He's got super cool Duos with Dionysus and Aphrodite, but that's it.
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
odd quarry
I would say Poseidon’s good in Tartarus because the rooms tend to be smaller with plenty of slammable walls
He’s ok in Asphodel for Lava Kills
turbid needle
Also yes, but past a certain point players start beating Furies without using the Mirror for the bonus dialogue, so Tartarus is pretty free.
odd quarry
Elysium he’s been hit-or-miss based on room size; the smaller the room, the better
turbid needle
Last time I ran Poseidon I knocked a bunch of Spreaders (only enemies at that point) into lava and then they camped over the lava and attacked me.
Making it so Greatshields/Theseus take damage if their backs contact a wall during knockback would go a great deal in making Poseidon more viable.
wind vale
the poseidon demeter cast duo is also good
and poseidon zeus on fast firing rail or chiron bow
turbid needle
Doesn't work on Chiron.
turbid needle
And it's mediocre on the Rail, you'd rather have Zeus Attack.
It does not.
I've used it multiple times in this patch alone and it does not proc on every arrow.
wind vale
ill test it again but last time i used it it did definitely work
and on rail - i prefer way more damage over laughable chain
turbid needle
Ooh, I've been waiting for this again.
atomic mist
I'm not sure how I feel about the "guaranteed to show up" boons from Olympian keepsakes appearing as Erebus challenge room rewards. It says "the next boon you will find will be from X" so it's totally fair in that respect but ehhh
wind vale
24 is less than 40 btw
turbid needle
I'm well aware.
atomic mist
It didn't in my case. Took a while for that god to show up again. I was slightly mad 
turbid needle
90 is more than 30, but the best Nemesis build is still with Double Edge, not World Splitter.
atomic mist
Tried to reroll too but nothing
turbid needle
Tidal Strike constantly forces enemies out of the Rail's attack range, not to mention inhibits your ability to reliably land Bombard unless you have Rocket Bombs.
atomic mist
Sorry for interrupting. Carry on
wind vale
oh - i dont use bombard if i get a good build
turbid needle
Sounds like you're handicapping yourself.
wind vale
yea dealing more damage is such a handicap
turbid needle
Since Eris/Cluster Rockets/Artemis Special is one of the few builds that can handle 40 Heat.
Show me your 32 Heat clear with Sea Storm.
wind vale
my 32 was poison
turbid needle
Oh, so you couldn't do it with Sea Storm?
wind vale
didnt bother
turbid needle
I knew specifically that Lightning Strike could do it and wanted to prove it, so I did.
wind vale
sea storm is bad because its too much efford to get
not because the end result is bad
end result is insane
turbid needle
It's a Duo boon.
That requires one boon from each Zeus and Poseidon.
Not even tier 2s, just core boons.
Sea Storm is bad because Poseidon is bad and you're relying on his boons to proc it.
wind vale
duo, specific curses, and going in both their trees to get the effects
gloomy vine
How are people posting screenshots of their runs?
turbid needle
I use F11.
Post it somewhere else in Discord and grab the link, or use an image host like imgur.
gloomy vine
ah imgur. I see. I thought it might be a discord permissions thing
turbid needle
I'm not that special.
atomic mist
If you're on Steam, you can also link your public screenshots from there
turbid needle
(Also, you should try that with Eris, it gets even sillier)
topaz pumice
I like Zagerus aspect just because I hate reloading lol
turbid needle
That's fair.
topaz pumice
That was a good run though
I smoked Hades
I got the Aphrodite Ares Duo right at the end
So Hades was the only one I could have even used it on
Which is too bad. I like that boon
wind vale
or make the ares athena cast not remove it but trigger it
would just be a silly interaction but would make it work
turbid needle
If you have Merciful End you want a fresh Doom tick.
wind vale
what i was thinking about was get weak and doom on the target
and athena dash spam over it
for the flat damage it adds
(and some of the doom that is left)
turbid needle
You might get something out of that.
wind vale
currently it removes the doom and obviously doesnt work 😦
turbid needle
I still think you would have better DPS by reapplying Doom fresh for each Deflect hit.
Yes, you mix in Weak if you don't have Exposed for the additional damage.
wind vale
ofc its not optimal - just a silly idea
id always go for athena artemis duo to increase damage
oblique tusk
man, i finally had a chiron run that went well
went for dio, epic special offered first room
rerolled second room into nectar with one roll
third room got relentless volley
went for chaos, got an epic attack boon right into epic-rank demeter attack
and then i got permafrost or whatever it's called
the demeter boon that inflicts decay
turbid needle
Killing Freeze.
oblique tusk
so i'm here on theseus and asterius doing ~70 dps with a demeter dot, ~120 dps with poison, and a 120 damage attack
and i got ravenous will in styx well
so i was doing stupid high damage to hades
turbid needle
He is a man of honor and integrity and I respect him for it.
topaz pumice
Thought: What if the 4th Shield Aspect was Bouldy?
oblique tusk
haelian?
and what's the aphro bug?
the only aphro bug i know is the one with hera cast where it prevents me from playing the game...
mild crag
Haelian is speedrunner
And aphro bug is with charm and deflect how it increases the reflected damage to an insane amount
Since charmed enemies deal more damage, then you deflect it and it increases the damage again
fallow niche
@turbid needle You're wrong about the 200% backstab damage working on dash attacks
It doesn't look like its doing anything
It still looks like normal backstab damage
turbid needle
Yeah, realized that on literally the first run I did after leaving the stream yesterday. 
Thought I posted about it here, but I must not have. My deep apologies.
turbid needle
What he gets for his questionable boon choices.
frozen pier
Why doesn't Hermes have Boons that affect your main abilities like all the other Olympians?
wind vale
no idea but thats basically why i count him more like chaos than the olympians
additional boosts instead of the base stuff
(and he does not give you a keepsake that summons him)
frozen pier
indeed I forgot about that part, Chaos's charm acts more like the others
mild crag
Doesn't give you a guaranteed chance to meet them still tho
frozen pier
for sure
altho that being said I've used the Character specific charms before and haven't been guaranteed to encounter them except for when I first equip it
unless that is how it is supposed to act, but I would have thought it would carry over between each level
wind vale
thats it - you only force to see them once and after it its only the increased chance to meet gods you have already seen over new ones
but that can absolutely fail and you only see them once ofc
frozen pier
righto I was just assuming it carried over my bad
wind vale
sadly no - doesnt even refresh when you could change it but chose not to
mild crag
Not like its completely clear!
naive tusk
I will make a chart showing how to unlock the higher tier boons for each god so it's easier and faster to look at 🙂
Based on the info in the wiki
mild crag
I think somebody already did actually 
mild crag
Yes but I'm not sure what to search for to find it lemme try
naive tusk
Okay
mild crag
Ahhh
It's outdated too
Hermes slow debuff got moved to demeter
So same issue
It's a welcome to hell chart
gray lodge
What happens when time limit expires for tight deadline?
mild crag
You start taking periodic damage @gray lodge
naive tusk
I will make an updated one that's easier on the eyes too 😅
gray lodge
Oh I thought I died, finished elysium -1 seconds after deadline, and was wondering why i didnt die
oblique tusk
i thought you died too lmao
unkempt pagoda
@frozen pier hermes isn't like the other gods, he acts more like a hammer than anything
mild crag
nuh you just start slowly dying
unkempt pagoda
you can only get a max of two normally, unless you buy the one in styx
oblique tusk
hermes boons are basically hammers with rarities yh
mild crag
Sort of
unkempt pagoda
he's designed to be a support god anyways
mild crag
But not weapon exclusive so more like chaos mayb
oblique tusk
i mean
mild crag
And they're not limited to biomes
oblique tusk
you can get more than 2 chaos
unkempt pagoda
he's a hammer with lines
oblique tusk
wait you can only get 3 chaos?
unkempt pagoda
and a cool face
oblique tusk
i thought you could get 4 or 5 or smth
mild crag
I believe its three
I know hermes is 3 but not 100% on chaos
But pretty sure
And third hermes is always in Styx shop
oblique tusk
f
mild crag
I think that's what hermes replaced
pallid dagger
gross. put the hammer back.
anyway i'm doing a run
did i hear people say that if you get rid of demeter's prerequisite boons, you'd lose her duo boons?
wind vale
you keep them and they work but three of them improve casts - if you get rid of these casts they dont work
pallid dagger
yeah, the whole ice wine deal
minor shadow
Ok so Demeter says that neither Hestia or Hera are helping
But she doesn’t mention Apollo
So Apollo is coming right
What could be his boons’ characteristics ? Sun-bombs for casts ? Pulling on attack/special ?
pallid dagger
nah nah
apollo's sun-focus came at about the same time as artemis' moon focus
and she's just the hunting goddess here
so apollo would probably focus more on his more saintly truth and reasoning stuff, maybe?
also that's sad
i haven't heard that dialogue but i kinda wanted to see both those gods
minor shadow
I don’t really see how they can translate the « god of clear understanding and structure » into gameplay modifiers 🤔
He’s coming that’s certain
pallid dagger
unfortunately i agree
minor shadow
Maybe he’ll be defined as god of prophecies or music
oblique tusk
wasn't he also the god of poetry and prophecy before the sun?
pallid dagger
apollo and artemis' duo boon better be the most spectacular thing my eyes have ever seen
oblique tusk
or did that come after as well
pallid dagger
apollo was kind of an all-rounder "saint" god
standing for everything classy and good
minor shadow
There is no saints in greek mythology
minor shadow
He raped and killed as much as the other ones ahaha
pallid dagger
well, granted
minor shadow
But yeah he opposes the dionysian extasy and madness
pallid dagger
zeus is also supposed to be a punisher of oath-breakers and hypocrites and was also both
minor shadow
Omg duo boons between apollo and dionysus should be amazing too
pallid dagger
aw man, i hope he's not portrayed as a know it all
apollo and dionysus need to get drunk and high together
pallid dagger
i already maxed out dionysus so yeah, i'd be giving it all to apollo too
minor shadow
In any case let’s hope for interesting gameplay opportunities
I really am blocked beside bombs and pulls as additional bonuses
pallid dagger
let's see
aphrodite has weak, dio has poison,
zeus has "damage on next attack", poseidon has "damage while moving"
arty and athena have "take advantage of this"
minor shadow
Curses on Ares
pallid dagger
he's an archer like his sister, right? maybe he could have something that multiplied the duration of the "power shot" flash?
i never take advantage of that, too precise a timing needed for too little effect
minor shadow
Well a burn effect would be coherent but poison-like dps is already taken
Mmmh there’s no power shot on spear/rail/sword
And only one on shield if you have the right upgrade
pallid dagger
true
topaz pumice
Well, he is a god of healing as well
pallid dagger
b/tch if he takes up the "healer" slot he will become my main
minor shadow
Mmmh true
lime estuary
If Apollo isn’t gonna be the “fire” guy, then would Hephaestus be a good fit? God of the forge and all.
pallid dagger
funnily enough demeter does that, but only on the one upgrade
minor shadow
But healing in this game seems overpowered
pallid dagger
oh, yeah
hephy was both fire and earth, as the smithing god. been wondering about seeing zaggy breath fire.
but! i'm still holding out for an upgrade that allows daedalus hammer manipulation
maybe something that allows you the full list or allows you to find more than two
minor shadow
Or Hephaestus’ boons are like Hermes’, combinable bonuses
pallid dagger
tbh i can see why haphaestus hasn't been introduced sooner. he rules pretty much the same realm as hades, and he could be too big a deal. "this is literally my giant rock in space, and if he wants out, i say he gets out".
topaz pumice
What would be some alternate gods then
pallid dagger
i think that pretty much fills up the roster of "gods the greeks cared about more than incidentally".
hestia and hera notwithstanding.
pallid dagger
i don't think most modern viewers are as well-versed on those as the gods. i'm definitely not.
my schooling didn't really cover them that well beyond "earth, sky, time, and that one that birthed a lot of monsters"
mild crag
Apollo seems most likely but pretty sure they don't have plans for more
oblique tusk
really? my schooling didn't cover the greek gods at all
we covered the greek civilization without the gods beyond cursory references to their art
pallid dagger
there's like 4-5 spaces left on the keepsake roster
oblique tusk
and the inspiration
topaz pumice
I'm sure we can get plenty more NPC's
mild crag
I can't remember what my schooling covered except for letting me know my teachers and/or curriculum were incompetent
topaz pumice
Hell Heracles is just mentioned in passing most of the time right?
pallid dagger
tbh i hope less for more gods than more levels
topaz pumice
He could easily show up
topaz pumice
He is now
oblique tusk
he could have a nectar interaction line
pallid dagger
woops
topaz pumice
lol
pallid dagger
asterius is a lil bit of a, hmm.
prick?
mild crag
Asterius is kind of a doucher for making fun of your height
topaz pumice
He's bullheaded and a bit boastful, but to far lesser extents then good King Theseus
pallid dagger
i kinda wanna see what king theseus was supposed to be like
achilles' codex says he's changed
lime estuary
Theseus has been a bad influence on him
mild crag
I think theseus used to be less boastful
Zag mentions it I think
That hades made him the champion of Elysium so he got a big head
Theseus was originally a good influence on asterius
pallid dagger
9 more titan bloods til my goal
topaz pumice
Trying to max all the aspects?
pallid dagger
already done it
saving up for the new weapon
assuming we get all 4 aspects (as opposed to three and then the last one later), i'll need 51 to max em all
glacial grotto
do we have an idea of what the last weapon is?
pallid dagger
once you're done spending it it kinda collects itself.
oh, no, i think i asked about that but i didn't stick around to hear ideas
pallid dagger
i don't know why they'd do that
topaz pumice
I mean
glacial grotto
time for god of war 2 electric boogaloo
topaz pumice
We already have a weapon form from outside the Greek mythos
pallid dagger
do not mention that cursed thing
glacial grotto
lets go kill the norse pantheon now 👍
topaz pumice
lol
pallid dagger
i mean i know, but i'm still not sold on guan yu. they still gotta carry that theme for the other "last aspects" or else i'll be peeved
you made yer bed now be consistent in it
topaz pumice
I like Guan Yu. It's an intersting weapon and really changes up how I play anyways
pallid dagger
i meant not being sold on the hero associated with it. guan yu would be far, far from the first "spear-wielding" hero among dozens that aren't greek that i'd think of
(i still hate the whole vampiric aspect. i'm okay using it because the damage is so high, but i maintain that the hit-for-heal part is still unusable)
glacial grotto
just have to set up with it a little better to use it
topaz pumice
I can't think of really any spear wielding heroes off the top of my head
oblique tusk
Guan Yu is probably because it's China-friendly
glacial grotto
also stack attack speed % and charge boost/recovery from the hammer
oblique tusk
but otherwise there aren't too many other spear-wielding heroes, aside from like
mild crag
@topaz pumice theseus 
pallid dagger
cu chulain. odin.
oblique tusk
Cu Chulainn
topaz pumice
Outside of the Greek pantheon
pallid dagger
shiva, i think?
mild crag
Odin is wrong mythology
pallid dagger
so are most of the aspects
oblique tusk
Odin's known more for his wisdom and magic rather than Gungnir, though, right?
mild crag
The aspects are Greek except for guan yu right
topaz pumice
Right
pallid dagger
.................nah. not even a lil, lol.
though i wish more people did remember that part of him.
oblique tusk
huh
topaz pumice
We're going off the asumption that the 4th aspects will all be outside of greek
mild crag
Odin def more well known for being eyepatch spear guy
oblique tusk
i don't know nearly as much about Norse mythology
pallid dagger
heck, i wish i did know more about norse
it seems, on the whole, way cooler than greek
oblique tusk
all my knowledge really comes from Magnus Chase, Smite, and random google search spirals
topaz pumice
I thought Odin was well known for being really bad at pretending to not be Odin
pallid dagger
sjhfdvbs
oblique tusk
as opposed to actual research and such
sucks that Norse mythology was so heavily overwritten by Christians, though
mild crag
Inb4 norse pantheon was real and every god is just loki
pallid dagger
oh marvel, why did you do that
oblique tusk
being loki would be rad
aside from, you know
the torture
but having loki's powers would be rad
seemingly unrestricted shapeshifting sounds like a dream come true
topaz pumice
There are a lot of good Japanese and Egytian gods you can look at
And plenty, PLENTY of many heroes
Arthur being an obvious one
(King Arthur)
oblique tusk
Arthur was mentioned as one of the sword users they considered for Stygius' fourth aspect
topaz pumice
I mean yeah it's obvious
oblique tusk
as opposed to spear or shield
topaz pumice
It's like the most obvious
oblique tusk
priwen-based shield aspect would be cool tho
pallid dagger
they're gonna have to try hard to make better sword aspects than poseidon
mild crag
Oda Nobunaga rail aspect when
oblique tusk
lmao
pallid dagger
i keep thinking that that's going to be the hardest
oblique tusk
Sengoku Basara Oda Nobunaga pls
mild crag
Dual shotgun demon Nobunaga best Nobunaga
pallid dagger
the railgun as a whole is funny because they just kind of have to make crap up about who among the greek gods used a futuristic war weapon
topaz pumice
And it's Hestia of all people
pallid dagger
but i don't know that they could get away with that with other cultures/heroic myths
hestia especially made me laugh
it made me picture her holding exagryph in a rocking chair on her porch
mild crag
Masamune aspect for sword
pallid dagger
"one more doorbell prank, i swear"
mild crag
Six swords
topaz pumice
It's terrible because I mostly picture that terrible version of Hestia from the anime
the picking up girls in an dungeon one
mild crag
PHANTOM DIVE
oblique tusk
"before Hestia was the sweet, kindly goddess of the hearth and home she used a gun"
pallid dagger
ghhhhhhh i'm laughing right now
topaz pumice
Okay, here me out, last thought before I go
mild crag
Hestia God of home defence
topaz pumice
Because I have to go on a hot date
oblique tusk
For her neutral special, Hestia wields a ǵ̴͋ư̶͘ñ̶̚
topaz pumice
Last weapon is an Axe
pallid dagger
hestia god of your big sis who keeps a pistol in the closet
topaz pumice
It's 4th Aspect? Paul Bunyun
oblique tusk
i also exclusively think of DanMachi hestia, @topaz pumice
pallid dagger
oh god
topaz pumice
I want a giant blue ox in hades that helps you escape
mild crag
Hestia makes me think of danmachi and Eris makes me think of Konosuba
oblique tusk
okay, now that you mention it Eris makes me think of Konosuba
mild crag
Eris pads her chest with +60% damage bonus
oblique tusk
tbh i hope 4th rail aspect is Simo Hayha
and they shift Hestia aspect's effect to that
and make bestia aspect something else
lime estuary
I heard someone post feedback a while ago about reverting cluster back to its old form
I really hope they do that
hollow sorrel
hazard if not tight deadline, cluster if tight deadline
fallow niche
@turbid needle what do you think about poseidon cast build on guan yu
because that's what haelian's doing now 
oblique tusk
who's haelian?
hollow sorrel
speedrunner
I don't understand how that is going to make the 7 minute deadline
apparently it melts bosses and mini bosses fast enough to make up for it being really slow on some of the trash
kind fiber
So why don't people view Aphrodite's legendary boon being able to stunlock bosses as a problem? It seems too powerful to me yet this line of thought gets downvoted when it gets posted in #hades-feedback
lime estuary
I think part of it was the particular phrasing of the #hades-feedback post making it seem like a joke
kind fiber
I don't think making jokes in hades feedback automatically gets you downvoted and its not the first time its been downvoted
oblique tusk
i downvoted it, and i can tell you
kind fiber
Sure, thanks
oblique tusk
my reason for it is twofold: one, that i'd rather have things overtuned than undertuned
and two, there are more important issues for me atm
like retuning other boons and gods, fixing a couple game-ruining glitches like the one with hera cast
this would definitely be considered a major bug
but i prioritize other things
i agree with you that it needs to be changed, i just want other things to be prioritized for now
kind fiber
Is that it? I thought there would be a stronger reason if it was getting downvoted that hard
oblique tusk
those are my reasons, i'm not sure about other people
lime estuary
Wait do you mean stun locked as in actual stun locked, not just constantly stuck in charm?
lime estuary
That I don’t mind because it’s percent based
kind fiber
I mean, I don't mind that its a % chance to stun a boss
I mind that its tuned to such a point that it trivializes an encounter that is supposed to be difficult
hollow sorrel
A lot of people are hard set against any nerfs
lime estuary
It might be a good idea to to make it so that bosses just shake off charm after a set amount of time, so you can keep the fight difficult but not have to nerf the boon itself
hollow sorrel
and yes, it should have diminishing returns against a boss, or something to prevent what the rail does with it
lime estuary
I think I’ll make a rephrased version of that feedback emphasizing that it’s only a major issue with the rail and that the best solution would be to make bosses resistant to it
hollow sorrel
(or the chiron bow)
kind fiber
its not only a problem with a single weapon
I think I used it to good effect on a run awhile back on a slower weapon, namely the zeus special shield /w explosive return
and that weapon isn't even particularly fast
hollow sorrel
chaos shield bull rush to special spamming might get up there too
lime estuary
Updated my post to reflect this
kind fiber
I'm saying its so overtuned that there more attacks/specials in the game that its good with than those that its bad with
double attack shield, flurry blade sword, double/triple shot bow
bow volley
ETC
hollow sorrel
oh yeah, the spear has a fast rapid hammer too
kind fiber
anything you get a solid hermes attack speed boon on
bright mulch
Just finished Divine pairings with a cold fusion Chiron run
Zeus special and Demeter attack meant pretty smooth sailing
Safe enough I even cleared out styx
native ether
So why don't people view Aphrodite's legendary boon being able to stunlock bosses as a problem? It seems too powerful to me yet this line of thought gets downvoted when it gets posted in [#hades-feedback](/guild/456889434672201729/channel/525022184280948736/)
Because the duration of the charm time is quite low on bosses specifically, and the percentage is low enough to prevent it from being too much an issue.
Legendaries are supposed to be powerful. I don't think Unhealthy Fixation is any more broken than say Winter Harvest, Vicious Cycle, or Fully Loaded.
Bosses are already somewhat charm resistant, durations are shorter on them. The problem lies with if you make them fully resistant, the effect is useless against bosses (which is why Aphrodite Aid does damage at max call)
Which makes the Legendary rather unfun to use, and given that it's a legendary, I don't think it's a huge balance problem.
And limiting the number of charms on a boss has its own problems. It makes the times it actually stuns a boss and saves you random and limited, with no control, that's effectively as useless as it not working on the boss at all.
hollow sorrel
I really not sure how we got to "either it should always work, or it's completely useless"
kind fiber
I mean I might agree with that assessment of vicious cycle or fully loaded, but I've never been impressed by winter harvest
But yeah, its already random, it being random and limitless is a bigger problem than it being random and limited
hollow sorrel
Winter harvest just skips the last 5% of the final boss fight, and does nothing to the final boss for the entire rest of the fight
kind fiber
Yeah, I'm not sure why it was brought up
hollow sorrel
any boon that increases your overall dps by 5% would effectively do the same thing
hollow sorrel
two life bars, and doesn't work on the first life bar
kind fiber
and a 10% reduction in health is equivalent to a 11% increase in damage
Ah, okay
This would be more pronounced if it was a 50% health reduction which would be the equivalent of a 100% damage increase
lime estuary
Does it not work on the first life bar? I thought it did
kind fiber
A boon that effectively increases your damage by 11% doesn't seem compelling tho
hollow sorrel
there's a video of it not working on first life bar, but working on second life bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYQgpVM1QHM Well that's over. Spent a lot of time, with an attack boon, but nothing in special/cast/dash/call
kind fiber
I'm not sure he was chilled at the time of dropping below 10% hp the first time
nvm, it seems he was
I'd want to test it myself to be sure though
orchid cypress
Hello, I can't seem to unlock the quest with sisyphus
Does anyone know how to do it? I've given him enough nectars to have the heart with a lock
hollow sorrel
You have to keep talking to people over and over, until the game randomly graces you with the quest
hollow sorrel
you'll eventually make friends with the boulder, which is maybe the half way point
and more talking after that. You might actually need to talk to the boulder a few times after you're told to, or maybe give the boulder a few nectars. I'm really not sure what triggers it, besides more talking
hollow sorrel
have you been able to talk to the boulder yet?
hollow sorrel
at some point, after he mentions it, you can "talk" to the boulder
hollow sorrel
I don't think so? I remember not realizing I could talk to it, until I searched through this discord
chrome viper
Hello! I wanted to post my big idea for the last weapon, but I just realized that the release date was already announced in the latest trailer... 
So I wanted to post it anyways but it's a BIG wall of text. I wanted to ask
A) Is this the right channel to post that kind of stuff?
B) Apparently I broke the character limit... Any idea on how to post it?
hollow sorrel
You can post it here, or if you read the pinned messages, you'll find the code that gives you access to chat in the feedback channel
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green sable
pistols....that is all..
unkempt pagoda
i mean, sgg has probably planned out the weapon for a long while now, and is also halfway through the update as well
though if you post it here, people would love to comment and speculate on it!
blazing mulch
Yeach we all know, but we can dream
If you broke character limit, then split it to 2 parts
green sable
oh i know but i am just saying my thoughts is all.
❤️
i gotta finish things on higher heat...for a statue i need at least 8 heat.
tidal thorn
The boon when you fight a mini boss is already awesome, does Yarn make is way better?
Is Yarn worth it there, I guess.
light aspen
is it possible to get 100% dodge with lambent plume and hermes boon
fiery shale
it's hard capped
wait no soft capped
but it's practical a hard cap
I think it's somewhere around 80%
turbid needle
Damage resistance is 80%, but I'm not 100% sure there's a hard limit to Dodge.
I saw someone stand in front of Hades's lasers and not take damage.
trim solar
shouldn't trove rewards trigger the contractor bonuses?
meaning when you pick up darkness you should get +5 life
or picking up gems should get you 20 gold
bright mulch
Pretty nice, just did a run with it today that was pretty smooth
Wish Zeus special didn't have an internal cooldown for the multishot though lol
tidal thorn
Is it one of those weapons where you need to fully upgrade it before using?
I can do 3/5 right now.
green sable
i wish it wasn't such a weak starter
proper jolt
I kinda wish the Zeus aspect was better
I'm probably not using it right I just don't like how slow the shield throw is
green sable
i only used it once and never used it again
mellow quest
chiron aspect sorta needs to be at least level 3 to feel good and it starts slowing down as you turn up the heat a lot more than something like the Eris aspect does
the Zeus shield is slow at clearing rooms but it is very strong against the bosses, it's really good for applying stackable statuses though (doom +stacking doom, hangover, chill)
choosing between a double boon room w/ exclusive access, a daddy hammer or a chaos gate
it's like that meme of not knowing what button to press
sacred idol
Access unless you have tons of boons
mellow quest
no like, i already have exclusive access so both boons in that room will be rare
and it's demeter + athena
sacred idol
Yeah
If you don't have a crapton of boons do it
If you do... it depends how far you are from boss room
mellow quest
but also hammer on gaun yu
sacred idol
...point. what biome
mellow quest
im in asphodel currently
sacred idol
Do you have important stuff like athena dash and a demeter attack...
mellow quest
it's probably one of the few times the game has made me stop and really think about the decision here
sacred idol
Seems early enough you can try for a hammer later.
At Elysium I would be like "woah take the hammer"
proper jolt
Guan yu aspect needs a Nerf tbh
tidal thorn
You can get the hammer offered again, you just need to roll.
sacred idol
@proper jolt No
prime knoll
you only get to choose two, but it'll show up as much as it wants until you do that. I was doing a dash only build, and it was offered 5 rooms in a row or so until I only had one choice and had to take it.
sacred idol
It is offered again
mild crag
It keeps getting offered til you pick it, then you won't be offered a second one until elysium
If you don't take two by styx one can be there too
opal bay
Oh yeah hammer will try to appear in your pool A LOT until you actually pick it.
Can confirm what Köpek said. Did dash only run too. Hammers were haunting me.
sacred idol
Daedalus Hamster
prime knoll
While that's nice if you want that boon, it's a big hindrance if you don't since it takes up options.
I was just testing Ares dash-only, and I only got one run with more than one Ares boon... out of about 6 attempts, I think.
Started with Ares keepsake every time.
opal bay
I did Poseidon Dash only run.
prime knoll
Poseidon's is so fun
opal bay
Only drawback of Poseidon I think is how hard it is to push back bosses into walls
prime knoll
You get to a point where you dash a semicircle around foes to keep them wall slammed
opal bay
Otherwise he would have been unstoppable
sacred idol
I have the opposite RNG. I had one run that, I think, only had one hammer
prime knoll
That one boon that boosts the damage of push effects against bosses seems to attempt to cover that weakness, but unless I'm mistaken, it just adds damage without allowing them to actually be pushed.
opal bay
I swear I remember pushing alecto into wall one time with Poseidons dash by a bit.
prime knoll
@sacred idol It never cooperates when you do something intentional.
sacred idol
Boss wall slams at full force would be so broken
prime knoll
"Let me test something."
Hades: 😈
I'd like to be able to slam them but with reduced damage and distance
maybe they'd have a cooldown immunity to it or something 🤷🏽
@opal bay I know I've seen Wall Slams on Asterius before. I imagine the push distance is still there, but reduced by like 99% or something.
So if they happen to be against the wall when you push them, it might trigger.
sacred idol
Yeah, I've had that on Furies
Really shreds them, so...
I can see why it's not actually a thing
opal bay
So, technically speaking
We can push them
It's just that we have to have them very close near a wall
sacred idol
I don't know if Hades is immune though.
opal bay
Hydra for sure, but the last boss. There aren't many places to him them against the wall and they are quick too.
prime knoll
As far as push interactions with bosses, it seems like something meaningful should happen since that's Poseidon's entire thing. Rupture helps, I suppose, but that depends on getting that specific boon beyond whichever other Poseidon boons you have.
and the one that improves push damage against bosses is also an entire boon investment that other mechanics don't require.
sacred idol
Like I've said previously: Make it baked in at a higher value, or make it multiplicative
prime knoll
elaborate
sacred idol
Multiplicative=calculates like Heart Rend
i.e., total damage x 1.15
instead of total damage + 15
which is blatantly useless
OR give it a higher flat value innate to pushback, a damage value that applies to bosses instead of the pushback
aka, give it base damage only for bosses
so if it were, say, 40 damage, legendary dashing Hades would deal an extra 80 damage because of double push, on top of the base dash damage
sacred idol
Oh, that's thicc.
mellow quest
which one is sudden rush
i only have minotaur rush so far which is the 300% power shot
i picked up breaching rush for the second hammer upgrade, one shotting all armor seems pretty good for the time limit
sacred idol
Sudden Rush could make Minotaur hard to time.
runic jewel
Anyone know if there's a .ini file or something for keybinds? I'd like to add attack and special to keyboard but still have them be mouseable as well
dense locust
Do +%damage to attack also affect dash attack?
I thought yes, but I know some hammer effects do not
hardy crow
They do yes
dense locust
thanks
mellow quest
FINALLY got the defiance boon
mellow quest
impending doom is way better
dense locust
Okay thats what I thought
was just wondering if there was some interaction I wasn't seeing
I guess if I had bow maybe
and chiron
But as a rare, impending is adding 65% and .5 seconds to the status, where as the epic dire misfortune adds 10 damage a stack, and I assume doesnt even increase the doom duration
frosty pier
I wonder if they stack?
Or it's just usual DM damage just with added time to make 1-2 attacks
mild crag
Pretty sure they stack
And the DM bonus benefits from Impending doom bonus
Good synergy
Still not as broken as merciful end but it's okay
mellow quest
if it were a % increase on doom damage per stack dire misfortune would be cool
but it's a flat addition
mild crag
Yeah doesn't scale very well
mellow quest
so even on flurry fire rail impending doom will outdamage it
mild crag
You can have both but it's just not all that great
mild crag
Just get Zeus attack boom
You gotta play bow melee
And not charge anything
Otherwise yeah it suck
mellow quest
that's the thing though, even on those fast shots you're not getting the full 300% damage bonus
like i've got +100% damage from deadly strike, and then dash striking is another +100%, on top of explosive shot + exposed at 75%; yet even with boiling blood and a backstab explosive shots that are "quick fired" aren't even hitting 130
it's so bad
dense locust
Well I just stacked them and dire misfortune wasn't noticeable but I had shield
I could see dire misfortune being good with chiron bow
calm umbra
regal nimbus
unborn trellis
ah yes, the "stand there and take it" build
naive cobalt
Wow! XD
glossy cedar
I just spam attack
it's great
since the call works off of %of max hp I think
and this was nice damage
opaque merlin
So I just had a run with Nemesis Aspect, figured I'd go for Exit Wounds. Didn't get a single cast-related boon from Artemis or Hermes, but somehow ended up with a level 8 heroic Aphrodite cast, along with a rare and an epic Chaos cast bonus. Cast was hitting for ~700 against Hades
turbid needle
Do you mean Poseidon Aspect? Nemesis gives a native crit chance to Attack for 3 seconds after using Special.
opaque merlin
err, yes, that
It was a weird run. I never got a Call at all, and only got an attack boon in Styx
opaque merlin
I believe it, but no Demeter available. Didn't have Privileged Status at all
turbid needle
RIP
opaque merlin
I mean, it got the job done. But definitely not optimally
frosty pier
Exit wounds are just silly
turbid needle
Oh, wow, Charged Skewer, Guan Yu, and Deadly Flourish is dumb. Just got a 2333 crit with Heart Rend and Clean Kill.
rugged estuary
@turbid needle Is Guan Yu + Charged Skewer still broken in that you get instant full range? Or is that fixed?
turbid needle
Fixed.
rugged estuary
Alrighty, too bad.
opal bay
I really should keep on farming blood till Guan Yu is probably fixed
rugged estuary
What's wrong with it currently?
sacred idol
@pastel jolt thanks for pointing out that my mentioning Athena was a terrible idea, I wasn't around for that period in dev
so that leaves "I think Poseidon should have it" because giving him more damage won't make him more broken than he already is vs normal sized mobs
pastel jolt
this is true
sacred idol
it'll just be overkill on top of the mass murder that wall smashes give, maybe fix his weakness to splitters in asphodel and the hydra's general bum-screwing immunity to being moved
and make him a good general use god for all occasions, while letting other gods Just Work Okay out of the box without matryoshka-ing boons (Aphro, Demeter, and Athena Just Work, Dio just needs poms, Ares needs a rework either way)
Artemis has a few issues with investment:reward ratio but does have a lot of power locked up behind those "stars align" builds.
I have strongly considered the merits of just buffing Poseidon and leaving Aphro alone, giving us TWO chunky raw damage gods for different purposes
one more defensive, one more add clear with oodles of side treasure
That may be a good solution.
Leaves Arti with just a little bit of adjustment to her power curve, and Ares as the poor boy whose kit just doesn't really come together cohesively
lament coral
and things that don't crit require boons that do crit, with the exception of the dash
sacred idol
but they do come back together in a satisfying way
as has been mentioned, black out makes hangover extra spicy
lament coral
my only issue with the fog is the boon that gives you damage resistance while inside of it
sacred idol
hm, true, it should perhaps linger for 1-2 seconds.
yeah?
dash through fog for a little bit of DR to upkeep
lament coral
I just wish it did something else, or something more, like increasing the fog's AOE
rugged estuary
Dunno, I feel like for a legendary, Dios legendary is super narrow anyways.
lament coral
perhaps over a period of time instead of straight up bigger cast AOE
it definitely is
look at Arty, 3 casts
rugged estuary
It'd be useful for a cast build if the effect applied before the cast damage
lament coral
anyone's casts
rugged estuary
so if you cast fog on a poisoned foe the cast gets the damage bonus already
lament coral
but Dio requires fog AND poison
rugged estuary
yeah, and then it has no immediate effect
so it requires fog, poison and THEN a followup
and quick, or the enemy will just move out of the fog
sacred idol
Hmmmm.
It should affect the poison
hue let's make hangover even more broke
@rugged estuary suggest that it applies before the damage, maybe
lament coral
to be honest, the few times I took fog with poison, it's been busted
sacred idol
to be fair, if it's that stronk afterward, it doesn't need it
legendaries and duos aren't meant to be always there and core, they're just there to supercharge a build that's already highly invested in
lament coral
but ever since I started playing builds, I sorta stopped looking for Dio outside of Chaos shield runs
lament coral
I did one Hera run and it took me almost an hour with Dio cast, without poison, of course
sacred idol
eg curse of longing
Also, if you don't have ANY way of inflicting hangover with a dio run, I question the viability of that seed's RNG
lament coral
it just seems stupid that some legendaries are nut bustingly and universally good, like Demeter's or Zeus'
or even Aphro's
sacred idol
The crappiest duo boons: Curse of Longing, Lightning Rod. Maybe Sweet Nectar, but it's not that HARD to get
Lightning Phalanx...
I got it once. Felt underwhelmed.
lament coral
it's just Zeus cast's bounces on Athena cast
sacred idol
Ares' legendary is strong if you're that far down, it's just kind of bollocks to get that far down an ares tree
lament coral
wow
sacred idol
and yeah, since zeus cast sucks, athena cast with zeus bounce sucks
lament coral
at least Curse of Longing could be easily fixed by tweaking the numbers
Lightning Rod is just bad
worthy dust
Lightning rod probably pulses too slowly to be useful
I tried it once and was underwhelmed
lament coral
it's just anti-synergetic with the nature of casts as a whole
sacred idol
also no, it's completely negated by hermes legendary and is generally just bad
yeah
it goes against how casts should be used in every way
lament coral
if it caused your lodged and on the ground casts to shoot, it could be pretty good
lament coral
but it doesn't really fit Artemis cast, which it is supposed to be used with
sacred idol
well, for non poseidon swords
but then, you'd have to use a cast build not on poseidon or hera for maximum effect
Hm
Freak Accident just sounds better.
lament coral
it really does and it should be brought back
mellow aurora
isnt zeus cast really good for taking out many enemies at once?
sacred idol
I do have an alternate take on that though. Wild idea
mellow aurora
especially with other zeus boons
sacred idol
"Lightning bolts have a chance to crit"
lament coral
it's really good at hitting one enemy, then bouncing off a wall and into a corner of the map where you can't see the cast
that's my experience with Zeus cast past Tartarus
mellow aurora
im actually have lots of problems with losing casts with that boon now that i think about it
mellow aurora
they used to indicate where it landed off screen though
rugged estuary
Lightning Rod is solid, you just don't play it with a cast build.
And obv. it gets bad if you play budget cuts.
But yeah, a lot of the legendaries feel quite universally good. Ares is narrow, but powerful enough to make up for it.
Dio, on the other hand, is not.
rugged estuary
Nor should it. But that's not the legendaries fault.
If Ares were better in general, the legendary would be okay I think.
sacred idol
Black Out is crazy powerful when you have the two prereqs
Question is though, why wouldn't you run both, other than lacking boons
So much of Dionysus' scaling is about buffing hangovers or applying hangovers that it'd be silly not to at least have one for the privileged status
bright mulch
Yeah getting that free 💯 from black out is pretty 🔥
tiny portal
Hrmm, I think Hunting Blades with a full Ares build might be my new favorite thing
turbid needle
It's the best build in the game.
tiny portal
With shield, just throw your casts out and sit in bull rush
sacred idol
Ah, the "finally Ares works" build
turbid needle
He's fine supplementary damage, until he's outdamaging even the best Aphrodite/Artemis build.
I'm not sure what you want, he seems to be the perfect Magikarp Power.
tiny portal
I had never even considered it until I got Hunting Blades for the first time last game
sacred idol
you do need a specific TWO gods to make blade rifts do anything
turbid needle
Yeah, you need two specific gods to make Blade Rifts your primary DPS.
tiny portal
It also fills your god guage idiotically fast
sacred idol
also, blade dash is still garbass due to its deploy mechanism
turbid needle
Just littering the field with them in between other attacks is great for softening targets and cleaning up armor.
Yeah, Blade Dash sucks, no disagreement there.
sacred idol
and there's no point at which both halves of the Ares formula synergize meaningfully
turbid needle
They're both individually ridiculously strong with full investment.
turbid needle
Merciful End.
tiny portal
I had both last game, was just doing a normal doom/shield special build
turbid needle
I'm aware, which is fine for the second best build in the game.
sacred idol
ares without duo boons is godsawful
tiny portal
Happened to get Ares cast and Hunting Blades so started using it and everything just melted
turbid needle
He's low-mid without Duos.
sacred idol
it's not magikarp power, it's ice climbers desync memes
tiny portal
With Black metal and Ares legendary
turbid needle
See, Magikarp Power actually fits the RPG elements of Hades, I don't even understand the reference you're trying to make.
tiny portal
And pressure points of course
turbid needle
Nothing about Smash fits here.
turbid needle
Magikarp Power.
sacred idol
imagine if you HAD to be tag teaming for Magikarp to become Gyarados
turbid needle
Weak at first, but explosively more powerful for the investment.
turbid needle
Or Athena.
sacred idol
The stacking Doom thing definitely sucks mathwise, though
He's still just weird in concept
turbid needle
Stop bringing Dire Misfortune up.
naive tusk
Aphrodite cries
turbid needle
I know it sucks, everyone knows it sucks, no one is using it as an argument for Ares being good.
sacred idol
I'll bring up whatever I please if it's relevant.
turbid needle
It's never relevant.
turbid needle
It is not used in Ares's builds.
Impending Doom is the bonus to Doom that's relevant.
sacred idol
doot
He's still conceptually the least cohesive, and I'm not sure you've ever quite shown proof for this "best build" thing
turbid needle
Until Poseidon Aspect was released, Merciful End held all the WRs.
Hunting Blades with Vicious Cycle is the safest DPS in the game and also top tier DPS.
I've never crunched out the numbers, but these conclusions were made from months of discussions with the best minds that were available at the time.
sacred idol
🤔 Is it still safe if you don't have hermes legendary and have to pick crap up off the floor
turbid needle
Yeah, kite stuff around the room.
sacred idol
I'm more perplexed people get RNG to cooperate and get him to cough up the goods.
wind vale
or just start with achilles spear to make it even easier
turbid needle
We all accepted that RNG would play a factor when we bought this game.
sacred idol
thanks cap'n
roguelites have rng in them
this is known
Just saying, I've never seen the whole thing actually spawn
and I've gotten some silly 4x duo runs
turbid needle
There's dozens of videos on YouTube, just because it's never happened to you doesn't mean it hasn't happened to someone else.
sacred idol
Did I say that?
wind vale
also i got to test it - you were right and poseidon zeus duo only triggers twice with chiron - no idea when that changed
turbid needle
"Just saying, I've never seen the whole thing actually spawn"
sacred idol
yeah, that's me, I never said it never happened.
oh, you're just being you again
Ares is best and worst god 
wind vale
i honestly think ares seems strong at first, has a long stretch were hes weak and then has very strong possibilities in the end if you still look at him at all
sacred idol
admittedly, I like doom in specific scenarios
wind vale
given your overall playtime, not inside a run - to clarify
sacred idol
eh? that sounds like an accurate summation of what ares runs are like in a self-contained sense
tiny portal
Shrug I was using Chaos Aspect shield and was just planning on doing a weakness/doom build because that's what the game was giving me. Then it kept giving me Ares and some Artemis and I ended up with Hunting Blades, Ares Cast, Black Metal, Ares Legendary, Pressure Points, Weakness Dash, Different League (was at 28% after poms) and the Artemis assist. God Guage fills in about 3 seconds this way as well
sacred idol
at first it's like "aw hell yeah" and then it's "wait, what, why isn't the god of murdalizing things murdalizing anything bigger than a numbskull" and then "YES, IT BLENDS!"
tiny portal
You can just sit in bull rush while the Ares cast does its thing
Then bull rush to your cast crystals and repeat
And never take any damage
And melt everything as well
sacred idol
tfw I always get given crap like Dire Memesfortune instead
or Blade Dash
just blade dash, no cast
wind vale
i thought more like in your first runs you test all the gods and there is with no efford ares giving you 100 bonus damage on special
seems strong at the beginning
sacred idol
I guess if they make Blade Dash and Dire Misfortune less trash, he'll be okay as a secondary god (secondary for most of the game, until styx)
How far can you even invest in Doom, though, other than Impending+Merciful
Base doom, impending, merciful end...
turbid needle
Stack with Poms and Privileged Status.
wind vale
ofc privileged status from mirror
turbid needle
Exposed.
sacred idol
wait what, crit where?
turbid needle
Crit is overkill, but nice if you have it.
west fox
i got a question... how do you get the last artifact in the Codex??
sacred idol
What crits?
wind vale
pressure points and artemis athena duo
turbid needle
Pressure Points or Deadly Reversal.
sacred idol
Just the base attack...?
yeah no I mean can doom crit or is it just to make your base attacks not poopy
turbid needle
If you have True Shot or Deadly Strike/Flourish you don't even need to use the Artemis boon.
wind vale
and hunters mark theoretically but that would be kinda hard
chrome bone
Just got such an OP build, easy 100% uptime on charm
turbid needle
Doom can crit.
sacred idol
oh.
okay, fine, you win a point, doom can crit.
TIL
Hunter's Mark still the worst status curse lul
"Wait, Artemis has a status?"
pastel jolt
@west fox If memory serves, that's the Red Onion! You get it by failing a no-hit challenge in the Infernal Gates.
manic ermine
Hunters mark does make room clearing a joke
sacred idol
If you win one perfectly, you should also get a RAD onion, with shades
west fox
ahhh
manic ermine
and heroes
west fox
@west fox If memory serves, that's the Red Onion! You get it by failing a no-hit challenge in the Infernal Gates.
@pastel jolt I see! thank you!
chrome bone
The problem with hunters mark is that the game is mostly about fighting the last boss and it isnt that usefull there
tiny portal
Oh I also had Ravenous Will in that build as well
chrome bone
Outside of that I like it
sacred idol
yeah, Hunter's Mark is kinda... you intentionally have to leave dudes alive to make it work
turbid needle
You can use Hades's Bloodstones and adds as Hunter Mark triggers.
mellow quest
The mark only adds crit chance though, right
turbid needle
Still think it can go back to marking the crit target now that it expires properly.
sacred idol
I did try it once with the blood cast. With... mixed results.
wind vale
i think mark is only really useful for aoe
sacred idol
That's the most important thing to add, its issue is not working on the single target
Crit chance, in a game where crits do minimum 300% damage, is more valuable.
There are two very potent ways to add crit damage, but crit chance is limited unless you use Nemesis or the scrap from Zagreus bow
chrome bone
The 5% crit on everything also procs it a lot if you have some sort of dot
turbid needle
Yes.
sacred idol
that's a big thonkener
wind vale
yea even poison can crit
sacred idol
TIL
turbid needle
If it does not specify damage, it's universal.
sacred idol
I guess Artemis really is the support god
wind vale
oh i also forgot - general damage increase - billowing strength is still good
sacred idol
or the cast murderizer god
turbid needle
Pressure Points, Privileged Status, Pierced Butterfly.
sacred idol
So that's why people stick with the Butterfly.
I guess it's less insane with a conventional build than it is with... let's say, Hunting Blades, Low Tolerance, max Zeus stacking
wind vale
hunting blades still takes all damage increases for casts, so easier to buff
chrome viper
I've been wanting to post this here but apparently it goes over the character limit so I posted it in the subreddit instead. It's an idea I had a few months ago for the last weapon before it was announced
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/f3v28q/an_idea_i_had_for_the_last_weapon_a_long_time_ago/
Already asked if I could post that here, since it's related to the channel. I wanted to know what you guys think! 😇
solid cairn
I feel like last weapon could maybe be a fast nimble melee or big dumb slow melee
Or some sort of ranged weapon
mellow quest
I'm gonna be disappointed if it's another ranged weapon
tiny portal
Just got a perfect catch scuffer????
turbid needle
Perfect Catches only give you a chance to get the big catches.
tiny portal
Sigh... I think fishing might be my only real complaint with this game at this point in development lol
sacred folio
Also the scuffer is the 2nd best (or 2nd worst) fish reward in Styx. So um, not bad.
tiny portal
It's not really that. The window for a perfect catch is super small, and there is no differential audio cue between the "fake" bob and the catch bob, so it is extremely difficult to time correctly
So if you manage it... you should always get the better fish
solid cairn
What do you get for the chaos fish
sacred folio
See https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing for Chaos fish rewards.
I'm accepting the fact that even if I do everything perfectly I can still be trolled by RNG
elfin wagon
Another thing is there is a limit on fishing spot spawns
So if you had a spot in the last 10 rooms, you can't spawn a spot
turbid needle
Really?
elfin wagon
That's why there was a feedback that Asphodel and Elysium fishing spots felt rare
atomic mist
I go to chaos realm pretty much every chance I get and I've never seen a fishing spot there. Legit thought people were joking about it
turbid needle
I don't need 10 fish per run, but 5 chances would be nice.
tiny portal
Yea but I dont want all the other parts of that mod
elfin wagon
But u can check under the hood and customize by yourself
tiny portal
I just want more realistic perfect catch intervals
elfin wagon
Yeah, just tweak FishingData with Notepad
elfin wagon
I felt the main game was already very reflex twitch, and fishing can be unenjoyable for those who don't like that
tiny portal
It would be better if there was an audio cue since human reaction time is much faster to audio cues than visual
but .34 seconds or whatever the perfect catch interval is, is almost pure luck based on just visual cue
turbid needle
I believe there is a subtle audio cue, but I could be wrong.
turbid needle
Well then, it can only fake bob 3 times.
tiny portal
It's a small complaint but it would be nice if fishing wasn't quite as frustrating
turbid needle
No, I get you, it can seem punishing.
sacred idol
It's far too quick, i feel like
turbid needle
They patched it so it can only fake-out three times, so if that ever happens you can just mash as fast as possible at the next sign of movement.
runic jewel
I think it's pretty easy to get a hang of
once you know the max is 3
I feel like in tartarus is the only place they bite on the first bob
sacred idol
It's 'easy' if you have very good reflexes, is the thing.
runic jewel
Idk if i'd describe my reflexes as good
runic crown
Just wondering if there is an aquarium we can keep the fish since some of them do look very pretty
atomic mist
.34 should be reactable on sight, but the visual cue is kinda small and sometimes hard to see depending on the backround
Like I can get it if I focus. But it's not easy
sacred folio
Given there are always people with faster / slower reflexes, where should the developers draw the line?
elfin wagon
Does anyone else play Torchlight? I much prefer the fishing minigame.
sacred idol
Alternatively, add some kinda timing scaling option for accessibility.
elfin wagon
Maybe tag longer response time to God Mode
sacred idol
I don't like it being one all or nothing option
imo, accessibility options should be a selectable menu, like heat
mellow aurora
wait what is too hard?
sacred idol
Crosscode and Celeste are pretty top tier in that respect
tawdry horizon
Hey guys, the fishing gets a little bit to get used to, I couldn't get a fish at first and now I get them everytime, just practice 🙂
sacred idol
Fishing perfect catch timing
@tawdry horizon That's not always an answer that works for everyone.
runic jewel
I think there's at least a quarter to a half second worth of delay you can have in response to catching a fish
wind vale
tip for fishing - focus above the bobber and look for that flash - it only happens with the real one, not the fakes
mellow aurora
why are we discussing accessability for a fishing minigame? lmao
sacred idol
It's 0.34, apparently
which is very quick
@mellow aurora Because why the Hades not?
mellow aurora
wait how do i fish plz
tawdry horizon
@sacred idol Yeah I guess so especially if you have "physical" issues
mellow aurora
i wanna fish
runic jewel
That's a third of a second which is plenty slower than the eye can perceive
sacred idol
I can't tell if that's attempted mockery or legitimately not knowing how to access fishing
wind vale
to fish you need to buy the fishing rod for 1 diamond, then get lucky during a run
mellow aurora
i dont know how to fish
runic jewel
No one knows how to fish, it's just something that's done
stable oyster
First I’ve ever heard of fishing
tiny portal
Acting like it's plenty of time is kind of silly
It's doable, that doesn't make it easy, or reasonable
runic jewel
I mean timing fishing is cool, but maybe every so often it becomes like a puzzle kinda reel em in minigame with a big catch