you on the field and you wanna maximise that.

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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You have to find the “pace”

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:21 PM

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play with zeus aspect is like another blade rift

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u want it deal huge damage when u running around

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682970796624183336/unknown.png
Heck yeh got the boon I was looking for!

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Now to try and figure this out so I actually live through this.

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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It’s a great trap for those skullcrushers too

earnest ravine Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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OOOH

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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finally

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Leave it spinning and just get on it

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:22 PM

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some good frickin' boons

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sad that you have to give up jolted that time tho

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I wish the extra lightning effect was just a second lightning bolt instead of this lightning ball that originates from zag

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Omg Luna is off to a fun run

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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ok yeah. lmao. hades melts

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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what does that ball even do? can it pierce?

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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OK so, how does everyone get such early legendaries? I never seem to get them to RNG for me (if ever) until styx?

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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still DD'd rip

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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you need to get the propper boons

dense locust Feb 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

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well first you need to make sure you have the pre reqs

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

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there are specific ones you need

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

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but hades took less than a minute and less time overall than the entire rest of my run lmao

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

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you can get legendaries even in Tartarus

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

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@final warren I've gone through at least 20 runs trying to find legendaries. xD

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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it's less about RNG and more about game knowledge

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I'm trying to complete the fated list... have been for a while now.

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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yeah ive gotten them all (except athena, i have wrecked a few runs with no reward because of the damn list), but they all seem to RNG for me in styx.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682971807359172629/unknown.png

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finally

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Dang.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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nice, ez win

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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@scarlet urchin 100 run but cant find devine protection

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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"ez win" if you don't count all the death defiances and the entire half hour I burned suffering from tartarus to the absolute last room of elysium

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:v

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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ez blend hades

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we got hades smoothie

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I got that build once with Hera

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that was... really fun

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and then REALLY boring against hades

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Ahh.. well. I guess I'll be searching for shield of light for a while then...

small gorge Feb 28, 2020, 3:28 PM

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we can call it hades smoothie build

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Now to be annoyed that Orpheus will not recognize my finally competent lyre playing

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:28 PM

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@stiff stone you say getting early high end boons is a gameplay thing and not RNG, mind explaining?

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:29 PM

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It's gameplay and RNG. weSmart

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:29 PM

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yes, depends on what you call high end, some legendary prereqs are not that good, like briliant riposte

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and sometimes I pick common boons over epics because they are legendary prereqs

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same for duo boons

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Duo / Legendary boon has a reasonably high chance to be offered (35% IIRC) if all the prerequisites are in place. The RNG is still there but it's not RNG heavy

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:31 PM

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there are charts out there that can help explain how to get legendaries

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Unless you take a skull room

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Which makes it 10%

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:/

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I am familiar with the "tech trees"

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I think the rarity increases also affect it

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

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So my question still stands, is it primarily luck that determines whether you can even choose the boons needed, or is there a gameplay element that Im just failing at?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

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if you are going for legendaries, it's both

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you need the RNG to give you the pre-requisite boons, but you need the game knowledge to know that it is a pre-requisite

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and choose it, even if it's common and looks "bad"

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sometimes I got legendaries from just 3 boons, but sometimes I never get to see them, despite picking like 6 boons from the same olympian with all the right pre-reqs

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idk if that answers your question

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:35 PM

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ok so other than tech tree knowledge there is nothing else that can influence other than luck?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I think so yea, tho I have a theory that anything which increases boon rarity might affect the chances of legendaries to pop up if you have the pre-reqs

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:37 PM

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ok, then I have seemingly bad luck. But thats fine, I have had enough superbuilds to make me happy, and I really enjoy the aspect of rolling with the RNG and building something out of nothing. Its rare I don't get to FB

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:38 PM

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nice, I think so too, I often hunt for stuff and don't get it, but I can still McGyver a winnable run together

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it's pretty satisfying to do

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:38 PM

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I don't have the ss of a build i did recently that destroyed me in elysium, but a couple of completer pieces in styx, including two athena DD boons, made a fairly good win over FB

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:38 PM

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sweet! That must've felt good

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:38 PM

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it was all centered around Dems cast lol

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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@mild crag is digging into the mechanism of boons and he might post more videos explaining it in the future.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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oh cool, looking forward to it

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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which i despise. I took it to finally get Crystal Clarity (which I did, thank god)

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I'm also looking into it at a different end of the tunnel

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Dems cast is hard to get going, kinda like blade rifts, but once you do, they're pretty powerful

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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but crystal clarity actually makes dem cast pretty... fun, not good per se.

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yeah, still a bit too short for my tastes

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I had hermes cast speed (well before I even had a cast lmao), and a couple of extra casts

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Demeter's cast is not good. It fires lasers but the lasers don't pierce enemies like in other video games

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682975281471815711/unknown.png||
I recently figured out you can get perfect catches if you react really fast. (I'm horrible with that... but I sometimes get it.)

And I got lucky and caught a really special fish I think?

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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and a really really fast freeze attack (but sadly, no dem legendary)

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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that's cool! you should try it with charon's keepsake, it can get pretty ridiculous hehe

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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whats charons keepsake again (i never remember anything but skelly)

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@scarlet urchin niiice! the odds of spawning fishing pools in chaos are really small

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@scarlet urchin That's extra luck to see a fishing spot in Chaos

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@final warren increases charon well item duration

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I know. I've seen that like.. twice before? So like..
I am so happy. ^^

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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let us know what you get for it

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i've only ever seen one

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I will. ^^

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Oh yeah I really like that keepsake, im still filling out all the ranks so I forget what each one does lmao

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I still need to check whether or not chaos/hermes boons counts against the number of olympian boons you'll see

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Luna’s luck blows my mind

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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all i got so far was projelly

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and i accidentally skipped a fishing spot

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I think you underestimate how many luckless runs I've had. xD

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I heard the ding as i already picked my room

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I am very very often getting only two olympian boons in the first biome, but I also tend to go for every chaos gate that ever appears

final warren Feb 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I was watching a vid of someone doing a revenge build and they missed the chaos fishing point. I almost started yelling at my screen.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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i raged so hard.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@hollow sorrel do you use your fated authority or save them?

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@hollow sorrel you might be interested in my recent findings: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chamber_Reward just finished it like, minutes ago.

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I think Hermes and Chaos boons make it into the Olympus boon count

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Good work @sacred folio squirtnya

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Thanks for keeping it updated

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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sometimes I use fated authority (e.g. guan-yu runs, to try to get more heart upgrades), but usually not so much with other aspects

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at least with the 1st biome

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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NP. I explore the game's mechanism as a detective game.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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gotcha, i tend to use about 2 whenever i see early money or poms and I usually get boons for it

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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interesting. So if you already collected the bounty; it makes gold laurels more common

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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@sacred folio So what does it mean for taking more chaos boons and the like?

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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does anyone have a link to that flowchart for boons that peach(?) made

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Does that negatively influence your chance of getting run progress rooms?

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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the wiki pages have the flowcharts now

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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ah thanks coffee

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I can't really understand the formula

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Taking Chaos boons counts as non-MetaProgress, which makes the game more likely to generate give you Darkness/Gems/Keys/Nectars.

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Ick

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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whaaaaat

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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And taking more meta progression rooms does the opposite?

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Yes.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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oookay well that's bogus

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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It's more economical to pickup the hearts/gold from erebus if you can.

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and rage quit if you can't

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Until you reach the room before Theseus fight, from which point there will be no more MetaProgress

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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so picking chaos forces more blue laurel rooms to spawn than normal?

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Well, that's explaining why underworld customs is so bogus with my habit of getting every chaos room

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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So this makes picking up chaos boons situational.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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@stiff stone Technically speaking, not more than you skip the Chaos room to take a non-MetaProgress

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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wait, wait there's a mixup I think

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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But if you feel like it's smart to skip a MetaProgress by taking a Chaos room, more MetaProgress will come to balance you smartness

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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the game sort of alternated between blue and golden laurel

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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But if i take chaos instead of blue laurel; that makes me see, on average, 1 more blue room later than if i did not take the chaos boon

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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so if you pick a chaos gate in a blue laurel room, you will likely be given a blue laurel on the way out of chaos

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cause it counts as a boon, which makes sense

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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oh is that why chaos room exits are so often meta rewards

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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so it's more advantageous to pick the chaos gate in a golden laurel room

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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no not really

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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why

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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In the long run I don't think taking a chaos room matters that much

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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you are still trading a regular boon with a chaos boon

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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well no, not if you take it in exchange for a blue laurel

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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i don't think; with the formula; the timing matters really.

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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So when I usually get every chaos room in the first biome, my average olympian boon count for the first biome is 2. I'm wondering what my average olympian boons count for the first biome would be if I didn't get any chaos boons

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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it's also probabilistic. You might be getting low rolls.

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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If it bumps up to like 4, then that means if I'm trying to get a hunting blades build, or anything else that involves a large number of boons, then I should specifically avoid every chaos room

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I had plenty of runs where i had a single boon for tartarus; or 5 boons for tartarus.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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seems like it, yea

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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@hollow sorrel pretty much

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but then RNG will screw you by never offering you the due

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Also, keep in mind that this formula doesn't distinguish between boons and heart/coins/pom.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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@hollow sorrel although, you can force different olympian boons for guaranteed elite fights with fated authority

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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They are all in the "RunProgress" category

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Keep offering you marked status, bonus damage vs armor and replace your attack instead.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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You might just get lots of hearts/poms but not many boons.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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that's also true

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I think the main idea is; if you are looking to get a lot of boons try to reroll coin/heart to boons?

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Do vase coins count as runprogress?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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that's what I do

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Also how do the shops work?

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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My rerolls usually happen on 3rd biome miniboss doors (in a sad attempt to turn it into a non-miniboss room), or I spam it in Styx, to try to spawn 2-3 Athena rooms

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I'm sure vase coins don't count as runprogress

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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shops don't have a laurel as far as I know

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so they can spawn with gold or blue options

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@rancid shore vase coins is in a different topic scope.

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I haven't started look into how shop offerings roll yet. It's a different topic

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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but when you get a shop; does that room count as runprogress or metaprogress

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I've often been able to turn the first few styx tunnels into a specific god I'm trying to get

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Also, @sacred folio THANK YOU for doing the research and putting the info out there.

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styx tunnels are forced gold laurels

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Shop is neither Run/Meta. But the formula only counts the number of MetaProgress

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NP man. It's something I enjoy to do anyway

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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So they will always be boon/pom/gold/heart

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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@hollow sorrel yea, i think that's intentional, cause the game seems to track which boons you prefer and give you a specific olympian set to choose from later on

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Ah so if i take a shop with a gold laurel OR blue laurel; it does not effect the chances at all

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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depending on what you took during the early game

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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@stiff stone ; you see boons from the first 4 olympians you took boons from.

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I'm also wondering if trial of the gods counts as 1 or 2 RunProgress

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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You have 4 rolled when the game begins; but if you haven't taken any from the 4th one; you can force a god using their trinkets.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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@hollow sorrel It's one since it's just one room.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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@chrome geyser good to know

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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yeah, I think the gods are set regardless if you choose their boons. For example, if the game roll Ares, and I ignore him on the first biome, he's probably going to show up later anyway

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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@sacred folio so based on your findings, it looks like the game alternated, more or less, between blue and gold laurels, which is smth i've also noticed

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I guess this means that if I'm going to do a 32 heat run, I should purposely collect the first three boss rewards beforehand

dim rapids Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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just saying, if you guys really want to fish chaos fish, there are mods that exist which put fishing in every room possible

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Does a than heart count as a room reward? How does that one work?

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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So lets say your run internally rolled artemis, ares, poseidon and zeus. The four will try to show up. When you accept their boons; they will go to your list. Let's say in tartarus you took poseidon and zeus. So you list is Poseidon and Zeus now; with artemis and ares will also show up. But then you want to force demeter; so you take her horn; and her boon. And when offered, in asphodel, ares and artemis boons you don't go to them. Now for elysium, you force dionysus and take his. Your list is done. You can force, once, an out of the 4 boon by still taking a trinket; like athena; but athena won't ever show up again.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@stiff stone yep.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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cool, thanks for doing the work! it's nice to see my hunches confirmed hehe

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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@hollow sorrel collecting the first two bosses' bounties should suffice. Styx wings won't have MetaProgress anyway

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Do note that my analysis is fully from my experience; and i did not check the game code

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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ahh, thanks

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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@rancid shore Than's Heart is not a room reward. Take his heart with no fear of repercussions

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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@chrome geyser that explains a lot actually

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so forcing boons later in a run is not very effective

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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It would be nice to see that in the game code; but I am not good at going through code to verify it.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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cause you most likely wont see that olympian again

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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If you have boons from 4 different olympian (- hermes) already, yes. You won't repeat see boons from them.

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But if you need the 5th god for a duo; it can be useful.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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4 boons or 4 boons from different olympians

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ah, right

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Or if you need a certain slot filled.

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Like; you have everything but damage; and you only need aphrodite for her flourish +200% bonus

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I mean, boon offers often give you options to fill empty slots

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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(4 different olympian boons)

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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right

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i wonder if picking chaos boons increases the likelyhood of chaos gates to spawn

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in the same manner as with olympian boons

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Hidden rooms still count towards meta vs runprogress right?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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probably towards runprogress

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Yes. But it's more like meta vs everying else.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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So blue laurel rerollable (meaning not-shop) hidden rooms still add to the meta counter.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Wait, what do you mean by hidden rooms? Fountain chamber?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:10 PM

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the gates, chaos/erebus

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i would imagine those count towards run progress

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Rooms hidden by chaos

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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oh, well for those you can still see the laurel, so it doesn't matter

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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chaos/erebus are both non-MetaProgress. Count of RunProgress isn't really in the formula.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I think both the chaos and erebus gates count as gold laurel runs.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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interesting, good to know

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Aren't they are innately in the formula; as currentMetaProgressRatio = MetaProgress / (MetaProgress + RunProgress)

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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It's ChamberCount. Shops / NPCs (e.g. Sisyphus) are neither MetaProgress nor RunProgress.

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I wonder what would happen if I modded myself way too many rerolls, and tried to reroll every RunProgress door to a boon, to see if the game attempts to cap the boons eventually

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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oh so chaos/erebus are counted similar to NPC rooms rather than run-progress?

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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OH the NPC/Characters/Shops still count in chamber count

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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@stiff stone that's right.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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iiiinteresting

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Aright; i fully get it now i think. Gonna use this knowledge.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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@hollow sorrel i think that would be cool to see, tho I think there's no cap

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@hollow sorrel you would die to FB from accidentally eating a spin due to low HP

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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@hollow sorrel best give yourself plenty of obols too

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 4:24 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527330532259004419/682986110015504504/unknown.png well, I gave myself 871 rerolls. I have to go out for a while, but I should have time later to test this

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...and 10,000 starting gold, in case I forget to change the file later

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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lmao, should suffice

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@scarlet urchin what was that fish worth?

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@stiff stone
I'm very very slow at my playing because I keep tabbing out and responding to people. ^^: Almost at the end of my run though.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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oh, oh mb

dusky drum Feb 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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what is the dio legendary again

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i did a couple dio cast hera runs and never got it

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i got the lvl 2 trho

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682993706454089877/unknown.png
I did it.
Though I have to eat dinner now first, but once I get back I'll tell you what the fish was worth. ^^

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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looks like an awesome OP run!

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grats on the win

naive tusk Feb 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@dusky drum Black Out: enemies receive +100% damage in Festive Fog

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The fish is worth an Ambrosia if I’m not mistaken

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Thanks Radish.
It wasn't in the beginning but later on once the ball got rolling it certainly did.

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And the fish was indeed worth an Ambrosia.

turbid needle Feb 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Double damage on poisoned enemies if they're in a festive fog

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/683021874090868745/unknown.png||
Talking to a boulder...
And feeling ambiguous in my believes I guess?

trail timber Feb 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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🤔

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Does that mean 2% more likely to encounter not-yet-datamined dialogs?

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I have no clue.

trail timber Feb 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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HERESY THEN

sacred idol Feb 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Does nothing sadly

safe mesa Feb 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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how does everyone use the adamant rail? i just don't understand how to use it well

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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if you're not using hestia, you shoot all your bullets and while you're reloading, dash and special

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if you need to reposition, reload and special while you do it

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the shots work nicely with boons that trigger on faster hits like zeus or dio

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high damage up boons are good for the special

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Killing Freeze and Winter Harvest are so fun together aaaaa

hard haven Feb 28, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Hey y'all what's up

finite violet Feb 28, 2020, 7:36 PM

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i used this build and it absolutely melted final boss... combined with priviledged status, and hangover on attack, i was just dishing out dumb damage https://gyazo.com/06dd0424357d61f91fa5b905b988f8d1

Gyazo

ripe parrot Feb 28, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Sea Storm and Second Wave together is so stronk

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:39 PM

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My most satisfying and hard fought win to date! https://imgur.com/a/oXIpE4m

Imgur

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 7:41 PM

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32 heat dang... that's. Wow.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:41 PM

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The build was so bad because of No Choices, I've had to turn down zeus's legendary!

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but it allowed me to play at my own pace because of no Tight Deadline

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Does Flurry Jab really synergize well with Hangover? I kinda feel like the attack speed is too fast and hangover will quickly hit the 5-stack cap

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:43 PM

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yea

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you apply many stacks of poison really quick

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i got it early on and it carried me most of the way because I would poke them 4-5 times and run away

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Ah that makes sense.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I kinda had to play with what ever I was given and I was half tempted to give up lol

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I got lucky with extended jab too

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I kinda always go boneheaded when picking up Flurry Jab and just keep spamming without thinking about safety

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I got so many zeus boons too, and not one allowed me to pick his attack

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it would've been amazing with flurry jab

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@sacred folio yea.. I couldn't really afford to do that heh, the cats were doing 20 dmg to me, I had to play really safe

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I almost always play with at least 1 rank of Tight Deadline. That could explain my reckless play style.

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Guess I should try to play it slow without Tight Deadline

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yea.. I played with it for a long time.. in fact this was my first 32 without it.. it was refreshing in a way

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Tight Deadline stresses me out, and always kills me in Elysium

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I play most of my runs without.... mostly because well... I'm not that high heat yet.
It's really stressful you make less calculated decisions and just rush.. At least for me.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:50 PM

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it really is

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not a prob if you play shield, but any other wep leaves you too open if you recklessly attack

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@scarlet urchin oh I don't play 32 all the time, that's just for the sporadic challenge, I usually play around 15-20. I've unlocked all there is so not much to do for me until the update shadesmile

stable oyster Feb 28, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Full forced overtime is usually what I go with

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Maybe with a bit of extra damage tacked on

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 7:56 PM

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oh damn you unlocked everything? wow.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Unlocking everything happens around 13 heat with all the weapons if you collect bounties

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I'm kinda stuck on my current heat level; but I turn on forced overtime, ex bosses and minibosses and enemy health.

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I try to see if i could do time limit; but for elysium it's not plausable; never ran through elysium within 7 minutes.

stable oyster Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Your build needs to be really good, especially with more enemy health

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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And I found how the game determines between death barge vs giant gorgon fight in asphodel.

stable oyster Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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!

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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@scarlet urchin yea.. I played a bit too much of this game heh

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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If you have EX minibosses enabled; it forces the giant gorgon fight. If not it forces the death barge.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 7:59 PM

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wait what?

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what's EX

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:00 PM

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It's the heat modifier that upgrades minibosses.

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Middle management?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:00 PM

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oh right

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no.. that's not correct

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I just had the barge on my 32 playthrough

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with middle management on

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I'm kidding.

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:00 PM

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@stiff stone Ahh well... I might get to that level at some point... xD Not yet though.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:00 PM

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oh..

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I hate MM gorgon

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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But seriously; i used to get death barge 4/5 before i turned on middle management.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Damn now I have to delete all my prev comment regarding middle management

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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It's the "hope you find patroclus" room

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Now that I have it on; I pray to zeus to get the death barge.

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I will take the additional invulnerable boi over the MEDUSA AND THE SKULL OF DEATH WAVES.

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But the ratios are flipped.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I think one happens sooner than the other, so if you know which room # it is, maybe you can guestimate which fight it will be

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:02 PM

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It's crazy. The nutcracker is barely on screen enough to do more than 5 damage to it. I have been landing it on lava sometimes just to damage it.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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unless i'm full of crap lol

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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And the moment I bait the thing; medusa telefrag petrifies me and whoops thats one death defiance cause the NUTCRACKER DOES 100000 DAMAGE

stable oyster Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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One usually happens before the other

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I believe that murder boat is last?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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think so

stable oyster Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Idk tho I’ve been away for a while

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:03 PM

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The game also straight up disables patroculus; or "my lord and savior" room if I lost more than a single DD leading up to elysium

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There are a few points where it can happen.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:04 PM

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patroclus rly is a run saver

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:04 PM

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The miniboss room in asphodel

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You could fully skip it if you get lucky with infernal or chaos gates.

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But the reward is too good to pass; and you might need that boon to not lose 2 DD to hydra EX.

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I really feel like MM Badusa and Thwomp are way too strong relative to every other mini-boss room

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Like somehow the butterfly ball with its changes is fine, but they're insane especially with forced overtime

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I prefer elite dreamcatcher to elite nutcracker.

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And the animation is screwed up

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Many times i dashed over the shockwave to still get hit by it.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Just took a quick look at the game's data files: nope. both mini boss fights have the same ForceAtBiomeDepthMin = 4, ForceAtBiomeDepthMax = 6 which means they should appear at the same "depth"

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:06 PM

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The hitbox is larger than the visual indicator

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Oh so they appear from the 4th to the 6th room?

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Yeah I guess so.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:08 PM

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So you cannot reliably dodge them by not going down to erebus and chaos 10 rooms before; since they have a window of 3

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Those smartass developers thought of everything

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:09 PM

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it's like they know what players dislike Hmm

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:10 PM

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What does the proxy bot respond to?

unkempt pagoda Feb 28, 2020, 8:11 PM

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cussing

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I don't know which part of my message triggered it.

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It's like I'm back on a Chinese website again where everything could be censored

unkempt pagoda Feb 28, 2020, 8:12 PM

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no cussing on a family friendly place is actually a very common thing

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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There is a cussword on your previous post that is not filtered lol.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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that's hardly a cuss word

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I don't mind it; just want to know. I can always replace words.

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Understood. But it seems my English is not good enough to understand why it triggered.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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the *ss part? It's not?

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I'll try to send the deleted message with twisted words.

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:14 PM

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pm me the message?

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Oh well maybe not lol.

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:15 PM

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well we found it

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it's good that it still censors words concatenated like that though, i think

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:23 PM

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First heat victoryyyy~
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135418430638522368/683046621856137350/unknown.png

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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congrats

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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ayy gj

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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how does support fire work with chain shot?

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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It's just the one arrow as far as I could see

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Do you have 3 tiny arrows for the extra targets?

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Oh 😢

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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athenas legendary feels kinda weak every time ive gotten it

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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It's worse than broken spearpoint.

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I had Dionysus' call and honestly I only got it because I was hoping to trade it for a heroic call

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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yea ikr

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i was like uhh so basically u a bad version of a keepsake lol

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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It's like a free damage block every room since usually by that time you can clear rooms in around that time aswell.

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Against bosses it is

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but broken spearpoint also does not stop the first damage instance

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While divine protection does

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I was able to stall Hades quite a bit so I didn't lack the shield too much

atomic mist Feb 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I really dislike the rooms where 20 flamewheels charge at you from different directions and you try to escape with your measly 2 dashes. Rip that 32 heat run

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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It's good for low HP builds; like guan yu

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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God same, I would've suffered in those if it weren't for my chain attack (plus faster attack speed ty Hermessss)

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I mean they're different things, but they are similar in that they prevent damage

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:27 PM

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This is why we don't sleep on Hermes

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Preventing a hit is different from preventing further hits

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I take broken spear point specifically for the laser disco ball of death

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:27 PM

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He did the disco ball like 3 times, I'm astounded I was able to find somewhere to hide for each one

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And that the arrows pierce the barriers I was standing behind

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Once you get the hang of it; disco ball is the least scary attack of the FB

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/683046346080780308/unknown.png

woven hill Feb 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Niiiiiiice!

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Congrats

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Sounds fun.

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Fun fact: If you hug your dad close enough when the lasers come on, you won't get hit

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:29 PM

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The trick is to get good at estimating which area of cover you need to stand behind for Discoball... Sometimes I think I'm covered... but then I aren't.

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And yea it was.

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Almost got a rainbow there....

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I just realised.

chrome geyser Feb 28, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I like to hide in the lower right corner spot

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Sweet nectar (and exclusive access) can make a run amazing if gotten early.

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Also aspect of zagreus? Been a while since i saw a screenshot with that

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Well I had that one fully upgraded and I kind of like the speed.

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:30 PM

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why does that say bonus everything

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Because it gives a bonus in speed to "everything" aforementioned in other upgrades I believe.

atomic mist Feb 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Isn't it bonus damage, speed & range for the special?

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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special damage, range and speed yeah

atomic mist Feb 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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How it says bonus everything is kinda funny though

scarlet urchin Feb 28, 2020, 8:36 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/683049719890575455/unknown.png
I think Zagreus has been talking to bouldy a bit too often....
Now he's talking to marble busts..

rancid shore Feb 28, 2020, 8:38 PM

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people are asking where you've been
they say "have courage", and i'm trying to
i'm right out here for you
just let me in

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Any tips on hunting for Darkness? Other than using Poseidon and Chaos boons and playing in a cleared Heat level for Boss rewards

sacred folio Feb 28, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Buy Trove Tracker from the Well of Charon. Troves may contain Darkness

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:28 PM

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woops, forgot about the filter teehee . troves give so much stuff when upgraded it's great 😩

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:28 PM

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hmm

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I just had a trove only offer 50 Darkness despite having them upgraded all the way

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:29 PM

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they diminish the trove rewards for bought trackers sometimes, idk why..

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:29 PM

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wonder if tracker'd troves can just forget they're upgraded maybe

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:30 PM

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could be!

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@jagged cairn i mean there's nothing better than that, just do low heat chaos runs and you can easily get 2k per run if all goes well

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Yeah, I finally maxed all weapon aspects, so working on maxing Fated Authority now

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I would save my breath on that insane goal, it's probably gonna get changed in less than 2 weeks

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they're reworking darkness

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Oh, well that's good to know. haha

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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fated authority seemed like it wasn't meant to be actively worked on given how huge of a leap it is tbh

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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shadesmile

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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I'm at 6 Fated Authority atm

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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nice, i'm at 8, so i'm kinda over farming darkness lol

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it's too much..

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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And at that point is when the price starts jumping by 10k each

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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for not much gain..

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right

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Maybe I should focus on getting some Titan Bloods for the new weapon.

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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for sure!

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you should need about 36

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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just equip nyx's trinket then you can say you're just taking the darkness for the heals owoHehe

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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get some nectar and ambrosia saved up too, they are also adding more to the relationships

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Oh nice

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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it's all in the road map you can see in game

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:36 PM

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fighting your way out of hades is all well and good but if you can't hit on more people then what is life

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or unlife? i'm not sure what state zagreus is really in

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:36 PM

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And another question. How does Hera Bow interact with Twin Shot?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

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it's the olympian way lol

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Does it double the projectile from casts?

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

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no

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the first arrow to land has the shards i think

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same with split shot

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

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for true olympian we need a way to become a goose

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zeus trial, he turns you into a goose and you have to survive for a period of time

jagged cairn Feb 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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But Artemis double projectile will still work correctly with Hera bow?

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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your honk provides knockback and you can flap over gaps

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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and you have to bring the rake in the lake

astral magnet Feb 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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yourlasthonk

stiff stone Feb 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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@jagged cairn yes

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 10:19 PM

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i just realized we still dont have much to do woth diamonds other than teh initial updrages

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like i have so many rn

night path Feb 28, 2020, 10:29 PM

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you actually use a few for a few different things

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though that list of things is very few admittedly

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some of it is cosmetics

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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really?

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like what?

night path Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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when you go to the construction people, there's other tabs that you can spend gemstones or diamonds on

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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unless u mena like things for the room and stuff

night path Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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yeah...

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there is one other thing that you can spend 10 diamonds on

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you can also convert diamonds into ambrosia iirc

torn bison Feb 28, 2020, 10:31 PM

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there isnt much other than upgrades

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and like i dint really need anymore ambrosia lol

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i just have a crap ton of ambrosia just sitting there

night path Feb 28, 2020, 10:34 PM

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i guess wait then

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the game isnt quite finished yet

west siren Feb 28, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I spent 5 diamonds on the mirror ball for the lounge 10/10 no regrets

limber comet Feb 28, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Yeah that ball is everything

digital axle Feb 28, 2020, 10:56 PM

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The demeter legendary effect

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sweat

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that boss, ya it dies at 10%

hollow sorrel Feb 28, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I didn't think stompy-rock's shockwave was one of the glitched animations on forced overtime? I thought the issue was the shockwave travels at the worst possible speed, such that if your timing is a bit too late, that the shockwave hits you in between dashes, which has some vulnerability?

digital axle Feb 28, 2020, 11:42 PM

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who needs to try

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676144926274093097/683096761891684356/unknown.png

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you can just get that really dumb demeter one that takes all your abilities and downranks them to normal, and scales them by 1 every encounter

tidal thorn Feb 29, 2020, 12:05 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/Im9ZJXX.jpg
Definitely the lease amount of boons I've ever used but a great run.

Imgur

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Got cast, feels good.

green compass Feb 29, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Can you play on the harp?

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It cost a diamond so I'm wondering if I can actually use it beyond the little plucking interaction

primal cape Feb 29, 2020, 12:23 AM

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You gradually can play more notes but I’m unsure the full extent of it

There’s a quest with orpheus about the harp (lyre)

unkempt pagoda Feb 29, 2020, 12:38 AM

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i read somewhere that finishing the lyre quest involves playing it 200~ times?

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so it'd be better to get it now and start plucking at it

chrome geyser Feb 29, 2020, 12:40 AM

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@hollow sorrel i sacrificed a run to make sure. It is glitched; the inner boundary extends. RIP my no boon hera bow run. Then again apparently today was "lol; you get no boons EVER and run into gorgon-ex every run"day; so no fun for meee 😦

primal cape Feb 29, 2020, 12:41 AM

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That’s been me minus gorgon ex

chrome geyser Feb 29, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Seriously sometimes i can get by losing 1 DD. But when I have no boons; i just know im going to leave that fight with no DD's left. Might as well kill me then.

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I think i'm gonna go low heat for a while and work on my controller skills rather than mk.

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 12:58 AM

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@chrome geyser Interesting. I'm still not sure what type of coding glitch is causing this. I would expect that all the animations would have a default animation speed, that could all be modified at the same time. I wonder if some of the animation speeds were hardcoded, and are ignoring the speed modifier.

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Or there might be some awkward coding, where some of the animations are actually parts in a series, and for some reason the parts get out of sync, when the speed is modified

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ohh, that's probably definitely happening with the Furies. Where the Fury "helper attacks" aren't properly waiting for the sister to complete her pre-attack animation

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In the case of the stompy rock, the "rock stomp" and "shockwave" animations are separate parts of a series, that is getting messed up by the speed modifier

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Or the hitbox animations and graphic animations are separate, and can get desynced. There are a few things that could be happening

astral magnet Feb 29, 2020, 1:31 AM

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with half speed from chaos i've had the door animations get screwed up at least

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 1:59 AM

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I've floated in lava on the 2nd biome "doors" from that

sacred idol Feb 29, 2020, 2:00 AM

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eesh, animation desyncs that are actual desyncs

digital axle Feb 29, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I'm gonna try a dash build

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game decides no

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I guess Im doing a special build

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Yay

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Use dat flourish

digital axle Feb 29, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Ended up with a Zeus build special spear that ricocheted all over the place and had crit on its return

digital axle Feb 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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I find that alot of my runs bank on a couple conditions.

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Get an Athena reflect, and stack curses

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hopefully with future additions, we get some more variety in god support

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but there is already a decent amount to play with

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I think an optional super boss or two would spice things up

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though I do tend to despise the butterfly room

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:11 AM

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If you want to maximize the number of boons you get:

If there is one rerollable non-meta door, then it can always provide a boon. It might take up to 3 rerolls to do this.
If there is more than one rerollable non-meta door, and if no boons are showing, then you can turn any of those rooms into a boon room. It might take up to 3 rerolls to do this.
Any non-meta rewards you take (e.g. Chaos boons, hammer upgrades, health upgrades) will lower the chances you have of maximizing boon count.
Boons bought in shops don't affect chances of finding future boons, so feel free to buy as many as you can afford.
If you have a choice between a non-meta reward, and something else, then reroll the non-meta reward into a boon, and take it. Choosing the "something else" can lower maximum boon count (e.g. choosing a ! room instead of a non-meta reward, can lower maximum boon count)
This means that every 3 keys you get can be turned into a boon (though you might get lucky and only need to spend 1 or 2 keys to get a boon). Keep in mind that if you turn too many heart rewards into boons, then your max HP might suffer.
If you are going to take a meta reward, and one of the choices is a key, and you get a free reroll every time you get a key, then you want to choose the key room, even if it's an elite room. More keys = more boons.
The game cares about how many non-meta rewards you get, but it doesn't care if you keep turning your non-meta rewards into boons. As in, there doesn't seem to be a cap on boons, that is realistically possible to achieve.
Styx room rerolling can be a bit strange, because it can easily show multiple boon doors at the same time, it can't show the same god on multiple boon doors at the same time, and your game probably has 4 gods in the rotation. This means creative rerolling might be able to force a specific god (out of the 4 in the rotation) to appear multiple times in Styx, if you have enough rerolls.

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At least, those are my notes so far. It's just a draft, so who knows if I botched anything

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:15 AM

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O M G coffee

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Yeah, it unfortunately means those mirror reroll upgrades are a lot more useful than I had previously thought

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:17 AM

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There are a couple of things there that are off

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:17 AM

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As in starting with 10 rerolls = at least 3 extra boons I can force

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:17 AM

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In elite key rooms, you get 2 keys but only 1 reroll

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:18 AM

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It's still a reroll. And I don't think you can have the choice between a non-elite key room and an elite key room at the same time

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Also, if I remember correctly the wiki says that ! Rooms don’t count as non meta

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:19 AM

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I might need more data points, for when I'm given the choice between ! and non-meta

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:19 AM

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And what is considered 'meta' even?

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:19 AM

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The few I have, doesn't seem like the ! choice was making the next room a super high chance of non-meta, because I specifically choose a ! instead of the non-meta choice

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Do you mean on an individual basis or is there an overall meta

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:20 AM

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meta is like keys, nectar, or anything else that also exists outside that specific game

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non-meta are things you lose when the game ends, like gold or boons

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Ahh.

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Also, just a let you know, on styx: if there’s a god1 boon door and you enter another door and reroll inside the room, you can get the god1 boon even if another door outside already has it

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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This whole thing was inspired, because many of my games only gave me 2 olympian boons in the entire first biome

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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I still need like 20 keys to buy the reroll in the mirror ;;

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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ohh, I didn't know that. It probably wouldn't help maximizing a certain god though, right?

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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And yeah I've been noticing that. I think it increases meta item rate depending on if you've cleared that Heat level already or not.

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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because it would be rerolling from a much larger pool?

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Also, but this is moré personal experience, i have rerolled like 7 times on styx doors and they always shuffled between poms and coins. Just bad luck failbag

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:22 AM

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I think someone said earlier today, that if a boss room drops a meta reward instead of a bounty reward, that it increases the chance of getting a non-meta reward

sacred folio Feb 29, 2020, 5:22 AM

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@ripe parrot see https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation for a complete context

Hades Wiki

Damage Calculation

A high-level overview of the damage calculation process could be:

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (1 × Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

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Oops, wrong link

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I might need to remove the Styx part then. It's kind of weird. I do know there have been multiple games where I've forced 3 Athena doors in the same Styx game, when I was trying to get more death defiances

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Haha yeah I was confused

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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And yeeah, if you retoll while inside a styx room, the pool is larger

turbid needle Feb 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Did you force them sequentially?

sacred folio Feb 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chamber_Reward this one

Hades Wiki

Chamber Reward

Most chambers in Hades (game) has one or more pickups as rewards to the player.

turbid needle Feb 29, 2020, 5:24 AM

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You didn't have all three present at once, right?

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Thanks!

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:24 AM

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That shouldn’t be possible righr?

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:24 AM

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So if you're trying to force a specific god, you're better off taking the specific god if it's offered in the main styx room, then rerolling the other doors afterwards

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no

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I rerolled to athena, went through that door until I got a her boon, then rerolled when I got back tot eh main room

turbid needle Feb 29, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Yeah, that's totally possible, I've done that before.

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:25 AM

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That’s what I do too

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But sometimes game trolls me and rerolls poms and coins back and forth haha

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:25 AM

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It also might be why the complicated legendary builds can magically finish on Styx

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Because you can force like 3 Ares rooms, if you wanted

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Yeah, it seemed like if there are multiple doors, and if any of the doors was showing a boon, that there was some chance the other doors would get stuck in a loop without a boon choice

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Does it alter the odds any if you save those doors for last then?

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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It happened to me outside of styx earlier today too

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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No no, I mean while there are no boon doors

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I'm assuming that less doors = less other gods showing, which means it's harder to force one specific god

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Like a pom door and a heart door

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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oh, that's not good

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Rerolling pom to coins and vise versa

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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My 800+ reroll testing didn't get to Styx yet

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:28 AM

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That's a lot of rerolls!

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:28 AM

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I never actually used that many, it just happened to be the number of ",1" entries I copy/pasted into the script

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:29 AM

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What I do on styx is force a god boon I want, take it, then reroll another door (preferable a god I dont want because poms and coins love to appear more)

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The more doors available, the less options you leave at chance since a door cant show 2 exact rewards

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Except for that case I told you about but thats leas reliable

hollow sorrel Feb 29, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I'll try to do some Styx testing this weekend. I know that if I copy/paste a save file on the very first room of Styx, that it can reroll into different main styx rooms, which should speed up the testing

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I wish you good luck and happy testing squirtnya

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:35 AM

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That's wild

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Hay Cale

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Hello

small gorge Feb 29, 2020, 6:04 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/7ii6Zn2 so that coin stuck

Imgur

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 6:04 AM

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noooooo

small gorge Feb 29, 2020, 6:05 AM

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tisiphone know how to made my day

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 6:05 AM

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f to that 100 g

arctic stump Feb 29, 2020, 6:05 AM

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f

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 6:20 AM

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@short zinc I’d say Rare Crop picks a boon to cultivate, not a slot

short zinc Feb 29, 2020, 6:21 AM

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@naive tusk So it is intended then, gotcha

chrome geyser Feb 29, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Rare crop picks boons.

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Can pick hermes boons too

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which becomes useless; because heroic hermes boons go something like 88% to 98% which functionally does nothing.

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I hate it when the flurry cast gets picked. IT WAS ALREADY EPIC DEMETER!

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Hahaha.

naive tusk Feb 29, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Demeter best grandma

faint sonnet Feb 29, 2020, 6:35 AM

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What does this "Ambiguity bonus" mean?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676983337293840404/683200705674084389/unknown.png

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 6:36 AM

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It doesn't mean anything, that's the jokeTM

faint sonnet Feb 29, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Funny

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:14 AM

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wasted my nectar

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very funni BOULDY

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:15 AM

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haha u got got

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:15 AM

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DONT STOP ME SISSYPUSS IMMA GONNA SEE THIS ROCK TORN INTO PIECES

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:17 AM

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D: Don't hurt Bouldy!

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:17 AM

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this moment just reminded me of the woman and cat meme except the women are zag and sisphyus and the cat is bouldy

sacred idol Feb 29, 2020, 7:36 AM

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@tawny ivy Until that's addressed, one workaround is to quit game immediately without room changes and reloading

balmy zephyr Feb 29, 2020, 7:40 AM

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As of right now once I have all the weapons and miror unlocks is there any use for keys bessides training it in for nector and getting a room re-roll

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Trading it in*

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Right now no, but with a new weapon on the way it'd be smart to keep like ten on hand.

sacred idol Feb 29, 2020, 7:41 AM

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And if you have the time, bank like 36 blood

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:42 AM

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Damn

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How do you guys farm so much blood

sacred idol Feb 29, 2020, 7:42 AM

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heh, bold of you to assume I have that much

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:42 AM

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I cant even finish the bounty because i have like 2 weapons that I dk how to use

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LMFAO

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aka shield and gun

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without rocket lawnchair upgrade i really hate the mortar Q

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because i want SPEED DAMN IT

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actually I got really lucky with my gun run once thats why i can beat hades with it lol

balmy zephyr Feb 29, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I like the mortar when I have the triple shot upgrade.

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Cluster Rocket Launcher + Doom Stack + Doom Effect = Dai

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Do any of you play with a controller?

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:48 AM

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o/

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:48 AM

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I'm wondering how the dash attack works exactly with the bow, if at all. It's not consistent to pull off for me on a controller.

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:48 AM

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The bow will shoot

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Sometimes I'll dash and at the end I'll fire an arrow, but most of the time I just dash.

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:48 AM

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it will deal just as much damage like you standing still

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:49 AM

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The timing on it is like, midway through the dash. Just takes practice.

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Does it still count if you go into a charge shot but push the button as you're dashing?

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I can never instantly fire at the end of a dash but I can dash into a charge

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:49 AM

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That's the bow's dash attack, yes.

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The charge is a lot shorter that way.

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:50 AM

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That's what I was wondering.

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I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be like the other dash attacks in that it was like, a quick thing

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:50 AM

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does it mean harder to get perfect shot while dashing?

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:50 AM

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It's quickER, but not instant. A little confusing for me to understand at first, too.

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Nope, just slightly faster timing.

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:51 AM

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I figured it out essentially just from playing around with Skelly and watching the damage numbers

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:51 AM

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The flash and leniency on the window is still the same.

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Also you can end your shot like how you release the attack button

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you dash then shoot

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:51 AM

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But I wanted confirmation that was the intent of how it works and not some controller issue lol

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Makes sense!

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:52 AM

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it might just be me who has never been raised with controller's milk

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but i perform suboptimally using them lol

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:52 AM

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I feel that

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This game is like, just the stick and four buttons tho so it's nothing too complex

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Not really lol

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I struggle with the stick especially

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i cant get as precise as I can get with m&k

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Tbh I haven't even tried it with m+k yet

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Like sure auto aim is a thing but god I still cant aim with that

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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I'm really bad at the precision required for keyboard movements, I can never get them fluid.

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Nearly made me quit Bastion back when I first played until I tried with a controller >.>

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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I don't really have a desk, I play and use my computer from my bed and cast onto my tv

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Lol

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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So it's not the most optimal space or position for m+k play

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Dont cast games on tv if you want optimal gameplay

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bigger screens = slower refresh rate

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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I don't literally cast it's HDMI

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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HDMI too

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Dont do that

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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OK send me a monitor

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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basically use a smaller screen is to your advantage

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ok i assume you dont have a monitor then oof

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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If you can change my circumstances to allow me to do such a thing that would be fantastic

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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monitor with 60 hz are cheap these days

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at least i think more cheaper than a 60" tv tho thanthink

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:55 AM

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I'm on a dinky lil 1080p Vizio

earnest ravine Feb 29, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Still a couple hundred, or at least A hundred.

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Not super easy to spring for.

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Yeah and I'm like $250 short on rent this paycheck as it is

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Maybe one day

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Maybe one day

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Cale can juan shot hades

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:56 AM

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It hasn't seemed to have made any significant impact for me so far

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:56 AM

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So anyway I have collected 6 runs of footage

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I am debating if I should start making Nerf Athena or Nerf Artemis

ripe parrot Feb 29, 2020, 7:56 AM

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Artemis because best girl

hybrid galleon Feb 29, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Ye cause I have a WIP thumbnail for the vid which Zag is pulling his bow with his legs which strapped two nukes on it