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#h1-builds-and-combat
smoky oasis
manic ermine
Her aid is not great
smoky oasis
that aid is the most useless
sacred idol
eh, I guess
smoky oasis
i only pick zeus/athena/dio aid
sacred idol
snow burst is so tiny I feel like it won't be that great on my spear though
smoky oasis
else i leave blank
sacred idol
Gah, I keep screwing up and wasting reroll rooms now.
:/
rerolled Zeus into a pom
fatfingering the trigger on my controller sucks
steep dome
Is it just me or the adamant rail is kinda hard to chain kills compared to other weapons?
sacred idol
Depends on which rail.
steep dome
maintaining bullets, reloading and slow special for no real benefit
sacred idol
I mean, zagreus aspect is the worst zag aspect of them all
smoky oasis
dash shoot reload, dash shoot reload
versed tide
rerolling zeus is always the best option
smoky oasis
if u max the 3rd aspect u can 1 shot lots of stuff
sacred idol
Hey, that's not true
steep dome
and it has lower range than the bow
sacred idol
if I'd gotten lightning dash, I would have been on the path to Cold Fusion
But anyone who says Hestia and Eris are bad has absolutely no idea what they're talking about
smoky oasis
I hope there's another end game in the future
cuz you can probably max everything just finishing 20 heats on 1 weapon
mellow quest
most of my 25+ heat wins are with the rail
steep dome
Hestia and eris require some structure in order to work well
you need to strategize around them as cores for them to be useful
mellow quest
i think it's in a pretty good spot overall, it's just that the Zag aspect is pointless and the infinite ammo upgrade is nerfed too hard
steep dome
I actually liked the infinite ammo with zeus, but only for the gameplay, it's not really effective, just fun,.
sacred idol
Why WAS Delta Chamber a thing, anyway?
No one thought Infinity Chamber was OP... or even a particularly strong hammer, except one guy
mellow quest
eris aspect gives you scaling for the entire run, the other one lets you one shot even some Elysium enemies and lends itself better for special builds
blue shields makes eris win out though
sacred idol
Even if you use other attacks to remove shields?
smoky oasis
shield makes high dmg slow attack speed weapon/cast so bad
posseidon cast deal 0 dmg
festie fog too
sacred idol
I thought it was 'resist x number of attacks before taking normal damage'
steep dome
Picking up casts annoys me to the point where I'm avoiding those boon choices on purpose
oblique jasper
which one would you choose? a character that gives you 3 death defiances or the hammer
steep dome
Btw guys, is there a way to remove those hell pits for those who don't like to run with at least 5 heats? 
smoky oasis
literally just spam 8 athena casts on hades
sacred idol
New game if you started on hell mode
smoky oasis
that run feels so great
sacred idol
no choice
mellow quest
festive fog is so weird and awkward
and you can't get boiling blood bonuses off it
it's not even like the glacial beam where the damage makes up for it
hollow sorrel
You could easily build 32 heat points without blue shields though, so Hestia doesn’t necessarily have that problem
sacred idol
ROFL I finally got the run in which Bone Hydra gets nicknamed Lernie. Is that permanent?
mellow quest
yes
smoky oasis
Boner Hydra
sacred idol
Also, someone explain to me what the blue shield mechanic is exactly
steep dome
literally just spam 8 athena casts on hades
@smoky oasis Uploading a vid with 7 poseidon casts
mellow quest
it adds 2 shields that block any type of damage regardless of value
to everything
you have to break them, then armor/health as normal
hollow sorrel
Each blue shield ignores one hit, regardless of how much damage it does
naive tusk
Speaking of Festive Fog, I want to share the build I had this run 😄
Could anyone tell me how?
mellow quest
the worst thing about blue shields are the smol rat bois
sacred idol
Okay, so, you shoot them with two of the mortars and you can Hestia, right
mellow quest
im thinking of dropping from 2 back to 1
steep dome
the worst thing about blue shields are the smol rat bois
@mellow quest +3 dashes and zeus
smoky oasis
@naive tusk post the picture to unused channel first then copy the link
mellow quest
idk why they didn't just let you post screenies here
versed tide
delete zeus 😠
sacred idol
that's nasty
naive tusk
It was beautiful 
smoky oasis
damn
mellow quest
chill festive fog
sacred idol
No Choice continues to be No Fun
mellow quest
wow, i gotta try that
sacred idol
Wait, you had electrifying, chilling, poison-doubling festive fog
don't drink and drugs, kids
mellow quest
Dio what did you put in the wine
steep dome
haha crazy
smoky oasis
zeus, demeter and dio had a 3some
mellow quest
"that's no longer wine, Zagreus my man"
naive tusk
@smoky oasis thanks btw 🙂
mellow quest
what are the conditions for the rooms that take minimum 45 seconds to trigger?
and is there one for Elysium? I cant recall doing one there
naive tusk
I have no idea
hollow sorrel
Minimum 45 seconds?
steep dome
Guys. Is there a good reason to sell boons, besides getting some needed gold towards the end of the run?
I can wholeheartedly say that I almost never use the selling option
Room triggers? o_O
sacred idol
heh, Patroclus' hydralite restored 69 hp. Nice.
naive tusk
That’s the only reason @steep dome
I only sell boons that have been unnecessary in the run so I can have more gold to spend on Charon’s shop
mellow quest
Yeah, the rooms where you're stuck for 45 seconds and enemies constantly spawn in @hollow sorrel
smoky oasis
@steep dome to buy DD most of the time
steep dome
In most cases they are not worth the coin you get for them
naive tusk
It depends. I had a couple of Poseidon’s boons that triggered with knockback but had no knockback attacks so I sold them
mellow quest
And a lot of the duos aren't super relevant in the temple/hades fight
smoky oasis
On low heat, I do sell extra duo/heroic boon to buy diamond/Titan blood in styx
naive tusk
Some Duo boons might not be useful to you anymore so sell them (like Sweet Nectar or Exclusive access)
smoky oasis
Cuz I don't need full power to beat hades
steep dome
It does feel like some boons are absolutely useless in boss fights and the regular fights are not challenging enough to warrant that choice in boons
Chaining attacks should stack on one creature if there's nothing to chain to
hollow sorrel
The 45 second (survival rooms) I think just requires that tight deadline is completely off
steep dome
Now that you mention it, I would love a simple survival mode where you fight continuously wave after wave while getting random boons added 🤤
Skipping the tower climbing cutscene could also be a godsend
smoky oasis
Thats a good idea
sacred idol
Oof. I have one run with no Privileged Status now
I wonder if I can even clear Hades
On another note, is it just me or does Lightning Phalanx kinda suck?
The tracking is kind of poor.
naive tusk
It has a nice sound effect though 
sacred idol
I wish it LITERALLY made Phalanx Shot shoot lightning
Imagine it being a better version of Lightning Rod
LMAO I won with the jankiest build ever
suck it, No Choice
I will never take you again
@mellow quest hue, I beat you to the No Choice win despite being trash at the game :^)
I got lucky. Zag spear, flurry/explosive
mellow quest
I'm currently on doom attack rail
It is very slow
I don't look forward to chewing through Asterius
sacred idol
time for Tight Deadline and some other cheapo 1 heat
sacred idol
Nice. Divine Dash, Heartbreak Flourish, and Frost Strike on GY
spicy rolls with none of the crippling pacts
ooo Extreme Measures Meg is fun
rofl, and I got that frickin' GY bug with Eurydice.
dim rapids
i can't be the only one that feels that aphro's aid is kinda useless
naive tusk
You are not the only one. Many have said that already
sacred idol
naive tusk
That Lightning Phalanx suggestion reminds me of a skill in a moba I play
naive tusk
A character throws a lightning ball that bounces back and forth between her and her enemy
sacred idol
time to hope for the two chamber styx
green sable
i think all the rooms are rng...
sacred idol
Why is it that despite the time being 9 minutes per biome, I have WAY less than 36 minutes to get out on Tight Deadline 1?
lament coral
you don't have way less than 9
it's 9 per biome, 36 total
if you're talking about Elysium, that's an Elysium problem
sacred idol
My timer reads 27 minutes and 2:34 left
Oh wait, the extra time vanishes if not used.
Right.
forgot how fast I blazed through Tartarus
green sable
ya need to do a cast team with dio/demeter
lament coral
well, I finally found all of Demeter's duos
now I just need to get Poseidon's new garbage boon
naive tusk
😦
sacred idol
This was spicy
Hades melted, although he got me once, carelessness
Ice Wine is so good. And charged skewer on GY.
Does GY's throw natively have AOE, or is that just... added by the charge?
lament coral
mhm, welcome to the Charged partaaay
sacred idol
Or does the charge enlarge an AOE
lament coral
it's just the damage
sacred idol
Charged with Hermes' special boon
that's just sick, plus I got a Chaos special buff and Aphro
lament coral
I am the speed
green sable
wow
sacred idol
and the ice wine, which hit for... you can see how much
if I'd gotten the ice blast on Demeter... well
he'd have died even faster, but legendary chill lmao
Only three conditions to go for my bounty of blood.
Customs, Overtime, Damage Control.
naive tusk
Go get ‘em, cupcake 🧁
sacred idol
Gonna try Overtime+DC for Heat 4, then do an easy peasy Customs only, but for now it's bedtime
That or customs and some other trivial stuff on a strong weapon I trust.
naive tusk
Like Zagreus Sword
sacred idol
Heck no!
naive tusk
😂
sacred idol
That thing's unranked because I hate swords.
Nice meme, though
Okay, but which two are least horrible paired up, among those three
Like... on the other hand, I suppose Overtime and Damage Control might hurt when a bunch of fire bombers are leaping around the map
or rats suddenly take three hits
steep dome
Hera bow is so much fun if you happen to have a lot of casts
sacred idol
my padding heat of choice is now Extreme Measures 1. I quite like the Furies fight.
EM 1 is something I'll gladly keep on permanently
naive tusk
Theseus and Asterius look hotter with armor too 😮
gloomy scroll
Just put full EM every run. Live on the edge. Make mistakes
sacred idol
Heh. Not into guys. But one thing's for sure - I am NOT doing Overtime and EM Asterius
Also, I make enough mistakes.
:^)
I get smacked by Asterius' axe on no overtime.
gloomy scroll
Yeah I don’t use overtime because I have so much muscle memory without
naive tusk
I should memorize punishment names 😓
sacred idol
Customs: Sell a boon every region
Overtime: Enemies are faster
Damage Control: One hit soaked up unconditionally per rank, for every enemy
gloomy scroll
I .. mostly remember them
gloomy scroll
I know I used to always play with + trap damage but since ||hades pots|| can one shot me when that’s on now that I use Guan Yu I usually don’t
naive tusk
Customs is very annoying so handle with care
sacred idol
Anyway, I need to take those three in ideally two runs...
Which ones should I take on the SAME run
naive tusk
I’d say take Customs + Damage Control together
sacred idol
Mmm. Yeah, maybe that and EM, Overtime+Damage sounds like vague suicide now that I think about it
naive tusk
Damage Control is just 2 hits at the beginning, nothing major
Overtime lasts the whole combat so consider that
sacred idol
and Customs+Overtime...
well, Customs sucks already, my favorite weapons have the tendency to be gimped against fast moving stuff without the boons on
eh, I'll just play around
it'll be fine, I'll walk out with two? aspects total of blood saved up
calm umbra
how does the heat system work?
sacred folio
See the wiki: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Pact_of_Punishment
calm umbra
just saw the darkness price for fated authority DANG SON
chrome geyser
@calm umbra so basically, pact of punishment is like idols/limiters/titans if you played other SGG. There are few things you can use to make the game more difficult. Each one of these improve the game difficulty; which is summed up and called the current 'heat'. Completing the bosses with a weapon with a new heat level gives you the blood/diamond/ambrosia/blood. Each consecutu time it gives you darkness instead.
And i believe budget cuts its universally not liked? At least everone who voiced their opinion does not like budget cuts so far.
sacred folio
First level of Budget Cuts: Darkness down to 2.5K from 20K, only worth 1 level of Heat
turbid needle
Yeah the steepness makes no sense, you either go for it or not
steep dome
It could work in percentage
hollow sorrel
The heat values for budget cuts is terrible now. Going from infinity to 2,500 is way more than 1 heat worth of inconvenience
Percentage wouldn’t work, because eventually people might have so much darkness, that even something like 50% of their total darkness is more than enough
Whatever the darkness value, for maxing everything except the last three lines, should be 1 heat
steep dome
Only off the invested amount in the mirror, without including the darness sinks like the rerolls
lament coral
but rerolls are part of the mirror
green sable
ya
mighty ermine
i do agree that budget cuts should have a bit more of a granular approach off the top, rather than 1 heat through cutting it down to 2,500 from personal max
lament coral
truth be told, I wish it just didn't exist
mighty ermine
i feel some of that sentiment too, for sure. but part of me also finds it fair for it to be a difficulty modifier in some form. forcing the player to work with a much more bare baseline is a solid premise for something like pact
but then with playstyles evolving around actually using the mirror fully, it can get disappointing to throw it away for 1 heat, especially
unkempt pagoda
i mean, if you can build a playstyle around a maxed mirror, you can build a playstyle around a limited one
it's not like it's mandatory, even on hell mode
hollow sorrel
truth be told, no choice -2 shouldn't be in the game, if the game is allowed to lock you into hammer upgrades that can literally break the whole point of your weapon (e.g. hazard upgrade on the Eris rail)
naive tusk
“Oh, you picked Eris’ Aspect? Well, that’s too bad! Have a Hazard Bomb upgrade”
green sable
explosive....
mighty ermine
the point isn't really that it's impossible to shift to playing around with less mirror, though. just that the heat to effort ratio feels off to many in its current state; other pact options that cost the same amount feel more appropriate
lament coral
is it not the purpose of the mirror to offset the difficulty of the runs?
it's free heat before you've accumulated enough Darkness to fill out most of the mirror, but after?
green sable
i think the higher ups are working on making the mirror better for late game to
naive tusk
They said they have plans for the extra darkness so maybe it has something to do with the Mirror like new upgrades. We’ll see
hollow sorrel
I'm interested to see how that would work. I also wonder what percentage of the players have at least 170,000 darkness (I think it's around that to max the mirror?)
unkempt pagoda
i know that some people have tweaked saves that have maxed mirrors, but there's probably a few people out there who have done it legitimately
naive tusk
I haven’t yet but I’m on it....
green sable
im just trying for a win with the freaking rail lol
naive tusk
@green sable I’m currently doing a run with rail. Not using any rail attack except the cast (due to bad luck, I think)
So maybe you could go for that too. Just scratch the weapon and focus on casting haha
green sable
okie can do
tidal thorn
@hollow sorrel @unkempt pagoda As a new player, I maxed the mirror, except for rerolls, in under 30 hours. I have four rolls right now.
hollow sorrel
The last part of the mirror is the part that takes like 150,000 darkness though
pastel jolt
the thing is, the limit on the mirror has to be that number
tidal thorn
Kinda wanna start a new file and spend my titan blood differently...
pastel jolt
unless they changed up the values lately, it takes 3400 darkness for all non-boon/non-reroll upgrades
8400 if you include the boon-related upgrades
so if you cut it to anything between the two, you're really not 'limiting' the mirror in any noticeable way
unkempt pagoda
when i said maxed mirror, i meant a maxed mirror
pastel jolt
i'd love to know who has had the time to 100% legit grind out 173,400 darkness
unkempt pagoda
the game is pretty addicting tbh
green sable
ive invested 100+ hours so far and ive not gotten anywhere near that
unkempt pagoda
currently on my 7th reroll and the next one takes 30000 darkness... i have ~5000 right now, so that's not happening any time soon
but tbf i've been grinding on gems for house cosmetics instead of darkness recently
lean swift
Is there a way to stop Orpheous from singing?
fading coyote
thats literally the best part of the game though why would you that 😦
mighty ermine
if you've unlocked music for the stand, you can select anything there and he'll stop singing
lean swift
@fading coyote I disagree, his voice has gotten really annoying; I like the chick that feeds, now her voice is amazing, so much so that I downloaded her song outside the game. 🙂
fading coyote
Sad reacts only :(
lean swift
hUGS
green sable
8th try with the rail....flop
gloomy vine
I don't usually post about runs here but just had the most amazing synergistic run. I can't upload the screenshot though, don't think I have permissions. In summary I had both Artemis and Ares legendary boons, the Arti/Ares duo boon, Engulfing vortex heroic, a lvled up epic slicing shot, double shot and all on heras bow. The dps on this run was phonomenal. It killed Theseus in his second stage whilst he was still doing his initial channel after going impervious so effectively skipped the entire second phase of his fight 😄
In final boss fight also had the tempory buff to give an extra cast so had 7 casts giving 14 blade vortexes (15 if you include myself using ares aid). Absolutely hilarious
green sable
on the + side of my run i got another duo boon gotten from Arti/Athena.
grats on that tho fluff
acoustic depot
Did the Stygian blade's special cancel get nerfed? I've seen videos of people doing it, but I can never seem to make it work. The blade just feels incredibly underwhelming to me.
green sable
Alot of stuff does these days
round warren
last rail run for me was a shame, i took 2 special damage chaos boons, which both dealt damage when i special.first one, i somehow survived through using 1 dd, second one was in elysium so i got shrekt by spearheads. i even had triple shot and epic aphro special. Shouldnt have gotten greedy.
clever dock
lean badger
but but I love rail
had the most op build with the hestia aspect recently
my win combo is the crit attack and inescapable blast
hardy crow
First time I've had a proper hunting blades/hera aspect build
Dropping 3 casts into Hades and then a fully charged Artemis Aid kind of two-shot both halves of his phase 2 lmao
wild ibex
green sable
grats
marsh gull
Theres a bug where I cant buy any new Aspects for my weapons anybody know how to report this or fix it??
tidal thorn
They really need to make the spear spin better imo. Am I alone here? Even with the Daed Hammers it wasn't blowing my mind or anything.
turbid stag
@green sable If you're having trouble with the Rail, I suggest Hestia aspect. The extra burst damage from that first shot per manual reload is huge. Either Dio or a high base damage boosting attack boon. Just do the manual reload, shoot a few times, reload again, repeat. Cast if your cast is good. I actually rarely use special unless I get the rocket Hammer upgrade. There's just no place for it my rhythm, I find.
hallow lava
idk whats causing it but hades keeps crashing after selecting save file
only thing i can think of cause was switching from mouse/keyboard to controller on menu or having twitch open on second monitor (saw frames started dropping on twitch)
round warren
@turbid stag Maybe thats the only way you actually deal damage with the normal attack xD
fading finch
hey I can only choose one atm so is it worth it in the long run to go for Aspect of Hades over Zagreus for the spear? 
turbid stag
I mean, I've been able to win pretty consistently with the Rail in Zagreus Aspect, @round warren , I just find the extra burst to be a very welcome addition.
round warren
@turbid stag Maybe I just suck sufficiently enough at the moment. What attack boons do you usually prefer for rail? hangover?
Also, the hardest part about attack build with the rail for me has been having to stand still
turbid stag
Hangover if you're not using Hestia, for sure. Stacking DoT is your best bet. Get the Rocket special from the hammer is possible.
round warren
I try to manouvre but the normal damage is so pathetic
turbid stag
shoot dash shoot dash reload dash shoot
round warren
yeah I got rocket and triple shot once, easiest game of my life
Thanks for the tip, il;l try now, once my hades decides to not show the error that i cant save
turbid stag
but the base damage IS pathetic without Hestia
round warren
yeah i guess
Usually my antivirus makes things difficult for mje
@hallow lava Try disabling your antivirus
fading finch
Aight thanks
oak owl
NOOO
hardy crow
Gdi one attack away from victory and time ran out to kill me
oak owl
thats why I never take the tight deadline heat
hardy crow
It's improved my gameplay more than anything else the game has to offer tbh
oak owl
less nervewracking to just put on the hermes trinket
turbid stag
I'm using it right now for no other purpose than to finish the prophecy for escaping with each modifier from the pact
probably won't use it again, tbh
bold salmon
How exactly does hangover damage work? Like if i hit someone with my basic with hangover, but hit them with my dash that does more hangover damage. does the high dash dmg take over or does it just keep the basic dmg longer?
hardy crow
Idk, this is the first time I've died to time since I did so intentionally
To see what would happen if I ran out of time
Just sitting there eating a snack as Zagreus dies to timer lmao
turbid stag
I'm not REALLY sure how different hangover values stack with each other, but I'd assume they would do each of their normal damage until you stacked more of the higher one passed the cap of 5?
makes sense to me
hollow sorrel
I assumed first in first out
turbid stag
whenever I've had 2 different ones, I've honestly never had time to really look at it. For most builds I end up with, Hangover (along with most statuses) is most useful for the damage buff of having more than one on something at once
acoustic depot
Do 2 stacks of hangover proc privileged status?
turbid stag
no you need 2 different statuses
acoustic depot
Gotcha
hollow sorrel
I think it's only really super noticeable if you have a hangover call and hangover something else, because the lower-damage something else can override the hangover call damage
round warren
So I picked up poseidon aspect of sword thinking that ill go for a special build, got hammer and picked world splitter, thinking ill go attack build instead, ended up getting dash lightning and jolted zeus epic boons immediately after along with 3 extra dashes from hermes. Guess ill only dash then.
I hate that world splitter doesn't affect the dash attack, i mean i know its not supposed to, but it makes it really hard to use properly for me rn atleast
turbid stag
I've pulled some pretty nuts dash builds. If you can get Poseidon's dash and legendary and the pos/zeus duo with jolted you barely need to do anything else
round warren
yeah last i did a dash build i think it was poseidon
turbid stag
and Rupture
turbid stag
Rupture is great
round warren
really good stuff
we'll see how far ig et with this lightning build for now
just about to go into asphodel
I only have those 2 zeus boons,was wondering what boons i should try to go for rn
ok those 2 boons were epic, and now I found eurydice.
green sable
she gives lots of nice food
round warren
yep
stuck bough
any new builds I should try with the spear?
hardy crow
tbh I've never managed to get a functional dash build
It feels like it relies too much on getting the exact right boons, when you could just take boons that have more immediate value
And getting Hermes bonus dashes can feel make or break
bold salmon
Heat level 8 with a level 0 Zag sword is not fun
Oh i misunderstood the ||skelly|| quest
ruby current
how does hestia and delta chamber iteract
hardy crow
I found a fun way to shoot myself in the foot
Whenever I attack or special I lose 4 hp
Time to slowly kill everything with casts
acoustic depot
F
viral dirge
hey if you switch out butterfly for a different keepsake between floors, do you keep the bonus damage you've earned up to then, or do you lose it?
gentle quartz
same as the flume
wicked horizon
@hardy crow i once accidentally did that while using the bow that loads casts into your attack. Had to clear two whole stages using only Athena Dash.
sacred idol
Oof
hardy crow
I value my sanity higher than I value a death defiance or two
oak owl
@ruby current lets you autoreload anyways to proc it
sacred idol
Unrelated, but am I the only one who kills the giant stompy miniboss in Asphodel by luring it into the fireballs?
Taking 1-2 damage per tick just to watch it take 15+ feels worth it, unless trap damage scales burning and you have that heat on
Plume and Butterfly should keep your built up bonus while allowing you to swap...
So people who aren't the absolute best can use them below full potential and still get something.
hardy crow
Achille's Aspect is so goofy sometimes
Athena Raging Rush, deflect the projectile Hades likes to throw -> dump level 5 heroic phalanx shots into him, critting for 2k each
Because of Deadly Reversal
sacred idol
Lmao nice
granite lava
Hey to any Codex Menu users I just published a new version, be sure to check it out
sacred idol
@hardy crow How?
hardy crow
I went fast
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Triple shot weak spec chill + decay high level artemis dash
I basically just baited them into the center and killed all the heads at the same time
Kept privileged status on all of them and just kept dpsing
gloomy vine
I swear I want Artemis in 95% of builds I'm running. She is such a good supporting God
rose geode
this build was just melting everything
i never had an asterius and theseus fight last a minute or less
green sable
that looks like a Zeus/Dio build
sacred idol
Oh. That's... a lot of good boons to have by the end of Asphodel. I'm never that lucky.
My builds only ever come together by late Elysium at best
The Zeus/Dio setup is also nuts
Making Lightning Rod good is a feat in itself
rose geode
i didn't know that lightning rod activates even when festive fog is active. so the electric fog tics + lighting bolts did damage without me doing anything
green sable
is that deep into zeus build?
rose geode
the +30% damage from Demeter is sooo good to just pop the casts so the fog + light strikes do damage while going crazy with your own attacks
green sable
oh
hallow lava
@round warren i dont have anti virus...
south comet
Don't dodge the swear filter, please. 
green sable
Who was swearing?
south comet
I deleted the message, it was sent just a minute before I replied with that.
last nacelle
I didn't even think about how fog delay lets you get the damage bonus.
Most casts are too quick and you can't empty your stones before the first one makes contact.
turbid needle
That's not exactly what they're talking about.
Because Trippy Shot stays stuck in the ground, the damage from Lightning Rod and Scintillating Feast (though I'm suspect that Lightning Rod was working there) will get the boost from Ravenous Will.
turbid needle
Okay, now, I understand this is pretty niche.
But Inescapable Blast and Hazard together are awesome.
Especially with Heartbreak Flourish, so they're doing 450 damage before I add any other modifiers.
hardy crow
Man, 5 casts of Crush Shot + Dual Shot with Flurry Cast does disgusting things
turbid needle
You should add Snow Burst to that combo.
hardy crow
Didn't find it, I wasn't really a cast build
It just kind of happened at the end
I had taken a +1 cast chaos boon because everything else sucked
And then the flurry cast and +1 well of charon came at temple of styx
Mostly I was just running around blasting people with twin shot crits
For approximately all of their health
green sable
crush shot?
turbid needle
Aphro Cast.
gloomy vine
Quick rules question on vengeful mood duo boon - does it put the on hit ability on cooldown when you get an automatic proc? i.e. if you get hit immediately after it automatically procs will it go off again or is the ability on cooldown?
turbid needle
I don't believe the boons are ever on cooldown.
gloomy vine
I could have sworn some of them say they do. I was thinking specifically of Athenas one
turbid needle
Possibly. That might be Broken Spearpoint, which acts very similarly to Holy Shield.
gloomy vine
Not sure what it is but clearly I've got something confused
green sable
Quick casting with fully loaded with Booze Grenades sure is fun
smoky oasis
I have already seen where the story is going
Zag marry Than, Medusa marry Meg. They all live happily ever after
obtuse tapir
gloomy vine
Why boon rng so cruel sometimes. I been trying to get lightning phalanx for 3 runs now. I know there are prerequisites for it, I've got them, I've just been unlucky haha
Just finished a game where I have lvl 7 phalanx shot, 4 zeus boons and 6 athena boons. Never lucky man
I mean the boons were lucky to get the right gods I guess but damn never getting offered the duo
bold salmon
Aphro cast and pos dash dont mix well 😬
dense locust
Maybe I was too new to notice at first, but it seems like boon choice really sticks to the same gods that you chose earlier. I remember using 6 of the reroll boons a the stage before the final boss, and it just cycled through the two dominant boons I had twice.
Does the reroll boon item give higher chance of rolling a god's boon you already own?
And to be specific, it's the room before the final boss that seems to heavily favor giving purchaseable and earnable boons from the gods I am already using
gloomy vine
I haven't seen any official confirmation but I'm 95% sure that all future boons are more likely to be gods you previously picked up for. I don't think it matters if it's a reroll or just found naturally
dense locust
From experience this is definitely true
But before the recent big update this didn't feel as true
So I chose Adamant arrowhead (artemis keepsake) for the second biome. Get a centaur heart for the first room which is fine, but the second room is exclamation mark and hermes.
If I chose hermes room, would the boon turn into artemis?
Or does "the first boon you find" refer to when you find a boon in a shop or something
gloomy vine
Hermes is an exception. It isn't clear but Hermes doesn't count as first god for the keepsake. Arti would still be first god after taking Hermes
It's confusing but the god keepsakes make it so the first time you roll a god boon room it is the god of your keepsake (with the exception of Hermes which is treated differently)
manic ermine
Hermes can override any other god because he gets there first
olive sand
Hello. Is Chaos boons cumulative? I just got 2 "boons have +XX% chance to be rare or better", and I have no idea if it works.
elfin wagon
It is additive, yes
frosty pier
I think all boons are additive
And only mirror upgrades are going after all the boons
olive sand
Thanks!
dense locust
@gloomy vine Thanks, that's what I gathered and it's nice to have it confirmed
olive sand
Can I use a god keepsake a second time after I defeated a boss? For example, can I use Ares Keepsakes after beating the Erinyes to be sure to have an Ares boon soon?
manic ermine
The effect of ensuring a god boon only triggers once
pseudo hamlet
Though I think the +rarity impacts all boons from that god you find while still equipped.
olive sand
Yep, just saw that, thanks. Well, at least I have the rarity bonus.
sacred folio
It is pretty good
It's especially good considering that: you can cancel the wind-down of a dash attack with another dash attack
mellow quest
it's pretty strong but the reduced dash range can be really problematic in the last fight and sometimes in the theseus + asterius fight
sacred idol
@tepid sentinel you misspelled shift, mods might get you for accidentally bypassing swear filter
tepid sentinel
ty
turbid needle
no dodging the swear filter 
mellow quest
heck
tepid sentinel
lool
turbid needle
that is okay to say 
sour heath
Are there any prevelant sites for theory crafting hades builds?
If not, I'm planning on whipping something up would love to not just be scraping fextra every patch
mellow quest
i've poked around for one but I don't think one has been made
timber turret
Ahh cool i didnt use serrated edge anyways
sour heath
Cool cool, I'm going to get started since I've mostly got the scraper in an accesptable position
Still not sure about allthe slots in a buildr besides the middle oif coucfrse
dense locust
With serrated edge i'd also try and focus on tanking up. But 3 dash attacks is insane dps increase if you are using dash attacks a lot
sacred idol
@sour heath please start a thing NOT hosted on fextra, that site is godsawful with its forced captchas
sour heath
I could definitely host it depending on traffic
Pretty small goals for it lbasically the Boon screen that's in the game with the logic it uses and a little more transparency as far as T2/3/Duo0's go
hardy crow
The other advantage of serrated edge is you can heavily build around it
It's decent normally but if you build around it you can do a lot of damage
Something like dio attack and crush shot can be stupid powerful with it
Crush shot -> hangover dash attack hangover dash attack and stack their poison to full instantly with privileged status
sacred idol
What causes Troves to drop Nectar?
mellow quest
pretty sure that's just a random freebie
gloomy scroll
Afaik yes it’s random
hardy crow
Getting nectar before a boon is a real feelsbad
gloomy scroll
Yep
sour heath
I believe it occurs after you renovate the item that says ":Infernal TRovess drop more"
sour heath
:Yeah
mellow quest
when do I get the upgrade that makes me not take a gold trove accidentally when I have a chaos curse blocking gold gain
sour heath
The same level where I stop truck stickign with receiveers inmadden 😦
I've been wanting to try a stripper run when I get better. Like start with Money Cupp and then switch it out for something else and PURGE EVERY BUFF I can
So when I walk into Stygius, they already know I came to spend aa couple bands
mellow quest
i've considered doing that but so much of the damage comes from boons alone
sour heath
Yeah, it'd have to be pretty lucky draws
plus with +150 @ start and b-linging gold / first shop, hopefully you've got an extra daddy hammer
mellow quest
max zag aspect spear special spam would probably be the least miserable way to do it
get the 400% damage vs armor and the 50% dmg +50% crit return hammer upgrades
sour heath
Plus since you're just Blockbuster'ijing it, you only lose 3 at Tart and Aph
?And then Elysium you just yolo
sacred idol
rofl, Low Tolerance Chaos Shield kills Theseus and Asterius in a minute or less
daddy hammer
rofl
sour heath
Equip that birthday suit (for easier dodge) and work the arrows
sacred idol
also no boon runs are possible so purge spam should be
sour heath
More room for Chaos boons
mellow quest
they're definitely possible, just remarkably tedious
also does the run count if you still have boons at the end? 🤔
mellow quest
dad buy my zues bolt pls
sour heath
The whole point is to get that big ass titty heaart that's always 15000
And charon is sideeying you all neiman marcus to get back for all the vases you broke when you had 187 gold
mild crag
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270911855306866689/675691945963683850/unknown.png condensed pain in an image, view at your own risk
pastel jolt
oof
sour heath
Lmao wake up and hit the oj
mellow quest
no choice at max should change the "choose one" text to "take this one" tbh
mild crag
lol
pastel jolt
Choose This One
sour heath
If you find it by the fountain, it's just a quickie IV stand
sacred idol
rofl double sunken treasure in the last room
sour heath
and a sephora on the way out cause space
mild crag
You may choose one (1)
sacred idol
no, just red slash out the "choose"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/675694883939287040/unknown.png Somehow my best run was on Customs and Overtime
mild crag
so i found out if you place skelly after asterius starts charging he just goes for you anyway
i also found out theseus just ignores skelly completely and keeps attacking you
so yeah another fun and fair death there
psa: don't take skelly companion it's bad
sacred idol
how about yeeting that issue over into #hades-feedback
mild crag
im not sure if it's a bug or just unfortunate logic
sacred idol
Well, if it's unfortunate it still needs to be improved.
On another note, 15 blood at last, soon to be 27.
What should I unlock?
I have Zag spear, Guan, and Chaos maxed, with Hestia rank 4.
sour heath
I was having a lot of trouble with that fight @mild crag until I broke down what it was
sacred idol
Achilles, Nemesis, Zeus, Chiron, or Eris?
sacred idol
LUL
sour heath
So i brought the trippy bombs and charlie sheen'd they ass
mild crag
sacred idol
Out of those five, which one would be the most fun...
sacred idol
hmmm. although I already have a rail at rank 4
waiting to be 5'd
I hate sword so that's last, I guess... Achilles is on a bit of an overrepresented weapon in my arsenal...
same with Zeus
mellow quest
nemesis is like sword but interesting and hits hard
sacred idol
so that's a toss-up on chiron or eris
mellow quest
Eris is probably my favorite weapon aspect to play at high heat
sacred idol
@mellow quest Shield aspects are just cheese*
dense locust
Same
dense locust
Eris have been my only 32 heat so Im a bit biased
mellow quest
hestia is interesting until you turn on blue shields
mild crag
veritas speaks the truth
sacred idol
I could just do Chiron now to complete my last Fates heat on 1 heat
I mean, just fire some mortars to take those blues down...
mellow quest
there's a difference between using cheese and moldy cheese though @sacred idol it's not even funny how much better the Zeus aspect is than the other shields
dense locust
Eris is amazing because you can viably have multiple sources of damage
mellow quest
mostly because throwing the shield doesn't stop you from attacking and blocking
sacred idol
what, more than Chaos shield?
mellow quest
and it upgrades to like what, 30 damage per tick
dense locust
yeah
sacred idol
also rofl
mellow quest
just toss the shield
dense locust
The only problem is trying to get the thing to stick on the final boss
sacred idol
Zeus shield: [Beyblade theme intensifies]
dense locust
But it does get up to 600 damage crits pretty easily
and it hits like 5 times a second?
mellow quest
if you get Artemis special on Zeus shield it's all over
dense locust
Which is very easy consiering it's a tier 1 boomn
mellow quest
Theseus Deletus
sacred idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N74cnBa_Bmc literally this
dense locust
Could probably get it room 1
But I found the final boss moves so much that positioning it can become a problem
and if you can't dish out the damage fast enough it gets hard
sacred idol
As funny as that one is, I already have a strong shield...
down to Chiron to have a bow worth using, vs Eris to go back to my old favorite the Rail
eh, either way, I'll max the following one second
Eris rank 4's still good, right?
Is it multiplicative on all other damage?
mellow quest
getting it to 24% or 48% is better than the 12/36 steps
sacred idol
Also, does Eris work on the rocket rail
mellow quest
yes
sacred idol
just need to rocket shotgun in something's face with rocket cluster, huh
mellow quest
blast those fools and get BUFF
sacred idol
rofl
rocket shotgun with Artemis special
that fits neatly into my special category of "Hades, but it's Warframe"
speaking of, when I get the right items, I'm gonna go make a Zagreus cosplay there
already have The Kid
Good Specials for Chiron?
Dio, Athena, Demeter if you have burst?
mellow quest
pretty much any special works on chiron as long as it's not an empty special
turbid needle
zeus and artemis are beast mode too
mellow quest
the worst is probably Poseidon
mellow quest
but it still hits hard
sacred idol
until fixed, rip
but if it's fixed to hit per arrow it'll be nutty
think that's a bug
The good part of Chiron, I suppose, is that it laughs at Damage Control.
mellow quest
yeah, you can always just "blind" special to clear before you get the mark attack
I will say though that chain shot is very awkward on Chiron
because it marks the last target hit
not the first
mellow quest
the one where it bounces the arrow 3 times
on the attack
maybe got the upgrade name wrong
sacred idol
oh
ruby current
still having a hard time on rail build
builds *
most success i had was using the empowered reload
sacred idol
what heat?
mellow quest
i think people using rail that are struggling are underutilizing the special
i fire the special off every 6 shots and during reload for the most part
sacred idol
Yup. On all aspects, the Special is just as strong as, if not stronger than, the primary fire.
gah I hate my oversensitive RT
mellow quest
the hestia aspect is different because you want the empowered shot but you still have plenty of time to get specials off for ambushing spawns and zoning
sacred idol
I keep screwing myself by hitting reroll by accident
eh, Demeter on attack instead of Ares this try, not bad
mellow quest
pretty much the only time you end up not getting the most damage off your special with the zag and eris aspect rail is if you get flurry fire + explosive bolts or the spread fire (5 short range shots)
sacred idol
oh damn, no great duos for attacking
Should I try for Crystal Beam+Crystal Clarity this run?
mellow quest
that's the last duo i need
mellow quest
i have taken crystal beam so many times at common rarity just to try and get it
and have whiffed on the artemis offerings every time
manic ermine
no, you can have both exits show up at once
fresh grove
sour heath
not sure if this is the right channel, but if you've got some tidbits of knowledge to share so i can build this loadout maker as accurately as possible feel free to hit my DMs. i appreciate your time
sacred idol
This run has gone from good to horrible.
Elysium had the worst enemy rolls conceivable, I'm on Last Chance in the Theseus fight due to bloody Longspears...
And my boon rolls suck
Great. Well, screw the crystal cast build. Not doing that again.
The duo makes it track REALLY fast, but it's still underwhelming.
mellow quest
longspears are the worst enemy in the game for me, they take more health than anything else (excluding trap accidents on Heightened Security)
the range of their attack is beyond the physical model of the spear they use
and they have the shortest windup so if you can't stunlock them and they're grouped, better start kiting
sacred idol
well, I lost, so time to redo that run
Half of it was my controller screwing up and wasting Fated Authorities on good rooms constantly
oblique jasper
what does a keyhole on a heart of one of the characters mean? (the hearts when you give someone nectar)
atomic mist
It means you need to do something (usually just wait and talk to them more) before you can gift them more nectar
oblique jasper
oh i hoped it would unlock one of the locked keepsakes
atomic mist
Eventually it does
oblique jasper
oh 🙂 is that a spoiler XD
sacred idol
[plays Hawaii Five-O theme]
lament coral
do you need DDs? Do you need healing? Is attack your primary source of DPS? If the answer to all of these is a no, then it's an easy trial.
sacred idol
Well, on a chiron run... I ended up going for the trial
wide vessel
anyone know if the +attack% option at patroclus (elysium) affects all damage or just attack?
dim rapids
not sure how this happened, but apparently if you quit and reload your file when you just finish a run, the broker's daily special can sometimes change. not guaranteed but happened to me once. can someone help verify if this happens or is just a one time rare bug occurence?
smoky oasis
will everything be reset after early access?
Feels like the people who unlocked everything will get bored
sacred idol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/675724740689657862/unknown.png oof, this was a janky run
boons in all the wrong places
rancid shore
That'd be really good with the sword
sacred idol
yeah, but this is chiron
rancid shore
still did good not to lose more than one DD
dim rapids
aphro is one of the easier gods to anger
naive tusk
You meanie
sacred idol
yeah, just saying, I have to wait for the hammer to reappear
Worth it. Triple bomb inescapable Eris
turbid needle
Oh yeah.
I got Inescapable Blast and Hazard last night on Hestia.
If I had taken anything but Tidal Strike it would have been a new record clear for me.
sacred idol
I'm on Ares attack/Aphro special
dim rapids
rip my perfect clear title
got hit carelessly once due to not being able to see anything under all the blade rifts lmao
all ares blade rift talents + duos + ares/artemis legendary + poseidon blade = shredded in <20s
sacred idol
Holy crap, blade rift being good
Also what in the heck is with that 51 clear chain?
Did you restart to get a perfect streak or just never lost?
dim rapids
never lost but i'm not going for absurd 32 heat runs out of the blue lol
turbid needle
If you ever Give Up on a run the streak breaks.
dim rapids
just slowly going through bounties one by one
rotating through each bonus weapon of the day/run
for the 20% bonus with darkness
turbid needle
This is really really impressive, though I'm curious if you can keep it all the way to 20 Heat.
sacred idol
tfw
dim rapids
i doubt it
sacred idol
I haven't gotten a streak above 5
dim rapids
i posted a run a while back on adamant rail
where i got by with literally 1 hp
and no DD
not sure if you remember
i'm probably gonna choke on a run with sword/rail
sacred idol
Wait, did you beat the first run?
turbid needle
But they're both so good.
dim rapids
nope
sacred idol
Huh. Which one was your first clear
dim rapids
first 10 runs were mainly focused on gaining darkness
my 11th was my first clear i think
sacred idol
I didn't win till 18 or something
dim rapids
i reached final boss at the 5th or 6th run
sacred idol
And I'm now at 41 with not a fantastic win record.
sacred idol
I'm bad AND unlucky.
dim rapids
then on 11th run i just said screw it
play absolute safety with shield
wait are you running no choice or underworld customs or budget cuts
sacred idol
Lmao. I can't imagine physically having that kind of dexterity.
No
Just the cruelty of the fates
turbid needle
turbid needle
Basically, you want something like this with Nemesis Aspect or literally any of the million Poseidon Aspect speedruns.
turbid needle
I've been no-lifing this game for 10 months. I should get out more.
sacred idol
Really?
turbid needle
That was just available.
dim rapids
for nemesis aspect i go full crit build lmao
turbid needle
But hey, any time I get a backstab it was an additional 60 damage per Double Edge hit.
dim rapids
crit on attack
sacred idol
I have sod all idea what else is on that, btw
dim rapids
- special crit
turbid needle
180 or more on a crit.
dim rapids
yolo
turbid needle
Swift Flourish, Heart Rend.
And Deadly Reversal.
I didn't get Empty Inside, though.
Honestly, for Nemesis, I'd say Shadow Slash is just what this build needs.
dim rapids
i'm probably the only one that thinks aphro is weak af?
i never specifically build for her unless i have a good duo
turbid needle
Yes, she is tied for strongest God in the game.
naive cobalt
With the new change to Passion Dash, I like her more than I have in awhile
turbid needle
I normally run this build with Heartbreak Strike.
turbid needle
Aid is niche.
dim rapids
short range
only useful thing i've thought of is going charm
on chiron bow
i see no point in going aphro when demeter exists and is infinitely better with all the dot and duos
naive cobalt
She gets easy curse affliction, has very high damage on attack / special, and synergizes well with just about every Olympian. Plus she has lots of great defensive options.
turbid needle
She has the best percentage modifiers (does the most consistent damage) and Weak is one of the best Status Curses.
turbid needle
It helps that everything except her Aid natively applies it.
turbid needle
Congratulations on being better than the average player.
naive cobalt
Weak can last for like 12 seconds with one of her boons, making it a very reliable catalyst for privileged status bonus.
turbid needle
More, with Pom levels.
dim rapids
i tried aphro a few times when i was aiming to complete fated list for duos
turbid needle
(not that you ever should specifically invest into it)
naive cobalt
The damage resistance weak gives you doesn't matter much, but getting very easy status afflictions on enemies is super nice.
sacred folio
Weak is available on 4 active slots, easy to work toward maintaining privileged statuses
dim rapids
but i always felt that demeter is a better version of aphro
turbid needle
They do different things.
sacred folio
And it doesn't need a tier 2 boon to be available
dim rapids
40% slowdown at max, potentially shatter at 10%, 10 stacks combo with chiron
naive cobalt
Demeter is better offensively, but Aphrodite can slide into just about any build, and tremendously enhance Artemis and Dionysus.
dim rapids
ice wine, cold fusion
rare salmon
Ok, I just finished Tartarus. I have the Hera Aspect Bow, Dionysus Cast, and Demeter/Dionysus Duo boon... I don't know what else to go for. Athena Dash? Dio Call?
turbid needle
Keep playing, experiment.
rare salmon
I'm trying to decide which keepsake to switch to right now 🙂
lament coral
Chill lasts for 8 seconds vs weak's 3
lament coral
in what world is Aphro dash better?
sacred folio
@rare salmon it's always a good idea to look for Artemis' for cast build IMO
rare salmon
For her Dash, or just for Crit in general @sacred folio ?
sacred folio
For her cast enhancing boons
turbid needle
Artemis has multiple boons that buff Casts.
Her Legendary gives you 3 extra Bloodstones.
rare salmon
Ohhhh, okay 🙂
You have to get 1, 2, 3 to get the Legendary, right? So I need her Dash or Call?
turbid needle
If you really want to know, all the prereqs should be on the Hades wiki.
sacred folio
I don't think the tiered requirement system is still at work. But I'm not quite sure
turbid needle
But really, I recommend you grind the game out yourself, try to make logical leaps. There's only a few things in this game that require prior knowledge to pursue.
It is.
lament coral
it is at work
dim rapids
honestly ever since i got used to playing pong with athena dash
i rarely take other options unless it's to force a duo/legendary boon
turbid needle
Still can't get Vicious Cycle without Black Metal or Engulfing Vortex, can't get either of those without Slicing Shot or Ares's Aid.
Divine Dash is the best Dash in the game.
sacred idol
@dim rapids Weak isn't for defense, it's for one of the easiest and potentially absurdly longest Privileged stacks in the game. Plus her legendary is nutty. Demeter is... less raw damage, more lethal synergies.
dim rapids
you can't get vicious cycle w/ blade dash?
turbid needle
The go-to 32 Heat build is Aspect of Chaos with Drunken Flourish.
You can, I forgot about it.
rare salmon
I think the Wiki needs an update. It still says one of the Legendary requirements is Quick Reload.
turbid needle
It's bad. It's real bad, I never take it unless I'm on low Heat and I just don't care.
dim rapids
you can force blade dash if you really want the legendary
quick reload is a hermes thing
i forced it last time just for fated list lol
rare salmon
Oh, does it actually mean that I need Hermes' Quick Reload?
sacred idol
Aphro dash is lame only because it's tiny.
lament coral
nothing
dim rapids
@sacred idol i mean weak lasts 3s without any +duration boons, chill is 8s
chill is naturally 8s without requiring another boon
sacred folio
I did a few edits on the wiki occasionally but I'm too lazy to comb through every single page for outdated info
thorny edge
aphro's dash area is smaller than its visual effect
lament coral
Dem dash also has a bigger frontal AOE, making it easier to mark enemies
turbid needle
They cut out all of Hermes's slowing boons since Demeter does that and moved Quick Reload to Hermes.
sacred idol
Also Aphrodite has duos that SPECIFICALLY work well with, say, Dionysus
turbid needle
I still can't tell if Mistral Dash is working consistently.
sacred idol
Can I just say that Low Tolerance is ludicrously good?
rare salmon
Man, I hate it when the first room of Elysium has a Hammer and a Hermes Boon and a Chaos Gate. Whhhyyyy?
lament coral
Dash works fine, it's just that its trail doesn't chill despite lingering after you dash
thorny edge
mistral ddash doesnt chill enemies most off the time its weird
dim rapids
@turbid needle wait just curious why is that the go to 32 heat build?
turbid needle
Because it's very good.
rare salmon
If I go Chaos Gate instead of Hammer when it's first offered in Elysium, will I be offered the Hammer again?
sacred idol
It's the classic cheese setup
turbid needle
What Felis said.
I recommend you take Passion Dash and Curse of Agony instead of Heartbreak Strike, though.
sacred folio
Chaos shield is like, full map auto-tracking shotgun without having to aim
lament coral
@rare salmon you might be offered the hammer again, yes. Plus, you might even see the hammer in Styx.
rare salmon
@lament coral Thanks - it's not critical to my build, so I think I'll do it shrug
turbid needle
Yes, but the extra damage from boosted Dooms really helps getting through Elysium in 7 minutes if you don't get Than to spawn there.
lament coral
I usually skip hammers if I play Chaos shield
sacred idol
If it were maybe 50% bigger it would be a great dash
If you're lucky and get Ares at all though
turbid needle
I'm okay with tighter radius balancing how strong its effects are.
It took me a few tries to get this build.
lament coral
considering how busted Athena dash is, I think it's more than fair that other dashes should cover greater area
turbid needle
I got my 32 Heat clear with that set-up.
lament coral
he sucks as a god, but the dash is a solid trash pusher
dim rapids
interesting
i might go for that when i do 32 heat then
poseidon sucks?
personally i'm having fun with poseidon special on chiron
sacred idol
Worst god for bosses
dim rapids
with zeus duo
chilly gust
i love poseidon, maybe i'm terrible
dim rapids
and demeter duo cast
sacred idol
But he's near top for add clear.
dim rapids
zeus/poseidon/demeter
sacred idol
The problem is that the story mode requires meaty boss damage.
lament coral
could you explain that synergy to me? Because each arrow pushes the enemy back, meaning it prevents other arrows from reaching the target
turbid needle
Low damage, knockback is cute for beating up trash but does nothing against bosses (and Wave Pounding is a joke).
turbid needle
With Chiron the arrows seek.
green sable
maybe the higher ups will do something about it
dim rapids
each individual arrow does work though
lament coral
Chrion special still has limited range
dim rapids
with zeus duo
turbid needle
If Wave Pounding were multiplicative it would be good.
dim rapids
so that's 40x7
turbid needle
No it doesn't.
Mark and enemy and run away across the stage and it will pursue them super far.
rare salmon
I've found the one exception @sacred idol to be when you get the Poseidon/Zeus Duo, fully powering up both effects. Rupture, Jolted, Double Knockback and Double LIghtning Bolts.
dim rapids
double knockback sucks because it only happens once
rare salmon
Put it on something you can spam quickly, and it can do crazy damage. I like it on the Spear Special.
dim rapids
but if you have it, free 40 damage with zeus duo i guess lol
rare salmon
^ 🙂
sacred idol
Oh yeah. That is nasty
dim rapids
past few of my chiron runs were all poseidon special
building with demeter/zeus
all worked well
rare salmon
Which one is Chiron? Is that the Bow aspect that all specials hit your last target?
dim rapids
yep
turbid needle
That's a very specific set-up that works around knockback, which I think is the worst God effect.
rare salmon
I love Knockback... Love Poseidon's Cast, love his Dash... but I literally always try to pair it with Zeus.
turbid needle
It's pretty mediocre, Jellie.
sacred idol
If you can make Zagreus Rail win, Knockback still has a horse in the race
dim rapids
lightning rod is pretty trash
atomic mist
I liked Poseidon/Demeter
rare salmon
Bummer @turbid needle - that's what I assumed 😦
sacred idol
Lightning Rod has one use, apparently.
It procs during Festive Fog shots.
Which is sick
rare salmon
Oh man, really?
turbid needle
Does it, though? Scintillating Feast hits super fast.
sacred idol
Someone got lucky and had some unholy setup with Ice Wine and Lightning Rod and Scintillating, or something
turbid needle
I wanna see Lightning Rod and Trippy Shot by themselves.
dim rapids
or sword build really
lol
i had ice wine + sciintillanting feast
no lightning rod though
sacred idol
Although now I can't remember what the exact combo was
rare salmon
I forgot about the Zeus / Dionysus Duo! I already have the Demeter / Dio Duo - can I grab the Zeus, too?
sacred idol
If it's not working then, then Lightning Rod sucks
turbid needle
For the Rail, use either Hestia and Aphrodite or Artemis, or Eris and Zeus or Dionysus.
rare salmon
It's too late now, as I'm in Elysium. Just curious 🙂
sacred folio
I highly doubt that "lightning rod works with trippy shot" is just something confused with Scintillating Feast
sacred idol
Scintillating+Wine is nasty though.
The triple duo wombo combo is that and Cold Fusion.
dim rapids
genuinely curious, with that much playtime, do you have full mirror of night upgrades?
sacred idol
Chill, jolted, festive fog