Chaos is also a he and a she, though
#h1-builds-and-combat
atomic panther
But Chaos specifically uses they pronouns in the game
prime knoll
I imagine the concept of gender is irrelevant for Chaos.
waxen furnace
Does Chaos use they, or is it just the people around Chaos who use they?
oblique tusk
afaik Chaos never says anything about it
atomic panther
The characters and the game itself refer to Chaos with they
atomic panther
In other languages, gender-neutral possessive pronouns are used for Chaos
prime knoll
Even the Olympian and Cthonic gods having gender doesn't seem entirely apt. š¤
prime knoll
Nice! That looks like fun
naive tusk
It was hilarious
kind cloud
it would be nice if the game gave me about half of those boons...but heat, gemstones, heat, gemstones, fook off game
naive tusk
They missed their attacks, got poisoned as I dashed away then jolted + doomed
prime knoll
I just had a Guan Yu run that felt awesome. I felt untouchable. I finished the last boss with a charge left on my acorn. I'll post the post-game in a sec.
naive tusk
Sure thing! I'd like to see that 
prime knoll
nice special upgrades on your blade
waxen furnace
holy carp. just won my first guan yu run, that felt utterly irredeemable when I used 3 revives on the furies. got 1 more in a shop, filled up 3 more in elysium event... and that was enough to carry me through the final fight. I am shooketh
quick + massive spin is a helluva combo
naive tusk
Wooo congratz!
waxen furnace
homing ares casts and dio call in addition meant that there was a ton of swirly things going around. what a fun time
naive tusk
It will be easier the more you get used to it and obviously with more lvs on it
waxen furnace
yeah! it's at a 60% health penalty right now
bigger cerberus collar will also help
naive tusk
Bruh, 2 chaos attack boons to further the spin XD
analog lodge
Hunting blades AND guan yu is just not fair on poor old Hades at all.
naive tusk
It's not fair he summons his minions mid fight
prime knoll
I also quick and massive spin. It was delightful.
analog lodge
He kind of needs the help tbh, I am beating him on the regular now
prime knoll
@waxen furnace which attack boon you have with guan yu?
waxen furnace
artemis. it was that or ares
prime knoll
I had Dio at first and sold it to get Athena. That's when things got silly.
Aphro on Special with +39% speed, I'd charge a giant deflecting disc, then spam spears into stuff until nothing moved.
naive tusk
Dig it
prime knoll
and in case I wasn't safe enough, I had Athena dash x5
analog lodge
That sounds almost as OP as Hunting blades + Ares Legend
prime knoll
I love a run with a fully decked out rift
prime knoll
Going full Ares is a ton of fun but completely unreliable to do
analog lodge
reminds me when I got zeus and support fire on rail then melted hades
prime knoll
lol. I ended up with 118... (I'm at -65%). I never proc'd death defiance, though!
waxen furnace
only just starting 2 heat runs. what heat options do you find most bearable?
I've been running either jury summons or extreme measures so far, for the most part
prime knoll
@waxen furnace it varies for me based on weapon. I feel fine with both damage shields first on rail
Calisthenics isn't bad either
analog lodge
I usually run the first two extreme measures and the increased enemy speed(the second one is to give myself a challenge)
naive tusk
The š heat is basically 2 extra hits on enemies
prime knoll
Yeah, first tier of Forced Overtime is a fun addition
waxen furnace
forced overtime adds 3 heat though. guess I could still run with it
analog lodge
But once you get good time limit becomes meaningless. I intend to actually start doing 2 ranks of that every run.
naive tusk
The calisthenics heat adds more hp to enemies but itās not really as bad as it sounds
analog lodge
If you are not good though, avoid time limit
waxen furnace
yeah that seems bad for me for now lol
prime knoll
The HP isn't very noticeable
prime knoll
I tried the time limit the other day and managed to win, but it was so stressful. It was satisfying to finish each zone faster than the one before it, though!
naive tusk
Not only is the matter of ābeing goodā, but it also doesnāt let you get gold vases or troves leisurely
waxen furnace
giving bosses 15% health seems a bit painful but yeah on many builds that seems better than a whole extra hit blocked
prime knoll
Yeah the HP to enemies. The reduced healing isn't really noticeable on Guan Yu. That's what I just ran.
naive tusk
I donāt do Forced Overtime so I can farm peacefully, even though Iām capable of clearing runs in a short time
jagged canopy
I avoid calisthenics 100% of the time
prime knoll
I had maxed reduced healing and didn't notice.
waxen furnace
extreme measures apparently isn't necessary for furthering meg stuff (was mentioned on reddit that it was), but I figure I might a well get used to it
jagged canopy
my go to are always Forced Overtime, 2 ranks of Extreme Measures and Tight deadline, that gives 14 heat
from there I add shop prices, or less healing etc
naive tusk
Yes, I recommend you get used to Extreme Measures
analog lodge
Go for enemy speed, it may make it much harder, but you will get used to it and improve more as a result.
The ones I would choose in order to get better is enemy speed, time limit, extreme measures and enemy number. As instead of just makeing things take longer they effect how you end up playing.
waxen furnace
fair point. will try enemy speed once I can make use of 3 heat (soon)
jagged canopy
I like to go fast so i avoid more health and more spawns
even then, with forced ot and tight deadline i always have pretty decent leftover time
opal bay
Does anyone here done a successful 32 heat run with Guan Yu aspect? And if so, what did you pick?
waxen furnace
ahhhh. picked the rose, got the aphro special on a chaos shield run... I see the value this is great
dense locust
Guan yu is super powerful for me until Hades, and then my lack of hp just destroys me
analog lodge
@jagged canopy That is something that makes sense. More spawns slows you down a lot - it is also very hard.
waxen furnace
thinking of which duos seem worth going for with aphro special. athena doesn't seem like a super worthy duo but athena attack seems valuable for runs like this. dio and ares due are not so useful as I won't be using attack to stack much stuff on people. I guess poseidon duo is an option? but I've never gotten greatttt mileage from bonus pom level before
silver rover
recently, i just realized that the hestia railgun is kinda like the tf2 sniper's sniper rifle.
hestia powered up after reload base damage 150 = tf2 sniper aimed sniped shot
then after the spray and pray = tf2 sniper machine gun mode
analog lodge
That is the theme with Guan Yu, amazing for normal encounters, risky in boss fights
Go for an attack that curses, for privilaged status
EDIT:tagged wrong marah
If you pick Ares it can be awesome with the duo
waxen furnace
I think you tagged the wrong person, but yeah that makes sense lol. that would mean demeter dio or ares. demeter might be fun
getting ares to proc would be a tad annoying. but I guess if you're always bull rushing anyways...
naive tusk
Rip other Mara
analog lodge
Both Ares and dio result in a great dot when paired with aphro
My PB is an ares normal (Zeus) special on chaos shield
Edit;misrembered the PB, was actually zeus
Concidering that you only land one normal before a special with chaos shield, ares is probably better than dio in this case, but any curse at all gets privilaged status up
waxen furnace
aaand got ares attack from a shop mid tartarus. let the fun commence
next room: athena dash
kind cloud
wtf are the grey skulls in erebus? it takes 2 artesmis poseidon casts to knock their armor off? dafuq?
waxen furnace
how exactly does Dire Misfortune work (doom effects dealing more damage when applied multiple times)? Is it if you apply doom again after the first stack runs out on the same enemy?
prime knoll
After finishing the 4 heat Guan Yu run, I've decided to dial it to 22 and see what happens.
waxen furnace
It's between that and a 10% boost to all damage, which seems quite a bit better...
prime knoll
Okay extra damage from traps while using Guan Yu is... not a genius plan.
I kept accidentally charging on the edge of lava pools
mild crag
@waxen furnace it's each hit of doom you do on the enemy while they already have doom on them
It increases the dooms damage by a flat amount
waxen furnace
ah, I see.
so it's a way of making repeated hits while doom is still applied not-so-useless
mild crag
Yessu
turbid needle
It's, uh, not great, but it's there.
kind cloud
This game's rng is super freaking annoying...
chaos gave me +92% increase to sword special, i have aphrodite keepsake, so you would expect to get her special right? Right? RIGHT? RIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTT?
Nope.
Instead, I get her dash and the rare version of it. F off. I'm probably a little too pissed off to be thinking straight. I'm so close to snapping.
I have given up about 75 times in the past 3 days trying to max out a poseidon sword artemis cast built because her keepsake gives me her epic cast to start.
I'm super jaded after trying the level/reward manipulation stuff.
My favorite (re: most infuriating start) was in tartarus when the rng gave me erebus, chaos, and the 2 boons i wanted all in the same room after clearing it. F off.
turbid needle
Trying to force a build will make you go crazy. You should just take what you get and do what you can with it.
kind cloud
i've slowly come to that realization, i think i need a break from this game.
turbid needle
If you're raging about RNG, you shouldn't play a game that is so heavily reliant on RNG.
opal bay
RNG is a bit of thing for Rogue-Likes, if not for that you get Rad the game.
(Yes I know Rad rng, just that it feels rather small and not much apparent compared to other rogue like).
dense locust
This game gives you a lot of different ways to steer the rng in your favor though
prime knoll
Okay. Took me 65 mins, and now I'm going to bed, but I just went from 7 heat best to 19 heat. š https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/790882344012029921/2DAD410261132A6136527C1BFFB02365FE2D61EE/
dense locust
65!?
prime knoll
lvl 2 Guan Yu
dense locust
You must have been kiting like a mad man
sacred idol
dense locust
lvl 5 guan yu is so much better
prime knoll
Idk how it took so long, but I was in the zone.
dense locust
You probably kited a lot
made sure you whittle down the enemies without getting hurt too badly
prime knoll
I noticed several different pacts that I'd used that I don't mind, so I figured I'd turn them all on and try a couple more while I was at it. XD
My Athena Spin kept me safe and killed ranged foes, and my Aphrodite Special nuked stuff
It was a ton of fun, but I'm exhausted.
I did manage to only proc my acorn twice during the last fight (partially thanks to my Divine Shield)
Breaching Skewer is solid.
dense locust
Is charged shot damage modified by +attack damage?
turbid needle
Yes.
dense locust
thanks
silver rover
Trying to force a build will make you go crazy. You should just take what you get and do what you can with it.
@turbid needle i think this is supergiantgames' way of saying, "here, try these, and these, and these boons, see if you can beat the game!"
turbid needle
@solar badge Holy moly! Is that the reload aspect?
silver rover
@solar badge Holy moly! Is that the reload aspect?
@turbid needle ?
turbid needle
You responded to my rail gun criticism š
You talked about massive damage up to 1.5 k non crit
turbid needle
I see, time to invest some blood then!
turbid needle
Looks good!
silver rover
railgun hestia base damage =
150 x 4.03
= 604.5
this damage is before boiling blood and privileged status
well, provided if you dash and then shoot
and managed to shoot something š
turbid needle
And that's a maxed out hestia right?
silver rover
ya level 5 hestia base shot is 150 after a manual reload
for the special, triple rocket bombs,
100 x 4.58
= 458 damage per rocket, before boiling blood and privileged status
i think it becomes 558 per rocket after privileged status
turbid needle
Lets see š
Looks solid, I just hate that reloading has to be done with right thumpstick for pad. Maybe I can remap that
silver rover
ah, i'm using WASD so the R key is just nearby my left hand index finger š
turbid needle
Yeah
Most do š
WTF, hydra just knocked out my coin and darkness drop from my companion
I can't find it anymore xd
dim rapids
So I just got Thanatos in a room where it was mostly Skullcrushers and he was killing them while in the air with his instant-kill attack... one of the few rooms that I actually can't win against Than in, and it feels slightly bs
silver rover
how much charon obals (gold) do we get from bouldy summon per encounter btw?
chrome geyser
about 60 i think.
dense locust
I find competing against thanatos is easier with the easier to kill enemies
dim rapids
60-90
he drops 2-3 gold pickables
each pickable is 30
and it's not affected by gold% chaos boons (for some reason, probably a bug)
dense locust
Oh nevermind I was just thinking of the floating skuls
I don't think its a bug, I think they wanted the increased resources only applying to rooms that supply that resource
But I guess treasure troves are affected by increased
increases
so who knows
dim rapids
everything is affected by gold% increase except sisyphus drops
and it's probably a bug since darkness from sisyphus is also increased with boons
also twin shot + chain shot on bow allows you to shoot through walls lmao
opal bay
I still kind of wish the darkness given by Sisyphus would give that 5 hp
dim rapids
that would be pretty ridiculously broken
an SS tier companion.
dim rapids
i rather buff dusa
turbid needle
For real genesis?
smoky oasis
dim rapids
dusa is the worst companion right now
hollow sorrel
Dusa is the only one thatās really worse than the others. I usually switch between Skelley and Than, some people really like Megās quick damage, and a lot of people like the boulder companion
I donāt think Iāve ever seen anyone write āDusa is so usefulā
silver rover
i like than, i mainly use than to silence theseus after he screams for help from above
sacred folio
TIL: Aspect of Achilles decreases the range of special by 10%. Maybe the developers think it's too OP and needs a secret nerf
chrome geyser
Does meg do instant damage or in a few instances? Can her attack trigger block kreaking and oneshot? I usually take bouldy for the extra gold injection in styx but having issues with the elite butterfly boi on some burst weak runs.
analog lodge
Concidering that achilles makes you dash the special range decrease is a buff, it prevents you from flying into lava so easily
turbid needle
@dim rapids Oh yeah exactly, I thought you meant it was good š
sacred folio
Given that I can't really control where I could land after a Raging Rush, I'd prefer longer range to chase stray enemies faster.
serene pewter
Can someone explain the Budget Cuts pact of punishment option to me? I don't quite understand it
turbid needle
You can only spend the ammount of (given) in the mirror. All the other darkness is stored back to your "purse?"
So you don't really lose any stored darkness you spent into the mirror, is what I'm trying to say.
I'm bad at English, it's not my native language
unkempt pagoda
it puts a cap on the max amount of darkness that can be put into the mirror
so at the first level, you can only put 2500 darkness into the mirror
analog lodge
Got a new PB with Arte special +Aphro arte duo + pierced butterfly On chiron bow
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2001094342
Now to try to beat it
dusky drum
thats scary
I cant wait for the day someone does an entire run without getting hit and they just get pierced butterfly to the best it can do
because there's like 6 rooms that arent encounters
and the other 63 still are
but that is a lot of luck
analog lodge
Pierced butterfly no-hit speedruns? Sounds like those would be fun to watch
dusky drum
yea
analog lodge
As it stands I only got hit in a few rooms, which IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH
dusky drum
i can do tarturus without getting hit
and i can do most of asphodel
elysium im still iffy on
and styx is easy
analog lodge
I had more trouble with evading hits in styx due to number of enemies and the fury sisters clipped me once
(but that was in the rooms that do not count)
(as buttefly does not care about styx corridoors)
dusky drum
yea
but like
if you are completly optimal and go through all of styx without getting hit
how much is 3 star butterfly??
i have lvl 2
analog lodge
My butterfly was lv2 for most of the run, so I would not know
analog lodge
3 is 2% yes
dusky drum
so best case, you can get over 100% with butterfly
opal bay
I don't like 40% speed up skulls
opal bay
they are probably the most annoying enemies to get used to
analog lodge
I actually run 40% speed heat in most of my runs, not because it is easy, but because it forces me to get better
analog lodge
I am doing the timed heat right now to learn to speedrun
dusky drum
nice
analog lodge
I hope to one day consistantly be able to sub-20
dusky drum
i feel that will cause too much stress for me so right now im doing 400% damage traps and higher costs top get me used to smaller things being dumb
once i lost all 3 dd's due to a janky hit box on elysium arrow traps
but after those 2 im gonna go for faster enemies or something
i look at it as get better at smaller things then the big things
analog lodge
I once lost DD to stepping in the lava after killing the hydra boss, it felt really bad.
untold widget
i've lost more HP than i care to admit to stepping in lava after the charon shop, cause the foreground decoration hides the lava between the plaza and the barge to the next area haha
tidal thorn
Traps in general prob damage me more than creeps.
Light Feet ftw.
Or whatever the trap reduction is.
turbid needle
Sure Footing.
tidal thorn
If you have near max mirror, what does Budget Cuts even do?
turbid needle
Drops you to 2500 for 1 Heat.
analog lodge
Budget cuts is next to the one that gives enemies a shield and the forced boon clease for the most build disruptive heat source
analog lodge
Even 32 heat speedrunners avoid it
turbid needle
Yeah, it's not good.
chrome geyser
@analog lodge i started doing 40% speed too to get better. I used to have a 90% winrate. Now it's more like 20%. Getting better though.
Why do you think giving enemies a shield is disruptive? Does not really stop builds in my opinion. It's my cheap bonus heat modifier.
turbid needle
You almost always need all ten rerolls for 32 Heat.
Some weapons the shields actually really slow down DPS.
chrome geyser
@turbid needle try going zeus on the shield. Both the zeus and chaos aspect works amazing with his flourish boon. My dps jumped up tremendously once I figured that out.
analog lodge
Hestia is the main weapon for speedruns - it would need 2 extra hits to kill an enemy and it is usually played in such a way to one shot enemies
turbid needle
I did say "some weapons".
And Aspect of Poseidon is the most popular weapon for speedruns.
All these sub-7 minute times we've had recently are True Shot builds.
chrome geyser
Oh i just got what you meant. Yeah; you need a high speed low attack kinda stuff to break the shield first.
analog lodge
For something like Eris it is free heat, for Hestia it is hell
chrome geyser
i get it. Yeah; i like eris better than hestia, i play with mk and reloading is not fun with my keymap.
So haven't had that problem.
then again im stuck on heat 10 and not doing speedruns
so probably i have room to improve with my weapon selection.
analog lodge
You using controller? remap reload to LB and codex to right stick
chrome geyser
I'm using mk. I do have a controller but;
I can only play on my workstation at work after hours, my laptop does not handle hades on proton well (framerate gets abysmal)
and i don't want to bring my controller to work; even on after hours.
chrome geyser
Linux gaming is not that fun unless games are native š¢
dusky drum
fps is still bad tho
chrome geyser
I'm hoping SGG does port the game to linux to run native after it comes out of EA; but I'm not hopeful since they are using a new engine that is not easily ported to linux like the prev 3 games.
sacred folio
Wait, new engine? I thought it's still MonoGame with probably some in-house modifications
naive tusk
Iām about to do a Chiron run but I want to take a Special suggested by others to make it more fun š
Which one do you think I should get this run? please not Aresā
analog lodge
Still, it is probably a good idea for you to make Codex, pause, check boons and summon trinket your hardest keys to press, and put reload at a high priority button
sacred folio
Just don't take Zeus' special. It triggers once per keypress IIRC
scarlet kindle
does sea storm trigger per hit
naive tusk
That sucks 
scarlet kindle
assuming you have poseidon special ofc
naive tusk
Thatād be op
analog lodge
Demeter frost stack cheese?
analog lodge
it can also explode
naive tusk
Yes!
sacred folio
That I don't know. I generally really don't like Poseidon.
naive tusk
Thatās what I like to get for Chiron, so much fun
scarlet kindle
could go for aphrodite dionysus duo with aphrodite attack and dionysus special
naive tusk
Should I go for Poseidon Special then aim for Sea Storm to check if it works?
Or Aphrodite Dionysus too š
analog lodge
Cold fusion
scarlet kindle
sure but poseidon special without sea storm seems awful on chiron
naive tusk
Thatās true. The knockback wonāt do much
I will take the risk and see how it goes. Thanks and wish me luck 
chrome geyser
@sacred folio so from what I understand (here; https://fna-xna.github.io/) the libraries involved previously were xna; for which a dev made open source versions. All three games were ported to linux by this dev; and not by SGG themselves. Apparently xna is dead and unused; and hades is using something else. So it remains to be seen if it will be ported. I don't think there is in house support for linux in SGG.
Chiron special works well with aphrodite if you get her legendary; or demeter (immediate ~10 stacks of snow slows down enemies a lot). They are also good damage boosts. Poseidon is fun; but for bosses aphrodite is killer. So much damage; easy privilige. Just chug another status on main attack, and put in a cast in the enemy. And you are good.
sacred folio
Thanks. Looks like I don't understand much about game engine and porting
chrome geyser
I have like 3 runs I had aphrodite on chiron special. So much damage. I managed to not get her legendary everytime but the extra damage is dope. There are also boons that make weak inflict more damage which buffs up the damage.
With chiron aspect; support fire of artemis and zeus' flourish boon does not work. Everything else does work though I think. Though yesterday I noticed something. Demeter does not register all the stacks of slow. I had the +4 arrows; so i was hitting enemies for 11 cold inducing arrows with the 10 stacks explode boon. I was not getting one explosion per volley; but was getting an explosion per two volleys. It also removed the stacking slow that allowed me to keep things at a distance. The damage is not that impressive too. I don't really like the demeter stacks blast that much anymore on chiron.
naive tusk
Tartarus is done. Got Poseidon Special + Rupture + 250% wall slam damage
Meg went down pretty quickly lol
chrome geyser
Did you manage to wall slam meg?
I usually take poseidon on dash; his dash can replace main weapon sometimes.
naive tusk
Nope but she got ruptured every time š
abstract pilot
rupture sounds pretty funny for when she goes zooming around
chrome geyser
Oh right. Yeah rupture is good.
Reason why poseidon is not completely useless against bosses.
naive tusk
Oh my, you should post that on feedback @chrome geyser
chrome geyser
Good idea.
naive tusk
Also, thank you very much for all those tips š®
abstract pilot
artemis is up there for chiron special boons
sacred folio
I guess the bow's special could be seen like a shotgun. It should work well with most bonuses?
Except for Ares' Doom, of course
chrome geyser
No problem I love theory crafting and trying new builds.
Ares doom stacking is pretty much a flat dps boost of 5 to each arrow. Which is like +30%. But the initial one gives around 120 damage; depending on how many arrows you have that is ~ 17 damage per arrow; meaning more than 100% damage up.
Not horrible; but obviously not that good.
If you get merciful end and can deflect dash into the enemy while a volley is hitting; you could possibly activate an early application of doom and allow the last few arrows to put on another doom. But that requires so much fine timing.
If you are using the spread fire; (especcially with piercing upgrade) bow special can apply doom to a lot of enemies; which can be incredibly high dps btw for rooms with multiple enemies.
sacred folio
That merciful end strategy sounds like, impossible to pull off
abstract pilot
it is kinda like a low dps version of dio, but has better aoe in the manner you described
chrome geyser
I meant doom on special on non-chiron bow. Hera is insanely powerful too.
abstract pilot
and you should be okay on bosses
sacred folio
Also there's a 5 stack limit of Doom IIRC
chrome geyser
Doom is good on attacks you use around once every 2 seconds and hit a lot of enemies. Which is kinda the volley on non-chiron builds.
Coincidentally; doom is pretty good on the main attack on chiron I think. Especcially with aphrodite duo to keep the doom on (for privilige) and/or with the arrows bouncing hammer.
I mean, the doom stacking is so poor. They should just remove that boon.
Also piercing should be able to be combined with chiron. Chiron is fun but also pretty weak.
sacred folio
Yeah. I kinda hope the god of war could be reworked to live up to his job
naive tusk
What about Athena attack + Ares Special so you activate doom on attacks?
chrome geyser
Ares is not that bad as people make him out to be. He needs so much investment though.
naive tusk
Attack > Special > repeat
chrome geyser
@naive tusk i had that on chaos shield. Improved my dps a lot.
But I still prefer zeus on special for chaos shield. Jolted is more consistent to keep on enemies than alternating attack and special perfectly.
Works really well with that boon that boost doom damage; but also the delay.
naive tusk
Btw the knockback of Poseidon special on Chiron is really poor
It only knocks them back a few steps away
chrome geyser
Ares can be insanely high dps. You just gotta go either doom or rift. Rifts don't need the cast neccessarily. I got all the rift boons once; and my only rift was dash. Was a tad bit slow against bosses, but very powerful blade rifts all around the enemy. Is fun.
tidal thorn
GREEN VASES ARE TRAPS
chrome geyser
Ares does not provide any utility; that is the problem.
tidal thorn
AND I AM MAD
chrome geyser
@tidal thorn yes. That's why sure footing from athena is amazing for the last biome.
chrome geyser
if you are lacking extra dashes, and/or good dashes like poseidon or athena to clear them.
chrome geyser
Those (and not being able to tell elysium arrows from particle effects) is the reason i never turn on the trap heat. Not worth it for that much damage.
keen flint
ares best boi
chrome geyser
Also counts lava as trap damage btw.
tidal thorn
Yeah, knew that already. Def lost a DD to lava once. lol
I screwed up too and had less DDs than normal because I was looking at budget cuts. STILL got to final boss with one DD.
AAAAAA I just need a break after that. Blah.
keen flint
is it just me or i feel like ares is good on anything in this game if u got the right build
naive tusk
If you get THE boons then yeah
sacred folio
Any god is good on anything if I can get the right build.
tidal thorn
Blades are good imo but Doom is situational.
keen flint
i mean , me personally dont like poisedon
i always choose to get the random resources from his boon if i got one
tidal thorn
Posi has a few great things but the knockback really messes with a few weapons.
keen flint
i mean
chrome geyser
@naive tusk really? I like chain shot on chiron. It marks the enemy behind so your volley hits the enemies in the front first anyway.
keen flint
even if u commited on poise and get the extra damage for bosses
its only 10-15%
its absolutely like nothing
and his duo is basically bad
as far as i know
unless u get his duo early game
tidal thorn
Yeah but Razor Shoals can give you a debuff if needed, I like his Call and Dash, and even his attack is alright on stuff like the bow and shield.
naive tusk
Well, you have a point but I personally prefer my target to stay on the one Iām currently focusing on (especially on faster enemies)
sacred folio
Sea Storm is a pretty good duo. Might not be so OP like Hunting Blades. But still pretty good
chrome geyser
Doom is really good on some things. Like on attack on chiron; it's great damage (like ~150-200%) and applies privilige. Same on rail special if you don't have the non-hammer upgraded version.
naive tusk
I got really bad hammer upgrades, didnāt get the +4 arrow special
chrome geyser
@keen flint I got dio poseidon duo boon really early once.
Ended up with 2 legendaries and 5 duo boons. Was an amazing run.
tidal thorn
Some of his duos are REALLY good too. Blizzard Shot is so much fun.
naive tusk
Epic run you mean š
tidal thorn
Exclusive Access is pretty great near any points of the game.
chrome geyser
I don't get blizzard shot and what it does.
sacred folio
If we're talking about "a god is considered good if the right build happens", I think all the gods could match this standard.
keen flint
and basically its super hard to get duo at early game
chrome geyser
It's godly if you are running the darkness heat.
tidal thorn
Blizzard Shot shoots a slower Posi cast that also shoots tornados that damage.
naive tusk
Itās a cast that travels slowly and shoots ice shards randomly
chrome geyser
I haven't seen it do much damage. Maybe i'm really bad at targetting it I dunno.
tidal thorn
I got it with Hera so I was mowing stuff down.
naive tusk
The ice shards travel randomly so itās more of a luck thing
With hera bow, idk how it would work
chrome geyser
My favourite cast is the artemis demeter duo boon.
tidal thorn
So you can release it early.
turbid needle
I could go back to old Blizzard Shot. Possibly make it so it does half damage on contact?
But still seeks.
The first time I got Crystal Clarity I paused the game and laughed for two minutes straight.
naive tusk
Why?
tidal thorn
What was old Blizzard Shot?
turbid needle
Blizzard Shot but heat-seeking like normal Casts.
chrome geyser
The hera bow releases it when the missile expires. Either on enemy or end of range.
turbid needle
Only it's very slow so it stays on the screen for a very long time.
chrome geyser
Yeah I feel like it moves too fast to do enough damage.
The two times i rocked poseidon cast and got the blizzard shot was the times where my cast damage was not good compared to my attacks; so i may have had highway blindness.
keen flint
naive tusk
Iām seriously going to consider Poseidon + Zeus runs with Chiron lmao
Got Poseidonās legendary. Wonder if it will trigger Sea Storm twice
jaunty pewter
iāve been trying to get a victory w sword and spear but god!! both of them are so annoying!!!
jaunty pewter
like shield, bow, rail all work great for me but i literally have yet to beat hades with sword or spear
oh interesting
i was using the full for the extra crit from hammer
sacred folio
the 3rd strike of sword combo is surprisingly slow because reasons.
jaunty pewter
alright
naive tusk
I suggest plenty of dash cancels with the sword
jaunty pewter
i was so pissed on my last sword run because i literally ended up with five death defiances because of chaos and yet lost all five to the heros
naive tusk
Also, I canāt really say if Sea Storm triggers twice since Iām seeing 7 lightning bolts striking in less than a second. I will have to test it on another thing that knockbacks only once
naive tusk
Cancel that. I just saw that when the full volley hits, after a second, Poseidonās legendary activates then Sea Storm triggers
mossy warren
is it me or is the bow just frustrating to use?
keen flint
its good if ur big fan of hit and run
hardy crow
Hit and run is not the way I'd describe it, you're basically constantly attacking because of your super high range making it safe to do so tbh
keen flint
i mean if u kinda hit in run in boss fight
sacred folio
It's okay if you keep doing dash-strike + power shot
hardy crow
Kiting maybe, but hit and run is more like Aspect of Achilles, Raging Rush -> Dash attack back, cast, repeat
keen flint
idk , not a big fan of the spear so
hardy crow
Yeah dash strike power shots literally 24/7 are the move
hardy crow
Because I don't get to one-shot a Hades phase with one attack on those
keen flint
you can one shot with a bow , i didnt know that
or i always get bad run with the bow ig
hardy crow
It depends on your aspect
Chiron bow can't really do that but some builds with base aspect and a lot of builds with Hera can
To one-shot things with base aspect you need to be confident in playing melee range bow though, since the hammer upgrades that enable it kind of require you to be close
keen flint
im not good at dodging so im just gonna play around my girl athena ig
hardy crow
But yeah here was my last one-shot Hera build, it actually immediately did over 1/2 of Hades hp so it would trigger phase shift
torn eagle
I'm not good with bow either, love me the shield, sword and spear due to dash attacks. I'll keep in mind the hera bow though, I've started appreciating how powerful cast can be recently.
hardy crow
Yeah, your best bet with Hera bow is usually either Trippy Shot or True Shot, both can be really really high damage
I prefer True Shot personally, but I know a lot of people run Trippy builds
You can also try and go hunting blades but I feel like other weapons work better with that
Either pos sword or achilles spear for the % damage increase
turbid needle
I prefer Eris to Achilles.
hardy crow
Raging Rush damage is kinda nuts though
Eris aspect works but idk I feel like I usually just go for a more attack and special oriented build with eris, low tolerance eris aspect kind of insane
naive tusk
@chrome geyser Just finished my run. I couldnāt take a pic of all the boons I had but:
- Chiron Aspect
- Poseidon Special
- Sea Storm
- Rupture
- Jolted
Among other boons, Hades was melting š
turbid needle
That's not a bad combo.
hollow sorrel
The shield has amazing defense, but it sometimes can be a bit slow at clearing things. The bow can sometimes get easier/better damage, if you are good and dash-attacking and lining up shots to hit multiple things, or shotgunning the special attacks in melee range
It is much easier to use a shield though.
naive tusk
The exposed + weak will do it for you š
prime knoll
I think that's the dilemma. Wants the Duos; compelled to pick Blinding Flash.
Although I personally consider Spent Spirit a blank option.
Deadly Reversal is solid, though.
tidal thorn
Yeah, Spirit was out, was picking between crit and exposed. Went with exposed, have a few tunnels are rolls left.
dim rapids
how do people get their boons to lv10 with poms? highest i've gotten was like 6 or 7 lol
turbid needle
Reroll away from boons so you keep stacking up a single boon and Poms always have it as an option.
dim rapids
that's kinda counterproductive to building up zag though
like you can have a level 10 boon but i'm pretty sure a single privileged status already gives more damage
turbid needle
I know the how, not the why.
dense star
Sometimes you have priv status online early and might as well get more danage via poms I guess
turbid needle
Get Curse of Agony/Pain, Divine Dash, Impending Doom, Blinding Flash, Merciful End. Five boons total, will probably get Doom or ID on every Pom.
Or they could sell boons.
dim rapids
assuming you play normally
you need to get quite a lot of poms
and styx needs to roll 3 poms with 2 level 2 poms
(though i have to admit i've seen a crap ton of 3 pom styx shops)
turbid needle
You can also use Erebus gates. Those give double poms
dim rapids
true
but you still need to roll it on that specific boon, which i find the hardest
then again, i'm kinda guilty for skipping quite a few pom rooms
usually i prioritise hearts
scarlet kindle
lv 10 pressure points is nice
turbid needle
Ooh, yeah.
torn eagle
I find it funny because I didn't intend to do it, it just happened due to the run. Doing a Hades Chaos aspect run, and curse of the pain naturally got to Lv 10
turbid needle
Gonna learn playing with maxed out budget cuts. Sounds like a nice hallenge
challenge
dim rapids
for budget cuts you either don't touch it or max it
silver rover
for budget cuts you either don't touch it or max it
@dim rapids i tried out level 1 budget cut once, just to clear the harsh conditions prophecy, got my 10 titan blood, not touching it again haha
dim rapids
same
turbid needle
I went for: chtonic vitality max, Death defiance 1x, Boiling blood 50% and privliged status 50%
This is for non cast build tho. Keep that in mind
Special based builds
dim rapids
pretty sure you can run that with merciful end and do decently
as long as you get at least ares attack/athena dash earl
*early
turbid needle
Gonna check out how it goes
silver rover
I went for: chtonic vitality max, Death defiance 1x, Boiling blood 50% and privliged status 50%
@turbid needle this was mine https://i.imgur.com/ntdbt3b.jpg
dim rapids
dash/cthonic vitality/health/privileged/burning blood are probably the more important ones
backstab is good as well
turbid needle
Yeah but I tried to go for being as reliable as possible
tidal thorn
YES got Exit Wounds with Posi for the first time!
turbid needle
gz! š
dusky hull
Oh god, I didn't know he had this whiplash attack until you typed that out, Gen. I thought it was me failing to dash through the wave accurately.
Thanks, will know that now!
dim rapids
you can see it in old final boss fights
it's there
but for some reason it's invisible... idk when?
i only started playing since demeter update so
i always kept getting hit by some invisible attack so i went to check previous iterations
and turns out it's just that but invisible
turbid needle
WAIT WHAT?
What happened Ivnie?
The green circle you are talking about?
You can't stand into it at all?
There's an invisible lingering hitbox.
Yeah I noticed, I always get hit by it, I thought my timing was bad
dim rapids
it was a ||fury whip attack|| in previous iterations of the fight
but it somehow... became invisible?
dusky hull
tidal thorn
First good Posi run.
https://i.imgur.com/4mV59CI.jpg
turbid needle
gz brassthief š
tidal thorn
Pretty much finished with the dream setup but didnt have it until Styx.
dim rapids
yep, that
worthy dust
Hmm. guess previews are borked atm
Chaos Shield at 6 heat. Not impressive but its +1 my previous heat total
balmy axle
how many hours did you guuys need to "kill" hades for the first time?
dusky hull
Ugh, I killed him on my 13th run or so.
Then I've removed the save file, and killed him at the 4th run on a clear save, now I think I can kill him on the 2nd or so, so I think it depends on your skill.
balmy axle
ok nice
dusky hull
It's just about your understanding of the game, some stuff like death defiance and other mirror bonuses might help, but not that much.
tidal thorn
About 35 hours before I finished my first run.
Actually more like 30 because I restarted my save once early.
dusky hull
Oh, by the way, on my 2nd run on the new save I've reached him without many troubles, so you can count from that.
turbid needle
First DD is your best friend
once you become good enough you realise you don't really use it more than once a run
at most
I found blackout, but have no dio poison, should I let it slip? I can get nectar lol feels so bad
oh wait, I have epic dio call,
hmmm...
and festive fog ofcourse, sounds worth it over some life... but all life upgrades I get are worth more life too!
chrome geyser
@keen flint that is the dream combo that many people are sleeping on.
@naive tusk i'm going to try this. Someone on reddit also posted the same run but with a screenshot i think.
@tidal thorn brilliant reposte is the thing. Such an easy status AND unlocks the legendary.
@balmy axle it took me about 27 runs; total 10-15 hrs I think? (Lot of those runs ended early) Took me like 23 runs to be able to get to styx.
@turbid needle depending on heat and your loadout; i tend to consistently lose 1 DD to the 2. and 3. bosses š
you should not be able to get blackout with no poison? Did you purge a poison boon?
tidal thorn
I know my first W took me a while because I messed with EVERYTHING.
I must have had almost all the God boons by the time I finished my first run.
chrome geyser
Oh yeah. I was going more fore fates list and trying to get every hammer/boon/duo and my trinkets levelled up.
keen flint
@chrome geyser which one are you talking about ?
that was what i call braindead build tbf
naive tusk
I have a screenshot of the run but the boons I mentioned arenāt highlighted š
chrome geyser
The ares+athena doom build.
naive tusk
If you still want to see it
keen flint
cuz you dont need to dodge anything , hold left click and spam dash
chrome geyser
I had that with the shield and SO MUCH DAMAGE
keen flint
i mean u dont need ares + athena u can get the ares apho duo aswell
chrome geyser
yup. Pretty brain dead build.
turbid needle
@chrome geyser I had dio Call, that counts too appearantly
chrome geyser
Oh you had it; you were not offered it.
keen flint
and it works the best on the sword cuz of the as with 2 hammers
chrome geyser
Yeah I have the requirements table memorized by now š
I just wish the shockwave of the sword would apply boon effects; or at least be damage boosted by the boons.
keen flint
i mean because you have such a high attack speed
that +25 damages is kinda good ngl
because it plus 25 plus your normal sword damages
turbid needle
Yo guys LOL blackout + Dio call is a monster
chrome geyser
It does become very good. I just want to be able to chain lightning splitters in the middle of lava š¢
keen flint
idk , im not really a big fan of zeus ngl
turbid needle
atm I am running special Zeus + Dio call for bosses
keen flint
unless u get the zeus athena duo which makes ur revenge can proc without taking damages
chrome geyser
yeah it looks good. I don't know why i never went for it before.
No, that duo is ares and zeus.
keen flint
im not sure
chrome geyser
Zeus athena is the zippity phalanx
chrome geyser
I only got that duo once and that was when i was trying to complete fates list.
keen flint
or u can go full call build with zeus boon
chrome geyser
Every time i have a doom + zeus i get excited to get that duo and force aphrodite and athena for it but never had it ever again.
Lately i find duo's and legendaries are rarer than they used to be.
chrome geyser
i love aphrodite for attack & special.
keen flint
u can go aoe apho build that makes u charm ur enemies 4you
and stun lock hades into next christmas
not sure if they fixed it or not
chrome geyser
I'm trying to get that on chiron; and i have been consistently failing for the last week.
keen flint
honestly , i dont like chiron
but the fact that u can aimlock ur special
its really cool ig
chrome geyser
im the same way. I get often frustrated with it but it's so fun at the same time.
turbid needle
hihi :>
I did
I really dislike the Rail gun š
But I am gonna try to max the reload aspect
hybrid frost
Fair enough, but....
hybrid frost
Get shooten things dude!
But seriously, I hope you find a style with it you can enjoy.
turbid needle
Do you play with keyboard or pad?
hybrid frost
Yeah, the auto-target can really mess you up with the rail.
I've learned to compensate, but that doesn't mean it's always fun...
What?
What is it @prime knoll!?!
prime knoll
I use gamepad as well and am in the middle of a series of 32 heat attempts where Guan Yu's Special is just soooo hard to use well on pad. You have to aim it with your walk direction then immediately dash, and it frequently makes me dash toward my foe rather than away.
lol
It's not the worst if I have extra Hermes dashes, but even then it's really just not ideal.
Guan Yu's Special in particular feels like it has almost no auto-targeting at all.
prime knoll
Aye. I have the first level of it
I don't mind that as much as some of the others I had to take, like Underworld Customs
There are several pacts that simply detract from the fun (for me) rather than add an interesting challenge.
hybrid frost
Underworlds Customs is bad, but at least I don't have to relearn all my timings.
turbid needle
make friends
prime knoll
Friendships
keen flint
so you need to be maxing on the reputation with npc ?
turbid needle
I know it's uncomfortable for many gamers but that's what makes it a challenge š
keen flint
i mean i do talk to everyone whenvere i have chances so
hybrid frost
Yes and certain key events must trigger after maxing them.
Give them Nectar and give them Ambrosia.
turbid needle
Yeah I do that
hybrid frost
Sometimes it's something you have to do extra as well
turbid needle
Keep giving nectar when you get the chance
tidal thorn
I did too, eventually youll have a bunch at a time.
hybrid frost
Well nectars ARE replaceable...
hybrid frost
Wait...
tidal thorn
Must. Get. Aspects.
turbid needle
If I finish this run I get 10 titan blood prophecy x)
tidal thorn
What weapon do you need?
keen flint
so u need to keep talking to npc and then you need to give them ambrosa aswell right ?
when they are maxed out on hearts ?
tidal thorn
Eventually youll unlock giving Ambrosia. You can check your codex for for far along you are.
turbid needle
But that's just a tip
hybrid frost
Gift them until their hearts are maxed.
If they show a Heart with a Keyhole symbol, that means they are now waiting for a special event to trigger.
keen flint
gotta start taking nectar from now on
i always skipped it b4 because i tho that its useless after u get the relics
wise ibex
got my 1st clear! :D
keen flint
@wise ibex gj mdude
hybrid frost
@wise ibex So.....how'd you die? 
wise ibex
the happiest death yet
keen flint
''Is there no escape?''
hybrid frost
"Having defeated his Lord Father in single combat, Zagreus experiences a flood of joy so powerful that it's more than his heart can take and then, well...."
wise ibex
im surprised that i even got it on this run cus the start was rather hopeless but then towards end of asphodel stuff started rolling
turbid needle
Sometimes you got to close a door to open a window.
waxen furnace
yeah the nectar seems to be the best of the diamond upgrades of that tier?
it's the only one I bought, after which I switched to saving for bouldie
hybrid frost
That's why it doesn't show up as often as the others.
turbid needle
Yeah It's probably the best
hybrid frost
It grants you a free pom.
And if you have a certain Dio boon, you get free HP out of it too.
turbid needle
And with a certain duo boon, poms give +2 š
waxen furnace
true but the duo probably doesn't affect nectar buff as it isn't an actual pom
hybrid frost
š
hybrid frost
Oh, I about forgot why I came to this channel :
I've finished collecting all available Heat rewards!
https://ibb.co/2YhFRRd
š
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turbid needle
God damn a pro! : )
hybrid frost
Thanks!
I suck at souls-like and other rogue-likes, but this game gels with me.
SGG knows how to make a game.
naive tusk
Now to wait 3 weeks to get the bounties from the new weapon
naive tusk
Iām halfway there, at heat 10 with each weapon but I will make it before new patch
Be sure to save some titan blood + keys to unlock the stuff!
hybrid frost
You must be logging in some time then.
I've been working on this since middle of last year.
Oh, I've got over a hundred Blood. No worries there
naive tusk
Hahaha yeah. I bought the game on the last week of January and have been playing 3-4 runs daily. It has had me hooked since then (even stealing my Civilization playtime)
hybrid frost
I....forgot about the keys. I think I have 12 or so that I haven't traded away.
keen flint
cant wait until next patch
hybrid frost
Yeah, it's so much fun AND has a great story AND super music.
naive tusk
The railgun costs 8 keys to unlock iirc so new weapon might be a bit higher than that
keen flint
maybe we can see persephone idk as npc or idk
turbid needle
First time upgarded 3rd boss battle
Lost all my 3 DD's it went so good till then lol
naive tusk
They mentioned thereās a character that has yet to be unveiled in patch notes (but we know who it is)
hybrid frost
I haven't heard anything regarding the new NPC.
naive tusk
Oh yes! Imagine if that new npc isnāt Persephone (big jawdrop)
keen flint
wait
hybrid frost
Hmm, would she count as a special in-run NPC?
naive tusk
She should 
hybrid frost
I'm hoping last NPC will be someone that shows up in Styx.
naive tusk
And hopefully the new companion will be hers
hollow sorrel
I thought the next in-run NPC would be Perseus, which would somehow be involved in Dusa's storyline
keen flint
she tried to get out of the underworld but lost her way and thought that zag is one of hades's crew trying to stop her from escaping ?
naive tusk
I really donāt know who the new npc might be. Iām just hoping š
Iād say, mother knows best
Besides, Zagreus is very talkative. He will make sure she knows heās just looking for her
keen flint
like idk maybe u get a talk with ??? in the name
and u will discover that its persephone after defeating her
turbid needle
I got children of morta, it's basically a similar game to Hades but it played so clunky at the start. Also I finished it in about 10 IGN hours and the progression compared to Hades is pretty bad. You realise what a gameplay gem Hades is when you play something else š
exotic halo
John Wick's aspect... Only if something bad happens to Cerberus (please no).
turbid needle
damn Damage reduction is such a good stat
And another complete!
Damn maxing out Aspect of Hestia is expensive x.x
Earned 13 blood, have 1 left
hollow sorrel
There are a lot of games, like children of morta, where I thought it looked interesting, but not interesting enough to play it, so I'd watch a few episodes of a streamer playing it, and consider that good enough
turbid needle
Children of morta was fun, nice artstyle, short little story
But it aint hades š
exotic halo
Can someone tell me how am I supposed to use Eternal Spear? I don't get it. I guess it's a learning curve, but still... I have cleared a couple of runs with 9-heat Stygian Blade, and several levels of Heat (in an earlier update, before contract rework) with Shield of Chaos. But I've made 5 attempts already with Spear and the best I got was to the final boss; two times I died in Elysium.
It seems like in my runs Spear's damage output is negligible compared to Shield and Blade, and I don't understand why.
hardy crow
Which aspect are you using first off?
exotic halo
I'm trying to grind Blood for each weapon with their own runs, so none at the moment.
turbid needle
Also, Guan Yu is something in tiself
hardy crow
Spear is lower damage than sword, that's for sure, because you get a lot of safety from it's range, but you might just be building wrong
Spear is lower damage than sword, that's for sure, because you get a lot of safety from it's range, but you might just be building wrong
You basically just want to be spamming dash attacks and stunlocking enemies from a safe range
You can also kite back with a mixture of dash attacks and specials to safely deal aoe damage
hollow sorrel
Spear seems like you either want to level up the attack or the special, but trying to do both sort of doesn't work as well
hardy crow
Eh I mean
You can definitely work with both
Spear special has certain synergies that can make it useful even without pom investment
tidal thorn
I like the special on the default spear, there are a lot of neat hammers for it.
hardy crow
And some hammers are good even if you're just spamming attacks
tidal thorn
Serrated Edge is Godlike tho.
keen flint
@exotic halo lmao , it actually made my day
tidal thorn
I LOVE that upgrade.
keen flint
i see ur a man of culture
hardy crow
Something like doom spec can be great with the hammer that makes it bounce
Just occasionally apply doom to an entire room
exotic halo
Hmm... So I probably should treat it a little bit more like not-so-close range weapon, I guess. Thanks for nice advice everyone, I will try to keep it in mind. Maybe I just got bad habits from using other weapons. š
@exotic halo lmao , it actually made my day
@keen flint Is it that weird to progress each weapon individually? Seemed logical to me when I started doing that, though I thought I should get to know "pristine" weapons before trying to experiment with Aspects.
quaint gazelle
i just kinda got upgrades for whatever weapon i was using at the time
considering the game encourages you to switch up your weapon choices often with the darkness bonus
turbid needle
I really ignore the darkness bonus
quaint gazelle
meh i think its a good indicator of what weapons i havent used in a little while
exotic halo
After a couple of runs I gave up on darkness bonuses. It was sometimes like "Okay, let's try shield, then something else". Then I got a stupid death by poison, and said 'No, I won't get calm until I finish the run with this weapon".
quaint gazelle
lol i used to not like the shield, then i loved it, and now im just kinda indiffernet
i mean its good its just not the most fun weapon
exotic halo
Eventually it turned out into "play the weapon that feels more comfortable at the moment". I really liked Blade, but am temporarily bored of it, will return to it later.
quaint gazelle
the bow is my favourite right now
got a super broken run with the hera aspect
although to be fair 90% of the runs with the hera aspect are broken
exotic halo
I definitely need to try bow again. Like you said about shield, I used to not like the bow, but then I kinda started to dig it. But somehow got sidetracked to other weapons.
Probably that's a good thing. Getting bored of 1 weapon, not getting bored of the game because there are several other options. Some times passes, and the 1st weapon is no longer boring again.
turbid needle
š¦ had a great 16heat run but now I gotta beat the boss without DD 150 hp
green pots got me god...
green pots got me god...
green pots got me god...
š¦ had a great 16heat run but now I gotta beat the boss without DD 150 hp
turbid needle
Guan Yu.
waxen furnace
You didn't use the 100 reaction for a 100th death message?
I'm embarrassed for you.
quaint gazelle
yeah guan yu is damn broken
just get boons and weapon upgrades for your spin attack and you're set
jaunty pewter
thanks for the tips but even without guan yu i managed a not half bad run!
lucky run 101 pulled me through to my first victory with spear
now all that's left is the sword
any tips (besides not using the thrust, i just can't get dash cancelling down)
prime knoll
@bright mulch What do you mean in feedback?
Rarity is the strip in the top right, and the level is listed- is there another aspect of boons I'm not thinking of?
bright mulch
Tier
You know how you need like at least a Tier 1 and a Tier 2 before getting a LEgendary?
As far as I know none of that info is in game
prime knoll
š¤ That's fair. I suppose I'd just rather they clean up that system so that tier is intuitive- it's mostly-ish, but not quite.
'cause tier 1 is mostly skill mods- attack/special/cast/dash/call- and tier 2 is additions to the effects those cause
but there are several odd exceptions
like the neutral boons such as Battle Rage
bright mulch
I mean I'm going through the list right now and yeah while the four "basic" ones (attack special cast dash) make sense and are consistent, the utility boons after that seem pretty haphazard in what is 2 or 1
Just as an example, Support Fire, Clean Kill, and Exit Wounds all fit the decsription of adding on to the effects caused by T1 but they are 1,2,1 respectively
prime knoll
It seems like T1 by default, if it requires the effect or mechanic from another boon, it's T2
So for instance the examples you listed all synergize with others, but work entirely on their own
er, no, Clean Kill requires Crit
bright mulch
Clean Kill is 2, (Ok requires crit chance) however Hunter's Mark is 1 and also requires crit
The latter makes sense, since technically right now you can acquire crit outside arty, but then why isn't Clean Kill 1?
prime knoll
Oh, that's a problem. That one shouldn't be T1 if it truly is (and isn't an error on the wiki)
mild crag
Isn't hunter's Mark tier 2?
bright mulch
Wiki says T1, not sure if it's up to date or not
mild crag
Tier essentially is only prerequisites
If it has a prerequisite it's tier 2
If it has a tier 2 prerequisite it's tier 3
prime knoll
Tier 3 seems to just be duos and legendaries. Most of the duos I see only require T1s
mild crag
Yeah there's no scaling boons at tier 3
bright mulch
Snow Burst is also listed as T2, and inflicts chill but does not require it
prime knoll
And even the legendaries might not have reqs. Artemis just adds 3 Cast, which could be on any build.
mild crag
Artemis legendary has a tier 2 prerequisite
Also I'm not sure why duos requiring tier 1 boons are listed as tier 3
prime knoll
The Fully Loaded reqs are weird
mild crag
I guess it's arbitrary since tier 3 isn't a concept in game
Or wait maybe it is
I'll have to check it again
waxen furnace
I didn't think I'd value the ares-aphrodite duo as much as I do now. been quite nice on a Guan Yu run, particularly vs bosses
prime knoll
I've been wanting to get Ares/Aphro and Ares/Athena duos in the same run
bright mulch
Stop wanting it, and then you will get it š
prime knoll
I'm not sure if it'd feel redundant or good
mild crag
That sounds like an awful combination lol
Curse of Longing is already pretty average
If you have Merciful End it's effectively useless
waxen furnace
quick + large spin, demeter attack, aphro special, athena dash + call + legendary has been a blast in a guan yu run
prime knoll
Yeah, putting it in words makes me just want to go with Athena/Ares
mild crag
Better idea
prime knoll
@waxen furnace I'm married to putting Athena on attack for the deflecting tornado of lifegiving
waxen furnace
I've really wanted to try that too
prime knoll
Athena attack, and basically all of the rest of what you said. That was my 19 heat run yesterday. Now I'm trying basically the same at 32
Made it to the end of Asphodel earlier.
waxen furnace
this has been insane. 80 max health and didn't even use a DD on last boss
bright mulch
noice
bright mulch
congrats
hybrid galleon
my friend told me that if I cant beat hades before him he will call me suck
sucks on them
bright mulch
hit with that uno reverse baby
hybrid galleon
to be fair i played more often than him
and it took me 17 runs to reach hades for him while he took 13
bright mulch
cool
waxen furnace
ares/aphro duo in the fourth room in a chaos shield run. this is good. yessss
picked extreme measures for hydra for the first time. I'm afraid
hybrid galleon
Tbh i didnt even cared about my build
i just go with the flow
tbh the one that is actually helping in hades fight is the demeter dio nuke
waxen furnace
oh my lord. 120% special bonus from chaos. still haven't even hit the furies. this is going to be f u n
hybrid galleon
@bright mulch time to athena no u them
dense locust
Guan yu is broken for everything except hades for me. Having that reduced hp hurts against him
bright mulch
lol
waxen furnace
@dense locust going athena for dash/call has saved my ass hard in the hades fight
oh dear god. extreme measures hydra is a pain. if I wasn't running shield that would have hurrrrt
prime knoll
@pallid dagger I'd like more of a context for why they're invulnerable.
turbid needle
Weird, I can't downvote that post.
Bosses have the same health gates (barring EM Theseus) every time, and Keepsakes can be used at any point in a fight, including right at the beginning when they wouldn't be near a gate.
Furies have invulnerability in quarter intervals, Hydra in thirds, Theseus at 1/2 or 1/3, Asterius at 1/2, and Hades in thirds and at 1/2.
naive tusk
@prime knoll he meant that big transparent barrier akin to Athenaās Legendary
timber temple
Man I love this GAME!!!
Just beat Hades with aspect of Hera and oh boy is it ridiculous
How does one share images in here?
turbid needle
You need an image link.
prime knoll
@naive tusk I know. This is true in basically any game that does it- "You can damage me." "Now you can't damage me because reasons. Fight some adds." "Okay now you can damage me again."
naive tusk
You copy a link and paste it here
timber temple
Here's my run:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676649852905455667/679533775373336584/unknown.png
prime knoll
I like when there's more context than "because reasons." It may make the damage stages make sense- like for one, if the hydra had a health bar in three parts.
turbid needle
I'm okay with "bosses have phases."
timber temple
only took damage from Hades during his stage1 to stage2 transition phase/attack
prime knoll
noice
timber temple
Y'all can call me casual for not having already made it to heat 32 but i'm proud how well my first run with Hera's bow turned out
naive tusk
No one should belittle you. Itās even against the rules
And more importantly, against human decency
timber temple
just saying that there are speed runners here who can do this in their sleep
naive tusk
And they have no right to belittle you
silver rover
just saying that there are speed runners here who can do this in their sleep
@timber temple its all right, everyone has their own playing preference, most important is, everyone is happy!
naive tusk
Just because they can do better
silver rover
this is a single player game! everyone wins !!!
bright mulch
Yeah, just have fun with it
timber temple
I swear the power difference between Chiron and Hera is astronomical
turbid needle
You just need the right Chiron build.
naive tusk
I know speed runners who attend speed running conventions and they dont have an ego complex
So donāt let others mock you or anything of the sort
silver rover
I swear the power difference between Chiron and Hera is astronomical
@timber temple so basicqally hera bow is kinda like hestia railgun ? i.e. high damage
naive tusk
Enjoy the game at your pace and play it any way you want
bright mulch
I think Chiron has a higher floor (easier to make a build that'll do pretty nice) while Hera has a higher cieling (stack the right stuff like going full arty and you turn the FInal Boss into basically an Elite Mob)
naive tusk
I havenāt used Hera after the frustrations of seeing my cast out of bounds. Thatās why I go for Poseidon aspect if I want to do a cast run
silver rover
i'm a very casual player myself, but nowadays i got addicted to perserving my win streak (i gave up a hestia railgun run when both the 2nd phase last boss and i got down to 25% health (out of DD charges too) remaining. https://i.imgur.com/ity8Eef.jpg
hmmm hera, i has like 30 titan blood now, maybe i should give hera bow a try, but i wanna unlock guan yu as well ...
bright mulch
Yeah I once saw my True Shots cleanly sail out of bounds in Zone 1 lol
naive tusk
I love how you had all those epic Poseidon boons
silver rover
I love how you had all those epic Poseidon boons
@naive tusk its like the game is telling me to go and make a pinball build š
naive tusk
Exactly!
bright mulch
Surfs up
naive tusk
Btw, when did you get the Sweet Nectar?
silver rover
Btw, when did you get the Sweet Nectar?
@naive tusk š i can't really remember, let me go through the screenies for some clues
silver rover
Btw, when did you get the Sweet Nectar?
@naive tusk ah no clues sowee. i think quite early on, maybe tartarus or aspodel. but i did not really go and pick up many poms of power.
naive tusk
Ah, I see. Iām still wishing I get Sweet Nectar or Exclusive Access before reaching Elysium or Styx someday š
silver rover
well, i think, once, i got 2 chaos boons which adds liek 22% boons are rare or better and after i got those 2 chaos boons, it kinda like like all the boons i came accross are of epic quality š
waxen furnace
there was too much to share here. 33% extra boon rare chance from chaos, 24% extra damage to weak, so much stacking stuff
trying to pour more into chiron bow to give it another go. got it up to 6 shots. what special/attack combinations do y'all go for?
I'd imagine aphro would be good as always
dio/dem for some stacking fun, poseidon for damage maybe?
turbid needle
Aphro attack, Artemis special.
waxen furnace
interesting. would have imagined a two status pair would have been neat.
ahhh, the aphro/artemis duo
I see the value there now
turbid needle
Yuuup.
bright mulch
Plus you can pick up the other status effect somewhere else, like Dio or Demeter dash is an easy one
silver rover
well i had fun with weakness attack and knock back special. with 11 homing arrows them giant rats get pushed back quite far. https://i.imgur.com/jfiJgoo.jpg rupture helps a bit too.
hybrid galleon
Hera bow should get a speedier cast recovery from the bug it suffers
That is. If the bug isnt gonna get resolved
Also what if they made it unable to be picked up but has faster recovery compared to normal status
dense locust
@waxen furnace Yeah I think having athena dash along with +3 dashes is also super helpful for survivability
waxen furnace
even just with 2 dashes, still quite useful
dense locust
@waxen furnace I also like zeus on the special for chiron
yeah
with 4 dashes you can dodge a lot of the spin attacks
waxen furnace
oh really? I have always found zeus attack/special to be underwhelming
hybrid galleon
SPINNY BOI
waxen furnace
ugh I hate having to pick between a trial of the gods and a daedalus hammer. I need to go hammer but passing up 2 boons hurrrrts
hybrid galleon
Zeus attack is good with anything that has short range
dense locust
But if you get the zeus legendary
hybrid galleon
Cough shield
dense locust
Or zeus rail on attack
hybrid galleon
Boons are greater than hammer imo
waxen furnace
oh my. an extra 4 special shots on chiron bow... this is nice
hybrid galleon
One hammer mod could already carry you the game
dense locust
I had a one build for I had doom on attack and the boon that instantly activates boon when knocking enemies away, and poseidon on dash
Oof that was poorly written sentence
waxen furnace
this is in tartarus still, Fade
so I was at zero hammer mods
+4 special arrows on a chiron build is probably better than the two boons I would have gotten
dense locust
But basically I would dash attack through enemies with the rail and the constant doom damage being activated just melted everything
hybrid galleon
God trial on tartarus? Lucky you
Its good either way. You would see at least two hammers in your average run
waxen furnace
only one of them was useful for the build, of the two gods. but still yeah
hybrid galleon
Unless the rngesus hates you
waxen furnace
it was zeus-artemis. and I really didn't want zeus attacks
dense locust
I had a run where I didn't see a hammer until elysium, and only 1 the whole run
dense locust
artemis isnt too bad either
hybrid galleon
Ditch zeus and go for virgin gurl anyday
dense locust
Just a green circle that follows you around
hybrid galleon
Im sorry dad
bright mulch
There are 2 virgins though
waxen furnace
oh I'm sorry I meant I didn't want zeus' attack boon
hybrid galleon
They are the meta virgins
waxen furnace
or... nearly anything zeus related
hybrid galleon
Zeus jolt is great
dense locust
Don't like that chain lightning machine gun? I find it's good when I'm going for special damage
hybrid galleon
Its like doom but better however required extra steps
waxen furnace
I already have a special (artemis), so I was hoping for a more relevant attack
bright mulch
Zeus is bad bc jolted is too based
dense locust
But it does spread status to everything and is good at dealing with lower hp mods
mobs
hybrid galleon
Yeah you need his one skill in order for thst to work
dense locust
lol
bright mulch
Jolted makes up for your poor attack and special