In the same dash?
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
stoic crest
yup
you just charge spin, dash+release
then mash attack
it releases a dash attack immediately after spin attack
with the damage buff from punishing sweep times three, this is actually a really disgusting source of damage
turbid needle
That's actually kinda terrifying.
I got Serrated Edge and Deadly Strike on Hades once and it was great.
stoic crest
deadly strike is which again?
turbid needle
Artemis, crit chance.
stoic crest
oooh yeah
I just know that my whole build right now will be around my dash attack
the damage output this can deal is a pretty big deal
cursive carbon
i was thinking, dionysus, artemis or aphrodite to try make a cast build with hera bow?
turbid needle
Dionysus.
jaunty pewter
depends on how you combine it
turbid needle
Aphrodite sounds like a good idea until you land all of your Bloodstones out of bounds.
jaunty pewter
if you have heartbreak strike + artemis cast += heart rend
that can do some serious damage
turbid needle
I believe you need Deadly Strike or Flourish to get Heart Rend.
jaunty pewter
but i would agree overall dionysus will have the best straight up damage
pressure points works too
poseidon cast also works pretty great with hera
cursive carbon
im trying make new builds that i never did before, demeter has good boons?
turbid needle
Very.
stoic crest
the boon she has where she upgrades the rarity of all your current boons after putting them to common
quaint gazelle
tbh i don't really like demeters boons all that much
stoic crest
is kinda busted
jaunty pewter
i personally don’t like them with the exclusion of the fantastic blizzard shot
jaunty pewter
oh yeah the growth one is pretty busted
quaint gazelle
still haven't tried the growth one
stoic crest
so you're pretty much guaranteed to have a full heroic build
quaint gazelle
haven't got it early game
turbid needle
Rare Crop boosts 1-3 boons.
brisk copper
Noticed today, that while a Crystal Beam damages enemies, they get maybe around 0,2 secs of being immune to staggering.. don't know if this is intended
tawny ivy
for Demeter i always go with Killing Freeze (decay over time), and that nets me her legendary quite often
turbid needle
2435 dash strike crit with rail gun x) Thats my highest ever
Nice.
That was the run, also a new personal best! Elyssium took really long tho
I got offered the duo boon more crit damage vs weakened enemies but for some reason I decided to pick something else
keen ocean
Demeter's legendary is absolutely broken. Shattering bosses at 10% health is astounding.
turbid needle
Indeed
I tried to get Athena's legendary so hard
and when i got it i was disappointed
at least Demeter is good
sacred folio
Apart from the shattering explosion damage, it's a 1/9th overall damage bonus, which is kinda equivalent to a +5.56% crit chance I guess?
abstract pilot
it does skip the last phase mostly, which tends to have better value than +11% on each phase
waxen furnace
what are y'alls favourite chiron bow builds?
sacred folio
Ah yes. Last phase is always the hardest
abstract pilot
on the other hand it gets half value on hades 😛
turbid needle
what are y'alls favourite chiron bow builds?
@waxen furnace I don't use the chiron aspect lol
waxen furnace
*for those of you who use chiron bow, what are your favourite builds?
sorry, thought that bit was implied
abstract pilot
lol
turbid needle
But i get Poseidon's cast on maxed Hera aspect and it shreds through a big part of the enemies
waxen furnace
artemis special + aphro attack seems like a good pairing
turbid needle
I agree
waxen furnace
zeus special, maybe? as people seem to really like zeus rail and this may feel kinda similar?
unless they don't quite work the same way (1 press of chiron special vs repeated presses of rail attack)
sacred folio
I suggest going for Privileged Status so Artemis' attack / special might not be a good choice
abstract pilot
i think the shattering legendary is not bad, but i feel like other legendaries do way more work
sacred folio
Unless you can apply Privileged Status with dash / cast
abstract pilot
like zeus, artemis, ares
waxen furnace
poseidon special with zeus duo/build is probably great, as it would be on chaos shield
abstract pilot
zeus special doesn't work with chiron bow the way you would want 😦
waxen furnace
which is the shattering legendary?
abstract pilot
oh, i was talking about the demeter legendary for the other conversation going on
turbid needle
Can anyone who plays with the spear give me tips on how to improve?
waxen furnace
ah, understood
abstract pilot
if zeus did work on each individual special arrow, no one would ever recommend any other boon on chiron i think
waxen furnace
ahhhh. first boon, artemis epic special. first room has a chaos room, 70% special damage buff. this chiron bow build is going to be f u n
unfortunately, next boon is also artemis and is offering attack/cast/dash. none of which are desired
thankfully can sell it off soon
turbid needle
Atm I have epic zues call with heroic double lightning strike chance
RIP bosses 😛
Demeter duo boon crystal clarity REALLY needs a buff lol
+10% damage?
And better tracking should be standard 😛 non boon
waxen furnace
ohhh. charged special on bow may have been a mistake on a chiron build. I thought charging special would just increase damage, not range. tapping special has a heavily gimped range which requires charging to be useful. agh
sacred folio
I don't think math works that way...
tiny portal
How does it work then?
waxen furnace
things like this are quite unintuitive and frustrating
@tiny portal let's say each beam did 100 damage total
now each beam does 110
5 casts -> 500 damage becomes 550
that's 10% total increase
sacred folio
Suppose you have a +10% damage bonus and you just attacked 10 times. Does that give you +100% damage bonus?
tiny portal
Yea you're right I wasn't really thinking about it
waxen furnace
no worries
how does one gain access to the suggestions channel?
(for something entirely unrelated to "some daed upgrades are unintuitive which is an issue when it's run ending", which I'm sure has been mentioned ad nauseum)
I know it's a mistake that you only make once, but it's a frustrating and unnecessary one
rancid shore
you don't gain access to suggestions
sacred folio
What specific hammer upgrades are run ending? We can try to put some warnings on the wiki
waxen furnace
Charged Volley is the one that has made this run take a sharp turn for the worse.
manic ermine
Serrated edge can be
waxen furnace
I don't mind serrated edge, as it's abundantly clear what the cost is
with Charged Volley, it's not at all clear that the charge now means that, unless you spend some time charging up, your special is a shotgun blast
manic ermine
Double nova also has contension
waxen furnace
that's another where the cost is very clear, though
sacred folio
Charged Volley is... kinda debatable? I never wanted to pick it up though. Maybe a kiting heavy playstyle could make it work?
rancid shore
Both serrated edge and double nova are very clear about what you're getting though
all the charged hammers make it seem like the range is unaffected
sacred folio
Double Nova's range reduction isn't clearly spelled in-game. It's on wiki though (damage radius down to 70%)
waxen furnace
yeah. if it were clear how it worked, I would not have selected it. not the biggest of deals, but it does put a dampener and sucks momentum out of a build
glad flume
My favorite run so far was Hera bow with aretemis cast and double cast and +3 ammo with Demeter's Frost Nova
Was like 1/4 healthing final bosss
hardy crow
reminds me of this run
I took like no boons so my nectars would keep leveling up my artemis cast stuff
native cipher
earnest ravine
nice
cursive pivot
i feel like nectar random boon level always levels up the same boon
i've had it happen every time i can remember
hardy crow
No it's definitely random
I just sold literally anything that wasn't true shot or dual shot
And used fated rerolls at the end of elys for legendary
keen ocean
Well, I just got this absolute hell choice at Charon's temple shop: https://i.redd.it/a1uqhnjpgdi41.png
When the gods wish to punish us, they give us exactly what we want.
marble ridge
rip
tiny portal
Wow... that's so weird. This is the second time in about 10 minutes I've seen someone quote Oscar Wilde (with that same quote)
kind cloud
vicious cycle for the win
if you dash all over the place, you'll wreck enemies.
and i've learned that athena's dash is a must for me against hades on 12+ heat...i can handle everything else in the game with relative ease but his spin move is beyond freaking annoying especially when he starts spamming it
her dash allows me deflect the spin move, it's kinda like having the shield of chaos except you don't have to aim...just dash in the zone
keen ocean
I went with the Merciful duo. 😅 I was fishing for it specifically, after all. Repeated dash strike+dashing did a surprising amount of damage, but I would've preferred a Hunting Blades build if I'd been free to. Had one last night that was amazing 😭
kind cloud
oh, i just realized you athena on dash and not ares
i misread the left column on your screenshot
keen ocean
It happens XD
kind cloud
yeah, merciful end makes more sense since your dash is built to deflect
if i had ares on call, i would've absolutely gone with vicious cycle
- just fill up the meter, then go for the total call.
- wreck hades
- profit
sacred folio
So um, I drafted the damage calculation process on the wiki here: https://hades.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=User:5long/Damage_Calculation
For anyone who might be interested, please help me proofread it so I can feel confident to point players to this page answering all the related questions
sacred folio
Ah, thanks. I should really get the spellchecker working
hollow sorrel
You did well. The page is very detailed.
sacred folio
Thanks man.
unborn falcon
So I beat Hades for the first time today, then I beat him again right after with a hell skull thing on. There's a few things I still don't fully understand about the game despite being obsessed w/ it for a few weeks. So here's my questions:
1: Sometimes when you start a run, Hades does a little speech and a word appears. I'm assuming this affects the randomization of the levels/enemies somehow but not sure specifically what it does. Is there a list of these and what they do somewhere?
2: Some god boons seem to only reveal themselves to you if you have another specific boon-- is there a list of these somewhere ? I just want to finish some of the 'collect all the boons' quests lol
sacred folio
2: see the wiki. e.g. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Aphrodite#Boon_Progression
tidal thorn
1: Those are just cutscenes.
2: Wiki has all the boon combos.
^^
Every God has a boon progression chart.
unkempt pagoda
naive tusk
So something funny just happened: I died and, while the death defiance animation was playing, I still had Athena’s shields around me ( I was dashing as I died with Athena’s dash)
I thought I was damage immune while dashing with her boon but turns out that nope
hollow sorrel
Yeah, that happened to me also. I'm assuming the shield animation lines up with the original iFrames, and they forgot to change the animation when they removed some of the iFrames in this patch
prime knoll
Invulnerability is separate from Deflect, and afaik the Deflect and Invuln timers for Athena Dash don't match exactly.
meaning that you could have deflect up but still be susceptible to some kind of damage. I don't rightly know what is covered by Deflect
hollow sorrel
I thought deflect meant you didn't take damage from that source?
prime knoll
It does, but I'm not sure if it 'deflects' all sources of damage- ground AoEs, DoTs, and whatnot might still affect you, though I'm just sitting back down at my PC and musing about the situation; I haven't tested that thoroughly.
Athena's Call makes you Invulnerable in addition to Deflecting, so I'd assume Deflect doesn't protect you from everything.
hollow sorrel
It my example, I died from a boss' melee attack, which is something that I know is deflectable
prime knoll
Oh, I see what you mean about the shield anim and iFrames not matching due to changes.
hollow sorrel
My speculation is only things that count as enemy attacks can be deflected. As in lava isn't really an enemy attack, so you can't deflect it
prime knoll
Yeah, I think that's right
On a slight tangent, while it would be ridiculous, I'd like to play with the shield where blocking counts as attacking, so it deflects everything when you have Athena's attack.
naive tusk
It was Asterius’ spin attack on forces overtime
So they removed iframes but shields still appear, hm... Should be fixed to avoid wth situations imo 😅
mild crag
@sacred folio page looks good 
sacred folio
Thank you sempai! Especially for helping me with the decompiler stuff.
mild crag
You're welcome uwu
sacred folio
Also I think I found out the issue with Heart Rend: it's not multiplicative on its own, it's just, um, misinterpreted
mild crag
Yeah I saw
It adds a multiplier of 1.5
Which gets added to the base crit multiplier of 2, which is added to 1
sacred folio
... and it happens to be equal to 1.5 * 3
naive tusk
(Those 2 look cute together) 🍿
silver rover
meaning that you could have deflect up but still be susceptible to some kind of damage. I don't rightly know what is covered by Deflect
@prime knoll
i think we can't deflect the green goo on the ground, we might get poisoned when we dash over it ?
can't deflect lava on the ground also.
i think we can deflect everything else.
prime knoll
That supports these other observations. Seems like ground effects and poison (already being poisoned, not the projectile that causes it) are not deflectable. Makes sense- deflect projectiles, beams, and melee attacks.
hollow sorrel
And we can't deflect tight deadline damage (we can't even athena call the damage)
naive tusk
I could have sworn that poison puddles from the big rats can be deflected. I was dashing over them and the rats were getting poisoned
silver rover
That supports these other observations. Seems like ground effects and poison (already being poisoned, not the projectile that causes it) are not deflectable. Makes sense- deflect projectiles, beams, and melee attacks.
@prime knoll
i think we can't deflect the snake head lazers in stygx
naive tusk
Heyo! @silver rover
Did you read my DM? 🙂
silver rover
o what does tight dealine do when time is up?
damage over time ?
Heyo! @silver rover
Did you read my DM? 🙂
@naive tusk oh sorry i go read now. did not notice
naive tusk
Damage over time until you die or clear the area
It’s 5 hp damage per second, I think
tidal thorn
@naive tusk the projectiles from the rats are deflectable, so you deflect them then you can run all in them since they're yours.
naive tusk
I see. Still, I think I didn’t deflect the projectiles and just dashed over the puddles... I will pay more attention next time I have her dash again 
waxen furnace
last time I asked after what people pair with zeus rail attack, people mentioned artemis special. why is that? I thought you'd get most of your damage from attack, and why pick artemis over, say, aphro? stacks another curse with high damage
alternatively, what do people pair with zeus rail? keeps getting mentioned around as something really high value on rail builds
hollow sorrel
People use zeus attack with the rapid fire rails (everything except Hestia), because those rails have a naturally low attack damage value, so getting something like Aphrodite attack, which is damage percentage based, won't do as much
But Zeus adds damage per hit, so it ends up being a large damage boost
waxen furnace
ah sorry, I was discussing special, as a pairing with zeus attack
hollow sorrel
I think people choose Artemis with those rails, because if you get her Support fire, then I think every rapid fire shot creates an additional projectile
waxen furnace
I get why zeus attack makes sense
cursive pivot
yup, it's for support fire. even more base damage
waxen furnace
ah I see! it's just to target Support Fire. that makes sense to me
hollow sorrel
They possible want Artemis support, in case they can turn their special into rockets?
waxen furnace
I thought people highly valued artemis special itself
even then, wouldn't you prefer a higher damage special that also can get a status curse going? with respect to rockets
turbid needle
Crits.
hollow sorrel
If I get rockets, then a status ailment special is good
waxen furnace
to get the artemis Support Fire, you could also go, say, artemis call and leave the special open for something that can get the status ball rolling
hollow sorrel
but if I don't have rockets, then my uptime on my special's status ailment wouldn't be super high
chrome geyser
With zeus on rail attack; i like demeter on special. Pretty good damage; (not aphrodite) and the duo boon retains jolted for constant privilege
People get artemis; i think; mostly because support fire is also insane dps with the rail.
prime knoll
I generally ignore special on a Zeus run. I try to get Dio or Demeter Call for the status and area help
hollow sorrel
Yes; Zeus and Demeter are a good combo too
prime knoll
and yeah, constant jolted is a solid bonus if you end up seeing it
chrome geyser
Artemis special is nice; for the big crits. But you abandon a status from an easy attack. You need to cast or call; which are not as fluid as attacking for privilege boosts.
waxen furnace
@turbid needle by my math, aphro seems to do more damage on average unless you get even more boons that help with raising crit damage/etc
chrome geyser
If i have a status inflicting dash; like the athena and exposed; i would try going artemis on special too.
waxen furnace
as the base special damage bonus is double on aphro special
turbid needle
So why would you not just invest more into raising crit damage?
waxen furnace
yeah. I did happen to find artemis this run, right at the beginning. All I have is zeus attack as a boon. Artemis is offering epic special/cast/call. tempted to pick cast just to get to support fire, leaving special and call to be status picks
prime knoll
Art special, call, or cast are all solid for getting support fire, which is basically an extra zeus attack boon (ish)
Yeah, I'd probably go cast to leave those others open
but the game's all about trying new things
sacred folio
Um, Support Fire doesn't seem to require any prerequisites.
waxen furnace
@turbid needle well of course you can, but on the flip side you could also try and get things that buff your damage in any build, no matter what you go. if you did go Artemis cast you'd naturally want to lean into crit some, but I'm still not really seeing why it'd be better on something like a zeus rail build where you have another primary source of damage. aphro special does similar/more damage while also stacking a status. that's where most of my lack of understanding came from (with Support Fire being the primary answer why, it seems)
oh sorry - I meant "pick something from Artemis with the goal of eventually getting support fire as now Artemis is one of my ~4 gods this run and I'll keep seeing her boons" instead of "pick something from Artemis with the goal of leaning hard into artemis boons as a primary source of damage", I guess
turbid needle
sacred folio
Ah that makes sense.
turbid needle
I used my Cast to apply PS.
waxen furnace
yeah, there are other ways of getting PS for sure (and grats on the high heat run, that looks like a nice build). If you're offered artemis and have a reliable way of getting PS up, it makes sense to go for it. when discussing "what special pairs well with zeus attack on rail", I'm still not seeing why one would prefer artemis special over all others in a vacuum. it's certainly not a bad option
chrome geyser
I find it interesting (and self validating since I thought this before i started discussing online) that everyone pretty much agrees that PS is a crucial damage source.
Which mathematically it is; but we all univocally think that it is actively the thing to strive for.
turbid needle
Builds don't exist in vacuums like you describe. Of course, if I had no other option I might want a PS source, but that is almost never the case.
dense locust
I dedicate this victory to you my good shade
waxen furnace
yeah, I think most people understand that when discussing hypothetical discussions about dream builds. in an actual run, you play to the hand that you are dealt. qualifying everything with "if you had complete control over what you could pair with X, what would you pick" is a bit exhausting
the benefit of in-a-vacuum discussions for newer players like me, however, is that it develops an understanding of sought after synergies
dense locust
Im on a nearly dream run myself right now
turbid needle
I'm saying in practice you will almost always have 3 or more chances to get a Status Curse.
hollow sorrel
I suppose the two groups of thought are "what is more reliable" and "what could potentially be more powerful"
Zeus and Demeter are definitely the safer option
waxen furnace
I understand that and agree. PS is not a super hard thing to achieve. Not quite what I'm arguing against, though.
hollow sorrel
But picking Artemis, being lucky enough to get support fire, then lucky enough to still get privileged status could be higher damage potential
dense locust
I feel like boiling blood is overlooked, like privileged status older but less succesful brother
waxen furnace
something along those lines yeah, @hollow sorrel.
hollow sorrel
It also matters if you have no choice and/or customs. The less options you have in the game because of punishments, the more difficult it is to get privileged status, and there will be greater value on the boons that inherently give status ailments (which isn't Zeus)
dense locust
I find 1 level in customs to be completely fine most runs, and sometimes makes me sell things I wouldn't normally and benefit from the extra gold
hollow sorrel
Or you could just not follow any of the rules, try for athena attack, and watch how much stuff that deflects
waxen furnace
just got delta chamber on a zeus attack build. this... this seems fun
makes it hard to make good use of hestia, but it's not leveled at all, so I'm not too mad about losing out on that burst at this point. can still reload as need be
dense locust
I'm doing a 19 heat with aspect of zeus shield, found explosive return very first room and now have 5 athena dashes, level 4 demeter special, epic dinonysus attack, poseidon call, and 400 life. I dont think hades stands a chance
waxen furnace
that sounds sick. had not realized explosive return was that valuable actually
just had the game crash on me for the first time (only about 50ish runs in). So easy to forget that this game is in EA, it runs so darn well
dense locust
I also have dodge and damage reduction. There's just so much survivability and I just now started styx
this might be the easiest breeziest run i've had....
I've actually never had the game crash on me before
The game feels finished to me but with the benefit of big content updates all the time
waxen furnace
yep. I usually try and not buy EA games unless the game looks like it's in a state, today, where I would be happy if no future progress was made on the game. Hades looked like it would be. and it is!
prime knoll
With Forced Overtime and Extreme Measures, I have the most trouble with the furies. The other two don't feel terribly different.
that sounds like a crazy zeus shield run. I wish there were post-game stats about damage blocked and stuff.
dense locust
I never dropped below 3/4 hp until hades
It really was just one of those runs
I even had a point the customs heat
The furies are hard with those two heats
If you have a good build, you have to hit and run almost the entire match
This run I had a broken enough build and 200hp, along with a sisy boulder that it was pretty basic. But considering that you haven't had much of a chance to build up, the furies can be harder than the hydra
Do the heat's effects affect the bosses as well? Like is a point in Hard Labor or Calisthenics Program a big boost to the bosses?
hollow sorrel
I think Hard Labor and Forced Overtime affect bosses. I'm actually not sure about Calisthenics
tiny portal
Pretty sure the bosses get the extra hp too from calisthenics
dense locust
I've been trying my best to avoid those as best I can for 20 heats
Hades getting 40% damage is insane
hollow sorrel
That's part of the reason why I don't understand the Zag shield's damage reduction. When I can boost the final boss to +100% damage, am I even going to notice Zag shield's -10% damage? That's not even one heat point's worth of hard labor
dense locust
Yeah I think some of the heat values need to be redone
especially the darkness reduction one...
1 point to reduce your entire kit to practically nothing in comparison to what you get before
gritty acorn
You know those markers on the scroll-like map after every boss fight? Are those rewards or something? I never seem to get them despite going past them.
How do they work?
earnest ravine
They only show what they are if you've already collected them
It's the boss reward that you get first kill under those conditions.
gritty acorn
That's really weird, why would I need that information after the first time I beat them?
torn bison
charm shield of chaos is too good lmao
i just beat hades with him charmed like 3/4s of the fight
waxen imp
1648 darkness
waxen furnace
lovely, thanks
waxen imp
yeet
prime knoll
I see you generally had a purple theme all around- keepsake, buffs, darkness. Too bad you didn't have aspect of Hestia for its purple shot
dense locust
@gritty acorn I don't know what you mean by markers on a scroll-like map
@gritty acorn oh you mean after you beat the boss and you shows you climbing the tower on the map, yeah it just shows the reward you've already collected, or it's blank if you haven't collected that reward yet
waxen imp
i think he means the rewards yeah
balmy zephyr
do we know what the chance of getting a dou boon is if you have the requirements?
bright mulch
Oof worst build I've gotten in a long time
Messed up an Erebus room in Zone 1 because of a dang gray skull
All downhill from there, legit I swear I got like 5 blue doors in a row all darkness
Got drip feed boons after that and almost no gold
Only pulled through due to getting exit wounds in styx and having enough money to pump it like mad
Legit didn't get an actual cast that wasn't Blade Rift until Eleysium
mild crag
Base chance to get a duo or legendary boon is 35% if you meet the requirements
dense locust
Where do you get these numbers, just curious
mild crag
I'm super smart
bright mulch
In other news, I finally completed all the prophecies
mild crag
I checked the game code
dense locust
okay cool
I'm doing my 20 heat with shield right now with zeus aspect shield, zeus special, zeus legendary, zeus cast
zeus call
it feels right
half tartan
I hate the pink butterflies with a burning passion
bright mulch
Butterfly is low key the ultimate DPS check
Can you kill this within 2 seconds of spawn?
If yes, you're good till the end probably, if no start praying to RNGeus to save your build somehow
half tartan
rail isn't very effective against them
turbid needle
It can be.
dense locust
idk about within 2 seconds
half tartan
Fair, I was almost definitely not using it right
dense locust
actually i guess im thinking of the mini boss one
If you kill the mini boss one and never let any of the little spirits revive, you're usually in good shape
half tartan
easier said then done lmao
bright mulch
Basically yeah, if you can easily clear the big ball than you've got stonks if not then the forecast is grim lol
half tartan
C H O N K
sacred idol
@bright mulch I've never been able to down those things in two seconds... is that some kind of Tight Deadline thing?
I have had some fairly easy kills, but not instagibbing the ball. My RNG always puts good boons inside Styx.
quaint gazelle
i always seem to get poseidon's wall slam boon in styx and its absolutely godlike
cause of how claustrophobic it is
bright mulch
While I've never counted, I have had some builds which definitely killed the balls, big and little before any butterflies came out, or only like 5 came out
Granted I'm still at around 10 heat on most weapons
Most of them were thanks to good old Arty
Big crits stacked with Priv for huge deeps
bright mulch
Chonky Rats are another good DPS checker speaking of Styx
If they're getting off more than one poison wave you're probably in trouble lol
sacred idol
Lmao
Can't say I've had that kind of damage more than once or twice.
But this is by what standard?
32 heat? 20 heat? Tight Deadline 2?
Because TD1 is definitely clearable without those numbers, unless you took all the tankier enemies heats, then it's ???
bright mulch
Just around 10, and I'm just exaggerating, it's just my personal metric I use to determine how tough the last boss will be for me lol
bright mulch
Yeah you can win with some real garbo lol, see above build I posted of my last run
dense locust
Most of the time I feel that my build is acceptable going against hades, I kill him without dropping a death defiance
I grossly overestimate what I need to ensure I can win
sacred idol
Most of the time I lose DD even with good builds because that also needs a good player, and I'm not
But FPS capping seems to have made it easier to dodge Hades
turbid needle
I think they synergize.
dense locust
Its between twin, triple or flury, and its mainly to apply doom
sacred idol
How does triple shot work with chain?
dense locust
Id guess each of the 3 can chain
sacred idol
But you need to hit with all 3?
dense locust
But if i hit all three on one dude
I was thinking any of the 3 shots would chain
Which seems good
sacred idol
When are you ever going to hit with the other two outside of melee range though?
dense locust
Yeah Im not going for a melee bow build
sacred idol
If it made the extra arrows fly toward enemies even without needing to land them, that would be more useful, but...
dense locust
So flurry seems best
sacred idol
Twin is good
sacred idol
Got what now
dense locust
doom for 100 on attack
sacred idol
Ares
sacred idol
Not Hades lul
dense locust
you haven't unlocked hades secret attack boon yet?
balmy zephyr
anyone know if ravenous will interacts with blade rift, if you have no cast when my my blade rift from slicing shot hits an enemy do i get the extra damage for technically not having any bloodstones?
sacred idol
But yeah okay, flurry
dense locust
Flurry is just the most boring, I'm super curious how the other two would work
But im not testing right now
Flurry with chain and ares attack is pretty swell
timber turret
Has anyone got wanton ransacking reward (two titans blood)
Im missing two enemies on the list
sacred folio
Yes I got the reward.
timber turret
Second and fourth last dire enemy im missing
sacred folio
They are both mini-bosses in Styx
timber turret
Ahh cool ty
sacred folio
NP
dense locust
Wow the chiron aspect bow with zeus boons and the chain and flurry hammers on attack with doom is proving to be pretty powerful
Wait when did second wind change from 15 seconds to 5 seconds
night path
chiron feels underwhelming to me
dense locust
Well I definitely just had my strongest chrion run yet
Chain and flurry attack with 100 damage doom made my attack amazing, and then pretty much everything else was zeus and poseidon except for demeter on my dash
hades managed about 2/3 of my hp off my initial life
on 19 heat
Poseidon call was coming up every 5 seconds and it does amazing damage
sacred idol
Zeus/Poseidon? What was your Special?
Doesn't that have the issue with not triggering properly?
dense locust
Thunder flourish on special
Along with splitting bolt, double strike, cold fusion and static discharge
sacred idol
Huh. Doesn't that hit only like 2-3 times per volley though
due to the icd
Or did the sheer obscene zeus stacking make up
dense locust
and +30% to special speed
I think the combo of my attack always keeping doom on everything
having every awesome zeus boon
poseidon cast with the duo boon to do bolts on knock back
and then boiling point and clouded judgement with poseidon on call
I would just unleash attacks, specials, and casts, and immediately gain call
I think with chiron, you cannot rely on special as your only damage source
But everything was doomed and jolted at all times, and often chilled because I also had the aoe chill on cast
sacred idol
rofl
with Chiron charged volley and artemis, you absolutely can get big dps out of it, but it really needs priv stat and all to take off
I was unlucky and had my priv procs super late
dense locust
Yeah often times you have to just adjust because that one boon you need never comes
I think the flurry chain hammers on attack are what carried me
every was constantly doomed and taking 100 damage, on top of permanent jolted and constant chill
its like 10 seconds of 2-3 status curse
Ive had the most success with the bow when I'm doing dps from all sources, not just relying on one
keen ocean
Ugh, had some garbage boon luck with hammers. Charged special spear really only feels decent when combined with the exploding one.
night path
Yeah
Charged spear is only good if it one-hits with the charge if it didnt without
Cause otherwise there's no point in taking that upgrade imo
The time spent charging could have been spent throwing another spear/getting backstab
The only other use of charge would be to hit a mob about to spawn
But you can use your spin attack for that too
dense locust
Okay so how does chain shot and sniper shot work together
I assume the chain shot doesnt do the extra damage if the initial shot was too close
night path
This is for HSB, yeah?
dense locust
yeah
night path
I would assume that the chain shot would copy the damage of the initial shot
But it'd be interesting if it didnt
And gained more damage the farther it went
In other words
Yes it wont (probably)
Though it wont affect any boons that don't depend on your attack's damage like zeus or dio
dense locust
Okay after getting 2 +92% dash-attack boons from master chaos, and having chain shot and dual shot along with aphrodite on attack, ive become a dash attack bow build...
night path
That sound fun actually
Get another status effect and you can shred targets like nobody's business
(Provided you have the requisite darkness buff)
dense locust
Yeah its my 20 heat for bow
I had the deflect attacks casuses knock away, and i have athena dash, but I think I had to sell it to customs
Slow damage but with 4 athena dash and athena call I didn't take much damage
frozen pier
Not sure if the Pact Extreme Measures lvl 2 is bugged or not, seems to only change the first two boss fights for me, but lvl 1 & 3 change each fight somewhat. (Not entirely sure about the final boss fight though, I don't notice any significant difference in that fight regardless of what lvl the pact is on)
Also I just had an insane combo of boons in my last run with Poseidon and Zeus's legendries (Double Knockback and Lightning effects) + The Sea Storm Duo on top of those is kinda busted, especially if you have a way to proc lightning or Knockback often. I obliterated every chamber leading up to the final boss within 20 secs after only attacking a few times.
opal bay
each pact of EM increases the difficulty of the boss from 1st to 3rd zone. Each level of the pact upgrades a zone, but nothing more. On level first it's fury sisters, on second hydra and on third the champions
the last boss is currently unaffected
timber temple
@eternal quartz We used to be able to see the health bar when opening the boons menu but even though they removed it from view in favor of character art you can now see your health when highlighting a boon that would affect it.
naive tusk
Does anyone know how Rocket Bomb & Inescapable Blast interact together?
dim rapids
they don't really i think?
i got both before at the same time but i didn't notice anything
chrome viper
see if they get the ''slow'' effect when you shoot, it's like small black lines around enemies
turbid needle
It does work.
It miiiiiiiiight linger on for a bit afterwards, it's been a minute since I've seen it.
chrome viper
it doesn't say that they shouldn't interact so it probably affects enemies where the rocket will hit
naive tusk
I will keep an eye out for the black lines to see if it lingers. Thank you for the answers 
Oh, I see them! It does linger after they get hit by the blast
chrome viper
that's odd considering the description says they're slowed while the projectile flies, not when it hits
naive tusk
So I have Demeter’s attack, which can stack the slow up to 40%. With Inescapable Blast, that would up it to 115% slow?
chrome viper
though if it works it works I guess!
dim rapids
the interaction is pretty weird
sacred idol
@naive tusk Apparently, it slows for a very short time. Not amazing, but it's something.
The slow is PROBABLY capped like DR
naive tusk
Bummer 
dim rapids
i've used inescapable blast on chariotis and they literally crawl
versed coyote
Question: is getting a boon to replace owned ones, for all 3 slots, intended ? I got this right at the end of a run and all 3 possible boons to choose from would replace one I got already.
chrome viper
afaik you can only get 1 exchange in one of your three options
maybe I'm wrong though
gloomy scroll
I have seen multiple exchanges at once
chrome viper
I'm definitely wrong then
dim rapids
i've gotten double exchanges at least 3 times within 5 runs
versed coyote
Can't upload to discord, here's an imgur link
https://i.imgur.com/wlT9MV1.jpg
turbid needle
...Huh.
versed coyote
I've been hunting the Blackout Boon for like more than 10 hours for the prophecy and just when I thought I'd finally get it, game shows this 😄
sacred idol
RNGesus
dim rapids
dio really wants to connect with you on a personal level
sacred idol
the real god here
versed coyote
Petition for next God in game to be RNGJesus 😄
dim rapids
chaos is pretty much RNGesus
versed coyote
Fair point
Also I've been hunting the Chaos boon that IIRC just gives you an extra death defy and just can not get it 😄
dim rapids
i got mine by bringing a yarn in
idk if it actually helps though
and also, in like at least 100+ runs i've only gotten it like, 3 times
and you can't get it as your first choice
chrome viper
my man Dio lowkey being petty with his old man
uncut plank
guys I need advice
chrome viper
it might have something to do with the game trying to give you their duo boon
uncut plank
how do you guys start your runs with no plan, you just roll with what you're given
like what keepsake do you run
dim rapids
depends on weapon
also if you have no idea what you want to run, generally getting athena is good
uncut plank
yeah athena is fantastic in many cases but I'm tryna branch out a bit. I've used her a lot lmao
I've thought about running coin purse or cosmic egg
sacred idol
What keybinds do KBM folks here use?
sacred idol
🥚 can get you some really nasty builds with some weapons
cough GY throw cough Hestia rail cough
dim rapids
i've actually not run egg at all unless i'm farming for darkness or i have 2 chaos gates queued up in a row lol
chrome viper
personally I always start with the Coin purse unless I want to try to get something specific
I get coin purse because I let the game determine which boons I get at the start (Since you don't really need boons to clear Tartarus), and in the next biomes I get the keepsakes from the Gods I got in Tartarus, and try to get Duos or even Legendaries
Then at Styx I either get any of the defensive keepsakes or Skull Earring if I'm feeling confident
versed coyote
Honestly I'm trying to 3star all the keepsakes so I start off with whichever I have not upgraded, almost have all of them done except the specific God boons.
Athena is great because dash deflect is a good one to have regardless of weapon imo.
Trying to get prophecies otherwise and I've had those experimental prophecy runs when I'm winging it turn into amazing builds.
uncut plank
https://gyazo.com/2ad84ce49fea8985045369b6bd7bf69c these are my keybinds for mouse/keyboard. I don't use controller anymore
simple rover
bro
sacred idol
finally hit pay dirt and got epic zeus attack on my first pull, nice
sacred idol
I currently have reload on lower mouse button and cast on upper
dim rapids
i recently leveled up most of my useless 1 star keepsakes to 3
while farming darkness at the same time
uncut plank
my most recent run was with hades spear, I actually managed to buff up my attack so so many times. If I had any kind of crit from artemis it would've been absolutely nuts
sacred idol
Gotta say. For rail specifically, this is ridiculously good to be on KBM
dim rapids
coin purse at start is the general 'strat' for people who want to explore
although for me i dislike it
uncut plank
Wasn't purse nerfed? or no
dim rapids
i always like to force boons in tartarus
in fact i'm always forcing boons whenever possible
sacred idol
Should I take Ares next?
Zeus on attack, eris rail
Chaos door as well
does Chaos have any really strong synergies with zeus railing
dim rapids
i would recommend ares if you didn't run eris, but on eris i'm not sure
battle rage + hestia sniper = ridiculous damage
sacred idol
I mean it does buff doom damage
but the only duo I can get is vengeful, sad
unless I were to actively pursue a duo vengeance and take Athena keepsake hoping for her revenge
uncut plank
https://gyazo.com/ebcb130ccf6869a94c25ac203ba7f20b
this was my most recent run, last night or something. It was with the hades aspect on spear. I left-clicked really hard but I wish I had some kind of crit boon from artemis too
dim rapids
unless you play slowly with bombard for battle rage
heroic doom with all those attack boons
feels wasted
sacred idol
Imagine that with aphro or, yeah, pom'd artemis
uncut plank
I also had the faster sweep hammer upg. It was nice
sacred idol
Anyway, is it worth trying my luck with Chaos?
dim rapids
you can try serrated + artemis dash + artemis attack
sacred idol
the Ares room is a miniboss in tartarus
dim rapids
usually if a chaos and miniboss room is offered together
the exit will be a miniboss room
that's what i've noticed
sacred idol
mmmm
sacred idol
may as well try, chaos can't screw me harder than last run 4head
all loot
darkness, obols
or a cast
uncut plank
Rail is actually my least used weapon by far, I think I'm gonna do a run on it right now. Does anyone have a suggested build to go for? What should I aim for
dim rapids
more foes doesn't really matter if you're not running tight deadline or not dying badly
dim rapids
traps doesn't really matter if you don't step on them
hestia rail + artemis attack/special
sacred idol
Okay. Athena standard, or Artemis miniboss.
uncut plank
hestia, artemis attack/special with battle rage. that's all?
dim rapids
i'd just take athena for deflect dash unless you're aiming for support fire on artemis
turbid needle
Just watched Haelian do basically that with Rocket Bomb.
But with Hestia you can also do Hunter Dash.
dim rapids
you don't really need anything else on hestia
if you're killing everything with artemis special/attack
- battlerage
uncut plank
Oh Hestia is actually the one-shot then reload aspect. I've never actually used this one. Sounds clunky a bit
dim rapids
you can get your privileged status from your call or cast as well
or other sources
it's pretty much the best aspect
uncut plank
I've used the other weps a TON but never hestia
sacred idol
strafing is infinitely superior to controller play on eris rail though, hot damn.
sacred idol
basic divine dash. not bad, since damage is irrelevant
uncut plank
is hestia not worth it unless maxed?
sacred idol
3 can get you through lower heats, 4-5 to really main it
getting darkness one room before chaos profit, oof
sacred idol
hmm
Dionysus
Any point in taking that on eris rail
Try for Scintillating with Festive Fog?
that or shop, I do have 425 obols
this kinda run is super unfamiliar, never done zeus/eris properly before.
hm, I can try that, lock demeter, and hope
uncut plank
omg epic deadly strike for first boon on hestia 🙏 thank you rngesus. sounds nasty
rancid shore
hope you get ice wine
uncut plank
yeah
so do I just never use special on hestia then? if it's based around your attack?
rancid shore
use it whenever you reload
sacred idol
yeah I'm gonna lock Demeter and pray to RNG for Ice Wine Scintillating Feast
aka, the unholy death pot
turbid needle
You can use Special and reload simultaneously.
uncut plank
what daed upg's do I get for hestia
turbid needle
Explosive or Piercing Fire and Triple Bombard.
uncut plank
tyty
rancid shore
is cluster not okay on that?
turbid needle
It is, but I think Triple Bomb is better for control if you're not dedicating to a Cluster build.
uncut plank
got explosive aye. seems good
manic ermine
Explosive hestia has great clear
sacred idol
I think if you're using KBM, Cluster is great
Because you can, well, cluster them up REALLY close together
rancid shore
man, i wish cluster rocket was a little less bow special
turbid needle
It's significantly better, at least.
rancid shore
true haha
sacred idol
hah, all epics today
the curse is broken
except athena dash, the least important to rarity boost
rancid shore
inb4 jinxed for saying curse is broken
uncut plank
oop
that's funny someone was just talking about the chaos death defiance +1 use, i just saw it heh
sacred idol
blinding flash into eury
hmmmm
yeah, this seed is good
Ice Wine!
Aaand I DD'd on Hydra still, because I'm dumb and always forget that if you can't cheese Extreme Lernie, dashing around like an idiot just lights your ass on fire.
LOL
Okay, now the RNG's starting to rear its head. Patroclus versus my second hammer.
chrome viper
@stiff stone Zagreus Aspect is meant to be lackluster
It's the ''base'' weapon you unlock at the beginning, that's why they just boost existing mechanics instead of adding something new
uncut plank
I apologize if I missed it but does Delta Chamber work on hestia's first shot?
are all 3 empowered?
sacred idol
I mean, Zagreus spear isn't.
I don't think they're all meant to be bad by design.
It's just that some are objectively better/more interesting than others.
Nope, useless @uncut plank
manual reload anyway, and one shot only
naive tusk
Only the 1st shot @uncut plank
naive tusk
Delta Chamber is not good at all with Hestia
chrome viper
Oh I didn't mean to say they're bad
sacred idol
Lackluster isn't much different.
But they could be reworked to be less boring than, say, Shield's
Spread fire is the same.
rancid shore
apparently when you get spread fire with hestia, you do a normal empowered shot without a spread and then spread for the rest
naive tusk
I have a question about stacking slows. I have Demeter’s Chill (slow up to 40%) + Killing Freeze (20% slow if all enemies are chilled) + Epic Numbing Sensation (enemies are 33% slower if they have hangover)
Does that mean I could make them up to 93% slower?
uncut plank
ty penguins
chrome viper
that's your opinion though
sacred idol
but a joke you have to pay for to get Skelly
chrome viper
it's not bad for the people who use it
chrome viper
I gave an explanation on why the decision to keep the first aspects simple
dont be so hostile lmao
sacred idol
irony
naive tusk
I actually had a pretty fun build for Zagreus Sword and it worked wonders 
rancid shore
tbf irony in text is so impossible that even if you put something like "/sarcasm" in it, some people will still think you're serious
chrome viper
I think Zagreus Spear is the only one I don't use
mostly because I avoid spear special builds
sacred idol
no I'm saying, the irony of calling me hostile when I specifically put the :^)
I'm memin
zagreus sword is just a basic sword, but you're on hermes juice...
rancid shore
oh yeah i'm attempting to explain why they thought you were serious
at least zag sword feels different when you upgrade it
zag shield just be sitting there
sacred idol
personally, I don't care much, back to this run
Zagreus spear is unironically the best one.
Zag bow is acceptable.
rancid shore
i agree
sacred idol
It's a reliable, workhorse buff that actually makes good things happen.
Someone 32 heated on Zag bow.
Zag shield and rail are arguably the least interesting and usually least useful.
Zag sword...
I think its issues are more to do with the sword's issues
And how it does nothing to improve on the things that are really core problems of the sword, which makes it feel worse
aka: you can't outrun animation lagging to your death
rancid shore
it really bugs me that you don't get hyper armor on sword special
chrome geyser
I seem to hit my current skill ceiling 😦 I am stuck on 13 heat.
chrome geyser
oh that is good! Eris is my favourite.
sacred idol
@rancid shore That and perhaps a small DPS boost up at base, especially post Nemesis nerf, would put the base blade at a far superior position and generally be better/more fun
LUL I got the crap beat out of me by Asterius
stiff stone
@chrome viper I get they’re for new players who need to get the other mechanics before playing with more new ones, all I said was that they feel dull. They’re not necessarily bad, but they’re not good either and I don’t use them for that reason. I need more utility in high heat.
sacred idol
then did no damage theseus after one hit
or like, after no hits.
Some are really good, spear and bow are definitely 32 viable @stiff stone
uncut plank
I have to say, hestia with artemis attack is slappin some cheeks. I've even got some chaos attack boons
I'm diggin it
sacred idol
yeah that's scary when it happens
a high rare/pom Pressure Points on Aphro too.
although Chaos is your aphrodite here
so...
stiff stone
You can criticize for 2k ez with that combo
uncut plank
I got a little unlucky with no battle rage ares boon tho. even tho I swapped to ares keepsake at the start of asphodel
sacred idol
yeah, get that pressure points to mega stack
stiff stone
Crit*
chrome viper
Shield and Bow sound like solid choices for higher heat
uncut plank
maybe next time
sacred idol
Shield is only fine because it's Shield, innately the easiest to use in the game.
The 10% DR is just... well, 10%
stiff stone
^
chrome viper
The thing is that Chaos Aspect eventually is better because of the ammount of hits
uncut plank
well shield has block too tho. insanely strong
rancid shore
chaos aspect is just better zag if you don't get hit with either
sacred idol
that is ultimately the point
although at 15% it was a more compelling pick by a very small margin
uncut plank
correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't zag shield originally like 20-25% dmg reduction or something
chrome viper
not get hit and higher heat dont go together
sacred idol
well, no one's that good, but 10% is too low to really feel significant
uncut plank
I thought it was something super high
sacred idol
uh, idk
chrome viper
yeah stjern they nerfed most of the defensive stuff in this patch
stiff stone
Yea
rancid shore
it was 15 in december
sacred idol
I do think the nerfs feel a bit unwarranted
Except to athena dash
that feels fine now, it was just straight up broken before
stiff stone
Yea
chrome viper
spearpoint was the go-to defensive keepsake too
sacred idol
it's still really good, at least
rancid shore
anyone know why they nerfed the purse
sacred idol
Zero cooldown was broken, yes
It doesn't need to be quite as high as it is now, but it was broken
stiff stone
Cause economy is king @rancid shore
naive tusk
Shopping OP
chrome viper
they tried to bring gold gains down for more ''interesting'' choices regarding paths
sacred idol
What the heck, though.
rancid shore
they also upped the prices though
sacred idol
I have only one zeus boon this entire run
chrome viper
I think they saw everyone was taking shop
sacred idol
the meme side of my RNG
amazing boon rolls EXCEPT only one zeus spawn in the entire seed
stiff stone
But now it’s back to what it used to be
sacred idol
again, I fail to get a zeus rail run
and instead get a frickin' demeter/dionysus run
sacred idol
monkey's paw
chrome viper
The shop already serves as an encounter skip so I kinda undestand why they tried to make it ''balanced''
but it's just not fun
sacred idol
I mean it's still disgusting damage
stiff stone
It really isn’t
sacred idol
the shop nerf does suck
sacred idol
Does anyone still take shop on shop price heats
chrome viper
it was like a niche last buy before you beat the game, I don't think it guaranteed beating Hades or anything like that
stiff stone
Sometimes yea, to skip encounters
sacred idol
You know what I have ZERO understanding of?
Delta Chamber
Why was it made into that? It functionally just nerfs Infinity
rancid shore
was infinity dps that high?
chrome viper
I dont think I understand how Delta is a nerf to Infinity honestly
stiff stone
I like it, it changes how we play
manic ermine
you shoot faster
rancid shore
I stopped taking it after I realized I could special while reloading
stiff stone
And you can keep dashing while doing it
sacred idol
Huh. Is that so.
chrome viper
that's the point of it
manic ermine
Dash, fire four shots, dash again
stiff stone
You can effectively have the attack button taped down and just dash/aim
sacred idol
I was under the impression the math was generally in favor of Infinity for non dash setups.
chrome viper
Infinity chamber was just a niche hammer that was for starters who didn't like the reload mechanic, in fact, when Rail was first released, most of the feedback was people complaining about having to reload
I'm glad they changed Infinity Chamber into something more functional
manic ermine
you couldn't move and reload originally
chrome viper
oh that was just dumb
stiff stone
Ooooh weird
sacred idol
I'm now actually interested in DPS calcs on Delta
chrome viper
but after they patched it there was still a bit of a discussion about the reload
rancid shore
hearing about older patches of the game feels like learning about the dark ages
sacred idol
haha winter harvest, thanks demeter
chrome viper
You know what I do not miss? old dash
sacred idol
I started in... uh, Welcome to Hell?
chrome viper
I do miss the 3 charges but the INSTANT TRANSMISSION dash was so clunky
stiff stone
It’s pretty cool @rancid shore check out some YouTube vods :LUL:
stiff stone
Good luck
sacred idol
@chrome viper Does anyone have numbers on that delta thing?
rancid shore
so the delay between the 3 bullet burst is net shorter than the delay between 3 infinity chamber bullets? am I understanding that right?
sacred idol
if that's true then it's fine
rancid shore
idk i've been wrong before. something about my reading comprehension and discord just doesn't jive
stiff stone
Nice
sacred idol
lightning wine, normal edition
hopefully hermes will cough up legendary
yeet
no speed record, but maximum fun
stiff stone
Looking pretty good!
sacred idol
almost. max fun would be triple duo cold fusion
stiff stone
Gonna jump into a run as well, see if I can keep my 11 20heat streak going
stiff stone
Prolly yea hehe
waxen imp
back then you could have infinite chamber and explosive fire and just stunlock everything infinitely
stiff stone
Good times
sacred idol
I'm just not used to the KBM controls, and I screwed up badly on the hydra...
or else I'd be faster
Wow. I only lack Exclusive Access and frickin' Lightning Rod
rancid shore
The one and only time I've gotten Exclusive Access was as my last boon in Styx
sacred idol
Athena legendary, four Poseidon boons, Ares and Dio legendaries... mostly some hammers, and not a lot else
stiff stone
KBM is hard to get used too, but pretty good
sacred idol
neat, most of my fates stuff is done
and I've barely even gotten past 6 heats
What weapons would be recommended to pursue those gods' completions with?
primal mica
https://imgur.com/GE2aJZR
That was fun.
sacred idol
Good pairs with Ares blender build and Dio fog/poison dual spec
stiff stone
oh for boon pickups?
sacred idol
for using the boons effectively
stiff stone
hmm depends what you have left
you can try to plan combos around them or just get them whenever you see them
i did the latter
sacred idol
that's all I have left, poseidon just has generic boons and legendary.
rancid shore
well athena's is perfect for any cast build aspect
tiny shadow
i read dio as DIO and not dionysus and it triggered my fight or flight response
sacred idol
who doesn't
I don't have any cast aspects though.
Don't have the blood to make them really good
stiff stone
poseidon sword
sacred idol
yeah, which I have locked.
stiff stone
you don't need it tho, any aspect can be a cast run tbh
stiff stone
casts are rly stong by themselves
sacred idol
lightning ice wine is just busted, with or without jolted
rancid shore
it's obviously not as a good as max but even rank 1 poseidon aspect is good for cast builds
stiff stone
yea
rancid shore
better than zag sword
sacred idol
ugh I hate sword tho
playstyle just doesn't work for me
I'm bad at evading, so...
0 heat lol
rancid shore
honestly i feel that
stiff stone
same, same
rancid shore
I never touched sword again until I unlocked poseidon aspect
uncut plank
I think my best cast build ever ran was like a like 19 min run with achilles spear, I ran demeter's beam. it was weird, surprisingly very good. not sure what other boons I had but my hades kill was absurdly fast
sacred idol
hunting blades is obviously not suitable to cast-embeddy aspects
weird
I've never had demeter beam do me any good, even with the duo
rancid shore
any shield should be good imo for poseidon boons
maybe achilles spear
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demeted
stiff stone
melt everything
rancid shore
demented demeter
stiff stone
demeter* lol
sacred idol
is that what happens when everything gets killing freeze'd and winter harvested
they get demeted
stiff stone
hahaha
vernal lark
Damn
uncut plank
How did you get up to 14 wtf
vernal lark
I just had a broken game
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wait, no, not achilles, it's rank 1
stiff stone
well i had 7 casts with the artemis boon which places a second one
rancid shore
3 base + chaos/shop + legendary athena + double shot
uncut plank
oh I misunderstood then
vernal lark
I had blizzard shot+arte dual cast+arte legendary
uncut plank
thought you legit had 14 bloodstones or w/e
vernal lark
12 blizzard shots maulling hades in a few seconds
stiff stone
maybe with a lot of chaos boons and charon keepsake
rancid shore
you can probably go up to 8, maybe 9 or 10 depending on rng
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Rank 0 aspects: All Zagreus except Spear
Rank 1 aspects: Nemesis, Achilles
Locked aspects: Poseidon, Hades, Zeus, Hera
And Hestia at rank 4
What do I prioritize now
for fun and/or profit
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hades...?
vernal lark
@sacred idol wdym
uncut plank
hades is the spin attack spear
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without quick spin it's kinda
rancid shore
zag bow is mildly fun when you want to roll attack on it
rancid shore
achilles meaningfully changes how you play with the spear though, so I'd go with that
stiff stone
achiles is rly fun
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forgot to list, maxed everything else on that - GY, Eris, Chaos, Chiron
problem is
I'm broke, fam
stiff stone
😦
rancid shore
honestly the stat boost to achilles is secondary to the rushing for me
vernal lark
hera bow is best imo
vernal lark
So much burst
stiff stone
it's part of the fun for me
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I do love the idea of Zeus and Achilles aspects
stiff stone
they're both good
rancid shore
zeus takes a bit of getting used to
stiff stone
albeit not that straightforward as Zag/Chaos aspects
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well, zeus just seems actually fun to play
stiff stone
give it a shot
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which one is better without being maxed, hmm
stiff stone
try it with Athena/Zeus if you get to it
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or should I just like
stiff stone
try both
sacred idol
do 3 more heat runs
and then max an aspect outright
I guess Eris would be good for Ares Cast, right?
stiff stone
ya
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Since it doesn't really work with either of the traditional cast weapons due to non-embedding, and it buffs the shreddy blender...
yeah, Ares needs a keepsake level anyway
uncut plank
Achilles aspect doesn't care about embedding
So it's preference between that and Eris I think
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How many Ambrosias do you need?
15 if you can't bear to take Dusa's gifts back...
but per keepsake to max upgrade, how many
manic ermine
10
stiff stone
i took my ambrosia back LUL
sacred idol
I've done 21 clears...
stiff stone
it's hard to come by