so that leaves, hm
#h1-builds-and-combat
rancid shore
I took it back but only because she wanted to be independent
sacred idol
so technically, you can readily spend 45 ambrosia on blood if you take back dusa's gifts
and if not, that's 30 bloods, I'd guess?
stiff stone
don't spend it on blood tho
stiff stone
save it for the update, we might be able to advance other relationships
sacred idol
true
stiff stone
and buying ambrosia is expensive, 2 diamons.. o,O
sacred idol
already spent 12 though
stiff stone
i spend my keys on it whenever the special pops up
earnest ravine
Once you run out of nectar uses Diamonds are way easier to get, so the trade helps a lot.
stiff stone
true
rancid shore
god bless my broker; they've been giving me ambrosia and blood deals for the keys i no longer need
rancid shore
u rite
stiff stone
so lucky! @rancid shore
sacred idol
but only 2 attacks :c
sacred idol
Worth using at 4 ranks?
stiff stone
for sure
stiff stone
hf!
sacred idol
it really kinda flies too far before sticking in place
and too slowly
honestly, you know what would be way more fun?
if it just followed you
or you could make it do so
sacred idol
yeah, so you'd have a legit buzzsaw
no like fly in front of your face and just follow as you move
uncut plank
I was thinking about a daed hammer upg for like zeus apsect in particular where it just orbits you instead of you sending it out
stiff stone
ah
uncut plank
I think that would be so cool to have aspect-specific hammer upgrades
rancid shore
is the thing still in where if you spam Qspecial with explosive return on zeus, you just keep exploding?
sacred idol
lul
chrome geyser
VERY IMPORTANT PSA: Do NOT take rare crop if you have Dionysus cast and any of the duo boons (Scintillating Feast/Ice Wine); cultivating the base cast removes their effect.
I submitted a bug report; but now I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to defeat the final boss.
OK; it just removes Ice Wine; the lightning bolts still work.
chrome geyser
Yup. The +50% is still there i think; the cast does more damage than i expect on a full-health not-debuffed enemy. But there is no application of chill.
And the animation is still lobbing a cast; not the instant blast.
Ice wine probably upgrades the animation when it's taken; and rare crop probably removes the boon and replaces with the new rarity version. So the changes probably get overwritten.
Wish me luck; going to face the speary boi
waxen imp
i actually did have dual shot, idk why it isn't showing
chrome viper
I only see support fire and pressure points there
waxen imp
i always wanted to know how it felt to be a brimstone
chrome viper
I did get that build once but I couldn't beat the final boss 
chrome geyser
does explosive fire work with hestia?
Or do i take triple bomb?
The third hammer is spread fire and that does not work with hestia; i know that
waxen imp
what's your attack boon
waxen imp
you can't go wrong with triple bomb so you can take that to be safe
or you can try out explosive fire
chrome geyser
so i checked; and there is a patch note that said "fixed hestia aspect and spread fire interaction"
looks like it works
waxen imp
yeet
sacred cloak
Can somebody explain to me, how you are supposed to play the spear?
I don't really see what kinds of boons are useful on it yet
chrome geyser
oh yeah IT WORKS
waxen imp
which aspect
hardy crow
Depends on the aspect
chrome geyser
chrome geyser
i usually play the spear main attack; special to apply effects.
Guan yu is really fun on special
waxen imp
put ares on special and get chain skewer
chrome geyser
I don't bother spinning on any aspect unless i have the hammer upgrade that makes spins faster.
And do a lot of dash strikes.
Pretty much spear is sword but much higher range.
runic radish
Guys where is machinegun
waxen imp
chain skewer will lock on to everything and apply doom to everyone
mellow quest
you have to unlock the other 4 weapons before the rail appears in the armory
runic radish
Okay thx
mellow quest
ye
waxen imp
get Serrated Edge and it's god
mellow quest
but athena dash is still the best
chrome viper
there's a hammer upgrade that lets you hit 3 times per dash strike
yeah serrated edge
so you can run that too
mellow quest
outside of serrated edge shenanigans
chrome viper
there's also flurry jab in case you want to proc boons multiple times like zeus or dio
though if you want to play vanilla spear most people get Exploding Launcher hammer and get a good special boon
chrome viper
so many heroic boons
chrome geyser
If you get serrated edge; which I would take ONLY if it's early, or i already have some mobility from hermes (+dash, ms after dash, ms) artemis dash becomes INSANE. Pretty much 600% attack damage in one dash strike.
mellow quest
rare crop is a fun boon
chrome geyser
Rare crop just almost killed me because of a bug.
sacred cloak
I see
mellow quest
and Euridice is a good friend'
sacred cloak
I guess, I will just have to play it a bit and learn for myself
thanks for the info!
waxen imp
i had dio special, bad influence, and chaos shield
ez
we need next update
got so much darkness
waxen imp
stiff stone
and do you find it challenging on 0 heat?
waxen imp
0 challenge
i do it for the darkness to prepare for next patch
i already did my 20 heat on all weapons
rotund wagon
uhhhhh
I deflected 2 of Hades attach and each of those attack did 1/2 of his health
which means I did his second phase in 2 second
chrome viper
do you have any charm effects by any chance?
rotund wagon
oh yeah I do
chrome viper
there's a bug when you deflect an attack from a charmed enemy
you do insane ammounts of damage
rotund wagon
Phil Swift became the latest patron god it seems
also one of those attack I deflected was his wave thing he do when the begins his second phase
which I also don't think was supposed to happen
slender mantle
Wait you deflected the wave?
rotund wagon
damn Zagerus planning to build a black hole down there?
chrome viper
I'm more impressed with the win streak
chrome geyser
i imagine the days i will farm darkness; once all my weapons are fully unlocked. Only need 25 more titan blood.
dim rapids
slight repost cause i saw the darkness farm pic above
chrome geyser
Yeah that win streak is striking. You NEVER lost a game ever?
dim rapids
i did have prior experience by watching streamers play hades though
nah i needed like 11 runs before i could kill final boss
took time to learn patterns and farm some basic darkness for the mirror
rotund wagon
and I suppose that isnt their first save file
dim rapids
nah it's my first save
rotund wagon
ok
chrome geyser
So you never lost once again after you cleared for the first time 
dim rapids
basically
chrome geyser
i watched streamers too. Well, i guess watching northernlion does more bad than good.
dim rapids
once you get the required darkness and first clear i'd argue it's pretty hard to lose unless you deliberately play like 20 heat for all runs or something
oh for me i watched celerity when he used to play it quite often
i mainly slowly turned up the heat, doing bounties 1 by 1 till everything was done
chrome geyser
I'm getting obliterated at 13 heat 😢
dim rapids
might be pact issues
chrome geyser
Also doing bounties one by one
dim rapids
what do you choose?
chrome geyser
I have +40% speed, EX bosses, and mini-boss room challenges.
dim rapids
(and also some people just can't stand certain weapons, i honestly can't stand bow unless it's on chiron for example)
chrome geyser
I think hera is the most powerful; but still like chiron cause i like that volley hitting a single enemy.
dim rapids
after my first 0 heat clear i literally took all of my titan blood and pumped it into max chiron bow
never took hera till 20
i know hera is stronger, but i just don't like it
chrome geyser
And no matter what anyone says; chiron bow goes so well with the bouncing main arrow
dim rapids
triple shot + chain shot
try that one day
richochets for days
that go through walls
(idk if that's a bug though)
chrome viper
wait what
chrome viper
I thought you couldn't get those two upgrades together
dim rapids
i'm not sure if it's a bug
sacred cloak
I don't like spear it seems
sacred cloak
way too slow and clunky
chrome viper
nice
sacred cloak
for my taste
dim rapids
hella fun in styx lmao
chrome geyser
I have been having a lot of issues getting builds together. So I'm taking a break from poseidon and hera aspect. I had 5 times in a row tried to have artemis runs and never have i seen the cast boons of artemis.
That upgrade i will try.
rotund wagon
chain shot basically works like this: once your arrow hit something it imediately turn into a homming rock
chrome viper
I get perfect(?) shot and twin shot for both zag and hera aspects
chrome geyser
Maybe later today if i get it.
chrome geyser
But i'm due for spear runs i think.
dim rapids
try to build towards merciful end
and don't get what i did from ares 3 times in a row
(this was a while back when i was leveling my random keepsakes to max, but yeah, you get the gist)
chrome geyser
What is a good build for merciful end?
dim rapids
athena dash, ares attack
spam dash attack and special
you melt literally everything
chrome geyser
I remember this image 🤣
sacred cloak
how can I post images here?
chrome viper
I tried to run merciful end with the bow once but that didnt end up well
sacred cloak
because I got some spicy builds (though they are only heat level 1)
dim rapids
i was trying to run merciful end on hera bow
chrome geyser
I swear to god; exchanges got more common.
dim rapids
just now
just to get piercing volley to complete my fated list
and i couldn't get it
chrome viper
F
dim rapids
got double exchanges twice
chrome geyser
Oh you have not completed the fated list?
dim rapids
it's done now
previously i didn't complete it because no piercing volley
like i said, literally chiron bow till 20
chrome geyser
Oh i see
dim rapids
and piercing volley isn't offered on chiron
chrome geyser
yeah that one took some time to show for me.
That and charged throw for the shield. Since does not work with chaos or zeus aspects.
It should imo
dim rapids
idk, i find i get exchanges quite a lot especially on ares
once you exhaust his boon list
chrome geyser
Chiron already is not powerful powerful.
chrome viper
I'd say its pretty good
dim rapids
for others, not really
maybe yes but
i haven't had an exchange where i actively said "i want that"
chrome geyser
So my current hestia run was fun; but did not feel powerful enough. Had artemis on attack; could not apply priviliged (only debuff I had was weak) and got hunting blades just in case i would need the damage; but did not get ares legend so damage was pitiful.
It is fun. It's AoE is very weak.
dim rapids
you don't need privileged for hestia sniper build
sacred idol
@rotund wagon I want an aspect of Phil
dim rapids
my 18-20 heat runs were hestia sniper build
artemis big boy crits
artemis on both attack/special
mainly rely on cluster bombard/triple rocket/cluster rocket to carry
chrome geyser
Artemis would not offer the everything crits boon.
Only exit wounds on my blade rift cast.
dim rapids
... you can't get exit wounds if you have blade rift though?
the game just won't give it to you
chrome geyser
I got offered exit wounds; for sure. Maybe it was before i picked up the rift though?
dim rapids
probably
chrome geyser
Artemis kept offering me marked. My crits were dealing ~1000 damage by the end but I was definitely lacking in damage unless i critted; which was rare.
chrome geyser
I'm gonna give it some more shots for sure; but maybe with aphrodite.
dim rapids
i've done so many poseidon runs where i've not seen exit wounds
so i just say screw it and go nemesis
sacred cloak
short question: obol or more life? What do you generally go for?
chrome geyser
God room?
chrome geyser
If i have 150 obols; life.
dim rapids
1 heart is 125 gold
chrome geyser
In case i'm forced into a shop.
dim rapids
by economy, heart > obol
chrome geyser
I hate not being able to buy the boon in shops.
dim rapids
doesn't matter if the shop decides to roll food/darkness/pom
sacred cloak
I see
chrome geyser
Also the limit is 200 if I am expecting a hammer.
dim rapids
i usually rarely buy anything from shops most of the time
i mostly save it all for styx
chrome geyser
Let's say you have 350 HP. I would go obols. I don't value HP that much after 300
dim rapids
and charon well stuff if they're useful
300 is way too much lol
i usually don't take hearts on purpose if possible after 200
unless i'm stocked on gold or i have a gold%
dim rapids
- if i'm lacking gold% boons or my stock is low, i'll generally go for obols once my HP hits >200
- if i'm stocked up on gold or i have gold% boons even if i'm poor af, i'll go for hearts no matter what, even at 300 HP
because i can always clear all rooms of styx for gold
styx rains gold
chrome geyser
Also got a +110% frost flourish on zeus aspect. I'm gonna try this.
I usually save for well of chiron (light of ixion, yarn of ariadne, replenish DD) and styx.
dim rapids
also yeah, i've done runs where i've purposefully just went all in on HP
has actually saved me from an early loss on rail
literally 1 hp
chrome geyser
Genesis; what was the streamer you watched? I'm looking to improve my gameplay.
dim rapids
celerity
sacred idol
@dim rapids tbf most people don't find it "hard to lose" past first clear
dim rapids
but i haven't seen him play it for a while now
i mean yeah, but there are some weapons that just don't sit well
i hated bow till i got chiron
i hated rail till i got hestia
chrome geyser
ah he also plays slay the spire. I'm also not too keen on watching jorbs. I'll check it out.
dim rapids
i kinda hated spear as well
my spear playthroughs relied on me going hades + serrated edge
if i didn't get that runs were awkward
chrome geyser
serrated edge should not show up with Hades; so you have higher chance of finding quick spin
dim rapids
serrated edge is the triple dash strike one
i think you're mistaking it for the can't spin one
flurry strike or something
chrome geyser
I don't get why delta chamber shows up with zag and hestia; and the flurry jab shows up with Hades; while piercing volley does not show up with chiron.
Yeah i just realized.
dim rapids
serrated edge carries spear hard if you have hunter dash + artemis attack
waxen imp
chrome geyser
Serrated edge is fun; but i get killed often on final boss; since i can't dash away from the spins in time.
waxen imp
low effort gameplay
dim rapids
eh not low effort enough
dim rapids
real low effort is getting all revenge boons + vengeful mood and just letting final boss kill himself
waxen imp
i can aim anywhere on the screen and it would hit something
chrome geyser
Zeus ares aphrodite and athena.
chrome viper
that's pretty low effort tbh
chrome geyser
I never could make it happen.
chrome geyser
poseidon-zeus is so powerful when it gets together. Enemies are zapped and thrown around for days.
And not horrible against bosses.
But poseidon does need a base damage boost
waxen imp
my dash was doing 194
chrome geyser
Wait; chiron knocks back 7 times with poseidon flourish right?
dim rapids
yes
chrome geyser
Ok good.
dim rapids
but apparently it does it so fast that not all arrows can proc the sea storm
also just a forewarning
with legendary you only knockback 1 extra time
i was expecting 7 extra knockbacks lmao
dim rapids
from what i heard apparently the 10 chill stacks burst is also bugged on chiron
if you get +4 arrows
sacred cloak
question: eurydice, rarity upgrade, future rarity or level up? or is it more like situational?
earnest ravine
Situational, I think? Sometimes you have a cruddy build in Asphodel and really want to make sure whatever you actually get is worthwhile, so you get Nectar. if you have less than 4 boons, the rarity up is my preferred one. But if you have more than 4, overall, you're gonna want the porridge.
At least that's the methodology I've been following? Other people might have other opinions.
sacred cloak
what do you mean with "cruddy"?
earnest ravine
Uhhh. Bad. Not a lot of synergy. Usually Only one or two damaging ones.
dim rapids
depends, if you have 2 specific boons you want to rank up and you only have 2, or you just want a general improvement to 4 of your boons
but it might go to some crappy boon like dash
earnest ravine
My luck is absolute trash a lot of the time, but I'm too stubborn to quit, so it happens a lot.
livid kraken
Does bow special apply Zeus on hit dmg boon for every projectile?
sacred idol
Not on chiron
gloomy vine
forced overtime really kicks my arse. a lot of the things you could do before just aren't viable anymore with this pact online
quaint gazelle
at least it gives you a lot of heat
sacred idol
FO is nasty because it also apparently desyncs some animations
I believe framerates above 60 also sometimes do it
gloomy vine
yeah, the high heat reward is why I try to use it. I feel like it is something I could get better at with practice though
waxen imp
tfw when 0 heat is so easy that you don't care about chaos penalty and fighting hydra at 1 hp
chrome geyser
@dim rapids i was the one to report that that! That i know.
soft harbor
i've noticed that the modified giant gorgon head and her crusher boyfriend's animation act pretty screwy on Forced Overtime
pretty frustrating when you're getting hit by huge damage hitboxes that are invisible
chrome geyser
So with eurydice; what i do is;
- If I have main (most of my damage comes from this/my build heavily depends on this) boons; and can hit them 50%; i will take the 2 boons are upgraded one.
- If I have a ton on boons; i will get the 4 poms of power one
- Usually will take the 3 yarns of ariadne one.
@soft harbor i lose 1 or 2 DD to that battle on forced overtime.
I fully agree that the animations are screwed up
soft harbor
i've taken some real strange hits from CrushyBoy in that fight
chrome geyser
(I meant to say forced overtime and middle management)
soft harbor
yah, Middle Management
earnest ravine
Same, actually, I thought I was just playing poorly.
soft harbor
the blast wave sometimes doesn't show, or appears late or something
earnest ravine
But the wave hitbox is like... way bigger than it seems.
soft harbor
i'd much rather slog through the barge with FO+MM than that fight
earnest ravine
The barge is FUN!
soft harbor
it can just take awhile if you don't have murder-level damage and you're really trying not to get hit
i also think that the || final boss' 2nd phase "respawn"|| blastwave sometimes appears incorrectly? I've clearly dashed through it- then gotten hit while much past it.
has that happened to anyone else
earnest ravine
The hitbox is a little disjointed feeling on maxed FO, yeah.
soft harbor
that's happened on like regular plays for me
earnest ravine
Not as bad as the lasers sometimes managing to hit THROUGH block, or the scenery, but it has caused a few weird hits.
soft harbor
oh, everyone knows the lasers are not right though
doesn't feel good that they multi-hit real fast too
i only trust like 2 pillars during lasers
and even then...
earnest ravine
I think I started to double dash the wave out of habit because of getting hit by the wave, now that you mention it, but it's been a while so it's ingrained.
soft harbor
yeah, i started to delay it a lot because it seems to just... hit ya sometimes
gloomy vine
I feel like that second wave you talking about derfinitely appears wrong sometimes, even without forced overtime. It has got me a few times when I could hjave sworn I dashed through it
soft harbor
next time i take a smack from it, i'll have to try to quick screenshot
with my damage frames way inside the wave
mild crag
I don't know if it's screwy or due to the fact you're not invincible at the start or end of your dash but I always seem to eat a wave hit after dodging the rest the whole fight which is super annoying
sacred cloak
Finally made it with all spears through! First I hated the spear, but now I love it with the aspect of Guan Yu
Got a build with deadly reversal, hunters dash and divine strike with serrated edge and quick spin as a daedalus upgrade
it was very delicious ;P
waxen imp
i got "pour as a pauper" when i cleared a run with 0 coin
i don't have the screenshot but i thought that was interesting
radiant swallow
So have people realized the zues shield is broken yet
earnest ravine
I'm with you on it being great, opda, so there is that.
chrome viper
it's pretty good
but eventually you can't rely on the special unless you spam explosive return
with eventually I mean in higher heat levels, where Chaos Aspect gets through Damage Control easily and hits enemies in a wider area
earnest ravine
You can absolutely clear higher levels with it without spamming explosive return and its rapid hits make damage control a non issue as soon as they spawn.
chrome viper
I think it mostly depends of Forced Overtime then
at least with enemies that ignore staggers with dashes/jumps
earnest ravine
ALso on maxed forced overtime it does the same, and also helps by safely clearing it out before they can get that early attack in (especially because sometimes they like to attack the second they spawn, which is annoying).
waxen imp
it's shield, therefore it's broken
shield is op no matter what
should rename shield to i-frame simulator
uncut plank
festive fog stacks on itself correct?
like if I shoot 3 into the same spot, all 3 are in effect?
unkempt pagoda
yes
unkempt pagoda
well the visual effect does, at least
if you mean the mechanical effect, i'm not sure, but probably does not(???)
uncut plank
oof, yeah that's what i meant 😅
unkempt pagoda
if you're looking to take advantage of the slowing effect, i'd spread them out
uncut plank
I'm thinking about doing a scintillating feast/ice wine build
mild crag
Scintillating feast stacks
uncut plank
okay yeah thanks, that clears it up haha
torn bison
ice wine feels kinda weak i feel
unless its a dot
scintalating feast is so nice with boss runs with the dmg reduction in fog boon
uncut plank
ended up finishing my run. didn't get dionysus cast until Styx and had no duo boons at Hades
died in phase 2. felt extremely bad. never had a run that bad. gonna try again later lol
dim ridge
im so upset that this was on 0 heat
9 casts, hunting blades, an epic +cast damage up boon from chaos
only things that could have made it better would have been being on poseidon sword or hera bow and getting demeter's aoe on cast thing
oh and the cast speed one from hermes
winged bone
is it just me or is the chilling effect kind of strong
with the 20 damage per half second
waxen imp
it is strong
but it's fair compared to anything else
20 dmg ticks is equal to 4 dmg poison
jolly heron
is world smasher hilariously strong or did I just get a god run
manic ermine
World smasher is great but worse than charged shot
chrome geyser
ice wine is amazing. It eliminates the throw time so it's pretty much instant cast. It is a 50% damage boost for the highest damage cast in the game. And applies chill automatically; which when stacked is pretty neat. Also is boosted by scintillated feast even further. You can apply two statuses with a single cast; which is awesome. Demeter/Dionysus/Zeus is a good core; because of these stacking duo boons i think. (Not just this; they stack really well in general but their duos are insanely synergistic)
Just did my first full run with a controller. It is so much better to move around. But attacking feels not as fluid as mk
My dodging has been leagues better; so has been my map awareness. But my damage output was pretty bad. Had chiron bow on 0 heat. I'm going to try to train myself for controller though; feel like i can get much better at it.
rich barn
I did it, guys. Thanks for all of your help! Took me just a few runs...but I did it.
https://imgur.com/a/JknQ5hn
I think it was run 28 or 29
jolly heron
I just made it to the final boss for the first time (don't know if I can say their name or if that would be spoilers)
I managed to beat the first phase and got 2nd phase to 1/4th health before they did me in
also, is the ambrosia to titan blood trade a good idea?
I used all of my titan blood on exogryph, because I'm an idiot
dim ridge
i just cleared the final boss and got a Lambent Plume proc 🙂
chrome geyser
So; i have zeus flourish on chaos shield
Should i get charged shot? Or dread flight?
dense locust
Do HydraLites (gain a % of your max health back each chamber) stack?
dim ridge
i believe so
dim ridge
i know for a fact hydralite from a well stacks with hydralite from patroclus
so in theory yes
chrome geyser
Wanted to try charged shot . . . dead to hydra. Was an awesome shield run too; got epic zeus flourish, jolted, god gauge. Got cold fusion too. Died to hydra.
I think more i switched to controller from playing mk for ~80 hrs than charged shot.
I like piercing cause i hate greatshields.
dim ridge
i think k/m is way easier than controller for this game tbh
and agreed
greatshields are the worst basic mob
chrome geyser
the mobs i hate most are, in order;
- flaming chariots
- longspears
- snakestones
- greatshields
So i can say that both have pros and cons; controller vs mk. Moving and dodging; is so much better with the controller. I dodged heated gorgon/skull crusher masterfully; and i have been doing controller less than an hour. MK i think is much better with attack targeting for melee; and it is much easier to dash-strike constantly; which in turn allow you to not break the flow of moving; by having to target and attack. I think controller is better with ranged weapons. Also; casting feels easier on controller; but that is probably my keyboard layout. I like running one way and shooting the other way.
Most streamers/good players I have seen are using controller; so i figured I will try to get used to it. And I'm liking it.
waxen imp
longspears you hate more than greatshields?
chrome geyser
Yes. Longspears have a crazy range; and their animation does not really have any tell if you are on forced overtime.
And I swear; sometimes their attack goes through my riot shield
chrome geyser
Longspears have a range that is more than what the graphics imply.
turbid needle
They have Extended Jab.
chrome geyser
I'm glad they also don't have serrated edge.
turbid needle
Ever since vanilla Greatshields were nerfed I think Greatshields only need their block angle turned down a bit more and they'd be great.
chrome geyser
The animations could use a big overhaul.
turbid needle
They don't have Serrated Edge, but they do have a big AoE splash on leap.
chrome geyser
How did they get nerfed? And when?
bright mulch
Petition to add a pact option that just turn exalted into actual zags with a full build lol
turbid needle
They don't have the spin attack. Only Elite Greatshields (spawn in with armor and a little skull next to their health bar) will spin.
turbid needle
Greatshields now simply lunge. Same windup, so heads-up that you don't think an Elite won't spin on you if they don't have armor.
chrome geyser
I think enemy shields should not block all damage
maybe like 60%
it is just annoying to kite and try to backstab them with controller.
turbid needle
Oh, wow, yeah.
chrome geyser
Actually, not that. But allow debuffs to be placed by zag onto enemies when they are blocked.
prime knoll
I personally like dashing behind shields and smacking/shooting them. I don't like how often they shoot their ground waves because they're often concealed by all the other effects on the field.
crystal geyser
Is it accurate to refer to Hades as King of the underworld instead of God of the Underworld?
dim ridge
both
oblique tusk
crystal geyser
i see, i was just wondering
mild crag
Yuh
rancid shore
He can call himself the god of death ||in the final boss fight when he spawns adds||
dense locust
rail with aspect of eris, Cluster bomb, rocket bomb, heart rend, artemis special, and a chaos boon increasing special damage
dense locust
hades took 4 specials each phase XD
timber turret
Any good poseidon duo boons?
dense locust
I like his call and sometimes his cast. The dash can also be good in some situations
but for duos? hmm
timber turret
Oh his dash is really good on aspohdel haha
dense locust
sea storm can be good depending on the build
and sweet nectar and exclusive access are obviously good if obtained early
timber turret
Ooh cool
dense locust
But they aren't great overall
timber turret
ahh ty
Its just for prophecy
Poor poseidon he doesnt stand out much
I cant stand his aid it moves really fast and i keep missing lmao
dense locust
To use a MtG term, splashing poseidon can be really good, meaning if you get a couple key boons from him to supplement a different build, it can be very effective
and I think his call is one of the best, although there is a bug where if you're moving while you use it, you cannot steer it
timber turret
Ahhh ok
dense locust
At least thats my 2 cents
But poseidon also has the best room clearing in the game
but lacks against bosses
dense locust
It's all situational
I had the easiest run of my life with chain shot, flurry shot, and ares attack
timber turret
Ahh i see im kinda new to hades haha
dense locust
on the bow
timber turret
Oh yess the bow
dense locust
which perfectly complimented the special I had along with poseidon cast and call
got my 20 heat with it
timber turret
I had a dionysus special with an upgraded special attack bow
dense locust
Everything was constantly doomed, knocked away, and jolted, so privleged was up on everything
timber turret
Oof lots of effects
dense locust
and then 5 athena dashes
timber turret
I barely had any effects on my last build
dense locust
I also had maxed out zeus everything... such a fun run
dense locust
chiron bow with zeus special, zeus legendary, and a lot of other crap. And then poseidon special is a beast for damage and positioning
timber turret
But i know she has other good boons
dense locust
Her dash is amazing
the deflect on taking damage seems to do a lot of work but its hard to tell
timber turret
I was using the chiron bow yesterday it was my first run using it was really good
timber turret
One
Just one aspect
Level aspect*
Im about to get three titans blood
Just gotta find one more dire boss
dense locust
It gets better obviously, but some aspects really need those level ups whereas some are still pretty good at lower levels. Chiron is one of those that needs levels
timber turret
Ahh okay yeah it feels sorta weak
timber turret
Nice
Imma head off ty the help i cant wait to try out the build if im lucky with boons lmao
dense locust
That's what the god's keepsakes are for; reduce that rng
timber turret
Ooh tyy
sacred idol
@uncut turtle I can only use strats for worse players...
earnest ravine
But uh, yeah, if you don't like sword, then maybe Poseidon and the Eris gun?
earnest ravine
I'm not super good with the rail, it's my slowest weapon, but I think Poseidon works well on it.
sacred idol
Mmm, I have Eris Rail for attempted Ares cast build.
uncut turtle
Chaos Shield for beginner use, build for special, look for explosive daedalus
sacred idol
But Poseidon on rail? How does that work
uncut turtle
rail is more on-hit stuff rather then damage
and since it's base knockback is low
doesn't do suuuuuper great with poseidon unless you're doing special build
attack gun + poseidon is meg
Attack gun you want Arte for crits or Zeus for lightning on hits
earnest ravine
The knockback on attack helps with a lo of armoured enemies in my expience, or if you get the special knockback it makes me feel more confident trying to get groups down while also getting my buff.
uncut turtle
Zeus is harder because you want double strike, his legendary, ect for it to work best
earnest ravine
but again, rail is my WORST weapon so Im' still working stuff out for it.
uncut turtle
Rail was my first clear :v
earnest ravine
I'm only thinking posidien builds for them because they mentioned they needed the Fates for him.
uncut turtle
But ya, it's a super flipflop weapon
hybrid galleon
use the fork
uncut turtle
you either get a great build
sacred idol
Rail was also my first
hybrid galleon
FORK FORK FORK FORK
sacred idol
Which fork
uncut turtle
or you get crap and the rail feels useless
hybrid galleon
fork of hades
sacred idol
I was thinking shield for Poseidon
uncut turtle
Achilles fork or base fork
sacred idol
like, Zeus/Poseidon double build on Zeus shield.
uncut turtle
Hades fork is disappointing unless you get the fast charge hammer
sacred idol
Although, that leaves you with the lowest damage attack
hybrid galleon
@uncut turtle just charge prematurely
earnest ravine
I perrsonally hate Posidien on the shield but again. I only really use Zeus shield, so all the knockback effects (aside from the cast) make it annoying to work with.
hybrid galleon
also small spin also procs
sacred idol
I'm not gonna spend 16 blood on the Hades spear right now, though
earnest ravine
different tastes, huh?
hybrid galleon
so it should not be a problem
uncut turtle
Poseidon is great on chaos shield
sacred idol
"just charge prematurely"
uncut turtle
i like ares build for zeus shield
sacred idol
Poseidon chaos shield was also an option
uncut turtle
Pretty sure she has the highest base % increases for boons on attack and special
hybrid galleon
thats aphrodite
uncut turtle
Is it?
hybrid galleon
get your math right on the goddess of the big boons
sacred idol
When I say bad at game I mean I DD twice on EM hydra with not-shields, and I think I've only no DD cleared Hades once
earnest ravine
Yup. Because she doesn't reallyhave a dot, her damage is front loaded.
sacred idol
with functionally no heat affecting him lul
uncut turtle
Honestly EM Hydra is still a pretty good chance to DD for me
hybrid galleon
:wheeze
earnest ravine
em hydra with forced overtime is a one way ticket to crying town
earnest ravine
but it's still fun, so like, worth it
hybrid galleon
what was EM again
sacred idol
and that's pretty broken
earnest ravine
Emergency measures
sacred idol
extreme measures
earnest ravine
boss upgrade-
hybrid galleon
Oh
earnest ravine
THANK you I forgot the exact word
hybrid galleon
i hate it lol
uncut turtle
EM Tartatus is 'this should be the default state' EM Hydra is W H Y and EM Elysium is, imo, honestly easier because Theseus just screws off for 90% of the fight on the other side of the arena or around the outside while you bully Astarius
sacred idol
Technically, though, my heats are 0 heat for Hades
well, 1 heat, he has one usage of the blue shield.
EM Hydra is obnoxious...
hybrid galleon
@uncut turtle kick da bulls ball
sacred idol
Unless you have the setup to cheese it with a summon
not gonna lie, EM Elysium is almost literally just Extreme Asterius
and guest
earnest ravine
I've thouught about learning Hydra skip, but I use Than's summon like, everywhere else and it's easier for me to aim so I don't bother.
uncut turtle
since the adds that spawns are just idiot bloodless
sacred idol
Asterius is kind of...
Well
On normal speed he's not THAT hard other than the doom spin
I'm terrified of even trying FO
hybrid galleon
idk how to outrun his charge thing
sacred idol
that said, FO1 normal asterius almost seemed to be... easier to dodge
uncut turtle
get near a wall
hybrid galleon
aside from letting him run into a wall
sacred idol
think EM makes him faster
uncut turtle
and dash through him
uncut turtle
that's how you manage the charge
uncut turtle
Just put something against you back with some distance, then dash through him as he approaches in a straight line
hybrid galleon
SPEAR SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
earnest ravine
Fade did say the charge, so I was responding in kind, sorry
Also I think Achilies spear can be really funny to dodge that if you notice the animation ahead of tiem and just
nyoom
hybrid galleon
runny boi
earnest ravine
I see swear auto filter got you but i agree, it's great
hybrid galleon
swear filter is the worst thing internet has been graced upon
earnest ravine
I can understand it here considering the rules of conduct.
earnest ravine
:D Nice!
hybrid galleon
E X T R E M E M E G
sacred idol
extreme megsures
hybrid galleon
Smug Meg
earnest ravine
Speaking of EM Meg does like, anyone else have a problem on FO where Alecto can sopawn under you and do the sawblade immediately when you can't react?
because. i hate that. I should just get good and dodge it but I Hate it
sacred idol
oh no, now I want meg smug dancing
hybrid galleon
meg default dance
sacred idol
forced overtime just breaks the game, it seems like
I don't think this game scales well with speed increases.
earnest ravine
It's fun going fast but it's obviously not super tuned right now.
sacred idol
As I mentioned before - I strongly suspect framerate screws with Hades' attacks.
uncut turtle
yeaaaa forced overtime just kinda...breaks a lot of stuff
earnest ravine
Low priority, or, more likely, we'e play testing it because early access so it feels less gross at launch.
sacred idol
See, I used to be playing at 90-110 FPS
hybrid galleon
we are unpaid bugtesters
sacred idol
and randomly kept getting that 'ghost hitbox' on his spear without Overtime.
hybrid galleon
talking about bugs
its not a big thing but apparently you can literally phase through to the lounge
earnest ravine
it's GREAT (no sarcasm), I love this stuff
hybrid galleon
and the lounge will not lit up
sacred idol
I capped my frames to 60 in Nvidia Profile Inspector, and no more ghost Hades hitboxes.
So uh...
hybrid galleon
unless you walk to the middle of the lounge then it will lit up
sacred idol
I feel like it's FPS affected
hybrid galleon
just get near any pillars that connects between the hallway and lounge you can dash away
earnest ravine
It probably is, my drivers were hitching a lot yesterday and it kept making things desync.
uncut turtle
half the issue with overtime
is the animation scaling seems higher then the attack scaling
which is why you get the weird hitboxes
hybrid galleon
question, does enemy attack pattern changes depend on your weapon of choice?
uncut turtle
no
earnest ravine
Not as far as I can tell.
hybrid galleon
for example when i use bow, i feel like meg uses a lot of her blast
uncut turtle
i mean, yes but no
earnest ravine
They change depending on your play behaviour, not weapon.
uncut turtle
ai is programmed for certain attacks to be used if youre certain distances
hybrid galleon
oh
uncut turtle
or well
sacred idol
Huh. I was having the same issue @earnest ravine
uncut turtle
more likely
earnest ravine
About the driver problem?
uncut turtle
to do attackes
sacred idol
Yeah, my frames were just... dropping horribly
monkeyed around and it fixed itself somewhat
uncut turtle
hades will spam the heck out of you with skulls if you try to ranged spam him
ranged hades is very much hit and run
earnest ravine
I did a clean install of my drivers and it fixed it, but it was still obviously messing with the game's behavviour.
hybrid galleon
ye
tbh thats why my bow clear is so late compared to other weapons
oh and i still havent finish rail clear
uuuuugh
uncut turtle
do a file verifiication @earnest ravine
earnest ravine
Oh, no, it was happennig in my other games, too. The FPS drop issue.
Like I said, I fixed it.
uncut turtle
ah
sacred idol
I think my CPU undervolt was partly to blame in that case though
Or my Bluetooth driver not updating correctly, really screwed with my controller
hybrid galleon
some of the deadalus hammer upgrade for bow is... uh garbage
like why would you sacrifice your main dmg powershot for hold to fire
sacred idol
Tips for people who can't run the game at full framerate on higher refresh rate monitors, though - cap it to 60 or 72 or the lowest you get stable.
earnest ravine
The rapid fire can be a DPS increase especially with certain boons.
sacred idol
I think it's a smoother experience.
hybrid galleon
so does powershot
sacred idol
And possibly capping at 60 may simply evade hitbox gore on hades
@hybrid galleon not everyone can time powershots consistently enough
read: me, I'm bad
hybrid galleon
the reason i cant win with bow before is because i cant powershot consistently
earnest ravine
The worst one for the bow is the charged volley. Most times it isn't worth the time holding it for power shots if you can get a quick hit in and dodge an attack.
earnest ravine
yeah, HATE that upgrade
hybrid galleon
it deals tiny damage
earnest ravine
But the rapid fire one can have its uses.
sacred idol
I mean, I win bow without consistent powershots, but I mainly use Chiron
low heat tho
hybrid galleon
unless you are shotgunning someone
sacred idol
also, Charged Volley is worth on Chiron
hybrid galleon
So i guess its worht it
earnest ravine
Oh, that would make sense. I always go fo the More Arrows upgrade for Chiron, so I skip that.
hybrid galleon
but again
sacred idol
both though.
hybrid galleon
would wish the bow upgrade can just show up for some that is good for it
hybrid galleon
for example, rapid fire on hera bow makes no sense
earnest ravine
they always show up on the same hammer for me OTL
sacred idol
I mean, charged volley on a crit build is already like... 200 damage crits
earnest ravine
Well, yeah, not all aspects play well with the hammers. The one for self damage on your special for Rail comes to mind.
earnest ravine
But on the other two bows the rapid fire one can be really helpful if you're not given the time to power shot.
It's not a good one with the uh, power up special one. Eris, right?
You can still grab it! you shouldn't
But you can!'
hybrid galleon
hestia exist
hybrid galleon
i like aoe normal
earnest ravine
That's still- What I'm saying is, not all hammers work for all bows, but for the ones it does, it most definitely has its place. Does that make sense?
sacred idol
because you can just right click zagreus to "Hazard Bomb" yourself for like 3-4x the damage and zero risk
rofl
earnest ravine
Because not all aspects play well with the ones for the other weapons, either.
earnest ravine
okay cool im having a lot of trouble with words recently
earnest ravine
Oh gosh, yeah.
hybrid galleon
so that the useless one wont show up
earnest ravine
I would love something that actually works with the Zeus shield because it loses access to Dread Flight.
Stuff like that'd be nice.
sacred idol
this clusterdoom aphro attack setup just nuked the megagorgon miniboss in ~15 seconds
earnest ravine
nyoom
last nacelle
Apply every debuff
earnest ravine
Obviously it works like the Slots in Fnal Fantasy games
hybrid galleon
Prepare the S U C C
earnest ravine
You get some random effect and at max call it either kills you or does huge damage to everything
last nacelle
Chaos doesn't have slot boons though, so it can't get a call.
hybrid galleon
let me dream harold
earnest ravine
(it was a joke, if they gave us a call it'd be wack)
sacred idol
Oh, if RNG doesn't hate me, I can get Deadly Reversal and MAYBE Merciful End both at once
earnest ravine
Oh gosh, that's a fun combo
sacred idol
Accidentally into a potential nuke run
Curse of Longing JUST for privstat
wait
I have potential heart rend
hybrid galleon
Artemis' call arrow should change into nuclear warheads
sacred idol
oh, no, need deadly strike/flourish
hybrid galleon
just saying
sacred idol
Aspect of Kiwami would just make a knife out of everything
I think that was my joke, actually
hybrid galleon
yeah
earnest ravine
i don't see a problem here
hybrid galleon
but the knife is mine
sacred idol
Sharpest Lava Knife in the world
hybrid galleon
we share this joke
sacred idol
Your cast is sharpened into a knife
sacred idol
lmao, imagine if it made you a tonberry though
earnest ravine
Sharpest Blood Knife in the world
sacred idol
the penalty also being -80% movement speed
but your knife cuts anything
ignores armor, ignores blue shields
sacred idol
sharpest bone hydra knife
hybrid galleon
if you kill your enemy they turn into a sashimi
and you can gain health from them
meg sashimi
eternal quartz
@eternal quartz We used to be able to see the health bar when opening the boons menu but even though they removed it from view in favor of character art you can now see your health when highlighting a boon that would affect it.
@timber temple Oh, ok, I will try it then, thanks!
sacred idol
Hades modders where you at?
hybrid galleon
yeaaaa...
sad
Hades modders I need a Kitchen Knife
rail turns into kitchen gun
bang bang bang
sacred idol
Knife. Gun. Knifegun.
hybrid galleon
crutch
sacred idol
80% of my damage taken: collision and lava
turbid needle
id say we need a dab button, but i dont want that added.
sacred idol
damn forgot to ss
turbid needle
watch your profanity.
turbid needle
pls no
sacred idol
yes?
lmao I wish
no money
no place to put ornamental cows
rofl, there's a bug, if you beat Asterius in miniboss while he charges, it doesn't end till he stops charging
sacred idol
no need, p funny tho
hybrid galleon
I really need to use it
but i dont eat dairy products as often as you guys are
tfw you are an asian and most of us are lactose intolerant
sacred idol
tfw same
hah, two out of three? four? duo boons get
spent spirit and merciful end would be the wombo combo
"Gods on high, attend me!" [Theseus dies in 3 seconds]
hybrid galleon
Im currently editing a run of hades by me and theseus fight and i basically just make the bonk sound to the mario bros theme and then last hit destroys him
yes the whole fight condensed to 7 hits
sacred idol
Aww, no more duos
no merciful end
hades down in... uh, one minute. nice.
#WorthIt
hybrid galleon
amazing comrad
sacred idol
Woah. What the heck. I also got the Sisyphus convo on my first run
dense locust
Reading through the latest convo, it's amazing how everyone finds their own stride in certain weapons and aspects and builds. I for one find the rail to be the strongest because aspect of eris allows for all 3 damage sources to be viable
dense locust
Well he provides a decently easy to apply and long lasting status curse
And the damage can be significant when it stacks up and you can boost it
But he isn't my fave most of the time now that demeter is in the mix
If you get the slow on hangover its pretty good
night path
The base damage even accounting for the upgrades doesn't seem to do a lot overtime
Ares has a more significant pseudo-dot for damage
And is more persistent with the "additional applications provide more damage" or w/ aphrodite duo
opal bay
blizzard shot is so good
night path
Yeah that also comes to mind when I want a debuff that has persistent uptime
opal bay
I am really tempted to download OBS again and just stream it because that's a lot of damage I am making
night path
I always pick that if I'm not using hera/poseidon
sacred idol
@night path Dio viability is basically directly proportional to how fast you stack Hangover, and scales with the number of utility boons you can throw in. Slow, festive fog legendary combo, Low Tolerance duo. Plus synergies with other things. Eris buff, Priv, etc. The Ares stacking boon is weak, it's the "impending doom" buff that makes it last longer...
night path
So it's better on rail/chiron/dash spear?
sacred idol
But Low Tolerance is a stronger duo than CoL which adds almost no DPS due to harsh falloff scaling, I believe hangover scales very well with poms...
Ares boons fall off after 2-3 poms, afaik
It's best on Chaos Shield... Shotgun Rail... Chiron, sure
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/681108106784145444/20200223145848_1.jpg good riddance
sacred idol
Some Flurries, although arguably, Arctic Blast Demeter is now a better option for flurries and standard rail.
Dash spear is not quite the pace you want
night path
Even with the upgrade?
sacred idol
Ideally for Dionysus, you stack to max in as close to one shot as possible.
night path
Ah
night path
When you dash, hit 3 more time
opal bay
sacred idol
Dio is a shotgun god
opal bay
dio is great yeah
turbid needle
What is the duo for blizzard shot?
turbid needle
Thanks
opal bay
yeah flood shot and chill
night path
Spear i mean
It's called
Serrated edge
It shreds but it's also really fragile
Because of the smaller dash
sacred idol
@Wok#8240 ah yes the underworld counterpart to Netflix and Chill
Serrated can probably stack Dio fast enough. Ares will be next to useless, you get like +10-20 damage with Dire Misfortune.
And you would want Merciful End Divine Dash to do a doom dash build anyway
night path
On an unrelated topic, what is shotgun rail exactly?
sacred idol
Hammer
Spread fire
One shot will stack Dio to max base I think
And dash shot will max Low Tolerance while doing solid damage
stoic crest
can anyone give me some tips for sword runs? It's by far the weapon that I have the least successful runs with in part because I go kinda crazy with it and I forget I don't have the range of the spear or railgun 😅
sacred idol
Pair with aphro cluster on KBM, centered on yourself, with Eris.
Enjoy the absolute carnage
stoic crest
any recommended dedalus upgrades or preferred olympian boons?
sacred idol
Which sword? I don't play them but I know they're all wildly different
stoic crest
I tend to like the quick slash upgrade with nemesis aspect to make the best use I can of the increased crit chance
well either zagreus or nemesis
it's the only 2 I've unlocked
mostly nemesis
stoic crest
ok I like that