Tbh I just took the attack cause I wanted Priv Stat 🤷♂️
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning juniper
life affirmation is nice and all, but there are other ways to get max hp. there is only 1 low tolerance. maybe pick up dio special
novel python
Tbh I'm only at 130 hp mid Aspho, that's why I thought about taking that
Since I get no centaur hearts
cunning juniper
that is low, but you got time
gloomy vine
who needs hp when your foes have none right?
cunning juniper
word
novel python
Which chamber was hydra?
I got 3 choices, shop hermes and pom, I wanna take hermes but I'm thinking that shop might have hp since I'm lwo
low*
novel python
41/135
cunning juniper
you need to go shop
turbid needle
Take the health.
turbid needle
Just be hardcore, get the Hydra skip.
cunning juniper
lol
novel python
Praying for it lmao
cunning juniper
@onyx kraken glad you enjoyed the build, how far did you get?
novel python
So as soon as it starts use battie and spam casts
cunning juniper
you need to attack - battie - cast during animation i think
onyx kraken
Build was fine as heck! I died quite early but that was due to my misplay lol!
cunning juniper
oh yeah, tidal is nice too
its a beautiful thing, isn't it? its even better if you can get rupture from Poseidon and jolted from zeus. it makes you able to apply Priv Status with just your normal attack
the only way to apply 2 curses with 1 attack in the game currently
turbid needle
Snow Burst.
cunning juniper
is that the decay one?
cunning juniper
that would make sense
novel python
So you can apply Aphro + Demeter
onyx kraken
Btw, what are your recommendations for other weapons? I would like to hear it
novel python
Have fun throwing people around while zapping and rupturing them
With your special
I'm tipsy ignore me
cunning juniper
yeah, sea storm on chiron bow is awesome
onyx kraken
I sometimes forget that my cast exist, unless I am playing with my bow or I have a boon on my special
cunning juniper
i hate using my cast when im not building for it lol
i usually don't
i'll only pick up a cast if its a prereq for a duo and i cant find the attack/ special early
gloomy vine
I just did a similar thing on chaos shield. poseidon special with zeus duo and a load of supporting boons. Press Y and the whole screen gets rupture and jolted and +50% from mirror
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/675808221872783420/unknown.png well would you look at that
onyx kraken
I loved Dionysos, is there a build where I can utilize his boons?
cunning juniper
@onyx kraken other Duos/ weapons i personally like: Nemesis sword with Artemis/ Aphrodite duo - dash attack build. also works well with chiron bow.
@onyx kraken Dionysus is great for cast builds. pair with zeus or demeter for great effect on Hera bow
novel python
Both.
cunning juniper
if you want to utilize hangover, go Rail
Dionysus on attack, Aphrodite on special or dash
get their duo that lets hangover stack higher
cunning juniper
you can also build chaos shield special with Dionysus, and then aphro on attack
onyx kraken
I finished the game with Hera bow, Dio cast and Artemis attack. Sh*t was insane!
novel python
Alright is there any build that's not that... hard to pull off without having the proper boons that would help me get Vicious Cycle?
cunning juniper
Aphrodite/ artemis works with pretty much any weapon tbh
novel python
I'm sick of trying Ares cast builds and not getting Arte duo to work with it
cunning juniper
yeah, hunting blades is an all or nothing build
novel python
I just need that, Hazard bomb on rail ( which I've avoided like the plague ) and to use all the keepsakes at least once
cunning juniper
i struggled all the way to Styx with just normal Slicing Shot last night, it was hell. finally found hunting blades and artemis legendary in styx and melted hades in seconds
turbid needle
You only need two boons to get Hunting Blades to spawn.
novel python
I know, but I've had entire runs where it didn't spawn at all
cunning juniper
same
turbid needle
Same!
onyx kraken
I usually pass every biome, but then I get stuck at Hades. It feels bad man
turbid needle
That's just funky Duo spawning.
novel python
And it's hard to use Ares cast without that
Since the casts just goes through the enemy once and that's it
cunning juniper
@onyx kraken once you clear Hades once or twice he becomes a lot easier
onyx kraken
I usually die in his second stage
turbid needle
Well, I'm not about to pretend that either Ares or Artemis are weak, so it's not like fishing for those two will leave you with an unstable build like Poseidon will.
cunning juniper
i fought hades like 7 or 8 times before i finally killed him, getting a little closer each time lol
onyx kraken
I won against Hades with bow. Now I am trying to do with other weapons, but I fail miserably
cunning juniper
@turbid needle if you are building for hunting blades and investing a lot into Slicing Shot, then the rest of your build tends to be so-so
novel python
cunning juniper
keep practicing with that Chaos Shield my man, you'll clear hades with it easy
novel python
So Hazard Bomb goes around you right? Is there any way to not seppuku while using it?
turbid needle
Dash out of the circle.
novel python
Oh, it still has the delay
turbid needle
Yes.
novel python
For some reason thought it was instant.
turbid needle
Thankfully, no.
cunning juniper
how much damage does hazard bomb do? been avoiding it
novel python
Alright, I have dark thirst on bow for my 100th run. Not sure if I should tease myself with trying a slicing shot build again.
It'll be an 11 heat run
novel python
Cheers, enjoy
onyx kraken
Enjoy your meal!
unkempt pagoda
@cunning juniper to zag, it's base 2 damage
when i used it with poseidon, it also bounced me around like crazy, so it's likely that it also does the relevant god's effect on zag as well
manic ermine
Hazard bomb does 1% of its damage to zagreus
oblique jasper
Winters harvest from demeter is OP change my mind
(enemy's that are chilled shatter at 10%HP and release a blast of x damage)
tall dove
You can kill region bosses with this, is the main OP thing about it
Including Dad himself
manic ermine
11% more damage, which is similar to pressure points
manic ermine
utk is additive with other boon effects so it is not as potent
oblique jasper
i just escaped with it thats why, i almost died but that boon saved me by killing dad
crystal geyser
if i had to fill the heat gauge to 6 to get the new rewards but then i raise to 11, do i get the rewards of the previous levels?
unkempt pagoda
no, you get them one heat at a time
nothing stops you from doing 11 heat, but you'd still have to kill each boss 5 times over to get all the heat rewards
crystal geyser
ah i see, thanks
unkempt pagoda
👍
tall dove
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341224028867919882/675815202511519754/15.png
MRW someone plays with Underworld Customs turned off
@thorny oracle thank you for bringing this into the world
thorny oracle
WELCOME YHTDGJH
jagged canopy
Is demeter the best special for Guan Spear?
marble ridge
I love how Poseidon is blurried in the background IN FRONT of Zagreus
bold salmon
Flurry Slash and Wave on sword is pretty interesting
Gives you full basic dmg with faster longer hits basically
cunning juniper
never tried that combo, interesting
crystal geyser
is 5 the max lvl a boon can have?
bold salmon
Wanna say ive seen at least 7-8
bold salmon
Yea once something reaches 5 (which is rare unless my whole build revolves around it) i try and do anything else.
cunning juniper
yeah i try to avoid poms once my main damage source is at 5
bright mulch
Just had a great photo finish with World Smasher on Chaos Shield
Hades was hit with the charged melee as he passed through on a lunge
Died along along the way
Was very anime lol
cunning juniper
nice, photo finish due to your hp or time?
bright mulch
No the way he died
cunning juniper
oh gotcha
bright mulch
It's like that classic samurai scene where the two swordsman dash past each other and one falls
bold salmon
So pos dash is terrible with sword if it wasnt obvious 😅
bold salmon
Speaking of samurai really hope the last sword is a Japanese god like Susano
cunning juniper
you mean the type of anime scene when they dash through each other and then one guy sticks his sword back in the hilt while the other guy is suddenly sliced in half
bright mulch
Yeah
cunning juniper
badass
cunning juniper
masamune sword plz
bright mulch
Yeah there's lots of cool choices if they decide to go that way
Masamune, Muramasa, Sasaki Kojiro's Washing Pole, Musashi Dual Sword etc.
They could even do a straight sword like the kusanagi if they wanted to do something out of left field
cunning juniper
dual sword would be insane
i feel like nemesis aspect already has a kinda Japanese vibe to it tho
at least stylistically
bright mulch
Yeah it's crit based and has a single edge
So at least from a mechanical fantasy it's not too far
cunning juniper
that, plus they just did Guan Yu, so i think they'll probably look for inspiration somewhere outside of east asia for the other aspects
bright mulch
Yeah, it might be that EA only gets the one rep and other zones in the world are for the others
Sword Culture is hype though so there's no shortage of options
cunning juniper
true haha
bright mulch
India Talwar, Egyptian Shotel or Kopesh
cunning juniper
i was thinking maybe something like a kopesh or cutlass, some kind of curved sword
hardy ginkgo
nemesis sword is already katana-esque imo
cunning juniper
yeah we were just saying that lol
bright mulch
Sword and Dagger play style would be really cool
hardy ginkgo
yeah with bleed damage or something
cunning juniper
bleed would be interesting
hardy ginkgo
triple backstab damage
bright mulch
Replace the special with a parry
hardy ginkgo
oh yeah a parry too
cunning juniper
they already have a sword for building attack (nemesis) and cast (Poseidon), so a sword with a unique special to build off of would make sense
hardy ginkgo
yeah, im guessing each last form is going to be special like guan yu is
bright mulch
Yeah, there's no parry mechanic yet either though deflect is close
hardy ginkgo
they may save parry for the last infernal arm
lament coral
Deflect is already parry and reflect rolled into one
lament coral
it's just hard to use consistently against melee enemies
lament coral
no, you can deflect anything
hardy ginkgo
interesting ill have to keep practicing
lol that guy in feedback loves the slab level
meanwhile i hate it :p
cunning juniper
ah, the barge of death
cunning juniper
yeah, i don't like it because it takes so long and im always trying to beat my times
hardy ginkgo
i blow up the barrels immediately landing there, too many times ive killed myself in them
yep i like the hermes boon so im always trying to speed through
keepsake i mean
hardy ginkgo
dusa/stomper?
cunning juniper
yeah
hardy ginkgo
idk ive had a lot of bugs with that one too
they need to find some way to fix flying enemies and lava
so many times they will fly and get stuck on pillars back there lol
cunning juniper
lol, i haven't had much trouble with it
but it is early access, so i guess that stuff can happen
hardy ginkgo
yeah it happens to me a lot
asphodel is the buggiest area in my experience because of the lava
elysium is good other than the annoying chariots
styr den just needs to figure out its poison system can be hard to find the antidote somettimes
cunning juniper
i haven't experienced many bugs overall, definitely nothing that affected my run but i guess im lucky because ive seen plenty of weird stuff being reported
cunning juniper
the only issues i have with laval in asphodel are when i knock back an enemy or shoot my cast stones off the level and have to dash through lava to get to them lol
hardy ginkgo
im not crazy about the cast, im trying to get better at using them though
they just shoot so slow
cunning juniper
yeah, i don't use them unless im doing a cast build
its cumbersome trying to fit them into an attack/ special rotation
but they can be gamebreaking if you build for them and get all the boons you need
hardy ginkgo
yeah my most used use for casts now is if i get that demeter bonus
+30% damage if you dont have your casts lol
and then just throw them away in the corner lol
hardy ginkgo
or the cast bow
cunning juniper
it is good to throw one on a boss at the beginning of the fight if you have the mirror upgrade
cunning juniper
i do like Hera bow casting, wish there was more unique ways to fire off a cast like that
hardy ginkgo
yeah it works good for some and...odd for others
be cool if there was a hammer upgrade for the rail to let you do similar
add your cast to the special missle
cunning juniper
that would be interesting and would make Rail cast builds a thing
cunning juniper
it really depends on Hammers to get an identity, that's my issue with it
hardy ginkgo
i just f eel like im not ever doing much damage with it
cunning juniper
its flexible and can be very strong, but sometimes youll get hammers that don't synergize with your build and visa versa
hardy ginkgo
have to juggle the special and shooting and ammo but never doing much
vs sword spear and shield can do a lot of damage really fast
cunning juniper
true, its a lot easier to dish out dps on melee weapons, they don't require certain boons or hammers to do it
that being said, both Eris and Hestia aspects can do a lot of dmg
Zag aspect Rail is trash tho lol
cunning juniper
do you play with a controller or m+kb?
hardy ginkgo
controller
cunning juniper
thought so
hardy ginkgo
maybe they are better with mouse
cunning juniper
i find ranged easier with m+kb and melee easier with controller
hardy crow
Bow does really good damage tho
hardy crow
What aspect are you using
hardy ginkgo
the cast one, chiron iirc
cunning juniper
hera is cast bow
hardy ginkgo
yeah whatever is the cast one
hardy crow
That's hera yeah
But yeah I feel like dps isn't exactly the bows problem
Tbh the low dps weapons are like spear and rail
Like base weapons
hardy ginkgo
bow is strong but have to get good at timing the charge
cunning juniper
comparing just the vanilla aspects, yeah i'd agree
hardy ginkgo
its special is kind of lame though imo the volley
cunning juniper
Chiron aspect bow does a lot of damage with the volley
hardy ginkgo
thats the one where you shoot and they home right
cunning juniper
yeah, they home on the last target you attacked
hardy ginkgo
yeah i could see that
cunning juniper
so if you get artemis crits or Dionysus hangover on it or something, it melts
got my first clear with chiron bow
it depends on getting +4 special arrows hammer tho, otherwise its just decent
hardy ginkgo
got my first clear with the vamp blade
thing melts enemies lol with the right boons
cunning juniper
you mean the sword hammer that reduces your hp and gives life leech?
hardy ginkgo
yep
cunning juniper
that's a fun one for sure
hardy ginkgo
its awesome
cunning juniper
add flurry slash for extra awesome
crystal geyser
https://i.imgur.com/LXEbR1N.png well that's the first bug i've encountered in +40 hours
hardy ginkgo
very bright lol
cunning juniper
damn, hopefully it clears when you change zones
crystal geyser
it looks bright because it crashed after i reported the bug lol
but it was interesting, the text moved with me
crystal geyser
they busted me
cunning juniper
lol, guess im next then
crystal geyser
i read every single other thing, it's just that i'll read the codex in due time 👀
cunning juniper
yeah, i'll read to codex when i stop itching to get on with my next run
or when they add the fish to it
gusty ice
R e a d e v e r y t h i n g
bright mulch
Big Hestia with Triple Rocket Bomb crits
"The Michael Bay" Build
Rip Heart Rend though lol
Been trying for a couple runs now and nothing
Keep getting blue doors on zone 1 rip
main citrus
I like Zeus/Poseidon or Demeter/Dio myself :p
cunning juniper
Zeus/ Poseidon is probably my second fav. Sea Storm is a lot of fun
haven't been a big fan on Demeter tbh. all her Duos are Cast based, mostly for her own Cast which I don't like. her other Duo with Zeus for permanent Jolted is eh. Ice Wine is cool tho
Rare Crop is probably my favorite Demeter boon lol
trail timber
Tippy Shot + Dual Shot + Fully Loaded = Hello Darkness my old friend
https://imgur.com/D5B6Qpt
This reminded me of old Tom and Jerry cartoon where the animators just shrugged and drew a big cloud of smoke with the occasional broken bit of furniture or clothing flying out randomly.
Somewhere in there Zag got shish-kebabed while Hades got hangover.
cunning juniper
my god, imagine if you had the zeus and or demeter duo
pseudo hamlet
I had a run like that with ice wine and it was stupid high damage. One of the fastest kills on Hades I've had
Still need to get Hera bow + that same build
cunning juniper
it's awesome with Hera build. talk about a tactical nuke
also, whats up @pseudo hamlet . saw your fishing guide. im the guy who commented on reddit about the timings
pallid dagger
oog
i finally got all aspects fully upgraded!!!
now i'm just gonna farm titan blood for the future aspects and the new weapon
pseudo hamlet
Awesome @cunning juniper 
Going to do some more guides soon, but trying to get all weapons to 32 heat in hell mode atm
Bow attempts start tonight 
That hera ice wine build would probably do it though
cunning juniper
i have a hard time with cast builds at high heat
at least before i have all the pieces in place
mellow quest
i had a festive fog run where I had flurry cast from Hermes at 60% or so increased speed, a second cast projectile from Artemis + her fully loaded legendary and both the Zeus and Demeter duo boons so it was hitting lightning and freezing enemies in the fog
cunning juniper
i'll keep an eye out for them, though
mellow quest
i lost though because i kept getting hit by things I couldn't even see under all the fog
pallid dagger
rip
mellow quest
yeah
cunning juniper
what weapon did you use for that run lol?
mellow quest
felt bad
pallid dagger
it always sucks to see a superior run go sour
cunning juniper
i feel like you need to use Hera bow so you don't have to fight in the mess lol
formal basin
Is it possible to get Ice Wine and Scintilating feast at the same time?
cunning juniper
yes
formal basin
I must have it.
cunning juniper
id imagine most styx rooms were clear in one volley lol
but the big rooms probably sucked not being able to see poison
mellow quest
and i ended up lowering game volume because of the trillion Zeus bolts going off
the big rooms were the ones that sucked yeah
sack was in the final tunnel
i think i would have won but I got the worst possible Hades summons for that build I think
back to back megagorgons
and you can't destroy those petrifying projectiles like you can with witches
hardy ginkgo
kinda lame when you have to fight Asterius as a miniboss, get 75% down and then have to fight him again and he's only 25% down lol
think you should be able to stomp him fully, and then get a unique version of the floor boss where he's not there but Theseus is boosted up a bit
🤷♂️
trail timber
Inb4 Heracles showing up if that happened.
mellow quest
as if Theseus would swallow his pride and fight alongside Heracles
trail timber
I'd imagine Heracles be like "Quiet, Boy." to Theseus, and Theseus be like "Yessir" in a deflated manner.
cobalt lava
heracles i think is still doing all of his trials
i believe their's 10 if you don't count 2 other trials that he did with no trouble.
pseudo hamlet
Can use artemis special for big crit numbers. Aphrodite's has the biggest flat damage % increase and applies weak. Both are good with rockets. Zues is fun with them as well depending on what else you can pick up
unkempt pagoda
all the special upgrades are great, but i'm a big fan of cluster bomb
imo i wouldn't choose inescapable blast as my first hammer, just as a elysian topping for whatever other hammer you get
hazard bomb is amazing for gods with big +% damage numbers (like poseidon), and the self-damage is miniscule
leaden pine
Chiron aspect Bow, early on in Tartarus, I have the choice of Demeter elite room, Chaos, or Dionysus, what's the choice?
unkempt pagoda
you could go demeter special and try to dig for dio's cast later, to get their duo
leaden pine
I have Demeter Special already,that was first room
unkempt pagoda
or you could do a dio special build, since it'll be easy to max out enemies with poison
then i'd try to go for dio's cast
dio dash or attack as a second choice, for easy privileged status
leaden pine
oh you know what, the Demeter room is Erebus
I don't know that that matters
does elite fight vs regular fight influence what rewards you get from the gods?
mellow quest
yes, you are far more likely to see rare and epic rarity boons from those fights
leaden pine
wow awesome advice @unkempt pagoda I got Ice Wine and I'm not even out of Tartarus yet
unkempt pagoda
👍
jagged canopy
https://prnt.sc/qzlfeg there we go
leaden pine
do Numbing Sensation and High Tolerance work with Ice Wine?
I would assume so but you never know with this game
turbid needle
Numbing Sensation only works with Hangover.
tepid nymph
Hey guys, newbie questions: What's the difference between the rarity and the level of boons? Since Eurydice offers 2 rarity upgrades or 4 level upgrades, I'm guessing rarity is a more significant improvement?
unkempt pagoda
rarity is basically the base power boons have, poms can increase the level of the boon but have diminishing returns
if you increase the rarity of a boon that's been pom-leveled a few times already, you can get a more powerful buff since you're buffing the base power of the boon
i'd take the rarity upgrade if you have a few boons that you're focusing poms on; i'd take the level upgrade if you have a wider set of boons
tepid nymph
I see! Thank u!
unkempt pagoda
👍
obtuse tapir
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653173587485786115/675758777747898389/unknown.png First time going for a serious cast build, didn't really expect it to be this good
bright mulch
Nice
mellow quest
heroic flurry cast whew
sly echo
hot damn, loaded up on those artemis buffs
pallid dagger
how do you people play at like 15 heat and up
i'm running out of "invisible" options that won't make the game drag and get un-fun
jagged canopy
Extreme Measures, Forced Overtime and Tight Deadline are like my go to
after that the one that increses shop prices
depending on the build the blue shields is free heat
sly echo
they give a lot of heat, and extreme measures and forced overtime both start feeling normal after a while
if i'm missing a couple points after that, i usually dump 'em into lasting consequences
hollow sorrel
blue shields always seem like a good idea, until you get to swarms of little chariots, or swarms of little rats
pallid dagger
i've considered the blue shields
depending on the weapon it can be barely noticeable
jagged canopy
yeah
pallid dagger
but going for something like the shield or the bow, it sounds like a pain
mild crag
Shields is good to put on if you're an eris rail player
But single hitting high damage weapons
That makes it a slog
hollow sorrel
I avoid them with Hestia
jagged canopy
Chaos shield doesnt care about the blue shields
mild crag
2 shields is nothing with Zeus or Dio on Eris
hollow sorrel
with the hera bow, does the first hit count as the attack, and the other hits are the cast crystals?
sly echo
correct, the cast will still go through
hollow sorrel
nice
sly echo
you'll lose the actual damage of the attack, though, making going hera bow kinda pointless without hangover attack
turbid needle
What? No, you're still getting the Casts, the reason to use it.
sly echo
i like picking up the +100% to power shot and building attack alongside cast
unkempt pagoda
???
sly echo
getting all that burst damage at once is so choice
unkempt pagoda
the attack still hits like normal, the cast is just shot where the attack hits as well
sly echo
not with shields on, which was what we were talking about
unkempt pagoda
ahhh, my bad
kind cloud
wtf, did the shield of chaos get nerfed?
why is the chaos aspect not firing?
i've checked my keyboard and mouse sensitivity to be sure
nothing changed
bright mulch
Mine definitely fires after bulrush
bright mulch
That's weird sounds like a bug
kind cloud
it just happened again
i noticed it right away in tartarus
but in elysium, where the action is much faster...it's even more pronounced
the chaos aspect is not triggering after the bull rush on about 50% of the times i want it too
bright mulch
Yeah you should f10 that
rare salmon
Ok, I've had Shady fully upgraded for the last 5 runs or so, and I have never once used him. Just can't remember!
I just finished my highest heat run yet, and had maybe the easiest final encounter so far.
I can confirm that Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast is incredible.
And there are countless things that synergize, especially with the Hera bow. It doesn't even feel that hard to force, since the two have Dionysus in common. I highly recommend it if you have a chance to try it 🙂
bright mulch
Cool
rare salmon
The Zeus / Demeter Duo is just gravy if you want to be greedy 😉
naive tusk
Hmm gravy
sacred idol
I- holy crap
That actually is broken as heck
I like how he can beat your ass with the spear wind, lmao
Knew something was fishy about Hades' hitbox on the spin2win
rare salmon
I haven't used the Spear's Spin Attack much. I've pretty much been exclusively Special, except when I get the quick jab and a fun attack.
hollow sorrel
Yeah, I'm actually not sure what is happening. Maybe the attack hits faster than it should, but waits a second before telling you if it hit or not?
bright mulch
Looks like the hitbox is not synced to the animation
kind cloud
it's been 15 freaking runs, the game refuses to give me artemis cast for poseidon sword
wtf is this bullcrap
and yeah, there's something definitely wrong with chaos shield in my game.
i just tested it in a room after clearing opponents.
it's firing about 50% of the time.
weird
also, athena special on chaos shield doesn't impress me
hollow sorrel
like, the shields sometimes don't launch?
hollow sorrel
did you bullrush first?
kind cloud
best i can describe it is it feels stick
yeah
yeah, you have to bullrush to fire the max shields
very strange
hollow sorrel
how many appear?
kind cloud
at first in tartarus i thought maybe i wasn't pressing my mouse hard enough
check mouse button sensitivity, same as always
but elysium, it was pretty freaking clear it wasn't me or the mouse
game just wouldn't trigger chaos aspect after bullrush
and athena special on chaos shield is...not good
ares is still my favorite
but supergiant keeps trying to nerf ares
ares epic now does only 100
used to do 140ish base when gotten on epic
sacred idol
Ares is still strong though
kind cloud
meh
yeah, he is
but that extra damage helped because now it takes 1-2 poms of power to get it to epic level
whereas before poms of power could get it to around 225+
now, i'm maxing out around 175 if i'm lucky
and that makes a difference when combined with artemis crit
pallid dagger
tried scintillating feast + ice win on hera bow a while ago
results were impressive. not game-breaking, but impressive.
rare salmon
@pallid dagger I was on relatively low heat, and stacked several extra effects. It definitely felt good.
gloomy vine
Everyone talking about hera Dionysus builds but I think Ares cast is stronger all-around. Have to get more supporting boons for it to work though.
turbid needle
You need a lot of investment to make Hunting Blades the best build in the game, but it absolutely is.
hardy crow
turbid needle
Oh daaaaang.
hardy crow
God bless Eurydice for upgrading my epic Trippy Shot to heroic
If someone asked "what is the strong thing your build did" it was "all of it"
Spec->Two bursts of dio attack->Flurry cast 3 heroic ice wine casts, applying max stacks of poison, a bunch of chill stacks, jolted, and weakening them
hardy crow
I was originally going just Dio and Aphro because it's more reliable than trying to get Cold Fusion and Ice Wine together but
The RNG was generous
I had 6 altered fates for Styx and got all 4 duo boons there
green sable
ice wine is Dio/aphro?
hardy crow
Dio/Demeter
green sable
thought so
hardy crow
Makes your festive fog do more damage and chill enemies
I'm saying I was just going a low tolerance build
green sable
Scint feast looks like Zeus/Dio
hardy crow
Yeah, Zeus/Dio
Scint, Ice Wine, and Cold Fusion are probably the 3 strongest duo boons to get together
Your cast instantly applies perma-jolted and chill, which also procs privileged status
gloomy vine
It isn't as flashy but you can get similar effect with much less investment with Poseidon/Zeus
For a budget version
naive tusk
I did advise you to use casts with rail 😛
green sable
i AM using casts 🙂
sacred idol
@hardy crow "I love it when a plan comes together", the run
unkempt pagoda
4 reasons why dio cast is the best, the run
green sable
i love dio casts 🙂
sacred idol
🤔 Who the heck would downvote 'stop making currency drops block attacks'?
edgy meadow
Couldn't find it in the history, so does anyone know how Olympian Favor/God's Pride interact with Elite rooms? Does it have no effect? Bump something that would have been a rare/epic up a rarity? Something else?
unkempt pagoda
those mirror upgrades do exactly as they say they do, ups the chances of getting as a rare/epic boon
elite rooms aren't guaranteed to have rare or epic boons in them
dim rapids
huh, got an interesting title
fountain finder award lmao
think i found all the fountain chambers
last nacelle
That just means that you didn't do anything more impressive than finding fountains.
It's an un-title if anything.
lament coral
that's fairly impressive tho
the least impressive title is Disciple of Hermes
since that's just picking all 3 Hermes boons
dim rapids
pretty sure it requires quite a bit of RNG to find fountains
i had perfect clear as well
fountain finder overrode it
last nacelle
I thought Disciple of Hermes was a speed achievement.
dim rapids
nope
it just means you got all 3 hermes boons
which i always get every run lol
most of the time
as always i live by ice wine
thorny tiger
which weapon was this?
unkempt pagoda
clear streak 👀
thorny tiger
yeah also they have all their health and all their death defiance O_O
finite tulip
That's a lot of boons
split fiber
I feel empowered
marble ridge
10 hermes boons
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
kind cloud
f this game's bullcrap rng, darkness after darkness after darkness - f this crap
seriously wtf
jagged shale
okay this might be a dumb question
but what are the "tiers" of the boons and how do you move up the tiers
kind cloud
there's common, rare, epic, and heroic
there's nothing special about heroic other than that one epic boon was exchanged for another
jagged shale
i got that part. i'm just confused on how to get all of a god's boons to complete their section in the prophecy book
kind cloud
oh, that just happens through continual playing and experimentation
lament coral
@jagged shale check the wiki
kind cloud
prophecy books just encourages experimentation
wild ibex
this game is too easy with shield lol
dense locust
Do the god's keepsakes that grant your next boon to be from them, is it once per run or once per biome
wild ibex
kindred path
hello - anyone has any idea why can't I post into #hades-feedback thread?
lament coral
read the pins
wild ibex
I have only lost once since I beat the game for the first time, thanks to the third boss
dim rapids
tried aphro/dio combo on shield of chaos
wild ibex
how do you unlock Guan Yu Aspect?
dim rapids
it's actually pretty good
wild ibex
yeah dia is really really good with shield imo.Probably the best
lament coral
unlock all the other spear aspects, do a run, talk to Achilles
dim rapids
i don't think you need to unlock all other spear aspects
i got guan yu w/o unlocking achilles
lament coral
oh?
dim rapids
from what i remember on the wiki you need to give 32 nectar out or something
sounds stupid but yeah
lament coral
that doesn't make any sense 
sacred idol
@split fiber ROFL all that cheese and it's above 20 minutes. I thought that many boons would do something like 3000 DPS.
lament coral
he probably spent most of the time adding boons
dim rapids
when i started i didn't get guan yu till i gave out quite a bit of nectar as well
because i was hoarding nectar for romance options and important keepsakes
sacred idol
Also, I think GY is unlocked by opening many aspects
dim rapids
define many aspects
wild ibex
hmm
dim rapids
because i only unlocked chaos/chiron/hestia/nemesis/hades aspects i think
wild ibex
I think I gave 30 nectars already
wild ibex
I will unlock some random aspects I guess
wild ibex
okay
sacred idol
@kindred path Supposedly the plume has a timer. It's just hard to see.
dim rapids
but then you're using plume
pseudo hamlet
Plume definitely has a timer, but it is indeed hard to see in the heat of battle
sonic violet
Anyone got advice or an opinion on what aspect is best for Stygius?
lament coral
Poseidon with Artemis cast
kind cloud
yep
it's awesome
i'm fooling around with it at around 16-24 heat and it's so damn good
probably better than shield of chaos imo
lament coral
just don't touch blue shields
kind cloud
blue shields?
lament coral
the blue shields pact
kind cloud
uh...i'm not sure what you're talking about
pseudo hamlet
Crit build is strong and consistent dps but is open to taking lots of hits without certain boons. Poseidon with any cast that lodges bloodstone into the enemy is amazing. Run speed on base sword feels like it should be something else
kind cloud
what is the blue shields pact?
sonic violet
Damage control?
pseudo hamlet
They are talking about Damage Control. it is a pact of punishment that adds up to two overshields (immune to first tick of damage, regardless of amount that hit would have done)
kind cloud
that's why i always try to get ares or dionysus dash to wipe out the blue hearts
and then unload using cast
sonic violet
I've been having a really good spree recently actually, just generally. I'm progressing up my heat by swapping around weapons to the one that gives me the darkness boost, but I'm up in a streak of 11 right now
kind cloud
after a certain point, darkness becomes worthless
kind cloud
yeah, i've got 8 (or 9?) of them
but really, even the fated authority is kind of pointless because now the chthonic keys gives you +1 fated authority
sonic violet
Yeah. I mainly swap around the weapon because I want the variety, but I can never choose. So I let the buff decide for me
turbid needle
They will use darkness in the future
turbid needle
No not reworked
kind cloud
every room that gives me darkness just pisses me off
turbid needle
They have plans to use it in the future
kind cloud
unless i have aphrodite +36% or +42% increase of life, it just annoys
turbid needle
Well, thats for an ongoing run.
But gems or keys are not more valueable during a run
kind cloud
yeah
i was talking about how you get +5 health for darkness now
aphrodite's boon which increases life value adds like +2 or +3.
so darkness give me like +7 or +8
over a run, it adds up to a single heart
but i would much rather have the heart or the pom of power
turbid needle
Sure, but it would be broken if it all adds something useful to the runs
kind cloud
meh, i don't feel bad considering how broken hades' spin and slash is...
i've had 20+ and 30+ heat runs that died at hades
turbid needle
lol you still on about that 😛
kind cloud
i'm still salty
turbid needle
it's really easy to dodge
kind cloud
i can get through theseus and most of temple of styx iwth about 1 or 2 death defiances remaining
and then hades spams his spin attack
i wouldn't mind it if he didn't call up his minions
hades da coward
"Hades is a coward." Change my mind or something like that....
static skiff
So....in this recent run I've had in the boat of asphodel elite encounter, the second wave was just 2 enemies, is that normal?
sacred idol
@turbid needle Wouldn't be broken, nectar is one pom and keys are one fated authority so the other two should be a little better. Not too much because they're more common, but more than current.
turbid needle
True! But like you said, nectar is less common
Keys, gems and darkness are basically in a, you will always get them pool
And you can alter it's fate to get nectar, but once again chance that happends is a bit lower
And 5 life is really good imo for some darkness
It's just that, once you are done with the run, the darkness is basically useless
Key's suffer a worse fate tho imo
sacred idol
Well, no, the thing is - fated authority is loads better than darkness or gems.
5 health affected by heat and GY and Cursed, 20 obols which is almost nothing - zero contest versus one reroll
turbid needle
Fated authority alters luck, during run. Which is good. But the key itself is useless after the run. It's hard to create a good balance between what's worth picking during the run. And what you value / can use after a run is done
lament coral
@static skiff it is without the harder elite fights modifier
sacred idol
they're better than a tiny scrap of gems by far
turbid needle
What can you do with nectar once you befriended everyone?
turbid needle
Yeah b ut let's be real The real problem Hades suffers (Early access) Is that you got everything unlocked.
Gems, Darkness, Blood, Ambrosia
it all comes useless once you are done
sacred idol
If you're at the point where you have EVERY relationship maxed, and EVERY diamond buy done, and EVERY summon maxed, and EVERY aspect unlocked, you're past caring about any resources.
turbid needle
And that's fine. ofcourse everything needs an end
sacred idol
but I mean, that's not what most players are at currently, lmao
I'm not even a quarter of the way through
turbid needle
How many hours have you played Felis?
I am about 60 hours in
And I have nearly all relations maxed except sys
sacred idol
but even then, unless chaos is supercharging my darkness I never find it worthwhile, and gems are just to scrape together change for another Ariadne
sys?
I'm at run, what, 42? 43?
sacred idol
40 steam hours but that's with a fair bit of idle time
but I've been quite unlucky with nectars
turbid needle
I see
sacred idol
I think the main thing is that there's just too high of a chance for Darkness, Gems, and Keys to appear, even later on
specifically for midgame
turbid needle
Is that pom's should spawn a bit more, cause it's effect is not THAT great. Especially since, the higher level your boons get the less effect a pom has
sacred idol
But in quantities that frankly suck for anyone except the newest new players.
Now, honestly
I'd legitimately consider it better if the resources were acquired passively OR made more rewarding per pick
Because 'one room' should be more valuable than 5 gems.
turbid needle
I think we have to wait what Supergiant Games decide to do with Darkness
sacred idol
Even one more pom is overwhelmingly more valuable than 5 gems and 20 obols
earnest compass
looks like it was a ricochet off the wall, didnt know they did that 😟
mild crag
yeah left some feedback that if they should be able to bounce at least show the aoe lol
dim rapids
any good cast builds for poseidon sword?
rancid shore
artemis
dim rapids
WELP
got artemis cast
literally next 2 rooms different gods asked me to replace the cast
naive tusk
They jelly
novel python
How interesting is Arte cast on Hera bow?
I was thinking about picking that instead of the mainstream ones ( dio / aphro )
gloomy scroll
honestly, from when I used to take it, art cast on hera bow was kinda wacky. never really loved the feel, but your mileage may vary. it's probably not bad
naive tusk
There’s a reason Artemis doesn’t get along with her family 😂
static skiff
@static skiff it is without the harder elite fights modifier
@lament coral Yes
sacred idol
@eternal stag buddy, I usually agree with a lot of your feedback... but just today, imma say no to delaying my favorite granny's appearance
Everyone should get to experience the awesomeness of Cool Grandma ASAP
eternal stag
i like her, i just narratively think it's weird
naive tusk
Just to make sure, Alecto’s blades can’t be deflected, right?
eternal stag
it's about the narrative of it felis
naive tusk
I tried deflecting them but I couldn’t
naive tusk
Do you guys think they should be just like the other energy balls they throw at you or nah?
eternal stag
some people rejected his message. (DEMETER SHOULDN'T APPEAR UNTIL YOU BEAT THE GAME)
they hated stephen because he told them the truth.
yeah i think it should be deflected
atomic mist
Do they count as traps currently? Alecto's sawblades I mean
naive tusk
Hm... Well, once game is out of early access, it would mean Zagreus would never meet Demeter until after he succeeds in getting out, which seems a bit odd storywise
I don’t know if they count as traps but they seem more like projectiles
eternal stag
you're assuming that defeating the run for the first time means you'll get out of the underworld
i don't think that's how the final narrative structure of the game will shape up
naive tusk
Well, we don’t know. But if it’s more or less like that, it would be weird
lament coral
I don't see why it'd be necessary to beat the final boss
it's winter, Demeter is winter
eternal stag
it would be, but that ending would already be weird because it'd make obsolete the entire game structure so far
lament coral
ergo, you meet Demeter after meeting winter
eternal stag
which is about dying repeatedly and collecting resources/making relationship progress
it just feels weird to make it to the surface the first time and then immediately meet a new olympian tbh
idk how else to explain it
chrome viper
she never explicitly mentions ||Persephone|| , it's up to the player to make the connection anyways, so I dont think it's that relevant
dim rapids
am i the only one that feels that poseidon sword is basically shred bosses, struggle on everything else
@chrome viper she actually does
chrome viper
In fact I think it makes more sense to meet her before reaching the surface
naive tusk
@dim rapids get zeus special 
naive tusk
Oh
chrome viper
really?
dim rapids
and i was still eating crap because of armored enemies ignoring stun frames in elysum
actually lost a DD
with 250 hp
naive tusk
Gasp!
lament coral
SPOILERED
dim rapids
i find my sword runs end up with me just going for hearts
i literally have 330 hp
just to survive elysum
naive tusk
Thanatos approves
lament coral
@chrome viper it's one of the major revelations
chrome viper
I dont remember Demeter mentioning her honestly lmao
dim rapids
also story spoilers ||she does mention it at one point, and zag even thinks about it to himself, then confronts hades over the next few runs||
lament coral
^
dim rapids
then again i've used demeter boons so many times in my runs
lament coral
you need to get all of the cues from Demeter for that to happen
dim rapids
maybe you just didn't get enough demeter
she talks a lot
old grandmother stories
she nags a lot, and when i mean a lot, i mean A LOT, you probably have to do at least ~20 runs with her maybe
dim rapids
that's just the start lol
it won't come anytime soon
my sword times are pretty fast surprisingly
compared to other weapons
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676067000099012608/unknown.png Oh this is lovely
naive tusk
Yee
dim rapids
from my experience i'm pretty sure that's too far
happened to me quite a lot with true shot as well being wonky
if you cast it too close it decides to yeet itself out
sacred idol
Narratively, I think Demeter being known to you immediately after you personally experience her domain is entirely fine.
sacred idol
no, but I've traded like ten ambrosia for blood
naive tusk
No
Ambrosia is too beautiful to trade 🥰
(But that just might be my love for bottles)
dim rapids
i feel like i have too much of those
naive tusk
It depends on your needs. If you don’t have any use for them, maybe trade 😅
dim rapids
probably will get more eventually
naive tusk
Until there’s a new companion yay
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676070273451294773/unknown.png DD or Dash? 200 hp, 2 DDs
Already have special, was hoping for exposed
sacred idol
what weapon?
dim rapids
i never take DD unless i know i'm gonna eat crap
novel python
Poseidon sword
sacred idol
divine dash is the absolute best one there is
dim rapids
also divine dash literally is best
sacred idol
honestly I'd always pick divine dash and try to trade up the special
trade that into a heroic
novel python
For special it was either that, less damage from traps or something else I can't remember
sacred idol
if the fates are kind, you'll just be able to deadass buy a kiss of styx
novel python
I've already bought one
I was sloppy af in tartarus
Trying to fish for Dual shot or duo
novel python
1 more cast or more cast damage from chaos?
sacred idol
wow, the fact that 2/3 Chaos boons are designed to screw you this run
Chaos be trollin'
dim rapids
i usually take 1 extra cast on poseidon
sacred idol
but seriously, in that case, I would PROBABLY say 1 cast
novel python
I don't know any ability which has multiplicative scaling
sacred idol
that's more than +52%
dim rapids
especially if i have flurry cast
novel python
I mean, not able to collect casts when ALL my damage comes from casting
naive tusk
And if you get exit wounds, even better
sacred idol
yeah
and cast hurts you
on the epic too
get T-posed on by Chaos
at least the third one can't screw your casts in some way, right?
:^)
definitely +1 shot then
novel python
Hammer vs Hermes? I haven't seen hermes at all this run so id rather go with that
But not sure
I want either more dashes or flurry
sacred idol
yeah that sounds right
you did say yourself that you're not relying on the normal swordy bits for your dps
novel python
Got blue flurry
At least there's that
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676074443336056847/unknown.png another hard one, not even sure what I was hoping for since those two are the only ones im missing 😂
I'm tempted to take positive outlook
dim rapids
lmao
had some funny unintended interaction with dad
"do bathe yourself in lava when you get to asphodel"
"OK..."
naive tusk
How do you backstab Skullomats? Or know what’s their behind? Lol
sacred idol
@novel python Which two
also, you don't
but skullomats don't need to be backstabbed, they'll just die.
novel python
@sacred idol attack and call lmao
naive tusk
Ah, oki 😊
dim rapids
what exactly are skullomats
naive tusk
The piles of skulls that keep spawning skulls
novel python
^
sacred idol
I mean, I'd say, just get attack if you need a PrivStat applier
I don't generally consider calls reliable
naive tusk
Sudden realization: the reason Longspears in Elysium have that reach is because they have the Extending Jab upgrade 😂
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676078083391881246/unknown.png NARWHALS NARWHALS SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN
grand patrol
CAUSING A COMMOTION
sacred idol
Holy crap.
Do those only appear on perfects?
I've never seen one, what does it give
I got a perfect in Styx once. It gave me a puffer.
:/
novel python
Yep, on perfects only, and it's different for each biome
I got the puffer too once
I'll check what it gives once I finish
turbid needle
Puffer is common
tidal thorn
https://i.imgur.com/XMA0xb6.jpg
Nothing special but I had fun.
Actually the two duo boons were pretty great.
turbid needle
Sorry, Puffer is common in styx, and a perfect catch doesn't guarantee a rare catch. But it increases the chance
I had many perfect knuckleheads
sacred idol
well, I just suggested a tweak to fishing
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676079905405927424/unknown.png Alright now there's that, I'm still missing 1 DD but I want the exposed too fml
turbid needle
hehe DD beats everything if you can get it
tidal thorn
I'd get Exposed but I'm greedy.
sacred idol
I'd take exposed
sacred idol
the longer you drag out Hades, the harder you can get rekt, on that end
novel python
4*
tidal thorn
DD aint bad then, especially since you can try for a better Exposed.
Blue is prob the only reason I'd pass on it now but kinda a meh reason.
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676081151785566228/unknown.png There we go
Who needs a call when you have 1k crits on arte cast
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676082531409461249/unknown.png Just like I said, I'm sloppy af today
Since I'm tired
Lost another 2 DDs to hades
sacred idol
I always lose 1-2 to Hades but the only things that normally kill me now are Longspears and Theseus, very rarely furies or hydra
novel python
I've been tagged twice by the vases
tidal thorn
IDK there is something about Hades were in like "I guess I'll just take unnecessary damage now"
novel python
Because I'm bad* there you go proxy
I mean I've passed Hades without losing a single DD numerous times
Just not today
My hands are shaking and my eyes are itchy
Guess I'll go nap
tidal thorn
I have yet to, but I only have three clears so we'll get there.
sacred idol
The Big Five-Oh but it's not
sacred idol
Should be the Big Ten-Oh, but then it'd be Warframe
tidal thorn
I just uploaded to imgur and linked it.
novel python
@stable onyx post the photo in another window and copy the link
I usually spam a bot with photos
@sacred idol Haven't played Warframe in a long ass time
Before railjack was added
sacred idol
It's still my primary game
I've been meming about it in here for weeks
Mainly when people get broken builds like crit cluster rocket
novel python
Tbh they've changed a lot of things and I don't really feel like re-forma-ing everything just because of that.
tidal thorn
I play Warframe really hard for two months and then stop. Repeat every three years. lol
sacred idol
"oh, now Zagreus is just a Tenno, huh"
Anyway, to keep it relevant: I'm gonna make cosplayframe of Zagreus (like I did with the Kid) and post it in fanwork
tidal thorn
Neat.
sacred idol
Old school Supergiant fan here gotta represent
stable onyx
tidal thorn
People really blow me away with some of the cosmetic work.
stable onyx
just had the run with some good zeus boons plus athena shield
that shield is too op lol
novel python
Dem legendaries on point @stable onyx :pepega:
sacred idol
@stable onyx Guess that run was Legen... wait for it... dary
Wtf is the Made Friends title
@novel python I'll experiment
To be fair, it is Ember who runs around on fire.
sacred idol
Damn
dim rapids
huh so apparently big five oh is just a title for getting 50 total clears
i thought it was a 50 streak lol
proud storm
dim rapids
finally i got athena legendary
green sable
grats
naive tusk
Athena Legendary is ❤️
sacred idol
What is the calculation for Athena's trap damage boon vs Heightened Security?
naive tusk
That’s a good question... Since both are % based, I’d say it’s 400% - X% (based on rarity of Athena’s boon), but I haven’t tested it yet
(I hate that punishment tbh)
stable onyx
rn i have a run with both on
imma test it in a sec
but i think trap damage boon comes after the %400
naive tusk
Please do 🙂