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#h1-builds-and-combat
prime knoll
I use LB for reload and love it
cold oriole
mellow quest
i think spread fire is fine the way it is, it's a lot riskier to be using on forced overtime
because the rail attack never staggers
i wouldn't even say it's as good as flurry jab on the spear
vagrant marten
Charon's best friend
mellow quest
rocket at 100 is a little silly though
prime knoll
Too bad you can't pay Charon for future goods.
cold oriole
i didnt know
that it gave a title
when you finished w high wealth
so thats kinda cool
very nice little nod
mellow quest
there's a lot of really neat titles
cold oriole
I was getting 44 gold for breaking a pot :p
opal bay
Jeez. Are we entering the meme runs era?
vagrant marten
3 money chaos boons
opal bay
And Poseidon
mellow quest
but yeah walking onto the surface with 3100 gold should give you an end slide where "unfortunately, the vast riches Zagreus was carrying ended up with him being killed in a mugging"
mild crag
i reckon the spread fire rail should stagger
cold oriole
im pretty proud of this one lol
mild crag
would it be too stronk?
cold oriole
if they make rail spread stagger
mellow quest
yes because then it's practically 5x damage and stunlock
mild crag
you can stunlock with the spear already so i dont buy the stunlock argument uwu
vagrant marten
"His pockets were so heavy, the floor collapsed under his feet"
mellow quest
TBH I would not mind at all if spread fire turned the Rail into a Bastion callback
made it like the shotgun
cold oriole
what if spread only staggers if hit with all 5
mellow quest
you sorta already just get right against something to do that
sacred idol
@cold oriole How in the heck did you win with no health and only money
mellow quest
stagger on spread fire is just going to make spread fire busted
cold oriole
Guan-yu baby
sacred idol
I mean, a lot of attacks oneshot at 35 health.
cold oriole
yeah
vagrant marten
Money = bribing all enemies
mellow quest
just don't get hit 4Head
cold oriole
but other than that i just kited everything
mild crag
nah i dont think its busted
cold oriole
i think he hit me with a total of 2 attacks
mild crag
explosive shot was busted with stagger
because of the range
but this is basically a melee weapon
sacred idol
er, and you survived those attacks?
cold oriole
i died to one spin attack
sacred idol
oh
mellow quest
you can see a DD was triggered
cold oriole
as you can see i lost death defiance
sacred idol
nice grofit, though
cold oriole
the other one was a single tick of his death beam
mild crag
growth and profit
mellow quest
but yeah not even an upgraded guan yu aspect
that's pretty impressive even at 4 heat
cold oriole
i feel like itd be a waste to upgrade guan-yu
until i get to higher heat
its already pretty OP
esp if youre lucky on the hammers
sacred idol
man, I can't even get through a normal GY run without dying more than that
cold oriole
lol
i guess the combos are just intuitive for me
i play glass cannon champs in league of legends so
im kinda used to it
mellow quest
tiny sidenote: is anyone else bothered by how Thanatos's portrait has him carrying a sword but his model in game only has the scythe instead of both
prime knoll
Living on the edge like that is pretty satisfying
cold oriole
yeah
sacred idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76pK9G8CVP0 llama this run:
cold oriole
at some point i realized "oh im low enough hp that Hades can oneshot me"
vagrant marten
I hadn't realized that @mellow quest, now I'll be annoyed :c
cold oriole
and i kinda just decided to run with it XD
mellow quest
usually you can't see the sword, the dialogue covers it
you can get a glimpse of it when he finishes talking
i definitely like the practicality of having a sidesword while using a scythe
vagrant marten
Yeah, just a scythe is not very versatile
prime knoll
Hmm. I hope there's a scythe to use eventually.
cold oriole
thatd be the last slot if they did :0
id love to see a magic casting weapon personally
opal bay
Scythe Whip combo
prime knoll
That could be cool. I like Hera's aspect the most of all weapons and aspects.
mellow quest
wtb house contractor upgrade that cheers up the sad Cerberus head, if only for a moment
opal bay
Whip could be used to pull enemies, stun them or even focus on one to hit.
And Scythe is like aoe medium ranged melee.
prime knoll
Get fully loaded and a chaos cast boon or two. Load eight casts into a shot...
mellow quest
a scythe could be really interesting if it has sweet spot mechanics
cold oriole
oh thatd be cool
mellow quest
i.e. you have to hit with the blade
sacred idol
who?
prime knoll
Yeah, it seems like it would have to have those sweet spot sweeping attacks
cold oriole
hes a leauge of legs character
mellow quest
large, punishing sweeps on your attack and then single target heavy hits on the special maybe
cold oriole
that has big sweepy attacks with sweet spots
prime knoll
And probably a special that pulls
mellow quest
and of course there's room for Thanatos to have a bit of a superiority complex regarding his scythe
prime knoll
That is true, though he's got a bendy whip sword
mellow quest
i also think very quick daggers could be great in this game
prime knoll
He has a pretty good play pattern for a scythe gameplay outline
mellow quest
i could also see buckler + shortsword as a single weapon but there's already the sword and shield so no hopes on that one
prime knoll
I want a scythe now if for no other reason than to make Thanatos even more indignant during those contests.
sacred idol
league of legs lmao
mellow quest
ugh the hardest extreme measures fight for me is when it's tisiphone + alecto
their outfit looks the same to colorblind me
end up attacking the one that's not actually the boss sometimes
sacred idol
Could suggest in feedback to have colorblind mode
mellow quest
i thought that was something already being worked on
mellow quest
i dont actually know though
I do remember someone going "colorblind support isn't a quality of life feature"
mellow quest
someone on this discord at some point
mild crag
i found it but it looks like a misunderstanding
mild crag
the person who said it wasn't QoL I think was trying to suggest it wasn't a QoL feature but more or less required instead
so it was a semantic argument
i dont think anybody is against colourblind mode i should hope
mellow quest
butterflies in Elysium and the furies fight are the worst about it
the hydra sorta doesn't really matter truth be told. it would if the order of killing heads mattered
but i just smorc them all
mild crag
the order of heads doesn't matter but it's good to see which one is gonna snipe you across the map
they need to be more visually distinct than just colour, colourblindness aside
for the longest time i didn't even realise they were colour coded
sour heath
oh I remember last night someone mentioning Mistral Dash being fairly subpar. I found it to be a nice interim for things like Guan Yu
hexed fable
On the subject of Hydra's those red wave spitting one's need to stop hiding and fight me 1v1 like real hydra's
sour heath
Esp against Megagorg/Sky Apartment
mellow quest
it'd be better without the superfluous cloud effect
because it's not like the cloud applies chill to enemies or does damage
the only important part of it is the snowball
sour heath
True, I think it was decided more to be on theme i.e. frost vs snow
mellow quest
ugh why am i so bad, I've lost 2 DD to the sawblade traps in the temple because of cursed slash
sour heath
It's so seductive
I had a perfeectliy fin erun going and then boom daddy hammer p ops up and i see it and dont't even think twice
mellow quest
i'm getting 3 hp per hit back on 90 max hp
turbid needle
If the 70% drop didn't affect HP gains as harshly I might try it, but I picked it up once and then immediately died.
mellow quest
because of the demeter restoration boon
and i have the athena legendary
seemed like the perfect scenario to use it
sour heath
Yeah
turbid needle
Sure Footing. 👍
sacred idol
Heightened Security OP
sour heath
Esp in Elysium
sacred idol
Doesn't Sure Footing stack additively?
mellow quest
i thought it didn't affect the trap damage against enemies
sacred idol
Like, is it 100% damage or 325%?
turbid needle
Sure Footing cuts base damage, which is then buffed by HS.
sour heath
ah
turbid needle
When HS had two levels of Heat, Epic SF would reduce damage to just slightly under base levels.
sacred idol
Oh. So it's good, and it negates highsec at 75%?
Good.
25% of 100% times 4 should be equal to base, right
sour heath
You can also negate HS with ... positioning 😉
turbid needle
It's increasing damage by the given percent.
Heightened Security is 5x trap damage.
sacred idol
Oh. Wait. So it's actually 500%?
whew
okay, so 125%
that's still... actually manageable
not swiggity science you're out of death defiance
...that was bad
sour heath
Just remember traps are toys SG added for us to trick these hell goons into
Especially the potato heads
mellow quest
i lost. i hate that Hades can summon both the megagorgon and the Elysium shield enemies
as well as giant butterfly ball
sour heath
It' sokay
I messed up in Elysium and dropped 3 DD's after a patroclus
Walked into A & T's w/ like 60% hp and no DD
Walked out 40s later with 40% hp and no DD
Then died to hades in about a minute
sacred idol
I started a run and lost two DD to louts with Guan Yu...
sour heath
I feel like if ie ver got a run w/ the 2 pandatory daddy boons for GY and Explosive Launcher
That'd be such a sick run
sacred idol
what boons?
sour heath
Quick Spin at a minimum
but also Massive Spin or w/e it's called is pretty close to mandatory I think
sacred idol
oh I mean you can't have 3
gaunt hinge
quick spin + massive spin = game over for daddy ||Hades|| if you're using guan yu
sacred idol
truly, daddy hammers
mellow quest
im also getting really sick of only getting 1 boon in all of Tartarus and then having to purge it
hexed fable
I must be just bad with that aspect cause it never feels good running guan yu
without those two specific upgrades at least
even then it still feels
eh?
gaunt hinge
Every time I played with it I got quick spin and massive spin, went through everything ezpz
sacred idol
guan yeet
sacred idol
I did a run without either
or with only massive.
just running throw
charged skewer gang
hexed fable
Yeah that's my only issue with the aspect is those upgrades are basically mandatory
gaunt hinge
I mean, if you're trying to do a spin build
sacred idol
massive is nowhere near mandatory
quick is because spear charging sucks
imo quick spin should be baked in.
it would improve every spear aspect
gaunt hinge
same
sacred idol
and salvage hades from the bin of being worse than GY
gaunt hinge
I do NOT want to know the pain of fighting daddy without quick spin
sacred idol
yeeting the spear does fine.
just throw pokey sticks at his face until you win
even a bad like me can do that
hexed fable
I will say that the aspect of hera has been doing work
mellow quest
yeah the spear charge is just a tad too slow, it only feels good with the quick spin upgrade
-5 hp every time you attack on nemesis aspect sword
big thonk on that Chaos
sacred idol
F
Shield of Chaos, ironically, gets rekt the hardest by those
Because it requires attack and special
sacred idol
Right
@ SGG petition to make Theseus say "Stop hitting yourself!" to mock Zag if he does it in that fight
Theseus is the only one douchey enough to do it, in a level that can get chaos before the boss
mellow quest
ah yes, flamewheels and numbskulls erebus with blue shields on
red onion time
armored numbskulls at that because who even gets hit by them right
mellow quest
armored numbskulls with the sword are so miserable in erebus
dim rapids
have you tried super elite numbskulls
or super elite spreaders in erebus
heck even super elite gorgonhead
mellow quest
you ever get those runs that are just full of all the bad boons and worst encounter types for your weapon that you just walk into the lava in asphodel
sour heath
And have to sit through 3 DD's before you can restart
mellow quest
i'd rather not have to thunder dash everything to death, thanks Zeus
ares you aren't helping with replacing that with blade rift dash
there are some huge chambers in asphodel and having to sit and wait on the armored spreaders not to float over the lava pits is 
sacred idol
I mean, you can Give Up, right...
Unless you got a lot of loot with your pathetically useless loadout
mellow quest
that won't change the seed though
mild crag
felis is the devil on your shoulder
sacred idol
Nother weapon? Different trinket?
mild crag
"give up... GIVE UP!"
sour heath
After you kill the mobs in the first part, you don't have the option to give up idt
mild crag
cat devil uwu
mellow quest
so far my build is blade dash.. and that's it
sacred idol
You can give up any time after: fishing, buying shop crap, I think accepting boon before leaving a room
mellow quest
and im about to walk into the hydra fight
sacred idol
taking damage or somethingish
mild crag
only blade dash in asphodel
sacred idol
rofl though
sacred idol
that's a big oofer
mellow quest
i don't need much luck to just go walk into the lava
hexed fable
You ever make a build end up in elysium and think to yourself "Theseus is gonna laugh at me"
sacred idol
Theseus is gonna T-pose on you
mellow quest
yes, there was one run where my only damage was crystal beam
mild crag
laugh at me takin the boat ride home
hexed fable
That ting of the shield is triggering
sacred idol
Crystal Meme
hexed fable
I am sure just hearing in the real life would give me ptsd flashbacks
mild crag
ting tik tin tig tink tik ting
mellow quest
fr though why is the zeus special slot so underpowered? pretty much the only thing it's good on is chiron bow
but chiron bow is chiron bow
mild crag
zeus shield has good synergy
mellow quest
and things like the artemis special are still better
hexed fable
adamant rail and zeus stuff make me feel like have static shivv from league
mellow quest
there is a huge gap in power between how good having the zeus attack is and having the zeus special is
mild crag
and zeus arcing on every rail shot isnt too powerful either
tbf zeus special is aoe
maybe that's why
hexed fable
a boon that when you dash you build up static charge and increase the damage of your thunder
sour heath
Also correct me if I'm wrong but Zeus Special doesn't offer scaling for your ability like Artermis or Demeter
mellow quest
it's not really even the lightning damage on the zues stuff that's strong, it's applying jolted
and yes it does not have scaling
hexed fable
Jolted and rupture make for some killer deeps
mellow quest
anyway im gonna MAN UP and kill the hydra with ONLY BLADE DASH
maybe dad will finally be proud of me
manic ermine
Zeus special just doesnt work on too many weapons
Even spear throw sometimes doesnt get the second bolt on return
Zeus attack has another problem where it wants to be useful for clusters of enemies, but doesnt scale well with aoe attacks as you can only get one bolt
mellow quest
i died to the last split with all the additional heads, i got 3 of the ones that constantly spew out adds
but when i said blade rift only i was being literal
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/677466350054146048/20200213134336_1.jpg finally did my first successful 16 heat run.
that run was very messy in terms of boons and I barely made it through
mellow quest
no second status?
sour heath
oh just for anyone wondering
Everytime it adds a trait(boon), it calls a function called TraitUIResortRecent
which I assume is to blame for why it's always sorted differently but sometimes not
mellow quest
it seems to me the most recently added or affected boons go at the top of the second row
but then however they're pushed in the order afterwards is.. who even knows
sour heath
yeah admittedly I'm not too fluent in lua but it seems easy enough to read
mellow quest
like, if the rarity of a hermes boon gets upgraded, it'll be at the top of the second row again
even if it was off the list before
sour heath
hmm
Well for my purposes, I'd need them to be static
or at least predictable
oof
to cursed slash or to not cursed slash
stiill in Tart, already got +30 someodd health from a chaos buff
mellow quest
generally i dont think cursed slash is worth it
sour heath
IT was pperfect
mellow quest
the penalty is too high
sour heath
And then i dropped my controller and battery came out
and this keyboard was connected to laptop and couldn't pause
during fury 😦
oh hell yes
never caught this kind of fish b4
wow
150 gems
hexed kayak
Has it always been possible to dash during the bow special animation?
Because if not it seems like getting the faster special hermes boon allows you to do so
mild crag
Usually it isn't possible as far as I know
versed flame
Eh, small question... Is Artemis Deadly Strike Boon supposed to give such a small bonus on damage when you level it up?
I have it on level 4 and it "only" gives +65% as a Heroic... Am I just missing something obvious?
silver seal
if it also buffed base dmg by too much it wouldnt be balanced i guess
versed flame
I can see it, I really can.
The number just seems underwhelming.
dim rapids
the trick with artemis is you build other better multipliers like exposed and heart rend
instead of focusing all on artemis
versed flame
That and Chaos attack boons, I suppose.
dim rapids
if you get chaos, then yeah
manic ermine
Artermis %damage has bad scaling
dim rapids
i had a run with heart rend + exposed
- charged skewer on guan yu
where i was doing 4.6k crits
versed flame
Pffffh! Yeah okay, I can see that they need to consider that, but damn... biggest I've ever gotten was 1.2k crits xD
dim rapids
because there are many other synergies which give more bonuses
privileged status is 50%
boiling blood is 50%
exposed is usually 100%+
heart rend is 50%
mellow quest
The damage increase used to be higher but it was too strong in general
It still gets out of hand with the right setup
dim rapids
crits main synergy comes from other boons though
sacred idol
Someone did the math, by themselves, Artemis boons are kind of butts and need need to stack a lot of other stuff like Genesis suggests to even be viable.
Average DPS is just worse than Aphro by itself
sacred idol
no link, just here
dim rapids
was thinking more of a quote or something but yeah
turbid needle
Then you get to melt literally anything with a couple of those
which isn't all that impossible
Kinda like a risk/reward thing
dim rapids
for me i look at it this way
artemis - big boy crits by itself but provides no easy synergies/links, doesn't offer a debuff for privileged status (marked isn't really one)
sacred idol
more like 'pray you get enough poms for decent chance, and have the right three other gods, to make your crit special worth it on Chiron bow' for instance
dim rapids
when you get the good synergies like charged volley
sacred idol
also the lack of priv stat is already a passive demerit...
dim rapids
with heart rend
you can get 500 crit arrows on chiron volley (which was what i got)
but without charged volley i'd say it's not even worth it
sacred idol
charged kills your tap fire, right
sacred idol
not great and dependent on one hammer sucks
dim rapids
big boy crits
i got charged volley as first hammer and i took it
but yeah, it's still pretty dependent imo
turbid needle
Hm
sacred idol
imo it has slightly more downsides than upsides.
if you don't get all those +damage boosters, your overall dps sucks.
just not impressive and you need TWO other gods to give good easy statuses to make it work
so you'd need something like, say, aphro attack and mistral dash for the easiest ones?
or dio dash
that one's real nice
divine dash if you get exposed, but bleh, getting exposed
I feel like backstabs are really hard to use, the angle's rather narrow
turbid needle
Let’s be real Exposed is mainly for the Priviledged thing
For most weapons anyways
rancid shore
not really? that's a huge attack boost
sacred idol
but it's hard to pull off
rancid shore
the easiest privileged to do imo is aph cast + the chill aoe on cast
sacred idol
aph cast is vulnerable though, especially on bow
melee bow is a strat, but it kinda requires full commit
rancid shore
that's fair
i just really like how if you're in range for aph cast you're almost always in range for snow burst
less thinking for me to do
turbid needle
That’s something I have to play around with
Might make for an interesting sword build even
rancid shore
that'd be great on poseidon aspect, yeah
turbid needle
Hey a non-artemis cast build on poseidon sword, neat
rancid shore
yeah aph's good for that if you want to change it up
art's probably still better though, depending on how you play
mellow quest
Yeah snow burst aphrodite cast is cute
Instant priv status
Plus those gods have p good boons overall and strong duos with others
turbid needle
Because you free up the dash you can pick Athena dash 👀
mellow quest
Elite spreaders are honestly harder than the Elysium elite witches
Between the sheer walls of projectiles and them vibing over in the lava all the time
Sword is bad at ranged combat, turns out
sacred idol
Elysium ones - deflect back and they deadass just die
mellow quest
Yeah the chonky orb glob is a ton of damage
And the split afterwards is still considered friendly projectiles
turbid needle
Speaking of deflect, Athena strike on it’s own might make spin builds not a complete liability
For spear
mellow quest
The problem with spin builds isn't really the part after the spin or during the attack
It's getting to the part where you have a spin charged
rancid shore
I always play max FO and I never spin
except maybe with GY and I desperately need to heal?
mellow quest
Spin damage and zoning is really strong when jury summons enters the equation
Like, you can clear out a bunch of wretches or brimstones in one go in Tartarus
Clear out bloodless spam in Asphodel
Etc
turbid needle
Also pretty good for catching spawning enemies
Also most bosses will go towards you as you spin, making the spin a great deflect attack that only needs timing to work because of it’s large hitbox
Except for hydra, he is a jerk as far as positionning goes
It’s all just cute tho, it’s still better to block for a million years with the shield or melt everything in seconds with a busted synergy
serene pewter
Is there a resource or a general opinion for good builds for each weapon?
turbid needle
^ If it exists, it would be neat
fresh grove
I would guess it depends on the aspect, since it usually gives you some specific bonus that can be tied to particular gods and such
i like zagreus bow with crit for that reason
dim rapids
athena attack is usually a free win with quick spin
fresh grove
but really its made so that you can do whatever and make it fun and somewht viable
dim rapids
deflect anything in a huge aoe in front of you lmao
and if you time it right you deflect everything
untold quiver
Cluster + rocket bomb is also big fun on rail
dim rapids
migh tas well just use athena attack on rail
and then play point and click deflect simulator
chrome geyser
Does chiron special work with zeus? Like do you get 7 bolts?
oblique tusk
as opposed to what the text says
which is dumb
because it makes zeus special atrocious in every instance
dim rapids
i think it says "whenever you use your special"
basically means whenever you press your special button
oblique tusk
nope, it says "whenever you hit with your special"
dim rapids
it says hit?
chrome geyser
then it lies
dim rapids
i'm pretty sure it says whenever you use your special
chrome geyser
Your Special causes a lightning bolt to strike nearby foes.
oblique tusk
and then there's support fire from artemis, which says something like "whenever you hit with an attack, cast, or special"
and there's one that says "when you deal damage"
but again, triggers on use, not on damage dealt
chrome geyser
I'm just trying to play chiron bow; but I'm kinda stuck at 8 heat. I have been also getting garbage boons in general though with the bow.
chrome geyser
So trying to see what I can build for.
oblique tusk
every time i try to play chiron
dim rapids
chiron bow has quite a few good builds
oblique tusk
i get a big middle finger from the devs
dim rapids
aphro attack + dio special
turbid needle
Dio special chiron bow is nice. Demeter isn't bad either
oblique tusk
i pick a god's keepsake and then never get a non-forced boon
dim rapids
charged volley + aphro attack + artemis special
turbid needle
Aphro and Artemis for big damage are options too
dim rapids
extra volley + aphro special + charm
oblique tusk
and then hera *cast is absurdly glitchy
and they haven't fixed that yet
and probably never will
dim rapids
extra volley + demeter special + any other status curse + 10 chill stacks explosion
poseidon special + sea storm (not all arrows can trigger it, but it's still a crap ton of damage)
chrome geyser
I tried getting aphro attack + dio special
Dionysus. Would. Not. Give. The. Flourish. Boon.
5 times
dim rapids
at least chiron bow has way more builds than rail lol
dim rapids
i've literally built artemis special on rail
from 0 heat till 12
and i'm getting bored
chrome geyser
I'm leveling up hestia for a reload rail build.
dim rapids
chiron bow has so many flexible options to choose from
chrome geyser
I usually get aphrodite or demeter for privilige on rail special
sacred idol
Rail has a lot of good builds...
dim rapids
uhh
chrome geyser
Artemis is nice when it procs
dim rapids
other than big boy crits on rail
sacred idol
@oblique tusk Hera special glitches? What?
turbid needle
Hestia sniper build, Ares special based stuff, and ... maybe Zeus attack ?
dim rapids
yeah that's big boy crits
sacred idol
I've had a fair amount of success with any status curse on the special, honestly
turbid needle
Otherwise there isn't much
dim rapids
artemis attack + hestia or artemis special and pray you get cluster/triple/rockets
dim rapids
i've literally only done these 2 builds lol
sacred idol
I just roll with Demeter as often as I can, tbh
dim rapids
zeus isn't really effective on bosses
turbid needle
Like, anything involving the special will feel samey no matter the boon
prime knoll
Why do people like the Chiron bow? I find the default special to be better, though I like to dash into point blank range to hit one target with all of them.
chrome geyser
btw i just figured out what Dire Misfortune and Merciful End really does. Also they pair great.
dim rapids
because at high heat levels playing safe is the better option
turbid needle
Chiron starting at level 3 is strong for the mark
dim rapids
if you try running face first into satyrs/spears/rats at high heat or 40% overtime
you're gonna eat crap
dim rapids
at 40% overtime/high heat
turbid needle
Stacking Chill/Hangover, dealing massive damage
dim rapids
they're more than likely to hit you the instant you run/dash into them
unless you have athena dash
oblique tusk
hera cast, my b, not special lol
turbid needle
Like on elite satyrs, dashing might not do that much because of the extra darts
dim rapids
which is why sword feels so awful to play at high heat
chrome geyser
Shout out to poseidon dash obliterating everything in styx if you think you will have issues
dim rapids
first level you can still get chunked by some mobs
turbid needle
But it's not THAT bad either
dim rapids
usually rats/spears/shields
turbid needle
And bosses
sacred idol
High Heat makes Aphro dash also feel kind of awful, doesn't it?
turbid needle
Aphro dash is great for the weak status
chrome geyser
I have been getting poseidon dash on the range builds more often. Damage is pretty good (70 with rarity/poms) with high AoE, and a couple boons and a dash-attack means you can just use dash to clear rooms.
dim rapids
everything is solved by athena dash
poseidon dash, you still risk a 50/50 from what i've seen
because when you knock them back they just leap right back at you
chrome geyser
I usually rather fill all my other slots, and force athena on dash for shield/sword/spear. Athena dash is insanely good.
Poseidon is more damage though. Kills the small rats instantly. If you turn on the armor; the other boons help.
Also ran into exclusive access on floor 5 the other day; and since then poseidon has become my new bro.
dim rapids
athena dash can also kill rats
chrome geyser
- I mean if you turn on 2 damage instance blocked on foes with heat; poseidon's legendary and knockback upgrade boons help with breaking them. Also so many walls in styx.
dim rapids
yeah just dash through them multiple times lol
sacred idol
@turbid needle Applying it without dying, though...
chrome geyser
Athena is godly. I found with bow, when i am fighting in general a lot of enemies; poseidon dash is so helpful.
BTW; I find that poison does not deal major damage. The immediate reaction i think comes from the poisoned overlay effect that looks worse than it does damage.
Giant vermin in general cause me to lose more health than satyrs; because their attack stings.
sacred idol
Yeah, and with spearpoint, intentionally getting poisoned can actually be an iframe...
Probably not viable on high heat, but it's a fun meme occurrence for low heats
Get poisoned and then facetank a massive hit with the shield: Exactly according to keikaku
chrome geyser
trying to do that I know i'm just going to lose all the health i have
prime knoll
Doesn't their poison javelin do base damage?
chrome geyser
like i get athena dash all the time but never managed to one shot hades by dodging into his swing like all the uploaded videos. My dodge-timing is bad.
sacred idol
Oh no, doing it intentionally is a bit silly, the last part was a joke. It's just a funny thing to have accidentally happen, take one small dart hit and accidentally avoid the fat clusterbomb.
Oneshot Hades? Wha?
chrome geyser
It does 1d per poison tick. It ticks very fast; but still is pretty low. Most I got was 15 damage I believe, and that was because I wanted to kill the satyr before heading to the fountain.
dim rapids
i'm pretty sure poison darts don't do any damage
they just start the poison tick instantly?
chrome geyser
every other day, someone posts a video on reddit of them dealing like absurd damage to hades by reflecting his attack
it seems like a bug because they pretty much insta-defeat final-boss.
dim rapids
you mean with charm?
chrome geyser
people have been saying that charm does some weird interaction with deflect damage (do we still know how much deflect damage is dealt?) but i have seen videos where there is no charm too.
I haven't gotten it myself but alas.
dim rapids
might be just privileged status + boiling blood + the more deflect damage boon
if those stack up you can deal quite a lot of damage
also, final boss spoilers?
chrome geyser
I also am playing on linux on proton so im sure i have more bugs than other people
wait, this is a spoilerless channel? I thought spoilers are ok here.
Spoiler warning: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/f2xbyr/turns_out_the_best_tool_against_the_big_guy_is/ this is such a video but it has charm
turbid needle
I think #h1-discussion prohibits spoilers like the fina boss yeah
chrome geyser
that's why i dont post there lol. How about this?
dim rapids
not sure but still, i think it's better to just remove it
or just change it to 'final boss'
i've done quite a lot of damage with deflect, but it's with all the bonus multipliers
prime knoll
Now I feel compelled to run overtime to see how I fare.
chrome geyser
@prime knoll , or mr dog, forced overtime for me means i either take insane damage in elysium or run out of the timer there. Everywhere else I can go fast but elysium has very tanky and annoying pattern mobs.
9 minutes is perfectly doable though.
prime knoll
Wait, I thought overtime was the enemy speed buff
I doubt I'll ever be interested in a time limit. It feels the most arbitrary of all the pacts
And gamey
sacred folio
Try it for yourself maybe? First level of Tight Deadline is pretty much free heat levels.
You might want to fulfil the Harsh Conditions prophecy anyway just to experience all the pact rules
prime knoll
Good point
prime knoll
Your build reminds me of something I'd like to ask.
Of the various damage mitigating boons, it seems like Dio's is just strictly worse than Athena's. Is it mainly for getting low-health bonuses?
naive tusk
I’d say so. Dionysus’ mitigation only triggers when your hp is at a threshold
And his After Party boon only heals you when you are really low on hp
prime knoll
Aye, and it is a smaller reduction per rarity/level iirc
prime knoll
Yeah, her stipulation is "nearby foes" which is usually the case anyway
High tolerance is solid, though
Does After Party interact with Demeter's healing boost? I'd expect it to since lasting consequences reduces its effect.
stable oyster
Honestly I thing best mitigation is probably Athena revenge
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/677571518255071242/20200213204443_1.jpg I really forgot I don't use spear much, time to start using it more.
manic ermine
Demeter's boon doesn't improve after party, nor Hermes quick recovery
sacred idol
@manic ermine That sounds like a bug/oversight, feedback and/or F10 it?
manic ermine
I think its fine like that, QR is already very strong at 40%, and if you are lucky enough to get both boons heroic you would be getting up to 100% recovery on dash
prime knoll
It would be +38% of the healing effect, so the healing on a dash would be 138% of 50% -> ~69% of damage taken.
Rather than +38% of the damage taken (38 + 50 = 88%)
sacred idol
I mean, it's not too strong below 40%
naive tusk
@sacred idol After Party is from Dionysus 
Only if you want to edit the feedback. If not, that’s cool too 😅
hard haven
hi guys im new here i just started playing. is there any way to heal?
topaz pumice
Buying food from Charon
A few boons help. Nyxs mirror has an upgrade that heals you a tiny amount moving rooms
bright plank
So I just had Hades deal 137 damage to me in one hit which doesn't....SEEM right but maybe theres something I'm missing?
Had Holy Shield so Im fairly sure it wasn't just multiple hits at once somehow blowing me up
hard haven
is there items you can pick up that heal as well? and what are boons?
bright plank
is there some instant-kill he has in phase 2 that just never hit me before
topaz pumice
I think his second stage has a hit like that
hard haven
spoiler alert
topaz pumice
It's just super strong.
chrome geyser
@stable oyster really? I really dislike her revenge; why do i need a miniscule invulnerability when I get hit; i likely won't take another hit immediately. If I need it for someone, I have broken spearpoint.
bright plank
huh
must've just never noticed that attack before
topaz pumice
Sorry Justin. But yeah, boons are the things you get from the gods
stable oyster
Many of the final bosses attacks are multi hits
Same with poison
I’m generally it does more for me then the flat reduction
hard haven
ooh ok thanks man
bright plank
I don't dislike Athena's revenge just because of how many tick/lasers there are later in the game
gives a little bit of breathing room at least
stable oyster
I also don’t run spearpoint so
sacred idol
@naive tusk remind me not to post feedback at 3 AM without double checking...
hard haven
I'm at the beginning of the game i have 4 keys which weapon would you guys recommend?
stable oyster
I like shield
topaz pumice
I like the gun
chrome geyser
@bright plank if you hit with one of the projectile attacks; the boss does extra damage. It's like when you have your cast in enemies. Maybe that?
topaz pumice
Oh it's been a while since I've played from the beginning. Is the gun not there at the start?
stable oyster
You need all other weapons unlocked before you can get gun
sacred idol
You will have them all before long, so just have fun experimenting.
bright plank
it was actually the first time I had taken damage that fight so I didn't have a skull in me afaik (since iirc those give a bit of damage)
hard haven
not that i seen zero theres only 4 options that i can see
chrome geyser
@hard haven rail is my favourite weapon. Make sure you unlock the others and have fun blasting.
bright plank
nope, low (3 heat) run with no damage buffs
topaz pumice
I've been hit by it several times
sacred idol
His deadliest as far as I know are the spin and the cloak stab
bright plank
just the up'd first two bosses
sacred idol
Doesn't sound right to be doing 100+
hard haven
do any of you guys know when hades will get its full release?
topaz pumice
It's a second stage attack. I forget exactly but I think it's his one spin attack
Not his multiattack
sacred idol
When it's done™️
chrome geyser
Q3 or Q4 this year
hard haven
lmao
naive tusk
🥰
bright plank
hmm
i DID have the auto-vengeance duo boon
bright plank
is that able to disable your own holy shield?
and maybe i got rapid-hit right after that
hard haven
it already feels like a full release i cant believe this is early access
topaz pumice
No, it's a one hit attack. I've seen that big number pop up before
bright plank
whew
glad it never hit me on a close run before haha
topaz pumice
Right
bright plank
i went from 'neat i might get a no-hit hades fight' to deaths defiance very quickly lol
topaz pumice
If I'm not paying attention/too many screen effects I don't dodge it quite right
chrome geyser
@hard haven yeah. I'm glad they are taking their time. Then again this game is the biggest they came up with I think.
topaz pumice
Watching out for his spin tell is very important in stage 2 if you don't have really high DPS
hard haven
supergiant games are awresome developers tho you can tell they take their time to get their games perfect
bright plank
i usually fight like a coward but i was goofing off with the many-shield shield so i was right up in his face
so i probably had just never noticed it before lol
topaz pumice
I'm hyper aggressive when fighting usually
bright plank
(I love the cast-bow so much)
hard haven
this might be up there with the binding of isaac for my favorite roguelike game
topaz pumice
Ah
chrome geyser
my only complaint with SGG was that they don't have much replayability in their games and mechanically the games become easy to exploit. But with Hades they are focusing on excatly that so I really like it.
bright plank
(I'm at like...Heat 16 with it and heat 5 with everything else)
topaz pumice
See I actually dislike the bow the most lol
bright plank
i just like oneshotting things mostly
with my most degenerate boon combo i was able to knock hades straight to his invulns with one shot lol
topaz pumice
I feel like I can never achieve that very well with the bow
chrome geyser
I played a lot of BoI; but my opinion now is that the game is not good; it's just addictive. Still going to get the final expansion that will come out since the antibirth team is also working with them.
sacred idol
Lmao what in the hell did you use
hard haven
@chrome geyser ya this one feels like it will have alot of replayability
topaz pumice
Like sure in Tartarus I can do it but after that heck no
sacred idol
@chrome geyser antibirth?
bright plank
it was either the athena cast or the aphrodite cast
and a bunch of cast ups
and the athena doublecast
erm
chrome geyser
antibirth is a BoI mod. Which was amazing
topaz pumice
Artimus
chrome geyser
bright plank
artimes or aphrodite cast*
topaz pumice
Honestly my favorite is the gun on hit build
chrome geyser
made the game fun again after playing for a few years and the disappointment that was afterbirth+
topaz pumice
Support Fire from Artimus and Chain Lightning from Zeus are easy cheese
hard haven
and isaac is a good game in my opinion but it lacks in story i just wish the co-op was a bit deeper
bright plank
Using the Hera bow and having 7 blood casts is hilarious
you just see 14 shotgun blasts when the arrow hits
sacred idol
Ayy lmao. Nuclear arrow
bright plank
with artimes doubler
topaz pumice
Lol
chrome geyser
isaac started out promising but a fun run in isaac depends on about 20/200 items in the game; and there is a whole lot that does absolutely nothing.
topaz pumice
I'm also fond of Nova spamming crits for the styigian blade
bright plank
i have spent more time than i should admit playing BoI
ive probably got....1200 hours total in isaac across its games
lol
topaz pumice
dang son
bright plank
rougelites are my favorite*
chrome geyser
And they keep adding items that absolutely do nothing. I get that not every item (or god) has to be super powerful. But they should still do something.
bright plank
sorry cursebot
chrome geyser
I have similar hours logged in our BOI
I love that Hades is going to be my new roguelike.
topaz pumice
So I'm new to the discord, have there been any teasers for the final weapon unlock?
chrome geyser
And technically; variation wise it's not as rich as other rogue's. But it still feels really awesome.
topaz pumice
Hades is very good
chrome geyser
Even when I'm having a crappy run with bad boons i'm sort of having fun. I only gave up on 2 hopeless runs / 70 so far.
bright plank
im at about 55 hours of hades, and for the style of game that it is im p happy with that
topaz pumice
I've also got a ton of hours clocked in Dead Cells
chrome geyser
And Hades is just getting better. I'm excited about a new weapon.
@topaz pumice there is a roadmap on the game screen you can check.
topaz pumice
Not just that but new FORMS for all the weapons too
chrome geyser
They haven't teased anything though
topaz pumice
The new spear makes for very interesting runs
chrome geyser
If I had to make a guess; I think they won't put out a new aspect along with the new weapon. So that we get to play with the new weapon first; and they can tune it with the feedback.
topaz pumice
I mean
chrome geyser
But I already have lots of theories about what the new aspects could be
topaz pumice
None of the other weapons have new forms. Though I'm really hoping for all the weapons it's new historical figures
What's your theory for a new aspect?
I love theorycrafting
chrome geyser
This is all theorycrafting; but there are obscure turkic nomads that would use wooden swords for battle; like clubs. I would like to see my obscure mythology brought mainstream a bit.
topaz pumice
I see you are still typing, but I feel like they wouldn't make a new aspect that obscure
chrome geyser
Sword can get a super high speed flurry attack from japanese mythology/history or a european broadsword after a legend. Like durandal or excalibur.
hard haven
im trying to find out what the symbols on the door mean? is there a way to see what each symbol buffs or does for your character?
dusky steeple
what casts synergise well with hestia?
I'm thinking, counterintuitively, dionysus might be great
chrome geyser
I'm sure shield is going to get a mezapotamian aspect. The design seems perfect for some mayan calendar design.
topaz pumice
@hard haven It's just what the room reward is for clearing it
Part of the fun is figuring out what each symbol means.
bright plank
the hestia gun?
chrome geyser
I like artemis.
bright plank
the rest should be avoided so you can get one of those three
topaz pumice
I feel like Excalibur is the obvious choice for the blade
bright plank
with the hera bow it'll drop the artemis cast right on whatever you hit IIRC
topaz pumice
Maybe too obvious though?
chrome geyser
@dusky steeple the only one that is meh on hera is the crystal cast; and that can be mitigated with the artemis duo boon which you will very likely get since you want artemis for all the cast boons (with hera at least)
bright plank
yea crystals p bad haha
blade rift is awkward too
because it tends to just barely clip them
topaz pumice
I'm trying to think of some famous blades from history. Or famous blade wielders
bright plank
zeus is just ok
chrome geyser
anonyman; what happens is the cast is launched in the direction of the arrow when it terminates. If it hits the enemy, it's like casting right up on the enemies face.
bright plank
but i almost always hold out for one of dio/arte/aphro
chrome geyser
If 2 shots kill before the third for example, your two blood stones drop, and the third still seeks another enemy (or gets yeeted into lava)
dusky steeple
@chrome geyser aren't you basically saying it's always artemis for the cast?
I guess the seeking is the dealbreaker
bright plank
artemis you always want to get double-casts
dusky steeple
tbf the last run I did it I got the double cast boon AND the exit wounds boon
bright plank
but the cast itself can be dio or aphro
chrome geyser
artemis cast boons don't need artemis cast as prequisite; they just need artemis on something.
bright plank
also if you can manage it, the chaos cast damage boon is sooo big
it gets to like 80+%?
at epic iirc
chrome geyser
Put it on dash/attack/call is best
dusky steeple
hmm first boon is a hammer
would chain shot carry cast damage between enemies?
if so that seems super OP
chrome geyser
I think I'm going to give aphrodite cast a try on hera bow.
bright plank
think the cast will trigger on the first hit for most of them
chrome geyser
does not work
dusky steeple
which also seems super OP
chrome geyser
tried before
only one carries the cast.
Your arrow just shuttles the cast and drops it on the first enemy.
Your casts are not affected by any damage ups.
dusky steeple
hm interesting. I just picked up aphrodite cast
as it dropped in first room heat room
dusky steeple
fun with artemis cast
ok with athena
limits your cast choices to ones that lodge (so basically theirs?)
topaz pumice
I mean, it does boost cast damage as well
chrome geyser
Poseidon aspect bonus cast damage is amazing. Even with casts that don't lodge.
topaz pumice
So not exclusively that
Yeah what silve rsaid
But it does feel week compared to Nemesis
naive tusk
Poseidon Aspect is the most fun Aspect for me 😄
chrome geyser
I recently lost a run with artemis cast and exit wounds; cause I did some very poor plays and lost 2 DD to our bois from athens.
But incredibly fun.
Synergises mostly with artemis; fully loaded, dual cast, exit wounds makes your casts amazing.
topaz pumice
I think machine gunning with casts would be good with the right Hermes boons
But you can't rely on getting Hermes legendary boon
chrome geyser
Flurry cast? That is one of the best hermes boons if you ask me. Always pick it up when offered; sometimes over +3 dash.
chrome geyser
It's not a legendery hermes boon though. It's a level 1.
topaz pumice
Oh yeah no I know the flurry isn't legendary
chrome geyser
Autopickup I don't find it too vital; hera bow needs it much more.
topaz pumice
I guess if you are doing Poseiden you don't need it either. Melee range and all that.
naive tusk
Hermes Legendary on Hera Bow 👌🏼
chrome geyser
Since you want to get close to special anyway; might as well pick up the stones.
topaz pumice
Right
I'm a big fan of Hermes dash recovery boon
Mostly because I dash WAY TOO MUCH
naive tusk
Chaos your best buddy for casts too
chrome geyser
Also artemis pressure points low key synergize so well with cast builds.
topaz pumice
I'm trying to decide what kind of run I want to do right now
I'm thinking Nemesis blade
Nice and simple one
naive tusk
With Artemis Attack boon? 😮
topaz pumice
With Nemesis?
naive tusk
- Heart Rend ❤️ 💚
chrome geyser
I force zeus if my first hammer was the quick attack one.
topaz pumice
Last time I played Nemesis I took the hammer that gives you double special blast but reduced range
Almost lost me the run
dusky steeple
wow
topaz pumice
Not a good hammer
dusky steeple
OK so... hera bow, aphrodite cast lvl3, chaos epic cast boon, and aphrodite rare attack boost
chrome geyser
I like zeus demeter for easy privilage with their duo boon. Also like a full blade rift build with nemesis (on dash, cast and call)
topaz pumice
lol wut
chrome geyser
that is a lot of damage!
dusky steeple
oh and the +300% hammer for bow
sacred idol
@chrome geyser qpop sawed this boat in half
topaz pumice
You ever think about how Hades doesn't have a beard? Just a magnificent mustache?
I do, a lot
chrome geyser
lol
@topaz pumice first time i saw him i was captivated
and I saw the symbol of the underworld in the moustache, and I fell in love with the game.
(also I think hades is just a hurt man that just wants his son to want to spend time with him; but is hurt that he just wants to leave him like his mother did and hence putting a mean face; and is actually a super nice, responsible and dedicated dad)
serene pewter
What’s the max level of heat?
sacred idol
Something like 49 but it's not possible
I think
32 is usually as high as anyone goes.
serene pewter
Why is it not possible?
naive tusk
It’s too hard to finish the chambers in such a tight deadline with many drawbacks
serene pewter
Makes sense
Do you think that will get nerfed, or will it remain like the ultimate challenge?
naive tusk
I’ve no idea
abstract pilot
is max heat, except no tight deadline possible?
sacred idol
Absolute nightmare but it is theoretically possible
naive tusk
I will try that once I complete everything lol
Wonder which weapon aspect would be the ideal
chrome geyser
people say shield with chaos aspect is the best weapon
chrome geyser
@naive tusk I'm the same way; but shield provides complete damage block which other weapons dont have.
naive tusk
That’s true
naive tusk
Use it point blank lol
topaz pumice
Man
wind vale
and with dash attacks(or hermes)
dusky steeple
need hermes +attack speed
balmy brook
max chaos shield with ares special absolutely melts rooms at high heat
abstract pilot
hot take: i hate every weapon
not really, but ever since i changed to controller i feel like a slug
topaz pumice
Real quick
Does Deathless Stand give you an extra defy death
If you currently have full
wind vale
then no
it replenishes now - meaning cant go over the max with it
(shop, athena and patrocles do that, chaos legendary boon and skellys trinket can still give over the max)
also - i have to say i feel really silly now that i never tried using ice wine as a manual cast
i only used it with heras bow since i basically only pick dios cast up when im using that and there it seems like a drawback using it for a nice damage boost
topaz pumice
haha I've just taken cursed slash with big chop. Lets see how that goes for me lol
runic jewel
cursed and chop kinda don't match up well
Cursed + Flurry is pretty dope
The hitbox for chop is so weird as much as i want to like it
wind vale
they did at the very beginning tho when it restored a % damage
runic jewel
yeah
wind vale
was so amazing
topaz pumice
Hmmm
So, it doesn't count dash attacks for healing
So that isn't super great
But also big chop does basically guarantee a stun so
I'll let you know. Going well so far
chrome geyser
@wind vale ice wine is amazing; here is my best run so far; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1995344351
i love it when it's three casts and the whole styx room is already cleared.
trail timber
Hol up
wind vale
yea i know its great - just with heras bow its kinda a drawback yo the normal cast
also you just got no luck there - no dio legendary :S
chrome geyser
oh yeah; for some reason with hera bow it just creates a delay before it deploys right?
wind vale
exactly
chrome geyser
room 5 exclusive access is GG this is why little nephew likes uncle.
topaz pumice
Died at Hades. Big Cursed Chop not the best combo lol
I straight up could have just used the health
chrome viper
when you dodge a projectile with Hermes boons, does it go through or does it disappear?
wind vale
neer really looked at it but id guess it disappears
topaz pumice
I had a run early that was with the gun that was great. I had gotten the rocket special + the hammer that lets you fire 3 times in a row
Along with Artemis special crits. It was silly
odd quarry
Late but Sytx rooms get absolutely wrecked by Poseidon’s high tier boons as well; Flood Shot (exploding knockback cast) + Typhoon’s Fury (explosion on wall slam with high damage) + Second Wave has OHKO’d rooms for me in one cast lol
turbid needle
Yeah, it's to make up for how bad Poseidon is the rest of the game and against every boss.
odd quarry
Basically