Ah yeah - I think I was trying to look for it when I already had the boon menu open? (Unless it also shows up then and I actually just need to get my eyes checked lmao)
#h1-builds-and-combat
gentle mason
sacred idol
Fine gods, godsawful placement
Dio dash, Zeus cast, Poseidon attack, Artemis special... on Zag bow
night path
that's icky
sacred idol
I mean, it's working currently, but it's gonna flop hard at a boss
rancid shore
just don't get hit :^)
sacred idol
4Head
it's not about getting hit, it's about having all my dps sources on the worst slots for them
rancid shore
artemis special on zag bow is great if you pretend it isn't absolute garbage
sacred idol
lul
it WOULD be great if the boons were shuffled
let's say, zeus dash, art attack, dio special, poseidon cast
that'd be fine
Wow. It is salvageable
I'm just down a lot of DD, but... charged volley artemis does work
nerf longspears tho
sacred idol
I WON LMAO
with this janky build
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682192079384084492/unknown.png wrong slots, quality rng
Aw man. I went to 71 chambers by mistake, I'll never have a 69 run screenshotted
rancid shore
start over
sacred idol
sacred idol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682205990900465775/unknown.png 420... chill it? got that as change from buying winter harvest
hybrid galleon
sacred idol
chaos spam?
heck if I know, tbh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682207360017891366/unknown.png No ruptured. only time I ever actually secured sea storm/cold fusion.
charged throw is a godsawful hammer, so slow
Oh hey, Useless Trinket should be up for 8 heat. Neat. Just the lyre, Skelly's keepsake, one slightly buggy bow hammer, sword hammers, Dio's legendary, and aspects to go.
Or not! Apparently the statue didn't count yet.
dim rapids
you can add chambers via entering chaos/infernal gates 2 rooms before a boss
i'm not sure if it works if you enter double chaos gates in a row
sacred idol
I know now what attack can do >100 damage on Hades
His forward thrust with Boiling Blood.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682249757317398555/unknown.png owned by RNG/10
unkempt pagoda
old deadly reversal wya 😩
dusky drum
back when athena artemis builds were busted
dim rapids
that's a lot of spear runs
final warren
Since i got into this game so late, I would LOVE a retrospective of how the game evolved. I jumped on when it released on steam
sacred idol
Feature to play all old builds when?
dusky drum
Ive played since before chaos update
unkempt pagoda
in the very early days, there was no rail, chaos rooms were just gold, and hydra was the final boss
dusky drum
yea
unkempt pagoda
artemis dash + spear wrecked everything
dusky drum
we only had like 6 very linear gods for boons
there wasnt nearly as much in the game in terms of design
unkempt pagoda
and heat used to be a collectable and scaled to a max of 200~ heat rather than the current 49/50
sacred idol
that was quicc
dusky drum
i enjoyed the early versions but they got boring quick
but now i can just keep playing
unkempt pagoda
in the very, very early days, artemis, orpheus, and sisyphus didn't have art and ares's art was just concept art
dusky drum
and it feels so wholesome to see the game turn into what it is now
final warren
Aww Felis, you made a feedback for it
sacred idol
@stiff stone Why limit it, though?
final warren
i mean, id be happy enough getting like, a youtube breakdown...
unkempt pagoda
also dash was extremely clunky and went up to 3 dashes
dusky drum
yea
dim rapids
lol the guan yu charged skewer is still bugged
dusky drum
you went like halfway across the creen in one dash
stiff stone
@sacred idol cause it wouldn't be relevant for new players
dusky drum
and had like 1 sec of end lag
mellow rune
But guys
dim rapids
i switched to heroic artemis
unkempt pagoda
and athena dash was called titan toppler
dim rapids
and it's a full screen line clear
final warren
Man that old dash sounds like me with the Achilles spear
sacred idol
and easier to code as all or nothing.
mellow rune
how would that work in the platforms
unkempt pagoda
still the coolest name for a dash boon ever, bring it back
mellow rune
steam does not allow you to chose which version to use
I wouldn't think epic does
and let's not even talk about consoles
dusky drum
just in game in settings you can turn it back
sacred idol
Dead Cells does let you do that in Steam
mellow rune
really?
sacred idol
this is based on Dead Cells' Legacy mode
final warren
Which reminds me of my absolutely AWFUL run yesterday, where I took achilles spear, got artemis attack, a dashstrike chaos, and then promptly took another chaos where I couldnt use attack.
mellow rune
well
final warren
it was tartarus on 5 heat but... still
mellow rune
what version would that be then?
final warren
that was a really slow 3 (4?) rooms
mellow rune
EA release?
sacred idol
sacred idol
well I mean, ideally all of them.
final warren
also I kept rushing to the spear.. onto traps. With the traps heat
dusky drum
now im having flashbacks of havingwalls on hyrdra
mellow rune
I'm not opposed to the idea, but it just doesn't seem practical from a dev standpoint
a lot of headache for something minor imho
sacred idol
I mean, they don't need to act on it
that's literally in the rules for feedback :^)
feedback is to express interest, not to demand SGG take action, after all
mellow rune
of course
final warren
How do we demand action? Like, for say.... a flamethrower as 6th weapon?
mellow rune
wait 14 days first :P
sacred idol
I think that's an Enjoy Ban move
final warren
unacceptable, I demand action. Do i just declare it?
sacred idol
I have Artemis' legendary and no cast boon
naive tusk
Wat
green compass
Still waiting on greek fire launcher
sacred idol
It's like that one vine
All these casts... all these casts... and I still can't find a boon
naive tusk
You sold True Shot right?
sacred idol
You know, a magic staff COULD launch fire.
No, I didn't
I got Dual Shot
it qualifies
4head
naive tusk
Because it’s not possible to get her Legendary without True Shot
sacred idol
I was avoiding getting both Attack and Special Artemis
final warren
sacred idol
I am literally in Tartarus and have never seen a purging pool until the end of the biome.
green compass
So eventually I plan on building a bow, is hera or chiron better?
sacred idol
Yo, wait, should I take Ares this run?
final warren
I actually like both
green compass
I've seen both mentioned but that's a lot of titan blood
sacred idol
just for the maximum galaxy brain
final warren
Hera is more explody
sacred idol
artemis athena ares
final warren
Chiron is more twitchy
naive tusk
Oh wait, you got other Artemis boons
sacred idol
yeah screw it. I'm gonna meme.
green compass
What is easier to use well?
sacred idol
inb4 no hunting blades and shot is just bad the entire run
final warren
I think Hera is "easier" in terms of learning to use it well
sacred idol
I could at least end up with 12 craptastic blenders
final warren
Chiron requires more evasive manuevers
naive tusk
Just get a nice cast boon
sacred idol
no Heart Rend this run tho
naive tusk
Like Athena’s
final warren
Hera kinda just... explodinates things
sacred idol
eh, not a fan
naive tusk
No hate plz
naive tusk
But it’s a huge ball of fun~
sacred idol
Besides
naive tusk
Be Zenyatta
sacred idol
I'm trying for Doom attack
green compass
So I can get bounties
final warren
note: there is a weird glitch where.. well, if you miss with hera, sometimes the bloodstones... well they go for cigarettes
sacred folio
Even with maxed rank Hera's aspect, bloodstones stuck in enemies for 5 seconds feels like forever.
sacred idol
btw @naive tusk I did learn that you were right about Nasty Dash's starting point being better.
naive tusk
Go for Lightning Phalanx @sacred idol
sacred idol
Today I learned it was excellent for those stompy bois.
naive tusk
Pleaaase? XD
sacred idol
And Hydra.
Too late, I went ares keepsake
Besides, where the hell would I put Zeus on this?
naive tusk
His uuuh call?
final warren
@sacred folio Thats why I think i prefer Chiron
I enjoy getting a great special boon, and just focusing down on a baddie
For lols though one time I wanna do Hera with Demeter cast
Im sure it would be awful
but hilarious
naive tusk
I still gotta try Artemis Special with Chiron
sacred idol
I really want a demeter/ares duo named Cold War
sacred idol
final warren
Cold War: Stare intensely at all enemies and waste all obol. Cold War then expires.
naive tusk
Seriously though, Cold War: your doom damage is doubled vs chilled foes
sacred idol
lmao jinx, my shop offered me zeus
final warren
I think it would be better as an oblique pun name: Frigid Combat
sacred idol
No, Cold Fusion is literally just that
naive tusk
Get Uncle Zeus plz
sacred idol
also Cold Hearted for Aphro/Demeter
pls
I want them all to be Mr. Freeze tier bad puns
final warren
Now I cant get CHILL OUT out of my head
and realized they missed the boat on Mr. Freeze puns on Dem/Dio
sacred idol
Yes
naive tusk
@sacred idol started a run with GY, Artemis offered me epic flourish. I wanna try the special build now XD
final warren
god, now every demeter name just leaves me feeling empty inside
naive tusk
Hammer recommendations an other boon synergies? Please 🥺
naive tusk
They already have Blizzard Shot ❄️🌊
final warren
OMG, OR COOL PARTY for Dem/Dio
naive tusk
Guess I’m on my own then
final warren
MY GOD WHAT HAS SUPERGIANT DONE
sacred idol
I mean, I'm not sure what else to build for on that
final warren
theyve left us in the cold!
sacred idol
Other than charging
naive tusk
Heart Rend it is then~
sacred idol
I've never done it without charged skewer. Tried it a grand total of once.
Heart Rend yeah
jagged cairn
Someone will mod the game with bad puns!
naive tusk
I’d help with that mod
sacred idol
I would
...okay, to-do: learn how to mod
will replace every line I can think of with atrocious puns
final warren
game: wont even start
if demeter
then pun
else crash
that should be it right?
sacred idol
Than: "I love you from my Thana-head to my Thana-toes."
final warren
I cant wait til the mod where every sound is replaced by Hades' laugh
sacred idol
gotta give everyone jokes
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682264315298185376/unknown.png I don't have Jury Duty.
chrome viper
Thanks, Thanatos.
sacred idol
aREKTo
dim rapids
not sure if triple favours actually do anything
but lmao
4 duos + level 7 artemis charged skewer though
sacred idol
I think it's safe to say they do something. 4Head
dim rapids
at one point i got offered heroic exchange + legendary + duo
sacred idol
also @naive tusk should've taken the advice, I didn't get Hunting Blades so now my ares cast is six stacks of unreliable crap
jagged cairn
I finally got a run with Hunting Blades on Hera Bow
dim rapids
merciful end if you apply doom and can deflect very often
dim rapids
merciful end is also rare
dim rapids
though i've had cases where my only source of doom was inconvenient to put
and i got offered it
sacred idol
aw, no re-offer on reversal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682269780664909853/unknown.png I guess it's fine if you have 12 of them.
Will He Blend?
YES, HE BLENDS
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682270063486959654/unknown.png dad blender was ok
I forgot to bouldy for the finisher tho
hearty dew
the only time ive beaten Hades i had a similar blade rift cast build. +3 casts, had homing, did incresed damage per tick, Shock damage where the cast ammo was on the ground etc
was so broken
sacred idol
no homing
literally just that base and a crapton of them
so it was bad, unless hades was in a corner
rofl
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/682273215334449170/20200226195948_1.jpg had quite the run
dim rapids
quick reload is kinda moot on poseidon sword though
opal bay
kind of didn't think of quick reload much at the time, should have definitely picked something else atm tbh.
but this set up quite honestly bite away Hades health as it was basically stacking chill and getting the exit wound to do its thing.
On side of it I have gotten a bit too far with side build which was just dash-strike getting 282% more damage and hitting twice with overall dash amount 5 times, enough to get all the hangover effect to stack up.
dim rapids
it's already a pretty good build even w/o all the other stuff honestly lol
as long as you have exit wounds and fully loaded
opal bay
yeah it just kind of happened
dim rapids
those are the main things that carry poseidon builds
rancid shore
that's apparently a hot take
jagged cairn
Took it next to a bomb that killed me. lol
Wasn't a great run, and was hoping that 2nd Hammer would fix it, then that happens. haha
dim rapids
F
jagged cairn
I think it was just unfortunate timing really.
sacred idol
@hollow sorrel rofl, owned about as hard as me this run - 3 biomes without an attack boon
I should have just wiped to Theseus to progress the autograph dammit
I also have 5 god spawns.
What even.
turbid needle
MFW mini rooms in the styx count as individual encounters for passive items, but not for thanatos keepsake
Is it intended?
naive tusk
@jagged cairn you got hammered 😏
sacred idol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/682287219146489921/unknown.png I can't believe I won this cursed run AND finished a Fated Prophecy.
jagged cairn
How does this work? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510591566164000788/682288165381341196/unknown.png
sacred idol
My list is now down to: 3 Sword hammers, 3 aspect unlocks (all third aspects on Sword/Spear/Bow), the Useless Trinket, and the lyre.
naive tusk
When you crit a foe, another foe in the same room gets a green crosshair. Foes with crosshairs have an increased chance to be critical damaged @jagged cairn
Once you crit a foe with the crosshair, the mark is removed
sacred idol
it just guarantees it at that point
naive tusk
Oh it means you’ll always crit 😂
sacred idol
once.
hollow sorrel
@sacred idol I'm wondering if chaos boons are in the same "pool" as the other god boons. As in, the more chaos boons I get, the less of the olympian boons I get.
hollow sorrel
Is there just a weird modifier I'm triggering that other people aren't?
sacred idol
I've had runs with no chaos and no boons in the entirety of tartarus other than starting keepsake
or was there like, one run with NO boons...
I think I had a boonless
nope, just RNG with no failsafes.
grumble grumble each biome should have a min boon count
hollow sorrel
There's so many "look at my crazy combo boon buffet" posts, like these full elaborate hunting blade builds.... and I'm just like WOW, I got to start the last biome with an attack AND dash boon. I legit started with 2 boon slots filled, that's an accomplishment for me
jagged cairn
Do Weak and Charm count as 2 Status effects?
sacred idol
yeah, lmao
that's most of my runs, coffee
I just had some luck a few runs
then a few where I got plenty of boons - wrong god, or wrong slot
manic ermine
Charm is not a status
sacred idol
and this last screwup where I had five gods
sacred folio
@jagged cairn Charm is a status effect, but not a "status curse": https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses
jagged cairn
Thanks. Didn't realize that.
rare salmon
Does your Dash Attack count as an Attack for the purpose of Attack +% damage and Artemis' Deadly Strike?
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/682292800225935403/20200226212737_1.jpg man this run was mediocre
chrome viper
love how everything is pink/purple
opal bay
and then there is this just one legendary which made little change
chrome viper
Does Lightning Rod interact with Splitting Bolt?
(Zeus+Artemis Duo with Zeus Legendary)
naive tusk
I think so since Lightning Rod summons lightnings and Splitting Bolt activates with any lightning effect
@rare salmon if you mean dash-Strike, then yes
rare salmon
@naive tusk Yes, that's what I meant 🙂
I had Artemis Attack and Dash, plus +58% attack from Chaos and ~125% dash from Chaos... it was a bit of damage 🙂
On the Guan-Yu spear with the Triple Dash Strike Hammer upgrade
naive tusk
That sounds nutz 
opal bay
(meanwhile like half of them are actually successful 
)
chrome viper
and where would the splitting bolt spawn from? the centre of the lightning rod or from the struck enemy?
naive tusk
I’d say from the foe but I never had that combo before
You could test it with a single bloodstone 
naive tusk
The only one that is literally useless is Quick Reload on a Poseidon Aspect run
Others, I have underestimated them until I tried them out
pallid dagger
maybe, but these weren't suited to my run AT ALL
i have no cast upgrades, the movement speed upgrade was common rarity when i'm using the rail, and i don't have the hyperfocus to consciously dash each time i take a hit
i just wasted a crap ton of kobol, at least for this run
stiff stone
the hp recovery is handier than you give it credit
you don't need to do it conciously
since you often get hit right before you dash anyway
pallid dagger
that's my hope
it's never helped me all that much before but that's the one i took
stiff stone
nice 🙂
it helps, tho i wish there were some stats I could give you to back this up lol
naive tusk
You will see some green numbers there 👍🏼
stiff stone
there have been runs where i'd take a lot of damage yet not lose any dd
and I attributed that in part to the hp recovery lol
naive tusk
Epic rarity dash hp recovery is 40% of damage taken so if you took 20 damage, you’d recover 8
stiff stone
it's effectively a 40% damage reduction
that happens.. say.. 50% of the time
that's pretty good
get some weak on them and you're not gonna die lol
naive tusk
I’ve never said this but I love your pic & name @stiff stone
stiff stone
why thank you ❤️
native ether
its not bad recovery, still kinda prefer his +dashes though
stiff stone
i mean yea, additional dashes is always best
naive tusk
Last run I had the boon that gives you 20% chance to dodge and +45% dodge chance for 15s when you use you call so I was calling Artemis for a single arrow everytime lol
naive tusk
I have tunnel vision for additional dashes. I see it, I dont care what the other options are, I just take
native ether
I don't think its physically possible to get 100% dodge chance.
At least permanently
stiff stone
yea, only if it was additive
and it would still be temporary
@naive tusk you did give me an idea for how to make a high heat sword melle run work tho, I'll try to stack some dodge if I can heh
native ether
I think it is additive (though I haven't dug into the game files, but everything in this game is additive, so I see no reason why Plume is also not additive) but its just not really possible.
Like sure you can get Greater Evasion and Second Wind, and that's 75% dodge chance while Second Wind is active.
stiff stone
hmm interesting
native ether
In order to get 100% you would need to match at least 25% on the plume
stiff stone
that's easy to do tho
naive tusk
Good luck with that run 😊
stiff stone
that's like what, 10 rooms?
stiff stone
oh right, i'm thinking of the butterfly
native ether
given that the maximum I have ever gotten on plume is around 30% and I think the theoretical maximum is 40% if you fast cleared every room. I don't know if its really feasible.
Sure its probably possible but its kinda a meme strategy lol.
stiff stone
oh yea, you need amazing RNG for the Hermes boons
jagged cairn
Does Zeus shield move faster if you have a movement speed boon?
novel shard
(An unrelated question: I'm trying to level up relationships faster, and I seem to get fairly far each run, making the process somewhat drawn out. Would dying faster, and earlier, speed up the process, or should I be getting the same gains from longer runs?)
naive tusk
I don’t think so @jagged cairn
native ether
though I would assume Plume is additive because everything in this game is additive with the exception of some crit related things.
stiff stone
@novel shard yes, i think that's a common tactic, tho you will run out of nectar faster
naive tusk
@novel shard it doesn’t matter if runs are long or short
novel shard
Ok, thank you very much!
naive tusk
So die all you want if you want to speed them up lol
native ether
Its important to note that some characters only appear in the house if you match specific criteria for them.
novel shard
Aah! 😮
stiff stone
Good call
native ether
Like Meg only shows up if you beat Meg (though I believe it counts as beating her if she acts as a support sister), Than only shows up (initially, think this eventually changes) when you find him in a run.
naive tusk
Kill Meg then die, yay
novel shard
Ok, grand! I appreciate the tips 🙏
Haha, I'll try to drown myself in the health pool on the way to the next level
native ether
Sisyphus, Eurydice, and Patroclus are obviously dependent on finding their room. Most of the others don't have any conditions, but which npcs are available in the house is somewhat random (some are usually not available)
naive tusk
And get Dionysus keepsake with the hopes of getting Premium Vintage 🍷
native ether
Yeah nectar farming is easiest when you run dionysus heavy builds
novel shard
Time to party 🍷
stiff stone
i bought a lot of nectar as well
native ether
the best farming builds are definitely Poseidon/Dionysus cause they have the resource generation boons
stiff stone
troves have a chance of dropping a nectar as well
native ether
I played this game too much so I had a lot of it left over from earlier updates to spend lol.
naive tusk
I’m saving all these extras for when updates come
stiff stone
same here
native ether
They do, though its lower than it used to be. No harm in taking troves anyways. Now that they never cost keys its just free resource generation
stiff stone
oh they used to cost keys?
iiinteresting
i wish I could play older versions, I started playing after the Welcome to Hell patch
native ether
troves used to cost keys when they were higher tier, contractor upgrades at the time didnt exist
well they did, its just all contractor upgrades at the time were cosmetic
stiff stone
that would make for a neat addition, allow the contractor to have troves be locked, but be worth more
we'd get a way of spending keys as well this way
scarlet urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/682306310595018841/unknown.png
I attempted to get shield of light again.
Instead I got every other god except Athena. Only at the very last moment did I get Brilliant riposte... literally right before the end.
sacred folio
I kinda hope I can convert my keys / nectars to gemstones / darkness
Especially the keys. They quickly become useless and starts to pile up
stiff stone
true, whenever I get the special for keys I get all giddy lol
sacred folio
But keys are still worth picking up for all the rerolls, which makes the piling up situation worse.
stiff stone
@scarlet urchin that's one of the hardest legendaries to get imo
scarlet urchin
I think I started playing just before the long winter update...? At most a couple days before.
ahh ok. Well that makes me feel a little better because I've attempted a lot...
stiff stone
yea, it's because you NEED brilliant riposte, which is not that common
and not that good.. tbh
@sacred folio I do pick keys for rerolls as well sometimes, it's handy to always have some on hand
scarlet urchin
Yea. I've looked up which boons I need to get it. Because I wasn't sure... most other boons I got through natural gameplay. I'm trying to complete the fated list.
stiff stone
yea, there's been some feedback for it over time, I hope it gets changed
sacred folio
@scarlet urchin I'd suggest start a run without using Athena's keepsake. But only start equipping her keepsake if you see her boons appearing in Tartarus.
stiff stone
I mean, aphro's legendary has 3! lol
sacred folio
This means your run is naturally blessed with Athena to begin with
scarlet urchin
Yea I was about to try that tactic instead after this run.
stiff stone
How do you like the game so far?
scarlet urchin
I've been playing it nonstop in my free time.. xD
sacred folio
@stiff stone Aphrodite's Legendary boon has only two available boons as prerequisites. Still 100% more than Athena's
stiff stone
i think it's three, according to that Imgur tree at least
@scarlet urchin happy to hear it hehe
scarlet urchin
Ironically I got Aphrodites legendary boon without even trying. I took it when I saw it for the fated list and because I was curious.
sacred folio
Well the image is built from the wiki which might be outdated. And this: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Aphrodite#Boon_Progression
sacred folio
It's "any one of Sweet Surrender or Empty Inside".
jagged cairn
I had a run yesterday where I got Aphrodite Legendary in Tartarus. lol
sacred folio
Well that's why I prefer the good old table. It's less likely to get it wrong.
Talk about actual gameplay: I just finished a Chaos shield run with some boons from Demeter / Poseidon / others. I was offered the chance of getting their Duo boon but I didn't take after some hesitation.
stiff stone
the Deme/Poseidon duo is always good, even on it's own
fallow nymph
Hi, i'm new to the game and was wondering how to increase the gauge used for Poseidon's aid?
stiff stone
it fills up when you deal/take damage
fallow nymph
Thanks!
stiff stone
It's usually slow, but there are some boons which increase that rate
sacred folio
The Duo makes Poseidon's cast unable to apply Boiling Blood, and it loses the tracking ability.
stiff stone
right, well it depends how much you rely on his cast
if I rely on slam damage, I don't take it
sacred folio
It became a slow moving AOE damage, which is kinda like Ares' cast without Hunting Blades
... and it can't bounce from walls
stiff stone
the vortexes deal much more damage than boiling blood
like.. 10% out of 200 is 20
and a single vortex can easily do more than that
let alone when the screen is full of them
sacred folio
Yeah. It could work well if it actually hits enemies.
stiff stone
true
it's situational, like most things in Hades lol
I like it regardless, but that's just my prefference
stiff stone
hmm do you have the call?
fallow nymph
yep Poseidon's one
jagged cairn
It resets after each room
sacred folio
Yes. Reseting and filling up are different things.
stiff stone
the charges don't carry between rooms, that would be op
so use them while you have them hehe
stiff stone
Try for a Poseidon sword with the deme/poseidon duo, it'll melt anything
sacred folio
Looks like I need to git gud with hitting fast moving enemies with the Duo
stiff stone
you just kinda have to shoot it and stunlock them in there
or just flood the room with them lol
i do the latter
sacred folio
Carpet bombing sounds more reliable. And it's fun
stiff stone
always hehe
jagged cairn
Does Explosive Return have a chance to Crit from Artemis special or only the throw?
sacred folio
I don't believe so but I haven't verified it in any way.
jagged cairn
It is affected by the damage boost though, so that would be weird.
pallid dagger
anyone know how soon the next update goes live?
sacred folio
The time to next update is on the game's main menu screen I believe.
chrome geyser
Like 15 days last i checked
digital axle
what ways can you make use of an underlevelled guan yu
chrome geyser
Go for aphrodite for the life affirmation boon to mitigate
And go for general damage reduction boons
Athena, aphrodite, dionysus have those.
scarlet urchin
Question... how does one get to the point that they can give feedback...? Because I think I have feedback I haven't yet seen suggested but I can't send it.
I thought of it now as I'm playing running into one of them.
chrome geyser
I would also do a special focused build; and play ranged
Give feedback? You mean you can post at #hades-feedback
Read the pinned message there for the instructions on how to gain posting privileges there
scarlet urchin
... huh.. I guess Discord was acting off the first day I joined here. Because I couldn't see any channel pins.
Thank you. ^^
chrome geyser
No prob; i agree with discord not being the most intuitive of web apps
novel shard
Is there any reward for clearing all the tunnels? 🤔
jagged cairn
I got Hermes Heroic movement speed boost and 2 Ignited Ichor. This is stupidly fast.
digital axle
whatever is in thsoe tunnels
that is your reward
if youre breezing through them, clear them all
if you are struggling, dont bother
native ether
Because Hermes is ALL speed buffs, a lot of his buffs are redundant (more dashes, more speed, more speed after dashing, etc) or they're not very impactful (12% faster special......ok?). A lot of people really don't like drift dash because of how awkward it is to control, I'd really like it if Hermes had at least ONE damage-dealing boon. Replace Drift Dash with a boon that makes you deal damage to enemies when dashing through them or something like that would be nice. A lot of times with Hermes I feel like I'm either fishing for a very specific boon (like greater recall or flurry cast) or I just don't care about him at all because I'd much rather have Daedalus hammers or other olympians. Giving a little more spice to Hermes would make him feel like a lot less of a side man.
Although it's not the main point of the post, I would hardly consider any of Hermes' buffs redundant, especially not extra dashes. Things like additional attack speed are also very helpful, but more weapon dependent. (They're a godsend on weapons like the rail)
chrome viper
tbf Drift Dash and Greater Haste are redundant, and between Drift Dash and Greatest Reflex the additional dashes are always the better option
I don't think there's anyone who actively seek Drift Dash, and it just comes off as the worse movement option compared to the rest
sacred idol
Drift Dash is significantly more fun and I always take it if I don't need another option more.
turbid needle
I'd say Drift Dash is strictly superior to Greater Haste.
And I'll take it over Common Greatest Reflex.
hollow sorrel
I just want one speed upgrade for the chariots and minotaur. I don't care which speed upgrade it is
turbid needle
except Common Greater Haste
stiff stone
damn this dude started a 🔥 lol
jagged cairn
I just got Hunting Blades as my 3rd boon. lol
One Ares, one Artemis, then the Duo. lol
Wait, 2 Ares boons.
chrome viper
yeah I suppose Drift Dash is like the emergency option in case you get common GR/GH
since rarity only affects its uptime, not how much speed it gives
though I think rarity is completely irrelevant for it anyways since your dash is probably ready once Drift Dash stops
sacred idol
Nah.
Rarity means you zoom longer
So it's obviously better
You don't need it to eat your Eurydice buff. But it is good to have longer drift, because you get the ability to literally run out of AOEs on no Overtime, and just that much more distance for a chance at evading even with overtime.
jagged cairn
Should I go for an extra cast or +61% cast damage for Hunting Blades?
odd quarry
I would say extra cast
It takes longer to do, but you have more flexibility with the extra damage on it
weary lagoon
Does anyone know if sweet nectar affects the necter random poms too? it should no?
and life affirmation does it stack with premium vintage?
primal cape
What's sweet nectar again?
pallid dagger
Just completed my first 16 heat run!!
primal cape
congrats
weary lagoon
Sweet nectar is a duo with posidon and aphrodite that increases poms of power potency by 1. While life affrimation is an aphroditie boon that increases all healing and life up effects? and premium vintage is a dionysus boon that any nectar picked up increases ur hp by a set amount. And finally nectar has the ability with the contractor to do the effect of a pom of power on 1 random boon. Another quesiton is Eudyrice's food item as well does that stack?
The question is do these all stack
dim abyss
idk if euridice's pom porridge counts as a pom, it might be a separate entity
primal cape
I think eudyrice food item is likely to stack though I'm not sure if it'd be multiplicative or addative
the nectar part I don't know
weary lagoon
The ultimate quesiton should be that if u have these boons and u pick up a nectar, will u gain life and then more life, get a +2 to a random boon? i would argue they should all stack thus giving a new strategy to runners.
same with pom porridge should be a +2 to 4 random boons.
astral magnet
doesn't life affirmation say it only works on room drop life ups
yeah, specifies it's from chamber rewards, and the health up from nectar is granted from a boon
dim abyss
i was disappointed to find that artemis arrows + aspect of chiron special only resulted in 1 extra arrow per special press (and not 1 for every arrow fired. that would be disgusting for a common boon, but my ape brain likes seeing big numbers)
well interestingly enough, the bow's special applies 1 stack of demeter's chill, and if u have winter freeze (10 stacks of chill = explosion) on top of a special that applies chill, bow special will stack winter freezes really fast
and it requires one base demeter boon and a rare-tier one, so its not like, that hard to find
prime knoll
The ones that say they affect chamber rewards do indeed say just that, but the distinction also feels a bit misleading. All rewards you get in a chamber could be construed as chamber rewards- and in fact nectar is a chamber reward that grants additional life when you have that boon, so it is indirectly a chamber reward.
I suppose it all falls into the question of "What are chamber rewards narratively compared to secondary boon effects and whatnot?"
astral magnet
the nectar is a chamber reward, the life up portion is only granted from the boon though
do chaos boons that grant more life gain a boost from aphrodite, since they trigger on a room clear i think?
prime knoll
Indeed- I get the code logic, but I think it poses the question of what is Life Affirmation for instance doing? Why does it only affect centaur hearts and the extra HP from darkness rewards? The latter's life gain wasn't the listed reward.
I do not know about the chaos rewards. 
I get a feeling they don't.
astral magnet
oh it affects HP from darkness rewards? that seems a bit odd then
prime knoll
Although Chaos' effects seem to operate outside all other things- mechanically and narratively.
Yeah, it'll boost those gains from 5 to ~7 usually
which adds up given how trigger-happy the game is about darkness chambers.
astral magnet
might be clearer and just a bit more consistent if it just boosted centaur hearts overall, but didn't affect darkness gains, although that might need a slight number reduction with how many shop hearts you could get
primal cape
how do you use sword more effectively?
prime knoll
depends how effectively you currently use it XD
primal cape
I guess that's just a bad way to ask what I meant
astral magnet
i hope the gods can be romanceable in future, i gave a bunch of nectar to artemis then found out she wasn't an option
prime knoll
@primal cape What seem to be your hangups with it?
haha, I did the same with Artemis. 😅
primal cape
I feel like I lack damage when I use sword
that's about it
I most likely lack sword mechanic knowledge
prime knoll
I am by no means an expert with the sword, but I usually focus on boon and hammer combos for the Special
astral magnet
the upgrade that gives you 70% HP reduction but 2HP recovered per attack helps for damage output with the sword a lot, since you can charge right in and spam a lot of calls
primal cape
I tried sword with the fast attack upgrade from daedelus, and the wave upgrade from daedelus
Having that paired with the mini cast from artemis everytime you attacked/casted/specialed made the flat damage pretty solid
I think I'd have to get used to that upgrade, I basically ran it down the first time I used it
finite violet
a good combo if you're lucky with hammers is super nova paired with double nova
esp if you get like zeus/dio boon with the special
astral magnet
it's super fun for me up until styx where i just get insta-killed by poison
god i hate poison
prime knoll
I generally see the sentiment that the sword's attacks are riskier than most other weapons. It also changes quite a bit with the hammer upgrades- the single base-90 attack is good for sheer amplification boons like Aphrodite while the flurry attack can go well with attacks that apply stacks- Dionysus, Demeter, or even Zeus (not stacking but fast application of chain lightning is effective)
finite violet
the poison sucks
dim abyss
patroclus spear makes temple of styx less awful
astral magnet
i wish it at least cleared automatically on a room clear
primal cape
I haven't done that deadelus upgrade combo before
but so far I feel like daedelus upgrades on sword are just anticlimatic
dim abyss
it works against poison and lasers, and broken spear makes life so much easier in final boss fight
finite violet
i did that upgrade combo and lucked out with zeus boons (lightning special + jolted + chain lightning)
and p much won by spamming special over and over and over while hopping about like an insane rabbit
primal cape
I think if the wave daedelus upgrade scaled with boons it would help sword alot
astral magnet
i had a great special combo with the sword with poseidon special + more special range + poseidon/zeus combo for lightning on knockback
primal cape
the damage is a flat 25 and doesn't apply any affects from what I can tell
finite violet
truth be told, i think sword is mostly made or broke by boons/hammers
prime knoll
I almost always insta-pick the bigger AoE for special
dim abyss
huh
finite violet
oh oops sorry forgot about language
dim abyss
oh wait theres a language filter? lol
astral magnet
extra range on the special is so nice for clearing out little guys
prime knoll
I want to like the double special but it no longer knocking back is a kick in the pants.
finite violet
i think if you et athena's deflect on the doublt special if evens out
astral magnet
it'd be good for stacking status i guess, with demeter or something
finite violet
or poseidons
prime knoll
aye, that's how I usually use it, but it makes the sword even more risky.
astral magnet
or the hermes special speed up and just spam as much as possible
primal cape
the only thing about sword that I started applying is
3rd hit on sword does good damage however you can't dash out so if you aren't sure just spam first attack second attack
also if you get the ranges right and you know your special range in addition to your dash, you can special dash as the special is about to land, attack (and land a dash attack)
prime knoll
yeah! special dashing with pretty much anything is a ton of fun.
finite violet
oh i never tried that before :ua
prime knoll
the anim for the sword special in particular has windup during which you can dash so that it lands instantly in your new location. 10/10
primal cape
yeah it allows you to stay away from enemies and do a good burst of damage
finite violet
hmmm i might practice that next time i take sword for a whirl
primal cape
otherwise you always are in risk of taking damage
like I said before you could special dash attack then dash away and almost never get hit
astral magnet
how do y'all feel about the shield anyhow? for me it feels effective but not that interesting unless you get lucky with special perks and just frisbee everything to death
finite violet
i like combining Poseidon with shield attack
become
the pinball of death
and the block is nice too
primal cape
I really wish the shield and sword variations (zagerus) had something more going for them
naive tusk
Zag shield is introductory to the better aspects that are Chaos and Zeus
primal cape
the shield feels so awkward to kill enemies unless you get a special build/dash build
earnest ravine
The Zagreus shield is underwhelming, but both other aspects are great for different reasons.
prime knoll
I want to like it. I generally find the idea of using a shield to bash your way to victory very cool. That said, I agree that it doesn't feel terribly interesting. Much of its power is in being able to block forever, but I'd like to see an 'active block' (like real life blocking) where you don't just hold up the shield, you meet your foe's attack with the shield to most effectively stop the damage and possibly stagger them in the process.
astral magnet
oh the zeus aspect sounds a lot more interesting yeah
primal cape
zagereus shield while I understand it should be beginner, the other beginner aspects have more reasons to pick them
earnest ravine
The zeus one is SO FUN please believe me, just don't try and use its special like you use the base shield special, it works wholly differently
finite violet
oh like a parry style?
astral magnet
part of why i don't like it is just the single hit for the basic attack, it just feels a bit stilted
prime knoll
@finite violet more or less, yeah
primal cape
the shield basic attack is the most underwhelimg auto in the game (unless you have poseidon and punch fools across the room)
astral magnet
dash attack-regular-repeat is kinda okay, but still not the best
primal cape
I miss when shield had more interesting charge mechanics
finite violet
a parry style sounds a lot more engaging but also high-risk/high-rewards
prime knoll
like if the basic shield attack was an aggressive (damaging) block, so timing your attacks became more of the style of the shield so they you could wade through melee without taking damage.
astral magnet
shield being able to absorb damage blocked for a boost in damage output but it breaks if you absorb too much could be neat
primal cape
you used to be able to charge the shield, start the launch animation of the shield and dash into any direction and hit a target
naive tusk
@earnest ravine my comrade in arms #ZeusAspectLove
primal cape
you could make it to where you launch straight, the dash left and hit more targets than you otherwise could in a linear path
prime knoll
I do like bull rush pretty well. Hmm. It just doesn't nail the shield fantasy for me. I generally prefer the rail and bow because I feel like their mechanics correlate to their theme best for me.
@naive tusk lol
earnest ravine
I have a weapon and darn will I stick with it.
primal cape
my only weapons I dislike are sword and shield
prime knoll
I still need to give Zeus Aspect some more attention
primal cape
I haven't gotten to dive into most of the aspects yet, I have all the ones for bow unlocked
I have all basic aspects maxed
prime knoll
Her-AAAA!
primal cape
is hera the one for casts on bow?
prime knoll
aye
primal cape
that one feels so awkward ot use because it takes too long to put all your casts into that bow
naive tusk
@prime knoll if you feel like using ZA, try Artemis or Zeus Special
prime knoll
It's kind of the only way I utilize cast.
primal cape
like you shoot and wait 2 seconds to put all 3 in
prime knoll
I've always built zeus on zeus for those lightning bolts
I'm still this side of 'feeling' that special, though.
primal cape
Also I can't remember if this is true or not but the damage enhancement on rail (that also amplifies special damage)
I think also affects companion damage output
naive tusk
I see you want to make Skelly suffer even more
finite violet
its ok skelly can take it
naive tusk
He gets paid for that 😂
prime knoll
or does he?
dense locust
Oh yeah, Hades time
earnest ravine
Just lost a death defiance on a 32 Heat run to Alecto's axeblade hitting me mid phase transition against Tisiphone. Gonna be honest, not too happy about that
twilit stag
Just restart, it's not like the first stage is hard even on 32 heat
earnest ravine
I mean I know that, but it still is more than a little annoying.
It was annoying having a mostly good run up to that point and getting chunked for like, 42 HP without being able to react.
twilit stag
If you give up you will start with the same seed
twilit stag
Lol
dense locust
@earnest ravine I doubt that was an intended interaction
Feels like everything is supposed to reset between phases
hollow sorrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32lcYKD5a9g That fight has lots of unintended interactions
dense locust
Yeah I hate the furies
earnest ravine
PROBABLY not, honestly, and it got to me because I was having a super fun time with how that was going. I'd only eaten like, 2 or 3 hits on the way there (one of which was my fault, tbf), but then that just killed my mood.
primal cape
is twin shot or power shot better?
earnest ravine
Twin
dense locust
I mean, everything is situational, but twin shot is usually better
primal cape
why is that?
earnest ravine
More damage applied a lot faster than needing to charge for the Power Shot.
dense locust
and reliable
ACtually i did say everything is situational, but I can't think of a time that power shot would have been better
hollow sorrel
is powershot really the perfect shot hammer?
dense locust
ha thats what I was thinking of
didn't even think about it
I assume that's what they meant
primal cape
power shot might be better for high % boons like athena/poseidon/aphro
while twin shot is better for applying dio/artemis crit/demeter freeze
dim abyss
power shot also just takes too much time to set up the juicy 300% arrow, its way harder to find time to get an arrow out safely
earnest ravine
Plus I think it applies your attack boon twice, but don't quote me. Just it scales really well compared to the single slow shot, whether it's a flat damage increase or a percentage one.
hollow sorrel
twin shot can be a lot of damage. I'd use it with high % boons
dense locust
Perfect shot is only +100%
hollow sorrel
Theoretically, powershotting a twin shot would be like +100% anyway, I think?
dense locust
Just to be clear, perfect shot is +100% to power shot, explosive is +300% attack but charges slower
hollow sorrel
and if you have the marked status, twin shot means more chances for marked
dense locust
Well when I get explosive shot, I turn into a melee bow build using dash attack
dim abyss
yeah, i only get explosive shot if i have like demeter or poseidon buff on attack so i can actually make time to draw the bow
dense locust
Don't think ive ever had explosive with twin though
That could be a lot of fun
if they both really deal+300% damage
hollow sorrel
Flurry shot can also be a big upgrade. even though it's normally 50 base damage, most people only powershot on dash attacks, which is 40 base damage
dense locust
I had chain shot with flurry shot and ares attack and it was really good for a secondary damage and status
hollow sorrel
Flurry shot and twin shot is also a nice combo
sacred folio
Damage-wise, Perfect Shot is almost always worse than Twin Shot since its damage bonus is additive to other sources of +% damage bonuses (mostly boons), thus suffering from diminishing returns.
chrome geyser
So had a run; and someone forgot to send the gods memo that this was NOT a poseidon sword build
digital axle
I thought dionysus abilities were pretty mediocre for damage
but with the aegis spin shield, its quite good
on special
carried my entire run
earnest ravine
YEAH
digital axle
Dionysis, Demeter, and Aphrodite
Low Tolerance ended up making things stack to 8
hangover was pulling 13 per tick x8
plus 50% for double curse
oblique tusk
dio does good damage on chiron, the rail, and the shield
waxen imp
@digital axle dio is good if you know how to use it
basically put all your poms into poison, run pierced butterfly
oblique tusk
and get either aphro or demeter for easy priv status
oblique tusk
oh yeah Eris is imo the single best weapon for Dio builds
waxen imp
spread fire = ez full stacks
oblique tusk
the single issue is that it's slightly less smooth to get priv status than with other weapons
just because of the bomb's airtime
waxen imp
i don't think that's a problem
oblique tusk
and the fact that the rocket makes eris wack
waxen imp
you have dash
oblique tusk
demeter dash blows though
keen ocean
Rocket's not good for Eris. I recommend the triple bomb.
oblique tusk
aphro dash works tho yh
waxen imp
i'm talking about aphro dash
keen ocean
Poseidon is good too, if you can get Rupture on it.
waxen imp
i was thinking about using dio dash though and testing it
keen ocean
Dio's dash kinda sucks, though it's nice that it pings a few times.
oblique tusk
dio dash has horrible poison damage
waxen imp
dio anything is good as long as you put all your poms into it
keen ocean
Fair.
oblique tusk
imo if you using dio dash it's just for priv status
waxen imp
it doesn't matter, just put all your poms into it and it will boost up hard
oblique tusk
yeah, but dash takes like 5 more poms than attack to get the same damage
4?
between 3 and 5
which is a lot of poms
especially for people that don't have high-level fated authority
waxen imp
oh yeah that's true
oblique tusk
let's call it 4 poms
waxen imp
usually i change my centaur hearts to poms
oblique tusk
4 poms is a lot of rerolls even for someone with 10 points
and for someone with let's say 4 base fated authority
earnest ravine
And that's also assumnig the pom selection lets you pump the dash up.
waxen imp
it usually does
oblique tusk
that's all 4 fated authority rolls you've just spent on making your dash almost as good as the attack would be
...if you only had 2 poms on attack
3-5 extra poms is a lot
waxen imp
well that's why i wanna test
because you can put something else on attack if you have poison on dash
and dash poison stacks up fast
oblique tusk
so does attack poison
keen ocean
With the rail, especially.
oblique tusk
on the weapons you'd use attack with
er
just rail, rather
special for chiron and shield
waxen imp
like say, demeter attack, dio dash
keen ocean
Flurry sword and spear, can do it, too.
waxen imp
this is true, but we're focusing on rail because eris is op
keen ocean
I got a really good run with Dio's special and cast and legendary with triple bomb.
The final boss became an easy cycle of cast-bomb-bomb-bomb and repeat.
waxen imp
that doesn't sound like it gets consistent stacks
oblique tusk
it doesn't, yeah
keen ocean
With Eris and Dio's legendary, it basically tripled the poison damage, since he pursues you pretty constantly.
The uptime on poison is more important than the attacks.
waxen imp
and how was the uptime on the poison
keen ocean
Constant. I just stood in place and spammed the cycle on my own position.
It only went down when he went invisible, and that happens regardless of how you're poisoning him.
oblique tusk
hm
sounds mediocre in theory
but if it worked in practice
then obviously it works lmao
keen ocean
Having the High Tolerance boon probably helped.
First time anyone's said that, I'll bet.
waxen imp
and how was your build before hades fight
digital axle
I like how as I get better at this
the bosses become more trivial
because I know whats gonna happen
earnest ravine
big mood, tbh
digital axle
that too
keen ocean
Also had the slow-while-poisoned boon from Dio and the chill-when-you-cast boon from Demeter.
digital axle
but Im getting better at clearing all the way to hades even with complete trash
I had a run where I only got one nonsupport boon once
that was painful
oblique tusk
i just find those runs absurdly unfun
i wish the devs made more ways of mitigating ridiculously frustrating runs
like
"picks ares keepsake"
ares boon first one
literally no ares boon the rest of the run
keen ocean
Yeah, it really should sprinkle in way more of whatever you start with.
oblique tusk
generally, when you pick a god keepsake, you want that god to show up...
keen ocean
Also wish there was a way to reroll hammer boons.
oblique tusk
same tbh
keen ocean
Ooh, that could be a fun thing in the surface biome. (I am dumb) Maybe like Hephaestus' workshops where you can reforge your weapons?
keen ocean
Oh, well, that's a shame.
I dunno why I thought that was a thing.
Also, didn't know about the roadmap, that's a thing I should look up.
But I stand by the workshop idea.
digital axle
Poseidon builds are just fun to watch once you get all the knockbacks
but awful against bosses
so are the other aspects, aside from guan yu
not implemented>
each weapon has a ?? aspect
opal bay
There are more aspects to come indeed!
sacred idol
There is literally only one reason to use Zagreus Shield other than not having the blood for a real aspect: Charged Throw is only available on it for the fated list. It's also kind of a bad hammer.
sacred idol
Oh lul. I was like six hours behind the chatlog
Dio dash is way better than attack or special on low hitcount weapons though...
@digital axle shield has real aspects though
I mean there's 0 reason to use zagreus instead of chaos or zeus
Besides not having blood
opal bay
Ngl I seen that one run which was basically "get hit to win" and I really want it.
Only concern really is how to byild it
keen ocean
If you need that kinda DR, just use Godhood.
sacred idol
Yeah lul
Or deadass take DR boons
Even the crappiest ones kinda replace the zag shield
green compass
Zagreus spear is fun
But that's off a personal love for the boomerang spear
Does chiron bow need to be upgraded a certain amount to be good? Right now the lock on deals less total damage then base shots
green compass
Welp I think mines at 5 right now
Is it better to start with an aphro boon or a artemis one
green compass
I do really like demeters, I remember seeing people talk about aphro dyonisys combo but havent actually seen it in action
naive tusk
It’s basically Aphrodite attack + Dionysus special + their duo
green compass
Arties special is crits right?
naive tusk
Yes
sacred idol
Yup
green compass
So I just need to have both of a duo and it then has a chance to show up?
green compass
I think I did that with the rail gun when I tried to get more titian blood
Is that the more crit dmg on weak?
Are the odds good for the duo to show up or is it just praying to rnjesus
fallow nymph
Hi, may i ask how to reload manually on the rail gun? I am using a controller.
sacred folio
Press the right analog stick. Or consider remapping it to left bumper for easier access
The game doesn't have a button icon for right analog stick yet.
last nacelle
You reload by shaking the controller, and if your controller doesn't have gyro you're screwed because it can't be remapped.
fallow nymph
Thanks for the suggestions xD
last nacelle
Throw your controller to use the spear special attack.
green compass
And toss the controller upward to use rail guns mortar
last nacelle
Yell into your controller's microphone to activate divine aid.
green compass
Smack your controller into the desk for sword special
last nacelle
Unplug your controller when you get ended by a styx trap.
This isn't an input, it's just so you don't rip the cord when you rage throw it in 2 seconds.
Lick the touchpad on your controller to drink from fountains.
Use the reel on your controller to catch fish.
green compass
When you die you must impale your controller with bladed objects to respawn
soft harbor
sooo i dont know what exactly happened here, but i had this build- which was really strong eventually when it came together...
but the weird thing was
uh, the last boss' HP like... disappeared
in the second phase, half of it was just like... gone after the wave attack
anyone uh, know anything about that
steep belfry
what is the requirement for unlock guan yu? I have unlocked all spear aspect, with both Hades and Zagreus lv 5 and achilles lv 3
soft harbor
i remember talking to Achilles and he eventually says "hey here's a magic trick"
oblique tusk
@soft harbor you accidentally put true shot, battie, zag aspect, and unhealthy fixation on there twice
i feel like one or two duplicates would just be a joke, but 4 seems like an accident
soft harbor
oop, i was clicking between the game and photoshop and wasn't spot checking myself
soft harbor
oh, i know what happened. my first screenshot i didn't bother to organize and it was just whatever the game put there first
so one of those panels of 5 could just be ignored
oblique tusk
...which one?
soft harbor
the first 5 looks like was the Default screenshot
regardless, something made the last boss REALLY REALLY dead REALLY REALLY quick
with very little input from me
tidal fulcrum
Quick question: is spending titan blood final? Or can I reallocate later?
nimble cypress
You know what would be cool? If you killed the final boss without taking damage and it caused Hades to say he's proud of you.
oblique tusk
Hades
saying he's proud of Zagreus
I didn't know the eternal winter had spread to Hell
soft harbor
you cant get titan blood back after putting it into aspects at the moment
oblique tusk
(jokes aside that would be really cool)
nimble cypress
I mean, a flawless victory against the final boss is the ultimate achievement
distant basin
Hey, is there a max capping on God Mode?
sacred idol
@plain pewter Without getting hit? That would make Cursed Slash significantly weaker and unusable on high heat.
@distant basin 80%
All DR caps at 80% globally.
distant basin
Nice.
sacred idol
Keep in mind, if you hit 80, you cannot benefit at all from Take Less Damage boons.
plain pewter
yeah... it would have to be a really generous amount of HP per kill to compensate for the low chance of it actually occurring in higher difficulties, but then again if that were the case then it wouldn't be as flawed as most vampirism effects are expected to be.
idk, basically just threw that out of left field bc while inconsistent its at least considerable in concept
distant basin
I just need to die 10 times more.
sacred idol
Mmm, no, it'd just be kind of awful to have a Pierced Butterfly condition on the SWORD
More importantly: They would have to code it to track hit registration per enemy
plain pewter
a weird way the would have to do it in the current build would basically be the food items
distant basin
No idea what you guys are talking about because my understanding of the game mechanics is pretty basic and I am okay with that: An Autobiography.
plain pewter
like the ones you get from the 15% chance of getting a healing item charon well buff
what do you think of knockback on the base sword attack? sure you can get posseidon for a knockback/wall slam dmg build, but sword only gets kb on the thrust which is super slow
sacred idol
mmmm, knocking stuff out of your range doesn't sound ideal
mild crag
DR doesn't actually cap at 80% from my further investigation (I believe I said it did at some point before so my bad)
It's just multiplicative instead of additive
50% damage resist + 50% damage resist = 75% damage resist for example
God Mode still does cap at 80% though
But God mode damage reduction is added separately after the damage reduction effects you have, which are applied individually themselves
that's all, off I disappear to bed now
versed tide
I honestly want to see what happens when you give a new player on the very 1st playthrough a mirror+weapon+companion with full upgrades
at heat 0 there is a chance that that person could beat the game on 1st try
astral magnet
depends on how used they are to the style of combat in general
like someone who’s beat furi will have a better chance than someone who only plays tetris or something
versed tide
my biggest shock was realizing that I'm not actually good at the game, it's how insanely stronger I got with upgrades
astral magnet
practice with the mirror stuff off I guess
versed tide
and the game takes its sweet time to unlock companions
a fully upgraded bouldy is stupid strong
wooden pagoda
dim rapids
@slim kernel did you have piercing fire? piercing fire goes through shields
that may be the reason why it goes through shields, else it would be blocked
green compass
The game did take a lot less time to fully finish than gungeon, honestly when I beat final boss for the first time it felt kinda hollow since the only reason I failed the first time was I didnt buy a second charge of dd yet
astral magnet
the game's a fair bit more drop-reliant than gungeon at least, but it's still super fun to play so i'm cool with it
wish there was an option to turn down effects a bit though
primal cape
the exception of the price of kiss of styx & the yarn
I think all the items cost so little from charon's well
sacred idol
@distant basin turns out I was repeating wrong information, read Kossetsu's reply to find out how Damage Reduction really works - boons are still useful on God mode
primal cape
is it better dps to only user power shot on bow off of dash or to not to?
I just noticed the wiki says dash off of power shot is 40 while not dashing is 60
sacred idol
@slim kernel I think that's only in some cases, he definitely blocks it sometimes
dim rapids
piercing fire goes through shields
doesn't matter what you use
hestia shots do not go through greatshields or thesus shield
dusky drum
what does the dio legendary do??
I did a hera run with scintillating feast and it was fun
and i just finished a artemis x hera bow and I had liike 8 projectiles on one shot