I mean, how can you distinguish lightning strikes from Lightning Rod and Scintillating Feast?
#h1-builds-and-combat
sacred folio
sacred idol
Welcome to chemistry hell
I want that build
Zeus Dio Demeter... what weapon would synergize best with that kind of crazy fog build?
turbid needle
Hera.
sacred idol
Hera...?
rare salmon
Hero Bow
sacred idol
Figured
rare salmon
If I luck into Zeus this run, I'll let you know 😛
turbid needle
Yes.
dim rapids
so far i always just go for artemis special for big crits on special
force artemis in tartarus
hope for special
turbid needle
Rapid poison stacks, 60% extra damage.
dim rapids
if no special, go for either aid or the arrows
turbid needle
You can do that and poison stacks at the same time.
dim rapids
reason why i don't like forcing dio is because it's not guaranteed you'll get something good
it's either fog or attack
sacred idol
Eris Dio on which slot? Attack?
sacred folio
Either attack or dash
dim rapids
also usually with eris i just spam reload and 1 shot all mobs early
all the way to elysum
sacred idol
I mean Fog can, as established just now, be very good.
dim rapids
fog needs you to force boons usually
i mean the duo combos
which might get out of hand with too many gods
i've had runs where i couldn't find a duo due to bad RNG and the run kinda basically ended up with me running and spamming reload and special
and some fog
formal basin
I just got totally screwed over by a bug :(. In a trial of gods, I chose to exchange an Artemis Attack boon for Aphrodite's because it worked better for my build. I was running Chiron with a Demeter freeze stacking build. Even had the legendary and +4 special arrows, but no good way to apply a second curse.
For the rest of that level, my special did not apply freeze at all. Half my boons were useless and I got rekt.
Already reported.
rare salmon
That's a bummer 😦
@sacred idol What was the build you were talking about before? Aphrodite / Dionysus on Shield?
rare salmon
Aphro Attack, Dio Special, I assume?
I imagine that could work well with Aphro Attack and Ares Special and their Duo?
turbid needle
What makes Chaos Aspect powerful is that it hits multiple times.
Doom is good, but it's best on slower attacks, like your Bull Rush.
dim rapids
wait do people actually charge bull rush full unless with daedelus hammer mods
i usually just let go asap to throw shields
turbid needle
It's nice to get out of a sticky situation.
8 Longspears bearing down on you from one direction? Get to the other side, deal damage along the way, rinse and repeat.
rare salmon
Okay, I just remembered how much it sucks to take the "Attack deals damage" Chaos Boon with the Hero Aspect Bow 😦
dim rapids
only time i take that is if it boosts my special damage
and just have life hard for the next X chambers
naive tusk
Well, you do attack with Hera bow to trigger its effect so it does help a bit 😅
rare salmon
And I can't cast without attacking. So all I can do is my special 😛 And I have no dash.
naive tusk
Good luck in the next 3-4 chambers mate
rare salmon
At least my special has a small upgrade? (Demeter). But after the next two chambers, I'll have +1 Cast. It seemed worth it? I forgot how much I needed my attack 😛
dim rapids
i don't use hera bow lol
rare salmon
Just 2 more @naive tusk !
rare salmon
I love it! It's one of my favorite aspects. Though I haven't tried many others.
dim rapids
thought it was chiron
naive tusk
Try Aphrodite’s cast as well 👍🏼
rare salmon
I kind of cheated this time though. I started a Rail Run, saw Dio boon, gave up, switched to bow 😉
naive tusk
It’s damage is great + Weak yay
rare salmon
Aprho's cast is the short-range spread of arrows? How does it work with Hera?
naive tusk
When you load it, there will be a pink explosion when your basic attack hits the enemy
So it’s converted to a ranged explosion
And it inflicts Weak so that’s a plus
atomic mist
I only had the Aphro cast + Hera combo once before the latest update and it was very meh
Not the worst one (looking at you Ares /I mean Demeter lol) but there are better options
rare salmon
How is Chain Shot with Hera Aspect? Should I avoid it, so I can better position my Fog?
turbid needle
I believe it drops on the first enemy.
rare salmon
@atomic mist Is Ares worse than Demeter? 😆
turbid needle
Chiron is the one that's goofy with Chain Shot.
atomic mist
Oh yeah I forgot
naive tusk
Haven’t tried it out :S
rare salmon
I'm pretty sure Demeter Cast with Hera is actually broken. And I don't mean the good kind. I don't think it works.
I think it drops the cast next to the enemy and fires in a random direction.
atomic mist
It doesn't work at all. I didn't even remember it's a thing
sacred idol
They should just make that boon not spawn on Hera maybe
rare salmon
Oh crap. I have to fight Asterius with no Attack, Cast, or Dash...
naive tusk
Grab him by the horns 
rare salmon
I think I may have to just take some attack damage...
turbid needle
Last I heard it, the Crystal Beam shoots out directly to the right upon dropping, so the angle could be suspect.
rare salmon
Made it without losing a death defiance! Though I am at 4 health now... still, now I have 4 casts? 😛
naive tusk
Yaaaaay
Buy something from Charon (particularly that “ensure an infernal trove appears when possible”, it always gives me healing lol)
dim rapids
do you guys even do troves at high heat?
rare salmon
Haha - I got a fountain chamber two chambers later, so I'm safe now @naive tusk !
I did buy the "Foes can drop food" though
dim rapids
also i must probably be the only M&K player here
turbid needle
Not on 32 Heat, but occasionally on 15 or 20.
naive tusk
I always do Troves because I still need lots of stuff
turbid needle
Yo.
atomic mist
I only do troves if the reward is worth the risk
hybrid frost
@hexed tundra Concerning part of your feedback:
Hades's 2nd phase IS him using a Death's Defiance.
hexed tundra
You sure?
dim rapids
he probably means that he wants to make it look more impactful
naive tusk
On 32, I’d just pass the Troves. It’s not efficient imo
atomic mist
(Gotta spoiler tag the name of the last boss)
hybrid frost
Well, yeah. There's been request to make it more noticable that he is in fact using one.
dim rapids
personally i want him to just say a voice line
naive tusk
I’d spoiler tag the whole sentence 😅
dim rapids
don't need to be a dialogue/cut-scene like the first few times
hybrid frost
Gameplay channel doesn't have the "Spoiler Free" tag.
turbid needle
Nah, we're in Gameplay, it's fine.
Just don't, you know, start loudly talking about story stuff, we just don't need to dance around that Hades is the final boss.
hybrid frost
hades-discussion is the only safe place to be.
naive tusk
Ah 👌🏼
atomic mist
Fair enough 👍
rare salmon
@dim rapids I'm M&K. Why?
naive tusk
M&K?
turbid needle
Mouse and keyboard.
naive tusk
Ooohh
hybrid frost
"I'm Mortal & Kombat!"
dim rapids
just curious
turbid needle
Go to #bot-commands, enter ?rank [KBM/Gamepad]
dim rapids
cause i heard quite a lot of people use and live by controller lol
naive tusk
@hybrid frost that’s what I thought at 1st LMAO
naive tusk
I play some games with controller and others with M&K. It depends on which games
atomic mist
I use gamepad for this game and FGs. KBM for everything else
hybrid frost
The only times I don't do Troves on Heat is if I'm on TD or I've got a Chaos curse making more enemies spawn.
sacred idol
I use gamepad for this. Oddly, I can only play Monster Hunter on KBM.
@hybrid frost You do troves in the small styx rooms?
You absolute madlad
naive tusk
5 Armor Satyrs + 4 armor giant rats in a small claustrophobic toom
sacred idol
Duo, but which one?
dim rapids
@sacred idol i do styx troves lmao because i'm greedy and i want resources
sacred idol
The specific boons matter
dim rapids
epic - rupture
duo - sea storm with poseidon special on shield of chaos
so that's 200 damage
i think duo
but idk if a duo or epic is more rare
sacred idol
Okay, we know you're some kind of monster who can survive 51 wins in a row, of course you do styx troves
atomic mist
I'd take sea storm...?
sacred idol
Duo
hybrid frost
I have to have a room clearing combo to go in for a Styx trove.
sacred idol
@naive tusk 6 armored snakestones in a room with zero cover
naive tusk
Story of my life
hybrid frost
Yeah they show up at the worst times.
atomic mist
Darkness troves are kinda meh too
dim rapids
bouldy is like heaven for me
free heal
darkness which stacks
gold
(that doesn't stack for some reason)
sacred idol
I have no summons
hybrid frost
I should be using Bouldy to get the darkness, but I've built too much of my strats around Than.
sacred idol
I guess I've gotten really far without summons.
turbid needle
Sea Storm Chiron is firing more than one lightning bolt, but it's absolutely not 7.
sacred idol
I wanna use Dusa but I hear her trinket has issues.
hybrid frost
On no Heat, summons are just QoL for me.
atomic mist
You get style points for finishing off Theseus with Than but that's pretty much it lol
hybrid frost
Not needed just nice.
dim rapids
fml why do shield bearers exist
turbid needle
Bouldy and Skelly are pretty key at 32 Heat and above.
dim rapids
@atomic mist until it gets blocked by his shield and you're sad
oblique jasper
oof i just got Demeters legendary "winters harvest" its so nice it insta killed the hydra when at 10% HP
dim rapids
also you're sure sea storm chiron doesn't work with all arrows?
sacred idol
That's early
dim rapids
i had +4 arrows and i swear i felt it was proccing 11 times
sacred idol
I haven't even seen duo boons before hydra in most cases
turbid needle
Using it right now.
oblique jasper
its not duo its legendary
atomic mist
The key is to do it when Theseus is busy channeling god powers @dim rapids
dim rapids
aaaaaaaaaa where's my duo boons
sacred idol
@oblique jasper I know. Duos are usually a tiny bit earlier than legendary in my experience.
oblique jasper
o lol
atomic mist
I agree, I'm team Bouldy all the way
turbid needle
Than should not be blocked by Greatshields or Theseus.
sacred idol
Just saying I never have the really good boons till Elysium
turbid needle
No, I mean currently he isn't supposed to be blocked by them. Is he?
turbid needle
You know, for one of the most popular characters, Than just kinda sucks.
dim rapids
tfw can't find see anything in festive fog
personally i find that than should instakill anything
hybrid frost
Personality wise or keepsake?
dim rapids
except bosses
turbid needle
@hybrid frost Yes.
turbid needle
He gets better as you keep talking to him, but the first 70% of his conversations is "Ugh, look at how much trouble I'm in because of you!" "Than, stop helping me if it's getting you in trouble, I am quite clearly capable of escaping on my own." "No, I have to help you, and I'm gonna keep yelling at you because of it."
green sable
you want 9999 being shown?Thanatos does it
turbid needle
You've got baggage about me leaving? Fine. Stop being a prick about it.
hybrid frost
Yep.
dim rapids
not 9999
turbid needle
Exclusive Access doesn't affect Legendary spawns.
dim rapids
he wouldn't really be that broken though
turbid needle
It just boosts all boons to Epic.
dim rapids
oh what really
oof
lmao
but it was a dio room and the other 2 options were trash anyway
😂
hybrid frost
You're right, not really due to Boss invuln gate.
dim rapids
you can't use than on final anyway
turbid needle
Even worse.
hybrid frost
Yeah, sad.
dim rapids
at most it cheeses half of asterius, the start of thesus (if he even bothers to stay in that AoE lmao)
most of the time he'll run off
hybrid frost
I use it to KILL Theseus.
hybrid frost
I'm not saying it's good.
It's just the one I use.
dim rapids
sacred idol
@dim rapids Why can't it be used on final boss
hybrid frost
Story.
dim rapids
story reasons
atomic mist
Nope
hybrid frost
The only probelm with a story based rogue-like.
atomic mist
Dusa doesn't work either
turbid needle
Nah, it's Than being an even worse tsundere, he knows that Hades has the best chance of beating you and he won't let you go. /s
sacred idol
D:
turbid needle
Meg and Dusa are professionals.
sacred idol
Than is now the chorus from Bohemian Rhapsody
hybrid frost
Rogue-likes are even more about balance than other games.
To have to compromise that for story is unfortunate.
sacred idol
I mean, I think it's cool
atomic mist
I like the way it works now. Makes the most sense anyway
turbid needle
Weren't you just arriving in Elysium like five minutes ago?
hybrid frost
Like I said: Story sense. Not mechanical sense.
But, story is reason number 1 why I'm playing.
dim rapids
when i said elysum i was at thesus
rare salmon
I haven't unlocked Infernal Gates yet... I suppose I should?
turbid needle
Aaaand lasers went straight through cover.
Would have stood a chance if I had had decent DPS, but Poseidon is bad.
dim rapids
is dio's aid even good?
turbid needle
Very.
dim rapids
but doesn't it get overridden by weaker poison stacks
turbid needle
Monster damage, applies a Status Curse.
I'm actually not sure.
I think the highest poison stack takes priority.
turbid needle
Wave Pounding needs fixing or Poseidon does.
turbid needle
It's not always 3 Poms.
naive tusk
Pom pom pom
dim rapids
yeah i know
turbid needle
But they show up way more frequently than I'd like.
dim rapids
just saying though
crap ton of poms
- ares (who didn't even show up at all that run like wtf?)
turbid needle
I hate that more than anything else in this game.
rare salmon
Anyone want to recommend a good Sword build? I've got a couple clears with it. Just want to stick to the weapon that gives me darkness right now 🙂
turbid needle
Play and find out what its strengths are.
naive tusk
That’s what I’m doing, and getting to familiarize with all weapons and enjoying the diversity 😄 @rare salmon
I recommend Demeter’s attack boon on sword or Dionysus’
naive tusk
They stack up pretty quickly (I prefer Demeter because the slow helps both with survival and damage indirectly)
dim rapids
free boost in final boss
rare salmon
I just got that with Cast damage for final boss using Hera Bow 🙂
Love it when that happens.
dim rapids
had a 7 bloodstone run with poseidon sword
hunting blades
all ares/artemis stuff
above
also rip, no duo boons for fog
rare salmon
I only have Zagreus Sword at this point
sacred idol
I think Athena attack has fans
rare salmon
Zagreus Sword, Spear, Shield, Chaos Shield, Eris Rail maxed, and Lvl 1 Hera Bow.
I think I've only tried Athena Attack on Rail.
sacred idol
Definitely a fan of Demeter though
rare salmon
On Sword? I'll try it out 🙂
dim rapids
on basic zag sword i'd honestly either go for a cast build or pray that you get flurry + cursed and just cheese it
rare salmon
Haha, okay. Which cursed are you talking about?
I've got a few wins with Zag Sword - I think mostly with Zeus attack?
sacred idol
Cursed Blade
rare salmon
I was considering something like Demeter Attack, Zeus Dash or Special, and their Duo.
Ohhhh, got it.
sacred idol
It basically acts like rank 1? 2? Guan Yu
dim rapids
flurry slash + cursed slash
rare salmon
I played Cursed Slash once just after the update, and crushed face.
sacred idol
Flurry+cursed and demeter would be good. Zeus special though, no
sacred idol
Sure
turbid needle
Zeus Special is bad on every weapon.
sacred idol
Zeus dash is pretty solid
Ehh. If they fix the multishotting issue, it'd be good on chiron.
And maybe chaos
Zeus on Zeus possibly
turbid needle
Oh, right, Zeus Aspect, forgot about that.
turbid needle
See, with Chiron I don't think they can ever "fix" it because it hits triple digits kinda quickly.
sacred idol
[points to Dio chaos]
dim rapids
zeus aid is good ust as pure dps
sacred idol
After that kind of nuttiness it's hard to say random inconsistencies like that are necessary for balance
turbid needle
Full Zeus Chiron would easily outperform Chaos Aegis with Dionysus.
turbid needle
Lightning Strike with Flurry Slash and Double Edge isn't bad, Zeppman.
sacred idol
Privileged status and the rest is gravy
dim rapids
zeus special doesn't work that way doesn't it
turbid needle
A single Attack?
sacred idol
That's the issue
dim rapids
not 7 bolts
sacred idol
It's an inconsistency with mechanics.
dim rapids
i know this cause i literally only use chiron bow
sacred idol
It should be firing 7, not 1
turbid needle
Thunder Flourish hitting on every arrow of Chiron would be broken.
lament coral
ok, but you could just take World Cleaver and have over +90 damage from any good god boon
dim rapids
i mean you can already do that with sea storm
turbid needle
You can't.
lament coral
over Zeus', what, 10? 13?
turbid needle
It doesn't work.
dim rapids
really?
turbid needle
Yes!
turbid needle
I just lost a run because it doesn't work.
dim rapids
saw a lot of 40 procs
turbid needle
It hits a few times, it doesn't hit with every arrow.
dim rapids
literally the same build from heat 8-11
sacred idol
Zeus works how many times on spread shot rail?
dim rapids
*10
turbid needle
sacred idol
Damn
turbid needle
Use Flurry Fire with Zeus, Spread Fire with Dionysus.
dim rapids
i was assuming it worked lmao
guess i'm back to demeter/artemis special on chiron
or dio although it feels kinda weak now
lament coral
I was actually thinking, wouldn't it have been great if Zeus' damage scaled off your weapon?
dim rapids
i probably need new chiron builds though lmao
any suggestions
first 11 heat run with it
turbid needle
Dionysus is decent on his own, his effectiveness explodes with Low Tolerance and Aphrodite.
lament coral
would've actually made Zeus useful on something other than Attack rail
turbid needle
Artemis Special is my favorite on Chiron.
If you're feeling froggy you can run up and shotgun vanilla bow special and it will get lightning bolts for every arrow that connects.
turbid needle
I meant with non-Chiron, non-marked.
Like, if you get lucky and you just see Epic or Heroic Thunder Flourish on one of the other two Aspects.
Alright, genuinely horrified at everyone who thinks that Styx shouldn't complete your build.
Do you all like getting useless upgrades when they're at their most crucial?
dim rapids
remind me what low tolerance does again
turbid needle
8 Hangover stacks against Weak enemies, up from 5.
rare salmon
@dim rapids First Hammer - do I go Cursed Slash? Other options are Super Nova and Double Edge 🙂 I don't have an attack yet. Just Demeter Special.
turbid needle
...Who is one of the best gods in the game.
dim rapids
personally i never go cursed slash
rare salmon
Haha
turbid needle
Super Nova is great.
sacred idol
F
rare salmon
SOLD on Super Nova. I already love Demeter's Special.
lament coral
she has the best scaling, for no reason whatsoever
dim rapids
demeter/dio is also so good
sacred idol
@turbid needle I'm amazed. You got the guy in feedback who hates like... 85% of all suggestions to agree with something.
turbid needle
Seriously, whoever downvoted my post, defend your stance to me. Explain the benefit of cutting off build development at its most critical moment.
dim rapids
one cast and everything in it dies
that's why i always build demeter/dio
rarely aphro/dio
since there's not much aoe options for chiron
sacred idol
Wait no you didn't
dim rapids
i find that chiron tends to eat crap in styx
sacred idol
That was downvotes
dim rapids
with the lack of aoe
sacred idol
Don't worry, one of those is someone who disagrees with everyone
turbid needle
That's not helping, Felis.
If someone wants to actually defend their point, awesome. But "I'm not naming names!" is not helping.
sacred idol
@turbid needle I didn't say that.
lament coral
the rest of em do nothing
turbid needle
Low Tolerance.
manic ermine
I think people put too much stock in builds
sacred idol
I said exactly what I said and meant exactly what I said
lament coral
but you must get the duo for that to work
sacred idol
I upvoted you, but don't put words in my mouth, lmao
turbid needle
"Don't worry, one of those is someone who disagrees with everyone."
sacred idol
Yeah. I'm just saying, one of them is basically a meme downvote at this point
It's almost even otherwise
lament coral
you're better off getting Demeter/Aphro, without any duos, and just whacking fools with your superior damage
sacred idol
Eh. Duos can be broken as hell
And Low Tol on a Dio stacking aspect or hammer is absolutely broken
lament coral
in my experience, Chiron bow doesn't benefit from Aphro/Dio the way Chaos shield does
sacred idol
Why not?
lament coral
I dunno, the damage just doesn't feel like it's there
sacred idol
Well, Demeter special and the ice blast is probably pretty nice on Chiron.
So that's a good option
lament coral
I've actually never used Demeter special so far
sacred idol
I'm guessing that's because Chiron has less damage per arrow
turbid needle
I have had that, Felis, and it's pretty decent.
sacred idol
Than chaos per shield
So it's just not gonna hit as hard
But it'll still mostly stack dio up in one shot so that's fun
I had a bad run with Artemis special though
turbid needle
Yeah, you switch targets if you use Drunken Flourish on Chiron.
sacred idol
Crit sure, but the base damage was too pathetic
turbid needle
I've choked Hunting Blades runs, it happens.
I regularly see 3 or 4 100+ hits with Deadly Flourish and some Poms.
lament coral
too many IFs for my liking
dim rapids
honestly even without the +4 special
sacred idol
Had not enough poms @turbid needle
dim rapids
it's still decent
sacred idol
And a generally trash run
lament coral
sure, it's better than Zag bow, which requires you to get the bouncing arrow hammer
turbid needle
Nah, I got my 20 Heat clear before that came out.
Twin Shot and either Power and Explosive with Deadly Strike.
eternal stag
i don't know about the bow hammers in terms of power level, but it does seem like bow doesn't have any hammers i'm actively excited about
turbid needle
Explosive Shot?
lament coral
oh, you mean when it gave more than 27% damage with a smaller crit chance?
dim rapids
bow +4 special is god on chiron
eternal stag
there's no cursed slash or serrated edge or cluster bomb equivalent
dim rapids
charged special is also god on chiron
eternal stag
bow +4 special is good, but like i say, nothing really gets me excited
sacred idol
The bad Artemis run was +4 special but I still had awful luck
eternal stag
also i'm a hera main, hahah
turbid needle
See, that's why none of the Hammers are sexy.
dim rapids
unless i get flurry + cursed then it's a free run
sacred idol
Why is Deadly Strike so bad now?
dim rapids
chiron bow
eternal stag
flurry + cursed..........man i want to get that combo so bad
lament coral
@eternal stag equivalent to what? Bow hammers?
sacred idol
Did it get specially nerfed
eternal stag
yeah, there's no bow hammer that's like OOOH THIS IS MY FAVORITE, yknow?
whereas every other weapon has at least one
sacred idol
Twin
lament coral
bouncing attack is definitely a favorite
tidal thorn
Twin shot
lament coral
even on Chiron
dim rapids
aite
eternal stag
bouncing attack is pretty good
i feel like it's less that none of them are powerful
dim rapids
am i the only one
eternal stag
as that none of them are quite as flashy
dim rapids
that keeps getting
lament coral
they're just gimmicky
dim rapids
first room hammers into nectar
tidal thorn
I love first room hammers.
eternal stag
there's also not really a hammer that i feel like really really complements hera bow
turbid needle
There is not.
dim rapids
just curious, anyone here insane enough to run +40% overtime
eternal stag
there perhaps. Should be a hammer that complements hera bow
manic ermine
I do max overtime most of the time
eternal stag
i feel like one hammer/one aspect strong synergy isn't unreasonable, since most other aspects have at least one goody hammer
dim rapids
what about below 20 heat though
lament coral
Bouncing attack could be made to work with Hera
dim rapids
also doesn't max overtime make final boss and some attacks like near undodgeable
lament coral
no, everything is dodgeable
you just have to time your dashes instead of spamming
which most people don't do, evidently
turbid needle
You really really want to take one of Hermes's movement upgrades with maxed Forced Overtime.
eternal stag
bouncing attack isn't bad with hera i guess
it's not like hera makes like, triple shot actively Bad
dim rapids
i'm slightly guilty for spamming dashes lol
turbid needle
I think it goes Rare/Epic Greatest Reflex > Drift Dash > Common Greatest Reflex > Greater Haste.
lament coral
really? you'd take drift over +1 dash?
turbid needle
Yeah.
eternal stag
greatest reflex is a god tier boon
sacred idol
@eternal stag Hammer idea for Hera: homing shot
dim rapids
i hate drift with a passion
lament coral
could you explain the reasoning? Because even +1 dash allows you to spam against Hades' spin and get out unscathed
eternal stag
homing shot + ice wine or hunting blades
sacred idol
Drift dash is good?
turbid needle
Was talking to (I think) Kossetsu a few weeks back and I was expressing frustration with only 3 Dashes on 32 Heat, and they recommended I try Drift Dash.
dim rapids
drift dash doesn't really matter at max overtime imio
you can't run out of it fast enough
lament coral
what are we trying to outrun here?
dim rapids
final boss attacks
turbid needle
Chariots, Asterius, and some of Hades's attacks.
lament coral
sacred idol
Dorifto is more for memes I thought
turbid needle
A few i-frames.
eternal stag
i'd rather take +1 dash if i have athena's dash, that's for sure
but i can see the drift dash argument
turbid needle
But the idea is to get out of Hades's spin radius, which I've absolutely done.
lament coral
that's better than none in my book
rare salmon
Okay, I have 5 dashes... whose Dash do I want?
lament coral
extra dashes are also extra helpful if you get caught in his laser spin
eternal stag
uhhhhh either one that procs a status curse
dim rapids
honestly who needs more dashes
eternal stag
or athena, because you always want athena
lament coral
and extra speed is not
dim rapids
if you time athena dash correctly you can pretty much dodge anything
eternal stag
yeah
athena's mvp
man anyone remember old titan toppler........what a glowup then to now
but yeah if not athena i would go for like, demeter or aphrodite
lament coral
titan toppler?
eternal stag
apply that privileged status
turbid needle
Old name for Divine Dash, made it stick like the old Dash used to.
eternal stag
older version of athena's dash, it had a weird pause after you dashed that threw me off so bad
dim rapids
welp
lament coral
Dio dash is kinda solid now, too
dim rapids
i'm in tartarus with 215hp
lament coral
it applies multiple poison stacks
dim rapids
this is gonna be a fun run
eternal stag
dio's not bad, but weak and chill > poison just slightly
rare salmon
I'm tempted to try to get Poseidon dash with Zeus duo so my dash alone applies Privileged... but that would take a lot of lucky boons 😛
turbid needle
Multiple very weak poison stacks.
eternal stag
oh man, sea storm on a dash is so fun
lament coral
yeah, that's kinda sad
eternal stag
sea storm with supporting boons can be really fun
but you need at least five boons to make it worth while
turbid needle
that's because Poseidon needs a ton of support just to be viable
Lightning Strike is infinitely superior to Tidal Strike + Sea Storm.
rare salmon
I'm entering Elysium, so it seems too late to try to make Sea Storm work.
turbid needle
You're constantly pushing enemies back and away.
And since the Rail requires you to stick and move so much, that's bad.
They get out of your range very quickly, and you can't fire into a crowd and as effectively clear them.
eternal stag
that's true
eternal stag
on what?
dim rapids
isn't rail knockback
eternal stag
demeter's pretty strong, actually
dim rapids
not that much
turbid needle
Demeter and Spread Fire is cool.
dim rapids
i was planning to build aphro/dio for once to test low tolerance
on chiron bow
but game just wants to give me demeter
dim rapids
.......
aaaaaaand it didn't even offer me any options
for chill
asked me to replace trippy shot
stuck bough
any spear builds y'all would recommend?
dim rapids
lmao
lament coral
guess the game got no chill
dim rapids
rip
lament coral
turbid needle
@stuck bough Hades Aspect, Serrated Edge, Deadly Strike.
rare salmon
I have Super Nova and Demeter's Special - do I want Double Nova, or is that silly? Other option is World Splitter with Demeter's Attack.
lament coral
I'd take Splitter over Double any day
turbid needle
Ooh, Double Nova is great with Super.
lament coral
which sword though?
turbid needle
Double Nova is usable even without Super, it's just really hard.
turbid needle
Double Nova.
lament coral
I'd still take the cleaver
dim rapids
am i the only one that hates demeter dash
rare salmon
Shoot. I just did a Trove for 144 Darkness and then forgot to take it.
What the heck?
dim rapids
because of KB&M 8 directional dashes
turbid needle
RIP
dim rapids
it's locked
eternal stag
ripp
turbid needle
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Mistral Dash.
lament coral
that's every dash
eternal stag
i like mistral dash
turbid needle
I wish it spread out in a fan instead of in a line right in front of you.
eternal stag
but then again i also play gamepad
lament coral
wait, does it not spread in a fan?
turbid needle
It's a fairly narrow hitbox that fires straight forward.
eternal stag
it should, but it doesn't really
lament coral
but it shows a fan
turbid needle
Like Crystal Beam versus Crush Shot.
lament coral
like Aphro cast
eternal stag
yeah, it's deceptive
dim rapids
it's ridiculously narrow
lament coral
LIES! DECEPTION!
sacred idol
Could ask for a wider hitbox
turbid needle
Like I said, shorter fan with actual "horizontal" range would be best.
eternal stag
yeah
dim rapids
i actively play worse with mistral dash trying to put privileged status on them
manic ermine
Hypnos doesn't have any special dialogue if dusa kills you
sacred idol
Dusa?
manic ermine
though I don't expect its intended at all
manic ermine
If her shots are still onscreen when she leaves they can damage you
eternal stag
sacred idol
I mean, I want to use Dusa just because Dusa is cute
@manic ermine I'm sure that's a bug. Reminds me of a warframe bug. Projectiles losing faction when the entity that spawned them leaves.
manic ermine
Her summon isn't bad, 55x 70 damage shots, and better for fights with multiple waves
dim rapids
but bouldy best girl
lament coral
she can miss, a lot
dim rapids
yep
i tried using her
she misses quite a bit especially on enemies which love moving
lament coral
ser Bouldrick damages, heals, gives you money AND darkness
lament coral
truly, a boulder after my own heart
sacred idol
If not, there should be
lament coral
they have homing, similar to gorgon's projectiles
manic ermine
They have same homins as the enemy medusas
lament coral
but they can still miss, especially if you have Forced Overtime
sacred idol
Could be made tighter then?
manic ermine
(and also track zagreus sometimes)
sacred idol
Suggest tighter homing, and f10 the issue of tracking and hitting Zag.
lament coral
I wonder if the final companion will be all boss
so we'd have 3 limited, 3 unlimited companions
naive tusk
Tighter
eternal stag
i want it to be all four boss for sure
naive tusk
Seriously though, I like using Fidi more for Dusa’s moral support
eternal stag
awww same
sacred idol
Cute is power!
eternal stag
fidi is adorable
naive tusk
She’s cheering you on with that cute awkward tone of hers
I genuinely squealed when I 1st saw Fidi. It’s too darn cute
sacred idol
I just don't have the ambrosia. I spent so much on blood
hardy ginkgo
Does anyone know if the Daedalus upgrade for the spear that increases range of attack applies to the Guan Yu spin attack?
i got it and it didn't seem like it did
lament coral
it doesn't, it's only for attack
there's a bigger spin hammer that makes the spin bigger and increases its damage
turbid needle
Massive Spin is alright.
hardy ginkgo
ah so that one applies to the guan yu
turbid needle
Massive Spin with Quick Spin is almost always the spear's best Hammer combo.
lament coral
attack and spin attack are different things
lament coral
while attack boons affect both, only specific hammers affect each one
dapper cloak
havent played for a couple of weeks.... When selecting weapons in the courtyard, the shield is MASSIVE! When was this implemented?
sacred idol
Charged and Quick would be a great offense/defense pair.
tidal thorn
Does anyone like the dash strike hammer? As long as you have a good dash then it chews runs up.
lament coral
if I have to pick between Quick and Charge, I always take Quick
sacred idol
Lul
hardy ginkgo
Did they add the Demeter leaf symbo to Eurydice's mid or was it just a coincidence?
lament coral
not sure
hardy ginkgo
i cant remember if it was always there lol
and if that red vine next to it might be a hint of another olympian
lament coral
never really paid much attention to her model, didn't even know she had anything drawn below the torso
she's actually wearing acorns!
hardy ginkgo
yeah she has a really cool design imo
the art style of Hades is awesome
Hades the game but also Hades the character
rare salmon
I keep forgetting that I have a fully upgraded Boldy... haven't used it yet.
lament coral
it just seemed weird that she'd be living in Asphodel
cause you know, she's a tree and it's hell
hardy ginkgo
i think we might learn more as it goes
or maybe we already know why shes there and i havent seen it yet
hardy ginkgo
was that to curse her or unrelated 🤔
lament coral
unrelated
it just seemed weird that she'd be living in a place with lava on all sides, as opposed to some retreat akin to fountains you could commission
the Asphodel one has a cozy, even cool feeling to it
hardy ginkgo
her spot is cool
dim rapids
so i just did another trove room in styx
hardy ginkgo
also just got the hermes dialog option where he asked if i wanted him to stop talking... why are the developers so mean to hermes lol
lament coral
I meant cool as in not surrounded by super heated lava
lament coral
you did a treasure trove in Styx?
dim rapids
i always do treasure troves in styx
sacred idol
@dim rapids That's exactly the thing I was meming about
sacred idol
Haha get rekt. Was it a room with cover tho
dim rapids
but i was mashing E and the cleanser was near the gate
so i cleansed and immediately left
sacred idol
The open rooms are worst
dim rapids
it was the bother room
sacred idol
Snakestones with the tiny open ended room
dim rapids
but i had ice wine + chiron bow so i just ran through everything with broken spearpoint
sacred idol
Not the endroom
lament coral
treasure troves in Styx are awful
too many enemies, the rewards are usually reduced, and they're all armored for some reason
not to mention the lack of space
dim rapids
doing all the rooms in styx paid off
feast + ice wine + dio special + hangover on chiron
oh boy
- cold fusion + zeus aid
rare salmon
Haha - that seems pretty fun.
dim rapids
he literally died to DoT while i was hiding behind a pillar
cunning juniper
hey everyone. stuck at work on Saturday. who wants to talk hades?
onyx kraken
Oh yeah, I am up! I am a newbie at this game though
I only finished it with bow with no heat :/
rare salmon
That's nothing to scoff at. Gotta start somewhere!
dim rapids
chiron bow is probably one of the easier weapons to do at low heat up to 20 arguably
once you get used to it
stone birch
Ive got only rail to do at 32 heat now
cunning juniper
my first clear was with chiron bow
stone birch
i really dislike the rail tho
stone birch
maybe i'll just go for 40 heat and leave the rail :P
cunning juniper
rail is great, but depends a lot on hammers imo
cunning juniper
yeah, though it does have a lot of viable hammer options. sometimes they clash with the boons you've been building and that can be a pain tho
cunning juniper
if you get Rocket Bomb tho you can make it work with pretty much anything
onyx kraken
Guys, I don't know how to explain this but I will give it a try;
Do you feel like you need to stand still in order to perform your special? I wish it was more like fighting games where you can 'override' your special attack while mashing rmb
cunning juniper
on the rail specifically?
onyx kraken
No in all weapons
cunning juniper
i don't really feel it on the sword or the shield, but the others yeah
oh and rocket bomb rail is pretty seamless special too
cunning juniper
that too
onyx kraken
Let's say I clicked rmb 3-5 times rapidly then pressed special. I always feel like special executes after all your attacks are executed
cunning juniper
you can dash cancel pretty much anything
cunning juniper
what do you have bound to rmb?
onyx kraken
Normal attack
onyx kraken
Ok so I tested it in the game, so let me explain it again. Let's say I am mashing both my attack and my special. My attack animation cancels the special. However, I think it should be other way around. (Especially if 4th attack on the sword plays out, your special is extra delayed). But Dash cancel works fine
cunning juniper
are you testing it on a sword?
onyx kraken
yea
cunning juniper
i noticed that the sword special animation gets cancelled by attack, but it still applies boon/ aspect ability as if you had completed special
test with Nemesis aspect or Poseidon aspect on skelly
dapper cloak
hmm... My rant got autodeleted... I don't know which word was censored? Is bot super sensitive?
onyx kraken
Yeah that's the case @cunning juniper
cunning juniper
nice, in that case its actually an advantage
what was the readers digest version of your rant @dapper cloak lol
dapper cloak
Guan Yu is garbage was the gist. I can't stand it. Got savaged by minotaur in one hit even though I picked up 9ish life upgrades.... I will never touch that again.
cunning juniper
ouch, do you have it maxed with titans blood?
onyx kraken
Really? My friend was recommending me Guan Yu
He even said it is the best aspect in the game
dapper cloak
I really dislike it. SAVAGE hp cut and slow attack. Not my style
cunning juniper
i don't love guan yu, i feel like the only thing that's "best" about it is if you get Athena attack and spin-to-win
but it's strong
onyx kraken
Shield may not be the 'best' weapon, but it is def. one of the most versitile ones
dim rapids
you don't need athena
athena is for deflect style maximum safety
which is fun because you can play pong with any mob/boss in the game
cunning juniper
chaos shield is still best weapon imo
onyx kraken
I had Zeus aspect on shield 😛
Zeus aspect is not bad imo, if you have a good boon to pair with it
cunning juniper
ive never tried zeus shield tbh. chaos is too good.
i imagine zeus shield is great with zeus boons lol
@dim rapids have you ever built guan yu for special? i had some good success with that as well
onyx kraken
Demeter's chill applying special + Zeus aspect = beeg pp
dim rapids
guan yu special is decent
usually i just slap a random debuff afflicting one there for easy privileged status
manic ermine
I reckon charged skewer GY is one of the best sets in the game
cunning juniper
@onyx kraken i can see demeter working well, especially if you have the boon that makes an explosion after you stack chill
last nacelle
How is the GY special different?
manic ermine
It does 50 damage in a wave
cunning juniper
big hitbox
last nacelle
Can you still get explosive launcher on it?
manic ermine
no
cunning juniper
i don't think so, but its better than EL out of the box
onyx kraken
GY special is just Zeus Aspect shield but faster lole
cunning juniper
true, its less dmg
manic ermine
In the brief hour or so that there was a charged hammer boon for zeus shield
I was hitting 900s per blitz disc tick
cunning juniper
nice
i just cant get myself to pay attention to blitz disc, takes so much mico managing
hollow sorrel
GY charged attack is much lower maintenance than zeus special. I'm often dashing into my Zeus shield, to pick it up, because it's taking too long to get back to me
cunning juniper
@hollow sorrel agreed
onyx kraken
Thing is, sometimes I retract Zeus shield but don't pick it, I dash between enemies and it mows down enemies behind me
It's like having a 'damage tail'
cunning juniper
@onyx kraken yeah, its cool that it follows you around and does damage. just feels clunky when i can use chaos shield or GY special and put my damage where i want it, when i need it
hollow sorrel
I'm more concerned about places like the 2nd biome, where enemies are jumping around, and can be very spread out, and a "damage tail" does nothing
hollow sorrel
large maps on the 3rd biome can be very spread apart too. But on the murderboat, that Zeus shield gets to putt putt around as much as it wants
cunning juniper
you should! you need to get it to level 3 or 4 for it to really go off, but after that its best weapon in game
imo
onyx kraken
I heard that some gods have a better synergy with some weapons
Do you have a recommendation for shield? Chaos shield to be exact
cunning juniper
chaos shield is one that works with really anything
but
im a fan of Sea Storm build with it (zeus/ Poseidon)
hollow sorrel
I usually try for the Ares special or Aphro special on the chaos shield
cunning juniper
can also be effective with artemis/ Aphrodite dash attack build, using special/ dash to apply priv status
explosive return hammer is big on chaos regardless of build
hollow sorrel
Demeter attack and aphro special makes things more convenient
cunning juniper
i like demeter/ aphro combo too, both go good dmg, easier priv status
but i love me some crits
and duo boons
lol
onyx kraken
And may I ask which keepsake you use for chaos shield?
hollow sorrel
Aphro, Ares, Demeter, and Dio are the most convenient boons for attack/special, because they don't need a second boon to unlock their status ailment
For chaos shield, first two biomes are whatever god keepsakes I'm trying to get, and I've recently switched to Achilles Shield for the last two biomes, even though I think the broken spearpoint is still preferred by more people
cunning juniper
right, easy priv status is convenient, but if you build around a Duo and get priv status, its better. all you have to do is use your dash which you are using anyway
@onyx kraken i start every run with coin purse or chaos egg, and then pick god keepsakes for asphodel/ Elysium based on the boons i grabbed in tartarus, then switch to achilles bracer or acorn for hades
hollow sorrel
That doesn't work well for me though. I usually get no-choiced out of the combo pieces, or I'm forced to purge one of the combo pieces. I feel like the game values combos, and purposely chooses them (and legendary/duo boons) for purging, instead of the generic utility boons
cunning juniper
you must play on pretty high heat to deal with no-choice/ underworld customs
i never pick those unless there are no heat options left
hollow sorrel
32
cunning juniper
that's a different mindset, then
hollow sorrel
When I was on much lower heat, the combos were so easy to get and maintain
hell mode eventually locks you out of low heat though
cunning juniper
yeah, if you're doing like 20+ heat its a different game and you cant rely on duos anymore
in that case, id take the easy priv status for sure
i don't play hellmode, i usually kick it in low-medium heat and try to speedrun
tho i have cleared 32 a couple times. just not fun at that point for me tho
hollow sorrel
high heat can force people to have less boons too. Like, the trial of the gods can take so long on the 3rd biome, that if I have tight deadline, then I need to avoid that room
It feelsbad to reroll a trial of the gods, but some of them are absolutely terrible if you don't have a solid long ranged option
cunning juniper
yeah definitely, i do run Tight Deadline 2 everytime, and have skipped many Trials or went into shops with no money just to save time
hollow sorrel
I'l even jump into Chaos rooms, and sometimes take useless boons, just to make the 3rd biome go faster
cunning juniper
yeah, its pretty much standard practice when speedrunning
the only way youre gonna get a sub 15 minute run is if you take all shops/ chaos you can to skip rooms
hollow sorrel
After I complete the set of five 32-heat runs, I can go back to the mid-heat bounties
cunning juniper
id love to clear 32 with every weapon at least once. maybe one day when im feeling more patient lol
cunning juniper
31 is close enough @trim snow
hollow sorrel
I did Hestia Rail and Chaos shield, and got Guan to the final boss a few times, but sometimes I get smacked by bad satyr sack RNG (I'm always on tight deadline), and don't have enough time for the final boss
trim snow
16 is good enough 
hollow sorrel
The bow is going to be exhausting. Chiron really just doesn't want to do enough damage for 32 heat. I've tried, and found that certain things, like EX hydra spitting out like 12 skeletons at once, cause the chiron bow to struggle
So I'm probably stuck with Hera bow, which is exhausting, because I want to use Aphro cast, but that requires a lot of micromanagement, to prevent the casts from glitching out of bounds, or into deep lava
trim snow
they need to fix the crystals from going out of bounds 😦
lava is one thing, but out of bounds is a huge delay
novel python
Alright, it's my 100th run, what should I do 😂
hollow sorrel
like EX Hydra is A LOT of dashing, because you can't ever hit a hydra head if lava is behind it, in case the cast crystals glitch and fly into deep lava
cunning juniper
@hollow sorrel have you considered a Zag aspect crit build? will need to get lucky boons, but I could see damage coming out quicker/ more consistently than chiron on non-bosses
especially if you get chain shot hammer
hollow sorrel
having to shotgun special on the zag bow seems like a lot of work, since it doesn't stagger, and the move takes so long
cunning juniper
focus on attack, use special for priv status
trim snow
zag is just a 30% damage boost though, hera/chiron allow for way more flexibility with boons
cunning juniper
not really, chiron means you need a good special and hera means you need a good cast
id argue that zag gives you more flexibility, tho slightly less poweful
power shots put out good dmg if you can hit them consistently
trim snow
the point being, if you had the same boons, you get more impact with hera/chiron than zag; zag is literally just 30% damage, less if you get additional crit
eternal stag
kree see if you can get hera aspect ice wine + scintillating feast + cold fusion
cunning juniper
@novel python run 100 should be the same weapon you did you first run with imo
eternal stag
because i want Somebody to test that build and see if it's as wild as i hope
cunning juniper
if you have a level 4 demeter attack boon on bow, and a level 1 aphro special, you'd do better with Zag aspect than Chiron imo, and certainly better than Hera
novel python
@cunning juniper Well I guess everyone did Zag sword first
cunning juniper
@novel python good point, maybe first clear then
turbid needle
Hang on, Aspect on Zagreus on the bow is 10% crit chance on Attack.
cunning juniper
@turbid needle correct
gloomy vine
Anyone else struggle when it comes to switching weapons? Like you'll get a muscle memory from playing the previous weapon so I keep trying to reload my sword when I play it after doing a rail run 😄
cunning juniper
not sure where 30% talk is coming from
turbid needle
fluffOccasionally.
cunning juniper
@gloomy vine happens all the time, specifically with the Rail and reloading lol
novel python
Nevermind looks like I'm in the middle of a Poseidon Aphro cast run here
Which I forgot I had started
cunning juniper
what weapon?
novel python
Poseidon Sword
novel python
I mean, I do want that juicy Life Affirmation but the duo looks good too.
At least to sell when I get the chance
turbid needle
Low Tolerance.
cunning juniper
ah, Dionysus, not Poseidon. that's better
novel python
Nah, it's Aphro cast, dio attack